Manchester United Banter Archive July 27 2013

 

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27 Jul 2013 22:36:36
Here's a couple of questions for all those who doubt the ability of Yohan Cabaye.

If the options were sign Cabaye or sign no one which would you choose?

And secondly who is available who is more suited than Cabaye? And I want you to consider all the factors here such as price, wages, availablity, playing style and ability, and there ability to be a success in the Premier league.

Awaiting your responses (especially you Nomidfield). {Ed004's Note - Cabaye but I would rather Modric, Fabregas, Marchisio, Vidal, Kroos, Gundogan, bender, Witsel, khedira, de Rossi, gustavo and Verratti}

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Cabaye isn't much better than Ando on a rare good day he would be a cheap mans option in my mind

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27 Jul 2013 23:55:00
Well Ed i'd say De Rossi, Khedira, Vidal, Bender, Gustavo and Witsel are a different kind of midfielder than Cabaye. These are your holding/defensive midfielders who we need but would be bought as well as a more creative player such as Cabaye.

As for the rest, Fabregas seems unavailable, Gundogan is certianly unavailable, Dortmund have ruled out selling anymore key players and he has pledged his future to the club for another year at least. Modric was wanted by Ancelotti during his time at Chelsea and PSG, he will not be selling him now he has him at Real Madrid. Marchisio is at his home town club and is a local hero, he has no intention of leaving and Juve have no intention in selling. That leaves Verratti, he looks the most achivable of those you've mentioned. Although you could argue that he is more a deep lying playmaker and the others are more forward moving playmakers. But he would cost at least 25m if not more, and he is messing PSG around atm because he wants more money less than a year after he signed for them. Which isn't a good sign. Then you need to ask whether he'll settle in England and whether he can adapt to the league (i'm sure he would, but there is a chance he couldn't). {Ed004's Note - Firstly I know the that I suggested different styles of midfielders but I would just give Carrick more freedom and this offer us a more defensive structure then next summer sign a Carrick replacement and Verratti is on a very low wage I think I remember it being under 1 million a year so I can understand why he wants more}

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How about Thiago who we could of signed for £22m if we had pulled our finger out our arses?

AFC

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You can throw Ozil in there too, Isco would of been another option

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28 Jul 2013 00:47:47
ozil. wouldn't cost much more and as you said shappy, ancellotti is a fan of modric so where does that leave ozil? Just a thought. Preference is modric as proven in PL, but there's no doubting ozil ability, just annoyed we didn't get him when we could have.

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We could not get Ozil because he was set on going to Madrid and has stated many times as recent as a few months ago that he would reject a move away from Madrid and loves the place.

Shahram

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28 Jul 2013 08:52:38
Ozil and Isco could be alternatives but I would argue that they play more in a No. 10 role rather than deeper in the heart of midfield. Thiago would have been perfect but for some reason we decided not to go for him, either way even if we did he'd have still chosen to go to Bayern and play for his "second father" Pep. Either way he is no longer available.

The only player I can think of who plays in a similar way to Fabregas, Gundogan and Cabaye who may be available is Koke. But he is young and would take time to adapt to the Premier league, also Atletico Madrid have a habit of only selling their players for top dollar. Nearly 20m for DDG, and with Falcao's recent move to Monaco they aren't in need of the money.

Personally due to who is available this summer and our needs. If we can't get Fabregas then we need to settle for Cabaye. He's Prem proven, at his peak and will be able to make in instant impact. We would still need someone like Gustavo to come in as well.

So this summer if we signed Cabaye and Gustavo to play with Carrick and Cleverley, then we would then have options and competition in the middle again. I'd keep Anderson and give Fletcher another year. Then next summer if Anderson has reverted to type and sadly Fletcher is unable to recover then I would look at bringing a young talented player with world class potential into the squad to improve competition and to be Carricks long term replacement. For me it would be either Koke or Verratti.

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Or, AFC, we could have spent an age chasing Thiago only for him to decide to join the European Champions and his former manager and mentor anyway.

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Pardoe

Cabaye no better than Ando on a good day?

That has to be the worst statement I have read in a long time. I genuinely think you mean a different player. We are talking about Yohan Cabaye the French national team starter that's the heartbeat of a premier league team that had the BEST season long stats of all the CMers in the league in his first year and you think that's only as good as Ando?

Jesus! You must be a massive Ando fan.

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Jono, I bet Andersons stats would be a lot better if he spent his first season at Newcastle rather than united (injury free)

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Shappy
I think the other posters got to answer before me. Cabaye is not a bad player, he's just not the quality we're looking for. Do you see any of the leading teams going in for him? No? Well there's your answer.
The only thing I agree with though, is that he'll be an improvement on Anderson, but that's not difficult, is it?
Nomidfueld

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NoMidfield - Nobody is in for him because they already have quality centre mids, also are PSG not interested in him? Starting for France isn't enough?

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27 Jul 2013 21:26:52
Wow Dortmunds talent is unbelievable. Just destroyed Gaurdiola's Bayern. Honestly we should forget about fabregas and bid £30mil for gundogan, forget about premierleague experience, fabregas will end up costing closer to 40mil and a much higher wage and this lad is 3 years younger. Add Reus, Hummels, bender and Lewandowki and we'd have the best team in the world!

Sulei

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What was the score

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If you want all them you may as well start supporting Dortmund

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4-2 to Dortmund.
I only want 3, maybe 4.

Sulei

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Ok we will.

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'if you want them all you should start supporting dortmund'
What a load of rubbish. Any proper football fan should be able to appreciate a quality player whether they play in the team you support or not. don't tell me there aren't any players in other teams that you would like to sign for Utd because if not you are either a liar or a patient of a mental hospital.
We need 1 central midfielder at least, Fabregas, Modric or even Fellaini who I hate would still improve our midfield, if you think we don't need any1 you are deluded.

Duffman

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So dithering dave says he's not sure how thiago would do in the prem he looks class even though they lost if that's is judgment then god help us a red united fan ps and before anybody says he was at fault for one of the goals how many has carick been responsable for

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Carrick has been a great player for us, I say the same game and Thiago was good not great. Clearly you don't like Moyes so every game Thiago plays you will repeat the same thing. Get over it

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Learn how to spell, its Carrick!

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Sulei

I agree and would love to see them with us. Why would Dortmund sell their best assets to us. they are not a feeder club and just finished runner up in the CL. From what I know they are financially in good position and have have their own ambitions. We are not exactly talking about a team from the dutch/ belgian/french league here who are now pretty much feeder clubs for the big teams in europe.

Shahram

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Agreed, I would love to see us play like BD. but we haven't got the players. What we can do though, is to improve our scouting network to buy these players in addition to buying the established players.
We have bought a lot of players from Portugal league, but apart from ronaldo who was destined for stardom, the rest have not quite worked out.
But if David Moyes can improve our scouting network, let's say in Spain, Germany, Poland, holland, belgium, then we might start unearthing some good talent. I think David Moyes has got a good record on this, so let's hope we can get some good players alongside the established stars.
Nomidfield

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27 Jul 2013 20:51:48
Not United related but my god Dortmund are fun to watch. It's amazing the talent and depth that they have even after losing some star players. Gundogan is the player that I would want the most for United.

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Had they ever buy big? No, the difference is the coach, he intergrates different players efficiently and evoke their potential to the most. Contrarily we can only buy big names to fix our problem, what a shame.

John

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And hence their coach should one day, become our manager. He is a special talent and extremely intelligent. He fits the united mould completely.
But for now DM is here and I'm sure he'll make a success of the job.
Nomidfield

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27 Jul 2013 20:27:02
Alex's condom, Not defending the Glazers, but we didn't have them when we went over 20 years without a title!

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No but we weren't one of the biggest teams in the world, with a massive income and world wide fan base did we

AFC

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GB62 I have to ask have you ever been to watch United ever. Us winning the league had nothing to do with thos American blood suckers. But the massive debt that hangs over our heads and restricts us from being competitive in the transfer market and means that all money coming into the club goes out to pay their debt whilst they put not one single penny into this club, please don't come on this site again and make such stupid remarks

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Agree Kloot. Can't believe we can't attract players anymore.

Can anyone tell me how the glaziers American teams are doing.

Wish they would sell out and leave, I can't help but think that they will bleed us dry. Putting some share on the stock exchange was proof enough especially with the sale of CR7. It will get to the stage were a concortium will come together and actually pay the transfer fees just to get some class in

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AFC

We were one of the biggest teams in the world. But the game has changed and globalised over the last 20 years, which is why we now have a massive income and world wide fan base. The huge increase in income has been matched, or overtaken by, the increases in transfer fees and wages. Back in the 70s and 80s we were always the richest or 2nd richest club in England. So, in that perspective, nothing's changed, other than we had a manager in SAF who used that position properly.

None of that is to defend the Glazers. I think the real damage the Glazers have done, financially, is to ticket prices, though.

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No name

What on earth did CR7s sale have to do with our share price? We weren't listed until well after it took place. Plus, don't you think having a player like CR7 at the club would have helped the listing?

Most of the Glazers business in the US is actually in shopping malls, which haven't been doing very well (to put it mildly). They also own the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and they've had a mixed time there, with the team having it's most successful period ever under them but struggling at the moment.

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No name,

You clearly don't understand what's going on so do some research before making stupid assumptions.

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No Name

Christiano Ronaldo wanted to go to Madrid and SAF convinced him to give us one more year before he could go. Nothing to do with stock markets or blood sucking.

On very different note there is no denying that the debt has hindered us and CR07 sales proceeds were used to pay down our debt. I believe we were caught like everyone else when the financial crisis hit and having issued debt prior to that with the inability to refinance at much cheaper levels, which has effected our ability to spend.

However we are financially extremely healthy today and our lack of transfers success is about player unavailability and nothing to do with not wanting to spend money.


Shahram

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27 Jul 2013 20:26:44
what are the chances of getting verrati from psg?
lets face it fab won't be coming!

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27 Jul 2013 19:54:21
I am seriously hoping we do not play a few of the more important players in Hong Kong with the look of the pitch out there? RVP, Carrick, Ferdy, Rafael are all too important to lose to an injury at the start of the season.

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I think the game is going to be postponed.

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My thoughts exactly, definitely a game for the cleverleys/Fabio's of this world.

Brendan81

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George

Got to say I agree with you. Don't see the value of putting them out on a pitch where the only way to play is to launch it as far as you can, anyway.

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Yeah no disrespect to Fabio, Anderson, Cleverley, Welbeck, Young etc just that they are not going to win us the title or get us 25 goals or 15 assists. We can't risk the better players just to satisfy the public relations.

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27 Jul 2013 19:33:25
Eds, are we likely to get a big name signing this summer. Thanks, Adam?

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Ibrahimovic. That's 11 letters. Big name. Just think of the money the club could make selling that on the back of a shirt.

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Nice joke their mate, not.

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We could always get Johannes Vennegoor of Hesselink out of retirement. That would be pretty expensive on the back of a shirt.

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In all seriousness, I would love to see Ibrahimovic in a united shirt!

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27 Jul 2013 19:24:16
NoMidfield

I know I've given yu some stick, but having read your posts we agree on most things (apart from Rooney). Midfield is light and we need at least 1, possibly 2 top quality players to strengthen that area. Zaha is raw but has potential, the youngsters need t step up and be given some game time but a player such as Fabregas (or similar) would have a huge impact. I think you and I want exactly the same thing - I guess I am slightly more sanguine than you. :-)

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Ajh. indeed, I just want us to be the best and sign some decent players. I'm not being disrespectful to our team, but did u watch dortmund tonight. Assembled for little money and yet play superb football. We need to get a modern system in play so we can compete with the best.
Nomidfield

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27 Jul 2013 19:18:57
Dear Mr Condom

Where to start? I respect everyone's opinion, positive or negative but you sir are just depressing. You are like one of the dementors out of the Harry Potter movies, your posts just suck my soul out of my body. I've looked back over your posts and I can't find anything constructive, just a lot of negative sound bites and whinges.

You are welcome to your views but you make NoMidfield look like an optimist (no offence NM). Your last conspiracy post was complete nonsense and felt like the desperate attention seeking ramblings of someone with no friends. As for your name tag, talk us though that one as I've clearly missed something here - Alex Ferguson's condom? Really witty mate. By all means feel free to share your views but how about an attempt at constructive thought? I now check tags firsthand if I see yours, I don't read it.

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AJH, the fact you watch Harry Potter makes you an even bigger Tw*t than I thought you were! My comments may be negative but like I've said many times they are reality! Just because most of you can't take your united goggles of and actually look at te bigger picture is your own problem! Sure let's start cleverly he's going to be world class, just like select is (can't hit a barn door) comes to mind, I mean who needs to spend on a world class player, all we need is youth! Living in the past pal! Now I know you like to think your some kind of god, but your posts piss me off just as much as mind seem to u! So I'll keep posting my posts and let's see who right in september! I'll wait for your apology then! You are a tit

Alex Fergusons Condom

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So watching Harry Potter now makes you a tw*t? That is the biggest load of horse dung I have heard in a while! Seriously you are doing my head in now with your posts. You say it is reality, more like your fantasy.

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AFC

Congratulations for proving my point. Nothing constructive, just insults. Read my posts mate, I'm not happy with Cleverley or Anderson either. My point is you are unable to make a constructive point, you just post infantile rants. Whoever is right in September, you will still be a child mate

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27 Jul 2013 21:53:09
What a nice person you are, AFC. It's such a delight reading your balanced and educated posts.
RLF

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AJH, I think you've stirred a hornet's nest there. He'll be pounding that keyboard even more feverishly now :)

StevieK {Ed007's Note - Can I just throw in that watching Harry Potter doesn't make you a twat, George...But it's as bloody close as a man will probably get.}

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Agree, they are kids films. People will be saying next that 'Marvin and the Chipmunks' are great next

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I hope we can agree a deal for Cesc. It will stop fellow posters insulting each other. let's be honest here, we are all nervous and that is the real reason people are bitching at each other. Come on Ed Woodward, help unite the fans ;)

Sydney!

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Leave Marvin outta this!

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27 Jul 2013 19:17:56
The problem with the close season is because your team aren't playing competitive football it makes you look at every other aspect of the club and you then try and measure those things up against other clubs.

For example because we have no league table to focus on we then look at transfers. And because we haven't made any transfers fans feel like the club is bottom of the league.

Ultimately this beautiful game we love is played on grass and not in the dressing room or the board room.

So let's take a step back and look at what we have.

Our Goalkeeping situation is strong, we have a potentially world class keeper in De Gea with Lindegaard probably being the best second keeper in the league on top of that we have two very promising young english keepers in Amos and Johnstone. Yes we've lost a very good goalkeeping coach in Steele but we have been lucky enough to have been able to bring in an equally as good and respected coach in Woods. His new methods will shake things up abit and will help expand and improve our Keepers.

Our defence has to be one of the best in the league, Rafael is probably the best RB in the league and will only get better, Vidic is still a rock at the back, Rio Evans Smalling an Jones offer great competiton for a starting spot. Fabio and Buttner are soild options and even Evra had an improved season last year after he had serious competiton for his place. We also have an excellent prospect in Micheal Keane, I don't think many people quite realise how good he is capable of being. There is likely to be one or two more players added to this, maybe an upgrade at LB and possibly a new more european experianced CB. Add to this Moyes notorious defensive stabability, and his methods of having a solid foundation means we are likely to be a better defensive unit next season. This is likely to be the case with or without new signings in this area.

Midfield is where the real issue is. Carrick has been magnificent over the last few years in holding our fragile midfield together. In theroy we have good options with Cleverley for his energy and his passing and movement, Anderson for his drive and vision and Jones for his strength and power. Unfrotunately due to injuries and poor form none lived upto expectation last season. Maybe our expectations of them are alittle too high, maybe they are just good squad players being asked to cover up cracks too big for them. Either way one or two top quality signings are needed here. On the plus side this is the area of the team that Moyes has singled out that needs the most work. So I expect him to sign at least one if not two midfielders. he may also change tactics in order to facillitate our not so brilliant midfield.

People keep mentioning our need for another striker or winger, but has anyone actually looked at what we have? Even with the poor form of our wingers and Rooney's dip in form last season we still top scored in the league and by a distance. Rooney may or may not be here next season.

But it's highly unlikely that all of our wingers will be as poor next season as they have been this season.

it's highly likely that Welbeck will score more than 2 goals next season.

RvP is still one of the best strikers in the world.

Zaha will add a new dimension to our play.

Januzaj or Lingard may make some form of contribution.

Hernandez hardly played last season and still managed a bag full of goals. If we play him more he will get more goals next season.

Kagawa didn't hit the ground running, but started to show better form towards the end of the season.

We also have young prospects like Will Keane and Henriquez who could make an impact if they get a chance.

There are many reasons why are attacking play will likely be improved next season and that's without any new players coming in. We are possibly going to see a new forward of some kind come in.

So when you look at our playing squad we are only a couple of midfielders away from having not just the best squad but also the best team in the league. If we get a new LB and a new forward as well then maybe a serious tilt at the Champions league maybe
possible, although this would be a big ask in Moyes first season.

Now I know we haven't made any signings yet, but we have been going through one of the biggest upheavals in our history and things need to settle down before moves can be made. But trust in the fact that we will have at least a couple of new faces in before the close of the window. But rest assured we still have the best squad and everyone else is playing catch up to us. 11 points is a big gap to fill.

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Really wish you'd write a bit more in your posts :-)

Brendan81

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Shappy mate! Amazing


How do you manage it every single. time!

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Shappy

Good post mate, but apparently you might meed to take your United goggles off :-)

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Top post and well written. I agree with all the problem areas. If we signed 2 good CM's and a good LB I think we're sorted. I'd be happy with just 2 out of the 3 TBH. We'd only need a forward/winger if Rooney goes.

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Don't tell KLOOT about these United goggles, you'll start him off on a rant :-)

Brendan81

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Shappy,

Great to see some positivity on this bloody site! I wouldn't mind seeing the likes on Januzaj, Lingard, Zaha and Henriquez get some chances this season.

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27 Jul 2013 22:19:15
Brendan, from what i've been told it's not about the length but rather how you use it. Lol.

No worries Die Red, i'm a machine. Lol.

AJH, I thought we are all united fans. Surely that means we all have our United goggles on. Although some of us can step back and see the bigger picture, rather then get sucked in to what everyone else is doing and wonder why we aren't doing that.

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Agree with all that Shappy, our squad all playing on top form I'd the best squad in the league, and very dangerous in the UCL.

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If you want to know where Manchester United stands then in my view they are third favourites for the league behind Chelski and Citeh. So far as Europe is concerned United will do well to make the quarter finals. Moyes will be sensible and somewhat cautious. The pressure will come when fans see that United are not going to win silverware this season. It will be a steep learning curve and it will be interesting to see whether the club will hold its nerve and give Moyes time. This season could be quite tricky for a club used to winning.

Tommy Gunn

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28 Jul 2013 00:29:10
Tommy Gunn, how do you make us third favourites behind City and Chelsea?

We arguably have a better squad than both of them.

And we have the better team ethic.

All three teams have had a huge upheavel over the summer, and it has yet to be seen how the new manager have settled in and how they have changed their teams. Its probably fair to say that Chelsea are well placed as Mourinho has had a successful spell at the club before, although he has broken the golden rule (never go back).

I would say United and Chelsea are about equal favourites with City a close second. We won't know anymore than that until a month or two into the season.

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Shappy my feeling is that Chelski have a very strong squad and a very astute manager. They just seem to me to have all the ingredients in place.

Also Citeh have bought well and they now have a manager who the players will respect and play for unlike the last guy who seemed to treat his players like servants. Citeh will surely give a much better account of themselves in the Champions League this time around

Moyes will struggle with his style of play for a while. He is likley to be too conservative and whilst you may be fit and compact you mightjust lose a cutting edge. If RVP gets an injury then big trouble lies in store. Also your midfield is the weakest of the top sides. Presumably you will be bringing someone in but I somehow doubt it will be Fabregas.

Clearly it is all guesswork but right now I would say Chelski's manager aces yours and Citeh's signings and manager trump you as well. The bottom line is that Moyes is not yet at the level of the very top managers and everyone knows it and everyone is waiting to see how things turn out. Your third game in at Anfield may be a real litmus test and if you get beaten in that game Moyes will feel the heat. Anyway it all adds to the excitement for the coming season. can't wait

Tommy Gunn

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Will remind you all when city win the league. No way us and chelsea are favourites.

Shahram

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28 Jul 2013 08:05:52
Shahram, City may well win the league. But as we haven't seen how any of the new managers will get their teams playing in competitive games, nor how they will handle the pressure of must win games agianst some of the tricky teams in england, nor how they will handle the long gruelling season. So with very little knowledge of all those things we need to base our judgement on what we do know.

We know United have probably the strongest squad, with a winning mentality, and a great work ethic.

We know Mourinho was hugely successful at Chelsea before and he knows how to win the Prem.

We know City have made a couple of good signings, and they have a good manager. But he has never managed in england, and he is taking over a team that does have a few divides in it (although he has been doing a good job of moving the trouble players on).

So based on that at this time I would put us and Chelsea just ahead of City. But we don't know what will happen between now and September. We could sign Fabregas Bale and Gustavo unlikely I know but how would that effect the odds? Chelsea may sign Rooney? City may get a couple more players. Key players could have season ending injuries before the start of the season. So all i'm saying is at this moment in time I would put us and Chelsea about tied (maybe Chelsea a shade above us) with City below. Ultimately anyone could win the league as its a long season and many things will happen during that season that will effect it.

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Shappy

I would say we had the best squad last season but not the best first team. Both City and Chelsea were better than us IMO at first choice first team standard especially based on what I saw at OT. City have strengthened their squad and through the middle Kompany, Yaya and Aguero have real quality. Chelsea have quality, want to add more and have the master Mourinho.

Last season saw SAF drag us through and both City and Chelsea were indifferent, however, both their new managers have a better first team to start with so we need to address the lack of quality in our midfield centrally and left side with players good enough to make us great again and if we lose Rooney we would be vulnerable to an RVP injury. As things stand third is more realistic but the window is still open and things can change

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Shahram,

The bookies disagree with you mate, Chelsea are favourites.

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I would also make Chelsea favourites right now TBH, though further transfer activity may change that.

Having siad that I expect it to be really close at the top so realistically any one of 3 (us, City, Chelsea) could win the EPL, with Arsenal as an outside bet. If Spurs keep Bale and get Soldado they will have a tasty squad but it's hard to imagine them pushing for the title.

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GDS2

Yeah and they have Tiger Woods ( favorite golfer) as a Favorite for every major too but that does not seem to be happening at the moment LOL.


Shappy

We also have a new manager and I think pellegrini is a very good manager. Everyone forgets Mourinho's first spell at chelsea came with an obscene amount of buying the best players out there and this time around they have added Shurrie and Van Ginkel and they seem to be overloaded with midfielders, which was never their weakness and Imo still leaves them needing 2 strikers and a CB.

City has a better squad and better first 11 and they have bought very well and again imo and I will take their team over Chelsea's. Aguero, Silva, Toure and fernandinho is pretty tasty.

Anyway not long now so we shall see.

I still believe we can win the league with 2 key signings but not with the current team.

Shahram

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27 Jul 2013 19:40:49
Wondering if everyone thinks that zaha can reach the heights of ronaldo and bale in the next few years? I for one am actually quite excited by him as he has the raw talent and skill and with the right application could be world class.

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Bale maybe, Ronaldo definitely not.

Brendan81

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Zaha's got a lot of potential but not to the same level as Ronaldo. He might reach Bale's level though. Moyes and the United staff need to be careful how they develop him - a lot of his skill is natural and unpredictable. SAF helped Ronaldo develop into the awesome player he is by not stifling those areas of talent (as opposed to Wenger who tries to identikit every player he gets). I do think Zaha is better than our other wing options already - and I said this a while ago - but he will be raw and inconsistent in his first season, so we (as fans) need to cut him slack on his bad days.

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I really like Zaha and think he has the potential to be a top player but i'm afraid not the level of Ronaldo, he is a freak of nature. Zaha imo could become a player maybe around the same standard as Di Maria or a little better. The one thing Zaha has that is uncommon in modern footballers is unpredictability. He has two great feet and has immense acceleration. So here is hoping for a bright future in a United shirt for him.

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SAF was never a coach, just a manager

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27 Jul 2013 19:08:04
LuisGustavo of B Munich is available at £16m
what a bargain Brazilian champions league
winner playing in germany who is best mates
with the the silva twins. Why are we not signing
him up I thought moyesey was a big fan of
the german league. GO GET HIM.
MR WOODWARD
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How do you know he's available and for £16 mill?

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Gustavo in talks with Wolfsberg
a web site


Bfro

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27 Jul 2013 18:32:49
Hello all,

I would just like to give my opinion on the cm situation! You can call me stupid or whatever but I don't think we're going to sign anyone in that position. We have Carrick Anderson Cleverly and Giggs and then I dunno is Powell going to get a look in this season? In my opinion he's going to be happy enough with that! Just for the record I don't rate Cleverly and Anderson has just been a let down but I think he'll give them 1 season and the only reason we bid for Fabregas is because he's a world class player and would improve any team in the world! So I'm probably way off the mark but I don't think we'll be in for Fellaini or Cabaye or any other midfielder! In my opinion it'll be Cesc or nobody! thanks for reading.

Flash

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I think we will get one and give Anderson a chance as well as Powell.

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Moyes has already stated that he isn't happy with the numbers in midfield. It's also obvious that there is a lack of quality there too. So I still expect to see one or two signing in the middle of the park.

The most important signing we could make for me is Luiz Gustavo. It's rumoured that Pep doesn't see him as vital as he has Martinez, Schweinsteiger, Thiago, Kroos, Rode and Emre Can as midfield options. Apprantly Xherdan Shaqiri is also possibly on the out going list, he tore us a new one when at Basle a couple of years ago. Maybe a double deal for them would give us options in midfield and on the flanks.

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Flash

Clearly we need to strengthen. If Cesc is a no we will move to other targets. And finally!!

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Flash

Anderson wouldn't be at United if we could have found anyone to buy him. My guess is he'll be loaned if we can't sell him. Giggs has mutated back into a winger over the last 12 months and he'll play there rather than in the middle. Cleverly is injury prone and that's badly impacted his form. At the moment, the only central midfielders we can rely on are Carrick and Jones. Powell should get some game time. But I still think we need 2 more in there, as there will be games where we'll play 3 in midfield.

I think it'll be Cesc or Modric + 1. If Gustavo is available, he'd be a good +1, as would Kondogbia. The best +1 would be Vidal. But there are that many midfield players out there who would improve us, it should be like shooting fish in a barrel to get some in.

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Yes I'll plump for whatever, Of course we will strengthen midfield. Why? cause we've got too and Moyesee recognises that, simples!

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27 Jul 2013 18:25:53
We all thought that Moyes would bring in 3 or 4. I actually think that he is going to bring in 2 with an outside chance of a 3rd addition. I think he is understandably pleased with the performances of Lingard, Zaha and Januzaj. All 3 of which in my opinion are now first team players and will play a role. Moyes will see it in this manner:

'This squad won the League comfortably last year, its a good squad with more youth coming through this year. So I just need to add one or two bits of quality'.

I believe that those bits of quality are Baines to replace Evra and Fabregas to start alongside Carrick. When you look at it objectively, he is right (if he is thinking that).

The players are saying that training is harder than ever. Admittedly Moyes will need to find the right balance for the likes of RVP and Carrick. But for the rest it can only be a good thing. Anderson for example is a talented lad, Moyes cannot assume just yet that we should get rid. I think he will get until at least January to prove himself. Nani I think really wants to leave so Moyes won't fight that. But Rooney will get a clean slate I think, there doesn't seem to be a likely buyer apart from Chelsea and we won't sell him to them.

So the question is, would we be happy with Baines and Cesc in, with Lingard, Januzaj and Zaha joining the first team. And add to that a slimmed down, fit Rooney & Anderson.

Moyes will see us as evolution, not revolution. After all, why radically change a title winning team.

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Fresh

Completely agree mate. A top class CM and Baines is enough in addition to Zaha and giving the youth a chance, must admit, can't figure the Fabregas situation though.

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Mate I agree we all want the ideal which is top players in all areas but I genuinely do not think an upgrade to Baines from Evra and 2 starting quality CM's is revolution.

It solidifies our defense and helps the attack down the left and adds two ball retaining CMers that can keep the ball so we can impose on other teams instead of what we have seen recently. These are things we have all seen from the stand that have not been addressed and had it been over the last three years we would only need one player for the whole squad and allow the youngsters the game time they need at 20 etc instead of waiting till they are 23-24 etc ie not youngsters anymore.

Overall the squad IS strong but the main area in the whole of football nowadays is midfield and that is almost central to winning any game so buying 2 CMers of starting quality should be seen as a necessity not something we could or should do.

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To be honest I'd be delighted with that. Some will say we need a 2nd CM (and they may be right) but just those changes you mentioned would improve us to no end, no squad is ever perfect after all. I'm kind of hoping that this is how Moyes feels. We don't need wholesale changes but we do badly need some extra quality.

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I would like to think of it as : with baines and fabregas added would we stand a chance against bayern/barca etc in the champions league? Is our midfield good enough? IMO no, therefore we should buy 3/4 players.

Ideally 4.
-2 cm's. 1 creative, 1 ball winning.
-lb.
-left winger.

Have to say though I have been impressed by zaha and believe he can nail down a regular spot in the first team.

Doni

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I think Anderson will be kept for two reasons, first our lack of numbers in midfield. And two because of a lack of interest in him from outside.

Signing Fabregas is all well and good but if Carrick were to get injuried we would have no one able to fill that role. that's why imo it is vital that we sign someone like Gustavo, Kondogbia, Romulo, Schneiderlin, Lars Bender, Fellaini ect.

I don't think Fabregas is going to happen, I think Barca would consider selling him but I don't see him considering leaving this year, that could change though if Barca sign another midfielder.

Cabaye seems like the alternative, although i'd prefer Koke.

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I agree with what everyone has said. I think Moyes really wants to give these young lads a chance like Zaha, he may even keep Nani yet for numbers. You can't deny that we are unlikely to upgrade on Nani so is it not better too have him here than have one less decent player? Baines in my opinion is a huge upgrade on Evra. And Anderson will be kept for the reasons Shappy stated.

If we get Fabregas and Baines before the season starts then I see us possibly making a bid for someone like Kondogbia towards the end of the window.

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27 Jul 2013 17:38:25
De Rossi is 30 now and wouldn't cost too much due to his age. However he would pull need replacing again I the next couple of years so a player like Vidal who could give us 7 plus years would be a better signing.

However if we sign De Rossi I would be happy he would definately add some steel to our midfield.

As for Fabregas I'm waiting for him to come out and say ' I'm staying at Barca'. So at least he's a maybe.

However I can't see why we don't pursue other players unless this is actively showing Fabregas how much we want him whilst keeping other dealings tight lipped.

All in all at least we know DM is trying to strengthen the midfield. I hope he pulls a few corking signings.

Mad Hatter

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27 Jul 2013 16:38:00
So whilst galavanting on the other side of the world and signing fk all players, I hope the executives of our club realise those emerging markets we are aiming to exploit are the most fickle. What I mean is that if our club continues to lose star quality and not reach champions league finals, the fans in Asia, Africa and the Americas etc will follow the next big things. We picked up those fans due to the beckhams, giggs, rooneys and ronaldos etc, and of course our former swashbuckling style of football. They don't care for steady eddies I'm afraid. So let's hope we can pick up some class very soon and begin another twin assault on England and Europe.

Rave.

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Never has a truer word been said. I know Luis van gaal (holland manager) well and he says the same of our club.

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27 Jul 2013 16:28:56
Why is everyone slating players like Fellaini and Cabaye? If I remember correctly there were plenty of calls to sign players like these in January and last summer? Fellaini has even improved since then so why are people saying he wouldn't be a good signing now? Often players blossom at bigger clubs, you just can't tell, he would be a really solid rotation player and a player we can rely on if our midfield needs steel against the bigger and more physical sides.

With the losses of the legend that is Paul Scholes and the energy of fletcher we really need to bring in more than 1 midfielder, if one of those is Fellaini I will not be complaining. I do agree however we need to be going for a work class cm as well; I would really like it if we were persuing someone like Vidal, or De Rossi; surely MU know these players might be available?


On another note, where has the deal involving Baines gone? It seems so quiet with our other transfer dealings.

Covey

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Totally agree, I think fellaini would b a great buy, with him I fink it would carrick the opportunity to play the scholars role, at the moment he's limited because he has to protect the back 4 but if fellaini was here they could easily rotate, we know how good a passer carrick is

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Big Mac

Interesting point, I'm kind of torn on Fellaini. I'm not convinced he is United class but given our dearth of 'tough' midfielders I d thin he would improve us and stop teams running though us as so many did last year. If it was Fellaini or Cleverly, for me it would be Fellaini every time (sorry Syd)

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27 Jul 2013 15:59:19
Whats with the Cabaye and Fellaini slating with everyone?

Cabaye is one of Newcastle's best players and I know this because he has been cursed with injuries this season and they seem to play worse when he isn't around. Therefore he would improve our midfield massively, rather than having Giggs, Cleverley or Ando there.

Fellaini, although there are better options would also improve our midfield, some may dislike his actions from ONE game but come on! Cantona or Keane anyone?

We have all been crying out for midfielders for years! Now once Moyes comes in and targets ones which would improve us massively, he gets slated because we aren't signing world class talents.

We are Manchester United, other than the occasional Van Persie, Berbatov etc. When have we brought a world class talent inform? We buy smaller players who have the ability to become great.

Yes I would love Cesc but if we do miss out, I will still be happy with Fellaini, Cabaye or both.

I may take a break from this website, the negativity has really taken over and made it non-enjoyable. People need to start being a little more positive or you will just be unhappy for the rest of your lives.

We are Champions of England, the same squad as last year with a lot of youngsters who have improve a lot (De Gea, Rafael, Jones) We have signed a promising winger in Zaha. The likes of Fabio, Smalling and Young are all back and fit. And finally we are targeting talented players who will add to the squad.

If anything we should be excited for the new season.

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Jake,

Couldn't have said it better myself, the miserable, boring 'realists' as they call themselves are the kind of united fans that annoy me. Enjoy supporting the team, the success might not be there forever but I certainly will be.

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I could not agree more with everything you just said, Cabaye imo is a top little player and Fellaini brings an extra dimension to our team and also an aerial threat in both boxes which we seem to lack at times. People seem to expect we go out and spend £500m just because we have a new manager.

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500m at the moment were struggling to spend £5 quid

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Haha, gds2 best off your high horse, we have supported the club they thick and thin. We supported them for 26 years when there were no championships and the scousers were winning everything.
Let me tell you, it is more fun when you are winning, and that's all we want of our club.
Nomidfield

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Cabaye? I can see all the big clubs queueing up to buy him?
Have barca, real, bayern made offers for him? Has mourinho go e out of his way to get him?
I don't think so, sorry.
Fellaini is different, and he can do a job.
Nomidfield

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Thats a daft comment boarshawred

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Nomidfield

Whats the major difference between all the other big teams CM and ours?

Oh yeah they have the CMers that we would want and they will more than likely not want to let them go. So in essence they don't need Cabaye or Fellaini.

So what do we do? Smash bid after bid in for a player that will end up singularly costing the same as both Fellaini and Cabaye would total?

Say we sign Cesc for 40m and we could get Fellaini and Cabaye for the same which is better in your opinion?

I know exactly which I would pick and considering your name I think you know wich would be better for us aswell.

Oh and PSG are interested and they are hardly just buying dross players are they?

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Not convinced about Cabaye, I've seen him look good and I've seen him disappear - a bit like a certain T Cleverley. However, he is 1st choice for France so who knows what playing in a top team might do for him.

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Top post.

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Cabaye rarely disappears for France but can sometimes for Newcastle but mainly due to the all round game he has to play in that eam. You and a few others compare him to Clevs in that respect but would Clevs make as much on an impact as Cabaye does at newcastle on his own? I would very much doubt it and the other way do you think cabaye playing in a team like ours which contains far better players and uses CMers ball playing skills far more, do you think he would excell?

As the other poster said, play with better players, play better. IMO he would be a top, top signing.

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I know Cabaye isn't the ideal choice, but should we really be picky right now? He is a top talent who has been stuck in a fairly mediocre Newcastle side.

Imagine him alongside Carrick, or also with Fellaini?

It would transform our midfield into something we haven't had in years.

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27 Jul 2013 15:18:54
So your saying we will sign Cabaye and Fellaini yet no chance of someone like Fabregas when the two wouldn't be a huge difference in cost. That has nothing to do with the owners, stop blaming them for things like players turning us down when you never know whos fault it is. Yes they put us in debt but we aren't hampered by it at all really. Stop trying to blame them for every little fault the club has.

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You need to Learn to read mate. Fellani OR cabaye, not both! Your telling me that's same price as Fabregas?

The glazers don't hamper the club? No of course not! We sold Ronaldo the best player in the world an biggest marketing icon, because he wasn't food enough! Haha, where do u think that money went? We can't afford the wages and big fees of the top players any more, drum that into your head! City spent £90m already! Can we keep up and compete with that? Weather we want to or not, can we afford to? No. So don't sit there tellin me the glazers throwing us £500m in debt is no hamper! Tool

AFC

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The owners are bad! They hampered us with debt we didn't need!
The rest I agree

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George

You say we are not hampered by the owners yet tens of millions a year go out in interest that could have bought players

We will see what the owners have brought us in the next few weeks but they are on trial as much as Woodward. I will never forgive the Glazers for the debt but they would go a small way to show there is more to us than a business by buying the best out there. What might we have done in SAFs last years without the debt millstone? We will never know but this summer has to be the big one for the owners and CFO

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I dislike the owners as all Man United fans should but everyone puts the blame on them for stuff like Fabregas' bid getting rejected etc. How is that their fault or Moyes' for that matter? People need to realise there is more to things than the Glazers. Yes we have debt which we shouldn't have but we still can afford to buy quality players. If you want us to spend £100m every summer go support Man City or PSG. Red Man I agree with the interest statement but we make enough money to buy players still. Let me once again say I hate the Glazers but they are not at fault for everything in your lives.

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If anyone can't see where the glazers have taken this club from a footballing side, then they have not been watching our team playing.
We were extremely lucky that we had one of the best manager who ever lived managing our great club. He made the most of what he was given.
If we think we can just achieve the same success by buying average players, then I think you're in for one hell of a shock.
Just look at the players we had at the club in 99 and look at the current side. The only way we can come up to their standard is by spending on top players as players are not coming thru like they did in that time.
Nomidfield

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George

The thing is that we have not bid for a midfield player at Fabregas level for years. As a comparison Arsenal have not been able to compete because of debt to build their stadium but whilst they have the stadium to show for it what was our hundreds of millions of debt used for? What benefit did it bring the club? I blame the Glazers for the last few years of not investing in the team at a sufficient level. When Ronaldo left what did we replace him with?
Bayern won the Champions League and dominated Barcelona in the Nou Camp on the way, then invested in Gotze and Thiago. What did we do in 2008 or 9 and forget Berbatov he was not at the highest level? That's where I blame the Glazers for a chronic lack of investment. They should have been looking to build on 2008 but didn't and they didn't because of their debt they imposed on us.
This summer our top players are nearing retirement, Rio, Giggs even Vidic is what 31 after two serious knee problems, Scholes has gone. We need two major quality signings to put the great back into us or our magic will fade and as Liverpool found it is hard to get back up. The Glazers need to show ambition this summer especially with the new manager and because they have not done that before at the top level of transfers people blame them and target them. I was laughed at and almost abused for saying Fabregas and Ronaldo would do it but my fingers are crossed we can do that because Cabaye and a lesser winger is the first step down. Most on here generally have only known success but there are a few who know what the lesser levels look like and being one of them I don't want to see it again.

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Red Man

Stop on, your talking my language! Couldn't agree more! Shame more of us can't see it! They will or day!

Alex Ferguson Condom

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Red Man - How do you personally know it is the Glazers fault that we did not improve on our team after winning the UCL? Maybe SAF didn't see anything wrong or thought the team wouldn't need improving. All I am saying is people seem to think that every time something goes a little bit wrong they blame the Glazers.

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George

Take a look back pre Glazer SAF broke transfer records and looked to buy what he thought was the best. I remember where I was when he bought Andy Cole going back further he broke records to buy Roy Keane, he didn't worry when buying Pally for what was then a huge amount. Rio Ferdinand was one of the most sought after defenders in the world and SAF made him the worlds most expensive defender. Veron I felt did better than most gave credit to and probably we didn't use him properly but SAF bought him in the WORLD market. Rooney arrived pre Glazer. SAF changed when the Glazers arrived, why do you think?

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But how do you know it was because the of the Glazers? Your not giving me any evidence. I understand your hatred and I join you on that but it is silly to accuse everything bad on them. Maybe SAF just thought the money was getting ridiculous which I think it is anyway. I just do not get how people can blame the Glazers for a transfer bid being rejected, how is that in any way their fault or Moyes'?

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George

In mathematics have you heard QED, I. e. proved. The change in SAF buying habits was enough proof for me.

I blame the Glazers for recent years transfer activity, but now is the chance to redeem themselves a little. The concern is that they want to do it on the cheap, scrimp on the deal, which could mean missing out, they need to prove otherwise

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I agree that they need to prove them selves and help Moyes in his first window, he needs a decent signing to get some fans off his back. That is not my problem, my problem is just that the Glazers and Moyes get blamed for bids getting rejected and players getting injured etc. How is that their fault is what I am saying. A few people on here seem to react to everything and blame a Glazer as if they're hiding in their bedroom closet when they get back from work to see their partner. Vendetta's are pointless.

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I'm not a big Glazer fan and I also do not like one bit how the club has been leveraged to 'manage Glazer money'. BUT, the facts are, we haven't exactly been unsuccessful under their ownership have we? A CL, and another final, and several EPL titles. that's not bad when you consider what's going on around us with city and chelsea is it?

Sure we had a crop of exceptional youth before them, but that youth system hasn't changed, we just haven't got so much from it. And yes we did every 1 or 2 years buy big, but I don't think that has changed much. Berbatov was the top striker in the EPL as was RVP. Carrick was he pre/post Glazer? (cant remember)

OK we sold Ronaldo but it was always going to happen with his personal desire to play for Madrid and it was for a WR 80M. True, little of that went into significant re-investing, but I am not so sure things are as bad as they seem to many.

SAF leaving and new man in, is a huge change and its obvious we need to invest, but one thing is very important to the Glazers - continued success. Without that their ability to run the club in its current situation diminishes significantly. So they'll know they need to fill the holes (mostly in our midfield), and they'll have to balance investment vs. risk vs. debt. After all 20-30-40M are not particularly big numbers compared to the clubs T/O and debt.

Let's see what happens at the end of the window and fingers crossed my thoughts will deliver some quality.

mikee
(not a Glazer fan, just wearing red tinted spectacles and living in hope).

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27 Jul 2013 15:00:52
'They know it is stupid to keep an unhappy player when they can get big money for him. '
Nomidfield

This was regarding Fabregas, but surely this also applies to Rooney. Or is there a different set of rules for old Wayne?

Phred

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No its exactly the same! I think that is the point mate!

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No exactly the same. If an offer of above Rooney's worth comes in United would sell.

Nathaniel

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How dare you talk sense Phred!

REDFAITH

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The difference is that Barcelona would not be selling Fabregas to Real Madrid their domestic rival, they would be selling him abroad. My reading is that if and it is an if United sell Rooney they would want to sell him abroad not to Chelsea.

It is different

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27 Jul 2013 14:08:20
Right I'll tell you all what I honestly believe is going on at United!

SAF retiring came totally out the blue to everyone, and there must be a reason for that. Now we know there is one part of his career with United he is unhappy about, his record in Europe. We know he was desperate for another CL winners medal. So why retire?

I believe after 3/4 years of needing to sort out our midfield he finally realised this himself.

So what I think has happened is he has gone to the board with a list of potential targets (expensive as we're talking established world class players) and basically has been told we can't spend that on players anymore. SAF will know how far away we are in Europe and has realised without that sort of investment we won't get back to the top. Also with Chelsea and City spending and strengthening, we may miss out in the league too.

So he has probabily looked at it as if he wants to go out on top his best chance is now, hence the sudden hasty decision.

So next, Moyes is appointed. Moyes is famed for working on a tight budget and finding gems for little money. This would suit the Glazers! Mouronhio was never an option as he too would want to spend to reinforce our squad, so Moyes became the obvious choice.

All this linking us to Bale and Ronaldo returning is great press, Season tickets are snapped up etc, but do you honesty think we will go spend £70-£80m on one player? Not a chance.

We have bid for Fabregas, so the club can say yes we're in for the top players in the world. but they wouldn't sell etc. to appease our fans. I suspect well end up with the realistic targets of Cabaye or Fellani instead. The club will still out it out there to us fans how they tried to sign the best etc etc and Moyes looks good for it. But it won't happen.

So long as we have the Fu*king Leach that is Malcolm Glazor draining our beloved United, we will no longer compete with the best in Europe, and I don't think we will with Chelsea And City either.

I'm hoping in the transfer window I'm proven completely wrong, but I don't think I will be.

I'll be fully behind United and Moyes just as much as ever, it's just a shame our fantastic club has come to this.

Alex Fergusons Condom

Ps. Que the unrealistic, fantasists to slate this comment

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All a very possible scenario if a bit Matlock. But to slate people for disagreeing before they've even disagreed shows how much you faith you have in your own theory.

Queue the weirdos with delusions who disagree!

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God, how many times has someone spouted the 'we bid for so and so just to appease fans' line? I'm all for freedom of speech but we don't need to hear the same old sh*t over and over again.

There are 5 weeks left in the transfer window, can people not just wait and see? If when it closes we haven't bought anyone of note, then come on and have a go at whoever you feel like. But to spout the same old rubbish when no one actually knows is pathetic.

Moyes is taking his time and assessing the positions we need strengthening. He isn't going to do that over night and has been the other side of the world for 2 weeks. Give him a chance!

Brendan81

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You know my views on this, though not as extreme as yours, but we are struggling to attract the big talent.
All I want to see is a midfield as good as Keane, Beckham, scholes and butt. We have the strike force and the defence in my opinion.
So just go out and buy two top midfielders and stop p. sing about.
Nomidfield

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What an optimist!

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Thing is SAF would never of announced his retirement early in the season after what happened last time.
This would be a much more better post on the 3rd of September and we are still left with our midfield

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You seem desperate to find negatives in everything! Maybe we bid for fabregas to get the player? I know its hard to believe!

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Fergie retired because the board wouldn't give him the money he needed and then goes and takes a seat on the same board himself. makes a lot of sense. NOT.

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AFC posts a blinding theory and one that could have some truth albeit I believe he should see a trick cyclist. A tad flawed inasmuch under the Glazers we have invested significantly, £30m+ on one player, millions on a so called expert who worked for the club (the player was Bebe) and even millions sanctioned by SAF having watched a video of the player! We will compete with the majority of footballs world elite however we will not complete with obsessed millionaires at clubs like PSG, s***ty or Chelski who buy expensive over priced average players in the main.

Queue AFC, RebelRed, Brendan 81, weirdo's fanatics and anyone else!

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Like I said this is my view, I write this as I think come September we will be disappointed with our summer signings. You can say what u like but this is what I BELIEVE. Manchester United of old could attract any top player in the world, don't make me lost the ayers in just the last 5 years who we have missed out on!

My post isn't negative, it is realistic! Well see

AFC

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I honestly can`t believe the negativity of some posters. You can go and put your mortgage on this, we WILL be signing at least 2 players BEFORE too long. One of which will be a marquee signing, either Bale or Ronaldo, the other will be a holding midfielder. Also I think we will up the offer for Baines. Do you really think we are going to let our rivals get the edge on us? We ARE MANCHESTER UNITED. Ps. Show me your betting slips.

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I believe Fergie retired to be at home more after his wife's sister died, just like he said.

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27 Jul 2013 16:48:57
Or alternatively Sir Alex has seen his health deteriate over the last couple of years with nose bleeds and a hip replacement on the way. And he has sat down with his wife and they have decided that it was time for him to take a back seat.
He felt that she had devoted herself to him and to help him during his career and maybe it was time for him to give her the rest of his time.
Maybe he has other ambitions and has decided he needs to take a back seat to fullfil these ambitions before he's too old.

I think to say Sir Alex retired because he was scared that he could no longer compete is an insult to everything he has done for our club. When has Sir Alex ever walked away from a fight? That just isn't in his nature. I may not know the exact reasons for why Sir Alex chose this moment to retire, but i'm damn sure it wasn't because he didn't think he could compete any more.

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I'm sure majority of fans would buy their season ticket regardless of whether we're in for Ronaldo or Bale

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1) Sitting on the board he wouldn't be blamed for team failure would he? It would fall on Moyes!

2) Haha out your mortgage on Bale or Ronaldo! I hope you have a spare tent love

Alex Fergusons Condom

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Errr in December SAF will be 72. I am certain that has nothing to do with him wanting to retire at all does it?

mikee

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27 Jul 2013 13:26:25
Although I'm mostly certain that squad would improve by the end of transfer window, some part of me is concerned what if it won't be good enough to improve our first 11 and that much needed cm'er position. Last year, two world class players join Manchester united because they wanted to play for Manchester united apart from money of course, but will there be others wc players like that this season, because only other option is to pay overboard which Manchester United are not in the habit of doing.
PS: No matter what I know we'll still be favorites for and doing our all for no. 21, can't wait for new season
Mickey

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27 Jul 2013 13:06:43
Sign cesc or not I still don't understand why we wouldn't be after de Rossi wants to leave clearly has the physicality for the premier league and would cost less then €20mill. De Rossi and then a creative midfielder would be what's needed IMO.

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Very good player and will improve our midfield no end.
Nomidfield

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De Rossi's a good player but he is 30 now and Roma want in excess of 20m which is far too much for a player who although shouldn't have a problem adapting could struggle in a league he has never played in. And at his age if he did flop you would struggle to get any of the money you invested in him back.

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De Rossi has just turned 30 and would demand huge wages, there is no sense in that at all as a football club or a business. We need to be looking at Koke, Kondogbia, Lars Bender etc.

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27 Jul 2013 12:53:49
We are not a bad squad overnight and we have competed domestically well over the past several seasons. The closest top 3 EPL teams to us have improved their squads and 2 are under new management and all 3 plus at least 1 other will be ultra competitive. We need new midfield players to compete with them, simple. To have a chance in Europe we need a quality wide man or striker. The worrying part of last season was our defending therefore a new left back and perhaps cb is needed. IMO Moyesee will breath new life into our squad this year and will ensure we are hard to beat, he has successfully proven to be an organised coach and gets his team fit. With our quality that will add a different dimension. Not rocket science and nothing new with that view probably from 75% who post. The problem I believe is that people do not accept that under new management things change. Why would anyone have an issue bidding for players you want and from time to time getting knocked back? Why can't we be patient? Why do we perceive a pre-season loss as a crisis? For eff and jeff sake get a grip. MUFC are in a state of change and we must support Moyesee and trust in him. If Fabregas comes great, if he doesn't let's welcome whoever Moyesee brings in as an alternative and look forward to developing some very good talented youth. You win nothing with kids, yes right!

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Now Chelsea haven't improved starting 11 wise squad depth yeah sure Chelsea have improved but the three atacking midfielders behind the forward will still be hazard-mata-oscar.

City have improved with navas in the midfield, I don't know how good fernandinho and the forwards hate the way pellegrini says he has the best forward the league cause negredo and jovetic yeah good forward but not better than the two forwards they sold in tevez and balotelli.

For us we need another 2 midfielders one more attacking and the other box to box type player then sell rooney and buy left winger too be honest if ronaldo sign another contract with real by this time next year bid 50 million for him but this season I think we may need to stick with young and nani.

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27 Jul 2013 12:23:39
Urgent transfer business? I hope we didn't fly his ass first class. For this performance Ed Woodward should have been put in cargo. On a boat. -KG

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Kg. Totally agree. He's not covered himself in glory so far. No major retooling? Well if the money is that tight, then hopefully he would have flown economy, but why do I get the feeling he was on first class.
I knew from the outset that glazers have got him in to do their dirty work, while gill was a much more honest person.
So bring a yes man and a yes manager and they're all sorted.
Nomidfield

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So a few hundred pound makes a difference to a club worth over a billion if not more? Don't make me laugh once again someone has found a way to blame the Glazers or Ed Woodward for flying home. The negativity on this page is shocking atm.

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George. What a silly name. Who would name their son George. But seriously, it wasn't the cost u maniac it was the big dramatic scene they made followed up by nothing. It was a joke. Damn, some of u lack both logic and a sense of humor.

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He'll hitch hike next time. That'll give him more time to conclude urgent transfer business and he'll have the get out of saying 'he's travelling'. He'll also look good in front of the Glazers for saving money.

mikee (please try to appreciate the poor attempted humour/sarcastic sentiment to the above).

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27 Jul 2013 12:21:29
There's 3 weeks to the new season, and the fort of no signings till then is making me cringe, yes I no where the champions, that's why every team will be out for us, our midfield is scarey, we don't dominate teams, wonder how many of our players would get into the top 4 teams, I am a massive fan, and will always back our team, but what was the point of ed Woodward coming back? Moyes was happy how the deals where going, that was 2 weeks ago

Marm

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My point exactly. Two months ago, we were told wait till transfer window starts. Then it was wait till Moyes in charge. Now it is wait until Woodward comes back from his jolly in Thailand, then Moyes tells us he's only been in the job for three weeks and to have patience, next it will be we can't buy anyone in august as half of Europe is closed.
Listen, it is perfectly clear, Chelsea and city have improved dramatically, players as well as managers. So if we want to retain the PL, we better get our finger out. I don't think that our new manager has quite come to terms with being united manager yet. Personally, I don't hold much hope of any trophies this year.
Nomidfield

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Thought.

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27 Jul 2013 12:20:40
I just love it when the transfer market opens. The thing is, nobody can ADMIT to anything as it will affect the price on a player. Its like when there are rumours in the stock exchange, people start to panic, in turn, stock prices drop drastically. We only get to knw when a deal is done, when its official. Otherwise, the players, agents and clubs work hard to stir up rumours so that u and I can keep guessing and other clubs start to panic. let's face it, its good for business. That is why Manchester United became a global market leader, others followed. That is why prices on players rocketed. Think about it?

Die hard Manchester United Fan
Donnie

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So what have we been doing with Fabregas deal, the moors deal last year? It was splashed all over the papers.
Nomidfield

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27 Jul 2013 12:19:00
David moyes. Steve round and Ryan giggs all are present at tottenham vs south china game.
Why? Which tottanham player we are looking at other than bale?
Doesr this mean anything?

Rodio17

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They are there to watch the game after, City-Sunderland. United's fifth premier league game of the season is City so there just there to see what the new signings are like and how City might line up against United

OT Ghost

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Why would they be there to look at Bale? Do you think they've never seen him play before?

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Honk Kong is the next leg of the tour Utd are playing there this week, what has that got to do with Bale (who isn't playing)

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27 Jul 2013 12:00:30
Been reading all the posts and opinions. Whilst I was very critical last year of our style of play and lack of control in the middle of the pitch, which is a legacy issue that saf has left behind.

The the loss of Hargreaves was really when this whole thing started and should have been addressed in all honesty 3 to 4 years ago and hence another transfer season and we all wait anxiously to see how we address the weakness and I am hopeful that the club will surprise us with a couple of major signings.

Now on to all the posts and negativity towards DM and the club. I think people are forgetting that this is one of the greatest clubs on earth and one summer transfer dealings will not change that.

Great clubs have their ups and down as evident by the recent struggles of the likes of AC milan and Juventus, however they are still great football institutions with rich histories and that you can not buy for no amount of money.

Back to our beloved club and no matter what happen this summer we are still one of the greatest clubs on the face of the planet and will be competitive come the new season and if it happens that we do not win trophies this year because we were unable to land specific players so be it, but I assure you we will be there for years to come and still a dream club for 99% percent of professional footballers out there.

Finally, it is quite silly to blame transfer setbacks on the new manager as transfer dealings are very complex and none of us are privy to the details and most times it has nothing to do with some of the stuff people are stating to vent their frustrations.

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Shahram, my sentiments exactly. Doom and bloody gloom cause people seem to forget what an institution MUFC is and the fact that under new management we are in a flux of change. I'm all for the freedom of opinions and banter however some are bordering on the insane!

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Very well said, Shahram. Too much panicking on this site recently and not enough patience.

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Halle-fricking-lujah sense has returned to the page.

Nice to see you back Shahram.

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27 Jul 2013 11:02:54
Right this needs to be said, next season will be a lot different maybe for better or for worse. Say we buy the players we are talking about, say we don't we should all support the team just as much as we do every season! the amount of posters acting like if we don't buy anyone, they will no longer support the club is appalling! I for one think that we need to get behind the team a lot more this season instead of constantly putting them down!

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Support and agree with are two very different things. I'm sure even the most vocally disappointed fans or the idiots already talking moyes out will be hoping the team wins on any given match day. I'm worried about the transfer situation, as many are, but that doesn't affect my support for the club. -KG

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Don't think I've seen one post quoting "if united don't buy I won't support them". Can you reference these? On the other hand supporters a bit miffed at lack of activity, and who live in te real world know if we don't strengthen, by that I mean with world class not average like James McCarthy, then we won't compete in Europe and will be 3rd in league! Nothing wrong with venting frustration!

Alex Fergusons Condom

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Its just the negativity on this site annoys me, we have to back moyes no matter what happens, remember SAF did pretty bad in the first 3 years!

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Its just the negativity on this site annoys me, we have to back moyes no matter what happens, remember SAF did pretty bad in the first 3 years!

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I wish I had a caramel FREDO right now hmmm!

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No I prefer the original FREDO!

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Haha, why is it when we say the midfield is not strong enough, then that is taken as we are negative. Do you think our team and midfield in particular are strong or good enough to compete with the top clubs? If you do, then you are kidding yourself.
This is not pessimism or negativity, it is just the honest truth. Far too many people are too over optimistic and over confident of our team.
If you sit there and think everything is great, then you are not being honest in your appraisal, the only way to improve is to assess your flaws and weaknesses and improve on them. That is not negativity.
Nomidfield.

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I prefered the original Fredo, they were twice the size and half the cost. lol.

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27 Jul 2013 10:46:40
Not a great pre-season so far with awkward defending, lots of chances missed and lack of players coming in.

However, don't despair yet because:

1. Heat and humidity as building up fitness

2. Moyes rotating players as he makes his mind up about their strengths and weaknesses

3. Players getting used to Moyes' new ideas and training demands as he gets them fitter than ever - probably a shock for some

4. Learning new formations: moving from 4 4 2 to 4 2 3 1; will take adjustments and mistakes as they learn new positions and spaces

5. Promise shown by Januzaj, Zaha and Lingard. Plus Powell yet to come back

5. New players WILL come in, just not the marquee signings we all want. Rather than Cesc etc we'll get Fellaini, Cabaye, Baines and Garay. Moyes will get the best out of them and turn them into a TEAM that will function together, as he did at Everton.

So not all bad news - just keep fingers crossed get personnel in sooner rather than later.

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Great. So we spend 100 mil on four players not improving our team much and none guaranteed starters in a big match. Ill pass on all four thank u very much. We either need to buy a couple elite players or don't buy anyone. Buying more depth is pointless. -KG

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-KG

What the actual F***!

Your negativity is so sickening. All 4 of those players will not cost £100 Million. All 4 of those players will improve the first team by miles too.

Baines is a much better and consistent LB than Evra.

Garay will make our defence one of the best in the world.

Cabaye will instantly improve our extremely poor midfield.

Fellaini will bring the physical/tackling presence we have needed since Hargreaves left.

All 4 of those players would improve our first team a lot and I would rather have them that just Cesc.

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27 Jul 2013 10:24:37
This turning into a PR nightmare for young Davey. Firstly he has Sir Alex asking for the supporters to give him time. Then everyone expects a huge statement signing to get the supporters on board. Then we go on tour and look anything but convincing. Then after saying he won't discuss other team players he names Cesc as a target only to see us humiliated as we keep upping our offer to see it rejected. I hope we are not heading for the nightmare scenario where do we not only have all the Everton trophy less back room staff but we buy 2 of their players.

But don't any of you worry the Glazers will still be taking their money out whoever we buy and they have the ultra Glazer man Ed controlling Young Davey over here.

Come on Glazers splash the cash and shoot me down

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Please quote where DM actually mentions Fabregas? Yes he did field questions specifically asked about him. I put the OPEN talk about players down to the Glazers PR man Ed Woodward.

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27 Jul 2013 10:21:43
Rules of Engagement for the Manchester United Board, Next Time:

1 Do not assume that a clever commercial director can run the everyday business of the club.
2 Negotiating with sophisticated international brands, where there are rules of engagement, is a lot easier than dealing with the hysterical drama queens who run competing football clubs, especially foreign ones.
3 Do not allow retiring managers to appoint their successors.
4 When negotiating with devious Portuguese use a garrotte silently, and in a dark room.
5 Devise and apply a consistent communications strategy for all public announcements and statements.
6 Do not deviate from this and train the ingénues to adhere.
7 Keep negotiations out of the media.
8 When your entire commercial strategy depends on continuing success and signing global stars, do not settle for less.
9 Remember that water runs downhill; middle ranking managers will turn you into a middle ranking team.
10 If you want to be the best, buy the best.

Aesop

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Shall be added in the next version of Aesop's fables.

REDFAITH

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Wow that must be your best fable yet Aesop

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Preach on brother. Every word is gospel

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Hallelujah brother

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27 Jul 2013 10:13:19
Is Ozil available? For 35M that we are going to bid for CF, I think it would be enough for Ozil too. (sorry for my english)

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Your English is better than most of the English speakers on here. ;)

Da Rob Man.

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27 Jul 2013 09:53:06
Hello fellas.

I don't like much conspiracy theories. but still I would like to point 2 things
1) we have not made any other effort other than fab and baines. So I don't think any other position is under consideration. mind it I said position. not naming any player.
2) we are waiting to return of moyes to OT so he can have his p8cs with new players holdung red shirt.

Consuderung out leaky defence and in experience of smalling and jones. we need an establish center back also now. left back is always needed from last 3 seasons.

The way lingaard and zaha comming along I guess its one more season we can afford not to run desperatly after left footed winger. provided then get chance and WE don't FORCE TO SEE GIGGS IN ALL POSITIONS. TO FILL POSITIONS.

We should get hold of rooney as he still a star, EVEN HIS DULL PERFORMANCES IN THET POSITIONS OTHER THAN STRIKET IS BATTER than others. he is still a top dog as a striker.

And I don't think being first season of david moyes he has given pressure of winning trophies straight away by the board. by fans yes. but still lot many come up with WE SHOULD ALLOW HIM TIME. ITS ONLY HIS FIRST SEASON.

So if we still manage to sign a center back. a left back. 2 midfielders. and rooney. we have all chances to be compatible on every front. or else I guess we may finish decent in the league but not winning it in any case with same old guards and empty midfield

Rodio17

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27 Jul 2013 09:41:56
Just my opinion
Ok so transfers are dragging on abit, and isn't looking to good right now so let's go through a couple of things.
1. David moyes- it's all very new to him, the united way so it will take time to adapt and find his feet.
2. Transfers- when united came calling to a new player it was nearly all ways a dream for a player to come to old Trafford, but things have changed I. e big money else where and let's be honest when sir Alex liked a player just playing under the great one was more than enough for most, but now we have a new manager in and I'm afraid to say he hasn't got the draw like so Alex had : (
Don't expect to much this season but I like most live in hope and always follow.
Princey.

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Dear mr princey
ngiak tends to disagree
the last 5 to 7 years ngiak noticed that the "big" players snubbed Manchester United and sir alex generally for big money
the rare exception was mr van persie
that's why the current team has literally no big names and the likes of giggs has to play all games on promotional tours
there are simply no stars coming in for quite a few years
yes sir alex coped with it
but the squad now is aged and depleted
and if Rooney fletcher nani evra etc leave and giggs and rio on their last legs
it will certainly be a very poor squad for this season
it's time to splash the dough
there is simply no choice
gan

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It isn't the Man United way, it was the saf way, the times are a change, in

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I absolutely agree with GDS2. We are Manchester United and not some minor, wannabee outfit. Our new manager and Chief Exec may be new to Man United as a club but, they're not green in the ways of negotiating. I have no inside information but the fact that we continue bidding suggest very strongly that Fabregas's agent has tipped the wink to us and hope for Barca to agree a mutually agreeable fee.

If we had been advised he wasn't interested there is no way Moyes would have gone public. same as the situation with Rooney, same as Suarez.

Each player and agent is positioning themselves so as to not alienate themselves against the supporters (apart from Suarez!) and can say once the move has happened that their previous club didn't try and keep them hard enough.

I have to admit disappointment in not going for Thiago, but CF would be a fantastic signing along with Baines (which I believe is a stonewaller of a transfer already)

I also think we are going to go all out for Ronaldo. whether we get him or not will depend on Bale

I'm keen to hear like all posters that someone is coming in and I can appreciate the anxiety, stress and annoyance in many of the correspondents however, I do think that United wouldn't be employing anyone who was out of their depth, naive or stupid

I do look on here about 8 - 10 times a day and hope there's some development going on. I'll pretty much wager though that come the start of the season the squad will be boosted by 3 top players at least.

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27 Jul 2013 09:26:43
This is getting silly now not been able to attract anyone. We should be going for the players whom would jump at the chance to play for us and would cherrish wearing the shirt. These are the players whom are not coming for the money or as a stepping stone but whom are loyal and would give there 110% for the club on a weekly basis. So now let's move on and try for new players and see which one are the ones described above.

19JackC94

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Jack,

I am hearing from a reasonably reliable source that fabregas has told united he wants to play for us and if we can get barca to accept a bid he wants to sign for us. Once a bid is accepted the deal will go through pretty quickly, why do you think we are carrying on bidding?

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So after a summer of failure they can point at this as an example of trying their best. Not saying its true but it is a another possible reason for the public negotiations. Real talks tend to be quieter. -KG

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Your seeing what most other football fans thought we would see, your finding it hard to attract good players because Fergie has gone although I didn't think it would happen so quickly. This was always going to be the worry I suppose, nothing lasts forever boys and this is not me gloating I'm just stating what I believe to be true.

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Gds it was sarcasm right! ;-)

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No name,

There hasn't been a match yet and we have announced we are interested in one player and I think we might still get him. Your post is what you would like not what is realistic.

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27 Jul 2013 09:16:42
RedRosie, GDS2 and Honeybadger,

Firstly Red, I personally am not an Arsenal fan as I would of hoped was clear from my post. Did like the ammo in a gun line though, quality.

I wasn't giving Arsenal and excuse I was giving them a valid reason, which is why the likes of Everton and Newcastle don't win a great deal and why you have struggled in Europe over the last few seasons, I know I mentioned Arsenals 8 year drought and am appreciative that hasn't been the same for you, but my honest opinion is that you are as far behind in europe as they are you in the EPL.

Bear in mind that 4th to first in either case could become a way smaller gap if you both purchase well this window.

Honeybadger, you do yourself a disservice and insult my intelligence with your reply, which I'm pretty sure was not based on the relevant content of my post but previous posts from our sign off.

Which brings me to you GDS2, same sign off but not always the same poster, 13 in the company here and some hate Utd. Me personally don't hate any team, well bar Stoke, but that may change with Hughes there.

So my previous post was a genuine opinion of your banter with the Gooners, not yours GDS2 and Honeybadgers in particular, my first paragraph was directed at you two simply because you two do go around admonishing any negativity from Utd posters.

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We know it is just one person, grow up.

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27 Jul 2013 08:07:30
Last time I posted I forgot to leave a name. now I'm suitably named and ready to rumble.

My main interest is our prospective midfield signing/ (s). Fabregas will arrive, it's an inevitability. The comments made by barcas new boss only serves to appease the Catalan fans. He's got to be cautious regarding the club's best players now that he's just taken up his role. The bottom line is that CF wants to leave. Playing second fiddle for a 3rd season isn't acceptable for a player of his standard, dream club or not. He would do great things with man utd.

The fee will push 40, I suspect 38. Previously I thought 35, but it depends on how coy barca are and how Moyes and Woodward apply themselves.

There are several things that will happen in the transfer market:

Baines will sign for MU
Rooney will NOT leave MU (unless we sign fab and Chelsea fancy a >£30m bid)
Garay will NOT join MU
Fabregas will sign for MU

I think most of you on the site are hoping for a third signing but I think keeping Rooney would be best. If another signing is to be made it may be a young exciting winger to push our current stock. Valencia will come good this year with the competition of Zaha. Zaha I'm seriously excited about this guy has the potential to do anything. Young will get a fair bit of game time and will impress. Januzaj will get plenty of gametime and by next season will compete for a start.

all in all a seriously excited Manchester United fan!

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Morn might I just had delivery of my new man u away shirt bloody loverly very smart

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27 Jul 2013 00:50:34
New kits been looking nice. How about a black/gold third kit?

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Yellow and Black i'm thinking. Would look amazing. The White away kit from last season was the best looking kit we've had simce 2008

ALDUtd

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Stop now

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Personally I like the new away kit, and Kloot, just because you don't like the kit doesn't mean others can't.

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You are right Gilly and while you are it why don't you and your friends discuss Ronaldo's new hairstyle.

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27 Jul 2013 00:53:07
"Whoever we go for next will reject us"
Nomidfield

Well, we may as well not bother then. Let's all just pack up and go home.

Though you also said, "Fellaini it is then".

But by your logic stated above, if we bid for Fellaini, we'll not get him either.

I see the slightly more positive Nomidfield from the end of the season, has gone back to his previous incarnation, as the site's resident dark cloud.

Only Boarshawred, who I'm nearly certain is only trolling on here anyway, makes you look in anyway positive about what this club has, and still can, achieve.

Sadly symptomatic of today's impatient, 15 second soundbite society, that knows what they want, and demands that they have it right now.

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Morning Steviek. Thank you for your post. May I just say that I have never felt the need to critisize any of my fellow posters on their outlook in life, i. e. pessimistic, optimistic, realistic. We're all different and that's what makes life interesting.
However, if you are going to insist on doing this, then please have the decency not to take my posts out of context. When I wrote "whoever we go for next will reject us", it was part of a post that if we keep going for settled players, like fabregas, then they will reject us as they have no need to move clubs. So pls, let's keep a bit of civility on here.
I disagree with 99% of the stuff you write, but I don't feel the need to come on with character assassination.
Finally, I don't think the other posters come on here because they are interested in our views on life, they come here to talk about our beloved United. So try to keep your posts on United.
Much appreciated, have a great day, I'm off to play a nice game of golf in the sun and life is great.
Nomidfield

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Nomidfield is a flapper and we love him for it. The site wouldn't be the same without his pessimism. However I hope we are all happy by September 2nd. MU are a big club and the club will be well aware that big signings must be made this summer. I said that I believe the club will overpay for a player when we need to. I think this is the time and the club will be aware of it. Moyes replacing SAF and MU selling Rooney is massive, they will know that anything less than a couple big signings will damage the club mentally. I hope we get the players we want, but I know the club are trying hard. let's hope the interest pays off.

Sydney!

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I don't see how I've taken your quote out of context, mate.

It was a two line post. If you don't want quotes taken out of context, then embellish your points a little, and explain them, rather than just trying to come out with snappy, little soundbites of doom to play up to the rest of the 'knickers in a twist' brigade.

I am not commenting on your general outlook in life, so please don't be so precious. No more than you and the rest of them, accusing guys like me and others of sticking their heads in the sand and being blind to what's going on.

It's a comment on your outlook on Manchester United, which, I think most people can see, has hardly been bubbling with optimism since you made your first post.

I do appreciate that you are a fan though and can air your concerns, unlike Boarshawred, who I believe, comes on and acts like an Eyeore figure, with his one line doom-mongering nuggets of wisdom.

Now go and enjoy your golf, you miserable bugger, while some of us sweat in work :)

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Come on Nomidfield, you do have something of Victor Meldrew about you. I love your passion but we all know how you feel, you don't have to continually post it or you'll end up like boarshawred or Mr Condom. You're better than that mate

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Afternoon boys/girls. Nice game of golf in Portugal! Have we signed anyone while I've been out flogging my heart out on the golf course? No?
Realism is my motto, but if Moyes proves me wrong, then it will be my pleasure to eat 'humble' or whatever pie is handed out!
Hope we can get fabregas, but I can't see him coming. Hills we get bale or ronaldo, but I can't see them coming.
So hopefully we can get two good midfielders, if not, I'm all for playing our kids rather than buy average players like cabaye.
Enjoy your weekend!
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 23:23:58
Night guys, see you on Monday, nothing ever happens on Sundays.

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You never know Paulo!
Nomidfield

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It's Saturday. Nothing happen then either?

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You never know but the suits who do the deals don't work on weekends.

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26 Jul 2013 23:44:36
oh god I was on here a couple of weeks ago slating people for panicking and generally saying everything will be ok! now I am shi$$ing myself were not buying anyone. I hope all our business is done in one big lump otherwise we are in the brown stuff. I actually believe we could come out reasonably unscathed with the purchase of 1 reasonably talented midfielder, I really think we could paper over the cracks for another season if we have to. Heres to a very squeeky couple of weeks. Gulp

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Dean, I think most of us are feeling this way, but I'm sure we'll buy players soon. I hope they're going to be the right ones.
My only worry is that it is better to buy them earlier to integrate them within the team so they are ready for the start of the season, but we are cutting this fine as the season starts soon.
But on the flip side, if we do buy top players, then they can normally can aghast to new teams pretty well. But let's hope we can buy a couple of players soon.
Nomidfield

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I hope your right nomidfield, and you probably are. I think your spot on with the integration issue with the exception of RVP it usually takes a decent amount of time for anyone to settle at our club, after all we are united, a different animal to most clubs you only have to look at Scholesys comment to see that. I think there is a bit domino effect coming it will only take one transfer to go through any any of the elite clubs then it will go mad.
well heres hoping anyway!

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Dean Keep breathing that man huge big slow ones there's about a month to go you won't make it to the end the way you are going on

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26 Jul 2013 23:36:48
I'd like to point out that I am starting to detect the slight wiff of snobbery on this page. Especially toward a certain Yohan Cabaye.

Now he is far from my first choice, but his is equally as far from a bad choice. He has been one of the best midfielders in the league over the last couple of years. But people have been swept up in the grandure of Cesc and similar big name players being linked and now feel Cabaye wouldn't be an improvement on our current midfield.

Wakey wakey people, he was awesome in his first season and had a solid if unspectacular season last year. But bear in mind he had a couple of disruptive injuries and he was playing in a Newcastle side that had tanked and only just came good enough to avoid relegation in the last month of the season.

Statistically he did more work defensively than Carrick while also managing more key passes and shots. Although Carrick was the more prolific and accurate passer. I know Stats don't tell the whole story, but they do give an indication.

I'm not saying we should go and sign Cabaye, but if Cesc isn't available then we will have limited other options. Dortmund won't let Gundogan leave, Ancelotti is a huge fan of Modric and tried to sign him at both Chelsea and PSG so is unlikely to sell him.

So Cabaye is a solid, cheap and Prem proven alternative that some on here may find themselves back peddling if we do sign him. {Ed007's Note - And I wonder how many would take James McCarthy now Shappy.....

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27 Jul 2013 07:23:51
So we started off thinking we could get Ronaldo or Bale, then Thiago or Fabregas, now Cabaye. ! At this rate by the end of August we'll be talking about Fellaini and Charlie Adam!

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27 Jul 2013 07:32:13
I know bond, i've always thought McCarthy a very good player. I just didn't think he was worth the 20m+ that Wigan wanted for him. At around 12m he would be an excellent signing. I just get alittle tired of this view that people have about certain players because their not a big name signing, or as they say "not world class".

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It's no secret I am probably his biggest fan on here and would love him here but any CMer we get in now that's not universally agreed on here as 'world class' will be subject to rough ride. Cabaye, Fellaini, etc etc are players that will improve us simple as that. They MAY not be as big a name as Cesc or Shweinstiger but who cares? They are massively better than bringing defenders forward or pulling strikers back or wingers in etc! We need CMers to play against CMers! We are over run in pretty much every game and only through having RVP as clinical as he is and sorting our defence out with a change in tactics (which was totally anti Utd and sit on our box but helped out DDG in the end) did we win the league IMO.

We need to move with the times and I have said about the need for 2 CMers for three summers. Many believed 1 was enough and that a specific individual is the only answer but in truth all these players, Cesc, Vidal, Cabaye, Fellaini have all moved within that same period and we are looking at paying 2-3x what they went for just recently.

IMO SAF stubborness has left Moyes in this position where he wants the best but we know the best are not readily available and if we end up with two players of a slightly lesser standing but in general terms still a big improvement on our current team then we cannot complain!

I would love Vidal and Shweinstiger but if Fellaini and Cabaye are what we get instead a CM three of them and Carrick gives us great options to mix it up and makes us favourites IMO for the league and a massively better chance in the CL.

People need to open there eyes and take off the red tinted glasses. Our CM is terrible and we can improve it massively with hundreds of players and I for one would prefer to play natural CMers signed from the likes of Everton or Newcastle in there than EVER bring players out of position to cover. A club as big as ours shouldn't be hanging on to deadwood like Ando and hoping he can come good after 6 years instead should be buying top quality players and using players like Cleverly as the squad players they are!

I am all for promoting our youth btw and giving the youngsters a chance as I was with saying to shove Pogba in etc but we don't have any at a level in CM that can help us now so we need to buy and cover the next 3-4 years and IMO Cabaye and Fellaini however far from 'world class' people think could be just as good as paying an extra 20+m on Cesc or whoever!

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I gave this post quite a lot of thought. my initial reaction was you were aiming too low and in a previous post I said I didn't think cabaye was good enough.

however, after I gave some more consideration to what kind of player cabaye is, I think him and Carrick could actually be quite an effective pairing, especially with kagawa playing in front of them.

I was thinking back to games in the last few years when Carrick and scholes used to keep possession and move the ball up field between then two of them. I could see cabaye and Carrick combining in the same way. cabaye has got a decent shot on him as well so if he can get further forward and play off kagawa he could get a decent number of goals.

he's also a French international so has experience of playing at the top level.

most importantly, I think if utd went in for him he'd be mega keen to leave Joe kinnears mad kebab shop

£15 -£18 mill?

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No ed, no no no

Brendan81 {Ed007's Note - ****Cue Jedi Mind Trick**** 'McCarthy would improve the team'.......'He is better than Cleverley'......

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Jono

The best post on here for quite some time and 100% agree with everything you said. Both players are miles better than what we have currently in the team and would give us a genuine chance of winning trophies on all fronts.

IMO we still have the best goalie, the best group of defenders and very good group of strikers in the league. This is SAF laundry that has been left behind for DM to deal with and hard to undo 4 years in 3 weeks.

Shahram

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"These are not the midfielders you are looking for"

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Still no ed, pay millions to improve very slightly, not worth it.

Brendan81

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26 Jul 2013 22:14:28
Read this line. but don't vote until you read the rest:

Either Fabregas hands in a request or. we want Arsenal to bid for Fabregas!

Easy when you think about it. If Barca have to accept a bid for £25m, they would be then stupid to not accept ours of £30-35m. It would then be down to the player. I don't think Barca would let him go without either of the above.

Why are Arsenal not doing anything? Because they know this.

And why would they therefore not be doing anything if they wanted the player? Because the player wouldn't want them!

They aren't bidding possibly because they know that them bidding would activate a transfer wrangle and Cesc would come to us! Anyway, that's my theory and it makes sense to be fair!

SB {Ed007's Note - Have you seen our TalkConspiracy site?

http://www.talkconspiracy.co.uk/

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Perhaps, perhaps not. Wenger stated weeks ago, that cesc would not being anywhere this season, but hinted about next season.

They speak regularly on the phone.

That's why arsenal were quiet over cesc imo. Wenger already knows cesc's intentions.

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