Manchester United Banter Archive May 27 2018

27 May 2018 20:54:29
Its all very opposing opinions at the moment with our fans.

One side can pick out postives of a situation that the otber side can use as negatives!

I was happier this time last season than i am now BUT i'm still behind the team and manager (even if some say its blind faith) .

Transfer window coming up, could go either way but i'm still lookin forward to first game of next season.

27 May 2018 22:14:24
I get all the comments saying we should be playing more attacking add attracting football.

I understand that we should be playing more attacking I'm one of the few that is in the Jose in camp

but I think Jose has come in and done a job both seasons he's been here.

It's prob took longer than even he himself expected to actually have a team who can challenge on all fronts and tbh we are prob around 5 or 6 players off being at that level.

Regardless of money. Take that out the debate we have needed a massive over haul and upgrade on the majority of the club from players to the staff and the whole running of the club especially since gill and fergie left.

That being said Jose has a way just like every other manager that's what separates them all. Not on manager has the same footballing brain.

Have a little faith we haven't been that bad. I would be a total fool if I didn't agree with most people on the way we play the majority of the time but I still back the manager.

Prob hasn't helped that city have been on another planet but o well there's always next year 😁

There are areas for improvement and I'm sure the manager knows that.

Players haven't performed consitantky enough.

Hopefully the new assistant/ Not assistant manager can breath new life into the players a batch of new players and a good ore season and were good to go.

27 May 2018 22:27:27
Yes bolger, agree mate!

27 May 2018 11:49:15
Just wanted to ask.
Would you like to see the club buy milinkovic savic even at the cost of lossing pogba?
pogba is a very talented player no doubts, but he seems to lack that extra effort or sometimes just looks uninterested. personally, i would live to see him improve his performances next season, hopefully in a 3 man midfield.

27 May 2018 12:30:29
Pogba hasn't been that bad.

Yeah he's been inconsistent but so has the rest of the team.

When we were free flowing at the start of the season he looked amazing.

The injuries to himself and Bailly had a massive knock on effect. Them 3 draws in a row and the loss to city really effected us

But if we can keep the spine of the team injury free and sign a few players.

Play like we did at the start of the season and we will see the best of pogba.

I don't agree with this let's sell him.

He's a fantastic player on his day and olif we were to get rid of him we will just be taking a step backwards.

Build the team around pogba not get rid.

27 May 2018 12:31:29
Wouldn't miss him, I have to say, but that's not the same as wanting him gone. I'd have them both but if I HAD to choose it would be Savic.

27 May 2018 12:35:21
I’d like to see Pogba play with all the tools to succeed then I can make a informed decision. Improve the defence / midfields and see if he performs without tactical restraints etc.

27 May 2018 12:37:49
Marcelo - I've never seen SMS play so it's hard to comment to be honest.

The same can be said for Fred but from what I've read he's a tenacious player with great stamina. He's good on the ball and also a good dribbler. He's deployed in a midfield 2 for Shaktar so he could easily anchor our midfield next to Matic and also have the ability to start attacks from deep and drive us forward from midfield.

I've always believed that Mourinho's preferred formation is 4-2-3-1. I think he was hoping he could mould Pogba into playing a more disciplined role but unfortunately this hasn't materialised. Pogba is a fantastic player with some brilliant attributes but he doesn't sense danger and it's hard to label exactly what kind of player he is.

I fear the arrival of Sanchez has further complicated Pogba's role in the team as he's often dropped too deep and occupied Pogba's space. I've seen little evidence of this problem resolving itself as the season progressed. We've predominantly played a 3 man midfield since Sanchez arrived, primarily in an attempt to release Pogba and get the best out of him. This hasn't worked because Sanchez has often occupied his space and Lingard has been moved wide right making him less effective as well.

I'm not convinced 4-3-3 is going to be the way forward. For Pogba to be at his best he needs the wide men to keep wide and make runs forward creating the space for him in midfield. Sanchez won't do this and prefers the ball into feet congesting and occupying Pogba's space. Lingard has been ineffective on the right. He has often come inside too soon further contesting the middle and leaving us with no width. We are then reliant on playing intricate little one twos and short passes which isn't really Pogba's game. He prefers space to drive into carrying the ball forward and looking for runners in behind. As the defence retreat he can shoot at goal. He's much more suited to Martial or Rashford playing wide left than Sanchez.

I think it will be interesting to see how we line up next year. I think Lingard probably deserve's his chance at No 10, Sanchez always looks more effective with players in and around him where he can play quick one twos and feed off others.

I think we'll probably start next season playing 4-2-3-1. I think if Pogba is still at the Club he'll start next to Matic in midfield where he'll have to deliver what Mourinho expects. I think if he doesn't and we sign Fred he could well find himself out of the team.

I think Mourinho has grown tired and frustrated with a lot of players. I fully expect him to return to how he wants to play rather than changing his preferred system to get the best out of others. He can rectify this with his signings this summer. Fascinating window ahead.

27 May 2018 12:49:36
A lot of our fans forget how good pogba and the team in general were up until christmas.

Pogba looked every bit the midfield player that we wanted at the start of the season.

Once alexis sanchez arrived and kept giving the ball away every two minuted ans dropping so deep youd think he was playing sweeper that pogbas form went off of a cliff.

27 May 2018 13:13:26
Not sure selling Pogba, who was our old shiny new signing and ditching him for another is the way forward.

Personally, if Fred is the box to box mid we need, I’d play him and Matic and put Pog at 10 to cause havoc further up the pitch like Dele does at Spurs.

27 May 2018 13:17:07
This comes down to Jose. It’s clear that he fell out with Pogba during the season because he wasn’t performing as part of the two dms. There’s no point in keeping him if Jose wants to play his preferred system. However, there’s nobody out there willing to stump up the cash to buy him. Unless he has an amazing World Cup, I can’t see Pogba anywhere but here next season.

27 May 2018 13:19:39
Would be a massive mistake selling pogba. Bags of talent and he will go on to be one of the best midfielders in the world. He has a lot to work on but the raw talent is their at his disposal. I have seen Milinkovic-Savic play a lot this year as I have been watching serie A regularly and he is the star midfielder along with Jorginho in that league. Has all the attributes much like pogba - strength, vision, ball control and ability to score goals. They can play together so I would love to see them in a three man midfield, pogba on the left and savic on the right.

People criticise pogba but statistically he is better than he was at Juve. I know stats are misleading but I feel the reason why he is getting stick is because united aren’t winning the big trophies. At Juve we only really saw highlight reels of his outrageous goals but in reality he still went missing during games. He is lucky he had Pirlo and Vidal next to him and bonucci and chiellini to rely on when he gave the ball away. He does need to improve consistency but that is also down to how Jose deploys him. He must find a way of fitting Sanchez and pogba into the team otherwise we will see the same problems cropping up again. Interested to see what he decides to do. I like 3 at the back and two up top with 3 in midfield.

27 May 2018 18:32:20
Anyone remember when Steve Gerrard was playing some of his best football behind the strikers at Lpool under Rodgers?

Thats the position for Pogba, tight in behind them, not in his own half. problem now Sanchez is in his way - the midfield and the defence would have to be stronger but I would like to see him there.

27 May 2018 09:59:02
Which overhead kick was better Ronaldo or Bale's? .

Too close to call but i will edge it with Ronaldo i think his one was more powerful.

27 May 2018 10:05:14
Bale’s for sure. On the biggest stage as well. Magnifique.

27 May 2018 10:06:43
Good questi N Singh, it I’m not sure They are easily comparable. Ronaldo was a text book scissor kick, incredible height and power, very very impressive. Bales was more instinctive, he found himself back to goal and launched himself, it wasn’t a scissor kick, it was a creative attempt to direct the ball at the goal. Oth brilliant.

27 May 2018 10:22:43
Anyone remember Trevor Sinclair's?

Rooney's is the greatest of all time for me. I think Bale's was better than Ronaldo's. There must be no greater feeling, especially coming off the bench, handled himself well as well in the interview.

27 May 2018 10:23:55
Bale for me. The ball looked like it was travelling a bit faster to him so the adjustment was unbelievable. Still no Trevor Sinclair though haha.

27 May 2018 10:26:35
Ronaldo's shouldn't even be in the same conversation as Bales.

Gareth Bale just redefined his entire career with that goal.

I can't be bothered to talk about the strike itself because it's been done to death but Rio Ferdinand sums it up perfectly, he quite simply had no right to even try and take that on.

27 May 2018 11:05:05
Bales the ball came at him a lot faster,

27 May 2018 11:53:51
Go look at Hugo Sanchez on YouTube. He used to score overhead kicks every other game. (Showing my age) 😆😆.

27 May 2018 12:06:01
Bales was better, it was against Liverpool 😉.

27 May 2018 13:32:39
Rooney's. Every time.

27 May 2018 15:09:41
Rooneys came off his shin.

27 May 2018 16:21:44
But he had to leave the ground, FZZ 😁.

27 May 2018 21:55:07
be nice to see bale do it for united next season.

27 May 2018 22:50:54
Bfro you are right mate hugo Sanchez must have scored loads like that he was class.

28 May 2018 02:08:24
I would love Bale but i am scared for his injuries. If he can stay injury free he would probably win was more games then Pogba would even pogba stayed fit all season based on this season's form.

28 May 2018 14:35:56
Best of all time has to be Zlatans against England.

27 May 2018 08:14:01
I know it’s an emotional sport but why do so many grown men start blubbing when they lose? Get a grip, it’s a game, a sport. I know the stakes are high, and it’s a dream, and it might be a once in a lifetime chance, blah blah blah, but so many of them sobbing is pathetic. This isn’t about Liverpool it’s pretty much players of every club.

There are plenty of things to cry about, losing a game of football isn’t one of them.

27 May 2018 08:45:12
I was ranting in the house about grown men acting like girls. Then that poor bugger in goals took it to a whole new level, and tried to catch a ball like one as well 😁.

27 May 2018 09:42:01
I atleast get AJH's sentiment, but nou that is just straightout casual sexism, calm it down mate this ain't 1950's anymore.

27 May 2018 09:57:32
It was always going to be out which of the comedy goal keeper will have a better game.

27 May 2018 10:07:40
Csm, I can’t decide if you are joking or not. I do think Dtebie is strong though, I think Karius was more like a big girl’s blouse.

27 May 2018 10:57:21
AJH nothing against what you said, you don't think people should cry over football fair enough but saying something like he is crying like a girl or throwing like a girl is textbook sexism, as i said we don't live in the 1950's anymore and such statements should not be encouraged.

{Ed007's Note - Hahahahaha! Bless, what a delicate wee flower you are.}

27 May 2018 11:33:44
CSM, I tend to judge a person by their actions, not words. I said that to my wife and she just rolled her eyes and smiled. Does that make her an accomplice?

27 May 2018 11:38:12
I don't take offence to girls cry comment because it's a fact girls cry more than men. Plus the expression relates more to crying like a little girl not a full grown women! although AHH I disagree with the comment and think men are allowed to cry there eyes out in that situation :p.

27 May 2018 21:56:40
that was only when she asked you to do the dishes stevie lol.

28 May 2018 14:41:53
I think a bigger issue is that men are criticised for showing their emotions and get told not to act like a girl. The biggest killer of men under 45 is themselves. If you are male and under 45 the most likely way you will die is suicide. Any statement that helps to propagate this antiquated viewpoint is backwards so csm I'm with you all the way and good for you for calling out sexist comments.

28 May 2018 19:08:48
If you knew me and the troubles I've had, 12days, you'd realise just how far off the mark you are, mate. Doesn't mean I can't joke about it. And we really shouldn't be judging people we don't know, or have never met.

29 May 2018 09:39:27
I'm not judging you man, how can I don't know anything about you other than what I see on here. I'm just a little sensitive around issues like that. Sorry if I offended you mate, never ever my intention.

27 May 2018 06:59:52
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 27 May 2018

27 May 2018 08:38:25
Fair play for making the effort to write that, considering, Ed.

{Ed001's Note - it is not half as bad as writing the match review will be!}

27 May 2018 09:29:25
True. Still, a massive over-achievement by them.

27 May 2018 09:23:16
Great review Ed.
Again I am betting that Lampard will be a great manager in time to come. Giggs is definitely a better player than Lampard but I have a feeling that Lampard will be a much better manager than Giggs. Time will tell.
I feel Neymar wants more money playing for City than his wish player for Pep. Sidetracked positioning 🤣.
On the CR7 CL naming, you’ve got to be kidding right Ed? Did he really suggested that? What a dumb kid. Should never show such arrogance even if you’re the best player in the world. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤣.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair Ronaldo was clearly joking.}

27 May 2018 09:32:59
Phew 😅
I thought he lost his mind 🤣 and that would be sad.

27 May 2018 15:38:40
Messi must be from another planet then eh 666Red?

27 May 2018 02:00:15
Question - which side is greater:

Zidane’s real
Guardiola’s barca

Difficult one but I think zidane’s real shade it for me. Unbelievable achievement of 3 champions leagues. And adding la decimal under Ancelotti; 4 champions leagues in 5 years. Utter dominance and cementing then as one of the true great teams of all time.

Personally, I loved our 08 united team and if we had kept hold of Ronaldo and Tevez then I think we would have two or three more champions leagues. That was my favourite side and I think they could have rivalled the two mentioned above.

27 May 2018 05:37:11
I think the champions league has lost a bit of its pizzazz. If you asked me at the start of every season what would you like to win, it would be the league all day long.

The European cup has a special place in everyone's heart but I don't think it's the be all and end all of football anymore.

When you won the European cup you were recognised as the best team in Europe, but over the last 10 or 15 years that clearly isn't the case.

Liverpool won it in 2005. Where they the best team in Europe that year? They weren't even the best team in Liverpool with Everton finishing above them. Poor teams have won the competition.

The great European team's win the champions league and their domestic league in the same season. Us in 99 and 08. Bayern doing the treble in 13, barcelona 09, 11 and 15 Madrid in 17.

That Barcelona team would play this Madrid off the park. In terms of decent teams, I think the last couple of years have been quite weak in terms of quality.

27 May 2018 06:05:28
Mumbles I agree fully with you.
I think the main and major objective of the club is to really win the League before anything else. That is the sole reason of the existence of the club. Then we can prioritize other competitions like FA Cup and the rest of local competition. The last would really be CL I feel.
Mind you this is not being sour grapes or what. Rather I feel a question has to be asked of all the British clubs including the City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spursand etc. Try should be measured on their being which position in the table. Of course the PL title would be the best and that should encourage other clubs to try harder for the title and local competitions. After all that then perhaps CL will be challenged . Of course in terms of priority perhaps CL comes after the PL title. What’s big deal if you win CL and end up 6-8 position in table? I feel the club would look a little ridiculous winning Europe title but lost out in local competition. Just doesn’t makes sense for me.
My view is the following in terms of achievements:
1) PL title
2) CL title
3) FA Cup
4) Carabao Cup
I know some will strongly disagree. I will accept that as different people will view different titles/ cups with different priorities. I love to hear opinions.

27 May 2018 08:05:19
The last time a team that was not necessarily a ‘big’ name won it was Porto in 2004 and since then it has become a smaller and smaller group competing for the prize. The League format favours the very big teams as they can slip up but still qualify for the knock out stages. It is all about money and trying to fend off the clubs creating their own European Super League.

Look at the decade before the Champions Legaue when it was still the European Cup. Bucharest, Eindhoven, Hamburg, Red Star Belgrade all won it and Sampdoria, Marseille, and Benfica all reached the final. I will bey you whatever sum you want that none of those teams will win the Champions League in the next 30 years.

As I’ve said several times I am slowly but surely falling out of love with this game. Ultimately it is a sport but t has been swallowed by corporate greed. The prices Liverpool fans had to pay for tickets and accommodation were obscene. The fees players get bought for, the wages they earn, the endless sponsorship with anyone who will cough up a fee, agents, kick off times, the list goes on. Sadly the game is governed by people with vested interests, is there a more corrupt organisation than FIFA?

We’re all doomed.

27 May 2018 08:44:18
Valverde's Barcelona have just finished 14 points above Zidane's Real Madrid in La Liga.
Pep won 14 major trophies in four seasons.
Zidane though has won 8 in two seasons! And he gets criticized!
It's amazing when you think of their ability and mentality to win those trophies.
We can dream I suppose.
Worth noting that Premier League/ La Liga winners receive approximately ten times more than Champions League winners in prize money.
The Champions League is a bit of a bizarre sideshow to the normal league season. The format is odd. It takes a certain kind of mentality and skillset to win it. Real Madrid have got it down to a tee.

{Ed002's Note - Nonsense - where do you get this from about the winnings. Twitter I suppose. You would do best to avoid things you don't understand.}

27 May 2018 08:51:55
Mumbles and Tony have got it spot on. I actually don't like the competition at all. I much prefer winning the PL. The CL has become a showcase for the elite teams in Europe. The surprise element has gone out of it.

27 May 2018 09:12:24
Tony, funny you should say that about falling out of love with the game. My dad said the same to me many years back. And last night, i was discussing this with another old friend, and we said the same. I think we're turning into our fathers!
Park, i really enjoy reading your posts as they're balanced. But I'm afraid we're nowhere near challenging City. We are so weak in so many positions. Cb, rb, lb, cm (need two), rw and another cf. That's an outlay of more than £400m. Then Mourinho has to change his tactics and gel the team, something he's not been good at in the two years he's been here. So i think, it is City's title again with ourselves, liverpool and chelsea playing for other top4 places.

27 May 2018 09:31:07
This next season has to be the key one for Jose.
He has to buy a couple of defenders and strengthen that and mount a strong challenge or win the PL. barring that he has to consider his future at ManUtd.
There isn’t only so much patience in everyone.

27 May 2018 09:45:22
Got to say mumbles I actually agree with you I would much rather win the league than the champions league. When we were winning leagues for fun under sir alex it seemed like a formality but now I am desperate to win the league again. Especially with there being potentially 6 teams which can win it, the stakes and bragging rights are much higher. Champions league used to be the ultimate prize for me but it does seem that only a handful of teams are winning it with ease.

AAA perhaps you are right I would say city are outright favourites next season. But I do feel with a new defence we will close the gap considerably. I feel city’s ceiling is much smaller than ours because we have so many areas we can improve whilst they are closer to the finished article. Teams will now know somewhat how to play against them so I expect them not to have it all their own way. Apart from a handful full of our players, the majority massively under achieved so if we get them playing to their potential we will have a very decent team. I do see where you are coming from and perhaps I am being a deluded optimist! We shall see where we are in December because I may well be on the Jose out wagon 😂.

27 May 2018 09:45:25
Got to be honest I don't think Madrid looked all that good last night .

27 May 2018 09:45:46
Pep Barcelona would stuff them imo.

27 May 2018 10:07:09
Jred it felt like this real side is coming to the end of the cycle. Great individuals but this team needs fresh blood in attack and midfield. Think they will have a huge spree this summer. I actually think city would have beaten them if they got to the final.

27 May 2018 10:13:33
Good to see you back Ed 002, sorry if I did my maths wrong but I genuinely thought Real Madrid pocketed £15M for winning last night and City won £150M go winning the Premiership. If I've got the numbers wrong, maybe you could tell me who won what etc as I'd be interested. Maths was never my strong point. I've never used Twitter or anything like that but I do like coming on here for a bit of banter and interesting information.

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to ex

27 May 2018 11:15:10
Jred I thought Real were very good last night. It was a very classy and accomplished performance in my opinion. Funny how people view the same game so differently.

27 May 2018 12:04:26
I think prize money alone they'll receive around £45m. Then you must consider extra gate money for the extra games. Potential sponsorship clauses being triggered for reaching final and other money I'm sure.

26 May 2018 23:54:48
Scouse Gk howlers made me piss myself laughing. I'm weeing myself laughing. Liverpool, the gift that keeps giving. 😂😂😂.

27 May 2018 01:36:48
Thought they just told Karius “You WILL Walk Alone”.
Can’t understand how they can compare Karius to DDG! Such blindness. I think they are a 1-man Mo team.
Am sure they feel sad but I think they have done well to get to where they are now.

27 May 2018 09:14:30
If klopp can get a good gk, then liverpool will be in much better position next year.

27 May 2018 21:54:51
Got to feel for the poor lad though - he looked absolutely devastated and possibly end of a top flight career?

Liverpool did well to get there but ultimately beaten by the better team.