Manchester United Banter Archive May 27 2019

 

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27 May 2019 16:41:27
Hello. To any of the eds and posters, what's your view on developing Dalot as a RW?

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27 May 2019 17:12:54
Probably because he can cross.

Although maybe we could do something radical and sign an actual winger.

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27 May 2019 17:13:31
Is this because we have such an abundance of quality at the right back position currently?

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27 May 2019 17:22:14
We are being linked to AWB of Crystal Palace. Won't that hamper DD development?

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27 May 2019 17:59:40
He can play lb and rb, he should get plenty of game time regardless of who we sign.

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27 May 2019 18:50:14
My point exactly. Unless Dalot is a complete waste of time, we invested £20m in a shiny new teenage signing last season. I’d buy a proper right back, like Meunier as mentioned, and let him learn the trade playing and rotating with him. Jose said he’d be one of the best full backs in the game in a few years, and he knows a thing or two about defenders!

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27 May 2019 20:05:30
I agree Eric. Best way forward I think. Dalot showed flashes last season.

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27 May 2019 21:37:59
Why is it we cannot have two young fullbacks/ wingbacks vying for the same position. Like it’s already been stated both would get plenty of game time, we should go for quality and longevity and competition for a place in the team is healthy and could help push each other on, a more senior pro may have more confidence from the manager in terms of experience and hamper a younger player knowing this.
Has anyone heard we won’t win anything with kids?

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27 May 2019 23:14:29
Nelly i couldn't agree more. Personally i think 2 high quality full backs for each side is ideal.
In a 50 plus games a season there is plenty of game time available. It brings healthy competion.
The caveat is that they must be able to play in the same system.
I think meunier with his ability and experience is a better option than wan bissika at the prices quoted.
Id like to see shaw have a serious challenge at lb to spur him on.
Shaw showed really good improvement but i think his standard dropped and he coasted the last 6 games. There is more in his locker if and only if he gets and stays super and i mean super fit.
I like tierny aa an 2nd lb. I think he has a big future.
But with young staying put and dalot being solid at lb there are more presssing positions to fill.
We need a squad with players that can all play 25 to 30 games a season and not be exposed.
Jones can't stay fit. Rojo is hopeless. They need to be sold with lindelof smalling tuanzebe and 1 new cb being good options.
Again in an ideal world 2 new cb but that seems very unlikely in today's market although there has been mention of the lad at Norwich and a young lad from stoke.
Youth is great but you need a mix and 2 or 3 experienced heads are needed particularly in defence.

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28 May 2019 00:52:38
I hope we get Wan Bissaka at right back, and Dalot rotates in at LB and RB. Young as 4th choice for next year.

I know that many would like to see half the squad shipped out. But if two leave from the back, Rojo and Darmian, two from the middle, Fellaini and Herrera, and two from the front, Sanchez and Lukaku, that is all we can expect in one summer.

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28 May 2019 16:47:00
If we spend 50 or 60 mill on bissaka plus 20 mill on wages it won't be to sit on the bench.

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27 May 2019 14:00:12
What do we think United strategy is? And what style of play and formation in 19/ 20 and beyond?
Do we see 3 at the back with more attack minded full backs? Would that get the best out of our center backs?
Then 3 in midfield and two up top?
Has anybody seen Joao Felix play? What type of player is he? And where would he fit in?
Is Daniel James seen as a wingback? Winger? Or one of a front three?
We definitely need a more mobile midfield - so how do we get the best out of Pogba? Or do we get rid?
Interested to get the groups and Ed’s thoughts.

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27 May 2019 14:23:26
For me I’d like to go to a 4-4-2 old school Man Utd be solid from the get go. Run people off the park.

Joao felix looks to a very very good player and has a lot of potential but people need only look at Martin odegaard he was in a similar boat and now he’s no where.

I think Daniel James will be a winger or wing forward. Wing back isn’t something I’d think Man Utd would look to play.

I think we need to get someone similar to Kante to then allow pogba to flourish. Like a gueye sort of player but i also think he’s more trouble than he’s worth and if I was manager and got 100 million I’d shake there hand and help pack his bags.

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27 May 2019 15:42:11
I would go for a 4-3-3 formation.
This will give more control in midfield.

If we sign a more mobile defensive midfielder like Kante and a top midfielder like Saul Niguez, then Pogba will flourish.
Right now all the forward passes and creative play comes from Pogba.
That's why we need a midfielder like Saul or Veratti to give more quality in the middle of the park.

Additionally, our current forwards Lukaku and Martial do not make enough forward runs for the midfield to pick a pass.
The signing of Daniel James will definitely inject serious pace and our team will be even more threatening in counter attacks.

A right sided attacker and a RB like Wan Bissaka would massively improve the squad.

Finally a top centre-half who can play out from the back and partner Lindelof will round out a good transfer window.

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28 May 2019 01:06:39
4-3-3 would be the simplest option. As for three in the back, we barely have one center back who is consistent in Lindelof, let alone three. That said, Dalot would be an ideal wingback.

Joao Felix looks very impressive, from what I have seen of him. A Portuguese friend of mine told me he reminds him of Rui Costa. Seems like a skillful and clever player, who has a good frame that he will grow into. But I am guessing he will go to Atletico Madrid, or else stay put for another year.

As True Red said, if we get a good defensive mid behind Pogba, it will help tremendously. Hope he stays.

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27 May 2019 12:22:51
There is no doubt that a new CB should be top of our priorities this transfer window and i tend to agree with Ed that's mdl is not it. He may turn out to be a great centre half in 5 years time but to expect a 19 year old to be our defensive kingpin having never played in the premiership would be a big risk.
I know I will get pelters for this but I still believe that we should be targeting maguire. He is premiership battle hardened and with the amount of international football he is going to be playing in the next few years he is only going to improve especially having a former international centre back as his manager. At mid 20s he is the right age and I just can't understand why people say that he might be good enough for England but he isn't good enough for utd.
I recently had a look at a 10 min YouTube clip of jaou Felix. No doubt that he is a skilful player but in my view he looks a bit of a skinny 19 year old who, like depay, might struggle to adapt to the intensity of the premiership. Again therefore I think that meeting the asking price of 105 million would be a huge risk and that better and less risky value could be held elsewhere.

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27 May 2019 14:44:10
Allan, i could not disagree more. Have you actually seen de Ligt play and lead? He is absolutely made for our league. Even jaap Stam has said that, and he knows a thing or two about central defence.
De Ligt is head and shoulders above all central defenders bar vvd, Ramos, Verane and Alderweild. Ramos and Alderweild are in their 30s leaving de Ligt as the best defender around.
In 2 years, he'll be the best.

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27 May 2019 14:46:44
Because no one seriously expects England to challenge. The world cup was a total fluke borne by the fact that the only good team we played won both games.

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27 May 2019 14:49:28
Also, joào Felix is already better than any attack minded midfielder around. It makes me laugh when i read that players are not bulky or strong enough for PL. It reminds me of players in 70s and 80s. Times have changed. Silva and Silva at City, Salah at Liverpool, Erickson at Spurs. Non of these are body builders, yet they are the best players in the PL. You don't need to be built like Fellaini to compete in PL, in fact, the opposite is true.

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27 May 2019 15:38:05
AAA totally agree

We need agile players with guts and guile who can beat a man and cross the fe**** ball.

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27 May 2019 15:50:10
Joao Felix along with Sancho and Vinicius Jr are probably the best attacking prospects in world football under the age of 20.

IMO Maguire struggles against pace and mobile attackers most of the time. His main strengths are areal duels and being comfortable on the ball.
For a reported 65m plus fee, we need a commanding established CB like Koulibaly or a top prospect like De Ligt who can offer more than a decade of service.

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27 May 2019 17:16:20
Reddevilfan, we've been making the mistake of buying big players for years, Fellaini, Pogba, Lukaku, Matic. These kind of players do not have any versatility, they're being found out in our league as more technically gifted and smaller players are running rings round them. The future cannot be about buying big bulky players in midfield and attack, we need clever, gifted players who can create goals and turn in tight spaces.

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27 May 2019 17:18:00
I'd maybe go Alderweireld for a short term fix. Bring on Tuanzebe. Try for de Ligt or look for an alternative.

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27 May 2019 18:53:07
Two of Rojo, Bailly, Smalling and Jones need to be sold before we go in for Alderweireld although I’d take de Ligt and him in a heartbeat with Axel and Lindelof.

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27 May 2019 23:10:06
A name that hasn’t come up is Kristopher Ajer he plays for Celtic and still quite young but also a very good centre back with good ability on the ball. Think at 6ft 5 he will win some headers too.

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28 May 2019 05:07:21
Ajer is norweigian, and if any good norweigian players comes up I believe Ole would be the first to know.

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27 May 2019 07:41:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 27th May 2019

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27 May 2019 10:08:45
Congratulations are in order for Atalanta and Gasperini. They have been one of the best 3_4 sides in the last 2 or 3 years and now finally have something to prove it. Hope the extra fixtures and European excursion doesn't disrupt their side. They are one of the more entertaining sides in Europe right now IMO.

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27 May 2019 17:55:29
I remember you called out Gasperini as one of the better managers out there a while back, Ed. Fair play.

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{Ed001's Note - good memory mate, I find him very impressive, he has worked wonders there.}

27 May 2019 02:07:13
Having watched the legends match today it made me realise that the team of 99 had two qualities that our current team does not. Firstly huge desire to win every ball (personified by seeing three Bayern players try and fail miserably to get the ball off him) and secondly the guile and instinctive understanding of how and when to switch play with long crossfield passes.

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27 May 2019 09:09:54
That's been the best performances at Old Trafford so far this season. Stam, Neville, Scholes and Beckham would walk into this current team.

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27 May 2019 09:39:29
Salford, this is something Wolves have done all season to great affect (switching the ball) . They did it against us in the FA Cup and out lazy players had no interest in shuffling across to the other side of the pitch. It’s an old tactic that still works well for teams with good passes of the ball, which Wolves have lots of.

In the 90’s we used to have Becks and Giggs hugging the touchline with Scholes pinging it around. It’s great to watch. Becks wasn’t too bad with that right foot either.

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27 May 2019 09:54:13
Mort alas you are right because very often our current team does little more than walk. Wazza wasn't it sad to see how far we have fallen. We get more enjoyment watching a team of players who with the greatest respect are passed it (delib misspelt past) than the current crop.

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27 May 2019 10:13:24
Stam was a unit at the back. When he walked Janker and Ze Reberto out of the box by the hand it was hillarious.
Scholesy still can't tackle.
Dennis Irwin, still a great player.
David May, the striker I want to be.
Cant beleive I got to watch the great Kevin Pilkington either. What a day.

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27 May 2019 10:56:57
I don't know how people watched that game, it was just sad and depressing to watch. solskjaer has scored same number of goals yesterday as sanchez did the entire season, staam is a better cb than anyone we have bar lindelof, beckham put in more accurate crosses in 1 game than ashley young did in an entire season. Also we scored 5 at OT for the first time since 2016 when we did it against midgetland.

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27 May 2019 11:26:29
Csm,

Because it was a great day and really enjoyable, we scored 5 because Bayern had a 58 year old centre back, none of them players would get into the current squad as they are too old and slow hence when they were moved on originally, but it was great fun to see them playing. Lighten up, football is meant to be a hobby, if you couldn’t enjoy that yesterday maybe football isn’t for you.

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27 May 2019 11:56:42
CSM you get a bit over emotional at times. I joked that team are better than our current crop but let’s not pretend for a second there’s any truth in it. Our current team would run rings round them through fitness alone.

It’s ok to enjoy a fixture like yesterday for what it is. A celebration.

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27 May 2019 12:34:11
GDS it was wonderful watching them, but you are not telling me that as a utd fan it isn't a depressing fact that a team of 40 and 50 year olds manages to play better than our current team.

Wazza i am sure jones and rojo are fitter than staam, but given their injury proneness i doubt they will last any longer on the pitch than stam would.

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27 May 2019 02:00:36
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Manchester United Should Sign A Right Winger This Transfer Window

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27 May 2019 07:44:39
Whilst I agree we need a more of a threat from the right hand side to give our attack more balance and less predictability.

I feel the two main areas we let ourselves down is an inability to not concede goals and a lack of creativity.

Often I think people see a lack of creativity as a winger or wide player issue, not stretching teams or not running in behind. However, they forget to go back to the source of the problem. If no one is controlling the game and making the pass to set them free then they can't run in behind.

In our team the problem is the only midfielder we have who does this is Pogba, and he is consistently inconsistent, often looking for the Hollywood ball rather than the effective one.

It's no coincidence that our ability to create goals and control games dropped off a cliff when Scholes retired, both first and second time.

We need to solve that issue and bring in a quality midfielder who can control the tempo and has the vision to start the attacks. That will go a long way to solve BOTH the problem of shipping too many goals and give us a better chance of scoring more goals.

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27 May 2019 08:29:22
Good post DLIB.
Nicolas Pepe is direct, pacey and powerful.
He will instantly sort out right side of the attack.

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27 May 2019 09:56:03
Agree shappy we need a strong defensive base which will allow our midfield to be more attack minded who can then service the forwards. A scholes or Carrick type player is essential.

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27 May 2019 10:15:23
Agree build from the back
Aderweireld
de Ligt
Wan Bissaka

Plus a DM like Rice and let the young guns go for it up top.

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27 May 2019 10:47:28
Shappy, I would rather say our finishing is poor. Permit me to modify your piece to say our inability to avoid conceding coupled with our inability to score/ convert chances.
Of course our team could use some creativity, like you rightly said Pogba isn't consistent enough and Mata hardly plays anymore.
However that said a RW is a must!

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27 May 2019 12:00:49
Shappy, we’ve needed a RW for probably 5 years now.

We’ve never gone out and bought one.

A couple of seasons ago I think we had the best or second best defensive record in the league but still didn’t bring in a RW.

Now our defence has deteriorated and RW becomes less of a priority.

No doubt about it we need strengthening in every area of the pitch, but we’ve become the most predictable team in the league. Everything goes down the left, of Martial plays there it slows everything down, and we lose possession.

We need to bring back back that unpredictable element which comes with a balanced XI.

The only thing we can’t predict these days is the number of goals we’re going to concede.

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