Manchester United Banter Archive September 27 2014

27 Sep 2014 22:52:19
Good win today. I thought we were very impressive in the first half. Some of our football was excellent and really nice to watch.
From a defensive standpoint, I thought we were good, considering that the back four had never played together before in a competitive match.

I can see us winning the next two games; and then we play Chelsea. By that time, we should be stronger all round, and have plenty of confidence.

All in all a good win today. I just hope the injury to Herrera is nothing to worry about because him and Blind are forming an excellent partnership in the middle of the park that will only get better the more they play together.

Bring on Everton!

Our attacking play looks good which is no surprise with the players we have but our back 4 is a concern costa will be licking his lips.
attack might be the best form of defense this season

27 Sep 2014 19:32:49
That dummy by welbeck before the ox goal was divine.

Ha, I knew we would see a post about this. Yeah the awareness to make that kind of pass was incredible.

I love the fact welbecks best bit of play was not touching the ball

Didn't get a mention on motd!! The new Pele missed the ball completely from 5 yards!!
Gcu must be laughing his head off!!

27 Sep 2014 17:06:02
McNair got us 3 points to be honest.

How crucial was that headed clearance ?

27 Sep 2014 17:24:36
Fully agree. We have seen united concede in such situations. Luck or skill or anything.
We just need those

Extremely. He had a solid game and looked composed throughout. And for partnering Rojo in the center of defense against a physical team like West Ham? Great debut. Also I felt Rafael was excellent today. Hopefully silenced some of the critics he has on here.

Agree Ruud.

Both Rafa and McNair were good.

Shaw was decent and I'm sure he'll get better.

Rojo too was decent, his pace allows him to venture forward a bit.

Rafael & Herrera again looked great. Not sure if Nolan was offside.

I was surprised with West Ham, they weren't as physical as usual and this helped. McNair did very well especially as he had cramp.

Nobody had a shocker, but we still look poor.

Actually ADM was the worst player on the pitch today, his end product was shocking.

27 Sep 2014 19:40:17
I hope he got a huge pat on the back from LVG, very very good debut. especially coming into a team struggling defensively.

27 Sep 2014 19:50:22
Beast,

Nolan was offside.

27 Sep 2014 19:59:12
Beast,

I don't think we looked poor going forward or at the back today to be honest. We still look a bit shaky at times and nervy when we lose a lead, but the confidence will gradually come back, we are quite close to where we want to be now, 2 home wins in a row and another home game against a struggling Everton side who play in Russia on Thursday.

Ok Cheers GDS2, looked on from my angle - fine margins.

It was good how we held on. The league is so tight aside from Chelsea and we have them in 3 games time when hopefully confidence and defenders have returned.

I know it will take time, just a shame we threw away points at the start.

27 Sep 2014 17:01:25
Showed more team spirit in that second half than we have since Fergie retired. Let's give some credit to captain fantastic who fired up the whole team by selflessly sacrificing himself to save us from defeat. Oh wait, you mean he actually just lashed out again and kicked another player because he was having a wee tantrum? Ah, that sounds more like the Rooney we all know and love.

Much credit to our two centre backs. Coped very well with all the rough housing and did brilliant for two lads that have never played together. Hopefully Mata can step up over the next few games and convince LVG that the captain doesn't deserve privileges if he's incapable of leading or putting the interests of the team before his own petty rages.

(cue standard: but Roy Keane did it too defence)

It was extremely irresponsible of Rooney.

He did something similar against Montenegro and clearly hasn't learned anything.

Thats not how to you make a professional tactical tackle.

You can almost taste the bitterness .

But roy keane did it too.

Danny

I'm looking forward to seeing us play 3 games without him I think we may see a lot more fluency

His first straight RED in United colors. Stupid what he did, but the usual stuff. Did anyone mention his first half performance or his goal? I heard we had a broadcasting blackout then. He took one for the team albeit with poor execution, yet gets called selfish. The "Anyone but Rooney" groupies are in full swing! Good job folks, backing your captain.

Deeps.

{Ed007's Note - (clap)

Deeps

You can't defend that. It wasnt poor execution. It was a lash out. That's not what you expect from your captain.

27 Sep 2014 18:31:27
Very stupid of him indeed.

Mainly because up until then he was arguably our best player (along with Herrera and Rafa), scored a good goal and was involved in every attack.

But yeah Roy Keane was the same. Only get it with the passionate player.

Rooney had a decent first half, but he let the whole side down with his petulance. He didn't 'take one for the team'. He threw a tantrum because we didn't get a free, and lashed out at the first possible opportunity. And this isn't the first time he has kicked out at player like this. He's done it a few times over the last few seasons, but refs have been lenient.

The captain is supposed to lead by example, and show the younger lads desire and composure on the pitch. Rooney may be 28, but he still plays like a toddler going through teething tantrums. We really needed a win today, and our captain nearly cost us the game because he let his anger get the better of him. The lad nearly has a fit every time a decision doesn't go his way, and I couldn't think of many senior players in the squad who are a worse role model on the pitch.

I'm not Rooneys biggest fan, but I genuinely think he thought he would get booked for breaking up play. He was definitely not sulking or being petulant. He was stupid and didn't execute what he wanted to do properly. They were countering and he thought it was the right thing to do, stupid, but not selfish.

27 Sep 2014 20:03:32
He was clearly just trying to break up the play and take a booking for the team and went too high with the tackle. He was stupid but it was nothing more and nothing less than that. anyone saying otherwise either has a vendetta against Rooney or just likes to moan.

27 Sep 2014 20:48:41
All players make mistakes, Rooney included. Luckily he does a lot of good too. He does lash out, a lot less often these days but people seem to remember it better when it comes to Rooney.

This is where we view things differently. It was a poor execution of a cynical foul. The handball preceding the incident had nothing to do with Wayne, not sure why he would throw a tantrum? It was meant to be a trip, still stupid. But it does not justify how people have come out of the bushes to have a moan at it and say how happy are they to not see him for 3 games. I didn't see them talking about his goal or first half performance. The good comes with the bad, if you only bleat about the bad it smacks of an agenda. I am not surprised, some of "these" posters have wanted him gone for 2 seasons now.

Deeps.

27 Sep 2014 21:31:02
Hope you don't mean me Deeps? I don't back Rooney as captain, I back the team 100% though.

Deeps, watch the incident again. Rooney sees the handball, waves his arm in the air, and when it isn't given he runs as fast as he can and kicks the lad as hard as he can. That isn't a tactical trip, it's an immature man-child kicking someone because things didn't go his way. And this is the person who has been singled out as the 'man' to lead our club.

I'll fully admit that I think the club would be better off to be rid of Rooney. For his wages would could bring in a real world beater instead of a player who blows hot and cold, and at the age of 28 still isn't entirely sure what his best position is. And yes, I'm hoping that Mata can really step up and show us how good RVP and Falcao can be with a proper number 10 behind them.

27 Sep 2014 22:11:40
Danny,

Who scored the first goal mate? Must have missed that in your review.

Danny, if you ever give the man credit for anything good that he does on the pitch, I will take your opinions on him with a lot more seriousness. Unfortunately you seem to be butt hurt with Wayne's past transgressions, much like KLOOT. So we can never have a reasoned debate on this. Btw, just so you know, he has 3 goals and 2 assists from 6 games. He is anything but the problem. I want Mata to do well but no so because Wayne gets showed up but because the team must do well. I like your posts, let's keep it at this. I would like to see the revisionism when Wayne calls it a day. I am sure you will be one of them.

Brendan, we always come to a dead end and I can co exist with your "anyone but Rooney" stance. First Kags then Mata and it will continue. So I will not talk about this anymore

Deeps.

Btw, Lampard scored four goals in the last week. He must be the best player in the league.

There's no fear of revisionism from me with Rooney. Perhaps the most naturally gifted player at the club since Best, but he failed to work hard enough at refining his game or focusing on a clearly defined role. What we have is a talented player who will always contribute in the final third, but plays without any positional or tactical nous. He isn't sure where he should be playing, successive managers (club and national) aren't sure what his best position is, and he will ultimately go down as unfulfilled potential.

27 Sep 2014 22:48:21
Awww Deeps has taken his ball in. I'm happy to exist with your 'Rooney instead of anyone' stance too fella.

Yet successive managers, all of them had him as their main man! You must know something they clearly don't. Ohh well he couldn't nail a fixed position for himself in the squad, but is 3rd on our all time goal scores list. So much for throwing his talent away. Anyways enough of this, I can entertain you if you want to have a discussion on naked women and tulips

Deeps.

Yup Brendan mate! As it is watching Rooney every game till he calls it a day while playing for our club must be a tough experience for you. How those prophecies were ripped to shreds buddy! Won't give you more grief! Tada

Deeps.

It sounds like our own fans are happy rooney got a red card.
Very strange but that's the spoilt modern day fan god knows what you would of made of some of the players from the 80s

{Ed007's Note - I said after the 2006 World Cup Rooney should have told England he wasn't available for selection, just like Beckham before him, Rooney has been blamed for England's problems for years and now sections of the Utd support are just as bad as England fans. Others are forgiven for doing everything Rooney is chastised for.}

28 Sep 2014 12:48:11
It's not difficult watching Deeps, as I support everyone on the pitch 100%, doesn't mean that off it I am happy with every player though. I suppose it depends how much the club mean to you. If, you grew up just a few miles from the ground and were surrounded by it day in and day out, in school and out, and would have given your right testicle to play for them then a player doing what he has twice is unforgiveable. No matter what you think of him on the pitch. In that sense I agreed with K loot, even if he ranted a lot :-)

I watched Rooney 10 on mutv last week and seeing him when he signed, it is a huge shame he turned out like he did, and never became what we all dreamed he would.

Brendan
that was a load of balls when kloot spouted it and its a load of balls when youve tried it.
Its actually an insult to every die hard united fan that doesn't live 5 minutes from OT

Brendan, I hope you haven't forgiven Best, Keane, Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo . Double standards mate!

Deeps.

28 Sep 2014 16:52:13
It's not an insult in the slightest, you can be a huge United supporter, and i have no problem with out of town/country supporters, unlike some. But, for me, unless you have grown up immersed in the club and grown up along side other local united/city supporters and the huge rivalry that it brings, i don't feel you can understand it fully.

My mum is from Galway in Ireland, and loves Gaelic football and hurling. Therefore, I have always supported Galway the same as United supporters from outside Manchester support United. But, I would never say that I understand Galway, the rivalries and the club the same as someone who has grown up in Galway, immersed in it and living and breathing it.

Also, any player who disrespects the club and supporters, loses my respect, but not my support when they run out onto the field, same as Rooney. The players you mention all lost my respect at sometime, I can kind of understand Ronaldo wanting to go to Real even if I was pissed at the time. I would add Ferdinand to that list too.

Brendan
Its a massive insult.
And your quite right you don't understand .

I don't agree with you Brendan, not in the slightest! If you think someone living outside Manchester will not "fully" understand, then you are completely mistaken. I don't even wanna explain why. But that's alright. You won't probably understand what and how millions of fans like me living outside United feel what we do for the club. It's a way of life, that's it.

Deeps.

28 Sep 2014 18:15:38
A massive insult? Come off it Jred, you must live in your own little bubble if you think that is an insult. I'm not saying anyone is any less of a United fan for living outside Manchester and I'm not saying they don't love the club. But having not been there, grown up with it, lived it, breathed it, taken socks off your die hard city fan mates from early school upwards etc, it is not the same experience, like it or not.

Brendan
That happens all over the country pal.
United have die hard fans all over the world .
Do you really think that only happens in manchester?
Do you honestly think the club means more to a person based on where there born .
I honestly can't believe your views and how ignorant they are

Brendan
Its a massive insult .
I followed united through the 70s and 80s home and away I've followed them across europe through the good and the bad.
And to have someone claim the club means more to them because of where there born or grew up is insulting .

28 Sep 2014 19:41:04
The 'I suppose it depends how much the club mean to you' bit wasn't anything to do with where you live or grew up, that was just a statement my good man. I'm not saying that if you are a southern red, the club means less to you than a kid in Stretford. All I am saying is that people from elsewhere, growing up with mates and colleagues who are Birmingham fans, Tottenham fans, Newcastle fans, LA Galaxy fans, is not the same as a United fan growing up in Manchester with City fan mates, or aLiverpool fan growing up in Liverpool with Everton mates etc. That huge rivalry is missing, those years of living n breathing the joy and horror of the derby, going to OT to watch the reserves just because you wanted to see United, having football award ceremonies held at OT and Maine Rd and being so excited by it, just everything revolving around United because that is all anyone cared about and all City fans cared about was City and they felt the same.

This isn't a rant against any United fans, it is just my views as always. I can imagine supporting NY Yankees and understanding fully the rivalry etc between them and Boston or whatever. Unless I lived there and grew up there, I could never fully understand and have experienced it.

Brendan
Where i live everyone either supports liverpool or united and its tribal.
you fight at school about in the pubs as you get older and then at work .
but i wouldn't expect you to understand that rivalry .

But rivalries have little to do with your original point of . "I suppose it depends how much the club mean to you. If, you grew up just a few miles from the ground etc etc "
United means just as much to some people outside of Manchester as thoughts in it and vice versa.
But to be honest the rivalry of the 70s and 80s are long gone, its the age of prawn sandwich fan, fans who have only know success

28 Sep 2014 21:05:07
Those 2 statements weren't to go together, 2nd part was a general statement, I agree with your last sentence fella, today's younger supporters are 'generally' spoilt brats, not all though.

27 Sep 2014 14:19:39
Apart from 1 cb i think that's our first 11

Yeah I think you are right, bench looks pretty decent as well, putting aside our lack of defenders.

27 Sep 2014 14:54:00
Only thing is van persie has been chosen ahead of Mata. That's really should be evaluate with open mind with our favourism by lvg

Rodio, how has Rvp been picked over mata? If anything it's rooney picked over mata, falcao and rvp link up well together and in 2 starts together they have 2 goals and 2 assists between them

27 Sep 2014 10:18:38
"Moyes imo wasnt the right man for the job but should of been given time .
Lvg should also be given time .
How some can slate moyes and not blame lvg for anything is beyond me

jred"

Jred, I get your point and I too think Moyes was slated too much by many here, but now you are just doing the same to Lvg when you are obviously annoyed at the treatment Moyes got. Double standards? Lvg Has a good record but is a notoriously slow starter, we are just 6 games into the season. Sure, he is in charge but do we really need to get on his back so early? You have said yourself that Moyes wasn't the right man for the job yet you don't like the treatment he got. Now you're doing the same to Lvg.

Lastly, are you going to bring up Moyes every time we lose this season? let's move forward not look backwards.

We only bought 6 players
And blind won't play cb due to use having to many left sided defenders, after buying 3 left sided defenders.

are we missing a bit of direction ?
Some great signings but when you look at 5 points from the teams we have played and some of our issues i think its been a bit of shambles.

jred

Gav that was my op and i stand by it .
we have made some great signing but its been a poor start ti the season.
Given time lvg will be fine ( which i have said from the start ).
Although i'm far from convinced he is quite as good as some think, but that's just opinions.

as for bringing up moyes, go and read my op again there is no mention of moyes other people have raised the moyes point.

On a positive jred, its only taken him 5 games to sort our midfield and attack out. We are playing some great football for the first time in 3 seasons! The midfield is an ongoing job so we have to wait until he turns his attention to our defence. January maybe? Too late to win much, but a CL place was always the aim. 2 more windows!!

Ot7
Like i said we have made some top signings

This is a really good point. Whatever we think we are now exciting to watch, the last couple of years were pretty dire.

27 Sep 2014 15:55:26
Yes we have signed 6 players. Which means it will take even longer to gel. Lvg is a very slow starter which we all new, I think its a bit early to judge, just like I thought Moyes was judged too early. I think Blind was signed as a Cm not a defender. No doubt Lvg wanted to buy a Cb just like moyes wanted players he didn't get. Our start has been poor but I always expected it to take time. Those who expected 18 points from our first 6 games clearly haven't looked closely at Lvg's record. We have a lot of work to do but i'm happy to be patient with Lvg.

Jred. so far, his signings have been good. If this continues in January. we'll be ok!

27 Sep 2014 07:52:55
Everyone is sharing their thoughts on our defending crisis and our lack of transfers at central area.
Presently considering our injury prone list of defenders, and pace and physicality of game; I can only think of 2 defenders whom we can buy without breaking the bank and falling down to extortionous demands. They will definatly provide much needed strength. Height. injury free nature till now. and they definatly have pace and ball skills in their locker.
The two I want to highlight are Brazilian Dede and dutch van dijk. I will definatly replace smallings with those two. And would keep Jones considering his fighting spirit. So up until summer we can be OK. And
Then I would go all guns blezzing for hummel's.
I think Dede and hummel's would make great partnership. With Jones and dijk equally good. With blakeet as very good option.

Radio, good shout. I think it is important to get two CB's with a good fitness record. Problem we've had is that Evans smalling and Jones have all been very injury prone, so they've never developed properly. Personally, I will sell Evans and smalling in a flash. Neither are up to the required standard. Jones can be a very good defender if he stays clear from injuries. It is time for him to be more intelligent about his game and not dive into everything.
I think vlaar is a no nonsense defender who will give us three years of dependable service.

Nomid

The reason Jones dives into stuff is because he gets caught out of position so many times and to recover he makes rash challenges and sometimes stupid fouls outside the box.

You can not build a defense around him and he is squad player. We need two cb's