Manchester United Banter Archive February 28 2013

28 Feb 2013 18:35:28
Hey peeps finally at a comp.
Right here goes, matt law has said, Nani, Anderson and Hernandez got into a bust up with fergie over playing time in the big games this season, now for me i'm guessing they have been told or its not looking like they may play from the start against Madrid, this seems to of really got them upset and they 'confronted' fergie about this.
But it seems that a lot of the united players came down on them and told them in no uncertain terms that they were out of order.
Fergie has apprently brushed this off and said something like ''You can tell there my players, they have balls''.
The thing is, this could of been after the madrid game 3 weeks ago and its just come out or the time leading up 2 this game.
Now for me only Hernandez has any right at all to feel he has any right confronting Fergie.
I know someone on here recently said something along the lines about Hernandez not being happy and I have noticed this too at times this season so you would expect fergie to have seen this coming as well, so maybe all the Lewi Rumours carry weight I dnt know, But that is all I was told basically, dnt shoot the messenger.

Fergy said after the madrid game some players were unhappy to of been left out

Yes he did mate, didn't he mention Young as well? If I remember rightly

My god, the thought of Young against Madrid. Hmmmm. This may sound harsh, but I find it slightly embarrassing. I have been a major critic of Young ever since we signed him, and even received harsh comments on my opinion on this site (at the start) due to the odd game where he scores a belter, or puts a good cross in. He is not united standard, lacks finesse all round. Maybe Liverpool at best. Pleeeeeeaaase can we get a non cringe worthy left sided player, at least we know Valencia possesses possible consistency, and will have the very promising Zaha pushing him (Nani too if £90k is enough? lol).
Would much rather Welbeck against Real. I'm really impressed with his form, and feel more game tie will feed his appetite.
Don't force a sabbatical on me, it's only my opinion. lol

Chris
yes I posted this re hernandez not being happy a few days ago, as I said my friend works at o. t working with the younger group, I myself am a football coach with a younger age group at a premier league club in the north west, but am a big big utd fan, these are the rumours around the coaching staff (not first u21 or u18) that hernandez has asked to leave due to lack of playing time and that utd have had contact with lewandowski just incase utd get a substantial/acceptable bid for hernandez. I have left names out for obvious reasons but I have no need to lie only passing on rumblings as I frequent these pages as I am a red born and bred

Have u heared the Chelsea stuff too then?

Young was looking the best of the wingers not too long ago when he'd just returned from injury. He was also covering for Evra very well.

You cannot keep a squad like this happy if you refuse to rotate players against good teams. You pick your best team against the top top teams (like Real) but Hernandez is well capable of starting against most Prem teams invrotation.

Welbeck couldn't buy a start not to long ago, then he plays against Real away and is a beast. Fergy will sort it all out I'm sure.

Not hard for Young to look the best of our wingers DB? Have we had any consistency this season in this department? For me, he lacks. Welbeck has played very well in his last few appearances, not just against Real.
But hey, most of my opinions are disagreed on, or not posted anyway. Even LFCs dribble is more publishable. Sabbatical

I never thought Young was good enough for United, but that's another discussion. I'm not surprised by Nani or Anderson speaking out, but I am surprised Javier has gotten involved. Maybe its just an act, but he seems to be such a nice guy, friendly, unselfish, well-liked, etc etc. Just doesn't fit the character I perceive him to have, but I've never met the guy.

KG it doesn't matter how nice and wellspoken you are if you are driven and motivated then you stand up for yourself, fair play to him, it shows hunger

snakey

I suppose it depends on the manner in which it all happened. If it was a serious talk then yes, it's a sign of maturity and competitiveness. But if it was in any way combative or distracting for the dressing room then I'd have to disagree. Big difference between expressing a desire to play more and demanding to play more. Again, probably nothing but was still surprised to see Hernandez involved in any story of this kind.

28 Feb 2013 14:46:50
Just saw this on the deluded fools page, it really does get more entertaining every day:

"Suarez is arguably the 2nd best player in the world and at the very least 3rd best".

If they really believe that the buck toothed cheat is better than Ronny or RVP they need committing to the nearest asylum.

Red Daz

Neutral here, sorry but Rooney is vastly overated. RVP I agree but not Rooney.

Who said anything about rooney no name?

phil

Neutral, nobody said Rooney?

Ronny-Ronaldo

I think the OP meant Ronny as in Ronaldo?

My top 5 would be:

Ronaldo, Messi, Falcao, RVP, Iniesta. People like Ozil, Xavi etc are superior to Suarez in my opinion. I will concede though that he is a top player - just an awful attitude.

He was referring to Ronaldo not Rooney.

Erm, says Ronny not rooney in the 2nd post mr no name.
Your entitled to your opinion but I think it's wrong regardless.
Only reason why Suarez looks so impressive is because he resembles a diamond shining in a cow-pat.

Supasub

Ronny = Ronaldo

If suarez was at a club like barca or real or even bayern winning trophiesthen i'd consider him a good player

Expect to see Suarez in a Bayern shirt next season. ;D
Then we can judge

I seem to recall Darren Bent scoring some 20+ goals for a midtable team also. Doesn't make him Messi or Ronaldo, or Rooney for that matter. And its funny how people always freak out when Rooney's form dips. He's not a natural endurance athlete, and his fitness levels fluctuate, along with injury problems. If you're still surprised that Rooney's form fluctuates between world class and quite frustratingly bad, then you haven't followed his time at United. The reason why he doesn't get as much criticism as others is bc even when he's off-form he works his butt off for the team, plays anywhere needed on the pitch and gives everything he has every match. He'll bounce back, hopefully for this final stretch of the season. Til then, get your hating out of the way, bc it'll seem just stupid when he gets back into top form as he always has.

For the wages he gets KG, I think we expect a bit more from him than hitting top form for 3 or 4 months a season.

What player is on form all season? Bale has been talked about like maradona on here and he is invisible for months on end! At least when rooneys out of form he still contributes in other ways. Messi and Ronaldo are so good they score when off-form, the rest have ups and downs every season.

28 Feb 2013 13:20:23
I hope we are not concentrating too much on Real and forgetting Norwich. We have a home game that is winable but we must not underestimate Norwich like we did earlier in the season.
One slip and City will be back in the race, so let's concentrate on Saturday first and then think about Real once we have beaten Norwich.
NoMidfield

Best post of the day so far. I can understand the RM stuff and Ronaldo coming back but we need to take care of a tricky Norwich team first.
Hope we don't take them too lightly again like we did earlier in the season and last season at OT where with better finishing they would have caused a shock.
Their tales are up after a good win against Everton so let's make sure we take care of them and not even give City a sniff.

Red Daz

I'm confident that SAF will be echoing your sentiments to the players. We will field a weakened team but one capable of winning the game. I hope we get about Norwich from the first whistle and don't sit back if we go one up.

HBadger

100% agree, as much as Madrid is a huge fixture, we have to take care of business in the league, Norwich at home should always be a home banker but with Real on tuesday night I fear we might struggle if we make too many changes.

The 'second' team if you can call them that should still have enough to get 3 points but Norwich are a stubborn side, I was very disappointed with our defeat earlier in the season against them, I believe is the worst we have played all season - it was completely flat and void if any ideas.

I know we are in a healthy position and can afford to rotate but we don't wanna give city a sniff, they say Utd will drop points constantly but we haven't, Norwich and Reading both at home in our 2 next league fixtures need to be 6 points, with 9 games to play after that I believe will be too much.

28 Feb 2013 16:36:42
I'm sure ferguson knows this. We win the next two league games it puts us into a very commanding position. Yes he might have an eye on Tuesday, but with pretty much a fully fit first team squad to pick from we'll see some rotation but should have enough on the bench if needed. After the away tie he'll want to beat norwich at home.

And us the fans and the crowd must play our part to make sure the atmosphere is good. If we get a good win against Norwich then that will put us in the right frame of mind for Real.
I know its a cliche, but one game at a time and I'm sure saf will let the team know this.
NoMidfield

28 Feb 2013 09:24:16
Well if the stories are true about a bust up, i'm guessing good bye anderson, nani and hernandez fair. If u want game time there's a way of going about it and if its true, not the way they have. Hernandez for me is the only 1 that can have legitimate reasons but still players more loved have fallen foul of fergie.
Chris the REDman

Sorry, sure matt law mentioned today about them 3 having a bust up with fergie over game time and the madrid game coming upwhich um

Sorry, sure matt law mentioned a bust up involving them 3 having a 'bust up' with fergie over game tine

What?

JK92

Sorry can I give u details late? My fone is messing about and i'm not near a computer atm, sorry again soon as I can I will
Chris the REDman

I always thought that Hernandez would end up leaving due to this reason. If he goes for £20+ million then that fee could end up with us getting a more compete player like Lewandowski.

Hernandez has quashed these types of rumours so many times now, it's time to take his word for it. We are getting to the business end of the season now and there will be sly tactics to try and derail our season. I expect all three to play this weekend.

Sydney!

If we sell Hernandez, then saf will need his head tested, he is the best goal poacher around, so why sell him? We need to keep our best players. Sell the useless Rooney and get another striker. Hernandez must stay and I wish saf will come out and give him some support in public instead of letting the rumour mill do its usual and end up like Pogba!

28 Feb 2013 13:26:16
isn't he a well known anti united journo?

28 Feb 2013 13:45:12
Nani and Anderson I can believe and this season was always the last chance saloon for them both. And they've failed so deserve to go. let's get rid and replace them. Hernandez would surprise me though. And he's played quite a lot. He's started in games where i've thought he should have been on the bench. MrE

Mr no name. yeh because Rooney is useless isn't he.
Ive heard it all now, you would rather keep Hernandez instead of Rooney. What planet are these people on?

Simmo

Syd sure hernandez has said there not true at times this season but wot is he expected to say? Remember Ronaldo said he was staying and didn't want to leave mate its what players and clubs want them to do

Chris, Hernandez was collared by a MUTV reporter after a game at the beginning of the season and asked about similar reports. He said it's all lies and he is enjoying learning off of RvP. That he knows it's a squad game and he is just happy to be a Manchester United player. This is a genuine lad and you can see that in his interviews. Players will always want to play, but they want to win medals more.

I would say these are nuisance rumours based on Anderson saying he has wanted to leave United on occasions. We all know Nani is off in the summer so no one cares what he wants and to be fair Anderson is highly likely to leave in the summer. You have to bare in mind that City are 12 points behind us and there are many reporters who are anti-United and would love to try and unsettle the camp. I would take it all with a pinch of salt.

Sydney!

Ok syd that fair enough mate.
All I was doing was passing on stuff I had been told. I hope they ain't true but it would seem there is some truth behind them if u want to believe them or not

Chris, I would be very very very disappointed if United players were happy to sit on the bench. But there is a difference between wanting to play more often and having an argument with the manager and demanding a transfer etc etc. Surely Hernandez' agent quashing such rumours are more believable than some no named poster on this thread and a known anti-United journalist's "sources".

The thing is players would not be kicking off now, they would wait till the summer and leave the club.

Sydney!

28 Feb 2013 08:27:31
Ronaldo is cumin back no doughts about it
Reason number 1. Utd have first option to buy him it wuz in the contract when madrid bought him.
Number 2. Fergie has stated his would love ronni back.
Number. 3 ronni wants back.
Number. 4 he won't sign a new contract at madrid so he can keep the price down for utd to afford him.
Number. 5 this deal has been more or less be completed as ronaldo has stated he is not sayin nothing till the summer.
Number. 6. Fergie doesn't mess about he would b tellin the fans its not going to happen if this deal isint possible.
Number. 7 is ronaldos number welcome back. GGMU. P. o. h

I'd about 2 of these 'reasons' are facts the rest are speculation and opinion.

I think everyone agrees that we would all love him back I just can't see it happening myself, as much as I want it too.

What does GGMU. p. o. h mean?
Sorry if I sound I bit daft!

Simmo

I think GGMU means glory glory man united.

I'd be guessing at the rest.

28 Feb 2013 00:00:10
Hypothetically, IF Ronaldo returns in the summer and Valencia stays, then do you think Ronnie will take the number 7 back and Valencia gets his old shirt number back? I think he will. This will be a good thing as I think Valencia has struggled to be the Manchester United iconic number 7.

The number 7 has been cursed since a Liverpool legend had it :-). We need to go back in time to break the spell. Ronaldo - there's no place like home.

Come back Ronnie & break the curse.
TJ

I think the club would allow Ronny to keep Valencia as his house-boy, if it meant getting him back.