Manchester United Banter Archive February 28 2018

 

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28 Feb 2018 20:21:01
Question for Ed001 if you're around, have you seen Milinkovic Savic play and if so, what are your opinions of him as a player? Tried the search function but can't seem to find anything from yourself.

Hopefully he comes in the summer along with a RB and LB.

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{Ed001's Note - he is one of the best midfielders around. Can play a number of roles really well and is big and strong too, which is a bonus.}

28 Feb 2018 20:44:39
Thats nice to hear, did watch a Youtube clip on him (deceiving at times) and he does look bloody good, thanks Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - he is excellent mate. Whoever gets him has a top player.}

28 Feb 2018 20:05:33
A lot of posters been slagging Martial a lot lately. Just read an interesting stat, he has more goals and assists per minute in pitch than anyone in the league this season. Can't confirm that's 100% true, just read it in an article. If so, imagine him playing as our CF. The lads still only 22. We should be using him a lot more in his better position. He's got all the tools to be world class.

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28 Feb 2018 20:35:13
He Is a talented lad who is going to be a very good player . Always had a bit of Henry about him and he will end up a c. f. just a matter of time.

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{Ed025's Note - is that thierry or lenny?..

28 Feb 2018 20:47:38
Thierry ed never seen the lad smile can't be lenny.

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{Ed025's Note - love it jred..

01 Mar 2018 03:44:55
Martial has immense talent but talent is not enough, many talented footballers fall by the wayside if they are not right mentally, look at Ravel Morrison for example.

If Martial can get his head right he might be special but he has to show more on the pitch, make the difference far more than he does to make the most of his talent. You can’t keep blaming the manager for what he does, when he gets the ball it is up to him. He has time yet but the level of success for his career is likely to be driven by what is going on in his head.

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01 Mar 2018 08:29:04
Redman
You can't make everything about the manager (maybe you can ) nobody had even mentioned Jose .
Going to be a top player this lad.

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01 Mar 2018 09:19:28
Spot on red man.

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01 Mar 2018 10:11:52
It needs to come from both Redman. There’s been a lot of occasions where he’s been our best player for 3/ 4 games and picking up real momentum then gets dropped. I’ve nothiced occasions he’s our best attacker on the pitch yet he’s hooked on 60 where for instance Lukaku has been terrible in the same game. He has been our best attacker then the secon Sanchez arrives he’s moved again to accommodate when really Sanchez can play from the right. Plus he’s not getting a chance as our number 9 even when Lukaku is off form. It’s not all his attitude.

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01 Mar 2018 15:31:54
I have seen Martial have good games but haven’t yet seen him have ones that make him impossible to drop. No doubt very talented but the standard has to be high and he has to find the next level. I think it’s mental, he doesn’t seem utterly focussed, definitely give the player time but it is up to him to make the step up.

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01 Mar 2018 17:07:09
Talent is there I'm amazed people can't see it but that's football.
Only just turned 22 will start to kick on now.

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28 Feb 2018 16:57:48
Palace away in monday is not an easy fixture. 3 points are vital to keep our 2 point lead over them going into the Liverpool game. They proved against spurs that they won't roll over and are a threat on the counter.
I wouldn't like to see too many changes to the starting 11 . Shaw.? Bailly? Jessie?
We have 3 huge home games in a 7 days after this game so keeping up momentum going into those games is important. They are fighting for their epl lives. Matching their effort and desire has got to be the first ask of any of our players on monday night.

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28 Feb 2018 17:59:40
It’s going to be a tough game ken. I think Zaha will still be out and they do have a few problems in defence as Fosu Mensah cannot play. They will be a threat but I expect us to see them off. I would bring bailly and shaw in for young and smalling. Apart from that I would play the same team and bring Jesse and rashford off the bench. We have lacked consistency in selection this year so I would give the same line up an opportunity to build an understanding. I would like to see us really take the game to palace rather than invite pressure onto ourselves. Selhurst Park can be a daunting place when the crowd get behind them. There home fans are the best in the league imo. Excited for the next few weeks as they are make or break for our season.

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28 Feb 2018 18:40:52
That time of the season. I'm resigned to the fact that entertaining football is not on the agenda for this season at least, so I've no problems with grinding out 1-0's between now and the end of the season. Top 4 is critical to our continued progression.

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28 Feb 2018 20:19:28
I think your right noucamp. I agree park also the top 3 need time to gel and tje only way that sanchez and martial can do that is to play their way into form and try to get an understanding. I think sanchez will be the difference maker in a couole of These games and flourish from there on in.

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28 Feb 2018 20:35:57
Sanchez lukaku a martial should work given time.

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28 Feb 2018 21:13:19
Palace away a tough game? It’s come to this?

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28 Feb 2018 21:34:57
At this time of the season playing a lot of the teams at the bottom is tough. Spurs Liverpool arsenal and Chelsea all struggled there. That plus we have not been exactly great recently points to the fact it won't be easy. But i suppose in the olden days we had no tough fixtures. 😂😂.

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01 Mar 2018 08:30:27
The epl is a hard league no easy games but palace away isn't really one of the harder games .
There will be smelt down on here if we don't win.

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28 Feb 2018 16:27:09
An interesting stat that I heard on Saturday, United have only been beaten by City (twice) at Old Trafford in all competitions for over 2 years. January 2016 was the last defeat to anybody else.

That is some home record and something we should be proud of and the reason why I wasn't overreacting and panicking when people were saying 'what if we lose to Chelsea, Sevilla and Liverpool? ' before Sunday's game.

I'm sure we will lose that record at some point but it just makes you think, maybe reports of our 'demise' are a little premature.

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28 Feb 2018 18:06:07
yeah, that's all well and good GDS but we're still boring and crap to watch so everything you're saying counts for nothing.

Our 'demise' is massive because now there is so little joy or entertainment from watching Utd play it's almost pointless.

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28 Feb 2018 18:13:40
It only counts for trophies Manc man and we won a couple last year.

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28 Feb 2018 20:26:41
I think we are on an upward curve the opposite to demise.
Yes i agree its not been pretty in fact painful to watch at times but results have improved and our competitvness has improved.
There will be further imorovements next year and better football when he has the blend and nix right.

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28 Feb 2018 22:30:07
£150m+ to spend again no doubt, I'm sure the brick wall will be tougher to break down! I'm also sure the baby steps will continue given the resources he has, as our rivals make strides with similar or less!

This 2nd season was meant to be the one we would see better football remember, apparently this is the optimum season for Jose showing what he can do according to dozens of posts excusing the poor football last season.

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01 Mar 2018 01:26:52
I am of the same opinion as Ken, we are on an upward curve at last. There may be blips but I believe we are starting to show signs there is something big to come.

I believe Mourinho has approached this role differently to his others and taking a longer term view, he is trying to build something and I think we may see that after the summer window.

Those like Beast who bemoan pretty football don’t get that you build from being difficult to beat, we played lovely football under Atkinson and it got us nothing but frustration. I am trusting Jose and will see what next season brings, we still have plenty to play for this season mind you.

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01 Mar 2018 01:35:15
Wow manc man. If that was not a sarcastic post then I think we have a poster to rival Beast for the title of "Smiler of the week" 😂.

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01 Mar 2018 03:25:43
If it's still rubbish next season, will we wait and see for season 4? When is the line drawn exactly Red Man?

We should all be watching football to enjoy it and feel passionate at the very least. The club lacks a soul at the minute, even if we had a team of pub players they would at least look like they are trying their best and doing their all for the fans. There is such little regard for the entertainment factor, it's all take, take take from the club, manager and players. We approach each big game like a selfish kid holding the cookie jar, nobody may enter, you are not seeing what is inside!

Maybe some of you still enjoy it (I think you are glutton's for punishment), but seriously ask yourself when your backside last left the seat for more than half a second and you genuinely felt some pride watching us. I'm not talking brief moments, I'm talking sustained excitement, like we had for much of the previous 25 years leading up to this chronic waste of talent and opportunity.

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01 Mar 2018 04:12:19
Beast

I think you have rose tinted glasses on what we have been served up since SAF arrived. His first few years were awful, we weren’t great around 2004 and his last couple of seasons had poor football on display. Moyes and Lvg hardly served up a football feast.

I see something developing and believe it needs more time. If we add a CD and CM in summer I expect a challenge next season. If we are not then next March Jose may be under more pressure. Right now it’s deluded to put all your money on pretty football, it’s winning that matters.

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01 Mar 2018 04:48:54
I hope you are right Red Man.

I'm not expecting swashbuckling football, I appreciate there is work to do. However I do expect some good football, or signs that it may come. Moyes and LVG were disasters. SAF had poor seasons for sure, but I still liked the players, was excited before each game and expected us to compete trying to play attacking football.

I expect negative football now, despite spending millions on attacking talent we look devoid of any idea how to break down teams. We have lost our identity and I can't see it coming back under Jose, there would be more signs than what we are seeing now.

I'd be more than patient if I saw signs of future entertainment, but he has world class entertaining players now, more signings is not going to change it. It has to come from the manager and the tactics, doubt Jose will change.

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01 Mar 2018 05:41:27
I think at the moment Jose is playing the way he can with what he has available. We have good attacking talent but don’t have the spine or base to let them too loose. Fix what needs fixing and I think we will see a different team next season. The board will have a direction and Jose will likely have input and knowledge of that. Good football comes from a solid base, Jose will know that and I think he needs time. Another change will destabilise the club.

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01 Mar 2018 08:33:43
Jose is about on par with what he done with Chelsea.
City have raised the bar and will win the league with more points than Jose has ever got over a season .

Jose is doing fine so is the team it's a Jose team doing what Jose does .

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28 Feb 2018 12:46:48
Quotes from Van Gaal this morning:
Despite being sacked by Bayern, Van Gaal said he still had an affection for the club, which he said was different to Manchester United.

"Of course I do, " he said when asked if he still loved Bayern. "Manchester United who I last coached is a commercial club. Totally different to Bayern. The bosses, former players like Karl Heinz Rummenigge and Uli Hoeness are former players who know what they are talking about.

"Football is the most important thing, not money like it is now at United. That's why I love Bayern. "

What do you make of LVG's critique? He did say like it is NOW at United, meaning that it was not always that way. Sad to say, but there is some truth in his words.

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28 Feb 2018 14:02:42
He is just very bitter. Got sacked for playing the worst brand of football the premier league has ever witnessed. Even teams that fight for relegation play a more attractive style. But there is an element of truth to it. Since sir alex has left we have foundered on the pitch whilst dwarfing everybody commercially off it. But that’s why we have Jose as manager. Style isn’t great but he will get us back challenging. So we are making the necessary strides and acting like a football club again instead of a commercial cash cow.

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28 Feb 2018 14:31:11
He's right, and its a big shame. Hopefully one day it will be back to the game rather than the money.

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28 Feb 2018 15:41:20
LVG has made a lot of money out of the money that's been flowing into the game: I find the whining a bit rich coming from that bag of sour grapes, even if there's some truth to the observation.

Teams like Man City, PSG, Barcelona, Real Madrid and, yes, Bayern Munich all use their superior financial situations to their advantage. Purity is fine and dandy when there's hardly any competition in your country.

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{Ed001's Note - to be fair, I think he was meaning that Bayern are run by football people, whereas Man Utd are run by The Equaliser who is a merchant banker. He wasn't disputing that both clubs are rich, just talking about how the clubs make their decisions and which side of the club has priority. At Bayern it is the football side first, at United it is the commercial side first. Nothing to do with lack of competition and everything to do with them actually remembering that it is a competition first and foremost on the pitch.}

28 Feb 2018 16:46:38
I'm sure hoeness said something along the lines that lvg was anti football or the worse brand of football at Bayer .

So at least lvg is consistent no matter how a club is run.

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28 Feb 2018 17:03:56
Agree with Ed. Bayern is run by footballing people. United haven't been for a long long time. Gill wasn't a football person but listened to Ferguson. Woodward is great at the commercial side but lacks on the football side. Which is why we need a director of football.

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28 Feb 2018 17:32:04
As terrible as van Possesshion was here, he is right about the distinction between Bayern and United. United is run for profit first, and football second. The most obvious example was the signing of Di Maria: wasn’t the manager’s choice, player had no interest in playing for us, but he’s a big name and Woodderp thought he would improve the brand.

Still doesn’t excuse the dross served up under his watch.

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28 Feb 2018 18:03:56
I heard that Van Gaal wanted to use his own agent (s) for players brought in. Probably had some involvement with Blind and schweinsteiger whilst Brian Mcclair was getting involved from a different camp. One of the ed's would know more / be able to clarify I would have thought.

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28 Feb 2018 18:07:37
Who cares what Van Gaal thinks about anything, especially football?

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28 Feb 2018 18:44:59
It's easy to take the high ground from a position of uncontestable strength, when you're the only team likely to win your league. And if any other team look like upsetting the applecart, they can always buy their best players, putting them right back to square one again. I get the gist of the argument, but Bayern always seem to take a holier than thou attitude to the way they do business.

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{Ed001's Note - much as I hate to take Bayern's side, but I think it is only fair to give their side. They also, when Hertha Berlin were about to fold, bought their half of the stadium off them and gave them rent-free usage too. They are not all bad.}

28 Feb 2018 22:18:20
Van who? Oh yea, that insignificant dinosaur.

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01 Mar 2018 01:39:32
Didn't know that ed. Thanks for Sharing. They also keep ticket prices down for the common fan, rather than bleeding fans dry and inflating wages and fees. Nice beer too.

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28 Feb 2018 21:59:14
Don't disagree Ed about Bayern being run by footballing people, nor that the regime at United is primarily interested in money. But then it seems we don't have much of a choice really, what with the debt the Glazers incurred to buy the club and the success we now must achieve every year in the most competitive league in Europe in order to retain our sponsorship deals. LVG may be right, but the dross served up under his managership was't exactly football either, at least not the type one would want to watch. So it's not the message that rankles, but the messenger.

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{Ed001's Note - I agree, and I really hated to agree with him, but I got the impression everyone was only going to hate on him.}

28 Feb 2018 04:50:07
eds i have a question, how much did lisbon make off of ronaldos transfer to real madrid? surely they had some sort of sell on clause in place.

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing - but others did.}

28 Feb 2018 14:23:21
can you please elaborate on who the others are and what they got? just curious, i tried looking it up on google and didn't really find anything so i'd appreciate it, thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

28 Feb 2018 15:51:59
lol
a'ight.

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Review Of The Day 28th February 2018

28 Feb 2018 05:33:00
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 28th February 2018

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28 Feb 2018 06:00:53
Thought it was a “Injuries Review” when the first 4 were about injuries 🤣🤣.
Good read but sad about Quini. God rest his soul. 🙏.

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{Ed001's Note - I was going to move them all about a bit to stop it being all injuries like that but got lazy sorry. It is sad about Quini, I feel guilty that I knew nothing of him before today.}

28 Feb 2018 07:28:52
It’s good Ed 🤣🤣 just pulling your leg.
I am quite sure some of the younger ones definitely won’t know about Quini before today so don’t feel bad. Any prayer would be good. 🙏.

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{Ed001's Note - younger ones? Oh I like the thought of being classed as a 'younger one'!}

28 Feb 2018 08:22:27
Am sure you are 😉🤣🤣.

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{Ed001's Note - at my age even the OAP's have stopped calling me young man :-(

28 Feb 2018 08:54:43
I wouldn’t complain mate. Your experience would’ve made you a better person. I know I wouldn’t. Grandkids to love and spoil - why would anyone change?
It’s a life God has chosen for you 😉. And you are respected here as well so whilst the body age, the mind and soul must stay young 💪💪🤙.

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{Ed001's Note - cheeky bugger! I am not that old, I don't have grandkids yet.}

28 Feb 2018 09:06:42
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I was talking about myself 🤣🤣🤣
No punt intended. You come to Asia you look me up. I’ll buy you drinks.

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{Ed001's Note - I know mate I was just kidding. I am in Asia now mate, I moved to Dubai a few years ago for my health after a series of illnesses. So do I look you up in the phone book under 666Red? Come to think of it, do they even have phone books any more? I wonder if my daughter would even know what a phone book is?}

28 Feb 2018 09:41:02
Let me know how you want me to send you my contact. Singapore is where I’m from.

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{Ed001's Note - sadly I doubt I will get to Singapore any time soon, but if you are ever in the UAE let me know.}

28 Feb 2018 09:51:59
Will do mate. In my bucket list. Should be there within the next couple years really. Thanks for invite. I’ll definitely look you up 🙏.

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{Ed001's Note - it would be good to meet you mate.}

28 Feb 2018 10:08:24
Pleasure is all mine 🙏🙏👍👍.

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{Ed001's Note - :-)

28 Feb 2018 12:00:41
Get a room ;)

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28 Feb 2018 13:13:58
If anyone ends up in Changchun, China give me a heads up.

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28 Feb 2018 13:15:12
🤣🤣🤣 GDS funny 😆.
But sorry I don’t have same sex interest. I definitely can bring Ed001 to some interesting places 😛😉.

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{Ed001's Note - now I am scared!}

28 Feb 2018 14:23:34
Waterholes Ed. Don’t be so worried 🤣🤣🤣.

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{Ed001's Note - you know I don't drink right 666? Well I can't drink anyway, even if I did want to.}

28 Feb 2018 14:34:26
Just been offered a job in Dubai myself Ed001. got to weigh up the pros and cons.

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{Ed001's Note - working for someone else out here is totally different mate. You will be worked harder than you ever will in the UK. However it can be a good place to be and the weather is usually glorious.}

28 Feb 2018 15:08:14
True ed I have a nephew out There.
And no drinking in public, dress appropriately, no public displays of affection, have to be careful of photographs. No painkillers stuff like that to name a few.

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{Ed001's Note - there are hundreds of bars you can drink in publicly, it is buying alcohol at home that is a problem as you need a license. Dress appropriately is hardly a problem and the public displays of affection just means no necking in public, really. I have no idea what you are talking about with regards to painkillers, I think someone has wound him up on that one, every chemist sells painkillers.}

28 Feb 2018 16:02:10
He was telling me that a friend of his was arrested for having painkillers on him.

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{Ed001's Note - sounds like crap to me. There is either a lot more to it or it is one of those nonsense stories that gets floated round.}

28 Feb 2018 16:45:39
You could be right ed cause I'd say the same boys now would take more than a painkiller.
Ed you like the hot countries weren't you in Spain for a while.
I hope you are well wrapped up in this weather ed.

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{Ed001's Note - I was in Spain visiting my parents who retired out there. I do need the sun though as my liver does not work properly so I was constantly ill in the UK. Bloody right I am wrapped up, when it dropped to 20c in the Winter I had to wear gloves, seriously. Another of the side effects is poor circulation and my hands turn blue when it gets below warm!}

28 Feb 2018 17:14:41
Jesus ed you must have drank liverpool dry when you were drinking,
That's serious ed, keep warm my friend.

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{Ed001's Note - it was nothing to do with alcohol, just an infection and bad luck. I had glandular fever, caught flu as well, and while weakened got an infection. It is only that I don't drink that I am alive.}

28 Feb 2018 17:28:37
You can never be too careful ed.
That was bad luck to get the infection on top of it.
Take care, I'm sure your well able to police it at this stage.

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{Ed001's Note - yeah just have to be careful not to have too much sugar, salt or spice. Basically anything tasty is out!}

28 Feb 2018 18:47:18
Remember visiting Malaga last January with the wife for a city break, and we were sitting on the beach in our t-shirts. The locals were wearing puffa jackets and hats. It was 16 degrees, for flip sake!

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{Ed001's Note - 16 is time for a coat mate!}

28 Feb 2018 21:23:12
Is that an open invitation ed because i'm due in UAE next February 😁.

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{Ed001's Note - you will have to remind me nearer the time, I will have forgotten by the morning, let alone next year!}

28 Feb 2018 00:24:14
I think for us moving forward for the rest of the season Lingard needs to start every week. The boy has been phenomenal for us this season, and I think England need to start him in that number 10 role this summer.
The one thing which really stands out about him for me is his movement, he's always buzzing about. I really focused on him when he came on against Chelsea, and he always seemed to find a pocket of space. The best example of his movement, not sure if anyone else saw it, came when we were 2-1 up with about 5 minutes to go and he ran across the Chelsea back 3 from the right hand side, to the left, constantly arching and changing the direction of his run to stay onside and make an angle for the pass from young.
He's beginning to add an end product as well, I'd love to see him reach the 20 goal mark this season, he's on 13 already so it is possible. I'd say he's got to be a candidate for our player of the pitch, and most importantly, he's one of our own.
Caolán.

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28 Feb 2018 07:52:49
He's definitely a candidate for player of the pitch but as we know that coveted honour isn't easy to get.

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28 Feb 2018 09:57:55
Lingard drives me mental! I think his all round play isn't great. He never shows for the ball, when he gets it he just takes the easy option. His off field antics do my nut in too but at the moment he's doing the business in front of goal so my opinion is irrelevant. I do find him anonymous in most games he starts though but he's been a very valuable squad player this season.

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28 Feb 2018 10:57:07
I agree Caolan. I would argue that he should start for England over alli as England’s no 10. His movement is great and now that he has added goals he has become a really good player. I doubt Southgate will start him but I expect him to be on the plane.

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28 Feb 2018 12:01:50
I don't think Lingard is in our best 11 but he is in our 'best 13' and in great form. He shouldn't start every game though for me, we have better players who need to find some form working together.

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28 Feb 2018 12:31:25
On form he should be in our best 11 .
Maybe not reputation tho?

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