Manchester United Banter Archive July 28 2018

 

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28 Jul 2018 22:51:02
Great free-kick from Pereira, but we are so sloppy in possession. Loving our new tactic of hitting it up to the two big men, Mata and Sanchez.

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{Ed004's Note - Our tactic must be to see if we can concus Van Dijk. Don't understand why we are trying to hit Sanchez from kick outs. Also McTominay and Herrera have to pull the fingers out.}

28 Jul 2018 23:10:37
I liked McTominay last season, Ed. He was decent without being anything special. I know it's only a few games in, but it does look as if he may have regressed a little. Maybe a good loan would be best for him, because there's no way he should be in ahead of any of our first team midfield options. Pereira has to figure this season. He looks so much more mature in his performances.

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{Ed004's Note - McTominay has been shocking this preseason. But he's not alone in being awful in that midfield. We seem utterly incapable of keeping the ball.}

28 Jul 2018 23:42:47
Liverpool have a clear pattern of play and are moving the ball with slick passing. Out attacking midfield has been none existent.

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28 Jul 2018 23:53:07
Some of these players, especially Herrera showing why he won’t be first choice this season. So many players missing and we held our own in the first half against a strong Liverpool side. I always felt like we would lose and I think we left it too long to make the changes as our players looked dead on their feet, they will be much fitter and better for it though I’m sure.

Good to see some of the kids getting a run out, and some lovely touches from Fred, looking forward to seeing more from him.

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29 Jul 2018 00:48:28
Totally agree with all that GDS2

For large portions of the match we were sloppy, falling over the ball and lacked posistional sense, There seemed to be a lack of understanding amongst the youth players and quite often a simple 1-2 pass would lead to Liverpool regaining possession. i'm sure Bailly won't be too pleased especially after A. P done his job and cleared the ball in our on box. Herrera was terrible probably down to lack of playing time with the youth players but SMcT was caught out every time nearly. In fairness to the lads it was not all doom and gloom and had this been played in England then quite a few of the LFC players would have probably seen red. Sanchez at one staged got blasted by Klaven and no yellow given.

On a good note however Fred seemed right at home ( not too far i know ) but his composure to run towards our box pick up the ball and play out gave me some hope that he will be a good coup for us this season.

Andreas Periera was really good and i hope he stays put this season. I wouldlove to see him play with our strongest 11 as we always say. Players play better when they have good players around them.

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29 Jul 2018 01:12:29
Positives: Pereira has gotten better each match at center mid, Sanchez looked lively again, and Fred looked very good in his cameo. He has good anticipation defensively and understands space well in his passing and moving.

Negatives: McTominay has struggled, he couldn't hold onto the ball at all, let alone move it forward at all. Long ball tactics were awfully hard to watch.

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29 Jul 2018 07:50:17
Quite a few of the LFC players would have probably seen red? :D Please tell me who of the Liverpool players you think deserved a red card?

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{Ed025's Note - thats called clutching at straws mate..

28 Jul 2018 22:40:59
Bloody hell, Tuanzebe is very very quick, much rather have him in the team over Smalling/ Jones/ Rojo. Also, that was a beautiful freekick.

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29 Jul 2018 01:17:53
Tuanzebe has everything needed to become a very good defender: size, quick feet, and he seems fairly composed, and vocal as well. He needs to use his left foot when passing up the line on the left, but I am sure that is fixable. His basic passing technique is also far superior to Smalling or Rojo. He snaps the ball quickly off his feet, unlike Rojo who seems to hoof it, or Smalling who is just so ponderous on the ball.

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28 Jul 2018 22:37:43
What a goal Andreas

Get in son.

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28 Jul 2018 21:59:40
No Bailly in the squad and Shaw dropped to the bench.

Hope Bailly is ok. Is Shaw rested or dropped again.

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{Ed004's Note - I'm pretty sure I saw Bailly shaking hands? Shaw probably rested. Think he's played the most minutes on tour so far}

28 Jul 2018 22:17:58
I take it back regarding Bailly. They are reporting him as not in the squad even on mutv as the team are ready to play but i just saw him. ha ha

Smalling is not there, lol.

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28 Jul 2018 22:29:47
Smalling injured in the warm up so relaxed by Bailly.

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28 Jul 2018 23:06:37
Hi 1st time poster but followed the page for a number years. Just thought I’d mention I heard someone say the other day they would like TFM, Bailly and Tuanzebe as our back 3. Looking at the 1st half they seemed to be holding there own against Liverpool. Dealt with Mane and Salah Upton. Harsh pen I thought as you can see he doesn’t know where the player is. And glad to see Perraira pulling rank on Sanchez for the free kick.
Some wouldn’t.
Anyways be kind it’s just my opinion and observation
Thanks guys.

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29 Jul 2018 07:53:30
Harsh penalty? I don't even know what to say.

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28 Jul 2018 19:20:12
Are we an "elite" club any more?

Yes, 600M followers and the history but have our board allowed us to step back from the top and accepted commercial success as the nirvana? I see Willian and Peresic being touted as the answer whilst the other elite clubs hold an ace, an inspiring world class talent that makes the team better than the rest. City have DeBruyne, Silva, Aguero, Chelsea Hazard (for now), Madrid had Ronaldo, Barcelona Messi, Bayern Lewandowski, PSG Mbappe, Neymar, Juventus now have Ronaldo. Yet we seem to be happy shopping for Peresic, Willian, are either that level? Not for me. If Salah has another season like last, it might catapult him into that bracket, a bracket he has been put in prematurely based on one season, Leicester won the league one season. Still Liverpool have an aim to get to the top, to be considered elite. They got to the final and are using as a stepping stone, contrast that to no value in the market. We just don't seem to have a desire or aim to be elite.

We should be asking what our aims are, top four, or winning the League/ Champs League, the shopping list indicates the former. Perhaps if Forbes asset value ranking starts to fall something may change but right now it looks like we have business aims not football ones, less than two weeks to prove that wrong.

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28 Jul 2018 19:45:53
Red Man, you and I disagree on some things but I am with you 100% on this. It’s come to this.

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28 Jul 2018 19:50:36
Not on the pitch were not bad haven’t been for some time. The recruitment of players and managers of the last 6 years has been shambolic to say the least. This club has no direction on the pitch, and it’s why we won’t challenge the best until it’s addressed.

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28 Jul 2018 20:03:45
For me there’s no vision, no clear identity or direction around what and who we are trying to be. There never used to be any doubt but those days are starting to fade. Winning is everything it seems.

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28 Jul 2018 20:14:32
What if José wants Willian, which it seems he does?

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28 Jul 2018 20:25:07
A club our size should be aiming to win every last thing on offer. But the window isn’t shut let’s not get negative. Like I said a week or two ago if we get Toby and a player like bale this will be the best window in years.

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28 Jul 2018 20:26:25
I agree with you redman buying players like willian and peresic isn't the route I'd like us to go down . They are decent enough but we're never elite players and are hitting thirty .

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28 Jul 2018 21:09:22
On 17 Aug I will have been supporting Utd for 50 years, I remember the day. I spent all the years after that until Cantona arrived in 93 to wait for that player. Our club seems to lack ambition, direction and inspiration, run by accountants with the aim being financial. The board have under two weeks to show different and Willian or Perisic won’t show it.

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28 Jul 2018 21:11:47
We have bought Pogba, Sanchez, and Lukaku. Not exactly lesser players. Barcelona allegedly wanted Willian. City have only bought Mahrez. To stert questioning the ambition of the club because you don't like certain players isn't fair. We would all like Mbappe, and other shiny names but it wouldn't guarantee success.

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28 Jul 2018 21:30:14
I don't see how signing a brazilian international as a problem.

Half of you on here think your playing football manager where you can use your budget to buy 1 world class player. It doesn't work like that in reality.

There is nothing wrong with Willian at all as a footballer, i don't know who else you expect to buy to play on the right hand side.

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28 Jul 2018 21:44:48
Red Man It's complex question with an even more complicated answer.

I don't think there can be any doubt that the Glazers bought the Club to enhance their sporting portfolio and to invest in their financial future. They didn't buy Utd to plough their own money into the Club or with the intention of making Utd the dominant force in Europe capable of toppling the great Real Madrid.

The Glazers saw an opportunity to turn a well run business into the commercial giant we see today. In terms of increasing revenue, sponsorship and manipulation of the brand they have been hugely successful.

Whilst Fergi was in charge domestic success was almost guaranteed with minimal outlay. Perhaps more importantly he brought stability to the Club. Post Ronaldo we endured years of under investment where we told of "no value in the market" and with it we inevitably watched the quality of our football slowly decline. The attacking flair and creativity wasn't replaced as the likes of Scholes and Giggs retired and we saw the painfully slow decline of Rooney. Towards the end of the Fergi dynasty the expansive, exciting football had almost become a distant memory replaced with functionality and the winning mentality of an experienced, wily, old campaigner.

It remains my opinion that post Ronaldo investment in the Club was criminally poor. Whilst domestic dominance was relatively assured we should have been aiming to dominate Europe. With the brand steadily growing, sponsorship and revenue increasing the bread and butter was neglected. It was testimony to Fergi's genius that he saw off challenges from Chelsea and then the emergence of the noisy neighbours whilst reaching two European cup finals (aided by very favourable draws) but we should have been aiming higher.

Whilst Pep was assembling his great Barcelona team we were buying the likes of Young, Jones, Zaha, Powell and Buttner. The only notable arrival post Ronaldo being RVP in 2012.

Whilst some no doubt, myself included, were disgusted with the lack of underinvestment and ambition most we're placated as we continued to challenge domestically although in Europe we witnessed a steady decline.

The appointment of Moyes, for me perfectly illustrated the arrogance and naivety of the Club at that time. It was an appointment which reeked of complacency and contempt. If we needed any evidence of the ambitions of the Club from a footballing perspective then Moyes was its shining beacon. Never won a trophy, no European pedigree, no recognisable style of play, hell this was a manager that hadn't even won an away game at Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge, Anfield or the Emirates in over 10 years of trying. A man championed as the next Fergi. A concept so incomprehensible it still sends shivers down my spine. In my cynical opinion he was appointed as a safe pair of hands. A man that could work within a tight budget, who wouldn't complain and keep the Club within the top 4. In time it was hoped he may grow into the role and his 6 year contract was yet further evidence of the arrogance of the Club and an underestimation of the amazing work Fergi had done on a shoe string budget.

Whilst I can't argue that funds haven't been made available in the past few seasons this was money that was needed just to return the Club to a competitive level (top 4). If the Club were truly seriously about returning us to the top then more investment is needed. It remains my opinion that the Glazers have little interest in seeing Utd be successful, more this being an added bonus. What they desire is stability and what they need is for the Club to reach a consistent level of performance (top 4) so they can continue to exploit the brand and fill their pockets.

In answer to your question are we still an elite Club the second most valuable sports franchise on the planet will say a resounding yes. For matters on the pitch for which we're concerned our performances are way below our sky high value so I guess it depends who you ask?

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28 Jul 2018 21:45:54
I have just been a little bit sick thank God Redman supports a team that can buy top top players.
Don't give me all I've supporters since the 60s .
You mean I've supported the most supported team in the world for a number of years .
Look at our transfer spend it's in the top 99% of clubs in the world over the last 4 years .
Falcao was on a huge wage
Sanchez on a huge wage
Ibra in 02 words on an obscene wage .
Pogba world transfer record
Do Maria mega money
Lukaku mega money

David Silva wasn't a huge buy prob best in the league
KDB Jose sold him 2 years later one of the best in the world .

Perisic and willian as per 02 are players Jose wants the club not so much.

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28 Jul 2018 21:47:49
Man United went out and got arguably the best manager in the world . Then spent millions?
What more can the board do they don't pick the team or the tactics .

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28 Jul 2018 22:19:32
DLIB, one of the best posts I have seen. The only point I would add was that the aim has been to increase the asset value of the business and that has been immensely successful yet it doesn’t benefit the fans or anyone who focuses on the football, pity this wasn’t all driven by success on the pitch.

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28 Jul 2018 22:40:25
If José wants Willian, does that show a lack of ambition on his part?

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28 Jul 2018 22:57:06
Red Man - Exactly the point I was trying to make but you managed it in one paragraph pal!

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29 Jul 2018 00:19:27
Great posts redman and DLIB. Couldn’t a free more. Well summed up.

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29 Jul 2018 04:28:51
How many post have we seen that the club didn't back board and buy perisic . Now buying perisic lacks ambition?
Maybe the truth is after major investment Jose has got us playing the type of footy the fans would like so the file fans are getting toxic.

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28 Jul 2018 18:19:57
Would rather offer the suggested offer 75 mill for Willian to inter Milan for Perisic given his work rate and crossing for lukaku. l know both are not young but would definitely prefer Perisic.

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28 Jul 2018 19:09:09
Perisic plays on the left which is Sanchez main position .
Both work hard both a decent neither are going to get any better In fact the position they play and style both have prob seen there best days .
Willian at least has played in the epl . Perisic would need time to adapt.

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28 Jul 2018 14:38:43
If its true that Dortmund are looking to cash in on Pulisic I hope we at least make enquiries. Still lots to develop but from what I have seen he is quality.

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28 Jul 2018 18:02:17
Remember Ed002 saying we could possibly use Martial in a deal for Pulisic, that would be perfect, let's hope it happens.

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28 Jul 2018 18:38:47
Oh i would love him to arrive at OT but i fear Jose may hinder his progression and flop.

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28 Jul 2018
New image uploaded to the
Manchester United Player Sightings page entitled, Luke Shaw let himself go again

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28 Jul 2018 13:02:24
CBJ ok loan at Scunny, my home town. Hopefully he plays well. I thought he looked good for us under LVG and had hopes for him.
I doubt he will play a other gane for the club.

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28 Jul 2018 13:42:11
Mad - the amount of abuse I picked up for saying exactly that a few years ago was incredible. I said the same about Reece James, Paddy McNair, Donald Love and Tyler Blackett. Absolute pelters I got but I think some of our fans forget they support Man Utd, not Decentish Utd.

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28 Jul 2018 14:28:17
Betting against the success of our academy graduates is pretty fruitful for I told you so moments Beast. About 1 in 50 makes it at man utd, if that.

I think some just want to see the lads get a bit of support from their own fans to give them a bit of time to grow into themselves. Making that last leap from first team debut to solid squad regular is probably the biggest jump of all, but they don't have a chance if they aren't given a chance before the knives come out.

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28 Jul 2018 14:41:50
Not betting against them.

Stating that they didn't look good enough, then getting dogs abuse saying I was wrong and they would be playing for the team for many years to come - that is what I'm talking about. Stop living up to your name!

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28 Jul 2018 17:24:29
Haha, likewise 😉

My point wasn't only aimed at you beast. Lots of people look back fondly on utd history, but then show zero patience for young players who are inconsistent.

Sometimes the only way to develop is to play matches against good players. Harry Kane springs to mind, he was nowhere near first choice at the start of his break out season - but time and games meant he had the opportunity to grow and step up.

Have we ever loaned a player to another top flight team and they've come back and been successful? I think the loan has to come earlier to lower division teams, which is a much better standard than U23s. I rate Tuanzebe, but not sure of his route to the team unless he dislodges Tony at right back while he develops.

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28 Jul 2018 18:58:04
I don’t think that’s the case at all. Beast is completely right. We haven’t invested enough in our academy and youth development for years. We are getting by on the reputation created by the class of 92, but our youth players, by and large, are not getting to the standard required to play at a top level club. Ed001 has talked about this in the past, and us using our academy as a money churner.

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28 Jul 2018 11:57:18
🇧🇪 Approaching.

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28 Jul 2018 18:39:25
Your point being.

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28 Jul 2018 11:32:03
Hi, Leicester fan in peace.

Right let's get to the bottom of this Maguire transfer thing. Do I or any LCFC fan think for a second he's worth £80mil? Absolutely not, but do we need to sell? No we don't.

Talking with some mates down the pub last night, the real reason we don't want to sell, or so we think, is finding a replacement.

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28 Jul 2018 12:10:14
What about Smalling and Jones and say an Apple and an Orange and a kit -kat plus £35 mill -deal😆😆 please.

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28 Jul 2018 18:51:29
Paolo12

Interesting that you held out on Mahrez for 12 months and it didn’t do much good, he still went and probably didn’t give everything to the cause, you can probably tell us better.

I do wonder if the Maguire/ Alderweireld position is similar to Lukaku/ Morata last season.

As to Maguire replacements, I think Smalling or Jones would look good in blue.

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28 Jul 2018 08:50:09
Welcome Willian.
Looks like if Pogba stays we will have a reasonably strong midfield.
I feel Willian can also go down right flank as he is a versatile and hardworking player.
Now we need to really sort out defense. If we are not selling Smalling, Rojo and/ or Jones then we really need to organize the team with Bailly and Lindelof as well. Young and Valencia could be alternate players depending on who we playing against. Perhaps one more defensive buy would strengthen the team.
Up front if we don't sell Martial we would have a reasonably strong strikeforce.

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28 Jul 2018 09:06:00
Welcome Willian 😨😨? Not seen anyone else reporting this 666.

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28 Jul 2018 08:20:51
Genuine question here guys.

With a bit of panic taking place in here surrounding lack of transfer activity, would you prefer:

A) a late transfer flurry of a centre half (Toby or Maguire), new left back and Willian/ Persic
B) Jose giving Andreas P a go, sticking with Shaw and a young at left back, and TFM and Tanuzebe supporting at the back and switching one of Sanchez or Rash to the right with Gomes chipping in with some matches

Food for thought.

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28 Jul 2018 08:30:17
We have bought 2 we will buy another 1 or 2 don't know what the problem is.

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28 Jul 2018 09:08:27
A Pereira should be given a run . He is top quality and has been truly patient. This could be his time now. 😆😆.

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28 Jul 2018 09:40:28
We have brought in Fred and Dalot and are trying to being in a centre back and one other, I don’t see why we should panic and buy for the sake of it though. It may well go down to deadline day which thankfully is before the season now, Alderweireld wouldn’t be available anyway for the start of the season due to his involvement in the World Cup.

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28 Jul 2018 18:39:47
Go and buy Willian and Alderweireld, they players Jose obviously wants then play the youngsters on the early rounds of the cup. That’s always been the way to introduce them into the first team. Those who show promise and shine get more opportunities in the league maybe.

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28 Jul 2018 07:05:57
The longest lunar eclipse must have affected my mind. And on that note, a hint of optimsm about our team.
Defence, we have sold Blind and in process of getting rid of Darmian and Rojo. We've replaced them with a very promising young right back in Dalot and an hopefully an England centre back in McGuire, who no matter what you think, is much better than Smalling, Jones and lindleof.
Midfield, we have bought a fantastic player in Fred, who together with Matic and Pogba, will form one of the best midfields in PL and in Europe. Fred will allow Pogba to flourish and will add energy to our midfield.
Attack, it is in attack where United can make the biggest transfer statement of all. A signing that will transform our team from top 4 to title favourites and even CL contenders. A signing that will give us the right wing balance we've been searching for and give us the best attack in the world by far. That of course will be Mbappe. The boy is young, but is built like an ox. He showed in the WC that he has the marurity to take on defenders with pace and skill beyond his young years. An attack of Sanchez, Lukaku and Mbappe will give the manager, the players, the fans and the club the belief that we can compete right at the very top.
Of course, it will come at the expense of selling Martial. But Martial wants to go anyway.
It'll bring the owners merchansise earnings beyond their dreams, and in five years time, Madrid will pay double for him.
We are the biggest club financially, wouldn't it be a dream come true if we can pull off the final piece in the jigsaw. FFP permitting of course.
I know its a long distant dream and maybe impossible, but we have never been shy of breaking transfer records, Law, Robson, Keane, Ferdinand, Ronaldo, Pogba, Lukaku have all broken records. So dreams can come true when you support our club. Please Woodward and Agent P, make it happen.
It might even put a small smile on Mourinho's face, but it will definitively wipe off the smiles from the scousers, City, Spurs and Chelsea.

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28 Jul 2018 08:09:10
Would love mbappe at our club but there is zero chance of that happening. looking like willian is going to be our rw purchase.

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28 Jul 2018 08:31:14
We are not going to buy mbappe.

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28 Jul 2018 19:04:41
We may not buy Mbappe, but AAA’s sentiments are in the right place. Do we see ourselves as an elite club any more or not? It seems we are shopping in Sainsbury’s instead of Harrods these days, the true statement of intent would be Mbappe yet you get the feeling it will be Willian at too high a cost. When Accountants run the show it is to be expected.

Willian is a good player but he isn’t inspiring me to think he would make that difference to bridge the gap to City. Title winners have special players who consistently perform, Hazard, De Bruyne, Ronaldo and list a number of our own former players as examples. The theatre of dreams needs to become that theatre again and we need a special talent to light it up.

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Review Of The Day 28th July 2018

28 Jul 2018 06:50:06
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 28th July 2018

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28 Jul 2018 07:54:57
What do you think of Golovin as a player Ed? Seens highly rated but haven't watched him much myself.

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{Ed001's Note - I have not seen a lot of him either, looks a very good technical player though.}

28 Jul 2018 05:43:04
I haven't been able to see much of the preseason games due to work. I am interested to hear how the people who have see games think Andreas Pireirra is going right now.
I am all for the young talent coming through as long as they are contributing something to the team. How is he getting on?

What about our old favourites TFM? And Tuanzebe? What do people think?
I look forward to the comment?

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28 Jul 2018 13:50:03
He has gotten better each game. I am not sure about him defensively as he might get pushed aside by some powerful runners in the midfield. He has a good passing range - he looks to forward passes to feet quickly and he can play some long switches to either flank. I think we all are guilty of getting down a player in preseason when there are a lot of turnovers when players have a lot more miscommunication. But Pereira is a player who wants the ball and tries to keep it moving, and is alert enough to play it forward a lot more than sideways and backwards.

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29 Jul 2018 00:31:07
Thanks Zidaniel.
How are TFM and Tuanzebe looking?

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27 Jul 2018 23:06:03
Ed001, what on earth is going on at Wolves? 'Reports' say they're closing in on a £25m deal for Rojo, they'll have a very strong spine if they sign him for a promoted side, Patricio, Rojo, Neves, Moutinho, and Afobe. Also, with Rojo and Darmian close to going and Blind already out, surely we'll see a LB and CB come in, just a matter of who.

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{Ed001's Note - they are spending what they need to be competitive at the top end of the table mate. They have not come in to be relegation-battlers, they want European football.}

28 Jul 2018 06:59:19
Just out of interest ed, where do you see wolves finishing this season? Think they have bought well and can see a top 10 finish.

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{Ed001's Note - top half I think.}

28 Jul 2018 07:39:36
Times have changed eh Ed, no longer going to 'bully' the newly promoted teams, least they're showing ambition.

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{Ed001's Note - very true, Fulham look to have bought well too.}

28 Jul 2018 10:31:36
And same old Cardiff lol.

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28 Jul 2018 13:48:59
£25m for Rojo, I’ll carry him to Birmingham personally!

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