Manchester United Banter Archive June 28 2012

 

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28 Jun 2012 21:56:13
You would forgive Italian football fans for hoping for a match fixing scandal every couple of years the way the national team responds.

TK-Red

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28 Jun 2012 21:32:05
This will proberly wont happen but i have been watching italy in euro 2012 and i was watching pirlo and what a player he was completely commited to the game and i thought if we had him he would do more than me are midfield savior he be able to let rooney and welbeck or hernandez settle down and they dfinetely would not have to come back into midfield,anyway lets talk relistic now these are the people we are actually close to signing.

de rossi / he wants premiere league move.

james rodriguez / he wants manu move and we want him desparately.

thiago / we want him

tiote / one of sir alex top targets

Leighton Baines / we need extra left back

Joao Moutinho / impressed sir alex in euros.

and what do you think of this formaition and team eds.

de gea

jones. vidic. ferdinand. evra.



valencia. kagawa. nani.



rooney. hernandez. rodriguez.

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That midfield is an absolute joke.

MelonRed

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Wow we'd get slaughter every week, no one in that team does the work defensively that would be needed to hold together that team. We'd be wide open and teams would be scoring double figures against us most weeks.

Shappy

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Would definitely have a big impact on goal difference, though I'm not sure whether it would be +100 or -100!

Red Spark

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Snappy your bang on it would not work but not because of your midfield enforcer missing but because jones Rooney and Hernandez can't keep possession
Utd utd

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28 Jun 2012 21:08:13
it's games like this when u can see what a good player balotelli could become if he could sort his head and attitude out.
still only 21 shame his nuts
jred

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In the next few seasons this guy will make an impact. Perhaps like thiery Henry. Find me a 21 year old who is more talented or who doesnt disappear in big games

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Shame Fergie didn't have him from 17/18. Then he might have had a chance to fulfil his potential. I don't think Mancini alternately letting him get away with anything and then sulking with him helps. He is a genuine match-winner though.

DarkLard08

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I find it so hard to not like him. Can be an amazing player on the park and an absolute nut case off it. But at the same time gives thousands to homeless people and when asked by a cop why he had 5k in cash on him he replied 'because I am rich!' haha. I hate him for being a city player and a sulk but the rest of the show is usually good.

Jono

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Mancini is an excellent man manager but no one gives him any credit. There are only very few managers who have handled as many egos as he has at the same time.
Alex Ferguson would definitely have gotten rid of balotelli, I think there is more evidence to support that view point.

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He man managed tevez very well didnt he.

Ste-Utd

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Mancini a good man manager ..really ?? He struggled to manage Balotelli, his handling of the Tevez affair was awful, Fergie would never of had him back, fights on the training pitch and other incidents. Sorry but I personally disagree.

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You guys must be 12. You're very myopic.
You think management is the same thing as dictatorship. Remember, tevez was influential in snatching the title from under your noses. That my friends, is excellent man management. Did he make mistakes? Sure who did not but something he did it was involved in doing helped broker peace with tevez and motivate the team to win the last 6 games when everyone else thought we would bottle it just like you did

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Crawling cap-in-hand back to a player you'd said would never play for you again because you can see a league title (and your own job) slipping away is NOT man-management. Man-management would have been making the other good forwards at the club (Balotelli and Dzeko) feel like an integral part of the team and using them to drive City to the title instead.

DarkLard08

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28 Jun 2012 21:02:41
Hey Eds!
I am wondering am I the only person who doesn't want James Rodriguez or Nico Gaitan!! Too proven strikers from Liga Portuguesa who in my opinion would flop... The exact same with the brazilian league with lucas! Players have too big of names considering they are playing in leagues where near retiring players go to finish their careers. Im not asking you or anyone else to agree i just wanna know am I the only one that believes the likes of Neymar, Lucas, Gaitan, Hulk, Rodriguez would flop in a physical league in the premiership! Again it's my opinion just checking ye'r views.
- Johnny H

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Rodriguez Gaitan strikers? there wingers

Mad Hatter

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There are many players who are a success in the prem who you could argue aren't physical yet still do well. David Silva, Luka Modric and Juan Mata to name a few. So I see no reason why players.like this can't be a success in the prem. I can also see a watering down of the physical nature of our league by the powers that be, so in a.few years time maybe the prem won't be as physical as it is now.

Shappy

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I don't think Hulk would have a problem... Neymar seems to be able to handle himself too. I think Gaitan would probably need a few months "acclimatisation" but I don't think he'd struggle in the way Deco did.

DarkLard08

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28 Jun 2012 20:41:51
hey guys do u think madrid wud consider selling khaderia if a bid came in? and how much wud he cost? also like the look of montilivo wud be a great 2 man mf with khaderia and montilivo?

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Montolivo is utterly bog standard. That's just MOTD fever.

Khedira is the better player, and I'd take him off Madrid, although I think there are plenty of better options out there.

DarkLard08

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28 Jun 2012 20:18:18
New debate topic to stop us slating nani who imo we should keep, anyway, if age was no factor and you had to choose a low lying playmaker for your team would you prefer to have scholes or pirlo, you cannot have both and with your choice you can not use united relations with your choice because the obvious choice would be the ginger prince, so who would you have based on ability alone?

MaccaTheRed!

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Macca

If we're talking in their prime, Scholes by about one million miles.

If we're talking now, in the Premiership, probably just about Scholes. In a slower league, Pirlo. But I don't think either now is good enough or quick enough to perform the role week in, week out in the Premier League.

DarkLard08

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Scholes without a shadow of doubt, he has performed through out his career and has played in the tougher league.

Pirlo is good on the ball but scholes doesnt miss passes, any distance they find there man.

Both great players but Scholes is better.

1redarmy

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Pirlo now - was amazing how well he performed over 120mins the other night then over 90 mins tonight, class! Scholes struggles to do two 90 mins per week right now

In their hey day though - Scholes every time! Controlled play like a wizard and got a hat full of goals/assists to boot

Gav

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Scholes for me too, would be interesting to see if andrea could cope with the EPL,yeah scholes for me too.

MaccaTheRed!

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28 Jun 2012 20:29:39
Sorry for posting a lot tonight, i've just not posted a lot recently and its all just piled up in my mind...

How much do you think Strootman would cost? I know ed doesn't like talking about potential fee's but I thought someone else might have an idea?

Also, if Fletcher doesn't come back, that leaves us with injury Anderson, carrick, old scholes and cleverly. So unless Anderson steps up we will have 3 Midfielders, one of which is 37.
I know we're not a sugar daddy team, but i'd sell Anderson and buy Strootman and Cabaye. & having thought this i refer to my last post and think we should wait to get Rodrguez next season as center of midfield is our priority...

1993

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Strootman would cost perhaps £12m, £8m upfront, £4m in add ons?

Sydney!

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In regards to a fee for Strootman , i think aslong as there is not a bidding war then should cost no more than 20mil .

Midfield wise we have just bought Kagawa , also Park and Giggs can both play there and i also think that Tunnicliffe will get some 1st team games this season too so thats plenty of options, but i do think we will purchase 1 more midfielder but it wont be Strootman or Cabaye , i think the Modric situation will have a baring on what midfielder we buy ie if Modric goes to Madrid then i think we will buy a midfielder from Madrid.

Also if rumours are to be believed then Anderson may be off as part of a deal for Rodriguez.

Winston

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Only 8 million euros according to the transfer meerkat, though that does sound quite low.

Red Spark

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I don't think - if Modric goes to Madrid - that means we'll pick up a midfielder from them. Sydney! might have a thought on this, but I'd imagine if Strootman came in he would be one of two midfielders arriving and would probably be arriving because of doubts over Fletcher's fitness.

DarkLard08

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Darks, completely agree. It would be Modric as well as Strootman, not one or the other.

Sydney!

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28 Jun 2012 20:26:42
I am so glad Arsenal have signed Podolksi. Very average.

Sydney!

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Marco Reus looks sharp since he came on.

Lew.

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Sydney!

Couldn't agree more. I don't think Giroud is going to pull up any flags either. Wenger's ability to pick a player really has faded over time. He used to be excellent at picking those mid-value European players and turning them into gems. Now - Arshavin, Gervinho, Chamakh, Mertesacker, Santos, Podolski... I don't particularly rate Koscielny either. Everybody talks about Arsenal not having money to spend but surely the bigger problem is it isn't getting spent properly?

DarkLard08

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Marco Reus is a fantastic player, it's a shame he's gone to Dortmund he'd be right up there as one of the players i'd like to see replace Nani if he leaves(which looks likely). We were interested in him a season or so ago, such a shame we didn't follow through with the interest.

Shappy

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Darks, Chamakh was knocking them in just like Giroud. Prolific in Ligue 1 and around the same age and Chamakh flopped. So the jury is still out on Giroud and Podolski was relegated with Cologne, flopped at Bayern and was dire at this summer's Euros. Okay it's only £23m spent, but will they get much more than that for RVP? Will they have as much impact on the team as RVP had this season? I am not so sure. It will be an interesting season, but I will not be putting either Giroud or Podolski in my Dreamteam.

Sydney!

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But wait sydney can you really say rooney was any better against italy yet he's the best thing since sliced bread...

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Rooney was awful in the Italy game and his touch and passing has been poor all season. BUT he still scores goals for United BECAUSE he gets help from the midfield. Something he never got from Gerrard or Parker in the Italy game. How can strikers score goals when the midfield is non-existent?

Sydney!

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Sydney!

That was the point I was making. Wenger spends £10million here, £10million there, on players who don't make the grade, and then complains about prices. LFC fall into the same category. I don't rate Giroud, I didn't rate Chamakh. Really people like Wenger and Comolli / Dalglish should have been having to explain why they bought the players they bought and didn't manage to get hold of Cabaye, Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba, as Newcastle did.

DarkLard08

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28 Jun 2012 20:24:37
Wow, my post woman has never took her top off after posting a letter.

Sadly ;)

Sydney!

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28 Jun 2012 20:04:42
I have my concerns over Nani and whenever he gets the ball I dont know what to expect... However, even if we bought James Rodriguez I'd still like to keep Nani, hear is why;
4 top wingers, 2 on the left and 2 on the right.
its a long season, injuries always happen.
if Toni got injured, who would play in his place? god forbid Park playing there, to be a good team you need to be able to have good options on the bench and need to be able to not know your best team. Admittedly, Nani isn't as effective as Toni, but he's just as skill fool and classy.

Everyone says we need to 'balance the books', but we still have Berba, park, anderson maybe, mecheda etc... Berba's wage bill off would balance the books.

Sorry for the LONG post :(
1993

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Post isn't as long as I thought it was.
However, if we do sell nani i'd want us to buy a left back and push Rafael forward if Toni isn't available to play
1993

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28 Jun 2012 20:03:03
can't believe hummels is only 23, he's brilliant, not many better.

JK92

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28 Jun 2012 19:41:34
Hey guys just a question do you think that United really miss out on players? I understand foreign players not wanting to move their family or locals prefering a different city in England ex. London. United clearly have a minimum and maximum they are willing to spend on a certain player. So really if we don't sign them because the selling club is more interested in money is that really us missing out? When a player becomes available that United think is worth breaking the bank for we have usually done just that Hazard is an example we offered the money for his transfer but were unwilling to mess with the pay scheme of the whole team. Really if he comes in unproven and becomes the highest paid how much do you then have to pay your proven players. It would put the whole system into chaos United preserved that by putting forward the offer they did. United do not only sign stars some people need to stop praying for a big name and trust Fergie just because you may not have heard of the player does not mean he can do the job for the team. Think Vidic is an example of that I'm certain he wasn't everyones first choice when we signed him but he is at least one of the top 4 defenders in Europe. Just my opinion thoughts welcome.

Darren-Bermuda

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28 Jun 2012 19:21:51
With Alba going to Barca and Modric probably off to Madrid, where does it leave us?

Well, I would say we have about £40 - £50 million left in the pot to spend. Getting a winger should be the last priority as we are pretty well covered and I think that Welbeck will get games on the left hand side quite a lot. Nani, Young, Valencia, Park, Welbeck and Kagawa are all capable of playing wide, as is Cleverly. So for me it looks as though a left back and a central midfielder look to be on the cards.

Sydney has said a few times that we are in talks with PSV, I expect this is to negotiate a deal for Willems rather than Strootman, although its hard to say. Willems/Izaguirre are the likely left backs as we won't pay through the nose for Baines. Willems would be a good addition to the squad who will learn alot. And lets be honest - Evra is going to get most of the games we play anyway as SAF likes him. Blackett may also get the odd Cup Game, especially since Fryers is on his back.

Centrally, with interest dropped In Modric (apparently), we have to explore other options. Moutinho, Cabaye, Strootman, M'Vila and Sneijder I think make the shortlist. Unfortunatly I think we may go back in for Sneijder if all other avenues are not presentable - this of course depends on price. My personal preference would be Moutinho, however its very difficult to say if we have any interest - there has certainly been no press link. Sneijder unfortunatly seems to be a more and more likely bet :/

______________DDG
Rafael___Smalling___Vidic___Evra
________Sneijder___Carrick
Valencia______Kagawa_____Nani
_____________Rooney

To be honest it doesn't look half bad, although I hope Sneijder isn't the one that we go for - his injury problems and baggage may be a bit of a negative.

RedDevil19RedDevil19

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WE would get destroyed in the middle, great at attacking but the midfield need some steel.

Mad Hatter

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I wouldn't want Sneijder playing in the heart of midfield. He excells in advanced positions. For me he would play in either Kagawa or Nani's position in that formation. I also worry about his fitness over a tough PL season, even more so if he's expected to be tracking back as a CM'er

Anyway, I'd prefer Modric, or even Moutinho or Cabaye or Sahin in the middle

Gav

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28 Jun 2012 18:58:53
I think we should sign baines(alba looks like hes going to barca hed of been my first choice) modric or thiago, m'villa or strootman and fischer get rid of berba, anderson, bebe and macheda and give new contract to nani but 6 signings in one season is a bit much whats your thoughts?

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28 Jun 2012 18:36:08
How much would it cost approximately for fischer from ajax good young player would love to see in a united shirt

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Perhaps £5m-£8m, half upfront, half in add ons.

Sydney!

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28 Jun 2012 18:34:24
United playing Barcelona in a freindly on Augest 8th.

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28 Jun 2012 17:57:55
Told you Jordi Alba was signing for Bacelona.

United Till I Die 1987

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Pretty sure most people saw that coming.

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Everyone knew.

G.A.G.U.S

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OMG he signed for Barca I was totally blindsided never saw that coming imagine that a spanish international wanting to play for Spain + Messi I am shocked and my day is ruined thanks for the news

Darren-Bermuda

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Yeah cheers Captain Obvious ;)

TK-Red

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Lol at trying to claim that one!

Gav

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28 Jun 2012 17:42:08
I didn't know SAF picked the Olympic squad?!

It's slightly embarrassing when someone try's to make a "shock" comment to try and show they're different to others and ultimately try to make themselves look like they're above everyone else and then they can't even get the facts right! Just so you know, Stuart Pearce picked the squad Kloot, I'm embarrassed for you!

Ports

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28 Jun 2012 17:21:50
We will do a Sun Premier League Dreamteam from August. Much better than that Fantasy Football one. Try and get a couple hundred involved, perhaps even Ed002 ;)

Sydney!
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Will do.

G.A.G.U.S

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I do enjoy doing a Dreamteam for the season.

Sydney!

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Are you only saying that because you have done well in the Euro one Syd and because you stank in the fantasy footie last season? hrhrhr

Pardoe

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Easy to say somethings rubbish when you tank at it Syd ;)

TK-Red

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Na mate I have always done the Sun one, ever since it began. I didn't like the Fantasy one so I done a team and left it that way. I have no idea where I finished.

Sydney!

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You finished 150th Syd.

G.A.G.U.S

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As the reigning Fantasy Premier League Champion I will grace the SUN DREAMTEAM with my presence.

P.S : GAGUS can vouch that I am the reigning champ.

MUMBAI_BOY

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TK, I will level with you, I couldn't figure out how to make transfers so I didn't bother with it again. I am so used to the Sun Dreamteam I do not think anything else will match up to it.

We will see how I do in this season's one. I usually finish top ten when there is 50 others, it will be harder against a few hundred on here.

Sydney!

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I prefer the other one to the sun that has never been that good imo

Pardoe

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To be fair mate its a role reversal with me and The Sun one. It seemed like my player was scoring a hattrick and I wasnt getting any points so gave up after about a month last season and stuck the the PL one. Ive been doing that for years with my mates.

TK-Red

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MUMBAI_BOY cam 6th :P

G.A.G.U.S

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'MB'

Depends which league you mean mate because in the football rumours league you finished 6th. Sorry to piss on your parade. ;)

TK-Red

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150th? Out of how many?

Sydney!

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172 Syd! mate...

TK-Red

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I picked a team and left it as that. I couldn't tell you who I chose other than Sturridge. He hardly played after Christmas and I left him in. I never even picked him in my Sun Dreamteam, I am clinical in my Sun Dreamteam transfers and take it very seriously.

Gomez, Hummels and Oezil are gone from my Dreamteam now and I have no Italians so I will be relying on my Spaniards on Sunday.

Sydney!

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28 Jun 2012 17:13:16
is there any interest for any big clubs in joao moutinho cause he was class last night vs spain

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28 Jun 2012 17:09:47
Anyone know if sneijder is available or de Marcos at Bilbao?

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De Marcos would be worth a go can play midfield and left back a tremendous athlete
I'd also go for muniain

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28 Jun 2012 17:08:36
It seems lots of people are reading this article, that says we've dropped interest in modric and assuming that because they're fairly well known they must be right. WRONG. They need as many people looking at their site so they get more money from advertisements, and as united has the biggest fan base they create false stories so loads of people look at them.
NWDA

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28 Jun 2012 16:56:12
Will all you little girls calm down. So Beckham didn't get selected for the GB squad who are you going to demand next Robbie Williams? Fergie knew exactly what happens with the Beckham roadshow and the distraction it becomes. The 3 older players he has selected all play at the highest level in the top league whilst Sir David just pushes the brand Beckham wherever he plays. Do you really want to see Posh trying to hog the limelight. Come on little darlings you have always got your Take That reunion to look forward to. I AM KLOOT

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Well kloot look at it this way. People buying tickets hopeful to see probably the biggest thing to come out from english football in recent times, a hardworking and respectable legend who has always stepped up whenever he was needed by his country and has never refused to play for england. Im not even a beckham fan but im really disappointed especially that he still has one of the best right foots in the world.
Mick.

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Take That.....again.

Quality!!!

Jono

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28 Jun 2012 16:47:37
Eden Hazard Vs Shinji Kagawa
apps:
EH:192 SK:198
Goals:
EH:50 SK:86
Assists:
EH:38 SK:45
Cost:
EH:£32m SK:£18m
International
EH:28caps 2goals SK 30apps 10goals
............
I definately know who I would prefer, pretty sure you all do to, a certain asian maybe? What a bargain we've got in Shinji he's also done it in a much more aggressive and difficult league, with all respect to Eden I believe kagawa's the better player and has the better stats. Opinions welcome :-)

MaccaTheRed!

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Old stats and we know that the stats are worthless as Kagawa's include games in the J-League

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Im getting sick of seeing these stats.

TRUMORS

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To be fair the F-League isn't much better than the J-League ;)

Sydney!

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Cant wait for the new season so people can actually compare the two on a level playing field.

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But kags was the best player in the bundesliga, and the french ligue 1 isn't brilliant 5 winners in five years, kags imo is the better player, and i think he will make more of a lasting impact then eden before the money grabber moves to spain.

MaccaTheRed!

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Why are many of u complaining about that some of kagawa's stats is from the J-league? Hazard haven't played all the 192 games at Lille either... But i believe Kagawa is a better player, much because he played in the german league, but also because he ALWAYS performed! Can't say he's had many bad games for Dortmund, and him behind Rooney/Welbeck/Hernandez, will become extremly nice!

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28 Jun 2012 16:37:54
I am getting seriously worried about the midfield issue at Old Trafford.
Why are we not moving to secure the likes of Strootman or M'Villa, knowing us we will leave it far too late and miss out AGAIN on another two fantastic prospects.
I have a horrible feeling that nobody will come in and we will be watching Carrick and Scholes playing the majority of next season with Giggs coming in the odd game here and there.
I will be really dissapointed if this happens, surely Fergie must see that this is our main weekness!

Simmo

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And challenging on all four fronts again we've signed 2 fortunately Fergie isn't Rafa. Who would panic like yourself and end up replacing quality with whoever was available and not who was gonna IMPROVE us which the 2 players you like would not be better than Carricks& schooled
Utd utd

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The manager knows we need midfielders mate. Last season he rushed Cleverley back from injury two weeks early because we were desperate for a midfielder and it caused him to miss the rest of the season more or less. The manager played Rooney in the holding role for a few games and we brought back Scholes. So don't worry my friend the manager is well aware of our midfield issues. Add the fact Pogba is leaving and Fletcher is seriously ill and it becomes even clearer. I am with you on the Strootman thing, top player and will become much better very quickly in a better side.

Sydney!

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Stop talking crap...we got knocked out out of the FA cup in the forth round by Liverpool, we got knocked out of the Carling Cup in the Quarter Finals agains Crystal Palace and didn't even make it through the group stages in the Champions League.
Have a think before you right stupid posts and check your facts you clown!
Add to the fact we never really played well all season and only just scraped through winning games in the league.
I wasn't a vintage season by any means and we do need to strenghen badly in the midfield area...take your silly red blinker off!

Simmo

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Sydney

At last a man who actually talks sense...thank you!

Simmo

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Like tosic&bebe did unless I know different I don't see any of europes top6 clubs being linked to stroopman so what's the big deal {Ed002's Note - I would expect plenty of interest if Strootman does become available - not least from AC Milan.}

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Id say Strootman is one of the most likely out of any other midfielder we are linked with.

Modric is a no go as we have kagawa

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Kagawa and Modric play in different positions. Modric is very much wanted by the manager with or without Kagawa at the club.

Sydney!

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Simmo your the one talking crap we will once again be the team to beat on all four fronts This year even if we don't make another signing get yourself off you tube doing you worldwide scouting and realise how lucky we are at Utd otherwise do what most do blame the Glazers for not spending £400 mill like city & Madrid and end up with only domestic success due to Barca being knackered for all their success over the last 3 years and city pipping us 3 minutes into injury time at home to qpr
Shame on you

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Simmo we did make the group stages of the CL. We didn't make the knockout stages 'check your facts you clown'

MaccaTheRed!

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Sorry Mr. No Name! You were the one saying we challanged on all four fronts last season were you not????
When have i mentioned or blamed the Glaziers in my post...another silly point made by you.
I can guarantee i know alot more about football than you do...you have to move forward with the times, Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes cannot play forever or are you happy with them trotting out on the pitch at the ripe old age of 40?
you obviously don't have a clue if you are happy with our options in the midfield. Probably 90% of the people on here know that we need to strenghen in this area apart for little old you!
Shame on me...lol shame on you for knowing sod all about Football!
Go and have a nap and clear your head!

Simmo

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I meant out if the group Macca

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You know loads about football there's no doubting that!
We've signed Powell & kagawa( who is our long term scholes replacement) but you mr football wise guy still don't get it. Cleverley Anderson Carrick fletcher? Giggs park are all top players providing their fit go on you tube and see for yourself.
Don't underestimate other posters cler clogs

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Macca,

simmo quoted 'we didnt even make it through the group stages. which is 100% correct because we didnt. that does not mean we didnt make it there, it means we didnt make it through. if youre gonna slate peoples posts at least get it right..

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Your like girls on here today

Ross

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My bad miss read it.

MaccaTheRed!

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Sorry mr no name did you say Anderson and Park are to players? Enough said I think I have made my point!
I can see the elite midfielders in Europe quaking in there boots if they saw Anderson and Park on the team sheet.
Point made good night!

Simmo

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Simmo (Jose) this all started with your post worrying about missing out on 2 fantastic talents in mvilla and stroopman what can you tell me about the pair of um because I don't see how they would improve us
Ozil Modric & silva yes but not Newcastle Utd targets please
No name

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What I can say is this they are both far superior players than Park and Anderson that's if Anderson ever gets fit and plays again. I wasn't saying we need to specially sign them two I was just throwing names into the hat. My point is there are better players out there that are available than the likes of Park, Anderson, Fletcher and Giggs who got to many games playing in the centre as cover

Simmo

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28 Jun 2012 15:54:53
Any chance we could bid/get adam johnson?

Cretins and the EMu.

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Hope not, I want a top class winger not a Jarvis or a Downing.

Sydney!

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Not worth it. Not good enough for United.

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I think he could be very good in the right hands.
Similar to young when he gets chance.

Cretins and the Emu.

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I am sure someone like Pulis or O'Neill will get the best out of him. He is better than Downing, but not as good as Young.

Sydney!

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I think the whole point of transfers is to buy a player either better than you have already got, or someone who is young with the potential to be better. It would be a backward move, even a lateral move isn't acceptable for a top club. You must improve the squad or you will end up like Liverpool. This is a player who will improve Stoke or Sunderland, but he wouldn't add anything to what we don't already have.

Sydney!

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Worthless signing.

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Oh well lol...

Cretins and the Emu.

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C&E, I did look at him at Middlesbrough and think he could be worth a punt, but that was at 20, at 25 he hasn't improved and he still furiously frustrates Mancini.

Sydney!

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28 Jun 2012 15:47:44
Just some food for thought - Would anyone be interested in watching Joey Barton wearing MUFC Jersey? {Ed004's Note - Never!}

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So...is this a trick question? Do you think SAF should sign me up? 230LBS from Jamaica that only knows how to dribble a football on my computer.

Bernidre

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Joke of the day

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28 Jun 2012 15:34:59
I've just been wondering, does anybody know who the last German to play of United was?

Hoppy {Ed004's Note - Zieler the keeper}

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28 Jun 2012 13:25:51
Just wondered what people's thoughts are on Beckham not being selected for the olympic squad. I personally feel that the amount of work he put into us winning it in the first place, and the fact that he's still awesome makes this a shocking decision from pearce!

Thoughts?

Nozzla

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Completely agree, what a kick in the teeth for DB,

What a perfect captain he would be too.

Cban {Ed004's Note - I found it a bit disrespectful}

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To be honest i'd say he's still better than Giggs and Bellamy.

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Nothing surprises me regarding Pearce, he's an awful manager regardless of this decision.

Sydney!

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How often do you guys see him play?

Apparently Pearce went to watch him and even Beckham admitted he had been poor, so Pearce has made his decision based on football rather than because it was inevitable.

Maybe he feels he wants somebody experienced in the defence, I have no idea.

It does appear to be a little disrespectful, but I have not seen Becks play for a while, he is hardly playing in the toughest league available either!

GDS

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I have to disagree, class is permanent as they say, and he is still fit as a fiddle. he was the ideal leader, not to mention free kick and corner taker. poor from Pearce, FA, olympic team etc!

Massive disrespect.

But he will take it extremely gracefully.

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Absolutely gutted. Was looking forward to seeing him play again. I might actually consider selling my tickets now...

T0MB0Z

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Should he be selected for the work he has done for the Olympics and popularity and interest he would bring to the British team OR merely on football ability?
Personally I would say just the latter though he could be a good influence and leader to some of the youngsters in the side as well. I was quite surprised he was left out but dont agree with all the "disrespect" comments seen all over the net as he is after all a footballer and there are quite a few over age players to choose from if available Scholes, Carrick, Ferdinand, Owen just being a few examples spring to mind and there not being disrespected. and as I said and an earlier poster mentioned should be picked for footballign reasons.
Invisible STuey

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He chose money and substandard football and a life of glitz and glamour he doesnt deserve to play. i for one am glad he aint there.

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He chose money and substandard football and a life of glitz and glamour he doesnt deserve to play. i for one am glad he aint there.
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Sometimes I disagree with a comment so much that I just cant bring myself to respond to it directly....this is one of those occasions.

TK-Red

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It's disgusting, the fact he has picked to bellamy and micah richards shows you how bad a manager he is.

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Bellamy and Micah Richards are both better players than Beckham is nowadays. Three things:

1. Pearce is no good as a manager - he tries his best to school all the technique and skill out of England's Under-21s
2. Beckham isn't good enough to be in the Olympics team
3. Nobody cares about Olympics football anyway, it's pointless

DarkLard08

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I kinda agree with DarkLard here on all 3 points

Gav

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Footballing ability will not help britains olympic football team anyway they will get battered by others like argentina,brasil etc they have no chance
johndenton

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28 Jun 2012 13:21:06
Modric is not coming, alba isn't coming, we seriously need to get another midfielder, a full back and a forward. Come on saf, give us something for us united fanatics to chew on

Philiphs93

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Why exactly do we need a forward...

T0MB0Z

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The same reason we need a midfielder tomboz not good enough

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I've never seen T0MB0Z play. He might very well be good enough.

DarkLard08

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28 Jun 2012 11:34:01
Ok what about this then.

England Team/Squad for Brazil 2014??

Hart

Walker
Johnson

Jones
Cahill
Lescott
Terry

Cole
Baines

Walcott
Milner
Johnson

Cleverley
Rodwell
Gerrard
Wilshire

young
Ox

Rooney
Welbeck
Carroll
Sturridge

Playing 4-1-3-1-1

Any thoughts? {Ed004's Note - Smalling is better than Jones}

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Terry most probabaly won't be in it by then, Smalling will be first choice. -JakeW

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I think in the upcoming friendlies we should give our youngsters a chance and try and play a little more like Germany, mix experience with youth and go for nice passing, quick counter attacks and solid defense, so IMO i think the team should be..

GK -
Hart(C), Amos, Buttland

DEFENDERS:

Richards, Walker, Terry, Smalling, Jones, Lescott ,Cole, Bertrand
{Richards could also be used as a CB and Jones RB}

MIDFIELDERS :

Wilshere, Cleverley, Powell, Parker, Johnson, OLC, Young, Walcott, Sturridge

FORWARDS:
Rooney, Welbeck, Carrol


Team:

433/451

__________Hart(C)_________
walker_smalling_lescott_A.Cole
__________Parker__________
_____wilshere__cleverley____
johnson____rooney_____O.L.C



JK92

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I was wondering about smalling....I just think Jones at this moment is more likely to be Vidic's partner than smallings (partly down to injuries).
Also I don't see England not taking Terry to the world cup, would be a inexperienced back four without him (Plus I hate Terry with a passion) {Ed004's Note - Smalling is more likely to be Vidic partner. He suits Vidic's style of defending more}

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Smalling or Evans will partner Vidic, not Jones.

Sydney!

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Or Ferdinand of course ;)

Sydney!

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Parker in 2014 over Gerrard?? No chance, plus if your looking for quicker counter attacks, then it's a big no to Parker.

Will be fun to see who emerges in the next season or two.
Powell....maybe a squad player?
cleverley......needs games and again for me a squad player.

I would go
-----------Hart-------------
Walker - Jones - Cahill - Cole
----------Gerrard-----------
Johnson--Wilshere-----O.L.C
----------Rooney-----------
---------Welbeck-----------

I think you can do a lot with that formation.
Johnson and Milner can swap. Walker is quality at getting past the RM so would need someone who would be willing to track back as in Milner.
O.L.C and Young can swap, Even Rooney up top with Young playing of the striker.
Plus good options in the centre with Jones, Rodwell, Cleverley all being able to come in and do a job.

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Hmm by the time 2014 comes along I would go with Utd's back 4 being
Smalling----Jones----Vidic----??

Smalling as a RB wouldn't be the sor tof Rb to go flying past the winger on the overlap but he would support.

Jones would be a better CB because he could bring the ball out of defence like Rio used to do and and spray the ball. He does need work on his positioning but he needs to cement one position and be class in it rather than just being good in 3 positions.

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___________Hart
Walk___Small___Cahill___Cole
__________Beasty
____Wilshere____Cleverley
Powell_____Rooney_____Oxlade

Sadly I have a strong feeling we will not reshape our naff squad and we will keep an even older Lampard, Gerrard, Parker and Terry in the team. A lot can happen in the next two seasons, but I think Cleverley and Wilshere will be regulars by then. Powell can play as one of a front three or in the hole, so giving his versatility and Ed001's opinion of him, if all goes well over the next two years he should be a regular. We will see I guess. I think Jones will play as a defensive midfielder. Not one that will get forward like Martinez, but a Mascherano or De Jong type player who will sit and stay in front of the back four. It's time to get a team together and stick with it. We need players who can keep the ball something Parker & Gerrard cannot do.

Sydney!

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JK, not impressed with Adam Johnson at all. Inconsistent, doesn't track back, greedy and has bad attitude problems. People look at Johnson and see a £20m City winger, what he really is is a £10m Stoke City winger. An alright squad player, but never first choice for a top club.

Sydney!

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Brazil will be fairly hot and humid in June. No good for our boys I'm afraid, might as well look to the world cup after that as the Brazilian one will probably be won by a south American side or Spain possibly Portugal.
It's only Brazil I think who have ever won the world cup outside their own continent.

Supasub

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Syd, i agree with you about his attitude but the is no doubting his ability IMO.

JK92

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Supasub

Spain just won it in Africa mate ;-)

I agree that a massive advantage will swing in the way of South American teams and also the likes of Spain and Portugal for the 2014 tournament so much so I am going to put £20 on Portugal to win it.

Jono

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Who cares? This is a man utd page, not England.

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JK, I doubt his ability. As does Mancini. He is a mid-table winger. Very predictable, very greedy and very average IMO. I think he may join someone like Sunderland for £10m-£12m. Maybe even Liverpool, he wouldn't improve our team, but would improve their naff squad. Is he any better than Sessegon or McClean for Sunderland? I am not so sure, but I think if Sunderland sell Sessengon then they may opt for Johnson. He is a Sunderland fan too.

Sydney!

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Why does everyone think walker would make a better right back than micah richards? could quite easily solve our right side issue whilst fitting into hodgsons style by playing walker wide right and richards right back. micah richard is hands down the best right back in england by a country mile.

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28 Jun 2012 10:10:08
Wow, well done on signing Nick Powell! He was absolutely amazing for Crewe which is probably the appropriate level for Manchester United. You might be lucky to get 16th this season {Ed004's Note - Bitter much?}

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Liverpool fan upset that they lost sissurgoson?

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Yes, one of the best young English players, probably going to be a future England star.

I don't know who you support, but I am guessing Powell is already better than for example, Henderson, Spearing and Shelvey!

GDS

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Bitter cos we signed him and not you?

bitter cos every decent/good player is turning you down...

diddums..

JK92

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I think if you are bitter at least try to be clever.

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City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool & Newcastle all had levels of interest in Nick Powell and he chose to join the mighty Manchester United.

Sydney!

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He is not good enough for Liverpool we have better young lads than him, in 2 years he will probally be playing for your 2nd team everton ha ha ha ha.Lee {Ed004's Note - So he will still be playing for a better team than Liverpool? Your posts are getting boring now and aren't clever or funny or adding anything to the site so will start to be deleted.}

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Lee - has your mum removed the web site parental controls - think she needs to put them back.

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Quick question Lee, do you get day release once a week then spend it all on this site?

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Who allowed that witless hobo Lee back on here?

TK-Red

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Coming from the team who have got a new manager who apparently isnt even able to entice one of his old players to the club as they look likely to go to Spurs instead, currently a much more successful club though of course so who can blame him.
Invisible STuey

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28 Jun 2012 07:21:12
If modric is on his way to madrid anyone think a cheeky bid for ozil would be likely? I know that we were linked with him before his move to real
SeanCav

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If oezil/kagawa could play deep where scholes plays then there is no reason both of them can't be in the same line up.

______de gea____
rafa_vidic_rio_evra
___carrick_oezil___
Toniv_kagawa_nani
______rooney____

ozil could be our replacement for scholes, he has great vision, passing, link up and has that desire to chase the ball and work for the team.

JK92

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JK

I am an advocate of Martinez but we don't appear interested. Oezil is a quality player and should Modric go to Madrid I would try for Oezil. In fact i would prefer Oezil to Modric. I think your team is slightly out in that if the interest is genuine in Rodriguez then Nanis days have to be numbered.

Interestingly Oezil and Rodriguez give us balance with two quality left footed players , something we haven't had for a few years

Red Man {Ed004's Note - I am sorry but were would we play Ozil and Kagawa. Both are similar players. I am not sure how you could fit them in the same team especially as Fergie said he wouldn't play a DM}

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Ed004, oezil could replace scholes, have carrick as our deep mid protecting the back four and have oezil as the passer and deep lying play maker.

JK92 {Ed004's Note - I know Ozil is an extremely hard working player but would be able to a) adapt to the PL b) adapt to playing to a deeper position and finally c) offer enough defensively.}

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There is no e in ozil {Ed004's Note - I thought there was if you couldn't put the two dots over the o}

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Your right it is ozil but in german O with the dash above is pronounced as oe (like in old english) but we don't have O with dash above... so that's why we put oezil..

also ed, scholes doesn't offer much defensively, and ozil much younger than scholes and has a better work ethic so if anything he would improve us IMO.

JK92 {Ed004's Note - Yeah I know he is a very hard worker. But would he be able to adapt to a more defensive position}

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I don't think it would be a defensive position ed.

maybe something like this

______degea
rafa_vidic_rio_evra
_____carrick_____
toni_kag_ozil_nani
_____rooney_____

let carrick be the busquets of the team and ozil and kagawa as the xavi and inniesta?

he isn't the biggest built guy but nether is any of the barcelona midfield apart from busquets.

JK92 {Ed004's Note - He still has a physical physique, he is 6ft so he is a tall player and was able to cope with the Bundesliga and it is a physical league. I don't think we will sign Ozil but he would be a wonderful player}

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I agree ed, i don't think we'll sign him but for me he is the dream signing.

JK92 {Ed004's Note - I am still not sure he would be the best signing for that position. I think Modric would offer more to the team in a deeper position}

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PLease can people drop the Ozil talk. There is no way Madrid are releasing him unless its for silly money only the likes of City would spend. I really dont understand this talk whatsoever. Why would they wish to release one of the best young players in Europe who has had a successful time since being there also? If he moves at all and it is less for £45-50m I will allow myself to be put in stocks and have tomatoes thrown at me. This isnt going to happen.
Invisible STuey

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And who said it was likely that he would sign for us?
we were discussing where he'd play IF he ever became available and we signed him..

JK92

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28 Jun 2012 05:52:34
i love nani , i dont want him to be sold at all , hes our best winger :) young is just bad and valencia is hesitant... park is like a headless chicken

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Valencia is hesitant?

In what way? He is out most consistent crosser of the ball and provides so much, crazy post.

GDS

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28 Jun 2012 00:59:36
Moutinho seems quality. I think we should watch him.

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28 Jun 2012 00:56:16
i find it even more funny now watchin the game tonight that liverpool bought henderson for 20mil and sold raul meireles for 12 million i know hes not the greatest midfielder but he helped stopp a spanish/barca/real team for 120 mins

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27 Jun 2012 23:45:34
Just looking at the Dreamteam tables and I think I am in with a great shout at 3rd. Pardoe is looking strong in second so I will need my Cesc & Silva to outscore Schweinsteiger by 22 points for me to overtake him.

Sydney!

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Would love to say that was me Sydney but its my eldest. Until today I was firmly at the apse end

Pardoe

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Magoo, I think you'll find you're 8th

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I know mate, but I believe I can finish 3rd place. Pardoe's lad and COYS are too far in front for me to overtake me thinks.

Sydney!

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I'm miles behind! Missed 3 transfer windows!

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We will do a Sun Premier League Dreamteam from August. Much better than that Fantasy Football one. Try and get a couple hundred involved, perhaps even Ed002 ;)

Sydney!

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