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27 May 2015 19:36:00
What do the eds think of a few players on show tonight sevilla players krychowiak and alexi Vidal and konoplynka
Cjwales82
{Ed004's Note - Didn't get to see the game}
29 May 2015 08:37:45
I've watched Sevilla a few times recently and Krychowiak has impressed me every time , similar type of player to Matic .
28 May 2015 21:57:24
Slight change of topic but thought I'd bring it to the table anyway, with regards to our next manager. I know further down we had the discussion regarding Giggs getting the job but do people really think he will? When you look around this season there is a few high calibre candidates. Obviously lvg, rightly IMO, stays another year at least. Ancelotti has said he is taking a 12 month sabbatical ( for medical purposes ) but could he become an option in 12 months? Top manager. Also Pep looks like he will be available in 12 months. Does anyone think these guys might be holding out for the United job? Knowing lvg is short term? There is also Klopp available but as its this year I find it unlikely he will be available u less he takes a short term job somewhere. I actually feel he will end up at Liverpool this season.
Anyone similar thoughts?
28 May 2015 22:08:52
I always thought Klopp and Pep would suit United and their history and style. I guess time will tell, will LVG stay the 3 years and if Giggs would be ready even earlier etc. I'm sure there are plenty of suitors to the United job tho.
28 May 2015 22:10:09
i think giggs is being lined up for the job .
i don't think he would of been lvg first choice as his number1, so i would guess it must of been a club choice.
you would have to think if club want giggs in the current role it would be with a view of him getting the top job.
lvg has also said he expects giggs to take over after him
28 May 2015 22:47:57
Personally the way I see it, pep has one year left at bayern. And is likely to leave and take a one year sabbatical after that, same as when he left barca. He has always expressed an interest in managing United, he's mentioned it many times and I think if he's out of work in LVGs 3rd and final year in charge I think it'll happen. Also worth noting both peps barca and bayern times were managed and largely put into place by LVG.
28 May 2015 22:56:14
Pep will take over LVG, well that's his current pattern anyway. It would make sense Peps philosophy holds it's foundations in LVG's.
Also contract timings fit
28 May 2015 20:49:27
Why do people keep talking about swap deals! Surely in this day and age a swap deal is near on impossible with agents etc. Especially when you're talking about world class players, playing for top clubs. Gone are the days of 7m and a Keith Gillespie for your striker.
28 May 2015 21:55:26
It's a bit of a pipe dream, people usually presume if they want one of our players then we get the picking of theirs regardless of the price or whether the player wants to leave. The second a media outlet says 'swap deal' I switch off as its 99% of the time bull.
28 May 2015 19:29:45
Rumours coming out that we have submitted a offer in for Dante, any truth in this? what's peoples thoughts on him?
28 May 2015 20:00:25
I think he's a accident waiting to happen. didn't start either game vs Barce in the CL. Is it because he was not as good as what they had? (if so the cb that did play got taken apart) or was because he wasnt fit. Either way i don't think he's what we need unless its for peanuts as a backup.
28 May 2015 20:10:07
God I hope not, both he and Boateng are not up to much.
28 May 2015 20:16:44
Maybe we have , maybe we haven't but remember many players and agents are trying to get players new contracts, improve the contracts they are on , seal higher transfer fees, especially at this time of year. Remember the false intermediaries arriving at the Spanish HQ to "buy out" Herrera's contract, there are also likely lots out there claiming to be able to connect a player to United.
Just ask yourself whether it would be easier to negotiate if Manchester United are interested or are after or are rumoured to be in for the player? We will see plenty of rumours in the coming weeks very few of which will be true. Dante is 32 in October so doesn't seem realistic to me but I would bet a few of the players we are "in for" sign improved contracts this summer
28 May 2015 20:31:58
Dante's past his Peak!
28 May 2015 20:49:38
Good one beast.
His defending can be infernal sometimes.
That's all i had.
28 May 2015 20:58:01
You could turn a tractor and trailer round quicker than him
29 May 2015 10:45:52
A tractor and trailer dazw you could turn a seawise giant oil tanker quicker than him
28 May 2015 18:40:41
We've been linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia today. Much better rumour :)
28 May 2015 18:24:24
Look chaps, there is something bothering me and getting me very annoyed. Several times this week on this page and the rumours page reference has been made to Wesley Sneijder. My issue is that without exception everyone has spelt his name correctly. This really is not on, you all need to try harder. The most acceptable spellings are Snidjer, Shnayder, Schnadjer or for the more adventurous amongst you, Schneyjgder. Please try harder
28 May 2015 18:56:10
You mean Westley Spider the Dutch wonder kid? Or he was a kid when we was first linked ha.
28 May 2015 19:31:09
I think that Mongan Schinderling and Neongalan have taken over this year. that's the only reason we signed Di Maria so it could be spelt ADM.
28 May 2015 20:01:42
Attacking Defensive Midfielder? Class player.
28 May 2015 21:31:42
Check the rumours page, I used the correct spelling the other day, yours are just plain silly!
29 May 2015 16:04:54
To be honest i don't want shnider. Too Dutch for my liking.
Gyten from Benfica looks decent, plenty of potential.
28 May 2015 17:50:05
Let's start a new debate, or one I've not seen at least so forgive me if it's been talked about recently. Should Ryan Giggs be given the chance to succeed LVG as United manager or should he ply his trade elsewhere first?
28 May 2015 18:07:56
No should get the experiance from lvg and then go and prove himself in the lower leagues first
28 May 2015 18:15:22
No he hasn't got the pulling power (except you know who) that other managers will have when its time to change.What i mean to say is we need a champions league winning manager not a Moyes type manager
28 May 2015 18:17:23
I think Giggs is a legend. Depending on how he gets on in the next 2 years I think he may be given the chance. LVG rates him and hopefully is teaching him a great deal.
If LVG thinks he is ready, I'm happy with that
28 May 2015 18:37:46
Someone thought Moyes was ready and look how that went. Giggs needs to prove himself at a lower club first
28 May 2015 18:46:17
He should at least manage the U21's for a season. I don't mind recruiting from within so long as it is justified.
What do we really know about Giggs? My impression of him is that he is quiet, reasonably intelligent (but not clever enough). He has played under SAF and enjoyed that way of playing which is a bonus. The problem is that the ideas of SAF and LVG are completely different, is SAF spending any time with him, grooming him as well?
This is no means a barometer to judge him but from watching their nominal interactions on match day it seems LVG and Giggs aren't exactly bosom buddies. It is difficult to learn from somebody if you don't like the lesson being taught or the teacher, I can't see how Giggs will be ready in any case.
SAF's methods are of an era before, LVG's are not what Giggs the player was all about, he needs to go elsewhere for me - it would be a massive gamble that I frankly don't think Giggs has the intelligence/experience to deal with.
But who knows for sure I would rather Giggs than this guy, at least Giggs should bring a more entertaining approach based solely on the way he played of course! He will be allowed to make mistakes as well, is that a good thing if we want to be competing on all fronts?
28 May 2015 18:53:16
I would be worried if he walked straight into the job after LvG, I've seen little to convince me he is ready for such a top job at this stage. Perhaps some experience elsewhere, as has been mentioned.
28 May 2015 18:56:18
The general view of young potential managers is that they need to go away and get experience and a lower league team. But what actual benefit would this do him? He would be working at a team with less technical players then he is used to, less physically able players (endurance, speed etc) then he used to, poorer facilities, less funds, limited and poor support such as sport scientists and analysis teams and facilities. This isn't a criticism of lower league football but it would be an environment that Giggs has never encountered and if the idea of this is to prepare him for United, he will not encounter at United so why not serve his time under LVG and then step up if the club, LVG, players and himself believe he is capable. He is doing or done his coaching badges and worked under some great coaches so coaching is or should not be a problem, he has delivered team talks even as a player I expect under SAF, he has no doubt dealt with young players and experienced players coming to him for advice as a senior figure, he is an icon at United who everyone would look up to and respect. He has first hand experience of the modern game and will have a great understanding of how Chelsea, City, Liverpool etc will set up and know their players. His only lack of experience would be in the transfer market but then all he has to do identify the players he would like and let the club try to do the business so this wouldn't be a concern. He knows what it takes to win leagues, cups and European cups so the question has to be, why shouldn't Giggs be given the chance? LVG has a good record of former players going into management and being successful much like SAF did so Giggs has worked with 2 of the best managers in developing clubs and individuals. I for one think he should be one of the top contenders for the job after LVG.
28 May 2015 19:15:35
The problem is Giggs is in his comfort zone at Old Trafford , been there since he was a kid and ( rightly) a club legend. He's now assistant which means that although he has a role to play the pressure isn't on him and he won't get the flak when things go wrong .
Even Guardiola had a spell away from Barca playing in Italy and the Middle East and when he came back to Barca he managed the B team who play in the Spanish league and won promotion with them .
28 May 2015 19:28:32
Would like Giggs to go abroad even if it's just to coach or assist at a big european club. Being a one club man moreover predominantly a one manager man means he has only his experience as a player under Fergie. I think to be successful as a manager especially in the ECL I think you need to experience how other nations play and the tactics they employ. No coincidence all the best managers of today have worked all over Europe.
28 May 2015 19:31:17
Ports, you saved me a lot of bother, mate. Good post.
28 May 2015 19:53:40
Yeah, look at Eddy Howe. Played for Bournemouth, went straight into managing them and look how badly that turned out.
28 May 2015 20:12:57
Great point Ports.
28 May 2015 20:16:49
Lets see how he develops but there allot of players who went straight into big jobs with no experience such Krap Kenny lfc, Pep Barca, Klopp Dortmund, and younger Howe Bournmouth, so why not especially if we are no better than we currently are.
28 May 2015 20:50:29
I'm sure there are good examples and bad. I'm not sure sending him away for experience is the answer either but that doesn't change the fact that he's done little Imo to suggest to an outsider like me that he has the required skillset, despite his legend status. I guess those on the inside will be more educated on the matter.
28 May 2015 21:02:57
The structure of the club is against Giggs appointment. Look at Barcelona, the structure is there, the football methodology. The head coach just coaches the team. The coach is transitional , likely only short term.
At United we have a manager and a massive club where the manager is responsible for all aspects. It is too big for Giggs unless the structure of the club dramatically changes.
For me the problem is that too many are looking for someone who can give us another 26 years like SAF. It is very unlikely to happen, SAF was a one off, a very strong leader who had significant experience at Aberdeen.
Giggs needs to go and show he can win something somewhere else, a Newcastle or Sunderland but would they give him a chance? Probably not and nor should we until he has more experience, working alongside someone won't be enough and will be too big a risk.
28 May 2015 21:11:18
Klopp managed Mainz for years before Dortmund and Bournemouth with all due respect to them is not a big job
28 May 2015 21:32:27
As I have said many many times. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
28 May 2015 21:51:37
Where did Pep start his managerial career? Mourinho? Don't see any problem with promoting from within. Give him experience with the U21s and see how he gets on.
28 May 2015 23:17:44
World class players will not sign for us with Giggs as manager just like they wouldn't for Moyes .But they would with a Jose, Pep or Ancelotti
29 May 2015 00:18:56
So those saying yes are willing to take the chance on Giggs, who even if working with the U21's will be totally unqualified and tested, just because Pep n Jose managed it? How many have failed? I wouldn't chance it, Giggs is a legend at United, but it is a huge no from me, unless he leaves and proves himself elsewhere. There is far too much at stake these days, even more so than when Jose and Pep got their chance. The money and pressure grows by the season, we need proven management, not a fairytale.
29 May 2015 01:17:53
I don't see the point in sending Giggs anywhere. There's no earthly comparison between managing Shrewsbury, and managing Utd. Success at Shrewsbury, relative or otherwise, would prove absolutely nothing in terms of whether or not he could handle the Utd job. All it would prove is that he could manage a team from a lower division.
I'm not advocating him taking over, but he warrants consideration. Is promotion from within a 'bootroom' structure, really such a bad idea, especially if he's recommended by the current manager who's been around the block a bit? I'm sure if Giggs knew feck all, as some on here appear to think going by some of the comments against him during the season, then LVG would hardly be recommending him.
29 May 2015 02:12:24
Wow there is a lot of pessimism in this thread.
What was SAF all about? That's right taking risks with our own, putting our trust into our structures to know we can product amazing talent. I think Giggs should manage the U21 for a season or two and see how he gets on there.
He will be able to see the youngsters coming through and help mould them for when he takes over.
29 May 2015 08:39:11
I'm with you Brendan, just because it worked with Pep it will work with Giggs? We need to be ruthless when LvG goes not risk taking a step back by letting hearts rule heads. When Pep talks about football I stand up and listen whereas I have rarely been inspired listening to Giggs talk about the game. The way he set us up in the 4 games last season makes me worry he spent too long under saf to have picked up an understanding of modern football styles and tactics, I was a bit disappointed with what he did with that excellent opportunity tbh. If Giggs turns into a top manager prospect over the years then let's give him a shot but let's not just assume he will do well because of his legend status or because Pep managed it.
29 May 2015 09:39:43
Most of the pro Giggs points seem to be circumstantial e.g. Its worked for other people so why not?
I'm interested in what it is particularly about Giggs that makes people see him as qualified? Is it the way he talks about the game, the way he set us up in those 4 games or what he's done under lvg/moyes? Because I'm struggling to see much else to go off.
To those suggesting he gets experience with the u21's first that is a good shout - but will he get the chance to do that by the time LvG goes?
I'm all up for giving him the opportunity in years to come if he's earnt it and shown to be qualified but not just because his name is Ryan Giggs.
29 May 2015 10:03:13
LVG's an experienced football man, who see's him at work every day. He seems to think Giggs has got what's required, so I'd take that as a pretty good reference.
29 May 2015 10:39:35
LVG is just saying what the club want him to imo. He was forced to take Giggs. Giggs himself said his job is mainly to tell LVG about the history of certain fixtures and what to expect when we go to away grounds.
How was our award record by the way?
29 May 2015 10:41:01
Fair enough Stevie, although many of us thought the same when Saf gave Moyes a reference.
I'm hoping the next manager goes thru a thorough process where his qualities are put under the microscope. Not just handed the job by reference.
29 May 2015 10:43:32
NC99 - Fergie was an experienced football man and he thought Moyes was the man for us hence the reason for his 6 year deal. If Giggs got the job I would back him obviously but he would be far from my first choice at the moment.
29 May 2015 13:45:40
Nor mine, but he deserves to be mentioned, and our first choices might not be available. I think there's probably only three or four names, and maybe 10 or 12 teams with the pulling power to attract them. Maybe all the stars will align, and a world-class manager will just walk in on cue, but I doubt it'll be that easy.
28 May 2015 17:07:28
My take on the Gundogan situation:
we are intereted thouh he would rather join Barca when there transfer ban expires. However, Dotmund want to sell him this summer to get a fee for him so he may move to us (I get the imression he prefers us to Arsenal) as Dortmund try to make sure he leaves this summer. I'd rather we are his first choice club but he has mentioned us as his ideal club previously butI would love him here, he' be my first hoice signing for central midfeld.
28 May 2015 17:14:32
Quality post. I'm thinking you made most of it up but we need more of this. And who knows, you may be right.
28 May 2015 17:48:49
Quality post, you've hit the nail on the head. I hope we do sign him up, i'm just unsure with regards to his fitness. Has anyone actually seen Gundogan play recently?
28 May 2015 18:29:38
when I've seen him he has been average .
fantastic player before his injury , hope he gets back to his best
28 May 2015 14:41:15
Hi eds. I don't know the last time this was asked but do we still have an interest in Vidal? He's a great player and just what we need in the centre of the field. I would love to see him at OT !
{Ed007's Note - It was a whole three days ago.}
28 May 2015 16:19:10
The sevilla defender or Juve MF?
{Ed007's Note - Talk about MOTD fever!! Have Utd been linked with the Sevilla defender to STILL have an interest in him? Try the search function.}
28 May 2015 16:50:27
LOL Bond, just carrying on the fun from the rumor page, a bit of a laugh :)
28 May 2015 17:23:04
Just banter lads, that's all it is haha
28 May 2015 14:56:36
Why does it seem on this page that if certain opinions don't match more regular posters then it's wrong or disregarded. It's a banter site full of opinion no one opinion is more right than another, we need to get more on the same page as we all support United rather than defending our own points all the time.
On another point on behalf of us all of like to thank all the eds for there input, banter, work and insight during the past season and I wish you luck in the upcoming transfer window, I know I appreciate the knowledge and long may it continue.
{Ed001's Note - thank you, I will pass that on to Eds 007 and 025. Maybe even 004 if he is good. Maybe.}
28 May 2015 15:32:32
Top post and I would like to thank the eds for this top website.
28 May 2015 16:01:59
I consider myself a regular and I will agree or disagree with anyone, regular or not. Hopefully, reasonably politely but even if I disagree, all opinions are welcome.
28 May 2015 16:28:11
Some people take the mentality that they are debating with a fan of a rival club, that's the core problem. If you criticise something you automatically fall into the "enemy" category for some on here. The key to improvement is identifying weakness and improving it, too many people aren't willing to accept their ideals and common consensus is likely wrong, it happens in all walks of life.
It would be wrong to expect pundits to watch every game for every club, but some fans take what they say as verbatim. They will talk of Utds form and individuals form over the past few months having just watched a couple of games! Some fans think because a so called expert says it that this the gospel.
There are obviously well informed fans who fall on different sides of arguments and that normally makes for good debates, it's when the sheep get hold of something that everything goes tits up. Everything has to be black or white with those guys and that's when it all gets bitter - people basically in denial!
{Ed025's Note - great post that beast, i agree with every word mate..
28 May 2015 16:47:17
Pass our thanks onto ed002 aswell ed001 from all the people on here how value him/her opinon and not the bad vegetables how drove him/her away
28 May 2015 16:52:56
I have no problem with being disagreed with, that's kind of the whole point of a debate. Hopefully if you have a reasoned and respectful debate everyone can come away from it with a bit more knowledge. What I don't like is condescension and outright rudeness to others with a different opinion than you. A certain somebody is making this place a little toxic at the moment with this behaviour.
28 May 2015 17:05:34
Its GDS isn't it Rosie?
28 May 2015 17:14:48
Who are the 'sheep' beast? Someone who disagree's with u?
Sorry mate I don't think anyone is a sheep on here, everyone has an opinion like the u have said.
Some just don't always see the glass half empty all the time or think lvg is the problem of all problems.
Likewise some don't feel the need to constantly hammer home their personal agenda either.
Debates need to come back to this site and quick.
28 May 2015 17:20:04
I agree a second day in a row with you here AJH ha, yeah it's all in good fun wether we agree or not or at least it should be. Yes Rosie it's what I was saying that you've put more eloquently than me about the condescending tones. Top post that beast aswell.
Yes don't forget ed 002, maybe a bit of flattery from us all will bring her back, miss you Ed2 x
28 May 2015 17:45:29
Not a Rooney debate tho Chris ha
28 May 2015 18:29:38
Always gets the juices flowing WRD
28 May 2015 19:17:41
Chris - It varies dependent on topic. There are people with views that are very firmly in place, this isn't a bad thing of course, but there needs to be some flexibility and being able to see things from more than one perspective.
For example you highlight that I believe LVG is the problem of all problems, this is wrong. Lots of people ignore half of what I say and just jump on the LVG thing because its easy and if you disagree with a point I am making just bang the Beast hates LVG drum and my post just gets disregarded by many.
He is the key problem performance wise, but there are many other issues aside from LVG. Woodwards inexperience in the transfer market or our incompetence whoever is at fault, the failure of our youth system, the inability to bring potential top class players through to where they ought to be (Jones, Smalling, Rafael, Fabio, Zaha, Januzaj the list goes on). The handover from SAF. Our inability to be ruthless with players reaching their sell by date (Massive problem which we are still ignoring). Young players made of glass.I am sure there are many other issues which have nothing significant to do with LVG.
LVG is building something that is fundamentally wrong in my eyes but I don't blame him for all that is wrong. He is just a guy with a plan and I think it stinks, the people backing him at the club and tolerating his nonsense are just as bad, but LVG is the figure head and ultimately the person taking us down this path to "boredomville".
A big problem is the fans allowing LVG to believe what he is doing is approved by us, he constantly says the fans back the way I play, he is attributing general support of stability to what we are seeing on the pitch, this is a horrible abuse almost a delusion.
He probably has some fantastic ideas and I have read from several posters (Red Man in particular I believe)that he is helping organise a hell of a lot behind the scenes, so he is not all bad. But we are not entertained by youth set-ups, diets, training, commercial contracts, etc etc, The reason we watch Man Utd is to be entertained and excited on match day, LVG seems like he couldn't care less about that.
We are all hoping we sign some very good players this summer, but whenever we announce something I will always be thinking we could be getting so much more from them with a different manager that has the attacking ethos I grew up loving. I just hope this summer he instils the attacking mind-set and system that we deserve to see for the players we possess.
28 May 2015 19:55:57
Beast, one of your better posts my friend. as you say the are some deep rooted issues still to be addressed.
28 May 2015 21:42:39
AJH,
That made me laugh pal, it could be me to be fair, although I haven't said I'm going on a break, changed my name and posted on every post for 2 days so I would guess it wasn't aimed at me.
Hope not anyway, love you rosie!
28 May 2015 21:55:12
beast
2 very good posts pal
29 May 2015 15:59:05
"Beast as you say the are some deep rooted issues", AJH
I think you're right AJH, my sisters a pyschatrist and for a small fee would help Beast deal with his issues.
28 May 2015 14:29:12
I'm alittle concerned about some, not all, but some of LVG's signings? I thought LVG was here to set foundations ie youth and it's seems as pressure has forced him into a quick fixes to challenge for trophies? Ok maybe there is a need to have a mix, buy players we are being linked to seem to be older and have a few years left in them, I mean playing at top level? Which would mean spending more in 2/3 years time? Why not spend on 'recognised' younger talent that will last more years? Thoughts welcome (be nice please) thanks
28 May 2015 14:58:43
he has given youth a chance throughout this season.
and the players we have bought so far under him are all 25 or under bar di maria.
what recognised younger talent is their that would instantly be a hit, its a gamble to buy players at any age.
but the fact lvg has gave our younger players enough game time and has said on many occasions it isn't all about buying the best if someone shows signs they can become the best no matter what there age.
i think he has proved everywhere he has managed youth gets a fair chance, and if good enough will play.
28 May 2015 14:59:39
Ronnie,
You are getting 'players we are linked with' mixed up with 'LVG signings'. LVG has signed one player this summer, Memphis Depay, 21 year old up and coming star.
28 May 2015 15:15:24
He's only signed one player lol, calm down son. It's going to be a long transfer window!
28 May 2015 15:30:23
Ronnie, I understand (I think) what you are trying to get across and in a perfect world we would all sign young stars in the making as we believe we would get more value for money in terms on longevity but the managers have to consider a mix of youth and experience. The class of 92 got their real chance when Ince, Hughes and Kanchelskis left resulting in the famous ''you don't win anything with kids'' shout from a scouse legend but within that team there was Schmeichel, Irwin, Bruce, Pallister and Cantona and SAF brought Cole and established striker by that time. I am quietly confident that LVG lays strong foundations when he is at a club, much like SAF did and having seen Blackett, McNair, Wilson (although briefly) get chances and Perriera signing a contract and being involved in the first team squad, opportunities to promote from within the club will be increased. I'm sure after seeing a few of our youngsters on pre season tour, the page will be full of posters calling for the kids to be giving a chance, but they will also need those experienced heads around them who know what it takes to win titles.
28 May 2015 15:46:55
Sorry guys, it's only been a season and I suppose I've been spoiled with success with Utd! I'm sure there is work going on behind the scenes and long may it continue! Patience is a virtue as they say! (But, I'm not very good with patience, ooopppss!)
28 May 2015 18:00:22
Ironically Ronnie the fans and owners lack of patience is what can lead to buying short term fixes. If LVG was to sign 6 young players with potential this summer and 2 flopped 2 did ok and 2 did well enough to b first team regulars would we b happy? Bearing in mind we need an established leader for defence and midfield i'd say signing a few world class older players on the cheap and a few young potential stars is a better idea. Alves and schweinsteiger with otamendi/ hummels, depay and mayb 1 more youngster would b a great mix of youth and experienced leaders for me. At a nice price as well if rumours r true
28 May 2015 13:52:38
With regard to Hazard I think the subsequent posters made my point, notwithstanding the predominance of disagree buttone. We were outbid, whether it was the transfer price, the wage or the agent's cut, a preference for playing in the capital as opposed to a provincial city, or a combination of all 4. As Danny pithily puts it "Chelsea sure have egg on their face now"
JMB, when did I ever say we were a mediocre club? What I said was we're no longer the only show in town. Other clubs have been outbidding us, and we're going to have to get real about the way the business works if we want to get the best talents into our club. It's not going to be as easy as a load of knee jerk reactions from the faithful going on about how we're the greatest club of all time. It's quite obvious we have been outmaneuvered in the transfer market for at least the last 5 years, paying too much for the wrong players, not getting rid of players when they still had a value, and overpaying mediocre ones on our books.
As for our football, that's another matter, because for the last couple of years it has frequently been no more than mediocre, which given the resources at our great club is a travesty in itself.
If you want to move forward you must first know where you are standing. Fergie had become a dinosaur - a T-Rex, I grant you, but a dinosaur none the less. One can only hope that Beast's belief that we have employed another one to replace Moyes, proves to be incorrect.
28 May 2015 14:21:38
Shaw - what you were getting at was saying that the lure of a club like Man Utd is no longer enough because players would rather eat crepes in Paris or have a cocktail under the shadow of Big Ben. The players who want to be champions will always be interested in a move to a club like United with a rich history and state of the art facilities.
We are a global brand, one of the top 3 commercial enterprises in soccer and you are trying to say the only selling point we have to top players is paying outrageous wages? Who do you think we are Man City? It's this type of mindset that has folk content with 4th place finishes.
28 May 2015 14:30:13
Players join clubs for a number of different reasons: the style of football, the manager, the city, the climate, the club's history and on and on.
The only universal language of football is money, and if you offer the club, the player and the agent the money, you're in with a shot. The issue with players like Hazard is we didn't give him a choice to make. We'll never know if the opportunity to play under SAF would swung it for him because we didn't stump up the cash. I'm fed up of the 'we don't buy stars, we make them' attitude. The clubs competing at the top level on a regular basis buy stars and make them into bigger stars.
Our attitude seems to have changed in the last three windows, and at least now if we lose out on a player it isn't because we were being tight.
28 May 2015 15:01:04
whats the big deal with why hazard chose chelsea? get over it
28 May 2015 15:50:14
Spb, the reason we're discussing Hazard is nothing to do with being "over it" but about the attitude our club has to the market in which it exists.
I am of the opinion that we have been living on our name for too long, and it's not enough - just ask the Liverpool fans.
Our club generates a fantastic income stream but over recent years it's gone to 2 things: excess debt repayment and servicing, and an inferior transfer policy, which I would contend was symptomatic of a hubristic attitude brought about by 25 years of success under 1 manager. Fortunately, as Danny says, that attitude appears to have changed. I'm sure last year was quite sobering to the powers that be.
At a club that generates the EBITDA United does, anything less than challenging for the league and a regular berth in the latter stages of the Champions League can only be chalked up to bad management.
28 May 2015 12:47:11
If Ed002 is about, could you please take the time out to tell us if there is any chance of us making anymore new signings before the transfer window shuts, and if so, are we interested in any german players, because I think this is were we should be looking as they was a really good team in the last world cup, I think.
{Ed002's Note - I am not providing any information to the Manchester United page any more, sorry.}
28 May 2015 13:05:25
Is this a joke post?
28 May 2015 13:15:08
The transfer window hasn't even opened yet.
It's obvious that we will be signing more players because both Woodward and LVG have said so. Who these players are, what their nationality is, how old they are, who their brothers' support, what they think of Manchester as a city, etc, etc, etc is beside the point.
The manager discusses the positions he needs filled and the players he would like to sign to fill them with the club's money men. They then sound out who is possible or likely to sign, and how much they are willing to pay. At the moment Woodward has a list of targets and is most likely making enquiries about a number of different players through their agents. Agents are also trying to sound clubs out about potential moves, or using rumours to leverage contracts. At this point things are up in the air. There is loads and loads of info (from ed002) already in the archives about the players we have interest in. This list is obviously not definitive and things can change during the summer.
I just don't see why people obsess over who we will or won't sign at this stage of the summer. Things will happen if and when they happen, and knowing our potential targets before hand won't change this.
28 May 2015 13:17:45
RTFP!
28 May 2015 13:35:30
I think we should sign Matty Hummels, Likey Gundogan, Kevin De brunye, and Bale. Would everyone be happy with that and is it do able ed?
28 May 2015 15:08:22
i think we should go for alves kederia Why there free and then bale pogba and otenmedi .
28 May 2015 22:41:59
I'm not too keen on Dante because even though he plays for Bayern Munich, he is actually a brazilian I think, would much prefer Boateng, and Schweinstegier or even Tom Muller would be class, why have we not tried to buy these players or even attempted to??
28 May 2015 12:20:10
Seems to me that we are being linked with basically every good player in Germany or that is German: Leno, Khedira, Hummels, Dante, Schweinsteiger, Rodriguez, Gundogan, Muller, Reus . I'm sure that there are some I have missed.
Although most of it will be nonsense I am quite pleased by this I think German players are generally technically very gifted and have great ability and also resilience - they don't play act (apart from Muller).
I'd certainly like to see a few German's come in: Ideally Schweinsteiger as our number 6 and Gundogan to play alongside Herrera. I wouldn't even say no to Rodriguez.
The Rodriguez link is interesting. LVG stated that he wants two top players in every position. So might he want Rodriguez and Shaw?
28 May 2015 12:46:02
We've already got Shaw , Blind and Rojo so left back is well covered
28 May 2015 12:57:46
Would either really want to play 2nd fiddle though Fresh? Both are young so will want to play/develop, wouldn't work. We don't need a LB.
28 May 2015 14:13:46
No, neither would want to be second choice. I hope Shaw can get through a season and play 30 odd games with Blind rotating with him for Cups and things.
28 May 2015 15:10:55
Isn't Rodriguez from Switzerland? Or am I mistaken for a different player? i'm on about the LB from Wolfsburg.
28 May 2015 10:55:04
Been reading every day just not been posting in a while, been laying low as I play a lot of fifa and I am worried the FBI will bust in any minute.
I am looking forward to the summer market and I am intrigued as to who we are actually after as there have already been about one hundred players linked. I really think the main player we need is DDG to stay as he is a second line of defence on his own, it is like playing 4433 when he plays.
I think in depay we have already signed our best signing this season and although he is young I think he will have a simular impact to sanchez. Others I would like to see come in are Ottamendi and Muller but I am not sure we will be able to get Muller. Also anyone of vidal, schniederlin or someone like illarramendi (spelling on all names sorry).
I don't know about the RB position as I can't really see who will be available but I wouldn't mind Alves for this season until someone worth buying comes along, I don't want to see us throw all our money at Coleman. I also want to keep Di Maria for at least another year just to see if he can do anything next season, I just think he is suited to the champions league more than anything.
Outgoings: Evans, Cleverly, nani, hernandez, Rvp.
Hope you are all well
28 May 2015 15:58:28
was playing Fifa last night, and heard some sirens and turned it off!! don't wanna pay for another licence.
28 May 2015 10:36:36
I'd be happy with either Vidal & naingollan or Vidal & gundogan!! Both pairings are achievable! Fingers crossed.
28 May 2015 11:26:39
Vidal Gundogen for me
28 May 2015 12:15:04
Vidal and Gundogan are better as being sligtly more advanced than the deep lying role so both would be pointless. Out of the two I'd take Vidal along with a Schweinsteiger/Schneiderlin type player.
28 May 2015 12:33:26
I think Vidal would like CL football after reaching the final this year, something the pool can't offer!
28 May 2015 12:48:35
But arsenal can
28 May 2015 12:54:15
Gundogan & schweinstegier/schneinderlin as Gundogan is younger and a lot better than Vidal, Vidal just runs and runs around all day aimlessly, or better still schneider & schweinstegier/schneiderlin so there names are all similar and none of them feel left out, they would make a really good 3 man midfield, maybe herrera could play out wide right with another signing with the name called herrera on the left wing? Just a thought?
28 May 2015 09:00:25
Gaitan? What happened there?
28 May 2015 10:00:25
In what way?
28 May 2015 11:13:05
2 mornings in a row now Ronnie? Why can't you elaborate on this morn though?
Apparently we are set to unveil Gundogen also this weekend. Like we were Sneijder, Hazard, Lewandowski and Vidal in the past.
It's all speculation, so don't get your knickers too twisted until it's made official by Manchester United.
I would be amazed if we signed Gaitan, Just as I would this mornings reports of Rodriguez for left back. Purely because these are positions in which we are strongest.
Gundogen on the other hand. I feel Adidas will definitely want some German influence at United. Which is why a move would make sense for me. As would a move Schweinsteiger.
Both are German, and since March this year, both are now sponsored by Adidas.
28 May 2015 12:05:54
I was reading on this site through the night he was Barca bound? Sorry guys! I'll keep my mouth shut till about midday next time? Sorry again guys!!!
28 May 2015 12:14:52
You keep posting Ronnie!
28 May 2015 12:20:19
You do not need to apolagisemronnie post when you want that is what the site is for mate
28 May 2015 12:36:12
Rumour of us using Nani in a deal, if so, and the money side isn't too much, I'd do it, personally.
28 May 2015 14:19:34
Now now Ronnie, I was merely pointing out 2 mornings in a row about Gaitan. Lol, I just wondered what this mornings was about?. You explained yesterday mornings! In fact, I agreed that Gaitan was a strange link for us. As I thought he was primarily a left sided player, a position in which we are stronger than any other. Hence why I feel it's all just a ploy maybe from his agent, or just lazy journalism.
I don't think Gundogen is going Spain. I think in some way Adidas may be involved in him coming to united, as he recently went there from Nike. This is just my personal opinion on why it may have legs. I feel it would do us no harm to have dome German input, and who better than the German Captain Schweinsteiger and a new Adidas face in Gundogen. Both of whom are quite attainable, and both play in positions in which we are desperate. They would then give us a balance of the world's finest. A team influenced in Dutch, Spanish, Argentinian, Belgium, English, German. etc.
This makes attracting the world's finest a little easier. We have a couple of Young Brazilians in Rafael and peŕeira, but need to get to work on our French contingent (Benzema/Varane would be nice)
Admittedly, I don't expect the world to agree with my theories. And I have been known to be wrong too!!!
More importantly Ronnie, keep the posts coming. I've been about on this site for a good while, but rarely post these days as I was put off in the 'I AM KLOOT' days! I was also hounded when I suggested we should sign Fellaini, a year later we did!!!
I enjoy reading all the posters stuff, and some of the posts are really intriguing. I just like to sit on the fence.
Btw, I was sure a few years ago it was apparent that 002 was female. Still don't if it is the case!!
28 May 2015 09:00:03
who do you think should be Utd's first choice keeper for next season? A lot of talk of Keylor Navas and Asmir Begovic but I'd still like us to get a younger keeper, someone like Bernd Leno, Timo Horn or Anthony Lopes? What are your thoughts guys? Cheers!
28 May 2015 09:17:42
Asmir or no one new!
28 May 2015 09:39:18
Cech.
28 May 2015 10:10:18
Cech or loris for me. Not a big fan of Begovic and think he is overrated.
28 May 2015 10:28:45
Anyone else think lloris has really poor positioning? He's a great keeper don't get me wrong, his shot stopping and sweeping are brilliant but he's let in a few cheap goals due to poor positioning this season, if he sorted that out he'd be a fine replacement for de gea but it does worry me a bit.
28 May 2015 11:22:19
It has to be Cech for me!
28 May 2015 12:19:33
Please, see sense! Let's not give Chelski more money when there ARE other alternatives out there?
28 May 2015 12:53:31
I don't rate Lloris that highly, tbh. Having played in goal for many years when I was younger, I watch the PL keepers when I get the chance. I knew DeGea was going to be an excellent keeper from the first few home games I saw him play, which is why I defended him so vigorously on here, and anywhere else, when I heard him being criticised. Yes he was a raw talent, who made mistakes, but it was obvious he was going to develop hugely. Lloris doesn't do it for me at all though.
The only 2 keepers in the PL I'd want are both at Chelsea. Personally, I'd get Cech, if he isn't going to come then I'd use Valdes as number 1 and get a younger keeper to develop over the next few years, not sure how good our young keepers are as I don't see much youth football.
28 May 2015 13:19:50
Lloris for me as well but can't see Levy selling to us. Valdes will be a decent no.1 next season.
28 May 2015 13:38:00
Cech would be the best option. Top class keeper, proven in the EPL, bags of experience and could easily play at the top level for another 5 years. We have brought in a number of highly rated young keepers in the last few years, and they could really benefit from a player like Cech.
As much as I like Lloris, Levy would demand a ridiculous fee. As for Valdes, teams will recognise how poor he is at commanding his area and exploit it at every opportunity. He's at the level De Gea was when he signed for us. Difference is that he is 33 whereas De Gea was 21. Decent back up, but never first choice.
28 May 2015 17:51:27
Dave should be the keeper for next season.
28 May 2015 08:59:36
with the Imminent departure of de Gea? Whose is your guys first choice to replace him?
28 May 2015 09:18:02
Asmir or no one new!
28 May 2015 04:29:35
I'm posting at this SAD time to give my condolences to the O'Herlihy Family. Bill was not a footballer or Manager for any team etc but he was famous for being a sports pundit on Irish TV and caused many a debate with ahis in depth analysis of football before, during & after a game for many many years.
R.I.P Bill O' Herlihy
28 May 2015 07:33:46
Well said, a legend who guided me and thousand others through iconic footballing events and matches, irreplaceable memories of this man.
28 May 2015 11:44:45
Well said, Bill was a fantastic broadcaster, graeme souness' tribute was fantastic.
We'll leave it there so Bill.
RIP
28 May 2015 15:23:43
Loved watching Bill and the boys, he was great at getting a good debate going between Giles, Brady and Dunphy
Okey doke Bill rip
27 May 2015 10:56:51
Hi Eds this is not a post but I am being very curious. I found out this page during the summer transfer of Moyes period. I found the site through Google. There is no About Us link in this page. Wo are you guys really? You guys seem to get most of your info spot on? And there are Ids upto Ed25 :O? Who knows may there are more than 25 Eds. Doing it for free you guys are really great.
Many Thanks.
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{Ed025's Note - there is actually an ED036 wayne..we all do it because we love the game mate..our identity is kept secret as most of us are on the interpol most wanted list.. :)
28 May 2015 13:21:03
LOL Ed. I always knew there was something fishy about you guys. You lot sound like a Masonic order: The Ed's :))
{Ed025's Note - we meet once a year sam and wear fez.s and have one trouser leg rolled up mate.. :)
28 May 2015 01:53:46
Honestly think Mats Hummels would be one of the worst signings we could make this summer. Slow, injury prone, poor season and loses concentration too often for a supposed £30m+ defender. Have never seen the fuss with him.
Now Otamendi on the other hand, is absolutely top class. Reads the game well, great in the tackle, absolute warrior. Reminds me of Vidic. Would be well worth paying the £35m clause. If not him, then Laporte or Varane.
But definitely not Hummels.
{Ed007's Note - I've always been a bigger fan of Subotic than Hummels but I can't see him going anywhere, it looks like he'll be signing a new deal at Dortmund.}
28 May 2015 02:25:48
Same here mate. Hummels strikes the wrong chords with me as well. Everyone here seems to go after names. We have brought names, haven't we? Look what has happened. We need tough and fast players to survive the premier league. Look at Chelsea. Depay and hopefully Di Maria will handle the flair department. We need effective players, tough and not injury prone. I'd go for Otamendi, Clyne, Schneiderlin and Berahino. Cue the disagreements.
28 May 2015 03:02:40
Redsoul
Otamendi, Clyne and Schneiderlin yes I would go for but i'm not convinced with Berahino, he apparently has attitude issues which is never a good sign, he also has an agent who can be difficult.
First choice forward for me is Lewandowski(no chance) then Benzema (could be possible) both pretty tough and not inury prone.
28 May 2015 03:15:48
Yikes. Not sure about the sudden hating of Hummels. I for one still think he would be a great signing. A player doesn't become poor overnight despite having a poor campaign. I agree that there might be younger and less expensive options out there though, but I would be no means be disappointed with the signing!!!
28 May 2015 04:09:45
Herbie,
You may he right about Berahino. Can't we take a chance with him? He has all the attributes.
{Ed025's Note - very good player redsoul but a loose cannon, WBA will want top dollar for him which makes it a big gamble imo mate..
28 May 2015 04:21:00
Agree with Herb on Saido Berahino. I think he has talent but his attitude needs addressing before anyone comes in for him. I am also not sold on Clyne. I think he is overrated because he is English and has been shown up in the past few months. The one I do agree with massively is Schneiderlin, top player and he is the lynchpin we are craving.
28 May 2015 08:46:34
G.A.G.U.S - Injury prone? in the last 5 seasons he has made the following appearances(not including internation games)
10/11 - 38
11/12 - 40
12/13 - 39
13/14 -29
14/15 - 31
i can't see how he is injury prone, hummels was great in the world cup against the best players in world football, people seem to not want him because of his lack of pace, yet he is one of the best defenders around, reads the game and is not afraid to put a tackle in or come out and play with the ball, everything we are clearly lacking.
28 May 2015 08:53:41
Zaha has just as much talent as Berahino and just as bad an attitude. Zaha couldn't make it at a top club, so why would Berahino?
28 May 2015 09:44:56
how about benteke? we like to cross the ball a lot so why not bring in someone who is used to the prem league, scores goals and is tough enough to be a handful to central defenders.
Not sure about hummels either. The main attriute a defender needs to have is the ability to defend not to pass the ball out of defense. Would prefer Otamendi
28 May 2015 10:14:09
Shappy
Have to disagree with you on your views mate, totally different players. what's wrong with his attitude?
Zaha reminds me of the Harlem Globetrotters version of a basketball player. The truth is those guys are not even remotely good enough for the NBA.
Berahino wants to play at a bigger and better club, nothing wrong with that.
28 May 2015 10:51:23
Dont rate Berahino personally. I'm not a huge fan of Clyne either, both players won't be a major upgrade on what we have.
Is Berahino much better than Wilson? What will happen with Wilson if we sign him?
Is Clyne really much better than Rafael? We say Rafael is injury prone, but who's to say Clyne won't struggle to adapt just like Shaw has? Shaw wasn't injury prone when we signed him.
We need experience and intelligence at the back, I say Janmaat if we sign one, as I don't think we should be spending £25m on a RB when we have CB X2, CM X2 that are more important positions to fill.
In 2 years times Berahino will be rotting at a Newcastle or Palace imo.
28 May 2015 18:19:01
Beast
The answer to your question is yes they are both much better than what we have and honestly how can you even think rafael and Clyne are almost the same.
Out of curiosity what did wilson do this season for people to think he is going to be something special. I watched him like everyone else and still a long way off being there.
28 May 2015 20:58:55
GCU - sorry missed this mate.
Rafael was a £25m player two seasons ago, just because a manager doesn't fancy him it doesn't mean he isn't very good. We haven't seen him.
I would wager had Wilson played for WBA this season and Berahino for us there would be the same hype the other way around. No striker would look good for us, Wilson has all the attributes of Berahino and as far as I know he isn't carrying the same attitude.
28 May 2015 01:43:33
So would i be right in saying that if united do decide to sell di maria due to him being unhappy that united would make a push for bale?please say the gaitan rumours aren't true he's awful.thanks
28 May 2015 07:23:15
Gaitan rumours are all false! Who is he anyway?
28 May 2015 00:07:36
Has anyone seen much of Sevilla's Krychowiak? He didn't play tonight but I have seen him play a number of times this season. He is a great fantastic player and one who could easily replace Carrick in my opinion.
28 May 2015 02:00:37
He scored tonight !