Manchester United Banter Archive August 29 2012

 

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29 Aug 2012 23:28:25
I personally think Anderson will come good this year just needs to stay fit and get some games. If you look at last years stats we had so many injuries it was silly and city had few. If vidic was there for everyone and Wigan what would the story have been? Rooney will get a kick up the arse now let's all get behind our team. Jones will be great and we have bought kagawa and rvp - why so bloody cynical?
Ollie - forever red

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Simple, because our central midfield cannot compete with the top teams, however even more concerning is that our central midfield will struggle with other more mediocre teams in the PL and Europe, take a look at the Fulham game. Add Nani giving possession away and we can't compete as we are.

Red Man

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Top teams? Our midfield struggled to compete with small teams last season.

RED_SKY

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Nani did not play against fullham you mean everton game i suppose

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We cant compete?! Dont we compete every single year?

Whistler.

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Red Sky

Our midfield struggles against most teams , it will be improved when Carrick returns to it but will still not match far too many other teams. In Europe lets forget about Madrid and Barca then think Schweinsteiger and Martinez at Bayern, also last season we struggled with Basle and Benfica. There will be some who will say all is well and I await the next pronouncement that Fletcher is like a new signing but the fact is our midfield centrally and in Nanis position is not at the level expected of Manchester United. It would be SAFs greatest hour if we win anything this season if this is it.

To the no name , i know Nani did not play against Fulham i was there after all but I described his trait of many games rather than one.

Time is ticking

Red Man

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Whistler

Have you not noticed the decline we have shown in standards? I cannot believe you could miss the drop in level we have displayed and whilst addressing all other areas, CM and LM given the paucity of Nani have not been resolved. We are more vulnerable than for some years.

Why do people just imagine that we will continue to compete when others are strengthening better in our weakest area. We must learn from Liverpool in 1990 or face decline. We did it to them now others are trying to do it to us and as yet we haven't responded in two areas. It is very concerning and we only have hours to put it right.

Red Man

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29 Aug 2012 23:26:48
Is the southampton game on telly does anyone know
Redfletch

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1600 sunday a website 1

Pardoe

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Yea a website 1.

Caolán.

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4pm a website {Ed001's Note - Sky Sports 1, sorry we have to filter out references to Sly due to them trying to spam us with betting links and ads for their sites. I mean it is not like Sly make millions of pounds a year or anything, so I can see how they can't afford to pay for an ad!}

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29 Aug 2012 23:25:15
Berba snubbed Fiorentina and Juventus! Reports Fulham are interested, if he goes there I'll be fuming we didn't use him as a makeweight for Dembele.

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29 Aug 2012 23:21:46
Went to Moss Lane to watch United.
THIS IS WHAT I NOTICED.

Lindegaard- does love a Hollywood dive.
Buttner- headed 3 balls back in the dangerzone he should of cleared.
Fletcher- looked tired after 25min 1st & 2nd half.
Powell- was out shone by Tunnicliffe, Lingard & Cole when they came on. In my opinion Petrucci is the best reserve midfielder and he was in the stand.

I SPOKE TO PETRUCCI & JANUZAJ ON THE WAY OUT.
I asked Petrucci, "is Macheda going on loan?", his reply was defiantly no. "Then I asked if he is going on loan?" his reply was no (pause) not yet.

Giverin, Johnstone, Petrucci, Brazilian loanees, Vermijl were all watching the game. Cleverley, Brown & strangely enough Rav'el Morrison was there watching. He still loves the Club.

I'm glad Evans played 90mins should be fit for Southampton.

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You didnt mention Buttners tackles or clearance or speed and link up play?

You didnt mention Lindegaard's unbelievable double save.

Fletcher bossed the midfield

Powell was not out shone, he got a penalty and worked box to box.

Why so negative? You went to Moss Lane to watch? United, obviously not to support.

Cban

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Okay. TAKE 2
Lind - great double saves, bad kicking.
Wootton, Evaans, M.Keane - solid ish.
Buttner - off the line clearance, bombed up and down the left. Won corners & sent over a good cross or two.
Brady - kept switching wings. why??
King - very quick, poor finishing.
Macheda - very lucky with the first goal & scored a pen. Not much else.
Tunnicliffe - lot of bite in his tackles & worked hard.

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29 Aug 2012 22:32:16
"ACF Fiorentina announce that the transfer for Dimitar Berbatov definitively collapsed after an agreement with Manchester United had been concluded (with shared exchange of contracts, the first instalment paid and the financial guarantees for the second instalment ratified) and after reaching a verbal agreement with the player over his contract," read a club statement.

"During today the English club had allowed their player the written permission to come to Florence for a medical and to sign his contract.

"The player got on the flight with his agent and on tickets paid for by Fiorentina. He never arrived in Florence.

Outlandish & arrogant

"This was down to outlandish and arrogant behaviour of other clubs, who have nothing to do with fair play and sporting ethics that go even beyond the confines of fairness.

"As for the player, apart from his characteristics and his value on the field, at this stage we are happy he didn't come to Fiorentina. He did not deserve our city, to wear our jersey or the values that represent it."

Juventus sporting director, Beppe Marotta, claims Berbatov opted against the move to Juventus as he wants to stay in England for family reasons.

"It hasn't been a refusal. Berbatov prefers remaining in England due to family reasons," Marotta told Sky Sport Italia. "We have contacted him after we knew he refused the Fiorentina move.

"I've spoken with Man Utd's chief officer. We knew their decision to sell Berbatov and we started a normal move.

"We wanted to take advantage from this occasion. The aim is to improve ourselves."

It seems Berbatov is now due to hold talks with Fulham with Martin Jol a big fan of the forward having worked with him during his time in charge of Tottenham.
sorry for the copy and paste

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People keep saying "Poor Berbatov", but the truth is he has known that he isn't in the manager's plans since last summer and has been being very difficult. He could have moved to PSG last summer, but thought he would run down his contract so he could pocket a massive signing on fee and silly wages, but the club triggered the one year extension clause much to his and his agent's dismay. He has continued to be difficult all summer and he still hasn't moved on. If the player thought about his career more than money he wouldn't have wasted a whole year on the bench and would have been playing in a very star-studded PSG side. So Berbatov is no innocent party in all of this.

Sydney!

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Maybe he can take pointers on money and how to get more from RVP.

Red Rat

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29 Aug 2012 22:26:07
Bayern have signed Martinez for 40 million euros. Announced on their website and on bild.de. Another one that slipped through the net.
Central midfield partnership of Schweinsteiger and Martinez. Sounds better than Cleverley and Carrick, doesn't it?

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When you compare our midfield options to our big European rivals, and Prem rivals, there's no competition. Luckily we have quality elsewhere but again, we're gonna be embarassed in the middle of the park.

RED_SKY

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29 Aug 2012 22:13:57
Not really a rumour but tiotes Wikipedia say his club at the moment is Manchester united ....... Em typo .......

CAIN

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Also now says he plays for Milan a haha

Macca!

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29 Aug 2012 22:10:33
What's everyone think of josh king? Personally I don't see him making it here. Hope in wrong.

Caolán.

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Decent player but will not make it at utd
johndenton

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Josh will not make it here. In fact the club were close to selling him last summer. I think Nani & Berbatov will be sold by Friday. Kiko, Bebe, Wootton, King & Brady will all be loaned out by October, some with a view to a permanent deal. I don't see any of the above having a future at the club. I think it's too late for Anderson to be sold now, the club will not risk being left short in midfield.

Sydney!

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29 Aug 2012 23:09:33
Everyone stop wishing that we will buy a centre midfielder, we won't, SAF is insecure about spending money on central midfielders, he also genuinely believes that what we have already got is good enough, as he as for the past 3 or 4 seasons, he will splash the cash on all the other positions but not on centre mid, we will get battered when we play any team that has a stronger midfield than us, and I can name 4 in the prem and at least 6 in Europe, even athletics Madrid and Bilbao have stronger midfields than us, this season will be an even bigger eye opener than last year, mark my words....

Duggo Bro

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I think the player he wants is Hector Herrera but his injury has curtaintailed his transfer until January at the earliest. So i think he is happy to stick with Carrick Cleverley Anderson and Scholes for now, with Fletcher maybe able to make a come back and Jones able to play a role in midfield. Then we have Tunnicliffe, Powell and Petrucci who'll get games in the cup competitions. So thats 9 midfielders to accomedate and of that 9 five are young with potential, and if Anderson can keep fit he has huge talent, and Carrick and Scholes will never let us down. So maybe it's not as bad as people make out. I always felt that someone would have to leave before we signed someone.

Shappy

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Shapps

That's a very, very optimistic run down of our CM talent mate.

I would argue that of those 9 options:

Powell, Petrucci, Tunners will have no effect on 1st team.

Fletch still has a long way to go Xmas at the earliest for a fit player IMO.

Jones is no CMer, Carrick does let us down when pressed, Scholes can't do it all himself and struggles v any younger pair who just pass it by him and Ando? All I can say is Pfffft!

Clevs is the only thing that's a positive for our CM this season. (or the youngsters if they played but very unlikely)

Jono

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January is too late, people will realise by then just how bad our midfield is if they don't already know it, just can't understand why people keep thinking its good enough, all the other teams are strengthening their midfields but we don't, midfield is the most important position in world football, just look at Spain in euros, they played with 6 midfielders and no forwards, it's all about the midfields nowadays.

I hope we sign witsel and gaitan and release berbs nani and fat ando

Tin head

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Gaitan is a winger and will have no effect on the centre of the pitch, unless he is thinking of molding rooney for a role but rooney's first touch can be very poor sometimes and that is a no-no for a central midfielder.

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Shappy, since when has Anderson been a HUGE talent?! Complete waste of space, five years he's been with us and what has he done ....?

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29 Aug 2012 22:06:34
Fergie stated "No more in's and no more out's" (with a wry smile)
With Berba looking like he's off to new pastures, and maybe Nani going too, I'm holding out for one last BIG signing.
Pretty please with a cherry on top, let it be WITSEL!!
Flyhalf(Mitch)

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29 Aug 2012 22:02:44
ive never seen barce play so bad could be 5;0 down absolutely awful
jred

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29 Aug 2012 22:01:20
Not United related but Madrid are handing it to Barca, great goal by CR7. 2-0 and Barca are down a man.

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CR is fantastic, almost unplayable. What a shame we lost him, he is better than Messi BTW, can do it all. Madrid on last night performance has a better team and scary good

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29 Aug 2012 21:53:58
Well done the under 21s and especially Buttner and Fletcher.

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I was just glad to see Evans make it through 90 minutes unscathed. We need him back so we can push Carrick back into midfield. That should make all the differance. Buttner i thought played well, he looks like he could be a very good signing, i haven't seen crossing like that from the left since Giggs was in his prime. And he didn't neglect his defensive duties. I think with abit of luck he could maybe take Evra's place by the turn of the year. It was nice to see Fletcher on the pitch again, but there is a big differance between returning to fitness and returning to form, he looks like he's slowly regaining the former but regaining the latter will be more differcult. But i hope he does.

Shappy

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29 Aug 2012 21:49:55
Would love united to bid for thiago of barca not on the bench tonight,wasting talent.

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I thought he was injured

RedKnight

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Thats right, we should tell Barca how to bring through talent now...

Whistler.

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He only turned 21, when cleverly was 21 most he hadnt played a senior game for united

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He only turned 21, when cleverly was 21 most he hadnt played a senior game for united

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29 Aug 2012 21:44:39
So slight change of tack - the CL draw is tomorrow. Who do you want? Obviously we can't get any of the English teams but City are in pot 2. There could be a group of death consisting of Dortmund, PSG/Juve, City and Barca. That would be top billing!

Rudderpost {Ed007's Note - Ahem.......

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Are we in pot 1?

Caolán. {Ed007's Note - Yes.}

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I for one want to avoid Celtic at all costs. It was like a cauldron up there tonight, and it'd be even worse for any of the top clubs in Europe. Same goes for the Greek and Turkish sides, always tough places to go.

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I would take Schalke, PSG and Celtic.

Hardest: Valencia, Juve, Dortmund.

Easiest: Schalke, Anderlecht, Nordsjealland.

Although we seen last year we can take NO team for granted!

Jono

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I hope we get Celtic so we can garrentee us six points hey bond? Lol. After what happened with Rangers everyone knows Scottish football is dead.

Shappy {Ed007's Note - Don't tempt fate Shappy, remember Nakamura. And stop believing all the rubbish the press are saying, the 'certain meltdown' of Scottish football never actually came to anything. If anything it has heightened interest in the entire Scottish game, people are even tuning in to watch Rangers drawing games in the 4th division.}

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Never know Bond we could get Celtic in the draw and bid for James McCarthy to solve our central midfield issues to complete a dream day for you. ;)

Rjmanutd {Ed007's Note - I'd settle for that.}

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29 Aug 2012 21:36:00
Imagine a Swap deal giving Nani and Anderson +10/15m to Benfica and receiving Gaitan and Witsel.

If it's wrong to dream, Then I don't want to be right!

JK

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That would be an awful deal for us. Absolutely terrible.

Percy

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I agree but i just don't see it happening. But heres to hoping.

Shappy

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29 Aug 2012 21:32:30
Folks, this was something I posted yesterday, but forgot to stipulate it was for the banter page (sorry Eds - banter page please :) - just a wee note to those first-time posters who are a little put off with some of the negativity on this site, let me reassure you:

Once that transfer window closes, and we are left with what we have, I can guarantee you, that for all we like to bitch and moan about certain players - guilty as charged with Nani and Rooney - tactics/signings or lack of/Glazers/even SAF himself....we will support them 100% once they pull on the shirt, regardless of whether or not we thought they should have been sold or not during the window

In 35 years I've never booed a player once he steps onto the pitch in a Utd shirt, no matter my personal beef with him, or my opinion on their ability, (muttering obscenities under my breath after another poor final ball from Nani, or another poor touch from Rooney, doesn't count :) because we will not win anything if we stand disunited, and berate the guys once they're on the pitch.

We will know if we've been short-changed or cheated by an individual due to their lack of effort (unforgiveable) over a season, and we can make our feelings known about it once the season finishes.

But until then, I, like most of the occasional moaners and whingers on here I suspect, will concentrate on the most important thing - supporting our beloved Utd.

That is all.


StevieK

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29 Aug 2012 20:48:29
Fergie at U21 game so obviously not busy working on any late deals

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LOL, do you expect him to be working on deals 24/7? Some people crack me up on here.

Sydney!

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Sydney!

To be fair, you'd think he'd have an iPad app or something like that. Angry Fergs, maybe.

DarkLard08

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Fergie will have very little input on negotiations. He only needs to tell David Gill etc. who he wants and how much he thinks the maximum they should pay for them, then Fergie turns up at the contract signing lol

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He'll probobaly go to bed and sleep for 8 hours later as well,,,i tell ya that ferguson has no commitment to the cause:) lm

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If there was anything important going on he'd be involved

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Well said mate,im sure even god had a rest now and again!!

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David Gill is almost always at reserve games and he wasn't there. That could be an indication that the club are working hard on something elsewhere. I think Ed002 knows something, but unsure if he is around to share it with us.

Sydney!

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David Gill was gettting a feww drinks in after reading the fans take on this site over the last few days and preparing to be abused over the next few months lol and i guess fergie wanted to see what the this dutch guy called butt something was like lol On a serious note glad that fletcher is playing a full 90 minutes

shahram

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29 Aug 2012 20:19:30
anders Linds with two incredible saves

muy caliente

Buttner looks awesome, good save off the line and some nice pass and moves, looks exciting

Cban

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Fantastic saves...

we really do have 2 quality keepers......

buttners crossing looks good too...

great to see evans play the full 90.... has to start at the weekend.......

Oxred

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29 Aug 2012 20:14:25
I know alot of your are gutted about the Dembele fisaco, but was he really what we needed to improve our MD? i dont think he was any more proven than Clevs is, he plays same position, granted he is a bit more stronger but other than hes not that a hell of a lot better.
now witsel or garcia from benfica would be amazing i think or (not that will ever happen) shwinztieger(spelling)
Chris the REDman

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At present he is better than cleverly

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Fiasco, seriously?

GDS

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Yes atm he is better than cleverly but not the answer to our md problem, he would improve it but not a great deal, if u gave me a fully fit fletcher or dembelle i would plump for fletch all day, we need a strong, imposing cm to go with our attcking riches.
Chris the REDman

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"Fiasco"?

The only transfer I can remember being a bit of a fiasco was Kleberson being brought in to keep Ronaldinho company when he arrived, and then us missing out on Ronaldinho.

Oh, and maybe Bebe too.

DarkLard08

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Oh ok then since this is not a banter site but a site where GDS constanly corrects peoples wording and grammer.
will situation do? or saga? transfer?
in future i will send u all my posts and u can look through them and correct my spelling and grammer and maybe leave me a nice smiliy face with good try written underneath.
Chris the REDman

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You can tell Chris the REDman spellchecked the f*ck out of that last post.

Cban {Ed007's Note - I think Chris has got a hold of the wrong end of the stick, or I did. Posts slagging spelling or grammar shouldn't be posted as a rule of the site. I don't think GDS or DL08 were meaning you had spelled fiasco wrong, I think they meant what do you mean by describing the situation as a fiasco, that was my take on it, so if anything it is my fault.}

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Correct, I was not slagging his grammar off at all, I posted further up but it appears to have been deleted. I never comment on people's grammar, only when people call Rafael Raphael because it makes me laugh!

To be fair though, if he did spellcheck the f*ck out of it Cban he still got grammar and smiley wrong which made me chuckle :)

GDS

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29 Aug 2012 20:07:58
I think Julio Cesar joining QPR will be good for Fabio. Having the Brazilian number one keeper next to you on the field may not do his international career any harm either.

Sydney!

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29 Aug 2012 20:06:28
Ive been doing some research and this is the spending give or take a little between the top clubs:

Spent Sold Surplus
Arsenal 44 Mil 42.7 Mil -1.3 Mil
Tot 38 Mil 51 Mil + 13 Mil
Liverpool 27 Mil 4 Mil - 23 Mil
Man City 15 Mil 16 Mil + 1 Mil
Chelsea 79 Mil 0 -79 Mil
Man Utd 50 Mil 5 Mil - 45 Mil

Based on this we havent done to bad only one team has spent more than us, however if we sell Nani and Berbatov that will be 30 Mil and there may be additional sales also. Another point is Tottenham Liverpool and Man City are close to further signings and there spends will increas. obviously you cant evaluate it until the window closes but as it stands im happy with the investement however it does look likely to change, i hope that we can sell Nani and Berbatov by Friday and still have time to purchase a Mid that would make me very happy.

This is purely for fun as i realise alot will/can change.

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVECHILD

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29 Aug 2012 20:01:20
I'm really getting fed up with all the it's-the-end-of-the-world what-does-Fergie-think-he's-doing it's-all-over-for-us we-so-needed-Dembele/Sneijder/Modric/Hazard/etc- I-can't-believe-we-missed-out nonsense that's getting posted here recently. First off, in case people didn't notice, last season we finished 2nd on goal difference to a team that's spent the sharp part of half a billion quid in 3 years and that has the highest wage bill in history. Not really that bad, I don't think. I'm not quite old enough to remember our relegation to the 2nd tier (I'm sure some here are) but I can remember Dave Sexton's bore you to tears version of United, Atkinson's last year and Fergie's seasons at the end of the '80s - they were much worse times than now. So, please, stop acting like spoilt children. We can't win everything all the time.

Secondly, it's clear to everyone we need to strengthen central midfield. It's also obviously clear to Fergie, as he's bid for Sneijder, Witsel and Dembele in the last couple of years, and made aborted attempts for Nasri and Modric. Now, there's lots of reasons why players don't sign. If SAF didn't want to pay the price for them, that's his choice. You have to remember that, if we are seen to overspend on one target now, clubs will expect us to overspend on all our targets in future. So we need to show common sense in the fees we pay. We might not agree with the judgment calls on player value all the time, but then none of us are the most successful British football manager of all time, so our judgment hasn't really been tested anywhere worthwhile. There could also be other factors at play. Maybe, for example, Dembele wanted to stay in London and told us he wouldn't sign for us? Or maybe he's on a promise from Madrid and will move there in a year or two and we dropped our interest because of that? None of us will ever find that out.

Third, people don't judge our own players highly enough. The grass is always greener, as they say. It's always been the case. About ten years ago I was in Italy. ALL anybody wanted to talk to me about was Giggs and Scholes. I tried to talk about top players in the Italian game, they changed the subject to how lucky I was to see them all the time. At the time, we would have been bigging up Juve and Milan players over here at the expense of our own players. It's even worse now. We see United players in detail, week in, week out. We see their faults as well as their successes. And then we compare them to some fanboy Youtube highlight reels of all the very best things another player has ever done. So - give more credit to the players we have. Cleverley, Carrick and Kagawa will be a very effective central 3 this season.

Finally, please stop obsessing about this target and then another target and then another target as if they are the only possible option for improving our team. First we had to get Sneijder. Then we had to get Hazard. Then we had to get Modric. Then we had to get Dembele. You know what? We got Robin Van Persie. That's right. The best striker in the EPL. And we got Shinji Kagawa. That's right. Probably the best player in the German league. And we got Nick Powell. Who might just be better than both of them.
And we could still go after Cabaye or McCarthy or Witsel...

Here's another way of looking at things. Last season we finished second on goal difference to a team that has spend half a billion in 3 years and has the largest wage bill in football history. And we can all see that we still have plenty of room for improvement. Not that bad a position to be in, really...

DarkLard08

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I completely agree. It's ok to want another midfielder but the fact we haven't signed who people wanted is not cause for mass hysteria. I remember when we let Keane go and replaced him with Carrick to enormous uproar. We then won the league for the next 3 years. I remember losing to Villa on opening day with the kids in '96, and we won the double. Who knows how the season will pan out? Last year I think we over performed in the League but with players back, new arrivals, the younger ones a year older, here's to a great year.

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Oops, that was me, and I do remember Div 2 as it was.

AJH

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What a load of rubbish. Just been watching united reserves. Though winning, fletcher and Powell not touched the ball in second half. Also tuniclliffe not looking like he's a world beater. All players u mentioned would have improved our midfield immensely and that is what we all want!

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Just seen fletcher play full 90 mins. But he's a shadow of the player we love. Butner impressive though.

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DarkLard08 - while I understand the point you are making, I just do not buy the "we only lost it on goal difference" mantra - as if that's the real point.

My beef is that, regardless of our league position, for the last two or three years our football has been too predictable and at times boring to watch.

I've supported the team since the mid sixties so I don't say this lightly.

The introduction of Kagawa and RVP is a great step but until we sign a midfield general, the other creative players will not be able to express themselves as freely as they could.

Let's hope SAF solves this problem this week. United fans deserve to see more entertaining football than we have witnessed over the last few years.

DL10

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Always the same! When we miss a target people cry over this kind of posts. But its ur opinion!

Nick86

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"What a load of rubbish. Just been watching united reserves. Though winning, fletcher and Powell not touched the ball in second half. Also tuniclliffe not looking like he's a world beater. All players u mentioned would have improved our midfield immensely and that is what we all want!"

At least read the post before replying. I didn't say we couldn't improve the midfield. Anyway, using reserves football as a measuring stick for how good players would be in the first team is like believing a description in a Lonely Hearts ad. Not that I read them all the time, you understand.

As for Fletcher and Powell - it's a long road back for Fletcher. He's hardly played for 18 months now and will need 3 months to get back up to speed. Powell has the POTENTIAL to be a world-beater. I saw him a few times for Crewe last season, and he has a real chance to be a top player.

DarkLard08

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We lost on goal difference in the league but that was only coz city threw it away, we got smashed in champs league and got smashed in carling cup, we got smashed against Blackburn, Wigan and how can we forget the mauling by city at home!! All because they beat us in midfield, the midfield battle is where games are won and lost, if a team has a better midfield then u genuinely lose the match. I wish people would stop believing that we was good last year and only lost it "on goal difference" the truth is we was garbage, (except the game against arsenal), we was that bad we had Rooney playing CM at one point in the season and then recalled scholes. Carrick isn't in the same league as all them players u mentioned, that's why he never plays for England, Barry and Parker both get picked before him. If the midfield is a serious issue to every other person who watches the game then why can't our great manager see it????

Roy Yates Snr

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Roy Yates Snr

Dear oh dear oh dear!

Can you please state where DarkLard08 said we played great football last season? The point he is making is we only lost on goal difference and we prob all agree this was not our best season so to lose only on goal difference isn't bad, how many points did Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea finish behind?

So apart from the arsenal game? How about the Tottenham, Chelsea, Fulham away, Bolton Away games, City in the FA cup? Bearing in mind after the Bolton games our injuries were horrendous in terms of number of players out! Hense why Rooney did some stints in CM and Carrick at CB!

Carrick not that good as can't get in England team? And England have achieved what with Barry and Parker in CM, even the "experts" have said Carrick would be key in the CM position for England but like you, some people think because Carrick doesn't rush around the pitch smashing players, shooting when around 30 yards of the goal he is not good, think if you look at his passing stats, he is one of the best around, and before you say all he does is pass, isn't this what everyone raves about with Allen? Carrick's done it season after season!

Why can't our great manager see it if you can? Get back down the cafe with comments like that! 37 trophies in 26 years, you really are a spoiled brat!

Ports

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Not getting played for England doesn't make you a bad player. Carrick has been more successful than Gerrard and Lampard. Bruce, Fowler, Andy Cole etc never really excelled at international level and so barely played, but they were undoubtedly some of the best English players of their time.

I don't know if people want a functioning midfield or a superstar, that can win us the odd match, but effects the team dynamic when that doesn't happen.

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I can name 20 midfielders in europe that are better than carrick, that's just not good enough to play for utd that, he is over rated, all that he does is pass sideways, add abit of pressure on him and he cant even do that, instead he loses the ball, do u think city would have him, Chelsea, arsenal now, spurs now after signing dembele, Newcastle even or would they prefere to play cabaye and tiote? What about bayern Munich, barca, Madrid, inter, Dortmund, that's 10 teams, if he isn't good enough to play for them then he isn't good enough for us !

Roy Yates

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And the England comment was an example of the point I'm trying prove, what I was trying to say is that there are about 5 English players that are better than him in his position...Gerrard, lampard, Parker, wilshire, cleverly, could probs name a few more if I wanted...Barry? Scholes? Milner? Oxlain-chamberlain?

Think a few of u guys should stop being biased towards players that play for our team and admit they aren't good enough, do u really think players are worried about playing against the likes of carrick, Anderson, etc etc? Think they'd prefere play them to dembele, witsel, m'villa, tiote, martinez etc etc

Roy Yates

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29 Aug 2012 19:34:46
if we sell nani i think we might make a move for gaitan but i think that is our only possible incoming player.
jred

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I'd love us to do that. Gaitan is a quality player.

Shappy

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29 Aug 2012 19:29:27
Evening Gents,

Hope everyone has had a good summer.

Not posted for a while as been away and just genuinely wanted to see how the transfer window plays out.

Couple more days and I wouldn't rule anything out yet with SAF.

Just going to offer my opinion on a few discussions on here from how I see them.

ROONEY
I love Wazza but I honestly believe he maybe the sort of player that peaked at 23-24, bit like Owen. He has alot of miles on the clock and the way he plays will always be liable to picking up injuries, he has had plenty in his career and maybe they are slowing him down? If we were to recieve a bid of £40 Million then I would take it. We have Van Persie, Hernandez, Welbeck and Henriquez coming in, all who will STAY up front whereas Rooney tends to roam and although his work rate is outstanding sometimes he ends up out of position to where we need him!
Don't get me wrong tho if he stays I would still be happy, just think if he goes then it won't be all doom and gloom but I must add I do think all these stories are nonsense so not point getting up tight about it.

LOSING POGBA/FRYERS/MORRISON
Personally I think these are good players, not that impressed with Fryers but he was half decent I suppose. But people saying what's going on with the club, why can't we keep the youngsters, these 3 have all shown they have attitudes and chips on their shoulders, Morrison now on loan at Birmingham, lasted 6 months with West Ham. Fryers has moved to Standard Liege and Pogba, well I'm not sure anyone believes he will hold down a first team spot at Juventus.
We have replaced them with Powell, Buttner and Henriguez who all of I am very excited about.

LOSING ''TARGETS''
Was it ever official we were interested in Dembele, Martinez etc? To me these are all names that fans would LIKE us to sign so we can't say we have lost out on them.
People need to remember as well that, 1)the player needs to want to come to us, it's not just a case of us putting in a bid and then that's it and 2) when SAF wants someone it's not just what he does on the pich that counts but he looks at the family life, the attitude of the player, there is a whole package to consider, SAF is the master at doing a thorough check and maybe the players we haven't gone for, there is another reason, M'Vila is a prime example in this transfer window.

I actually believe the transfer window has been great for us, never did I think we would get Van Persie, who we competed with against City and got him so shows we can compete.
Powell looks like a great talent and I think could go on to be a club great, we also competed with Arsenal, City and Liverpool for his signature and won that race to!
And Kagawa, well I think he could be the signing of the season.
Only seen Buttner on you tube as I don't have VitesseTV at home so have never heard of him but from what I have seen looks exciting going forward with dynamite in his left foot, not sure what he is like defensively though?!

As for the next 2 days? Well if Berbatov goes, which I hope he does for his career as much as anything and Nani goes then I can see one more purchase, my guess would be Witsel, Gaitan or Isco but I'd like Ander Herrera from Bilbao but unlikely with Martinez gone or Alcantara or De Rossi both who I know are unlikely.

Ports

P.S I would also like us to sign Fellani purely so he never plays against us again!!

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My God! Common sense, agree with all you have said.

AJH

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I think the eggs in one basket signing would be Witsel, but depends on what funds we have left which could lead to nani following Berba out the door. With the combined fees and saving in wages then we could see a double of Isco and Witsel but i think this is highly unlikely.

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Ports

I was typing my long post while this was getting posted. If I'd known you were posting this, would have saved me a job!

DarkLard08

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DarkLard08

Sorry mate, to be honest, I think i started it at midday! :)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't see a half empty glass everyday and AJH and yourself can also be reflective about our situation.

On a side note, Buttner looked good tonight and love Tunnicliffe's enthusiasm and drive, maybe he's the reason we're not pursuing CM's?

Great seeing Fletcher getting stuck in out there to.

Ports

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29 Aug 2012 19:22:30
the new left back buttner looks very good tonite so far

vimto

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29 Aug 2012 19:15:15
Can someone tell me how much it would Cost, for us to buy witsel?.. Its My first time posting on this,


Spencer!

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Perhaps 25m euros?

Sydney!

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Id say ask Ed002 but you could just search for Witsel in the search bar.

I personally think he isnt worth no more than 20-23 million, in fact he is worth about ten but 'there is no value in the market'

Cban

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29 Aug 2012 19:02:42
Rumour of the year - fergie is going to recall Mike Phelan from the bench and start him in midfield along with....Neil Webb! Viv Anderson is tipped for a recall as well! ;)

No more signings likely, but I bet we will all glance at sky on Friday and hope a midfielder is brought in. Unlikely, but fingers crossed!

Bryn Mez

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Phelan will fit in our current midfield because he was totally useless too. Fergie lost the plot.

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29 Aug 2012 18:52:06
So what have we learned so far today? We will not be signing Moussa Dembele. City will not be buying Javi Martinez (phew). Rooney is of course going nowhere so the trolls will disappear into the distance. lfc comes on here biggin up Walcott as a world beater as he thought Liverpool would be signing him this summer, they will not be signing him so lfc now looks a plank. No change there.

Sydney!

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We have also learned that we now have realistically only Witsel left as an option when Berba goes.

IMO this really HAS to happen as we can add Spurs and Bayern to the growing list of teams that will dominate our CM resulting in hard games getting even more harder to win.

Jono

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29 Aug 2012 18:42:16
wayne rooney has just ruled out leaving united, its on a web site NOW!

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Oh thats right,lets all trust wayne,once a blue always a blue, rooney llf

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Didn't ronaldo do the same and left a month later

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I'm sorry, but with all due respect to the lad, the day I start believing what Wayne says, is the day I start supporting the Dippers....


StevieK

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29 Aug 2012 18:40:27
Evans Fletcher and Buttner playing in under 21s tonight Henriquez watching in the stands
ARB

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29 Aug 2012 18:38:54
Rumours that Spurs will listen to offers for Scott Parker. Fergie is a fan and could be a great signing for us and would be purchased quite cheaply. What do you think? Worth a bid?

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No such thing as cheap from del boy Levy!

Cban

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29 Aug 2012 18:33:03
Guys I really don't think United are gonna sign anyone else, I don't think we wudda missed out on dembele if we was. Hope I'm wrong n we sign witsel but I'm certain we won't

Big Mac

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29 Aug 2012 18:22:52
Just a quick comment bowt all this witsel dembele stuff I personally think our dealings are done for this window I might get mega slated for this come Friday but if fergie wanted the combative midfield u are all talking that would ave been 1st priority in my eyes not last jmo

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29 Aug 2012 18:06:39
i know it's just a dream,a massive one,but could you imagine us signing bastian swienstiger,(excuse the spelling)now that martinez is off to bayern munich,what a central midfield they will have this season,if they are to have both players,whilst we have an old legend,someone on the sick,a fat injury prone brazilian,a player who likes to only pass sideways and an unproven cleverly,oopps i forgot giggs,say no more,joeyored

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Schweinsteiger will partner Martinez in midfield.

Sydney!

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Looks good for Bayern, good keeper, good defence although maybe need someone else in there, good centre paiting of Schweiny and Martinez, with Kroos and Muller further forward but i think they need an extra attacker as i would get rid of both Robben and Ribery (the 2 main reasons they lost the champions league) and also they could do with a striker, Gomez doesn't quite cut it for me.

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As a CM 2 that is probably the best around.

Sigh!

Jono

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Jono its a good team, i think the backline could be tightened up, and i do think they need a top striker instead of Gomez who is very wasteful and get rid of the 2 ego's in Ribery and Robben who aren't as good as they think they are but i am looking forward to seeing bayern this season

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29 Aug 2012 18:03:20
Can anybody recommend me any Manchester United or Alex Ferguson books?
I'd like to read more about the history of the club.

MikonBR............................The Best book on Manchester United is called "The Captains Club". It traces the history of the club through all the club captains. A brilliant read. I AM KLOOT

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Kloot you beat to it. I second the suggestion.

I'd suggest the usual autobiog's, Fergie, Keane, Gary Neville.

Kloot one for you to keep an eye on, Sons Of United, due to come out before Christmas.

Mort

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Tell me more mort I AM KLOOT

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29 Aug 2012 17:55:06
Spurs sign dembele on 5 year deal. do you think united are looking at anyone else

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29 Aug 2012 17:53:44
A few things I'd like to express my opinion on;

1) The poster who proved me wrong about Rooneys scoring with pens, etc. I hold my hands up mate, I was wrong. seemed like he scored more pens then what he has done.

2) lfc...lets be honest mate, I'm not a huge Nani fan but anybody could see Walcott isn't even on his level. Walcott can't pass, shoot or cross, Nani however can do all of these things he just does the wrong one 9/10.

3) Everyone is talking about spurs being able to beat us for players, Martinez and Dembele not being signed, we can't attract them, etc. well SAF did say nobody would be signed...I think it was Sydney who worked out that we currently have a full 25 man squad. Nani and Berbatov are likely to stay IMO...well until January.

Point is SAF said no more signings, our squad is full and just because we've expressed an interest in a player doesn't actually mean we're going in for them, it simply means that we've looked at then and possible made an INFORMAL enquiry about the player in question.

personally I'm happy with our summer, our midfield may not be the strongest but I have that it can and will compete on all 4 fronts this season...if you don't have faith in our squad, well you know where the door is.

G'day lads.

The Moon.

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Moon, Nani & Berbatov are unlikely to stay.

Sydney!

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While I admire your optimism Moon, and you make some good points, its pretty much the exact same midfield as last season. We competed for the Prem well until the dying seconds, the other 3?....

RED_SKY

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Berba supposed to be off to Italy right now mate, doubt it's for a holiday ;-)

Jono

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I've just read the Berbatov to italy story and I wasn't aware of it before hand so perhaps he will go.

As for Nani, I think SAF will keep him this season simply because we have 2 days to get Nani out and get somebody in...Although with that said next summer Nani will have a year left on his contract so he may go.

On a personal level though I just wonder whether it'll be to hard to get Nani out and then get lets say Gaitan in over a 2 day period unless we already have the move in motion.

Syd, if both leave we'll have 23 players in the squad, do you think we'll bring in 1 or 2 players and who do you THINK we'll sign as replacements.

The Moon.

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It's a hard one to call. Both Gaitan and Witsel are available, but they will not come cheap. Maybe one of them will arrive with Nani leaving? Ideally I would like to see Nani & Anderson leave and Gaitan & Witsel come in, but it's unlikely one would think. It's difficult to offload players especially in such a short space of time.

Sydney!

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Exactly my thoughts syd, hence why I think even though SAF wants Nani gone I don't think anyone would argue that a team with Nani is stronger than a side without him.

The Moon.

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Sydney

I don't think Gaitan is good enough

If we are looking to replace Nani I believe Muniain would be the right choice but keep an eye on Isco.

So Dembele slipped through our fingers at £15m and i wonder what SAFs excuse is. I keep reading things on here like if you don't believe in our squad then go away. At what point did blind faith become a requirement to post on here. I don't have faith in our central midfield because it is obviously not good enough at the top end of the league or in Europe, nor do i have confidence in Nani. We will know at 11pm on Friday whether there is a commitment from the club to reach the standard that should be expected.

I haven't seen enough of Witzel but our options are narrowing fast.

Red Man

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Red Man, I agree that our options are dwindling in terms of a midfielder, but cannot see Muniain being a genuine target to replace Nani. I am not sure Gaitan is the answer, but Gaitan will be better than nothing and IMO there is every chance that we will sell Nani and not replace him. The manager would have liked Hazard and then Moura, but not sure he will settle for anyone and perhaps there's little time left to go back to the drawing board.

Surely it can only be the manager's stubbornness to why we still haven't brought in a midfielder as we have strengthened everywhere else this summer. There has been plenty of cash for a midfielder over the past two summers and we still haven't signed a midfielder. Will the manager's stubbornness cost us this season? We will see.

Sydney!

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Moon

I would disagree, a side with Nani having one of his usual inconsistent error strewn games is far worse than having someone who will just do straight forward things. Personally I think he will go as I cannot believe SAF cannot see how frustrating and poor Nani has become, there again can he see the hole in the centre of our midfield?

Red Man

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29 Aug 2012 17:51:09
Are there any chances of James McCarthy? I'm trying to think of busy midfielders that we so badly need - he would be one that could do a job. We really have missed out on some decent players.

RedDevil19

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I think he could be the one to sign next summer

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We should have had Vidal wrapped up last summer, would have made a world of difference.

Jono

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29 Aug 2012 17:39:47
Today we have lost out on Javi Martinez(Bayern Munich) and Moussa Dembele(Tottenham)... Gutted

Ozzy

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29 Aug 2012 17:38:32
Martinez has gone to Bayern. Does SAF honestly see Phil Jones becoming our rock in midfield? I don't think he has the technical ability tbh.

Dan

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29 Aug 2012 17:13:55
Fuming right now, we have lost Martinez and Dembele within the space of one hour. Both of whom would have been perfect. So what potential targets are left? Well there are:

- Axel Witsel
- Michael Essien
- Scott Parker
- Chiek Tiote

Thats all of the combatative players that could be good enough for us - good enough to make a difference. Over the past two or three seasons we have let Khedira, Martinez, Dembele, Rodwell, Vidal etc slip through out fingers - all of them would of made a difference.

Its quite possible lads that we really are done this summer, such a shame. Maybe we will get Hector Herrera in January, but what position does he play?!

RedDevil19

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I can understand being gutted about not getting Martinez because he is a wonderful player. However, people really need to chill out about Dembele, I agree he would have been a good buy but you would think the way people are going on we had missed out on Messi. If Dembele had gone to Spurs at the start of August instead of the end nobody would have really cared. I still very much doubt there will be any movement on the incomings for us. I think people always seem to think SAF is playing mind games when in fact he might just be telling the truth?

Rjmanutd

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I think we're done, with Fergie being too stubborn to sign the player fan's keep moaning on about.

Unfortunate if we are done...I would love to see a CM brought in.

MPez

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Herrera & Witsel have to be our only options right now.

Sydney!

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We were never in for Martinez, not at that price, that precisely what no value means.

I'm sure he has a lot of potential and will do well and a lot on here were fans, but in all honesty i was sick of hearing about him like he was some great messiah and glad he is moving to Bayern so i don't have to spend any more transfer windows wading through endless whining "lets please sign martinez" posts.

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Essien is too injury prone and Parker i think isn't quite good enough. I remaon unconvinced on Tiote so only leaves Witsel....

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Why fuming?.....Fergie said the spending was over. We have maxed out on our quota of over 25 players. We can't buy anymore until we sell or loan or release players to make places available.
We can't control how other teams buy, if berbatov had left a few days ago....we might have had Dembele. As for Martinez, don't think he ever figured in Fergies plans.

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I'm only gutted because he fits the bill. He might not be one of the best players in the world, but he was similar to the player that we really do want.

RedDevil19

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Joey Barton is available and only has 10 games left on his ban. Going cheap too.....

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And Yohan Cabaye to Arsenal...

add him to the list

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^^^^

Better bloody not be!!

Jono

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29 Aug 2012 17:06:45
Too my mind... Fergie obviously now believes the kids in the reserve system are good enough to take over in the next year or so.

For the likes of Dembele, Modric, M'Vila to all have been available and for us to not even make a serious approach suggests Fergie believes the current crop plus the young talents are all good enough for the future.

I do think Lingard,Tunnicliffe,Petrucci and Cole are all good enough but need loan spells first. Unless he has a big signing lined up next summer when Scholes goes I can only see him waiting for the kids.

RedKnight

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I disagree the reason we lost Pogba according to his interview is that SAF said to him he was to young to play....Something isn't right with that statement to me

Pardoe

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He won't give them a fair crack though, just like Pogba.

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Yes as Pogba was lying through his teeth but couldn't really say "my agent manipulated me to move to Italy so he could make a killing despite advising van Persie not to go to the same club as its a crap league"

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29 Aug 2012 16:44:05
First time poster during this transfer, though been a regular visitor of this site and has been following the last 2-3 years.
I'm sort of glad with how the transfers has gone for United so far- two best player in their positions and promising youngsters.
Whats been really confusing is, we all felt we need to strengthen our midfield-a strong box to box who can control, dictate play and create through passes. Since we were never REALLY linked/intended to bring in, i felt we were going to give chance to our promising youngsters, Powell and Tunnicliffe. Against Everton, United sure wanted to started strong for the league opener, so am not surprised why they were not included. But against Fulham, atleast one of them should have been fielded to see whether they can cope up with the challenge and see if we really need to strengthen in that area before the end of the window. That would have been wise.
I am sure the time is right and they will be getting their chances not only as a sub but also in the starting XI which will be a massive boost for their confidence, or else we might end up with someone like Pogba who felt will never get his chance.
Any thought?

Mystik_al

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They willn't get their chances this year, they should have got chances last year and didn't. Pogba couldn't get a game but Giggs, Park, and Gibson were all playing in midfield ahead of our promising youngsters. Just watch

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Yes as Pogba was lying through his teeth but couldn't really say "my agent manipulated me to move to Italy so he could make a killing despite advising van Persie not to go to the same club as its a crap league"

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How secure are the future of these promising kids from the academy if they can't secure a chance? Are they not good enough in the eyes of SAF or age (eg Pogba's case) permitting them to secure a place in league?

Mystik_al

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29 Aug 2012 16:37:10
united are selling nani, berbastrop, we will bring no 1 else in cos saf has got to make sure the glaziers have as much money in there pocket as possible, think its going to be another trophyless season. only way we can compete is to sign the decent dm we need but thats not going to happen, this is proved by no dm coming in and saf letting dembele go to spurs without a fight. joey

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So you believe the Glazers are planning on taking dividends this year?

Sydney!

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You mean not take anything like there statement on the ipo then syd and then take 50% of the money raised
johndenton

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29 Aug 2012 16:36:24
Dembele has gone to spurs! is fergie serious? with him our midfield would of been complete, but no he still thinks that scholes and carrick can do the job which they can on some occasions but not every game in the league and champions league its pointless, if everton and fulham can dominate our midfield wait till we play city and big teams in the champions league, its just annoying and anderson is terrible and cleverly is okay but not amazing and fletcher will never be the same and nick powell is way to young to be considered for big games so i cant wait to play city, looks like another large defeat is coming our way!

bit of a rant but who cares

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Wow! You barely even took a breath with that rant. I'm impressed.

DarkLard08

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Oh no we haven't signed Moussa Dembele who until about 2 weeks ago half the people on this site didn't think was good enough. The fact is he isn't the 1st good player who hasn't joined us and he won't be the last. Has anyone actually thought about being a bit more optimistic? Even if we don't sign a midfielder I'll be quite happy with our summer. Yes if we had got the top class central midfielder it would have been brilliant but that would have perhaps not allowed us to sign Kagawa or RVP? Fergie rarely gets it wrong and after 20 years of challenging for trophies you would think people would learn to trust our managers judgement. It wasn't just the fans that saw
Dembele look good for the last 25-30 mins on Saturday, I'm fairly sure Fergie would have seen that as well but clearly doesn't think he is worth 15m. A midfield 3 of Cleverley, Carrick and Kagawa is better than we had last season so try to support your club instead of claiming we're doomed and have no chance of doing anything. Lastly do you think Dembele is going to make as big an impact at Spurs as Modric? I don't.

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Fergie is deluded thinks we can out score all other teams and get away with it beaten by everton 1. 0 and to be honest should have been more lucky against fulham to be honest its time for laurel and hardy to leave now before they turn us into a laughing stock a red united fan

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Think you'll get a bit of stick for that post from the ever optimists. But I have to say the reality is your totally right. Hopefully we'll see that CM come in before the end of the week.

Boyley

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29 Aug 2012 16:31:26
a website reports that Dembele has passed his tottenham medical. (TheInvisibleMan)

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29 Aug 2012 16:29:58
bayern hav agreed terms with martinez, spurs hav agreed terms with dembele. our targets r dropping like flies.

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They are clearly not our targets then are they?

Sydney!

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Sydney

ur contradicting urself, u posted awhile ago saying we hav bid for dembele and witsel. therefore dembele was targeted. just becos we failed (like weve done alot in the last few years) getting a player doesnt mean he wasnt a target.

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Or was the small Dembele bid just to test the water? I am sure if he was a true target we would have entered discussions with Fulham and compromised on a price. Perhaps the manager thought if he could get Dembele for £5m or so then he will get him, but wasn't interested in paying anymore than that? It's unknown, but if he was a target as of TODAY, then surely we would have tried to sign him?

Sydney!

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Alexis sanchez, modric , sneijder, lucas, hazard, ozil, varane, lewandoski, ballack, obi mikel, xerdan shaquiri, david silva, yaya toure, milner, and more wer never targets

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DDG, twins, Vidic, smalling, Jones, Evra, Toni, Nani, Young, Carrick, Anderson, Ronaldo, Nani, Rooney, Hernandez, RVP, RVN, Van Der Sar, Roy Keane, Cole, Yorke, Cantona, Hargreaves, Heinze, Tevez, Berbatov, Buttner, Kagawa, Powell, Lindegaard.

All targets that we did get.

The Moon.

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What was the small RVP tester before we ended paying £24M? It does meant we were after him eventually.

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29 Aug 2012 16:21:50
Why does SAF seem to have a fetish for wingers but a phobia of central midfielders.
SB

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Probably, winger play close to sidelines where SAF interacts constantly during play. So more wingers, more interactions, more strategies=better result.
SAF using sign language to MF is not heard of. Or maybe cause they don't come with wings.

Does that solve your mystery? Lol.

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Oh, lets have a look at our CM to winger signings this summer.

Winger(s); 0
Central midfielder(s); 1 - Powell.

The Moon.

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29 Aug 2012 16:11:13
I would love to see us put in a bid for Dembele but I think Spurs will quickly wrap up the transfer, what I don't want to see is us start to panic buy and end up will a half rate midfielder. Someone shouted Essien, maybe four years ago he would have been perfect.

1redarmy

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My god is that what the great united come to hoping to buy other teams has beens like essien god help us how the mighty have fallen a red united fan

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29 Aug 2012 15:01:42
You think with all the speculation surrounding Rooney and the chance of losing the automatic starting spot hes become use to, that we might see a real return to form when back from injury?

GD

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29 Aug 2012 14:56:22
Cant believe spurs are able to sign players Man Utd are interested in. How do they have better enticing strategies than Man Utd is beyond my reasoning.

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Because they have places in their ELP quota to fit him in......we don't. We need to move players on and free up spaces.

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29 Aug 2012 15:43:30
I don't understand why all you Man United fans are even posting on here as your manager has clearly stated that you ARE NOT signing anyone else. A real Man United fan would have trust in his manager.
Lfckid

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You mean like you trusted rafa, woy and kenny...

JK92

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Since your memory has deserted you i will speculate a little. During Van Persie's press conference SF said no more signings and after two days signed a left back. So if you click on the bar, at the top of your browser please type liverpoolrumours.co.uk and spend your time more wisely.

Regards,

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVECHILD

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29 Aug 2012 15:31:06
i see most utd fans would have the cry baby nani over walcott , and you value nani at twice the price of theo, well theo in the past couple of seasons has scored more goals , is younger, is faster, and he can take a corner kick, unlike nani, now maybe lpool will buy theo , maybe not, but if i had the choice i would buy walcott , better player,and utd fans value nani at 25-30 million, i know this is a banter site, but please people talk a little common -sense now and again.............lfc

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Mate you can't talk common sense because surely 'sense' would have prevailed when you signed Carroll Downing Henderson and Adam for over 70million combined so don't say Nani is overated as he is better than what Liverpool have.

Caolán.

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Walcott is an awful player.

Sydney!

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I think they are pretty similar to be fair lfc, both not good or consistent enough for United, maybe they would do well at your beloved club.

GDS

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Nani has scored 22 goals and has 27 assists in the previous two seasons playing out of his favoured position on the left. Also playing as a winger as opposed to one of a front three like where Walcott plays and where a player would score more frequently.

Walcott has scored 22 goals and has 20 assists playing in his favoured position on the right of a front three attack. So you are wrong again. I wouldn't touch Walcott with a bargepole, he is p1ss poor and far more frustrating than Nani is.

Sydney!

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And your statement that Walcott can take a better corner than Nani is based on what exactly? Cos it certainly aint common sense.

TK-Red

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Also Walcott corners?

RVP and Cesc have taken the corners for Arsenal for every year Walcott has been there.

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GDS-i argee mate, br is the brightest coach in england and would improve both players
SYD-your wrong , nani has scored 9 plus 12 goals in the past two seasons, plus theos favored position is cf
TK-RED-have you watched your last couple of matches, nani should not be taking corners
CAOAIN-your right in a way, but times have changed at lpool, this will be the last season you finish above us, we will just keep on building and improving , one season will be all it will take br mate ,to overhaul yous,.............lfc

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He's an athlete who's needed to be taught how to play football (if that makes sense)

He is not a natural player, and does not have an instinctive footballing brain that comes from playing and loving the game from a young age.

He can run quickly with the ball, granted, but usually has no idea what the final option should be - actually, rather a lot like Nani :)


StevieK

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Oxlade-Chamberlain is already a better player than Walcott and will continue to improve. Arsenal will be only too happy to take your money I'm sure. Nani may be inconsistent but at least he looks up from time to time. I doubt Rodgers will buy as poorly as Dalglish, but who knows. It's always fun watching your lot self destruct.

Ryan

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Lfc, Walcott is guff. The only reason you are on here blowing his trumpet is because you are linked to him. The problem is you cannot afford him and unless you can sell Carroll you will struggle to bring in anyone else. I hear Liverpool are so skint they are looking at loan options for players. How the mighty have fallen eh?

Sydney!

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Liverpool CAN afford players sunshine. It's just because our club likes to be ran a little differently than your debt riddled circus. There is a specific budget and the manager (This season) has been asked to stick to it. Oh, and I think we've had more to spend than you's in this window. But we're skint?

I'm sure that you more than most of the other UTD posters would LOVE your club to be in the same financial situation as LFC. Considering you tend to ramble on about the in's and out of UTDs dire financial plight.

Don't you worry pal. We're alright Jack, and we're not finished yet.

Scott78

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Scott78, Liverpool are running at a loss of around £50m a year. You are losing £1m every week that your owners are bankrolling. Manchester United are a profitable club. It's John Henry who wishes he was in the same financial position as Manchester United. You would have to be extremely dense to think that Liverpool are in a healthier position than United financially.

Sydney!

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I think you may be quoting the financial summary from when Hicks and Gillete were running the club pal. I'm pretty sure it was something to do with the plans for the new stadium and the costs incured which they left as as a little lagacy to the new owners where the media were saying we lost 50 mil? I'm sure were not in 100's of millions of pounds worth of debt, as well as tring all the snyd tricks in the book to sell shares at a ridiculous price. I'm a football fan, which means I tend to focus more on the football instead of the rubbishe that the lawyers and business men worry about. If you think that UTD are in a healthier financial position than Liverpool then I'm afraid you're delusional mate. Spend more time speaking to people on the street and around you, rather than posting in your virtual reality. cheers.

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Seems you are so clueless, here is a quote from your manager from earlier today:

"The club, in financial terms, is in need of repair so those players linked and for those sums linked, I don't have the ability to do that unfortunately. Certainly not in this transfer window anyway. That is the reality of it. Unfortunately it is going to take more than one window."

You are skint, learn more about your own club before you comment on my club.

Sydney!

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£350m debt to a club that turns over £350m a year in revenue is peanuts. Take last season for an example, United spent £47m (net) on players, paid the £45m annual interest and still made a £30m pretax profit. United are in great financial health and perhaps if you done a little research you would know this.

What would you prefer? Liverpool's £185m turnover with outgoings of £235m or United's £331m turnover with £260m outgoings? You do the maths.

Sydney!

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Oh, and the quote from Rodgers is laughable too. I think he means that with the money spent on players over the past two seasons, we will need to reign in the spending by order of our owners.

2+2=10 there mate. Well done though.

Scott78

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You came at me originaly with your 50mil a year loss rubbishe when (after reading up on it just to prove you wrong) I was right. from April 2011 to April 2012, which is Just one year when H&G left us in the rubbishe, we reported a 50 mil loss which was cost incured for failed plans to build the new stadium on Stanley park and payoffs to Hodgson etc. So to try and make out that is a regular anual loss like you did is a joke.

The 50mil didn't include the 25mil a year we get from warrior sports which would have halved that before we begun. I know I've been drawn into your number crunching virtual reality world of football, but just to prove you talk rubbishe, I spent 3 minutes to discover you talk from your rusty sherrifs badge. Get your figures straight before you comment on my club too. Cheers ears.

Scott78 {Ed007's Note - If you can't get your point across without resorting to childish name calling don't bother posting. I edited this one but I won't be doing it again, you will just be blocked.}

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29 Aug 2012 14:26:09
For those who continually ask Sydney! how he knows we bid for Witsel and cannot use the search function...

From Ed002 ~ 19th Aug:

"The issue will be the fee for Witsel. Manchester United has already made an offer that has been rejected. With Real Madrid out of the picture and Zenit clearly in, I am sure there is a watching brief. However, Roma could well drop interest if, say, Manchester City were to offer them Nigel De Jong as part of a deal for De Rossi"

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29 Aug 2012 14:23:29
Will good to have Fletcher back, but are we really for real? I doubt he'll be ready for the first-team in a month or 2.

Barca may have the best Center Midfielder in the world and bought Song.

Madrid bought Modric.

City- still on the market

Chelsea- is getting stronger

Sahin to L'pool.

And we recalled Scholes (he's a legend and WAS a great player at his time) and we're good?

I live the way supporters support our players(some) and the team, but it does not mean that we're in the same page with Barca, Madri... Look like we already accept that Barca is better than us and now we have to copy their model instead of creating our own way.

Look like the solution is just support and wait for the results. Nobody knows what the future reserves not even SAF, then lets wait and see if SAF was right.

Nick86

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29 Aug 2012 14:19:34
What the hell SAF... Letting a quality player joins Spurs for cheap!! I like Demebele but I think we need a Defensive type of Midfielder... Our perfect fit would be Fellaini or Tiote... Also Kurt Zouma is apparently a good strong CDM/CB which is both what we need and hes also only 17 years of age and already looks a big one for the future

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If we miss out on Nastasic then Zouma should be someone of interest to us.

RedDevil19

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City agreed a fee for Nastastic :(

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"letting a quality player join spurs for cheap" what gives us the devine right over all transfers,,good player would be an asset at our club but we've no control over the market,,,

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Nastasic is no good to us now, he is not what the club are looking for anymore. The club were looking for a CB who would be willing to play in the U21's for a year until Rio left. Nastasic is far too advanced in progression to be stuck in the U21's. Zouma fits the bill nicely.

Sydney!

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I take your point Syd! but what happened to the days when there was no room for sentimentality? We should bring in the best players we can and should they force out Rio then so be it.

TK-Red

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TK, Nastasic isn't good enough to replace Rio and go straight in front of Evans, Smalling, Vidic & Jones and is too good to sit in the U21's. So they would need a player happy to sit in the U21's and wait for his chance. Nastasic is not going to be happy to do that. Smalling and Jones are the long-term successors to Rio & Vidic. So it's finding players who are happy to be back-ups for them.

Sydney!

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I said since the start of last season I would start Smalls ahead of Rio all day long and IMO once he is fit he will partner Vida.

Jono

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29 Aug 2012 14:19:06
This may be a silly idea that could backfire, butshould we have interest in Scott Parker? Spurs have put him up for sale and we could go out and get him. He could turn out like Hargreaves, but alternatively he could be a brilliant acquisition for us and I don't imagine he'd be all that expensive - would rather have Dembele though.

RedDevil19

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Just posted the same on the other page, not realising this was here, excellent player and hugely underated imo

Would welcome him.

Giants14

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I think he could certainly do a job and would be very sueful in big games where we would play 3 in midfield. Not my first choice by any means, but if he can do a job then I say go for it. Same with Essien.

RedDevil19

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29 Aug 2012 14:17:09
Hi guys, in general i really enjoy reading the posts on this site, i make a point of coming on everyday to check the banter[love it] but am a bit disappointed with the negativity factor.
I am new to this site but the rise in bitterness towards the manager and players when things don't quite go to plan is frightening.
Is this the norm ? It has been bad enough during the transfer window what happens when that closes do these so called fans just slate the team every week.
We have what we have let's get behind the team and show what the word SUPPORTER MEANS.
Love life Love Manchester United {Ed004's Note - Yes it is like this all the time. You will realise some people just come on here to moan}

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We don''t come on here to moan we come on here to put our opinions across.
Not everyone floats around in a Man United bubble thinking everything is rosey at Old Trafford.

Simmo

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I agree with you Simmo that as an opinion site it should welcome all opinions and not just those that are positive, but I also agree with the OP and Ed. When people post things like ''If we don't sign a CM we will be lucky to finish 4th'' then it is just moaning for the sake of moaning. The reality is it would still be a massive shock if we finished outside the top 4, even the top 2, barely anyone would disagree that they'd like to see a CM brought in and above all it's just completely unoriginal. So you can understand why people say they're fed up of negativity when they have to trawl through posts like that.

APC

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Everything isn't rosy at OT, and hasn't been for a few years. We are storing up huge problems down the line but SAF and MP can't see the train wreck they are letting happen on their watch.

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29 Aug 2012 13:55:04
Does anybody have any proof that we did ever make a bid for Dembele? Or Witsel for that matter?

DanB

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Yes I have the notes in my filafax in the stainless Steele suitcase . Why .... Your not sayin it was the media who spun the stories are you cause if so I would have to sell my suitcase .......and I need that for fergies bonus from the floatations .....

CAIN

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29 Aug 2012 13:53:00
Question: Who would you replace Scholes and Giggs with? Do you think Clevs can replace Scholes? Will Bale replace Giggs?
Comments welcome guys!

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I think we would use this season to accommodate the possible replacements. Cleverly is very different player.
Bale? I don't think so. My personal major concern is that we'll struggle to replace them and Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra are not getting younger.

Nick86

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29 Aug 2012 13:47:41
All these stories of Rooney leaving united is bulls**t
There's been loads of stories like this in the past few years and at the end of it Rooney and fergie have reached an agreement over it
Also if he did leave he would not go to man city plus £40 million for Rooney is a joke

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29 Aug 2012 13:40:21
hey guys!
i'm probably being a tad optimistic here, but i was expecting to wake up this morning with the Dembele deal all wrapped up and confirmed, seeing as the bid was accepted last night and supposedly the medical was taking place. however as nothing has been made official yet, maybe there is still hope we will try and get Moussa, or maybe Fergie just cant see a viable role for him in our team. What do you lot think? He would fit seamlessly into our team and i would be gutted if he did venture off to Spurs. All we can do is hope, but im sure if we do miss out then either we have someone waiting in the wings, or SAF has another plan with what we have already got. just a thought
many thanks
partywolf

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29 Aug 2012 10:44:20
Hi ed...my first post on your great site.....I couldnt fail to notice any news on nick powel is he injured or would be playing with reseves for now...he could solve our Midfield problem. {Ed004's Note - I do not know where he is but I didn't expect him to play the first few games}

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29 Aug 2012 13:27:23
Been reading a lot on how Dembele tore us to pieces on Saturday.
Really?
How many of you watched that game?
The player in control of that match was Kagawa.
Dembele had a good last 20 minutes when for some reason we sat back and got nervous.

Tore us to shreds?!? Honestly.

Now i like Dembele but IF he was THAT good SAF would have moved for him because at £15M its hardly breaking the bank. Remember SAF also watched Fulhams first match.
Some rumours are saying we offered £13.5M this week which is a bit daft as his release fee was £15M!

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Next you will be saying that Anderson bossed the center midfield area.

Simmo

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That's what I have been saying mate.

Caolán.

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Agreed. Dembeles a decent player, no more than that.
Reading here you would think hes Xavi Iniesta and Zidane all rolled into one.

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29 Aug 2012 13:13:23
Well if there is any truth in the Susaeta rumours then Ed002 was spot on a while back saying we were in for him and to be honest he is a very good player but another winger and at that he plays on the right if I remember correctly which makes it more confusing because surely we need a left winger with him being Nani's replacement ?

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29 Aug 2012 13:05:15
im sorry but if SAF is relying on fletcher then we are in trouble..
no disrespect to fletcher but he wasn't good enough when fully fit and after that serious illness he wont come back as good as he was.

fletcher isn't the answer, thought SAF didn't want 2nd rate players...

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29 Aug 2012 13:00:35
i dont believe all this talk that we are lacking in midfield, i think we already have a player who is capable of filling scholes's boots, that man being Rooney wid van persie and kawaga playin up front, then he cud relax a bit , stop worrying or trying too hard to score and just control the game

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I agree. With experience he could be the man for that role.

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I seem to remember Fergie trying to convert Alan Smith to a midfielder and look where his career went.
Rooney is not a midfilder he plays in the hole behind the striker and can also play as the main striker.

Simmo

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Simmo!

You're right. Someday we'll a keeper and try to play him as a defender instead of buying a natural defender.
People needs to know that Rooney is a striker/Central forward.

Nick86

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29 Aug 2012 13:00:07
Imo i think we are done for incomings if fergie thought we needed to sign a cdm like dembele he wouldnt have said that bussiness is done i dont believe in all this smokescreen bull to divert other clubs because if thats the case in the dembele transfer it hasnt worked seeing as spur have agreed a fee i for one dont believe we made a bid of 5mil i dont think we made a bid at all if fergie thinks we need someone he will buy them he obviously doesnt
ARJ

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Yes correct ARJ, SAF hhas never said before we are finished and then bought someone else lol

Pardoe

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29 Aug 2012 12:59:52
NOW I have seen something very similar but where??Spanish football fans who have spent the summer observing two seemingly never ending transfer sagas were finally put out of their misery this week, when Turkish midfielder Nuri Sahin headed out of Real Madrid to Liverpool, and was swiftly replaced by Luka Modric of Tottenham Hotspur.

Although the deals have now finally been done, nagging doubts remain as to the strategy surrounding them. Those behind the scenes at the league champions have expended a lot of time and energy to get the Croatian playmaker, and some may say it has been worth it, with the final transfer fee significantly less than had originally been quoted by Spurs chairman Daniel Levy.

However last season Madrid had very few problems scoring goals (they managed a staggering 121 in 38 league games), but far more difficulties in defending from set pieces and crosses, a weakness which Getafe’s Juan Valera again exploited on Sunday night. Making Modric the marquee signing of the summer, rather than investing a similar amount on strengthening the defence, seems to be a questionable decision to say the least.

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I agree but Real as a club buy who the usual incoming president decide is a sexy signing and it isn't a footballing decision, it always seems to be to buy votes and doesn't appear to be a managers choice the majority of the time

Pardoe

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29 Aug 2012 12:43:19
So with the latest Susaeta news and us bidding for Witsel is shows the club are still active in the market. I think we need to hurry and get players out.

Sydney!

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When did we bid for witsel
she? Recently?.

Macca!

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Maybe this syd..

fiorentina sell defender to man city..

we sell berbatov to fiorentina...

we bid for dembele...

we can all hope..

JK92

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Syd how do you know we have bid for witsel because neither club has confirmed it.

Caolán.

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Deary me Sydney

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29 Aug 2012 12:42:21
According to TalkSh*ite we have had an offer turned down for Susaeta (? spelling). He is yet another winger - has SAF lost the plot or is it all a smokescreen?

Mike B.

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We are trying to get a replacement for Nani!

GDS

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I seriously think that fergie thinks carrick & fletch will be enough and we need creative players to score more goals as we lost the league on goal difference.

the one aspect of this that he is missing is that we conceded 6 against city. had that been just 1 or even a positive result for us that would have changed everything anyway and we would have won the league. SCORING was not the issue........

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We did not lose the league because of one game, we lost the league because of 38 games.

We played City on a great day with 10 men from 1-0 onwards and collapsed in the last 5 minutes after we tried to get back in the game.

GDS

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29 Aug 2012 12:36:43
Spanish papers suggesting Markel Susaeta has turned down the chance to join Utd and instead renewed his current deal at Bilbao. Maybe would have been a replacement for Nani if he departed the club.

Talented player but thought he was one of the weaker parts of the Bilbao team when we played them.

RedKnight

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29 Aug 2012 12:29:56
Fletcher is back!! well he'll be back playing for the first team within a month or two, he played a full 90 minutes for the reserves the other night, and captained the side. For me he is one very underrated CM, his engine is amazing and his desire to work hard for the team is why he is held so highly in regards with SAF. Fletcher is what we lacked last season against the Yaya Toure's, Fellaini's and Dembele's of the league, and having him back would give us the player we have been wanting to buy for a whole year. I still expect one more signing in deadline day, but not a CM as we will be sacrificing all the talent we have there, I expect either a defender to come in as cover, or a winger if Nani goes (which I don't believe for one minute, about as reliable as the Rooney leaving story). Any of the Eds agree?

Jake F {Ed004's Note - I think we will sign one more player}

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29 Aug 2012 12:28:54
Does anybody know if there are loan deals lined up or Larnell Cole, Jesse Lingard, Petrucci? They would be wasted doing another year in the reserves!

Dan

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The loan window doesn't shut on Friday.

Sydney!

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29 Aug 2012 12:16:29
Can't believe city have snatched dembele before us, I would of rathered him to of gone spurs, they will win the league now, can see another 6-1 defeat again or even worse, times are bad for our midfield, why can't fergie see that is we're we are most weakest?!?

Bobby Omelette

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Where have you got this from ???

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You think you know more than fergie. I dont think he is unaware of any weeknesses.

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Ah, Roberto at last we find out your secret posting name.

Welcome to the site, Mr Mancini.

MPez

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29 Aug 2012 14:09:08
You mean like Fulham won the league because they had Dembele? It takes more than one player, some people do overreact!

GDS

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29 Aug 2012 12:09:20
Markel Susaeta so impressed Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson when his team were knocked out of the Europa League by Athletic Club Bilbao that he got the club to make him an offer to move to Manchester United.

The 24 year old was on low wages with a buy-out clause which Manchester United were prepared to meet but, according to AS, he refused the chance to join the Premier League team and instead started negotiations on a new contract with the Bilbao club.

Manchester United offered Susaeta €3.5m per year which was more than quadruple his salary with Athletic Club. He asked for an increase with his current team to €1.5m but they only offered €800,000, an agreement has been reached between the two parties and Susaeta has agreed to commit himself - with a large buy-out clause - until 2016.

It will be a relief for the La Liga side who are in the process of losing Javi Martinez to Bayern Munich and Fernando Llorente to anyone prepared to pay his fee. Both players have faced harsh criticism from fans, with Llorente getting the worst of it. Vile messages wishing death upon the striker were written on the windows of the club shop and there appears to be little room for conciliation, meaning he may leave for free next summer.

Markel Susaeta does not want to leave Bilbao and has made that clear by turning down a huge wage increase from Manchester United.

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29 Aug 2012 12:09:13
what is happening to manutd?

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29 Aug 2012 12:02:49
Dembele having medical at UTD, why do we always seem to miss out on top midfield targets? Bet he turns out to be awesome for them, I can see them winning the league now

Alf Barnes

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I think you are a bit mixed up mate!

RedDub

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Tottenham United, ofcourse.

MPez

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For a minute there, I thought he was talking about Manchester Spurs

Gar

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29 Aug 2012 12:00:33
Have a lot of faith in the squad as it is now. SAF will have something up his sleeve. He's never let us down. The best thing would be to get quieroz back

GD

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Never? U sure?

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29 Aug 2012 11:52:45
Yes, Demebele is a great player and will arguably get a lot better in the future, however given the players already brought in and the fact fletcher is hopefully back, im hoping to see Fergie delve into the Youth squad for some games. I know i shouldnt say this, but the way Brendan Rodgers put faith in a 17 year old kid on the wing against a man city defence that really didnt concede that much last season was such a nice sight. The kid obviously has bags of potential and has come through their ranks. Id be happy for fergie too take a chance like that. It might work, but it might not. We dont know if they can step up yet, but we wont know until we try. No doubt all the fans praising Tunners etc will be on their backs if they dont immediately make an impact

Fagan

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29 Aug 2012 11:48:08
The manager clearly has an interest in Dembele otherwise we wouldn't have bid for him. There can only be a few reason's to why we haven't followed up with another bid. Either the manager doesn't believe he is worth more than we offered, the manager's budget is not allowing us to bid more due to outgoings not yet sold or he has another player in mind. I do not buy this Fletcher nonsense, Fletcher was a decent squad player, but was not the answer to midfield problems then so certainly wouldn't be now. The day is still young and things may change, but I think a lot of our movement now is dependent on what happens with Berbatov and Nani. If Fiorentina buy Berbatov and Zenit buy Nani today then perhaps we will see some movement in the midfield area. Perhaps Witsel is still the number one target and the club are planning another bid? Benfica need to sell and we have already bid once for the player so it has to be a good possibility we will return with another bid?

Lets wait and see, but I will be truly disappointed if we do not bring in a tough midfield player as it's as clear as day that we need one. Has the manager left it too late? Is his stubbornness going to prevent us buying a midfielder or does he have something up his sleeve?

Sydney!

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29 Aug 2012 11:21:18
Don't shoot the messenger but a delivery driver just came into work to drop a parcel off and said a very reliable contact had told him Rooney is off to real for cash and benzema, don't believe it myself but who knows. Anyone else heard this by any chance?

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Was the delivery driver working for DHL? One of our sponsors, if so it must be correct ffs!! He was listening to talks**te, the same as me this morning.RUBBISH!!
Flyhalf(Mitch)

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29 Aug 2012 11:19:43
Athletic Bilbao star Markel Susaeta has rejected the opportunity to join Manchester United, according to reports in Spain.
Madrid-based paper AS say that the Bilbao winger was offered a potential annual salary of €3.5m over the course of four years at Old Trafford.
But the 24-year-old has instead decided to renew his contract with his current club, despite Athletic offering far less than United.
The winger's current deal runs until 2013, but he is now expected to extend by an additional three years.

jred

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29 Aug 2012 10:59:45
.Before we played fulham I said we need fellani or Dembele
I said I hoped Dembele wouldn't ram the point home, but he did, now he's going to spurs he could do it again. Spurs used to give us a game with rat face in midfield but with Dembele they could overrun us, if we get bayern in the cl and they have Martinez, we'll all be saying "should have got a physical midfielder, these players are like six pointer games, it's not just what they could do for you, it's what they can do to you. At the end of the season when we're looking at games/points we lost, will we have regrets?
I hope not, but I think we will!
Cheers, tookers

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29 Aug 2012 10:49:01
I cannot understand why Sir Alex is so reluctant in buying a midfielder. We are bidding large sums on Lucas Moura and Hazard but are not ready to bid for a good midfielder.

Utd. Indian

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Because he thinks carrick & fletcher are the answer and they are not....

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Because he's an old man stuck in his ways I'm afraid. As I keep saying he WAS the best manager ever, but his time has come. Time to move on I'm afraid.

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Leave a name then we can laugh at you at the end of the year..

GDS

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There you go again GDS, ever present with the sneering one liners because you don't agree with the opinions of others. Its getting boring now mate!

Flimbo

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Haha grow up Flimbo.

GDS

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29 Aug 2012 10:47:28
so rooney scored 36 goals last season in a team that most fans would admit never played with the same attacking flair and style of united teams in the past and some people think he never had that good a season.

Well if any other player in the league scored 36 goals i would off thought he would off had a great season.
For the people who think rooney has lost his desire or was poor etc what would he have to do to have a good season.
In the last 3 year i would be surprised if anyone in the league has scored more goals than him and some people seem to think his on the slide.
jred

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Thank you this is what i have been stating the other day, 1 bad game at the start of a season when most players ain't match fit, and every1 seems to think he has been poor for ages. i understand why the rooney bashing, but us united fans never used to wharp the truth, lets leave that to the mersey siders

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Jred mate! I guess the point is, no matter how many goals he scores, no matter how hard a shift he puts in, no matter he gets a nasty gash trying to block a free kick, no matter being played out of position when need be, no matter how much passion he shows when he puts on the shirt!..

I guess for some people.. HE CAN NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH. Such a shame!

He has been our standout performer for more than a season now and will be indispensable this season as well..

Deeps...

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Totally agree with you lads, I cant believe there's people criticizing Rooney of all people! Whatever about shambolic signings like Anderson, Bebe. Young and even Nani who have all failed to deliver but to say Rooney is as bad as any of them is downright insane and actually quite disrespectful to the guy! Some people just don't think before they speak.

Flimbo

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29 Aug 2012 10:31:58
Eds

Just noticed you have not posted my replies to The moon and GDS' comments/replies to my original post. Is there any particular reason for this? The posts were clean and based on manchester united so I cannot see why you would decline to post them, thanks

Flimbo {Ed004's Note - If they were clean then they should have been posted. I can't remember not posting them}

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Apologies Ed there must have been some sort of delay as the page had been updated yet they were missing, anyways sorry again :-)

Flimbo {Ed007's Note - Well sorry is just not bloody good enough.....}

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Trust me Ed, my apologies are genuine and a rarity in fact!

Flimbo {Ed007's Note - I'll let you off this time then.}

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29 Aug 2012 10:24:01
What do you think about selling Nani and for him to buy Theo Walcott? In my opinion this will be the ideal solution!

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What!! replace an inconsistent player with an even more inconsistent player with half of Nani's talent? Are you mental?

Sydney!

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In response to your argument I think crystal meth is evil
Invisible STuey

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Great point Syd, the last thing we need is someone with less talent and even less consistency than our most inconsistent player

Flimbo

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29 Aug 2012 10:21:44
I know I'm a negative old boot, but I thought this comment was quite humourous so thought I'd share - it also mirrors how I feel myself.

My housemate is a die-hard Leeds Utd fan, Leeds born and bred. Used to spit on shop windows as a kid that had United shirts hanging in it, haha - he was from a rough end of Leeds, forgive him! Nice guy now.

Anyway, he's warmed to us (United) slightly due to hating the way Chelsea/City have gone about their business financially etc. And having to sit through countless United games with me.

Discussing CM last night, or rather, our lack of one, this was the comment he made and I liked it:

"RVP is an incredible player but let's be honest - it's sort of like buying a tramp a Ferrari. The tramp would be over the moon but come on - there's more pressing matters here!"

I chuckled but I also whole-heartedly agree. We've had the same problem for years and still haven't solved it, while spending our money on other areas.

Nonetheless, I'll be glued to the screens until 2am on Sat morning - you never know, we might get a late treat, but I doubt it.

RED_SKY

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29 Aug 2012 09:23:02
Given current Position in CM at this late stage in the window, what would be the general opinion on a late move for an available Essien at chelski? He would fit perfectly in our CM as it stands...... As it would seem its looking unlikely we will get that addition where it's needed most.
Ren

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29 Aug 2012 08:57:04
All this talk about fergie trying to sign someone else is rubbish,, fergie said "there will deffo not be more signings" I'm as gutted as any fan cause there is a massive problem in our midfield, and when you see dembele leave for 15mill it's almost like fergie doesn't see the problem,, but as united fans, we have got to get behind our team, we still have a very good side,, Anderson and cleverly could be the key to our midfield,,,,,,, also nani is going nowhere and the speculation with Rooney is rubbish,, he has hit a bad patch in form,,, that was a problem that scared fergie cause he carried united,,, hence rvp,,,

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29 Aug 2012 08:40:54
Fergie has come out and said thats the end of the spending in this transfer window. GET THE HINT!!
Stop putting rubbish on here about who were going in for, its a lie thats it ,finished, end, no more.
Listen to what he said.

PBMUFC

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You do know he said the same thing 3 days before we signed Buttner and Henriquez? And a week before we signed Berbatov.

So maybe going off form that is why people don't believe Fergie?

GDS

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People putting rumours on a rumour site.

What next!!!

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29 Aug 2012 08:17:28
Our center Midfield is poor, simple as that.
This is nothing to do with love for the club, its called reality.
We defended the result against Fulham with Giggs(OMG). Tunna won't play much this season and I doubt next season as well. Fergie has faith in him but he also trusted and had faith in Pogba.

Dembele is/was a very good player and cheap option. Maybe after 2 seasons we'll make a 30mil bid for him.

We do have a very strong squad this season but with same old s***t from last season. We lost the EPL in goal difference(as people say its the cause) but we rarely dominate a game after the 5 first games due to the Mid.

I just hope we don't look so stupid like we did against Wigan and Newcastle again. We're Manchester United.

We may win the EPL but CL is more than a dream for us.
Shout on me whatever you want, say you love the club more than me and I'm whatever you'll try to say but deep there in your hearts you guys know the reality.

Nice day for y'all.

Nick86

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Nick86

Good post. Thing is mate, it's not just this season or last. This has been an ongoing problem that SAF has refused to address for years. Declining midfield reliant on aging legends.

- Every pundit sees it.

- Every fan sees it.

- We got played off the park and made to look amateur by even bottom-level European sides like Basle last season. Bilbao made us look like schoolboys.

- Our prized possession, who just so happened to be our future at CM, is left in the reserves and decides to leave.

- We had to bring a retired player back to help.

- We're doing the same this season with Fletcher.

As will now become my motto for the rest of the season:

"No steel.....no silver."

RED_SKY

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This is the problem. People really think that Scholes will save us, it's insane, he maybe helped last year, but I can't believe people thinks that we have a Mids with quality to fight for the 4 trophies this season.

Nick86

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Seriously mate, it baffles me. Look at the other 'big' teams and their midfield options.

We have: 2 x legends who can barely string two games together (understandably, they're approaching bloody 40!);

Anderson - overweight every seaosn, plays 4-5 games then gets injured....then we hear about how 'next year will be his season'.

Carrick - neat passer, zero physical presence, looks terrified in possession most of the time.

Fletcher - retired, on the comeback trail from serious injury, unlikely to ever reach his old form.

Cleverly - the boy's 23 but our fans talk like he's 17 and set to light the league ablaze. He's a very, very good player. Perhaps our best asset in the CM.

I don't really count Kagawa, he's more of an attacker IMO - A brilliant one.

Our midfield has been shocking for a couple of seasons now. But we're persons, along with all the pundits (who used to be players themselves, remember) and anyone else who dares question.

RED_SKY

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29 Aug 2012 08:14:18
Does anyone think fergie has given up trying to emulate Barcelona and instead moved onto the Barcelona B side? bit of banter as it seems the midfield enigma goes on!

Scholes and Giggs - legends but time has caught up.

Anderson (weight problem) & cleverley - injury prone

Fletcher - recovering, might be back soon?

Jones - defender and injured a lot

Tunicliffe, Petrucci and u21s.

Fergie looks at that and is happy with central midfield? Needs surgery, anyone can see that!

Bryn Mez

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29 Aug 2012 08:10:00
I've seen people dissapointed that Dembele appears to be going to Spurs, then others now suggesting we go for Wanama (spelling?), like money is burning a hole in your pockets! Sometimes the answers lie within. We have a clutch of very promising young players who have been at the club since young kids and know the Utd way, Petrucci, Blackett, Cole, Tunnicliffe, the Keanes to name a few. Of course they won't all make it but
you can't clog up their route to the first team by keep introducing bought in players just to appease the press and certain fans who seem to think that being a manager is like some computer game!

We all have our opinions, but some of these pseudo managers really do my head in.

J - Stand

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I do yee your point, but you might miss something essential.

it is a lot easier to introduce young players into a functioning team.
Have a strong team and switch the odd player for a youngster won't make the team fail and help the youngster to develop.
But struggling is not a good foundation to introduce youth.
Therefore I'd rather see a strong and assured midfielder in the middle of the park to play alongside say Tunners, instead of Tunners having to be the strong midfielder whenever he plays for the first time.

I believe it's not the stars blocking the routes for youngsters, but those just jogging along and having to be carried.
No wonder Barca keep developing great youth, the can play in a functioning unit and play without the pressure having to save a struggling team.

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J, but if the answer lies within then why have we bid for Dembele and Witsel in the past few weeks?

Sydney!

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J-stand
we do have as you say a clutch off very promising youngsters but the fear is that we appear to have a manager that has either, lost his bottle when it comes to trusting them to do a job (Pogba ?) or he unlike us knows they wont cut it in the prem personally i,d give them a try they cant turn in much worse performances than we did at times last season.The only other reason is fergie realises he,s not got the time to let them develop as he is nearing retirement and wants results now.If that is the case his failure to strengthen our midfield (with the exception of kagawa) makes no sense and that is what frustrates us all ,hopefully fergies got a master plan that we cant see and we go on to even more glory.If not then i,ll still be going to OT and supporting my team but it dont stop me feeling something isnt right with our lack off investment in midfield
onecut

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29 Aug 2012 07:51:39
Well guys looks like no new signings and Dembele is gone to spurs, no strootman/witsel/ or anyone else for that matter.
There seems to be a common view that our midfield is not competitive enough which I agree and to be honest I was horrified the way we got our as...s kicked in Europe last year and probably our worse performance in Europe in the last 15 years.

Now what is done I guess is done and let's give SAF and the team time to either prove all of us wrong or as someone said probably SAF last year if we have a repeat of last years performance in Europe. I for one wish we at least sell Berba and Nani not just from a financial point of view but from settling down things as it must be very unsettling for the players with the current atmosphere( nani is rubbish and berba is too slow).

Finally, I do hope SAF gives some of the younger guys a chance to prove if they are good enough to be part of the rotation in the league. Shahram

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No new signings?

I didn't see RVP, Kagawa, Powell, Buttner or Henriquez at Old Trafford last season, correct me if I am wrong though?

GDS

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I meant no more till the close of the window and the whole thing is a view about the clubs approach to the new season. WE ARE NOT SIGNING ANYONE FOR MIDFIELD

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29 Aug 2012 07:42:58
Ashley Young 15mil€
Phil Jones aprox- 16mil€
Dembele- 5mil€
Great evaluation. Next year we'llake a 30mil€ bid.

Nick86

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29 Aug 2012 07:21:22
For those disappointed in us allowing Dembele to go by for a reasonable fee, don't worry, if he comes good we'll be in for him next summer for £25-30m! Happened many times before.

Three important and experienced midfielders in Giggsy, the Ginger Prince and Carrick will need replacing in less than a year.

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If we were to refuse to pay £15m this summer for Dembele we are certainly not going to pay double a year or two down the line.

Sydney!

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29 Aug 2012 07:20:21
Martin Jol confirms medical fro Dembele with Spurs... Looks to be almost done. Looking less likely we'll bring someone in now before tomorrow.

Although I'm sure SSN will link is with someone for the deadline day mayhem.

RebelRed

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29 Aug 2012 05:37:20
i believe we are in for a long frustrating season again, reason bein is yes we have added to the squad but the decent ball winning midfielder we crave is once again not going to happen! the whole world can see this only person that doesnt seems to be saf, if saf does then he needs to act before its to late and tarnishes his amazin record, cos i for 1 will remember the 3 seasons he has let us all down on this elusive midfielder we desperatly need. joey

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29 Aug 2012 02:58:18
Can anybody recommend me any Manchester United or Alex Ferguson books?
I'd like to read more about the history of the club.

MikonBR

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Managing my Life, by Alex Ferguson.

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Fergie's autobiography is a great read! Or David Meek and Tom Tyrell's ''Sir Alex Ferguson'' is pretty good too, gives some good club history from his years in charge as well his own personal stories.

Andy!

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"The Rebel who would be King" by Philippe Auclair.

Absolutely great biog of "Le Roi" Eric (starting supporting the club in the days of Charlton and best - but for me the one player that will always be Manchester United in my mind is the King).
I am not a great fan of sporting biographies but this one is a great read - very well written - in the English version they have cut out most of the typical french habit of waxing on poetically / philosophically / staring at their navel.

Also gives you some nice insights into the corruption that was rife in the French games (and am sure in many others). Tried to post on this last year but maybe it upset one or "2" eds by referring to Marseille & Bordeaux ::)) (joke !) or maybe posting from a crap mobile connection on the french coast it did not get through.

Mike

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The greatest book ever is by Eamon Dunphy( not a new one by any means though) an awful lot about the Busby era etc.

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29 Aug 2012 02:12:54
For me the worst thing about spurs getting Dembele is that we will have to play against him again at old Trafford in 4 weeks time!

Let's hope we either hijack the deal or have somebody to counteract him by then!

Hoping fletcher will get back fit and that's why fergie hasn't signed a midfielder, but it worries me if that's the gamble we are taking!

Still think it has been a decent summer in the market and a midfielder would make it a perfect summer with every position we needed filled.

GDS

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Fletcher will never be back, Dembele would have been perfect. But SAF and the person Phelan cant see that!
Worrying when our manager and his puppet cant see the gaping void in our midfield. Two matches against modest opposition, Everton and Fulham and our midfield has been destroyed.
Well done SAF and Phelan, keep going this way and we can kiss goodbye to any trophies for the next five years.

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What worries me, GDS, is you talking about Fletcher as if he's gonna be able to even get within 10yrds of players like Dembele. It's this sort of 'head in sand' approach we've been using for the last few years - allowing legendary old veterans to get slower, older and less effective while refusing to believe that they need replacing.

So, yeah, let's put our eggs in the basket of a man who just a few months ago was retired from the game due to a severe, depleting illness. And still suffers from said illness. Have you seen Fletch lately? Please don't take this offensively, but the man weighs the same as Dembele's left leg at this moment in time. I wish him a full recovery but the signs don't look good.

What do we do? Wait ANOTHER year without reinforcing that position?

RED_SKY

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Red_Sky,

Fully agree with the Fletcher thing, unsure where in my post I suggested I thought not buying a midfielder and relying on Fletch was a good idea or was me keeping my head in the sand though or 'refusing to believe he needs replacing', you are just kicking off with me because you always do, not because you disagreed with me.

Fletcher is only 28 and I am guessing you know as much as me about his illness. The only thing I know is Lewis Moody has the same illness and continued to play at the very top level in a sport more physically demanding than football.

No name,

Bearing in mind you think Dembele would have been perfect, thus suggesting if we got him he could be the final piece in the jigsaw, how can you suggest we will not win a trophy for 5 years? What is there to suggest we will not sign a player next summer, or any summer before 2016 or that one of our youngsters could step up like Tunnicliffe.

Some people are so obsessed with the defensive midfield they forget to look at the amazing young talent around the squad:

DDG, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Fabio, Cleverley, Petrucci, Powell, Welbeck, Kagawa, Hernandez, Henriquez are all 23 and under and would make a pretty decent team now. So yes we need a midfielder, but if we get one or somebody steps up we are ready to challenge for years to come.

GDS

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Lewis Moody didn't look like skeletor from He-Man mate. Fletcher looks really, really ill and I feel bad for the bloke - top servant, good player (but I don't know when he was ever a world-beater, which is the vibe I'm getting at times on this board?)

"No steel.....no silver."

RED_SKY

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Agreed, we could do with a midfielder not doubting that.

The no steel....no silver thing is going to get annoying, one season in seven without any silver would suggest we will win something this season, and I wouldn't be surprised if we win the league, even without the midfielder people so desire.

Never heard such pessimistic people in my life. Fans of most clubs always think their team is going to win!

GDS

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We're opposite ends of the spectrum mate. You're an eternal optimist who sees no wrongdoing or negative in anything United related. I'm a complete and utter pessimist - my mentality is, 'don't expect too much then it won't come as a disappointment'.

The silver/steel thing is supposed to be annoying mate, that's the point - like us not signing a CM when we're in dire need, annoys me no end.

I'll get annoyed writing it by May 2013, believe me! But it's a statement I stand firmly by - without reinforcements in an area that has needed TLC for a few years, we won't progress this season.

RED_SKY (I'll leave the 'slogan' until after deadline day, haha)

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29 Aug 2012 02:09:33
All this Rooney leaving talk is a joke and complete BS

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29 Aug 2012 01:33:19
So What was a silly £5m all about for Dembele if we wasn't gonna follow up with a better offer! We've been linked with him in one form or another well over a year now. I Really hope we can hijack this deal to spurs because like RVP I dont think we can afford him to go anywhere else.

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Correct, but SAF and person Phelan seem to think that Anderson, Scholes, Carrick and Cleverley are good enough!
What a total joke! Maybe the manager has finally lost the plot and his right hand man never had the plot in the first place.
We will win nothing this year.

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No name,

Tell me your name and I will have a bet with you that we do win something this year, you seem certain so I am guessing you will give me ermm 500/1?

GDS

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29 Aug 2012 01:04:40
The one thing I am confused about is the fact we have supposedly made bids for dembele and witsel both presumably rejected and yet there has been no follow up.

If Edds or syd or anyone could shed some light on the situation that would be great.

Personally think 15mil for dembele is a steal also hoping fergie has something up his sleeve before the window closes maybe witsel that would be great.


Munkydunc

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29 Aug 2012 01:03:24
its obvious to anybody who knows football we need dembele, he is a proven premiership player our midfield is over aged and injury prone and not have the guts for a battle, we are out muscled in the big games. we need to impose ourselves in certain games god knows how we hung on to city last season. fergie you talk about value for money£ this guys a steal buy him now before it's to late... or we shall drop further behind.

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Fergie has lost it, £15m for this guy is nothing, with him, we will win the league, without him, we will win NOTHING.
If Fergie and Phelan cant see that then they should not be in their job.
I know they are the experts, but 77,000 people can see that Dembele tore us to pieces on Saturday. So what the hell is Ferguson waiting for?
Is £15m "not value" Mr. Ferguson? It is all bs. Get your finger out Ferguson and go and sign him.
I am United thru and thru, season ticket holder since 1970, but I have no trust in our manager anymore. {Ed004's Note - *Sigh* this is about your tenth negative post about how fergie has lost it.}

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What if we signed him and then he got injured, would we not win the league then?

Fergie has not lost it, well done Ed for calling out the no name, probably not even a united fan, sounds like a glory hunter even if he is.

GDS

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29 Aug 2012 00:48:46
Ok everyone is all upset we havent signed dembele but one good game against us doesn't make him class, and no he doesn't do it every week, same with fellani, personally I think our midfield is good ando and cleverly work well, scholes still great and we have youn players too, I also see people talking about Martinez he is way overated, like 30 million is ridiculous, we will be fine this season and if our midfield is so bad why come so close last year?

Caolán.

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The season is 2 weeks old so how can you say they don't do it every week. I guess they only look like world beaters when they go up against our great midfield. It's okay to say an aspect of our team is weak, it doesn't make like United any less, it's just a fact

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Whilst I agree that a lot of posters on here have suddenly gone OTT with both Dembele and Fellani, your summing up of our midfield is almost laughable.
Clevs and Ando work well, pray tell me how many games have they played together for you to come to that conclusion.
Ando has had 5 years to prove his ability at OT but apart from his first season he has looked overweight, slow and unable to complete 90 mins, not to go on about how many games he has missed through injury. Funny how some posters say don't sign so and so because he is injury prone, yet want us to persevere with Ando who is injured every season.
Clevs - he is a talent, but missed most of last season with injury, hopefully he will avoid injury and show his class this season.
Scholes - still great, yes he is at keeping the ball, time has caught up with the maestro and he slows the game down. Look at the Everton game, 70% posession and we hardly created a chance as we went sideways and backwards, a situation that we repeated time and again last season. Scholes is one of the best United players of all time.
Young players - last season in Fergie's words, we had one of the best young midfielders in the world, yet he sat on the bench whilst we played Park and Rafael in midfield. Our biggest game of the season we had Giggs, Park and Scholes in midfield whilst a fully fit Cleverley didn't even make the bench. I am sure you will understand why I don't have the same faith that Fergie will resort to youth.
Like most people I think transfer fees are ridiculous and whether Martinez is over priced or not is open to debate. I don't believe he is 'way overated', he is a quality player who can play in defence or midfield.
You say that Dembele doesn't do it every week, but funny how he does it against us, you know against that midfield that you think is so good.

YouGottaLaugh

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Have they performed consistently in the past no.

Caolán.

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Just a quick correction, firstly, did you actually watch Anderson on Saturday, I was sat near the front at OT and he was breathless after 15 mins. 2 Stones overweight. Cleverley passed the ball sideways all the time. Scholes is 38, carrick playing in CB! It is a joke !
Secondly, if you look at the PL stats from last season, you'll see that Dembele was up there with D.Silva and Modric in terms of passing ability, he was also at the top in terms of tackling and shots per game. He's not a one game man, he;s the real deal.
If we dont sign him, then kiss goodbye to any trophies, as every team know that they can out muscle us in midfield and set pieces.

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In no other job can you be hideously out of shape and not deliver to your targets for 4-5 years running, but still have your bosses claiming 'you'll come good'.

Anderson's shelf-life ended 2years ago. If he hasn't made it yet, he never will, stop being so deluded.

RED_SKY

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29 Aug 2012 00:50:20
{Ed001's Note - a quick one for Supasub, I have been doing some research in the meantime, there is a number of reasons for measuring the wrist, from what I can find out. The main one being it is the simplest method for establishing frame size, which would be closely connected to your enquiry about growth.}

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29 Aug 2012 00:25:12
In terms of the Dembele thing, let's see where we are in 24 hours. Having a bid accepted and actually signing a player are two different things (Phil Jones to LFC, anyone?). Spurs, under Levy, have also had a habit of putting bids in to appease their fans when they know they aren't going to get a player.

I'm not saying he's not going to Spurs, I'm just saying - calm down.

Plus, can we cut out the melodrama? Not signing a player who loads of people on here were saying wasn't good enough anyway four weeks ago does not constitute the end of Manchester United Football Club, in just the same way that missing out on Beardsley and Ronaldinho and Shearer and Drogba and so on and so on didn't.

DarkLard08

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28 Aug 2012 21:01:21
Could any of the Eds clarify the Dembele situation if poss? Duncan Castles is reporting that he's having a medical at spurs whilst some journalists saying he's been in recent talks with SAF.

Cheers

Rudderpost {Ed004's Note - I havent heard anything just hoping we hijack the deal}

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28 Aug 2012 17:10:54
just to inform you, my mate's kid brother turns sixteen next year, and he's a hot prospect keeper in the academy. so, when you are all going mad about george dorrington in the years to come, you heard it here first.
nov00

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Good luck to him.

Caolán.

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28 Aug 2012 23:10:34
All these rumours about Rooney and the haters are at it already. Too many prawn eating , glory hunting couch potato's . Makes me embarrassed to be a true Manc red. One and a bit games where he's been off the boil and the clowns from across the country are calling for his head. The same fans probably who were saying don't buyRVP are now saying sack Rooney off for a few quid cause he's having one of his lulls . Yes partly self induced but he always comes back strong. SHANDY ! Gutted to read these posts today !

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28 Aug 2012 23:04:02
Club is a joke signed no CM again will struggle again this season after the worst showing of an english team in Europe by us last season. Fergie don't bother with the 2 years go now he has obviously had money to spend and he has wasted it again. How can anyone with eyes not see how poor we our across the middle of the park yet he goes out and bought wingers and strikers, what modern team plays with wingers anymore. Pains to say it but liverpol look a better prospect than us and they got sahib, spurs get Dembele chelsea get Hazard we get Powell wow what window again. looking fwd to january maybe we will get joe cole for £20 million

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What are Powell and kagawa?

Grow up, chill out and enjoy the season.

Oh and by the way, the transfer deadline is Friday, if you really want to be a little spoilt child do it on Saturday or preferably not at all.

GDS

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Go away lad

WizardOzmand

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This is a joke surely? If you feel that strongly, find another club. Constructive criticism is fine but you appear to have banged your head.

AJH

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Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, Cleverly, Kagawa,Anderson, Powell.Jones, Fletcher(on way back ) and several youngsters Tunnicliffe, Lingard,Petrucci and Cole. How many F_____G midfield players do you want ? and where was Dembelle in the first half at OT last week ? and where was he in the 5-0 thrashing at the Cottage last season?
Raffa

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I agree with you mate, we are a joke. Head in the sand by anyone who thinks our midfield is good enough to compete.
We've already seen that they have been outplayed against the mighty Everton and Fulham! God help us when we play Citeh, Chelsea and the rest!
Watch us struggle against Southampton as every team knows that if they go at us physically, then we are not capable to compete.
Say what you want to say, but that's the sad truth at the moment.
Hopefully SAF will wake up in time and do something about it, no more wingers please !!

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28 Aug 2012 22:54:29
Fulham confirm they have accepted a bid from tottenham of just over 15million im sorry but if dembele goes there for that price and fergie doesnt match the offer then i will be very dissappointed as he would be perfect for our midfield! Ive been very confident that we would address the midfield problem this summer but havent and to be honest im now starting to think maybe fergie is being to arrogant to buy a midfielder to try and prove to us all that we can win the league without spending in that area! He will soon notice what a bargain we have missed if he doesnt go in for him

Calvin

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28 Aug 2012 22:15:13
So many sad people on this site. Rooney is sub and all of a sudden everyone knows about a fallout on tour. How come no one had put this up before now ?? Rooney hasn't had much of a preseason and he always comes back few pound over. There is no way he'll be sold and buying kagawa and van Persie will actually make him better as it takes the pressure off him but also gives him competition. If united put him up for sale who would or could buy him ...... Firstly barca or real wouldn't be interested. Chelsea not interested either at the price united would want. PSG not suitable for him as bad league ac and inter have no money. So that means only city. And that's not going to happen at any price. So even if united wanted to sell at the price that they would want,they wouldn't have a buyer.

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