Manchester United Banter Archive August 29 2013

29 Aug 2013 22:55:12
Everton reject Baines and Fellaini bid according to press.
Then general random thoughts and speculation regarding other targets.
Don't understand why we have left it so late to bid for players when the world and his dog know we need to strengthen midfield.
Only other explanation to me about lack of midfield signings would be if Ed Woodward is Tom Cleverleys dad.

*argh*
Rant over. for now

Ed Woodward is Tom Cleverleys dad.

haha that is the funniest thing I have read in a while.
but mind u can be in problem if Sydney read this

29 Aug 2013 22:33:09
Just read kaka asked to leave Real Madrid. Anybody think he'd be a decent signing or is he too far past it? I suppose it would be down to what we could get him for and wages

29 Aug 2013 22:02:41
Just read Kaka wants to leave Madrid. Please don't do anything stupid Moyse, this isn't the marquee signing we are after (4 years ago maybe)!

Hope the Gunners go for him to appease their fans.

29 Aug 2013 21:12:15
Kaka asking to leave Madrid, would be a great signing at the right price

29 Aug 2013 23:21:31
Is this really what our club has resulted to?

Cheap and past it. The main point for the glazers is that cheap bit. Having said that I doubt they will go for him. A bit of hope that they don't as well.

29 Aug 2013 20:30:43
Read this somewhere couldn't help sharing, money just can't buy you class!

Chelsea signed Samuel Eto'o on a one year deal.

Eto'o in 2004 - "I would rather be selling groundnuts in my village than to play for a pathetic team like Chelsea. "

OOH THE IRONY

I hope one of the journalists asks him about that at the press conference

29 Aug 2013 19:21:31
Well i'm pretty pleased with the draw considering there was a chance of PSG, Dortmund and Napoli. We will top the group in my opinion by winning our 3 home games and getting a draw away to Donetsk and Sociedad and beating Bayer away also. This isn't over confidence on my part, just how I see it going.

29 Aug 2013 19:01:47
hi word on twitter is nani has sighned a new contract don't now how reliable anybody hear anything

29 Aug 2013 18:57:47
Man united 6th favourite to win the Champions league. that's the reality of where our club is

No that's the reality of the attitude of some of our fans, sad really.

Lol sorry mate, just re read ure message, I read it we will finish 6th :-S
6th favourites? Have we ever been 1st?

29 Aug 2013 20:14:31
First of rarely does the favourite win the Champions league as so much depends on the luck of the draw, and injuries and how each teams domestic season is going.

But in fairness we have not won the competition in several years, we went out at the first knock out stage last year and in the group stage the year before.

On top of that the most successful manager in our history has just retired and been replaced by a near novice when it comes to european football.

We know Bayern, Barca and Real Madrid are better than us. And there is a case to be made for teams like Juventus and Dortmund.

But there isn't a team in europe who we can't beat. We are more than able to beat any team put infront of us. So it doesn't really matter what odds the bookies have us at, its down to us to prove them wrong.

Besides you'd have to be loco to expect Moyes to win the Champions league in his first season with us. that's not to say he couldn't do it, but to expect him to is too much.

Unfortunately we're just investing for domestic cups! We're leacing CL for Big boys.

I know some people will just justify, but it's clear to any normal person that we've been declining year by year and still not doing anything to change it.

Some call it pessimism but right we lack of ambition.

The gunners will win the cl

29 Aug 2013 18:37:27
tough draw but I suppose there are no easy ones. but there are some positives with only 1 tough away trip travelwise. real have been absent from group stages for a long time and lever tend to be a bit hit and miss and are nowhere near as good as BM or BVB. we avoided better teams in pots 2 and 3. Looking forward to an improved campaign

29 Aug 2013 17:54:40
Has Ronaldo got something bigger
to do instead of attending UEFA
Meeting like agree personal terms
with Ed the duck at little chef on
M1.

Was old Ed Wood there?

Woodward will NOT be meeting Ronaldo 100%.
I still ain't let him out of my shed yet!

Chris,

Have you been over to the Gooner's page recently? Malaga's been sharing his insight again, it's quality. He's persistent I'll give him that.

29 Aug 2013 17:48:42
I was just wondering if we get out of group A as leaders will.we face Madrid or Juventus?
Just want to clear. we have a good group. let's now.get the midfielders Mr Moyes!

There is another draw for the next round

29 Aug 2013 16:58:55
Ok. Shalke, Basle and Plzen please, Mr Baldy UEFA man.

Wouldn't mind Celtic though - they're always an easy 3 points :) {Ed007's Note - F**k you funny man!}

Easy enough group then, Bond :) {Ed007's Note - It could have been worse Stevie, none of them will be looking forward to a trip to Celtic Park.}

I'm sure Celtic would have preferred our group too! Poor poor bhoys. {Ed007's Note - That's what they said last year Patzi.}

Do you know what?

For all I slag off Scottish football (and I did live there for 7 years in the 90s following Aberdeen up and down the country) there's not one of those teams in Celtic's group that will be looking forward to going to Parkhead.

No one looks forward to visiting Glasgow, but how much that has to do with visiting Parkhead I don't know;-) lol.

29 Aug 2013 16:52:17
the men upstairs are very clever have promised a lot this transfer window and left it to the end so that most fans are begging for hair do and baines and now they have already started about january we will look to see if they won't to move then very clever they obviously don't value the true supporter very highly we are supposed to be the biggest club in the world and we are being treated like we are persons very disapointed should have kept gill till after this transfer window shut to give moyes the start he needs

29 Aug 2013 16:06:12
007, I have never hid my thoughts on why RvP & Kagawa were signed last summer. I have always said that I believe they were signed as long-term replacements for Rooney who I believe the club were always looking to sell this summer. RvP replacing him as the main striker and Kagawa in the hole. Once Rooney was sold I thought they would use the cash to strengthen the central midfield and bring in Lewandowski. I think SAF has done his best to make this happen and I think Rooney was aware of what MU were doing and that is why he has been upset. I think Rooney wants to stay, but with an improved contract or he will sign for Chelsea. I do not think MU want to sell him to Chelsea, but would have done had we got the players that we wanted to sign. This is my opinions in a nutshell, if I am wrong then so be it, but I do not believe I am wrong. {Ed007's Note - None of it has happened though, that's the difference. Plus my point was that you have constantly blamed Rooney for all Utd's ills all summer and now it looks like he will be staying you are making it out he is forcing Kagawa toward the exit door. You are entitled to your opinion but don't try and pass it off as fact.}

Typical anti Rooney post from you Sydney.
Get over it, he wants to stay and Fergie's bully boy tactics didn't work.

Sydney its my opinion that Rooney wants to leave united and I don't envisage a new contract being offered that is close to his current terms. Obviously this may change if things can be settled and his performances warrant it. That said I don't think his performance against Chelsea was as great as was made out. Their were times I wondered if he was playing poor balls on purpose or was just rusty. That said with eto signing for Chelsea it would appear options are limited for him to move this transfer window as I can't see him going to arsenal

Well said mr bond
ngiak is proud of you
the facts so called
from certain sources
keep getting twisted when wrong
as certified by certain posters like the above named
makes it all the more interesting to ngiak
gan

Syd
Bond hit the nail on the head, none of it has happened .
It's the same with your 2 year old evra theory.
There is always an excuse why it never happened but at the end of the day just accept you where wrong

My question is, how committed will Wayne continue to be to us, once he sees the first contract offer on the table?

Should be interesting.

Simmo, let's see how much he wants to stay when the club give their first contract offer.

Hmmmm, it's 6 of 1 half dozen the other. Sydney is right that all evidence pointed to Rooney being pushed out the door by SAF. But wrong (IMO) about RVP and Kagawa. If you cast your minds back, we were debating that it was apparent Rooney was being earmarked for midfield to replace Scholes. Lewandowski was a genuine target too, and has said recently he turned down an approach from united.
Moyes met Kagawas Representatives on Tues morning after the Chelsea game although I've forgotten the source and its reliability but you can google it maybe. According to the report Kagawa was pleased with how the meeting went, and left with assurances to his integral part in our new season. He was Jet lagged for Swansea, and merely benched for Chelsea's very tactically minded, Cat and mouse, pain in the arse game. I understood the thinking in bringing Giggs on instead, but it didn't come off. Giggs has been a pure plague for Chelsea recently. As had the injured little pea.

This man is always against Rooney!
Rooney has given so much for us. He has won us lots of matches, scored lot of goals, won us many trophies . and yet u only see his weight, wages, etc. i.e. his dark side only. Grow up man.! what kind of supporter u are if u are against your own player. I mean C'monnn u surely had enjoyed his goals he scored all time.

Does any of that matter now?

29 Aug 2013 16:03:48
Does anyone know why Dortmund are in pot 3? seems unfair as they were runners up, whilst Porto and Benfica are in pot 1, likely to get favourable draws.

The seedings are based upon your form the competition for the last 5 years. Not the current squad you have. Seems unfair but it's the way it's done. same Arsenal being top seeds.

Ummm. Wot if they get a Dortmund or city, that's not favourable wouldn't u say bud? It all works on co-efficients over 5 years

Seedings are based upon historical performance which is why Arsenal are so high. Dortmund have little history. {Ed007's Note - Celtic have dropped a pot since last year when we qualified from the groups. I thought that was a little strange, we didn't even stand still as such.}

Chris, I'm sure they would rather face Dortmund and city than Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern.

29 Aug 2013 14:59:08
I understand Moyes wanting to put out a SAFE team in the opening games as his games will be under tight scrutiny from media, pundits and fans alike.

But will he ever put out an ambitious line up just wanting to attack and score goals?

Even during his time at Everton we saw that once he got his starting 11 sorted he very rarely made changes to it bar injuries. And quite frankly Everton were far from being a great attacking side.

I am not saying he won't but at this moment we don't know whether he will or he won't.

Everton have one of the smallest squads in the league, thin on quality, so he had to handle team selection very carefully.
Also in a game where Chelsea put out no strikers, Moyes put out 3 from the start.
I agree that there are aspects of his team selection and tactics that could be changed (for example I'd like to see shinji more, or at all) but you can't call him out for not putting out an attacking team, and you can't compare what he has at has disposal now compared to last year

Well I guess all we can do is wait and see then. I'd like to think any half decent manager would have enough nous to realise that as manager of Manchester United you can't just defend well, but again that is just an assumption.

I do believe Moyes is playing safe for the 1st few games, hopefully he starts to mix it up when we get a decent run.

One huge difference between us and Everton is the size of our squad, you can't get away with playing the same team each week at United.

He never had the depth at Everton that he has at United. Why people so quick to make snap judgements after 2 games!

I could have swore we knocked 4 in against Swansea.

29 Aug 2013 14:38:14
Does anyone really believe Chelsea were or are really serious about signing Rooney?
If Chelsea/Moron-io had any intention other than trying to upset the balance of the United team then they would have offered a sensible opening bid of £40 million. Typical Moron-io playing his mind games.
What a bore this transfer window has been so far, other than Tottenham who have money burning a hole in their pocket.
I probably feel the same as all that Fellani and Baines may not what we had all be hoping for, if Baines was 2 seasons younger then I would be really pleased about him as an addition and as for Fellani he seems to fade in and out of games and just doesn't look like a United player, perhaps a short back and sides maybe the answer.
Fingers crossed we still sign a cracker.

29 Aug 2013 14:10:28
Okay, let's see if we can change the mood a little bit.

I think its pretty clear that Ed the Egg head knows sod all about dealing with players. So we need a Director of Football imo.

I'd also like us to have someone like Zidane, although a little less pushy, if we make an approach for a player and we're allowed to talk to them, then whoever was in the role could tell them a bit about our great club. - actually let's get 2 of these guys.

So, who would you all have? and why?

I'll start it off;

Director of Football:
I'd like someone who's been around the block a bit, knows how to pull of some transfers and has worked with some big clubs. i'd love to have Baldini or super Agent Jorge Mendez.

I also thought about having ex managers, or managers approaching the end of their careers, I IMAGINE that someone like Marcelo Lippi or Fabio Capello would be very good in that role.

I think I would go with Jorge Mendez though.


Transfer Ambassador/spokesman (1):
Little explanation needed on this, he's a superstar and role model the world over, David Beckham.

Transfer Ambassador/spokesman (2):
secondly, I think it would have to be the best players to ever grace a Crystal Palace fan's face - Eric Cantona. - I would imagine he would have something to say about Seagulls.

I would have gone for Giggs, Keane, Neville or Scholes but personally I don't think they have the right attitude for it. And I think Cantona and Beckham would be much better at it.

So that would be my little transfer dealing dream team; Jorge Mendez, David Beckham & Eric Cantona.

What would yours be?

King Eric and Becks as the ambassadors along with Roman's wallet as director of football.

Very good idea IMO, what about SAF in there as well?

Anything has got to be better than this shower of sh!te, they haven't pulled off any decent transfers in years, I seem to recall that SAF had to call AW himself to sort out the RVP deal.

I agree with some of the posters on here that Levy & Co are a special bunch when it comes to transfers

An alternative to Mendez would be pini zhavi (spelling).

Beckham, definitely as he has experience of several top teams (utd, Real Madrid, ac Milan and the nouveau riche psg).

I would also go for Jaap Stam or Ruud van nistelroy. Both also played for big clubs other than utd and are on record as saying what a great club it was despite both being moved on when they would rather have stayed.

I'm not sure of this but isn't Sir Alex the director of football already?

Director of football has to be daniel levi. he's the most important cog in their machine imo

Mine would be very similar moon, I would want someone who knows the club and a past player who has ties all around the world so Mendez and Beckham stay but I would have Scholes instead of Cantona.
Scholes is very well respected all around and has a humble attitude which only creates an affinity with others. I have never heard of Scholes receiving bad press (other then for his occasional bad tackle :P).
Although I think having this kind of structure within the club can be beneficial but can also have very negative effects.

Ive been posting the same
ever since SAF retired and
yes Beckham and Cantona
would be the top choices
to help sell the club and
court new signings. ed the
duck hasn't got a clue

1redarmy, aha I wouldn't mind the odd Billion to spend.

EdtheRed,

when you've got Levys business brain and Baldini's negotation skills then you've got one hell of a team.

I feel like our transfer team hasn't progressed at all over the past 10 years. yeah, we've made some great signings but when you compare our transfers to RM, Barca, Bayern, etc. We're not really on the same level.

Who would you go for?

29 Aug 2013 13:58:58
Question for the season ticket holders on here, where is everyone sat this year? This isn't for vanity purely for curiosity as I've been wondering if anyone on the site sits near me

N/Equad mate

Im sat stretfird end w10 NN 158

K Stand mate.

K stand

Ah right I'm in the NE quad mick

29 Aug 2013 13:40:57
If we get these 2 off Everton why could we not have done it sooner? imo moyes had this transfer in his thoughts from day 1! maybe he plans 2 use Fabio as cover for Rafael and Jones as cb/cm hopefully we can stay in touch in the prem m cl then in January when fab/ozil/modric are not playing regularly try for them then! no excuses and if we don't the glaciers really have the purse strings tightened!

29 Aug 2013 13:15:15
When Moyes took over did he not say there was no transfer budget so there it is guys there is no transfer budget we will continue to underbid for players amounts that won't be accepted and the mantra will be we won the league last year the squad is good enough. I don't necessarily want the wig or baines and while the wig will add a bit of steel in the middle he won't improve us. With all the additions to the Bayern side surely there are a few players ripe for picking but no we go for a couple of players from a mid table side. This is not the united way its uncle malcs way and we are in real danger of becoming a spent force like that anfield lot. Our midfield has been ropey enough for the last couple of years and still its not fixed. I am beginning to think Kloot is right on this one guys. All our nearest competitors have strengthened and we have done nothing apart from pocket money from sponsorship and the summer tour

Im not giving up hope yet, but.

If you were to go full tinfoil hat, youd say that.

- employ a manager who idolises SAF, would have no issue with working under him and is also used to spending next to nothing

- have SAF stick around to appease the fans if/when they start calling for his head if things go bad

- make derisory bids for players that have little chance of going through, so it looks like we are trying

Then you could make a solid case for it. i'm not giving up hope, surely, SURELY the Glazers know the damage that would be done if they employed someone, set him up to potentially fail, and had to sack him, immediately after losing the world's best manager?

RED_SKY

29 Aug 2013 13:00:02
Don't know about everyone else, but I'll be incredibly underwhelmed if the only signings we make are Baines and Fellaini. Last thing we need are mediocre signings. Why not spend the money on a decent midfielder?

How is it mediocre?! Baines statistically is the best left back in Europe and Fellaini is in the top 3 defensive, powerful midfielders in the League. And he scores goals. I admit that he ought to have a haircut but we will be much better off with those two than without them.

If you think Fellaini isn't 'decent' then you have clearly never seen him play.

KP7

It's pathetic, I can't even see Fellaini and Baines coming in now and even if they do I will be gutted.
I think the whole transfer window had been like a circus from uniteds point of view.
I wake up every morning and turn on a website and have done for the past 2 months and the same old sh*t comes out of David Moyes mouth. "Man United are always interested in the best players"
Lets face it we can all say it, we want action not words.

I agree with you on this one, baines maybe an improvement on evra but i'd go as far to say not a massive one, as for fellaini yes he'd improve our midfield but is he the answer against the likes of bayern munich, borussia dortmund, real madrid, barcelona or even athletico madrid, manchester city or chelsea.before anyone goes our midfield played reasonably well against chelsea they'll be different proposition at their place.we need top quality and if we cannot get the right players in this window or the next give our youth a chance even if it means a period of transition, we could benefit in the long run.

We struggle against teams who can over-run us in midfield, even effing small EPL teams like WBA cause us problem there. Will Fellaini be a solution? You're damn straight, he'd improve us there. He's no Yaya, but he's no Carrick either - the man is a brick outhouse with good cardio, good in the air, and he has that nasty streak we have lacked for a very long time. If we only sign Fellaini, its a bad window, but signing him in general would give our CM a much-needed bit of muscle.

RED_SKY

29 Aug 2013 12:47:37
anniewithoutmakeup.you have been extremely quiet after making all these bold statements over the past week about buying players.
Any news or any updates from your source as to why these massive signings haven't happened?

29 Aug 2013 12:35:02
Just a thought, but what if Fellaini is being signed to play further forward?

Rooney, Fellaini, Kagawa all behind RVP.

It'll be good to have some physicality going forward, although I'm not sure.

If Rooney and Kags are both injured at the same time at least Fellaini could do an adequate job.

It would be diabolical and I would be outraged. We are MU, not Stoke City.

I actually really rate Fellaini, remember what he did to us last season?

If Fellani is signed, I would imagine he would play alongside Carrick in a 4231 formation.

I can't see Fellani playing further forward at the same time as Rooney and or Kagawa as he would play in the no.10 position which is where both Rooney and Kagawa want to play.

That is of course not to say it couldn't happen. Different teams / formations are required depending on the opposition. It is a squad game after all.

That will not happen, Fellaini even says himself that he likes to play as a more defensive minded central midfielder. No way will he play as a forward. If he does then I will personally orchestrate the 'Moyes out' chants.

I would not be surprised one bit to see Rooney leave and Fellaini replacing him tbh Syd.

The transfer activity isn't bothering me to much to be honest.

I just want to know why we're failing in the transfer market.

It's a part of his game that is affective so I would expect him to play some games further forward.

If we are in need of a goal then of course he will stay further up the field. SAF done it with Smalling a few times, but I expect he will partner Carrick in midfield.

29 Aug 2013 12:20:15
Starting to get the feeling that Felaini will be are only addition not a great deal of time left in the window, especially with Ozil saying he wants to stay and fight for his place!

Any thoughts?

SJt

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that something might happen on the ozil front

29 Aug 2013 12:11:32
. I think one or two moves may have been dependent on what happens with Rooney and it seems he will just wind his contract down preventing us from bringing in new faces.
Sydney!
I think Kagawa was under the impression Rooney was leaving this summer which would have freed up the position in which he plays, but if Rooney is staying then that may mean Kagawa wanting to return to Germany.
Sydney!

Jesus syd is everything Rooney fault, I hate to think what he could be responsible for by the end of the transfer window

Sorry Syd but i'm not sure how you've arrived at that conclusion either?

Does not matter what would happen to Rooney, it seems to me that there are some difficulties to tie up some deals here.

And, as always, people will try to find someone to blame for this. We'll just get Fellaini.

This season could be the starting point from DM, but we just want to compete for the BPL and leave the CL for the "Big boys"

It's not 'Rooney's fault' per se, but without a doubt our buys would have been dependent on what happens with Rooney. You would be foolish to think otherwise. Not just Rooney, but players like Nani, Anderson and Evra too. MU will not keep adding players to the squad, players will need to leave first. Common sense. I have no problem with Rooney staying put as long as we do not see a repeat of last season. We need Rooney to play well if we are going to win title number 21.

Well Gav, you agreed with my first point the other week. By players leaving I was talking about the likes of Rooney. And do you seriously believe Klopp would be making so much of a fuss if Kagawa was not interested in moving back to Dortmund? Kagawa said he wanted to stay and make a go of it, but now Rooney is looking like staying, perhaps Kagawa will be open to a move back to Germany. I am not saying Kags will leave, but he wants to play and Rooney is blocking him.

Syd

I can't remember thinking Kagawa was under the impression Rooney was going, that hadn't ocurred to me tbh.

Ahh Syd,

So Shinji Kagawa can't try and out perform Wayne and make the Number 10 place his own, decides to go all moist, alert the Germans and off he goes.

Either you are talking bobbins or if its by any chance true, Shinji deserves to get the boot. Done nothing of note with United and wants the sky.

By the way I think what you are saying is incorrect, Shinji wants to stay and prove his mettle. Reserve psychology, you gave Wayne the stick for exactly the same analogy mate.

Deeps.

Syd
We have bid for fabergas, fellaini and Baines with out selling Rooney or Anderson or evra .
So do you think we will make an improved offer for fellaini and Baines only if we can suddenly get a buyer for evra and Anderson

Gav, Deeps, I think most MU players expected Rooney to be sold this summer like the majority of us. I think Kags thought this season will be his season. He hasn't hid the fact that he is a number ten and wants to play as a number ten at MU. That is difficult with Rooney playing in that position. That's all I'm saying.

We are low on midfielders so Anderson will not effect a Fellaini purchase. If we sign Baines I believe we will sell Evra. It's not out of the question that he will stay one more year, but I would think it's more likely he will be sold if Baines is signed. I think if we had bought Cesc, then we would have sold Rooney to Chelsea yes. We will not buy Oezil and keep Rooney.

Syd
how long have you been going on about evra leaving and yet our vice captain is still at the club he has big in the dressing room and has been a good servant if he was leaving this summer a deal would of been done early that was right for both sides he wouldn't just be flogged as soon as we got a replacement.
I don't think evra leaving this summer is on the cards .
Moyes Said Rooney is not for sale and has been true to his word .
Why can't you accept you got it wrong?
Ps I think fabergas would of played cm

29 Aug 2013 12:07:54
Last year Baines created 116 chances in 3, 420 mins.

That's a chance every 30 mins or so.

That's the 3rd best in Europe and the best in England.

a huge 97 GOAL scoring chances created, which is the best in Europe.

Would improve our team immensely.

And Evra created about 100 chances. for the opposition ;)

29 Aug 2013 11:44:31
If Arsenals £25 million bid for Di Maria is accepted then surely we have to match it don't we? He is just what we need. He can play left or right and is the perfect replacement for Nani if he does eventually go (which I'm not sure he will).

I don't like him mate, far to pansy for this league IMO but is a step up from our wingers though.

He is the best of an available average bunch. And I was very impressed when he played against us in the CL - he was the best player on the pitch before he went off injured (I think).

I agree, Fresh.

But stop calling me Shirley.

29 Aug 2013 11:43:37
If we let Spurs sign Hernandez for £15 million then we have seriously lost the plot and are getting a lot weaker. He is one of the best players I have ever known to come off the bench and score - he quite simply has to stay. As for Kagawa, I haven't heard that he is leaving and I don't think that he will. He will play on either the left or right hand side of the attack when he is fully fit - the only problem at the moment is that he is not fully fit. Relax guys.

Both Hernandez and Kagawa haven't featured for MU yet so rumours will start to circulate. Also most media sources believe Rooney will stay now and he is in competition with these players for playing time so that is another reason why these rumours are circulating. They maybe just rumours at this stage, but you can understand why the rumours will circulate as these players will get less playing time with Rooney staying put. If he stays put.

It ain't going to happen. we just can't sell a player like him. He's a natural Poacher and 15mil is nothing compare to his quality.

29 Aug 2013 11:38:37
If the rumours are true and eriksen from Ajax is going to spurs for 9m why don't we try and snap him up?

29 Aug 2013 10:59:17
I don't get all the talk about baines as we have moved on and are now looking at getting coentroa for left back. Personally I think he would be a better signing if we do want to improve the left back position, which I don't think we should, evra is not as bad as everybody makes out. I think the signings we will make are going to be ozil or di maria and erikson as he Is available and at the price being quoted a good bit of buitvess. In my opinion a much better way to spend the money that everton would want for baines and sideshow bob
dannyc

Why all the hate for Baines on here? Before we were properly linked to him everyone wanted him and now everyone says he is a waste of money. Who has told you we have moved on from Baines to Coentrao? I thought Spurs were front runners for Coentrao.

If we got a top left back like baines you would see how much better than evra we could have in that position.

Baines reminds me of Irwin and people would be saying he isn't United quality if he was about in todays age and we went in for him, he was class great in deadball situations and was great at getting up and down the pitch, if we do get him I reckon he will be a good signing.

29 Aug 2013 10:11:05
Thought I'd share this lads. Make all us smile in this rubbish transfer window. Taken from the Everton page. Very deluded.


29 Aug 2013 09:51:55
I read kagawa could be leaving utd I take him an 10 mil for the wig think it would be a good move for us an he a good creative midfield what you think blue? From blue beard


Haha!

29 Aug 2013 12:17:57
you get that on our page every team has some deluded fans, liverpool fans saying buy isco, arsenal fans thinking they could actually get ozil, united fans who think cleverley is a better player than felli hey it happens! fair few deluded on here too same as everywhere but we still have the kopites to laugh at :)

Fellaini is much better than cleverly. That we do agree on. However, Kagawa & money? Kagawa can be world class, I'm just hoping Moyes fancies him & he gets game time.

Yes that tickled me too.
They also think they are getting mata and erikson lol. Oh and quite a few of them think Baines is worth £30m. All classics :-D

29 Aug 2013 09:53:35
i really don't think that there will be any world class additions this window, generally a big transfer takes a good few weeks to get through, all the w/c players we have targeted are either not realistic or have moved on, Lamela is a dissapointment as we desperately need a left sided player, we have struggled to attract or gone in for players who we have no chance of signing, I fear for us if the unthinkable happens this season and we lose our champ league status.

Mick, it is possible we have been negotiating a deal for someone for the past few weeks which has gone unnoticed by the media. Hopefully that is the case, but we would never know unless 002 was still on this page keeping us updated. I think one or two moves may have been dependent on what happens with Rooney and it seems he will just wind his contract down preventing us from bringing in new faces. This is okay as long as he plays well this season, but if he falls back into a rut again, then what? We have missed out on the chance to strengthen because the club cannot fund his salary as well as others.

I don't think Rooney is stopping us Syd, I think things are going on behind the scenes but the problem has been that players like Fabregas and probably now Oezil don't want to leave their clubs.

I wouldn't have taken that chance Syd I would have sold him this summer. Hawked him around everywhere and got rid. I am not convinced the Monday's ok performance will even be repeated regularly enough to start never mind command his wage. I don't really care about the transfer request story or the likes like you I believe we have seen the best of him and he can be replaced no end in the number 10 role. Pity It has taken so long as there is now a shortening list as who is available to replace him.

Fresh, actions speak louder than words and Oezil's people have been contacting clubs around Europe to get him a move. So he does want a move, but for obvious reason he isn't going to go public with it. IMO we would only have signed Oezil to replace Rooney in the squad. We are not going to spend more than £40m/£50m net so players leaving was always going to determine who comes in.

Jono, problem for MU is only Chelsea was an option. If he was willing to go to PSG then he would be eating escargot with Garlic bread as we speak. It's difficult to sell to a rival, especially when we haven't strengthened ourselves. I don't think Jose's mouth helped him either.

They didn't sell Rooney because they couldn't bring anyone to replace him. The truth is that we're struggling to get the players we want.

People will say to wait until the 2nd of September, but the picture here is that we fail all the main targets this season.

Nick86, exactly. In a perfect world for MU, Rooney would be in France and we would have Cesc, Fellaini & Baines settling into the squad right now. We couldn't even contemplate selling Rooney without strengthening. {Ed007's Note - You do know Jack The Ripper has never been found Syd? Him and Rooney have the same taste in women after all and you have blamed him for everything else, so why not?}

007, I haven't blamed Rooney for anything. All I am saying is we are not going to spend £80m without flogging him and other players in the squad. Is that not true? People think we are going to bring in Oezil, Fellaini, Baines etc, well that isn't going to happen unless Rooney is sold. We are not going to spend a fortune whilst Rooney is still a MU player. {Ed007's Note - On another thread today you have blamed him for Kagawa not being in the team and him wanting to move back to Germany. Surely that is either the manager's or Kagawa's form fault and not Rooney's?

"I think Kagawa was under the impression Rooney was leaving this summer which would have freed up the position in which he plays, but if Rooney is staying then that may mean Kagawa wanting to return to Germany.
Sydney!"

So you are saying Kagawa was signed on the understanding that he would be happy to sit on the bench (or in the stand) as Rooney's understudy for a year and would replace him? Nobody knew what was going to happen with Rooney so surely Utd wouldn't buy a player to replace Rooney a year down the line when other positions of the team have been screaming out for new faces? That all seems a bit far-fetched to me Syd. Maybe Utd could ask Rooney to reimburse the wages they have paid to Kagawa, how dare he still be a Utd player to wreck this (your) masterplan!}

29 Aug 2013 09:52:30
i think kagawa might get his head turned by this #freeshinji thing on twitter by bvb fans but honestly who would blame him when he has to sit on the bench and watch giggs get some game time while he gets none, I really had my hopes high that this will be his season

I think Kagawa was under the impression Rooney was leaving this summer which would have freed up the position in which he plays, but if Rooney is staying then that may mean Kagawa wanting to return to Germany. Perhaps we could try and get Gundogan in return like Red Man said, but it's possible we could lose Kagawa without anyone replacing him just because Rooney is staying put. Again this is fine as long as Rooney is playing well.

It's not fine Syd.

We will have 2 more years of Rooney max and even then we cannot guarantee his commitment. Kags on the other hand should be central to our plans and will get 4+ years from him on far less wages, less trouble and far more effort.

As one of Kagawa's biggest supporters and Rooney's critics I am surprised you would be ok with this mate.

Jono, I am not okay with it, but it is what it is mate. I think in an ideal world MU would have sold him abroad and we would have brought in 1-2 players to compensate for losing Rooney, but only Chelsea was an option for Rooney as he didn't want to leave England. MU were never going to sell to Chelsea unless we had brought in the players we wanted and we haven't been able to like Mike Phelan has said. It looks like to me that MU will be stuck with Rooney and he will wind down his contract. I cannot see us giving him an improved contract like he would undoubtedly want so will he behave himself all through the season? My worries is that he will run down his deal repeating last season's rut, whilst stopping us from buying the players we need to strengthen our team. Fingers crossed he will play well next season, but either way he is preventing us from doing what we want to do.

29 Aug 2013 09:30:25
I really don't think we should moan about new sponsorship deals. Again, we don't know what transfer activity is happening behind the scenes. Personally I think this new £35 million bid will be accepted by Everton and we will have signed one of the worlds top three left backs and also one of the League's best central midfielders who is perfect for solving our lack of presence in the middle. I know the job is not totally done and we would of liked an attacker, but if Ronaldo is true to his word then he could be the attacker that we wait to sign next year - and then there is also Gundogan who will be available next year. At least two of our weaknesses will be addressed (left back better addressed than midfield).

Mr. Fresh

Behind the scenes? It's clear that we're finding difficulties to get our targets.

The sponsorship deals are important but right now, we should've sign the so called 'Quality players' we're always after.

Quality player don't easily take only 2-3 days be negotiate. Only Fellaini or Baines will come.

29 Aug 2013 08:59:10
So. Do you think if we are linked
we are linked with every player
on the planet, will we sign anyone?
Or would management say we tried
but they were either
Too expensive
Too old
Too young
Too tall
Too small
Too direct
Too creative
Too many tricks and flicks

Or just not the type of player DM likes?

It'll be just the type of player moyes likes, same as when he was at Everton.

29 Aug 2013 08:44:34
I get sick of people saying Moyes hasn't got the pulling factor to get the top players in the world. Sir Alex who is highly regarded all around the world in football didn't sign that many world stars. He was manager for 26 years, so that's at least 25 summers he had to sign world class players, so can you name me the top world class star he signed in every window over the last 25 years?

No you can't as he didn't. We have very rarely signed a star player who is ranked amoung the best in the world when we sign them. RvN, Veron and RvP are the only ones who spring to mind. Yes we spent a lot of money on players like Rio and Rooney but neither were regarded as one of the best players in the world in thier position at the time we signed them. They were young english players with potential.

In the last 25 years our transfer policy has been to sign the best players in the Premier league and players with potential from other leagues. We've never gone out and spent a fortune on top players in other leagues with the exceptions of Veron and RvN. We buy players from other leagues on the cheap who have potential then we make them into top players like Vidic, Ronaldo and Evra, bought for a combined cost of 24m but worth at their peak a combined cost of 130m+.

But my point is we can't blame Moyes any more than we can blame Sir Alex for the lack of top stars bought by the club. Its just not the way we've done things EVER.

So if we sign Fellaini and Baines then we wilk have signed two of tge top players in the Premier league last year, and if we sign anyone else from outside the league then it will likely be someone with potential rather than currently world class.

I didn't see anyone step in to buy Fellaini when he had a clause in his contract which says a lot. If you look at his attributes I do not believe he is a Manchester United type player. I listed my thoughts on him previously but Fellaini as the only answer to our midfield is a very poor transfer window and I will laugh if the club come out and say what a great signing. Fellaini alone as a signing would tell me my thoughts on the limitation of our owners ambitions were correct

Fellaini, Baines & RONALDO will be here before the deadline.

I agree with everything your saying shappy. Altho he may have stalled alil last season do you not think eriksen would be a good signing at the 9million be touted? Would bring something extra to us minimising the risk when you think we payed 7mill for bebe. Maybe were going in another direction. About baines i'd like him but other than last summer we never spent big money on players over 26 which makes me wonder think we will prob give up on baines.

Annie

I hope you are right, Fellaini is decent but not the whole answer but I could cope with him if Ronaldo arrived. Would prefer Fabregas and Ronaldo as I said many weeks ago mind you.

Redman, where were your fears of our owner's limitations, pre-Glazer?

As Shappy says, it's not a new phenomenon. I posted before that we've never been able to attract the Zidane's, the Ronaldinho's, the 'fat Ronaldo's, the Del Piero's etc etc etc.

I think you and others on here, look at our previous transfer dealings through sepia-tinted glasses.

Fellaini may not be the sexy signing that a lot were hoping for, but he just happens to be the big, strong, influential midfield presence, that everyone on here to a man, has been crying out for, over the last few seasons.

I think he'll do a lot better than many on here think.

Its funny Red Man as many on here use the same excuse about big clubs and Cabaye yet Arsenal have bid and PSG are monitoring. Fellaini only has us as an option and we could havehad him with no questions for 23m just a couple of weeks ago but tight purse strings and no doubt other reasons have us a few days from finishing this window and nowhere nearer boosting our CM options.

As you say what is the clubs ambition? As it cannot be to compete in CL that's for sure!

29 Aug 2013 11:46:29
Well there's two reasons why no one moved for Fellaini when he had his buy out clause, one because they didn't think he was worth 24m and to be honest I would agree with them. And two because they didn't have a need for a player of his type. Which I think is also true.

We do need a player like Fellaini, personally I think there were better options available. But I can understand why Moyes who knows Fellaini better than most would prefer him over some other options.

I agree that we need more than Fellaini and will be disapointed if he is our only signing.

But when we consider all the people who use the site none of us can completely agree on who or what type of players we need.

It's all opinion. Maybe we just need to trust in the management until they prove they aren't upto it via results.

StevieK

Pre Glazer we bought the best players and the core we still have now. SAF bought top players like Rio but now we have been burdened with debt. This window is vital and I wait to see their ambition

29 Aug 2013 13:20:39
Red Dev, i'm not a fan of Eriksen. I don't think anyone knows where his best position is. He doesn't do the work needed to play in midfield, his talent seems wasted out wide but then you play him as a no.10 and he drifts in and out of games and disapears for large spells of the game.

So i'm not sure what would be the point of signing him.

29 Aug 2013 08:40:00
I would expect the United media team to monitor popular sites like this one as they would twitter, etc to gauge the mood of the fans and feed that back to the PR team or whoever. If that is the case here is some feedback.
Either tell us you are signing nobody or give us some sort of message that deals are close to completion. We don't need names or costs just something. The current dithering display in the market has fans very anxious and it puts the new senior management across in a poor light showing little ambition or any display of competence. In simple terms you look like a bunch of muppets at the moment. Your own rival management teams must be laughing at you behind the scenes and you need to up your game!

29 Aug 2013 08:00:25
I guess I was hoping we would see something announced yesterday but still nothing.

I see a lot of ranting and raving and blaming the manager(dithering Dave) which is one of silliest things I have read on this site and disrespectful if you ask me or the new CEO, but has anyone actually stopped to think that the players we want are just not available either due to the players or the clubs unwilling to sell.

Reading the Ozil's and Di Maria's statements is quite interesting since we all read the same stuff, where it is reported we are interested then reported he was offered and we are not interested and finally they come out and say they do not want to move.

Whether we are interested or not and how hard we tried is anyone's guess but the players must be available and willing to come to get a deal done.

I do understand people will say look at Spurs or other teams and what they are buying, but then again each team has specific urgent needs and they all come with lots of considerations.

Anyway Let's hope we see all get some positive news on the transfer front and look forward to the game this weekend.

BTW I am sticking to my prediction that Spurs will finish ahead of Chelsea and Arsenal and City are the team to beat for the Title.

Shahram

If Spuds gel they could push for third easily and with a bit of luck a title push and do that while playing good football. If we spend sweet FA and end up out the race early the pressure will be on Moyes as the same team won it last year.

I know we all as expert anaylisits know it wasn't as easy as it looks but those three behind us have strengthened and we have looked a bit lost transfer wise. I understand players we want are not available but Chelsea, Spurs etc are not trying for those players and instead are sweeping the market for top players not in the world class mould yet and still shelling out 32m and 30m with about a week of negotiation.

Moyes cannot go into the season with no CMer signing as he has already stated that area is 'light' aka weak. That doesn't bode well for the players there now if he thinks that yet has basically had to go with them as the targets we went for are unattainable and we either didn't have a plan B or they had gone by the time we minced about with plan A.

I will be very concerned if we don't sign anyone and Fellaini on his own doesn't inspire much either.

29 Aug 2013 02:29:59
United seem to be spending more time negotiating sponsorship deals than trying to negotiate transfers these days. No point having all that money if not prepared to stick our necks out in the transfer market.

29 Aug 2013 00:38:25
The reason you haven't signed anyone yet is moyes is known as dithering davie for a reason, he was the same at Preston as well as at Everton.
The offers made for Fellaini & Baines are well short of our valuation and your club know it.
Baines hss not asked to leave Everton btw and Fellaini wants to go to Chelsea not united.
On a side note I honestly think the United job is to big for moyes.
As you will all realise.

Ah, I do love a bitter post.

And martinez will take you right into the championship this year. Tough year on the cards Mr Blue Sky, I suggest you worry about your own team.

And the Everton job is too big for Martinez, I think he's a very over rated manager yes winning the fa cup was a great achievement, but for all this great football he plays he took Wigan to a highest finish of 15th

29 Aug 2013 04:22:37
truth is moyes has always been like this bringing in players late on if not at all take last january for instance we only signed young john stones granted he is great but still moyes fell short on who we needed at the time, moyes is not good enough to manage united and tbh I've never liked him always hated his negativity yes he did well on a limited budget blah blah blah he wasted so much money on yakubu, beattie, johnson and bilyaletdinov so he wasnt perfect with his signings and to mrbluesky or whatever baines doesn't want to go he clearly loves it here, fellaini on the other hand is a different story I dunno where he will go but I know he doesn't have a prefered destination even though there is so many belgian lads at chelsea he is closest with mirallas and kompany and neither play for chelsea, I don't care where fellaini goes tbh all the best to him, martinez had his best defender (alcaraz) out injured most of last season and had much less money than moyes did plus he had injuries to watson and kone at times so he was going to struggle last season the other seasons were different he had no goalscorer and no decent keeper (al habsi is seriously overrated), I like martinez and wanted him from the start of all this and his style of football may not of worked at wigan in terms of success but he has better players at everton, moyes will fail and I hope he does, I've always liked united not just for the kopite arguments and the old saying 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' but because your club had class and a great manager and the club was run to perfection but reality is that has changed and moyes will not play attractive football he will not buy a huge name and he will not win any major trophy in his short time at united, I want moyes to fail not united but if united failing means moyes failing then so be it

Not bitter, just disappointed in the way united are conducting business with us.
No class, no respect from United

Maybe we should buy Kone off you? He's awesome! I think you should worry about your own management. In Martinez you have a polished turd. By that I mean you have a manager with a good philosophy, a Swansea, barcelona type passing game. Yet you're no Swansea & certainly no Barcelona. You'll struggle this year. Pass, pass, pass, pass. I say RM is the one out of his depth.

29 Aug 2013 10:41:51
oooooo they are really bringing it out now eh and youse call us bitter maybe we should buy cleverley off you he's aweseome! we are no swansea so swansea are better than us? where were swansea 4 years ago? watch moyes this year hoof hoof hoof the ball up the pitch and no title

29 Aug 2013 00:11:20
Two points I wanna make as early as the first week in July I got slated and berated for saying that moyes didn't have the name or pulling power to attract top quality to ot. Well he hasn't proved me wrong now has he. We are man united yep but under moyes and that wayward or whatever his name is we have looked shabby in this market. I'm a season ticket holder love united for 30 years but I fear for us this season. Moyes is IMO exactly a yes man the glazers wanted just happy to be where he is.

Fergie didn't exactly have pulling power with world class players over the years, whenever we went for one they ended up going else where.

What a nonsense post but if it makes you feel better to blame it on Moyes, go ahead.

Players joining clubs and why they do, the manager probably is about the 5th or 6th thing they look at. Try Pay, playing time, club, location, personal related issues, language etc etc

28 Aug 2013 20:16:47
Hi edds,

I watched the real sociedad game v lyon last week and am doing so this week.

has there ever been or is there any interest in Griezmann the left winger/forward? He is only 22 and looks brilliant everytime I see him?

Cheers
jple23 {Ed001's Note - there was interest a few years ago now, when he first got in and around the team. It would have been the 2009/10 season, as it was the season he was moved from their B team to the first team squad.}

Could not agree with you more

hear hear

Cheers Ed001, I don't think it will be long until someone moves for him maybe next year.

He is quick, left footed, looks more of a goal scoring threat than our wingers nani, young, valencia etc

28 Aug 2013 23:20:31
Honeybadger,

Sorry for late reply but only just back from telling my chums how much fun I had with you boys last night, that and the other thing.

Just a quick point before I go on, that bus we parked, well there was hoardes of them in the car park, you know the ones that had ferried all the day trippers up from down south to fill up your stands.

Not thinking you were there last season when we ran you ragged and you all went home early with us singing "Race you back to London" after you. Now that was funny.

On the point of singing I'm sure someone said about you guys singing to the Special One and some job you love to think he wanted, well if all the day trippers had joined in with the what, 7,000 or so locals, maybe he'd have heard it.

I know you guys love the money thing, but see I'm not convinced we are that different to you, 600,000,000 shirt sales to people who don't even know who wears them with a yank who doesn't even have a love of soccer let alone football and is only in it for the money, against a full house of genuine Chelsea supporters and a guy with money who loves his football. Don't spend that dough if you dont.

I've loved every minute of it and don't ever have it laid on me that I'm plastic unlike the vast majority of you and that single thing makes it so much better.

Now obviously I'm going to come on and give it win lose or draw, the result makes no difference, rememeber how you'd all love the club even if you got relegated. That's what REAL fans do.

CTR sorry to leave you until last my little cherub but I know you always love to wait until last to reply, see what the guys have said first then jump on the old bandwagon as usual. You really need to up your banter because, wow, lol, ZING, ure etc don't in truth cut it. As for cretin, well that was venomous, I think I did well to give a wide berth like I did I could have been scarred for life.

So still keeping you below us which despite GDS2 best efforts is always good and make no mistake GDS2 you got owned.

Anyway off to do the usual now Bond.

Good luck with the window and I think that with all the really big clubs after Felllaini you'll have done well to steal him from under their noses.

Do you reckon Kagawa with go back to Dortmund next summer or in the January window. Geez he must miss playing football.

"just back from telling my chums how much fun I had with you boys last night, that and the other thing."

LOL. maybe you should get out more mate.

I like it when John Terry takes penalty kicks.

Am I the only one who can't understand a word of this post. christ, I have been speaking the queens english for 4 decades now but not got a clue what this person is saying. do we have a bs translator in the house

" House full of genuine chelsea fans". I take it by that you mean a terraced house! Or do you mean a bungalow full. Blind and deluded or what!

Remember last October for the Capital One Cup match, 7,000 United fans took over your small ground, flares, fireworks, actual singing? And decent banter. No better away support than Manchester United. Chelsea fans are a bit sh*t really Marsellus. Funny you won't say anything about the hordes of fans that turned up wearing blue in Japan last December. Or the ones that showed up in Thailand in July. But who cares about that anyway? It makes you sound insecure about your own club. Remember when Stamford Bridge was only half full before the big Russian Crook turned up? Now that was funny, wasn't it Marsellus?

And Marsellus, we don't think Mourinho wanted the job. We know he did. The bitterness in his face whenever he talks about it is priceless. He got flat rejected pal. But he can drown his sorrows at Chelsea for 2, maybe 3 years at best, before he realises he doesn't like the colour blue anymore. All the while, we'll be laughing at the rent boys crying into their David Luiz wigs.

Your rite Marcellus that showed me!