Manchester United Banter Archive August 29 2014

29 Aug 2014 23:08:14
I was at work earlier thinking (it doesn't happen often) and it occurred to me that if someone would have said to me 3 years ago, that we would have Mata, RVP, Rooney and Di maria in the same side, I would have probably laughed at them, given the fact that at the time, we were signing the likes of Ashley Young.

It cheered me up no end. :)

Just to add that I have nothing against Young, who I actually think has been a big plus this season - so far; but he isn't in the same league as the players I mentioned in the above post.

If someone told you three years ago we'd have signed Rooney and you wouldn't have believed them maybe you need to work on your trust issues.

I wouldn't of put money on Rooney still being at the club three years ago.

29 Aug 2014 22:30:09
Really looks as if Vidal is this seasons Sneijder, never mind he is 27. Just hope we don't lose out on Carvalho who might be able to fill the gap we undoubtedly have in our midfield.

Blind and Carvalho would be excellent signings for the long term future of the club

29 Aug 2014 21:26:13
Let's be honest, the real excitement is not if we will sign Vidal or Carvalho but if we do, what will No Midfield change his name to?

No centre backs?

Whoops. Just seen the post ajh. Only two days left and unfortunately my name doesn't show any signs of being consigned to the proverbial cyber bin.
Vidal and carvalho will achieve that.
Still time, still hope, otherwise I'm wrapping my 9 iron over lvg's head next time I see him!

29 Aug 2014 18:47:14
Can't say I'm entirely comfortable with so many posters using the term, 'deadwood', to describe those players that look like they're on their way out.

These are players who pulled on the red shirt, and in my opinion anyway, always tried their best. They may not be of a good enough standard to play for Utd, but was it their fault they were picked or signed? They've all given us a moment of joy at some point, no matter their deficiencies as players.

Which one of us would refuse the opportunity?

As long as they tried their best, then I think they deserve a wee bit more credit than a boot in the ar£e out the door, with, 'deadwood' ringing in their ears from fickle supporters.

It only adds to the growing evidence, after the booing of Fellaini, the airplane stunt last season, and the way over-the-top slating of Cleverley, that Utd fans don't have as much class as I always believed.

Bang on, unfortunately it's the new keyboard warrior world, but it sits uncomfortably with me too.

Stevie, you and I are old enough to be pre Facebook and Twitter. As Dodgy says, it's easy to sit behind a keyboard under a pseudonym throwing out insults. Let's be honest, it's not just football, read any press article on any subject on line and the comments from Joe Public are atrocious.

29 Aug 2014 21:12:21
couldn't agree more mate.

1st time here had to say agree with son of sir matt remember whe he went it was chaos for years

Well said stevo

29 Aug 2014 21:22:19
100% agree these deadwood players brought home the 20th title.

I hope they all go on a do well.

Each player has their own story:
Cleverley - played too deep by moyes
Kagawa - the number 10 we needed but never played in position. Kagawa, RVP Axis could have been amazing.
Chicarito - brilliant super sub and deserves minutes.
Welbeck - played out of position but always gives 100%.

Without getting all Kloot/ Rainfish it amazes me what "fans" say. Back the team back the players.

Chris, great photo, I'm a huge fan of the original radio shows. Smelly Alan Fartridge

"way over the top slating of Cleverley"?

Look I dislike people getting on the back of players inside the stadium, but the venom for Tom inside the boozers I drink in in manchester is justified! Its not his fault but let's be fair. he's not even close to being good enough. Nowhere near good enough. I cannot believe Villa are offering £8m for him! Take their arm off!

Anderson, Michael Keane (pub player), Kagawa & Hernandez should all follow him out of the door.

In LVG we trust!


United till I die!

29 Aug 2014 21:37:01
I know, guys. Pretty depressing to be honest. Especially when it makes me feel like an aul fart :)

I tore a strip off my wee lad for coming out with something similar the other day.

However, he has an excuse. He's 12 years old.

They aren't good enough but you should support all players that play for your club whether there Tom Cleverly or Arturo Vidal encouragment for these players could spark a revival but slagging them off just puts them down more

Right sanctimonious rubbish time over!

Top businesses and teams succeed because they make the tough calls. I don't hate cleverly or any of the other 'deadwood' that we have. But trying to sugar coat the fact they simply aren't and weren't good enough is exactly the reason we finished in 7th. Take him for a beer if you feel sorry for him but it doesn't change the fact he isn't good enough.

They brought the 20th title my arse! De gea, vidic, Ezra, Raphael, car rock, Rooney etc the guys who played 20+ genes for us won us the 20th title not those who simply made up the numbers.

I will always support the team that pulls on my beloved united shirt. But that doesn't mean I can't recognise weakness and where we need to improve!

Rant over

29 Aug 2014 22:18:22
VPA - maybe Fergie should bear the brunt of that venom then. After all, he brought Cleverley into the team, and kept him there. What was Cleverley supposed to do, when asked to play for Manchester United, by the greatest manager ever? Say, 'no thanks Guv, I'll sit this one out'?

Fair play to the lad. He might be a limited player, but at least he fronted up and didn't hide, especially in the wake of that national lampooning over the England debacle.

That came from fans of other teams, which is fair enough. But I'm sure he probably thought his own team's fans wouldn't join in as well.

Wrong, Tom.

29 Aug 2014 22:19:46
Ted de Bear, you really need to read my post again.

StevieK,

Point taken, I do agree that it's wrong that he's taken so much grief from our fans (the best in the world) but I don't think he did him any favours by coming out last year saying " the fans jump on home grown players first". They do to any player who's performance goes from exciting to promising to average to down right awful. his performance Sunderland summed it up. . stunk the place out. worst player on the park AGAIN!. He should have "You do it" on the back of his shirt!. again, its not his fault and if I was given the chance i'd play for us aswell. but i'm rubbish too!

Agree Sir Alex does take some of the blame.

29 Aug 2014 23:05:36
VPA,

I thought cleverley was no worse than anyone else in the Sunderland game. Also to call Keane a pub player shows you have hardly seen him play. He's about a year away from being ready but he has been thrown in at the deep end and then people like you call him a pub player. It's pathetic it really is.

29 Aug 2014 23:33:03
As a season ticket holder, I have to stand up for the fans here, they didn't turn on moyes as much as maybe they definatly could have given the fall from grace we had, and other clubs even lower league ones doing so much worse than season before would have been calling for the managers head way before we did (if infact the fans in the majority actually did amazingly) last season the majority of fans we're stone cold, solid gold class IMO. The booing of fellaini hurt me tbh because in one game we ruined part of that. In summary for one season without looking like winning trophy's and without looking like finishing top four and without playing exciting football and scoring bags of goals and without signings we stood up, took it on the chin and still had some of the best support in the league, especially away from home.

GDS2,

The only player that was on a par wit Tom Cleverley against Sunderland was Darren Fletcher.

I'm a massive Fletcher fan. always have been! But he was dreadful (maybe its catching up with him).

Tom Cleverley has not got the credit in the bank that Fletcher has. I cannot remember the lat time I watched Cleverley have even a half decent game for United. I am a loyal and patient fan, but the player HAS to give something back. something, anything! and he has not. ONCE done that!

Michael Keane makes John O'Shea look like Franco Baresi. He looks like a championship centre half at best!

Tyler Blackett on the other hand looks definately worth a place in the squad.

30 Aug 2014 00:10:06
Class92 - I agree entirely, mate. I got over to a few games last season, and was always impressed with the actual match-going support.

Though some on here denied this was the case, and stated that the more disgruntled fans in the ground were being threatened by other fans into showing support for the manager.

It's the online posters, the keyboard warriors, the spoilt with success plastics and johnny-come-latelys I'm really referring to. And those like Ted the Red, who respond in a rage, without actually reading the OP properly.

Most genuine fans know how to behave.

30 Aug 2014 00:55:50
Whatever happened to RFT?

{Ed007's Note - Before you ask that question you have to understand that we're trying to free your mind, Ozzy. I can only show you the door, you're the one that has to walk through it.
Once you step through there's no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.}

Ed07

Red Pill huh, getting worried about you now mate lol

StevieK

Several of the match goers were threatened last year. I actually spoke to another at the Swansea game who was abused on the coach on his way home for not being "onside".

I think our fans are really good but could be more vocal, I was there against Real Madrid and stood like most others to give the Brazilian Ronaldo an ovation, that is class. In fact I think it happened back in the early seventies when Charlie George played for Derby at OT, I was there and applauded a wonderful performance.

I agree genuine fans know how to behave

Is that you Neo?

Stevie.

I did read your post.

The reply was partly in reaction to your post but also to those reply's.

You say they deserve credit, I don't think they do! That's my opinion you have yours. Of course it's not their 'fault' they were picked and like anyone else I would have paid to be able to pull on the shirt.

But that doesn't change the fact that we need higher expectations of our players.

I don't remember their being a response like this when we shipped Gibson of to Everton as he wasn't good enough.

The fact is whilst I support whatever team goes out and plays there are certain players who I hope play well rather than expect to play well. People like cleverley and nani.

It's about setting expectation and being realistic about the quality of our players. Call a spade a spade! Just because they pull on the shirt doesn't mean they are good enough! I will support them wholeheartedly when they do, but it doesn't mean I can't recognise that they shouldn't.

30 Aug 2014 10:49:36
Ted, when I said read my post properly, I was referring to the fact that I did state these various players weren't at the level required to be Utd players. There's no argument there. My point was, that as Utd players, they deserve a bit better than being constantly referred to as deadwood, just because they had the temerity to agree to play for our club when asked.

I remember the likes of Gary Birtles and Peter Davenport having a torrid time back in the 80s. Two new signings with big reputations, but who it just didn't work out for. But it wasn't through want of the Utd supporters not giving them good backing. We willed them to try and reproduce their form at their previous clubs. We didn't boo them or publicly vilify them. Same as Forlan. Why? Because they tried their best. Even though they couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo, the fans knew they were giving their all.

It's when they're blatantly not putting in the effort, that they deserve any criticism coming their way.

29 Aug 2014 20:04:10
Sick of seeing people saying that lvg is the same as moyes. For a start lvg is actually a proven manager who has won trophies with big clubs and has previous champions league experience. Secondly lvg has at least tried to bring in his philosophy and bring in new players to improve our ranks. Moyes bought fellaini for more than he should have cost and although when he was at Everton I craved for him to join he looks a shadow of his old self. So not a good signing. We've signed 4 good players and maybe there could be more to come. He's seen the deadweight and is shipping them out. It will take a while to adapt to his way of playing but when everything comes together and we have everyone fit we will look like a different side. Stop panicking. We're 3 games in not 3 games to the end

29 Aug 2014 17:59:38
A question to the eds. It looks like Cleverley and Kagawa are off and could be followed by Anderson as well leaving us very thin in the midfield. Do you see us making that key signing for CM now or will we use Di Maria as a temporary CM and go in for Strootman in January?

{Ed002's Note - The club is looking to bring players in.}

29 Aug 2014 16:59:22
Hi Eds - I just put together a post on LVG moaning again (Titanic comparison). If you weren't going to already could you add it to the Other Posts please. Too much other stuff more important going on and people will get fed up of me bitching on the main page. Sorry for the hassle.

30 Aug 2014 00:39:57
I think you've hit the nail on the head to be honest. With all respect, each person on here is entitled to their opinions, but your posts annoy the Barry White out of me. So negative, impatient and disrespectful to the players who play for United. I actually sometimes wonder if you are an opposing fan just trolling us all!

{Ed007's Note - Screw the nut, just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't make them a troll or any less a Utd supporter.}

Not saying he must share have same opinions on everything or that I'm right all the time, I just wish "supporters" might actually support the team longer than 3 games into a managerial reign.

29 Aug 2014 16:48:01
Just imagine if LVG had replaced SAF last season instead of Moyes.

Now imagine that LVG had a similar season to Moyes's, which is pretty much the way it's looking like being as it will take a fair few months for everything to click (if it does) and by then it will be fortunate if we are competing for top 4. Not being negative just realistic.

Now imagine the board no longer believe in the LVG plan, because it's unrealistic for a team like Man Utd to wait that long and they get rid. Just like they did Moyes.

Now imagine we hire Moyes to replace LVG this summer and everything we have witnessed this summer has happened with Moyes, all the mixed messages, the player judging (again), the dropped points, the loss against MK Dons, the last minute transfer mess, the massively overpaying for players, most importantly the inept bewildered performances that are so anti Utd its unbelievable, etc etc etc.

Moyes would be lynched, but LVG is viewed as a saviour by many. Funny how that works and what one season can do!

Read The Moon's blog about LVG - it may be cause for concern to those of you that think LVG is the saviour or can help reinforce your views, depends on how you interpret it, but it's a good read.

It reinforces my view that LVG is a spoilt brat, he gets his way or he quits, if he gets his way and it fails then he blames everyone else, and quits. I think we have all boarded the Titanic here and as soon as that Ice Berg pops up our Captain will be on the one and only life boat out of there, there is something Billy Zane (or Charles Rane in Passenger 57)about this guy!

I'm worried.

He gets his way or he quits, if he gets his way and it fails then he blames everyone else, and quits


That sounds a lot like a certain manager everyone admires a lot. Manages a certain club in London

Seriously lighten up mate! There's no need worrying about what could or could not happen

Lvg has been hailed the hero by some .
But the same people will be flying a banner over OT if we are not top by xmas

So after three games playing teams that aren't first choice, through injuries, and with new players yet to feature you have decided we are going to have a similar season to the last one.
You sir are a defeatist, pessimistic, glass half empty fool!

Beast mate, we get it, you don't need to remind us every day how you feel. You're as bad as Red man and DM last year (no offence RM)

Beast you are worried?
Really?
What should we do fire him too?
what the hell is wrong with our fans?
last year half of the crowd was after moyes from the moment he was appointed.
this iyear the half that hated moyes backing lvg.
and the rest either being dreamy or being in denial.
The truth is ever since the 08 champions league we have been going downwards. we have been winning but being rubbishty predictable and very very bad. but the genius and the fear of Sir Alex kept the half of teams from beating us.
We are not a top 4 team yet. building team takes time. I was prepared to give moyes time. atleast to remove the deadwood. but he didnt. was punished. lvg has atleast tried to do that. it takes time.
i don't get the point some people make that we know people that players are rubbish. so you walk into a nrewly appointed job go there and tell every one around you. that . hey I have been here a day. but I know your rubbish? that's not how it works is it? Lvg may or may not be the saviour but there is no bloody point saying OH I Am worried!
Seriously!
over and out!

29 Aug 2014 17:43:56
Beast,
I think LVG has a good track record allbeit a CV not without flaws. He is well respected within the game and he has coached at many of the biggest clubs in european football and won trophies everywhere he has been then had a great 2 years with Holland culminating in a wc semi final, he exudes confidence and will be a success, he is not everybodies cup of tea and he will upset players, the board, the press and the fans at times, but he is a great coach and those who catch on and do it his way will improve as will the team as a whole, once he has the players where he wants them and gets them to understand and implement his philosaphy we will see something great. Once he has the group clicking and fully in tune with each other you will see a team fully motivated brimming with confidence and 100% together, . I don't believe the club are in any sort of panic mode, just try to be patient. ;)

29 Aug 2014 17:50:39
Imagine LVG took over last season instead of Moyes .
Imagine he wouldn't have spent over 60m on Fellaini ( not good enough ) and Mata ( another no. 10 to add to the others )
Imagine he'd kept the pressure on Woodward to get players in
Imagine he'd cleared out all the deadwood
Imagine we might be ready to go again this season instead of him having an even bigger mess to sort

Beast, what is your problem with LVG? Yes, he is an arrogant so and so, but so was SAF, so is Mourinho. The difference between LVG and your best mate Moyes, is the fact that LVG has had success wherever he's been. Period.
We can only employ a man who has a good track record in successful management. At Bayern, he took over, changed the club, won two leagues an got them to the final of the CL, before a lot of interference from the heirachy over there. I spoke to him briefly about this, and he was very bitter about the way he was treated.
Moyes did nothing in ten months to give anyone any encouragement that he might be the right man for the job. He was abysmal in everything he did.
So please, let's give the manager ten months before we start calling for his head.
He has already started clearing the deadwood in the club, which is 100% more than Moyes achieved.

29 Aug 2014 17:59:40
Deja Vu!

29 Aug 2014 18:03:24
Beast mate you need to calm down a bit, From all your post one thing I m certain about is that u don't like LVG and for some reason seem to love Moyes, we get it.

But let's just make a list of players injured or unavailable currently,
rafael, shaw, carrick, herrera, smalling, rojo and I m not considering squad players here just definite starters. That's six starters unavailable, select which ever team in the world u wan't remove any six of their 1st team players see let's see how they perform.

U keep banging abt how people view LVG as savior while moyes would be crucified for this, it's simple LVG has Bundesliga title, a europa, a Liga BBVA title and 3rd place finish at world cup with a average dutch squad to show for as a CV, while moyes had I finished midtable with everton for 10 seasons. U think fans would have reacted same way had r manager been Guardiola r Klopp r Mou , I don't agree with the fact that moyes was sacked yet dear ed still retains his job, But in the end results matter, Fergie could have been sacked but for a FA cup.

U see Moyes n LVG r 2 different people, I don't thnk LVG will take kindly to ed deadwood if he does not get d players LVG wants while Moyes just took it lying down, U thnk if RVP and other seniors would have survived in d team if they had sulked the same way with LVG incharge as dey did when moyes was incharge.

U say LVG has a his way or high way approach , I ask a simple question why shouldn't he its on his head the axe will swing if he does not get it right.

Yeah I made a mistake sending this again so soon. It was just a post wound me up below. I tried to get the Eds to move it to Others before they posted because I appreciate the drum is beaten to death. They ended up posting both on this lol.

Sorry guys, I will cool it for a bit.

I get the feeling that there aren't many on here that remember united pre Fergie. I'm not saying that I have much memories of that time myself, I'm only 32, but I think people need to realise we've all been spoilt rotten for the last 20 odd years. Teams don't normally win everything every year. Fergie was a genius and united's dominance was a freak of nature. Calm down and let Van Gaal do his job, he might be quite good at it.

29 Aug 2014 19:12:18
I have a feeling these posts are going to look a little silly come the end of October.

Beast - I agree entirely on the Moyes comparisons. For whatever reason fans seem a lot more forgiving when it comes to LVG than they did with Moyes - although I suspect that's down to their belief that LVG will eventually come good.

Personally I never felt that Moyes was the right man for the job and for that reason found it extremely difficult to support him when things started to go wrong (ultimately because there was no sign of things getting better or a long term plan other than 'hope for the best').

I've been critical of LVG because I think he's made some mistakes already - but ultimately I think he has the experience and skills to bring us back from the brink. He might fail - but I am a lot more confident with LVG at the helm than I was with Moyes.

He needs to start repaying that confidence with results though - because as far as I'm concerned missing out on Champions League football again is not an option. I suspect the board will have a similar view. We're still only two games into the season. If we're still performing as we are after 19, I imagine peoples' opinions will change - regardless of how much they talk about giving him time now.

He is getting rid of the dead wood in record time we are lucky because dithering dsve would of probably give them all similar contrscts to nani

Ground Hog day.

I hope so GDS2.

AJH, no offence taken my friend, I saw the disaster before he was appointed and I did actually say this time last year that I would give him time to see what he would do and it is easily forgotten I tried to be objective until it became clear he was out of his depth.

I think a lot of those giving LvG a hard time perhaps are not realising that we are looking at a decisive leader, a leader, a manager who has a vision of what the finished successful article looks like and knows how to get there because he has done it before.

LvG is actually doing what should have been done a year ago. Come in, assess where we are, plot a path and start dealing with the issues we have been talking about on here for about 4 years.
I have seen every manager since Sir Matt and after Sir Matt we dithered in the transfer market pretending the youth would rescue us. I recall one of the early 70's managers asked for major funds to buy some top players and it was declined, I remember the pain all the way to 74 because of it, Georgie Best questioned our ambition but we bumbled around.

We bumbled last season but now we have someone who is being decisive and setting about the arresting of a potential decline, the things United in 69 and Liverpool in 90 didn't do.

I am prepared to give LvG time, because I know the desperation of the pre SAF era and I see a leader in place.

GDS2

We better be a lot better come end of October. We have spend 130 mill on 4 top players and with the existing group we should be winning against lesser opposition.

29 Aug 2014 20:45:33
Far queen bellhop what happened to patience? To be fair the match day crowd stayed behind Moyes til the end pretty much. Some comments on this page are embarrassing.

Blimey Gav, far queen bellhop?

I'm behind LVG but I guess if we rewind 12 months, when people started doubting Moyes, the optimists amongst us would never have believed we would finish 7th and be embarrassed so regularly at OT. Time will tell I guess although the key for me is we have a man confident in his own ability and beliefs, with a clear vision and strategy, and one who players will not disrespect. If anyone decides to take it easy they will be out. As SAF used to say, they have to know who is in charge.

30 Aug 2014 08:59:33
It's code AJH.
Code for "I was drunk when I posted that" oh dear :)

29 Aug 2014 16:32:35
Read a journo tweeting earlier that his information is that neither vidal or carvalho are coming. Now with Vidals latest '100% Juventus' comments that fairly rules him out no big prize for saying he is not coming.

Calling Carvalho not coming means either he is talking out of his ass or he knows from inside Carvalho isn't coming. He did not say nobody is coming for defensive mid just it won't be either of these pair.

The whole scenario begs the question are we going to sign anybody as a defensive midfielder. I would not be surprised if LVG was waiting till Jan window to allow Strootman show his fitness before signing him.

THere seems to be a big midfield clear out going on with Nani gone and Cleverly and Kagawa looking like following him out of Old Trafford. Anderson is still hanging in there hope he goes before the window shuts. THe problem is there is very little left to plug the gap.

Not signing a def cm puts more pressure on our creaking back 3 which needs more than Rojo to fix it. In the absence of a Vidal type player surely a top centre back is need to give some stability in the defence. I do think that LVG thinks the 3 offers more protection in the absence of a Def cm and were we to sign one he will revert to 433

The squad has been in decline for years and both Fergie and Moyes failed to address that. Even Fergie had to bring back Scholes to patch up the midfield to win the title. Big names have left in Rio and Vidic at the back both top class players and no replacements. Evans although he had a stinker v MK Dons was ever present in the last title winning side alongside either RIo or Vidic. It was a case of Evans and one of them rather than the other way around. He needs to step up and quickly. THat said a no nonsense centre half is required, Jones for all his bluster comes across as headless at times and Smalling is more of a positional centre back.

The next couple of days will tell where we go until january at least. As Ed said let's watch the space

I've just read this on . They also said johnny Evans might be on his way

Surely mr van gaal knows more then us all put together x 1 million!

29 Aug 2014 15:02:15
Could we be signing Wijnaldum from PSV?

29 Aug 2014 16:16:49
I think he was the only outfield member if the Dutch team we have not been linked with, so probably!

Wouldn't be surprised if he is the one we get. Certainly not top 4 calibre player though.

29 Aug 2014 14:21:29
I would just like to say well done to all the eds with the last few days of transfer window coming up they will be busy. Also I hope we get at least 2 or 3 players in. I'm hoping we get a centre mid, defensive mid and a centre back. Here's hoping

29 Aug 2014 13:34:00
Well there has been a lot of straw clutching here lately. So here's mine.

Allegeri said that vidal is fit and is going to start tomorrow. Why would any team start their star player who's come back from an injury and a knee surgery? Did he play even one preseason match or even a reserves match? This may be a case of trying to prove his fitness.

Sorry I had nothing else

29 Aug 2014 13:47:33
He made at least one sub appearence last week I think, and ran his socks off, really can't see Vidal coming it's too much of a risk for him and us

Vidal has just tweeted something along the line of "Ready to Return, 100% Juventus"

I think that finally rules out a move, as the media world have been saying that Vidal's opinion would be decisive in this potential deal.

I guess we now turn our head to Carvalho, if its not to late

Or how about.

He's going to play because he's not coming :)

Do you really think they would risk injuring him if he was lined up for a very large sum of money?

29 Aug 2014 16:19:13
as Ed002 says, clutching at straws

Think it translates as" we are ready to return to 100% come on juve" 

29 Aug 2014 09:28:05
This is for Eds and everyone else. As it seems attention has turned to william carvalho as you may have suggested. What is yours and everyones views on this player? I have never seen him play and nobody tell me based on youtube videos please!

I haven't seen him play enough to make my own judgment but I've read several articles about him. Apparently not the quickest but he makes up for that as he reads the game so well. He's strong and is always willing to collect the ball from defenders and start a new attacking move. He could be a good signing and would allow the likes of Hererra and Mata more freedom further up the pitch. Also very young and will only get better with experience in a top league like the premiere league. Anything less than £25-£30M could be very good business.

I have only seen him 5 or 6 times but what I've seen and read about him. He's a physical presence that we desperately need in midfield he breaks down the play and plays from deep. He however doesn't do a great deal going forward other than recycling the ball. At his age I'd say he has potential to be not world class but certainly a very high standard and he's already better than what we currently have. I'd be content if we signed him but that's only because we would have failed to sign vidal.

29 Aug 2014 14:33:13
I'm not a United fan but have looked at him and read various reports as he has also been linked to Arsenal.

It seems initial reports earlier last year raved about him, much like they did Wanyama.

However later reports I read stated he has struggled against the better sides.

Like a lot of young players they get hyped up but are not necessarily the player you were hoping for.

We all know the Premier League is a different ball game but who knows, Wanyama seems to be doing well at Southampton and I posted some stats on him on our page where Southampton did way better when he was playing to when he wasn't.

I wrote the other day how Wanyama looked awesome against Liverpool. Exactly what Utd and Arsenal need, so if Carvalho is similar bring him on.

29 Aug 2014 16:02:34
People cite his perceived lack of pace but his positioning means he doesn't need to rely on pace and he is actually fairly quick when needed.

Also the way sporting play means he doesn't play 50 yard Hollywood pings upfront.

29 Aug 2014 12:23:27
Im getting sick of the Vidal rumours but here's another that has just appreared on the live transfer section on the Sky Sports Website.

"Corrierre dello Sport claims the Manchester United striker has agreed personal terms with Juventus. United are reported to be using the deal as a bargaining tool to sign Arturo Vidal"

I'd rather keep Chico than sell him to Juve.

Thats upto Chico really, if he isn't getting a game then I would think he would want to leave.

Chico is a waste of space for me. I'd much rather he moved on and Wilson promoted up a peg, he is a dead weight for us now. As much as I loved the rags to riches story of the little Pea, he just isn't good enough, one season wonder I'm afraid.

I agree Beast, his touch and passing is shocking. He's just a goal poacher nothing more.

Given game time Chico is a decent player and a real goal poacher. In an ideal world we'd be in a position to be able to bring him on for 30 minutes of every game once the game is won to recapture his form and confidence.

Unfortunately I don't think our current form or his allows us to do that. I don't see us being in a position where a game is won after 60 minutes anytime soon and I don't think he is playing well enough to come on and win us a game if we're struggling. He needs to leave - but I wouldn't let him go to Juventus after the fiasco surrounding Vidal.

There will be other clubs in for him and if it's a case of staying with us or going to somebody other than Juventus I am confident he will opt for the latter.

29 Aug 2014 11:51:25
Can anyone help with the Rojo work permit issue?
LVG said the difference between him and Di Maria, is that Di Maria has an Italian passport?
Rojo has an Argentinian passport and has to "work for it"?

Surely we would have looked into this prior to signing the lad.

There's talk that not only is the Rojo deal being held up by work permit issues (attributed to ongoing legal troubles in Argentina) - but also that the Premier League are still to ratify the deal because of third party ownership issues. Apparently Sporting are refusing to give Doyen 75% of the transfer fee despite Doyen having lent them 75% of the funds to sign the player from Russia.

{Ed002's Note - That is nonsense - you don't understand the transfer process.}

He is already a united player. The transfer is completed and work permit issues will be sorted out during the international period.

30 Aug 2014 06:54:20
Ed002 - At no point have I claimed to understand the intricacies of transfers. Just passing on what I've heard from a few places. Thanks for clearing that up though!

29 Aug 2014 10:41:24
If reports are true LvG has made one of his best decisions so far by promoting wilson to the 1st team squad

29 Aug 2014 10:02:09
It maybe the cynic in me, but are MU using Valencia to push up prices for our players? Or are they genuinely interested in signing all of our players :)

Either way works for me

Valencia have got a new Billionaire owner, so have become one of the teams to dangle unwanted players in front of.

29 Aug 2014 09:58:01
If reports are to be believed and juve only want to loan chicarito and it is not part of a deal for vidal I think we should pull the plug as its no benefit to us to loan him out he is not a youngster looking for games he is a player that unfortunately hasn't played to the required standard and needs to be sold

29 Aug 2014 09:15:48
Sly sports reporting that Valencia are interested in cleverley aswell. And for the life of me I don't understand why. The guy wouldn't get in my local pub team.

He did always say he played the spanish way lol

29 Aug 2014 07:43:57
I agree with other posters here. Enough with the Vidal obsession. It won't end sweet if he happens to be another injury-prone addition to our already injury-prone squad. Besides, there can never be only one solution to such a problem. Start with Carvalho, for instance. Its only intelligent thinking from the United decision-makers to raise interest in him once again.
He has very good positioning sense somewhat similar to Carrick. He may not be the most skillful or fast, but its not mandatory if he can boss the middle of the park with his position, interception and power in front of the back line. He is certainly better that what we have. He would replace Carrick comfortably. That's what I think.

I think if we let Carvalho slip through our fingers and he goes to Arsenal we will regret it for years.

I can see carrick being used as the cb in the 3 at the back. Similar to what de Rossi used to do for italy a few years back. An extra cb but come out and play the ball around. It would make sense as we need a more experienced player back there who can organise.

Rouge Diablo, I agree 100%. Carvalho would be a great addition. Not easy to find a player with such potential in that position.

Im sure could mate :)

29 Aug 2014 05:00:10
New comprehensive article about Louis Van Gaal was submitted by The Moon

Good article.
I quite agree with moving forward and the support needed to be given to LVG. It is evident that the belief must come from the players. There must be conviction and confidence that THEY ARE MAN UTD and a big club with depth in history. If these players do not believe and play what LVG wants, I can only say that the players are to be blame if they don't even give it their best and at the least try the LVG style.
If they tried and fail, I am sure everyone can then see that it is not the right system and hence LVG should then take the blame. Until then, the onus is on the players to give it their best in training and game time. After all, they are paid so highly to give their best. If they don't then they are obviously not professional and waste of time and Man Utd's money and resources.

Red666 - Van Gaal will never be the fault in this according to him. all we could do is speculate.

But I think EVERYONE on here needs to realize (which through my article I've tried showing) that Van Gaal projects ALWAYS take half the season to start working, we're not some anomaly.

It's a fact at all but 2 of the clubs he's been at they've struggled to get off the mark initially due to the nature and technicality of his training regimes.

3 months to learn a whole new system to a level that will have you competing with the very best teams in Europe. That's a huge ask.

I don't think people understand the complexity of tactics.

I believe the board are well aware of this, I think they all knew the LVG plan and the fact that this season may be just as hard on the fans as last season.

Anyway, thanks for reading the article. much appreciated.

I worked hard on putting it all together, so if anyone else gets a couple of minutes have a read. I'm sure you'll learn something new about LVG's career.

Have a good day.

29 Aug 2014 04:03:30
Ed,
Cleverley, zaha leave and kagawa, welbeck and anderson expected to leave also as already club interested. It is means that man utd need another one or two player will needed as their replacement for this transfer window? carvalho and blind?

{Ed002's Note - The club are interested in both - it remains tough to see what Blind will bring.}

29 Aug 2014 08:37:51
Carvalho yes as he would add some much needed steel to our very soft midfield. Blind I just don't think is needed. We need a CB not someone who can cover a few positions. The left side of defence looks great for me now. If we get Carvalho I'll be happy with our CM for this season too, so a new CB and I am happy. If we lose Hernandez and Welbeck then a forward would be needed, unless LVG thinks Wilson could do the job straight away.

29 Aug 2014 00:42:14
Have to say i'm delighted lvg has decided to start clearing out some of the players. Shows he has balls and that he knows what players are good enough. It may be a bit late in terms of the window but its a start. I am hearing zaha is on loan with kagawa, hernandez and clevs likely to agree deals elsewhere. If we can also move anderson on and young it would be a hugely successful window. I do not see any point letting welbeck and hernandez both go especially with rvp injury record so I hope danny stays as I think he has something to offer. Now with departures it must mean arrivals. I really hope we see vidal or carvalho perhaps daley blind and a central defender and I would even be happy with ron vlaar who knows the premier league and lvg and trusts him. He was super in world cup and is a rock of a man. He is able to lead a defence also and would not cost a fortune. I know a lot of people want hummels but its unlikely and vlaar would be better than most of our defenders. Really think lvg is starting to make his mark. Have said all along when he has his own players and gets rid of wasters we will get a lot better. The man knows what he is doing he is one of the best in the business.