Manchester United Banter Archive August 29 2018

29 Aug 2018 21:16:13
I have been reading article after article and don't think I can recall a time when the press had their knives out as much as they do right now for any manager, not even the cold Trafford headline about Sexton. SAF banned a few and could receive some caustic comments, yet never have I seen such hysteria from members of the press against a manager. No, Jose doesn't help himself sometimes but it feels like a clear agenda to bring Mourinho down to size or to push him to the sack. You know I stand by the manager but put that aside and see what is going on for yourself. It is concerted daily attacks from all angles and becoming increasingly frenzied like a shark attack.

Right now, the press are not reporting but seem to be looking for every angle against our manager. Imagine the frenzy if the press get their way, loads of we told you so articles every day, before building up the new manager before enjoying knocking him down as well. Plenty of column inches.

We need to show a United front, stand by Mourinho right now in his time of adversity and stand against the press feeding frenzy. It is not the right time to sack him, we can't let the press set Manchester United's agenda.

29 Aug 2018 21:34:15
England managers have got worse in the past .
Moyes probably got worse
Goes with job, build you up when you do well knock you down when you don't.

29 Aug 2018 21:55:26
No Jred, I have never seen anything like the nonsense that is going on, England managers and Moyes included.

29 Aug 2018 21:58:03
Good post redman back the manager, can I just confirm with you that you felt the same with the last two and it's not just a personal preference thing where depends if you like them personally or not. Fair play tho if you give them all the same support .

29 Aug 2018 22:14:23
Slate

I did not back Moyes because it was, as proven, a terrible error and nothing to do with a personal preference, it was a judgement because it was clear he just wasn’t the right level based upon his cv.

29 Aug 2018 22:19:41
So no united front and stand by the manager in a time of adversity for him then .
I get what you mean about our manager now tho mate the time to judge where we stand is at the end of the season.

29 Aug 2018 23:38:43
I didn’t want Moyes, Van Gaal, or Mourinho but I’ve supported all 3 as it’s a hard enough job as it is.

30 Aug 2018 00:01:06
I think José will be ok. He's big enough and ugly enough to deal with the media. He's played the game with them for years, and now they smell blood. Only himself to blame, the way he's carried on with them over the years. I don't see why we have to suddenly all get behind him, just because the papers are spouting their usual rubbish. Just another smokescreen to cover up what's happening on the pitch.

And I wonder if he'd have appreciated our loyalty and support when he was batting his eyelids at PSG. I hope he can be successful with us, because I want my club to be successful, not because the big scary media are being nasty to him. I really couldn't care less about him as an individual.

If only we had got behind all our managers, especially those who needed it more than a man who really doesn't want to be here.

30 Aug 2018 07:36:06
Red Man don't forget Jose doesn't waste any opportunity kicking he's fellow managers or getting personal when they're at worst/ down. Can't see a lot of fans around the world including most of Utd fans having any sympathy for him.

30 Aug 2018 08:06:18
Most of the main stream journalists are useless in this country.

How many of them have coached, managed, played? Been a part of running a football club or an elite level at some point.

Any of them?

I heard a great line this morning. They only know what someone else has told them.

{Ed001's Note - not sure how being a coach, manager or player means you would have knowledge over someone who should have spent their entire time studying the same game? Far be it from me to defend main stream journalists, as most are terrible, but none of your digs at them have any relevance.}

30 Aug 2018 08:33:24
Angel - couldn't you sum up the knowledge of the people on this forum the same. Nearly everything that is "quoted" on here is what someone has heard or read, yet people are not frightened to write some pretty damming posts on the players / managers and this is a United forum.
Funny how we should close ranks around Jose yet Moyes and LVG were fair game for being slaughtered by their own supporters, let alone the press.

30 Aug 2018 08:49:57
Ed. I just think the majority of this country's main stream journalists write something as it's fact when in actual fact the majority of what they write is opinion based. Many of them talk as if they have a deep and meaningful understanding of the game when in actual fact they do not.

The majority seem to think they know more about a game that people like Jose, klopp, pep etc do who have spent the majority of their lives playing and coaching at a very high level.

I am all for good strong investagitive journalism no matter what level of the sport they found themselves at if any. What I don't like is poor journalists claiming to have greater knowledge, writing as fact instead of opinion when they have no real understanding of the game at any level. Just people who probably did quite well at English GCSE level and college :)

Keanooh, yes, but I ain't writing for a newspaper that sells over a million a day or whatever.

{Ed001's Note - now that I agree with you completely about. That is why I included the word 'should'.}

30 Aug 2018 09:24:21
Angel - my post isn't aimed at you specifically, I just find it odd that the press are criticised on here yet some of the posts are far more critical. We have previously seen a player described as a cancer within the club, I've not seen anything at that level in the press.
Even though the views of the supporters doesn't sell a million papers, it was enough for the club to change their whole managerial plans because of the toxic fans.

30 Aug 2018 09:32:45
Got to be honest the back the manager line really is a personnel preference and didn't apply to our previous managers . Redman as you said at the time and since, you wanted moyes out before a ball had been kicked.
England managers also get a lot of stick . Sam got done in a sting, his own greedy fault but the press went to great lengths to get him .
They made sure hoddle and venebles job was untenable .
Turnip head Taylor on the front page .
The wally with the brolly.
Goes with the job .
Jose been in the business long enough now to handle it, although I'm not sure his outburst the other night helped the situation.

30 Aug 2018 10:19:38
I should have clarified in my original post ed.

I know some of the best journalists never had at hand experience within the sports that write about. I get that can't always be the case, in fact, her seldom. I just don't like journalists, very poor ones at that, preaching as if what they say is fact when in most cases they hear it third or fourth hand. It makes for extremely poor reading.

I love when you get someone who has played at a very high level and someone who also has a great grasp of english/ journalism.

I find you get those types of Journalists in rugby.

While in football you have people who write wishing they had been at that level, somewhat envious.

{Ed001's Note - I understand that, I find personally that most of them are over educated and so they all seem to use the same format and talk the same bull. The best journalists have life experience which gives them a different viewpoint.}

30 Aug 2018 11:37:12
Bottom line though on all this is that Jose is a winner. Love him or hate him, he is our manager and has a decorated history. Quite frankly, who else do we turn to. The club ought to back him and his plans or get him out and appoint someone new. He should have got the job when Sir Alex left.

30 Aug 2018 10:38:16
Are there any that you would suggest following? I find it tough, I think I find one and then their next article will be complete bull wrapped up in good execution.

{Ed001's Note - to be honest I don't really have time for them. I tend to read older articles these days in the main, doing research for the articles I write.}

30 Aug 2018 11:00:08
And yet some of the the pundits that have played at the highest level have some strange views .

30 Aug 2018 12:08:36
Remember how we all used to laugh at Keegan and Rafa, for losing it on tv? This was just as toe-curling. He'd just lost 3-0 at home to a rival. Of course he should be questioned about it. And let's face it, most of the journos at these conferences, tiptoe round him and others for fear of losing access. He hardly gets a Paxman-style grilling.

30 Aug 2018 12:33:24
The problem is Red Man, is you come across very disingenuous when you say we are "United" and should show a "United front" and back the manager when you yourself have stated you didn't back the appointment of a previous manager and you didn't yourself show a "United front" with Moyes.

It boils down to personal preference. You like Jose and therefore you are prepared to back him and you want all the fans to do the same regardless of whether they like Jose or not. Even though you yourself weren't prepared to do the same with Moyes. At best its a little shortsighted, at worst, its stinking hypocrisy.

I get what your trying to do, but doing it this way is a tough sell. Unfortunately your previous comments work against you here, as have mine worked against me previously. It comes with being a long term prolific poster. We all say silly things from time to time and you can bet your bottom dollar when the time is right jred will point out your past follies. Then Ken will disagree with him on principle and then before you know it we'll all be discussing whether Rooney is a genuine legend or a tragic miss-use of talent gone to waste.

Then repeat ad nauseam.

30 Aug 2018 12:53:02
Shappy 🤣🤣🤣 I do agree with the hypocrisy part, it does stick in my throat if I'm honest.

30 Aug 2018 13:27:02
slate just imagine if the press did the same to fergie when he started this on jose now is just a which hunt they the press should be lined up against a wall.

30 Aug 2018 13:36:04
Dazw
The press did with fergy the difference was there wasn't the social media, internet, 24 hour tv coverage .

30 Aug 2018 14:42:41
I don't really know much about the media daz, I'd hope any manager would be backed or sacked based on performance unless some sort of MIS conduct was involved .
I don't doubt though media's ability to influence people's opinions .
Fergie did come under pressure in his early years at utd but got through it and the rest was gravy .
Redman above explained clearly why he didn't back Moyes and how he formed his opinion, I agreed with it but it duznt change the fact it was just his opinion and other people may have wished for longer for Moyes and formed a different opinion . So posting a Churchillian speech to back the man utd manager only applied if he liked the manager and if Moyes returned tomorrow then his views would be very different . it's not meant as a potshot at redman it applies to lots of us me included . For the record I back jm as utd manager as the last two seasons he deserves it . As for this season it's too early to say anything as we wouldn't call a marathon race after a hundred metres.

30 Aug 2018 14:43:56
Dazw, they did. Fergie just barred them. Take a look at some of his previous vids and his discussions with media. They rarely crossed him and if they did, they'd know about it.

30 Aug 2018 14:42:46
Ah okay ed. That's fair enough. I don't really read many journalist views anymore of a footballing nature. I do love some of the rugby guys, those who can articulate their points very well whom also would have first hand knowledge of situations.

That's a problem with a lot of the TV pundits. They aren't exactly the brightest and some of their views come across quite daft.

Good post again shappy. Some are worse than others though and then they get their underwear all tied up 🤣.

{Ed001's Note - pundits are usually ex-pros, when you said that they would have more knowledge. I have known many footballers, but very few have any knowledge of the game, sadly. It seems different on the continent, especially Eastern Europe, their footballers seem to be much better educated as a rule.}

30 Aug 2018 14:54:09
Sorry keanooh, agree with you 100% pal.

30 Aug 2018 15:23:50
Noucamp has got it spot on. I've said before that Mourinho plays the media and they'll dig their knives in as soon as they see an opportunity. Why not? If you give it, then you have to be prepared to take it.
I repeat, Mourinho comes across as quite thick when dealing with the press. He can't handle their questions in a professional and clever manner, so he ends up spouting the endless drivel we hear from him. He's an embarrassment to our club to be honest. The sooner he bogs off the better.

30 Aug 2018 21:22:52
Shappy

I was very clear about Moyes before he was appointed, that is not disingenuous, that is recognising it was the wrong choice before it happened based on my experience of United managers for 50 years and maintaining that position, I didn’t change my position on him one bit. That is not hypocritical.

You say it boils down to personal preference and “You like Jose”. The number of times I have to keep repeating this to you is frightening, doesn’t it sink in? I wanted Pep as a transition from LvG. I don’t particularly like Jose, I respect him and his achievements and he was the only real choice at the time after LvG was dismissed. Right now I am defending our manager not because he is my personal preference but because he and our club is under attack from a press who want a bigger crisis to write about.

I supported LvG on here even when it became toxic and was accused of liking him too (I wanted Klopp) I also supported SAF in the early years. Jred pointing out my “follies”, don’t make me laugh.

30 Aug 2018 22:20:21
I just can't understand how you can't give your support to the manager of our club, before a ball is even kicked. Surely you would get behind him, until it was clear things weren't working out. Especially, with the job that Moyes had stepping into Fergie's shoes. Of all our managers since Fergie, he needed the fans' backing more than any. I can't think of a more important time to give a manager our support.

I didn't want any of the last three as my first choice, but in order to present a 'united front', I'd back them until it became obvious it wasn't working. To say you wouldn't be back near OT while he was in charge, was hardly showing a 'united front'.

As for 'I supported LVG on here even when it became toxic', I seem to remember you did a volte-face pretty sharpish when it became clear he was out of his depth, then put up a long post the next day about why you were withdrawing your support. You can gloss it up all you want, and try to justify it to yourself, but it's hypocrisy pure and simple. The preachy sermons about supporting the manager are just sounding like white noise as a result.

And the whole blaming the press thing is getting really tired, now. José had it coming for years. It's not a concerted attack by the press on our club, it's personal payback for the way he's got on with the media for years. Like I said before, he's a big boy. He can suck it up.

31 Aug 2018 06:47:41
Noucamp

Why should I have got behind Moyes, I said before appointment it was a disaster and it was obviously a terrible error. I knew the impact it would have on the club and in 50 years only relegation was a bigger kick in the teeth than the club appointing Moyes. I stand absolutely behind everything I did and said about him. We have been through this dance before when you posted as steviek, before you were banned.

As for LvG, there became a time when it was untenable and there comes a point when it is no longer possible to support what the manager is doing. Having been down this road before, bar Moyes I support our manager far far longer than the vast majority who call for their head. My love is the club not the manager, always will be even when Busby for the couple of years I remembered, the Doc and SAF was in charge.

31 Aug 2018 07:36:52
Can you honestly not see the hypocrisy.

31 Aug 2018 08:23:42
So you withdraw your support for the club arbitrarily, depending on who the manager is?

31 Aug 2018 12:44:07
Stevie

I have never ever withdrawn my support for the club, ever. I was there through relegation so don’t try to score cheap points. Yes I gave up my season ticket when Moyes was appointed but obviously you aren’t clever enough to realise there might be other reasons as well as Moyes why I had to do so and I don’t have to explain those to you. Those reasons are why I don’t have a season ticket now even though my supposed beloved Mourinho is in charge.

31 Aug 2018 21:31:45
That's fine. But you explicitly stated at the time it was because of Moyes. You made quite a big issue about it. If you come out with comments like that, then don't expect people to rally round one of your support the manager lectures.

Also, for someone who wants to present a United front amongst fans, you seem to enjoy trying to belittle the genuine views of posters who have legitimate concerns about our manager. You're always trying to drive a wedge between the two with snarky comments about those posters.

As for cheap shots, what had me getting banned have to do with this discussion? It was a disagreement with Ed002, not you.

29 Aug 2018 18:20:51
Quite a lot of talk about martial signing a new 5 year deal If true it must be the first sign that Jose's days are numbered
Any of the eds know anything thanks.

{Ed001's Note - it would mean no such thing, the club do not want valuable players to lose value.}

29 Aug 2018 19:36:37
He's already got a year with a further year extension and they still can't sell him for the money they want so don't know why any football player with ambition would sign for a further 3 year knowing the manager doesn't fancy him at all.
Personally don't think it makes sense. Wouldn't mind hearing other posters thoughts
Thanks for the response Ed.

{Ed001's Note - he would sign for his kid's future, as it is a guaranteed income. He would also ensure that a big move would give him the 5% of the transfer fee he gets for not putting in a transfer request. Just a couple of reasons without thinking about it, I am sure I could come up with more if I thought carefully.}

29 Aug 2018 19:47:27
Well if the press are saying it.

29 Aug 2018 20:01:19
That's only 2 excuses I need more for me to be convinced 😂😂😂 only joking ed on the ball as usual thanks.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

29 Aug 2018 21:00:33
Sad to see the press reporting it as Martial signing a new contract because he thinks he'll outlast Mou at the club / or Mou will be gone soon.

30 Aug 2018 08:38:18
It is sad, but to be honest if Martial signs a 5 year deal and stays the length of that contract can anyone see Mourinho outlasting him?

Jose doesn't want to be in Manchester, he hates it. He has lasted two years, the chances of him lasting 4 or 5 are non-existent.

Whether the press hound him out, the board or fans turn on him or Jose jumps ship. He won't be our manager at the start of next season.

30 Aug 2018 11:38:51
Martial is a young lad. We all make mistakes and frankly he is allowed to change his mind and stay at the greatest football club on this earth if they are offering him a good deal and he now realises he should stay.

30 Aug 2018 12:39:43
Bang on eric anybody can habe a change of heart.

30 Aug 2018 17:21:53
Shappy, I'm not concerned about whether Mou lasts more than this year or whether he stays on for the next 2 years. My point is not that, my point is about the press taking up something which is a normal thing and turning into a tabloid thing for eyeballs. That's why I feel it's sad.

29 Aug 2018 13:10:41
Any one think its strange how the Co92 are all defending Jose and the only person to get a name drop recently from Sir Alex was Jose.

They know somethings we don't?

30 Aug 2018 10:46:41
Mourinho To Salford City!

30 Aug 2018 11:38:50
SAF nothing to do with Salford doe. / / O.

30 Aug 2018 11:39:55
Maybe appoint the whole of Co92 as multiple head coaches?

30 Aug 2018 12:32:04
I would, just to shut them up because they would end up sacked like the rest of the managers under Woodwards watch.

29 Aug 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 29th August 2018