Manchester United Banter Archive January 29 2013

29 Jan 2013 22:38:38
hi ed's any of u, I was wondering are all of you guys from scotland(where does all our post's go, do you guys have base in scotland)cheers ed's.zee:) {Ed004's Note - No we are all from all over the place I think all in the Uk though}

Me, Bond, Rjmanutd and Constantine are dwelling in the fresh aired country. I'm sure there are a few others mate.

Jono

True Jono, I know Scotland is a small country but i'm sure it has a bigger population than four;-) lol

Shappy

Thanks four answering ed004 zee:)

29 Jan 2013 22:32:17
If I am not mistaken Strootman shares the same greedy agent as Hazard. The very same agent that wanted £6m from the Hazard deal. I guess we have made a move for Strootman in the past couple of days and his agent is holding us ransom. What a shame, Strootman and Zaha in January for £20m would have been good business. Add a couple established players in the summer and we mean business.

Sydney!

If that is the case syd then it will be a disappointment for Strootman as he will be missing out on joining the biggest club in the world... and left wondering what could have been.. much like hazard is now....

oxred

29 Jan 2013 23:02:48
surely the agent is just the employee of the player. Tell him to get the deal done or sack him.

Strootman agent is chiel dekker, John bico looks after hazard
so I would say it's more likely the simple truth is we never made a move
jred

Ahhh, agent problems again being the hold up, is it?

I guess it's on the phone to Mr Mendes, to see if he's got any young Portuguese or Brazilian lads on his books that we've never heard of.

Why is it only us that has problems with agents? I've not seen any other team call off a deal due to the manager and player's agent not seeing eye-to-eye.

RED_SKY

No name, you would be surprised just how much influence agents have on their clients. I am not completely convinced Pogba wanted to leave. Did Hazard really favour a move to Chelsea? Nasri wanted the United move before his three reps were promised £1.7m each if they 'convinced' him to join City. Agents do have power, especially the high profile agents.

Sydney!

Well said RED_SKY, there's far too much moralising of United's unwillingness to line certain agent's pockets while ignoring the fact that we were a very much part of creating the problem by elevating the status of Mendes in particular. United are not adverse to being involved in transfers in which agents receive massive amounts of money, the only difference is that we prefer that the money goes to our preferred greedy leeches.

Danny Pughnited

Players have more than one representative and I believe both Strootman and Hazard are clients of the agency 'firstelevenISM'.

Sydney!

29 Jan 2013 22:10:00
Hopefully we make a statement of intent tomorrow against Southampton. Back to 7 points tomorrow hopefully

GD

29 Jan 2013 21:54:01
yeeeeeessssssss, well guys fabio and qpr did their job now we need to do our then its back to 7 points lead again ggmu;) my friends me are celebrating the draw and we are lol, and a friend of my who is liverpool fan called me and asked me what he should bet I told him to bet on the swansea game draw and draw on city I think he won and I bet city will loose shoul have know better but who cares united united sorry guys but i'm very very happy that city lost 2 point, just hope we beat southampton and we will beat them glory glory glory united, zee:)lol

29 Jan 2013 21:49:26
They might have let us down at the last day of the previous season, but I would certainly like to salute Arry and his boys for that result. Great for us, City look weaker than last year, and hopefully they will not be able to replace Balotelli in this window. Smells like number 20 lads :)!

ZigZag

29 Jan 2013 21:41:05
Well played qpr that will do nicely :-)
Chris the REDman

29 Jan 2013 20:58:53
Didn't realise it was forbidden to tackle man city players?
If Rooney had kicked out like that the papers/media would be asking for a public hanging.

Supasub {Ed004's Note - It'll be interesting to see if it is in any papers tomorrow. Very lucky man but I don't think it was enough for a red}

Money defo talks, £ity have hat the media licking their backsides for a bit now...its so blatant!

Rouge Diablo :)

29 Jan 2013 20:46:19
Strange how Redknapp has put 2 goalkeepers on the bench tonight

Pardoe

Typical redknapp move that mate, he's a awful football man!
Chris the REDman

29 Jan 2013 19:57:39
According to ESPN, MUFC's top midfield target is Strootman, but that SAF is unhappy with Strootman's agent for some reason. This is why we are looking very hard at Wanyama, apparently, as an alternative.
Anyone know anything more on this?
Mike B.

Mike
No news as such just a point of veiw if this story is correct then this is where saf let's hisself down he gets to personaly involved and has a dislike for a lot of modern day agents if we have identified strootman as the top target then providing saf thinks he can fit into our team then the fact saf doesn't get on with his agent shouldn't stop us signing him let gill deal with the agent and saf deal with the player
onecut

Ed002, can you shed a little light on this here? Is the agent asking for silly money? Is he trying to get Strootman to Italy? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I am sorry but gossip is of no interest to me.}

29 Jan 2013 19:37:26
looking forward to the city game, it would be awesome if they drop points. Love midweek games!
Bren,

29 Jan 2013 19:27:15
Garcia and Lescott at the back for City, c'mon Loic make them look silly! Long shot, I know but we must always have hope :)

Gav

29 Jan 2013 19:11:53
Fabio as a winger for QPR tonight, interesting!

1993

Played as a winger before against Arsenal in FA cup, and played very well.

Mad Hatter

29 Jan 2013 18:47:14
Guys silly question but is the Madrid home leg all sold out? Looking to get my dad a few tickets for his birthday?

Caolán.

Only way to get one is to buy a season ticket, not sure if they are all sold out now as well? Some amazing games left though, Chelsea, city, Madrid at home.

GDS

Hi caolán, I was looking four tickets to real madrid game but that page I was on said it was soldout mate maybe i'm wrong zee.

Cheers GDS might try and get to city game could be the title decider.

Caolán.

29 jan 2013 18:22:46
lucas digne, lille left back arrives in manchester this evening.... where could he be heading! city or united?

Where did you hear this, Digne is a good talented player, but we already have buttner, blackett, evra and out on loan fabio, so I can't see digne joining us, maybe cover for clichy at city!

29 Jan 2013 19:30:14
Kolarov?

Newly crowned Premiership champions Manchester City have identified Digne as a replacement for Kolarov who will join as under-study to fellow countryman Gael Clich. The £7 million rated ace has been scouted by Patrick Vieira several times in recent months, who now heads football development at the Etihad stadium.

29 Jan 2013 17:08:31
hi guys, I was checking how much it will cost me to see united play at old trafford the only game that was not sold out was aston villa game and the full pack will cost around 800 pounds from norway with hotel but it is worth it, but I was thinking it is my first time so it would have been awesome to see united playing one of the top 4 teams or even top 5 team see you guys later need to find out more about any available tickets zee:)

Try and get an FA cup game?

Zee: I have a friend in Norway that has three season tickets. Very good seats. I don't think he has sold every game out.

Dessuten kan han også hjelpe deg med hotell, fly osv. Han reiser opp der flere ganger I året, og har også fikset en kamp til meg, til god pris.

Steffen {Ed001's Note - you might want to double check your spelling when using a translation programme, unless your mate really is a fight fixer? Does he work for the local mob by any chance? Sorry, had to check it wasn't something offensive.}

29 Jan 2013 16:16:17
Looks like the judge in the trial of the Spanish doctor accused of doping Armstrong etc - is refusing to let all the names in his computer that referred to other sportsmen including footballers be released - clearly the Spanish establishment wants a cover up.

Did this chap not "advise" Barca ? Am sure it is all innocent - can not believe they would get up to anything? Can you?

Mike

You mean apart from giving you a footballing lesson

Puzzled

Messi had a growth issue in his youth, what substances help aid growth....

Puzzled - Thought giving football lessons was Oldhams job

Mike

29 Jan 2013 17:34:58
it is fair to say that giggs and scholes have been absolute legends for utd but if we are honest, they have been past their best for probably 5/6 yrs now.

they are still able to put in good performances simply because they were truly great players in their primes (scholes in particular proved just how good he really is when he came back out of retirement last year).

because of this, I don't think we should be looking to replace them as they are now but try and replicate what they gave us when in their peaks

i believe this has already begun, carrick has shown he has the passing ability and composure to control games from a deeper position (scholes current role) but it is kagawa who is better suited to the scholes of old role, (imo more so than rooney) technically brilliant, unlocking defences with deft passes and making late runs into the box providing goal threat.

i believe to get the best from kagawa he must play behind the strikers, even if that is at the cost of rooney, who imo is very over rated and that if he weren't english, would not be held in such regard.

finding a player to replace giggs seems, on the surface, much simpler. there are many wingers who are very quick and skillful but too few fail to live up to their early promise, zaha certainly has the potential and I do not expect any big signing to come in the summer so if nani does leave as expected, he should def get the games to improve further.

it is obvious our midfield needs strengthening, so I predict strootman to come in with perhaps either cabaye or wanyama. I can see rio leaving so another cb (garay maybe) and lewandowski coming in, as to which fwd will leave either rooney (unlikely) or welbeck, rvp won't be going and I can't see us selling hernandez.

dags
p.s. sorry for the long post

While I think kagawa is a fine player with a big future, do you think we would have beaten city at their place if he was playing instead of rooney?

As I believe it unlikely that rooney will leave in the near future, there will obviously be games in which he will be preferred to kagawa in that position

however I would still prefer to play kagawa as he is technically better than rooney and less prone to losing possession so would fit better into this new style that we are adapting into (not to say rooney couldn't)

don't get me wrong, rooney is a very good player but, I do not think he is a world class striker, when on form yes, he can be unstoppable, but like nani his form can be quite erratic (although not nearly to the same extent) however unlike nani, rooney gives 110% in every game which is probably why we rate him so highly.

if you were to ask any football fan to make a fantasy XI, rooney would prob not even make the subs in 9/10 cases

dags

29 Jan 2013 15:56:15
I was talking to my mate in college today (Who is a Liverpool fan) and he said 'I'm not bothered about the Champions League because we've won it 5 times'

I nearly choked on my muffin.

Hoppy

Lol, if that's how it works United may as well retire from football....because we've won the lot!

Gav

29 Jan 2013 14:47:11
I'm really looking forward to watching Fabio play today vs City. If he stays injury free I really think he will be our long term solution to Evra replacement. If he develops like his brother than we will be set for 10 years at LB. I hope QPR can get a point tonight

Id love to see him progress like rafael but i'm not confident he'll do it, once evra retires I think tyler blackett might be on the scene and if he progresses I can see him being our left back for many years, fabio would make excellent competition for him though, be interesting to see what happens in the next few years.

phil

To those disagreeing with Phil...have any of you seen Blackett play? Like when he was part of the FA youth cup winning team at 16.

He's at least as good as Michael Keane who now he has had some good performances for Leicester everyone is jizzing over.

Red Bear

29 Jan 2013 12:14:30
You all so bitter towards the Liverpool mob because apart from being worth £2 billion, having tons of fans and selling a shed load of shirts you are by quite a distance the 2nd best club in England.

Is that what rankles you, their 63 trophies to your 62, their 9 doubles and trebles to your 7 and their 5 Champions league wins to your 3 or maybe the 19 places and 25 points back in '74 when you got relegated.

Thus all your bragging rights are off field as opposed to on field. Once you surpass them on field though you guys can have a real field day.

Or does it go much deeper than that. Just thought we'd all ask. What's your thoughts to 007.

The Anthill Mob. {Ed007's Note - I think you're an idiot.}

Whatever.I think you'll find its 60 for utd & 59 for liverpool.At least get your facts right.We have & always will be perceived as the bigger & more glamorous club.Even when you were winning trophies many moons ago we were more glamorous & still had the highest averges attendances for going on 40 years bar 2 years.Your not famous anymore
Blackpool Red

Btw I forgot to tell you I think you are the bitter one's, you will do any thing to point your fingers at us and when we united fans say any thing about liverpool you start crying, take it like a man we are england's best team now, but I will give you that you guys where big in the old days but past is past, zee;)

Well done you have more trophies than us, congratulations hopefully one day we can brag about that, however why on earth would that make us bitter about our teams current situations?are you telling me you would rather your club be in its current position than ours?Your team is atrocious as shown on sunday and as much as you like to convince yourselfs your moving and the right direction, your not.rodgers is still wasting money just like kenny on below average players who are not going to move your club forward, you brag about the amazing youth coming through, really?sterling after a good start has been average, wisdom has impressed me, suso has looked nothing after you all hailed him as the worlds best young player and coates is just a useless lump. your history may be great but the history your making is nothing but laughable so we'll carry on being successful while you slip further and further away into nothingness.

phil

How are we quite a distance if there is only 1 cup difference between the total amounts?
The Red Manc
P.s I assume maths is not your strong point in school then?

What are u, a spaceman from the past "we are the second big club in england" when was the last time liverpool won the league and how many trophies have liverpool won since 1990, stop living in the past and if you love liverpool that much why don't you take a time machine and travel back to 1986 or something then you can say "we are the second big club in england" its not the old days anymore its 2013 if you don't know, get yourself a life you are just making fun out of yourself, jesus that's the stupidest post I ever have seen, zee

Nearly fell off my chair, absolutely brilliant.

A scouser talking about the past when discussing who the bigger club is, ignoring the clear fact united have won more English league titles.

You might as well have typed the words 'bitter bitter bitter bitter bitter' and just copied it continuously down the page, you would have embarrassed yourself less.

GDS

They aren't champions league trophies. I believe 4 of them are the old European knockout format trophies.
I think you got your trophy count wrong also by at least 1. Remind me how many club world cups/ intercontinental cups do Liverpool have against our 2?
Seeing as its the most prestigious trophy in club football.

Supasub

Thats ok muppet you can have all those trophies all them years back we are still making history, your time as a big club is history!! The treble lol that did make me laugh lol wot all of a suuden the league cup and ufea cup are massive achievements lol go home you tool! How dare you come on our page and talk bollox about summit you prob weren't even born to see lol tylical scouser living in the past again! Yeh your club is sooo big you have to fight southhampton for transfers now lol yeh mate all the top players are cueing up to come ti loserpool
Chris the REDman

Another deluded mickey.I bet you've still got a keegan perm & a picture of Souness on your wall.I bet you still watch thoise betamax videos of the good old days....60 utd 59 Liverpool & we have beaten you more times.Anything else mickey
MUFC 19

29 Jan 2013 17:56:36
we've won more league titles, fa cups and world cups than you. Ok you beat us on league cups not really bothered. You beat us on european cups. But be honest we'd be level if it wasn't for barcelona. I'm confident we'll level with you and beat you over the next decade as we actually manage to qualify for the competition unlike your lot. How many years is it now? In fact you don't even have european football next season, out both cups, no chance of getting top six, seventh might even be beyond you, and your about to get knocked out the europa. Just wait for all those transfer requests come summer. Even your best player of the last decade knows he made a massive mistake in never going to chelsea, you can see the regret on his face after every defeat. Yesterdays men and falling ever further behind. You Never Win Anything.

Yes, that's exactly it. How did you know!

You sir are what 'they' refer to as a Plum.

Gav

Phil

The last thing Liverpool fans thought they could hold onto and brag about was this awesome batch of youth coming through. Trouble is we've just trumped that in one fowl swoop by bringing in the likes of Smalling, Jones, Powell, Zaha and so on. That;s without even mentioning our academy products. So not only are we leagues ahead of them now, we will continue to be so for many years to come!

Gav

29 Jan 2013 16:49:26
heard wanyama would prefer the united move but united would prefer strootman but don't like his agent. Not sure why we couldn't get both in the summer to be honest.

Reading "banter" from Liverpool fans is like being insulted by a mental patient. You can say and think whatever you like, believe your own delusions if you must. At the end of the day it is you wearing the straight jacket and who is locked in the asylum.

TK-Red

Calm down lads - a bit embarrassing to get so worked up over some kid's post

Puzzled

Hes right every1 ignore puzzled posts ;-)
Chris the REDman

Chris the REDman- you're getting better
though that wouldn't be too difficult

Puzzled

Hi ed007, was it rude of me calling him a ****** from the past, I like what you did changeing it from a ******* from the past to spaceman from the past, thanks and if it was another ed who change it thanks to you to zee:) {Ed007's Note - It could have been taken the wrong way Zee, don't worry about it..}

Except for the name of this page, got to be the funniest thing I've seen in along time, well in anthill mob, you managed to get everyone biting here big time haha even the ed007 bit, haha, bitter lot or what, never mind can't wait for them to bottle the championship again and we win it again in the last second haha bottle jobs..... Sergio agueroooooo {Ed007's Note - Oh yes that really is outrageously funny!!! No wonder John Bishop gets on TV.} }

29 Jan 2013 11:45:14
hi guys, can`t wait until tommorow we going to crush southampton:)i just hope we don't underestimate(sorry spelling)them and today city going to loose 3 or 2 points i`m sure so if you guys wanna bet, and the sunderland vs swansea game going to be draw 2-2 or 1-1 but I would have gone four 2-2 and qpr vs city 2-1 to qpr and we going to have 5 points lead who we(united)could make it to 8 points lead by tommorow, ggmu.thats my tip I would love to hear what you guys think about these to, todays games.zee:)

Ive gone with villa to win, wigan to draw, Sunderland to win bristol city to win :-) great odds
Chris the REDman

Very optimistic of you zee, but unfortunately I think we might still be 5 points clear by tomorrow night, with another game out the way.

You apologised for spelling a word correctly by the way ;)

GDS

I've gone for the accumalator of :

Newcastle, Man City, Sunderland, Stoke & Tottenham. The only suspect result I think will be Stoke as Swansea could get something. On for £290 though hopefully!

Fresh!

:)i didn't no that I spelled it rigth gds, thanks btw to let me know about your guys tips about todays match'es:)zee

29 Jan 2013 08:23:02
I'm sorry no nome, but how does the value of the club rising benefit supporters? It's one thing to argue that if the club's profits rise it's a good thing because they could potentially be reinvested in the club. But if United's share price rise this adds nothing. The shares have already been sold and the lion's share of the profits repatriated to Glazer pockets, so if the share price rises all this means is that some investor can make a personal profit if they cash in.

In terms of the overall value of the club rising this is potentially a bad thing. Again the stated value of the club is not the same as annual profits. All it means is that if the Glazers do decide to sell it will require even more money for any perspective owner. Which increases the likelihood that in the event of a sale the buy(ers) would have to resort to a leveraged buyout lumping the club with a potentially vastly greater debt.

Danny Pughnited


I may be being very naive here and do not claim to be an expert but surely the club being valued more is because it is making more money.
If it is making more money then at least there is more money available to spend.
I agree that doesn't mean that it will get spent as it may well just go into the pockets of the glazers but at least there will be options.
Surely that has to be a good thing and puts us in a much better place than a club that has very little available to spend and still needs to satisfy their owners whether they are private or shareholders.

I am not saying the glazers are the best thing that happened to united but I don't think they are the worst either.
The way in which they bought the club is shocking to say the least but to be fair they have worked wanders to improve the business side (like it or not that matters) and are paying the debt off quite quickly.
I also think ( probably wrong though) that they have been quite generous with the funds for players. We seem to have spent quite a lot but recouped very little by selling players obviously apart from Ronaldo.



Karllap

The valuation. Of the club is primarily speculative. The club hasn't been listed for sale so there is no actual value. Instead either financiers or stock exchanges speculate about what a perspective buyer may be willing to pay. Speculation is based around things like share price, current assetts, current profitability, but is far more concerned with projected future earnings. This means that the most important thing in regard to speculative valuation is how much money the company is likely to make in the short and long term future. However, for those of us living through a (triple dip?) recession should probably know, the speculative futures market often prone to massive errors in inflating projected returns.

The Glazers are very good a making money from the club. I'm not sure if this is a reflection on their business acumen considering so many of their other businessess are failing. But they do bring in a lot of money to their ManU business. However, bringing in money for their business is not the same as bringing in money for the club. Their goal will always be to make as much money as possible. We do have funds but not nearly as much as clubs with less profits, for example, Bayern Munich. Also they pay off the debt because it's in their interest. If they pay off the debt they can start taking serious dividends. Plus if they were really committed to eliminating the debt they would have used the share money, like they said they would, instead of pocketing the majority.

The Glazers's primary interest is to make money from the club. Thy want on pitch success because this is key to making money. But they also want on pitch success at the lowest possible operating cost because that's how businesses function. By the time they sell the club, if they ever actually do, they will have pocketed something approaching $4 billion without spending a cent of their own money. In any other context that would be called a heist, in the world of business it's called entrepreneurial spirit.

Danny Pughnited

Karllap

They are not paying the debt off Manchester United are.
Remember it was the Glazer debt in the first place not the clubs.

Simmo

There is nothing stopping them taking dividends now. They are well within their rights to do so. Paying off debt is beneficial for many reasons, one being it lowers the interest rates. Less money paid out means more cash flow. What they do with that extra cash flow is evident today, we have revamped Carrington, purchased land and property around OT and we have been spending far more than previous years on players. I just hope this continues.

Sydney!

Cheers for the reply's guys, good interesting debate without us having a go at each other.
I still think they aren't the worst owners in the world, ultimately they are business men so obviously want to make money but if you look at other owners out there (except sugar daddies) they ain't bad.

Simmo, unfortunately mate like it or not they own Manchester United so they are paying the debt of.

karllap

I'm with Syd. The spending has been there in the last 2 years since the debt has come down to a more managebable level. I too just hope that level of spending now continues, there's no reason why it shouldn't given the current accounts. So long as the level of investment remains healthy I don't see much point worrying about the rest (what happened in the past, what will happen in the future) as it's an inevitability that no amount of worrying about will fix.

Gav

29 Jan 2013 08:00:17
I notice on the MUFC Website they keep mentioning that Rio Ferdinand has never won the FA Cup, this has been brought up numerous times by certain players and even SAF. I have a feeling we will go all out to win it not just for the club but for him to finally taste a little bit of FA glory.

I believe Rio will be gone in the summer and a replacement will be brought in for him, Zouma or Ogbonna in mind.

And as SAF has mentioned that all 4 strikers are giving him trouble when selecting, maybe he should try and 4-3-1-2 with Rooney behind Chicha and RVP. I think this would be a deadly partnership, Welbeck can chip in too if needed.

-JakeW

29 Jan 2013 00:56:37
ok guys and ed's good night and ed007 I hope I don't get overran by zombie in my dreams:) cheers mate:)zee

28 Jan 2013 23:59:25
This is hilarious a united fan calling up 5live pretending to be a liverpool fan after the oldham match.
Sulei

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6h9dXzsVu8

Where's the proof it's a United fan?

Just sounds like a Liverpool fan who knows what they are talking about to me.

Sydney!

"fan who knows what they are talking about"

Syd, I think that proves it wasn't a Liverpool fan mate.

Melbourne CFC

Melbourne, good point.

Sydney!

I think cleverly done by a united fan, the way he kept on saying we have to stop blaming sir Alex. And getting rid of suarez...definitely wasn't a liverpool fan!

Sulei

Classic. At one point I think you can just make out he notices his accent slipping to starts his next sentance with a Carragher style over-the-top twang. Whoever he is though, speaks plenty of sense, you gotta give him that ;)

Gav