Manchester United Banter Archive June 29 2012

29 Jun 2012 23:36:32
So do you guys think, that with our current squad we will be able to compete with the big clubs, please understand that under no circumstance I am underestimating ManUtd ability to win, it just seems that even with the two new signings we are still not at the same level as the big clubs, Next season PL will definitely be more difficult with the rising of Chelesa, and of course Manchester city. Opinions?.

We are the biggest of "The big clubs" what you on about

Pardoe

29 Jun 2012 21:24:29
--------------de gea--------------
Valenica--Anderson-cleverly--Rafael
-----nani---kagawa---young-----
----welbeck--rooney--hernandez

There you go a formation to suit the fans who want us to buy and play sneijder and kagawa on the same team ;p

I really hope we get Modric though...

1redarmy

Barcelona hav played this year many times with mascherano and busquets at cb. as long as u have players who can are good tacklers and good in the air u kinda dont need cbs if u outplay them with possesion.even the italians against the spaniards played derossi at cb. also important to have two good wing backs and that made me wanna see us play a formation of this type against barcelona in the friendly
_____________degea______________
___smalling__derossi/martinez__vidic
valencia___cabaye_______modric___nani
_________________kagawa___________
_______chicha/welbz_____rooney______

That's all good and well but.........where's sneijder ?

Discountdave

I thought for a moment you were being serious. I'm obviously very slow tonight.

Welsh Dragon

Why not anderson in net and play modric?

Ste-Utd

Why were is sneijder in your formation

Yet you forget to include Sneidjer in your team... FAIL in so many ways

Haha a couple of you think I'm serious, nani a wing back? Left sneijder out as we don't have him.

1redarmy

Yet you forget to leave a name, fail in so many ways, the point was these people want as many attacking players on the pitch as possible not that we are going to sign sneijder.

1redarmy

Because we don't have him... Why when did we get de rossi/martinez?

fearny

Fearny, when did i put Rossi and Martinez in my line up, that wasn't my post, my post was full of our players....

1redarmy

29 Jun 2012 16:55:50
I'm level with Syd in Dream Team. I would love it, just love it if I beat Syd.

G.A.G.U.S

Im 2nd Overall! and 5 players playing in the final . . . bonucci, marchisio, alba, iniesta and torres! Pardoe is a point ahead but with only with alba, barzalgi and iniesta in the final! bring it home!

Ste Dee COYBIG!

So what you mean is you have 4 players playing in the final (Torres) ;)

Fred

29 Jun 2012 14:17:06
If I could pick one player to buy during the summer it would be Javi Martinez I would gladly give up the rest we have rumoured to be buying just for him! just wondering.. is there any chance we are going to get him this summer? eds? syd? anyone? would love to see him at OT and I think if there's a chance we could get him then he should be THE priority! Just my opinion!

Jamal

Not been on the site for a while, and apart from the bizarre Mango post from Sydney it's good to see that nothing's changed!!

Yes-we all want JM! (doubt he'll come though ;)

DodgyBanter

29 Jun 2012 13:08:27
Thought I'd open up a controversial debate...

If we assume United are going to move to a more mobile 4-3-3 next season, and given their form over the last 12 months, does anybody think Welbeck might replace Rooney at the head of the formation before the end of 2012/13?

Personally, I rate Welbeck highly and if he continues to develop at the rate he has, I think his mobility and "close-in" creativity (back-heels, flicks etc) could see him move past Rooney sooner rather than later. In fact, if he was as good a finisher as Rooney is now, I think Wayne might already be struggling to keep him out.

DarkLard08

I expect rooney to be sold at some point.

Cretins and the Emu.

I completely agree, Welbecks first touch passing surpasses rooneys even now,

good post i with you 100%

Cban

So you are suggesting that Welbeck is better than Rooney, based on what exactly?

Form over the last 12 months? Rooney scored and created more than Welbeck, a lot more. I rate Welbeck, we have had many discussion on here about him and I think he is going to be a great player, but better than Rooney by the end of the year, I am guessing you will get a lot of disagree clicks here!

GDS

Think the point was Welbeck, over the course of next season will become 1st choice as spear head of the attack. I think Welbeck is better that Rooney at the mo with his back to goal.

Make of that what you may.

Cban

Maybe in 2-3 years time when Rooney starts to decline and Welbeck around 23-24 but surely not at the end of 12-13 season.

Devil for Life

I not sure what im more surprised at , the fact you think welbeck will be better than rooney in 12 months times or the fact that people have agreed with you
jred

GDS

I didn't say he was a better player, although I think he brings greater creativity to us currently than Rooney. There have been plenty examples in the past of brilliant individual players ending up restricting the way we play (I'm not saying that is the case with Rooney, by the way), e.g. RVN - immensely talented player, but by the end of his time with us we were a better team with Saha in because he linked better with the other players.

My personal view of Rooney is that his form has been poor for 18 months now, with only flashes of his previous brilliance. Some of his fire seems to have gone out - as shown by his vastly improved disciplinary record. Whether it's because he needs a new challenge, because he's been playing carrying injuries, because he's been taking too much onto his own shoulders or because he's actually burning out (because he played so much so young) only the next year or so will tell.

Welbeck's overall contribution to the team was not far beneath Rooney's last season, but he didn't come close to matching Wayne's goal-getting.

The post was designed to create a reaction anyway. I do think it's a debate that's coming if Rooney doesn't get back towards his form of 2009 though.

DarkLard08

Is this the joke of the day you have made laugh reading yours and cban post

Ross

Rooney scored around 25 goals this season without even playing striker. We are a much better team when he plays and I expect the same for the next couple of seasons.

Hoppy

I think Rooney might be sold next summer. He will have two years left on his contract and I think someone like PSG will bid for him. If PSG do well in the UCL and win their domestic league then with talent on show at PSG I think Rooney may be tempted. I think SAF will get the last laugh regarding Rooney and the way he went about getting a new deal. Whatever happens next summer will be interesting regarding Rooney simply because he will have just two years left on his contract. He will either sign a new one or be sold.

I think Welbeck is a good player which can become great over the next couple of seasons, but he is too different to Rooney to compare the two. But obviously Rooney is the better of the two. What is interesting is if Danny can hit 20 goals next season and not be the penalty taker, I think that is something to think about. Rooney had 9+ penalties this season. If Danny was the penalty taker then could he get 30 goals a season? We will know more this time next summer I am sure.

Have a good night lads, I will as I am out on the pedalo tonight ;)

Sydney!

Rooney isn't good. People keep saying this because he's English. The English media hypes him up to feel equal to the likes of Spain, Brazil, Italy, Germany etc. Rooney isn't good enough to play in the "hole" he cannot pass a through pass that picks the lock of a stubborn difference. Say what you'll will, but England will never win anything again until the philosophy is changed. Welbeck is more skillful than Rooney. Only time will tell.

diego

What in the name of sweet dancing Jesus is everybody going on about?? Rooney's our best striker since King Eric.

Red Spark

RED Spark

You say Rooney is the best "striker" since King Eric.
Really? How so? is he better RVN, The baby face Assassin? As a all rounded player and a forward he does well, but we have gotten far better strikers since King Eric.

diego

I'm with red spark on this although rvn was also very good but rooneys the best striker we have had for a while far better than welbeck.
Would you call Ronnie a striker
Jred

Yes Rooney is better than Welbeck now. Give the boy a few more seasons and we'll see how he progresses. My point though is that we have had better "Strikers" since King Eric. Rooney isn't lethal/clinical enough to lace RVN or ole gunnar solskjaer boots. I realize that supporting Man Utd has clouded many of our supports judgments when talking about a particular player. Rooney is very good but not exceptionally good. I would consider Ronnie as a striker and he's far better than Rooney and he's after Cantona.

diego

Diego,

I quote from you:

'Rooney isn't good'

I also quote from you

'Rooney is very good'

I am confused, is Rooney good or not, I have a feeling you don't really know what you are talking about or possibly had a few too many Friday night winos!

GDS

29 Jun 2012 12:32:16
Am I the only man in the country who thinks that SAF should retire now.

Not quite got it; see the loss at Wigan, and losing control of the Cold Trafford match v Everton

Scouse

G.A.G.U.S

No, I'd imagine there's quite a lot of other people on Merseyside and in North and West London who'd like to see him retire as well.

Personally, I think finishing 2nd on goal difference only with the squad / team we had last season proves the opposite - that it definitely isn't time for him to retire. And that's without taking into account important factors like "loyalty" and "gratitude".

When Fergie took over, I'd have taken just one league title. Just one. The problem with you young whippersnappers is you've been spoilt,

DarkLard08

Yeah you are.. he just need a tactical number 2 (no jokes) to help him out, carlos would be the best option.

JK92

You must be joking, Sir Alex is the best manager there as ever been and allways will be,am 37 years old and i know in my life time no club will ever have a manager like him he is an absolute legend more so for man u but also for the english game,i just dont get why you want him to retire mate am an Everton fan and was at old trafford for the 4 4 game and yes i was made up but to be honest we were lucky.My last point is you only lost the league on goal difference bloody goal difference and you want the great man to retire,sorry mate but you are a joke to your club. Terry blue

There is a lot of Everton fans on here today which makes me wonder if they have heard something about Baines?

Sydney!

Terry blue,

I dont think he is a joke to our club, he isn't a United fan if he thinks like that, as GAGUS said, probably a scouser!

If not, then a very spoilt fan, possible glory hunter. I am only 25 and have been lucky to have such success at the club I love, but like DarkLard said, we would have taken 1 premier league trophy when Fergie took over. Anyone who doesn't appreciate where United are now is either too young to remember the bad times or a glory hunter!

GDS

Sydney-- No not heard anything about baines,i personally think he will stay with us mate,the reason why am on your page is am a football fan { probally to much } and i go on all the prem teams pages just to see who other teams are after and gossip but when i seen that one of your own fans wants a legend like Sir Alex to retire i just had to say something because the man is a genious.By the way sidney some of your fans go on are page to mate and leave good comments its football mate. Terry blue

Terry, I am sure you would agree that the Liverpool page is comedy gold.

Sydney!

I agree Sydney there site is so funny with the most deluded fans ever, if i have had a bad day or the misses doing me head in i go on there site to have a laugh and to cheer myself up..Have a great season Sydney i hope you make it 20 leagues mate. Terry blue

I hope you can get off to a good start next season (after the UTD game of course) as you always finish strong. You have kept Moyes, Fellaini looks set to stay and Barkley will play a lot more next season. Keep Rodwell fit and you could have a good season if you can start well. You do not need to worry about incoming players if you can retain the one's you have. Try and get Pienaar and one or two cheap gems like Kranjcar or perhaps Joe Allen and kick on.

Sydney!

29 Jun 2012 11:08:38
people say that manutd cant compete in the transfer mkt is totally untrue. 40 million for modric does not make sense, both fellaini and moutinho or alacantra would cost around 40 million or slightly above 40 million which makes economic sense and adds grit to our midfield. lets not forget the fair play rule and 2midfielders adds more depth at midfield. moutinho has wat it takes to play at a higher level than modric. we also need enforcements at leftback baines, is perfect cos of premier league experience. then we re good to go

People need to forget about the £40m Modric price-tag. He will not go for that amount. United, RM or PSG will end up paying less than £30m in the end.

Sydney!

29 Jun 2012 09:02:24
Ashley Young to Sunderland with Stephen Sessegnon coming to Old Trafford.

Plays the Kagawa position but is 5 years older than him, plus Ashley Young must be worth about 10 million more.

Red Spark

Ashley Young won't leave after 1 season. In parts he was outstanding last year! I think someone is overreacting to Euro 2012!

Hobbes

You actuall think that Sessegnon is better than Ashley Young??
Not a chance!

Simmo

28 Jun 2012 22:09:08
I'm just wondering what people would think of the scenario below... it seems possible to me. Would you think this would have been a good or bad summer?

Out - Berbatov, Owen, Anderson, Nani, Evra

In - Kagawa, Rodrigues, Izaguirre, Powell, Strootman, Cabaye

My personal view would be that our first team would be stronger as a result.

On a side note - do any regular posters think our long-term interest in Izaguirre is still alive? Or are we just considering Baines? I think Izaguirre is the better player. And Celtic could always pick up a replacement from Rangers...

DarkLard08

If we did sell Nani which I hope we don't, we should sign Rodriguez.

RedDevil7

Looks good, although i'd expect Evra to stay and only one midfielder to be signed so it would be Strootman or Cabaye not both. But if we got both I wouldn't complain.

Shappy

Neither strootman or cabaye are better than Cleverley and anderson( if fit)!
So why spend £18mill plus to go sideways?
Utd utd

Shapps Although you are probably going to be right come September I really think we need 2 CMers as new signings.

For 2 reasons really.

1. We NEED at least 1 new player in there. One with good age, ball retention, passing range, defensive awareness and bite (aka Yohan Cabaye ;-).

2. The main reason for a second signing is that we have Cleverly who is really having his first seaon again, Ando who is constantly injured, Fletch who we can have no guarantees on playing never mind reaching his old levels again, Giggs/Park/Jones playing out of position and getting found out with Petrucci and Tunners 1 year maybe more off a starting berth. So if Pogba confirms he is off we can only rely on 2 seasoned CM'ers in Scholes and Carrick which is a disgrace really for a club of our stature.

Madrid and Barca have CMers coming out of their ears yet we fail to get a core of 4 fit ones with enough quality to not have a massive effect on the style of play when we change personnel. If we got 2 of Cabaye, Moutinho, Strootman, Mods, Thiago, M'Vila or our old favourite Vidal it would open up our options hugely and give our CM a much needed shot of new blood to mix it up a bit and most importantly an improvement on our other options.

Jono

Excellent post! Couldn't agree more!

Langers

Cleverley has only played a handfull of 1st team games for us but people seem to think he is world class.he might turn out to be a very good player but at the moment he is a work in progress,lets see how he,s developed after a full season before putting too much pressure on him.
johndenton

Personally I think, right now, most of the midfielders being mentioned are better than Anderson and Cleverly. Cleverly might end up being better than them, but isn't there yet. Anderson hasn't come close to demonstrating the required application (on and off the pitch) on a regular enough basis and I don't think he can be trusted against quality opposition.

I think the likes of Strootman and Cabaye would be proud to be given the opportunity to play for United, and that makes a big difference to me. The jersey has to mean something special to the players. Strootman has the potential to develop into a really high quality player, as does Cleverly. Cabaye is a better all-round player than anybody else we have in the centre currently, and would bring creativity to the team.

I don't think Rodriguez would be an improvement on Nani, but I do suspect Nani is on his way.

Izaguirre I personally rate very highly indeed. Since his comeback from injury he has shown his standard hasn't dropped. I'd see him as a more dependable option than Evra, although we might lose something going forward.

DarkLard08

Do Barca & Madrid have more how would they do if zavi iniesta thiago/alonso Ozil & khedera out for 3/4 of season they wouldn't have pushed city all the way or blow up as we did
Time to realise how sir Alex manages to keep us in the frame having to bring scholes out of retirement I'm amazed how well we did
Utd utd

As good as Strootman is he is only about 6 months further along the line of development than Cleverley and is unproven in the prem. I think he'd be a good signing but I don't see the point of bring him in with another CM as it would only hinder Cleverleys development. Carricks are main man with Fletcher apparently looking like at least making a good go at a come back, add to that Cleverley Scholes Anderson Giggs Jones Tunnicliffe and Petrucci thats potentially nine midfielders on the books before we sign anyone else. Sir Alex has huge faith in these players which is why only one.more.midfielder will be bought.

Shappy

Shappy

I don't think Anderson has a future at the club. Scholes and Giggs won't be with us long-term and I think Fergie wants to start planning for their absence. Tunnicliffe isn't ready for first team action, and Petrucci won't be until the back half of the season.

So I wouldn't be surprised with 2,

DarkLard08

Shapps

I see where you are coming from with regards to having potentially 9 cm's there but in reality Giggs and Park are terrible in the middle, Jones could play CM but it is not the position he has developed in so far and look at how that attempted change worked with Smith and Ando, Petrucci and Tunners (who I have high hopes of) can surely not be thrust into the first team if SAF has put Welbeck and Clevs away on a couple of loans first especially Petrucci after a year out injured? They would be CMers for CC games I think with not that much effect on the first team.

With Fletch's illness I have read that sportsmen can reach peaks again but on a case by case basis there is no defined recovery process that if followed the person will be fighting fit again. That is a kind of illness that I personally do not hold out much hope for him returning in a playing capacity to the previous level he was at. Even more disappointingly for me as that effects the Scotland team also.

Clev is still just a prospect as he has not had the run without injury yet but I am sure he will make it, Scholes will last only 1 more year but we cannot rely on him alone again this year.

Carrick is fine but Ando I do not think will make the needed change to make him a top player for us and so after the amount of time invested we should look to move him on now.

So with Carrick and Scholes (for one more year) the only options we have that can produce for definite the performances we need for our top level we need 2 more and cut the deadwood like Ando, Park etc IMO.

Jono

28 Jun 2012 23:50:48
What do people think of Khedira? I don't remember him being a guaranteed starter Madrid last season he is a box to box midfielder with a great presence on the pitch

Motd fever!

GDS