Manchester United Banter Archive June 29 2015

29 Jun 2015 22:27:14
All of those people complaining about paying £28m+ for Sergio Ramos. can you imagine how they'd react if we were back in 2001 signing Ferdy again for 30m!

30 Jun 2015 00:41:15
Yes joefletchy. He didn't turn out too badly either did he. Rio was pound for pound a Thomas Hearns equivalent in Cb terms.in his prime for a few years. Actually he was Thomas Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard in one.

29 Jun 2015 21:46:27
Still can't see it happening, but bored of all this complaining about the price we would be paying for Sergio Ramos.

It is an unbelievable task trying to sign a World Class centre-back at this moment in world football.

Ramos, who is world class - nobody can deny - may well be available. With the experience he has, and the potential to play 3/4 years at the top, commanding our back line, I for one will not be complaining.

And I don't understand why people care so much, we can afford it, and it's not your money so stop whinging.

29 Jun 2015 22:15:11
Totally agree MPez. There's a reason we have an official Diesel engine partner. Time to start spreading the love.

29 Jun 2015 22:22:54
agree. Imagine his influence on our young CB's and how they potentially can become so much better.

29 Jun 2015 23:00:36
could have a cantona effect, it's not every day you sign a player who's won everything you can win as a player.

29 Jun 2015 22:37:16
i wrote a post the other day about ramos and in my opinion there isn't a cb in the prem at the minute better than ramos,

the thing i love is that we have acted first with regards to madrid(they want dea gea but have yet to bid) and the fact he has said he wants to leave puts us in a perfect position,

no one wants a player who has said he wants to leave the club and the only club he wants to go is united. perfect situation for us in my opinion.


his buyout clause isn't looking like it matters at the minute, get ramos for peanuts and sell dea gea for a wad win/win for us :).

29 Jun 2015 20:27:00
I am certain there will be more signings and departures once the window opens but I have a feeling they may not be marquis names. This is not necessarily a problem, because we have some of those already, they just need to perform like it. Last year the timing was frequently missing and as a result we did not attack with the pace necessary to break down resolute defences. I imagine Depay was purchased for this purpose, and if a midfield core of Schneiderlin and Herrera can fuse well with and in form Di Maria, Rooney and Depay, we could start to see the dynamic approach we expect from a United side. Mata and Fellaini may end up as situational rather than automatic first team choices.

In central defence, the new contracts handed to Smalling and Jones indicate some faith in them, and one never knows, they could yet blossom into the partnership SAF must have envisaged. The talk now is of Coleman and I think he would be a good acquisition. He's an authentic right back with some attacking and scoring flair. He and Rafael, if he stays and remains healthy, should be able to provide all the strength we need in that department. Valencia and Young will be excellent squad players and essential reinforcements if we progress in Europe and other cup competitions.

The most important issue is cover for Carrick, since clearly, without him we were just an average team. Other than that we have an excellent squad already. What needs to change is team understanding, confidence and expectation, because if we want to challenge for the title we have to score at least 15 more goals than we have the last 2 years. Hopefully with a year under his belt, LVG will be able to unlock those x factor requirements because they are what turn the 0-0s and 0-1s into 1-0s and 2-1s come January and February.

29 Jun 2015 20:47:49
I'm not too much of a fan of this buying to flex our muscle policy, especially on big wages and entering their 30's we will end up like city with a problem getting our books ok and moving players on. I'd be happy with Coleman, Otamendi, Schneiderlin and depay, if we add another midfielder the great.

29 Jun 2015 20:56:21
Someone b4 questioned why go near £30m for 29yr Ramos, when you can get 21yr old Laporte for around the same price??. It makes sense, and apparently Real are going to sign him as Ramos replacement.

29 Jun 2015 21:04:22
WelshRed Devil

Do you feel your choice of 2 defenders one midfield player and a winger will increase our goal tally enough to challenge for the title? We lack a quality forward and as I have said a few times Rooney scores in bursts.

29 Jun 2015 21:04:49
If the recent news is to be believed, we might have a marquee new CB in the next week or so.

29 Jun 2015 21:21:04
Yes I do, a compact and trusted defensive unit will allow players further forward to express themselves more, confidence is a massive thing in the creative/flair players. I've said in the past about Rooney, I don't wanna go there again lol, and agree we need a new striker too but I think it depends if RVP leaves.

29 Jun 2015 21:28:11
Agree with Redman, we will definitely try and sign a major striker, which might end up being our biggest summer transfer. Falcao was not a coincidence and we are definitely in the market for a striker since last year.

RVP and Rooney will not score enough goals for a club who traditionally has always had some of the best strikers in the league or Europe.

29 Jun 2015 21:35:25
Welsh Red Devil

RVP is finished at the top level in a league as tough as ours. He has no pace and watching him on the odd occasion he was fit last year showed decline. If we can clear him off our books we should do. Hernandez plays well on balls slid across because he has good movement but can be ineffective and get lost within a game. Rooney scores in bursts and doesn't dominate opposition defences like a real centre forward does, he tends to drop off and look for the ball. So we go with Wilson?
We need a top striker, LVG has said so and to compete we need someone dangerous up front.

29 Jun 2015 23:02:47
I would certainly be up for a new striker. I agree RVP is past his best and hopefully he will be moved on. Benzema could be a good option because he can occupy the CBs allowing room for flair players to operate. I think he'd fit in well in an LVG system assuming the Depays and Di Marias are functioning on all cylinders. Given the team he's in now, he's never been required to be the leading goal scorer but being used to this type of role I think he would be better than Rooney in it. I'm sure we'd all prefer and Aguero type who can manufacture his own chances, but who's available as good as that, and wants to come to us?

The additional signings I expect to see will be a right back, a center back, a CM and possibly another forward, though whether it's a wing or a CF I'm not sure. In a 4-3-3 you need goal scorers across the front as well as goals from midfield. Towards the end of the season Herrera showed the way in this respect and I think he will be even better this coming season. If Schneiderlin is coming in he will provide a bit of extra weight in midfield. Vidal would be a fine acquisition but rumours seem to indicate he's Arsenal bound. He's a terrier and I think he would do really well in England.

30 Jun 2015 12:06:58
That was me Patzi! I would prefer signing Laporte from Bilbao than Ramos! At 21, the experienced Frenchman would be ideal! Sell Rojo, although I admire his passion for the game and Utd! Get in Varane appose to Ramos, CB pairing for years!

29 Jun 2015 19:19:16
CTR,

Is that you next to me fishing in the merseyside? Don't think banter is their strong suit, they are very angry towards us though, quite strangely so.

29 Jun 2015 19:30:12
There are actually some of us there capable of banter . Problem is it gets lost in alk the whining 😕
I could probably visit your page but that'd be too hot to handle ain't it?

29 Jun 2015 19:32:19
I don't know what your on about GDS 😋

29 Jun 2015 20:32:55
Reet, I think they are referring to the bitter Blue side

29 Jun 2015 20:42:51
Ajh

Actually ctr today popped up on our page giving a hint about his affair with Hernandez

29 Jun 2015 22:02:21
Former affair dags2! Thanks for spilling that! Now I will have to dealt the paps

29 Jun 2015 18:58:34
Just wanted to make a post about a few things that seem to be happening or interested me.
1. As you all know it looks like schneiderlin is set to join us, honestly for the fee being touted I think it will be a very good addition, someone said he's like a cross between carrick and Herrera and I can't seem to disagree with that, really hope it goes through.

2. Gaitan. (I know, sorry) we've been linked for years and a lot of people dismissed it when it was brought up in the media recently, and I don't blame them, but ed002 has said that there is a "tentative agreement" between between the player/club and us. Now I know there's other areas we need to improve first but he is a decent player and if we had genuine interest in Firmino them why not Gaitan? Two very similar players. So I wouldn't be suprised at all if there was some truth in this.

3. Right back. Personally I'd like to see us give Varela a chance over pre season, although it's a gamble because if he doesn't perform then it leaves it a bit late to get a new rb in and we'll end up paying through the roof. For me I'm happy to give Valencia and varela a go until January as if we improve our cm they will get a bit more protection anyway, and there's always jones smalling and mcnair who can fill in there.

4. Centre back. Fingers crossed for otamendi to be sorted out after the copa America, but his Valencia partner mustafi has been of interest from real and barca. I brought him up a couple of weeks ago but there were mixed responses but surely if he's attracting interest from them he's worth a punt.
If anyone has opinions or info on any of these points let me know, cheers.

29 Jun 2015 19:22:39
Some good points , think a rb is definitely needed tho!!!

29 Jun 2015 16:37:56
I am a little sad to see cech move to arsenal. Top signing and would have been the ideal replacement for de gea. I wonder if we were interested in cech and was did we lose out on him because de gea situation has not been sorted out

29 Jun 2015 17:07:32
Apparently he wanted to stay in London because he and his family are settled there, if that's right then we didn't have much of a say in it.

29 Jun 2015 17:51:49
Ed said we were never interested I still belive valdes will be number 1

29 Jun 2015 15:14:42
See sky spts are reporting that schwien may stay at munich as he is motivated by the chance of winning a 4th successive title. Since the german league is probably the most uncompetitive in europe with munich being head and shoulders above everyone else i would suggest that we forget about him and focus on schneiderlin instead even if it is no easier to spell!!

29 Jun 2015 15:26:01
Now is the time to test Bayern with a bid for Javi Martinez after that Schwei statement.Can play in a number of positions --perfect

29 Jun 2015 15:36:26
Fantastic player and will be amazingly good in our league, but if wants to stay at Bayern then that's his decision.

29 Jun 2015 16:11:55
I have to agree about Javi Martinez - a fantastic player and very versatile.

29 Jun 2015 12:23:24
Almost all of you seemed to forget that our best right back is Rafael. I prefer him over Valencia and Varela. I haven't seen a news that LVG wants to ofload him or other teams shown interest. I'm sure that LVG had Rafael as his first choice RB last year, though he was injured all season and at the end he wasn't fit enough to play games other than U21s. I really think he is a very good player and think he should play at least next season as well.

29 Jun 2015 12:35:14
I agree he is a good player, a bit too injury prone and very rash in tackles at times, but think he adds a lot more than Valencia most of the time.

29 Jun 2015 13:05:04
He wasn't injured all season. Simple fact is that LVG doesn't rate him and consistently picked Valencia over him.

I can't see how anyone still thinks Rafael is a solution to our RB problem. He hasn't grown as a player over the last few seasons, he hasn't sorted out his disciplinary problems, and, most importantly, he is incapable of staying off the treatment table for longer than a month.

The lad will be 25 years old when the season starts and, despite his promise a few years ago, he just isn't good enough or reliable enough.

29 Jun 2015 13:20:47
He is our best, but he is not favored by LVG and can never stay fit. There have been no rumours of him being sold though so he may well be here next season.

29 Jun 2015 13:24:39
Putting the end of the season aside, when did Valencia been picked over Rafael ?

29 Jun 2015 13:40:33
Yeah, Danny, just 130 days an 16 games out.
Days
Games missed
14/15 Fractured Rib Apr 20, 2015 Jun 1, 2015 42 days 5Manchester United
14/15 Muscle Injury Oct 30, 2014 Dec 8, 2014 39 days 6Manchester United
14/15 Groin Injury Jul 25, 2014 Sep 12, 2014 49 days 4Manchester United

29 Jun 2015 13:45:37
Ziko, while Rafael is probably our best RB when fit, your stat shows he was injured for around half the season. What about between December and April? You're stats show he was fit so why wasn't he picked? This shows LVG doesn't rate him.

29 Jun 2015 14:03:13
If only everyone was so diligent in disproving their own arguments. Very courteous of you Ziko.

29 Jun 2015 14:15:03
Haha Danny that was too easy for you mate!

29 Jun 2015 17:21:57
Rafael should have been sold with his brother IMO he is still making the same mistakes he was 6 years ago. He scores much less than Coleman and is pretty poor in the final third has poor ball retention and an awful injury record. One of y east favourite players over the AST 10 years there is at east a dozen better RBs in the ell and half a dozen better than him in the championship and 3 better than him at united

29 Jun 2015 12:15:27
Skysports reporting vidal rumours to arsenal are way off the mark and swienstieger talking about wanting to win more with bayern . So maybe shniederlin and possibly still vidal. Would be 2 huge signings , add Coleman and one of the 3 world class centre backs we've been linked with and we will be sorted. I see no reason to buy a striker , keep rvp, chica and wilson as back up for wazza

29 Jun 2015 15:37:05
RVP is a injury in the waiting and we need a top striker and hernandez does not fit LVG system at all.

29 Jun 2015 16:25:23
Can't see any world class strikers who'd be willing to sit on bench every week because in a 4-3-3 formation we only need 1 striker. Who do you think would be happy to join knowing that's the situation theyl be in?

29 Jun 2015 11:04:52
It is being reported that schneiderlin is having a medical today. Not sure of the validity of the source, but thought I would pass it on.

29 Jun 2015 11:11:39
He's just been pictured heading into Southampton's training ground Huggy, hopefully it's to say goodbye!

29 Jun 2015 11:24:55
Doubt it as he turned up to saints training ground for pre season today, think it's only a matter of time though.

29 Jun 2015 11:45:24
Unless he is having it at Southampton's training ground i doubt it, he has been pictured at southampton training this morning.

29 Jun 2015 12:40:59
Heard bets on him joining utd. have been suspended.

29 Jun 2015 13:12:51
They wouldn't book a medical for a player until they had agreed in principle to buy him for a certain fee and then got permission to send him for medical tests.

29 Jun 2015 09:52:11
I've noticed a bit of ADM bashing.

Granted he hasn't set the world alight in his first season and I'll add I was totally against his signing due to his theatrics in Spain but that hasn't been a big issue. One thing I have noticed is his constant mom performances for Argentina in and amongst being benched for us. It's led me to one outcome. He and his style is too fast for the current players set up we have.

His top season for real and Argentina teams are all blessed with players of similar speedy play that he can match up to and play off. I think the Depay signing will help but we need the number 10 role up to that pace aswell. So either Rooney up top and a pacey 10 in there or put one of those guys in there and add young in aswell.

Also have to add creative CM's and that sorts out half the team.

Easy :)

29 Jun 2015 10:05:02
Depay could have a big impact on Di Maria's performances this season. If he continues his form from PSV, teams will have to decide on weather to stick 2 men on Depay or 2 on Di Maria, either way one or the other is going to get a lot of space, if both are being marked it gives even more space for someone like Mata, Rooney or Herrera!

Di Maria will improve a lot next season and we might start singing his name a little more often!

29 Jun 2015 10:14:57
Yeah, he's been a regular punching bag here mainly because of his price tag which he had no control over. There's also been news that he doesn't want to be here which could be the problem.
But i think the real problem is simply that he doesn't fit in the possession type play. But then, a lot of our players don't including rooney, jones, smalling, young, falcao(now gone).

29 Jun 2015 10:24:30
I think and hope you could be right Jono, the amount of time I hear '60 million and you can't even find a red shirt' as if he should be thinking about his price tag while he is playing and scoring 4 goals a game. He wasn't great but maybe he needed time to settle, fingers crossed he proves a lot of people wrong this season.

29 Jun 2015 10:58:37
What I want is Adm/Deepay/Rooney to play as a fluid 3 like Barca/Dare I say Liverpool 2 season ago.
If Adm is not for Lvg then get him out quick And replace with someone is early. Get pre season playing the same as we will next year.

29 Jun 2015 14:33:36
The issue with ADM is not that he is a bad player, he isn't. He is an extremely talented player.

My personal issue is that people see him as a goal scoring attacker, something he certainly isn't ( best ever haul 7 league goals in entire career). He has assisted a lot, but it was in a team with Ronaldo, Benzema etc, just because you were the last player to pass Robaldo the ball then he cuts through 5 players and scores you rack up an assist, easy. For Argentina he has Messi, Aguero etc so a very similar set up to what he had in Madrid. For Real and Argentina he got/gets time on the ball due to the attackers ahead of him. He also wasn't expected to chip in defensivly like he is at United. His passing stats are very poor for a player of his calibre, his defensive work is poor and he is very lightweight.

In conclusion ADM is a great player when a team can make up for his deficiencies BUT this isn't a guy who scores 30+ goals a season or a guy who is going to help the team and press he is a passenger who has it in his locker to pick a pass now and again. The EPL is fast and physical so he doesn't get the time on the ball he would normally get, he also gets pushed off the ball very easily due to his lack of strength.

{Ed007's Note - So what makes him 'an extremely talented player' & a 'great player'? The only positive you've mentioned is that he can 'pick a pass now and again' so can Ch****e A**m, does that make him extremely talented?
I've watched plenty of ADM at Madrid, Argentina and now Utd and he is nowhere near being as good as Utd fans expect or say he is. I wasn't surprised at all by his performances for Utd last season, his performance in the 2014 CL final was a one off that anyone who has watched him play regularly will know.}

29 Jun 2015 15:04:22
Bond, I was trying to soften the blow. Basically he's a luxury player who has no place at United is what I wanted to say but didn't want the hassle of saying it that directly. Hopefully some other team get lumbered with him.

{Ed007's Note - Ah..got you now, sorry about that.}

29 Jun 2015 15:31:22
Totally agree with Rewz. I'm not sure why everyone is so confident that ADM will become a world beater this season. His demeanour last season was terrible, people seem to forget every time he played in the latter part of season, his performances were absolutely terrible. So why is he suddenly going to become a sensational player?
As Rewz said, he doesn't score many goals even when he was playing for RM and had ronaldo and co in the team.
His strength is his assists and for that to happen, he needs to get off his arse and start putting in proper shift for the team. He's very fragile and gets shoved off the ball too easily. So unless he bulks up and changes his attitude, I can see more of the same this season.
Of course I would love him to come good but I doubt it. Personally, give him to PSG and ask for verratti or cavani or Bayern ansyask for schweni or Lewandawski.

29 Jun 2015 15:42:24
Jono

Have you watched any of the games mate. He has acres of space to receive a pass and run into as messi and aguero attract a lot of attention. He is shit in a compact style set up, which is what most pl teams do against us.

I hoep we swap him for Cavani TBH or every moment of really good stuff he has 5 terrible ones. No different to Nani for me, frustrating to watch.

29 Jun 2015 15:44:44
No probs, I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't possess a pair of ADM rose tinted specs.

29 Jun 2015 07:50:53
Hi folks great to be back on site again after 2 years. I was fighting big c and won so other things on my mind. I'm just wondering what people think of Phil Jones. I think this could be a make or break season for him?. Secondly I would love United to sign hummers fora calming presence at the back which we don't seem to have

29 Jun 2015 08:15:43
Welcome back major, good to see your fighting fit again.
Phil Jones is a bit of a let down to me, so much potential a few years back and you can see there's a great player in here somewhere but FFS he can't stay fit, he's a very frustrating player. Sell him IMO.

29 Jun 2015 08:40:57
Jones needs a long run at centreback, I agree it being a make or break season for him. His passing stats are good and his defensive stats for tackles, blocks and interceptions are extremely high.

I think if he stays fit and gets a run this year we will see him become one of the best centerbacks in the league. he's always going to be an all action classic defender which is great but may not fit with the way LVG wants to play out from the back.

29 Jun 2015 09:32:15
Welcome back mate, I'm glad u won your fight 👍

29 Jun 2015 09:43:01
Fantastic news major, I bet it makes some of the things people get annoyed about on here seem quite trivial! Great to see you back.

29 Jun 2015 12:43:45
Hope all is well now mate, I have personally given up with Phil Jones, he had so much potential as mentioned above, but now he is rash and kamikaze, he is a bit like Rafael in the fact that he bombs forward loses the ball and then has to wipe someone out to get it back. He goes into everything at 765 mph and either hurts himself or anyone in a 20m radius.

29 Jun 2015 15:34:52
Welcome back Major and delighted to hear you're better.
As for Jones, I'm with the majority that he'll not make the grade. When he plays, I feel nervous and I feel the whole defense does too. He runs around like a chicken without a head, always out of position and that is why he makes those lunging tackles which often get him injured. Personally, I will get rid of him and Evans this summer and bring in two proper, intelligent centre backs.

29 Jun 2015 15:44:45
Rewz

Jones is very poor passer mate and not sure how these stats are accumulated. He is poor positionally for a CB and gets caught so many times on the wrong side of the ball and only grace is some crazy lunge.