Manchester United Banter Archive May 29 2012

29 May 2012 22:46:00
Totally gutted reading the Hazard story this morning. Really don't how can some-one can pick Chelsea over us and not to mention only be offered 100k for a player that i've no doubt will be world class. IS united really in that bad of a state that we can't compete even at this level?

Please don't be telling me he wasn't a target or he's not worth the money we have lost out here and again I smell the financial constraints playing a factor.

£100,000 after tax, will be closer to £200,000 gross

29 May 2012 22:37:09
Personally I'm not too disgruntled with Hazard opting for Chelsea. My belief is that he was never a Priority Target anyway. I would even perhaps put out there that we bidded only because he became available. At this stage, the mentality would be ' why not? Let's have a bid and see what happens?'

One of SAFs best traits is character assessing. He would have known from the beginning that it would turn into
a 'personal terms auction' senario. Heck, everyone on here knew his character before anything got serious so what makes you think SAF didn't know either. Yes, we bidded, because he's a top player, and it's always worth a punt.

I think if you was to ask SAF 2 weeks ago who his main priority was, I've no doubt that he'd have Kagawa without hesitation. I'm my eyes, a perfect addition with an excellent attitude. If hopefully the deal is concluded, he'll be a star next season I'm sure.

From an attacking perspective, if we landed Kagawa and James Rodriguez (Porto) I'd be over the moon personally. Rooney, kagawa and Rodriguez I think would be the closest we'll see to 08' where Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez tore apart defences with pace, movement and one touch passing - breath taking to watch.

That's what we need to emmulate, not the so called Barcelona way, OUR way 4 years ago.

WF Red Devil

Same excuse different times!
Wow, always the same history whenever we lost a player to other team!

29 May 2012 21:59:12
For a start hazard who cares? He overated, overpriced and loves himself, and for 35 million and 200k a week, demanded the 10 shirt and role. One minute mate who are you exactly? A 21 year old boy who thinks he's made it.

Yeah sure the last two years you've been the best player in your shi**y French LEAUGE where you get a foul if the other player breaths on you. Your nothing special


Why people slag modric off is a joke, the guy is pure class, easily should be our number one signing. Modric = Scholes replacement

Lorente - big, strong, mint in the air, amazing shot and simply put is a beast of striker. He would just bully and out muscle defenders. And he isn't even that slow

KAGAWA - this little fella is WORLS CLASS and is the reason dortmund won the double, amazing skill and passing is just as good and can also score goals. 17 million you say. BARGIN

Left back - with fabios loan to Benicia falling apart we might end up keeping him and trying to break him in this year. If not we clearly need a LB to replace evra cause he's been poor this season and last.

KAGAWA 17 million
Modric 25-30 million
Lorente 25 million
Left back ? (I'm unsure on who)

I think we should make these our summer buys, all three are class and would easily make us stronger for next year.

Outs
Berbatov - slow, lazy and doesn't suit our play. A shame as he was amazing at spurs.
Estimated value 10 million

Anderson - spent long enough satin the same old crap "it's his year" to injury prone and the only Brazilian who used one foot (his left) estimated value 10-12 million

Evans - I just dont like the guy, he may of been good for a little spell but always seems to be dragging and pulling players all the time, personally ild get rid. Estimated value 7 million

Park - yeah he gives 100% but all he does is run around for 90 minutes like a headless chicken. Passing isn't great and at his age he's just a squad player estimated value 5 million

Nani - has so much skill but lacks a brain, decision making lets him down at least 90% of the time, so incomsistant he's shocking and wastes attacks by being greedy and going for glory. At 25 he should be at his best and in a nut shel he's s**t estimated value 15-17 million

Macheda - One word "awful" estimated value "just release him"

That's just my opinion, some may agree most will disagree but this is a forum and anyone can have there say, thanks.

Bolger

Bolger, your estimations are so far off it's crazy. If Nani was available for £15m he would have every club trying to sign him.

Sydney!

I'm curious to see your formation with Llorente, Kagawa, Modric and Rooney.
You won't fit all 4 in the same team unless you play with no wingers. Or are you planning on Kagawa playing out of position?

M.D.

Sydney are you joking? Nani worth more than 15 milliOn?

Nani is average, if he was world class he would be in our starting 11 every game. he struggles to play 30 minutes, he's poor, passing is poor, crossing is poor and his shooting is ridiculas, now and again heel score a good goal.

Nani = too incomsistant and at 25 should be at his best. Which isn't good enough

And MD the formation would
Be simple,

Normal back 4 and keeper then,

Valencia----modric----kagawa----young
----------Rooney------Lorente-----

Modric being the deep lying midfielder with KAGAWA pushing forward, and Rooney dropping deep as usual sp yeah there's your two wingers and all 4 play. 4-4-2

And kagawas position is central midfield in an advance role.

Bolger

That midfield could never work and Nani is worth a bare minimum of £25m. The club will be looking for upwards of £30m. Whether you believe Nani is worth £15m or not is irrelevant, his independent valuation is £31.5m. Personally I think he will go for between £25m-£30m if the club do decide to sell. A lot will depend on if they can get a LW in or not.

Sydney!

Where you get that valuation from? Someone who doesn't score ten goals a season and get 20 assists isn't going to be valued anywhere near 30 million

Your either stupid or on crack


Bolger

29 May 2012 21:51:53
I hope as much as everyone here that kagawa signs but bear in mind what's just happened with u know who!

Anyway couldn't we have sneijder and modric together or is that being ahead of myself....BTW love this site, as I check it every 30mins for the latest gossip!

Why would we want two expensive over-rated payers rather than just the one? If we end up signing Sneijder this summer something's gone terribly wrong. Modric wouldn't be too bad if the price was around the £20m mark but otherwise I hope we take a punt on one of the many young players just breaking onto the world scene who could be available this summer.
T0MB0Z

29 May 2012 21:49:43
from talking to germans/bundesliga watchers they were saying about gotze and kagawa
both similar quailty gotze maybe slighly better buy kagawa alot more consistent

so im guessings its like us with nani and valencia

Gotze is still only 19 whilst Kagawa is 23 (although it should be noted Gotze will turn 20 next week). When he's playing Gotze looks like a much better player than Kagawa - but as you rightly mention he struggles a little with consistency. He reminds me a lot of a young Ronaldo (brilliant in patches) - and will no doubt go on to be a world class player (I think he'll be a better player than Ozil in 3 or 4 years time). Kagawa is still a very good player - but is unlikely to set the world alite.
T0MB0Z

29 May 2012 21:39:38
Who do you think man united should go for realisticly this summer?

Id rather us spend £32mill on Martinez than Modric
redpop

Javi Martinez!

29 May 2012 21:05:22
Can we please just swoop dortmund for kagawa goetze, and hummels? Maybe add clyne powell and or belhanda to that and i would be more than satisfied. Send berbatov to dortmund as well. I know SAF doesnt read this site for our opinions but what do youll think about this thought?

Daniel

Do you think Dortmund would sell 3 of their best players?
Are they in some sort of financial difficulty that I do not know of?
Or maybe they've just given up on competing for silverware themselves next season.
Kagawa's contract is running out soon so he's more obtainable.

M.D.

I doubt Dortmund would take Berbatov. Dortmund would probably be asking for somewhere in the region of £80m for the three as well (they are adamaent that they can hold onto Gotze for a while longer and he doesn't want to leave atm).
T0MBZ

29 May 2012 20:35:22
This is a good article by the independant showing how bad out season was with injuries. Even with us having the worse injuries we still came second, whereas c**y had the least injuries!

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/05/29/manchester-city-top-the-injury-league-with-manchester-united-bottom/

Kulio

Injuries and suspensions happen. Our squad should have been good enough for them not to have an impact. It clearly was not.
T0MB0Z

Tomboz are you a new regular here? Your negativity is ridiculous. Did you read the article or just post moaning?

Any team would struggle losing their best defender and captain for 6 months and losing one of their star midfielders to a horrific illness. Add that to the countless other injuries and to lose the league on the last day was some performance by the team.

GDS

There's a difference between being realistic and being negative. A combination of luck, SAF, City being poor, the occasional exceptional individual performance and Wayne Rooney are the only reasons we lost the league on the last day of the season.

Considering Tevez was out practicing his golf for most of the season and it was only Aguero's first season in the EPL, I can't see next season being anywhere near as close if we don't invest in some new players!

It might read as negativity - but it's a fact. If other teams around us continue to strengthen and we fail to do so we're going to fall behind. If you can't see that you're blind...
T0MB0Z

29 May 2012 20:43:24
Personally I'm not too disappointed about the Hazard situation, the guys a great talent and will no doubt cause us, and everyone else, problems when they visit Stamford Bridge.

But he's only one player, and he really isn't what we need right now. Our midfield needs to be bossed by someone with experience and i'd love to see a bid for Wesley Sneijder, the experience that guy has is unbelievable and he's both a play maker and a play stopper in defense. He went to Inter for 15 million euro so a bid for under 20 million would definitely be on the cards.

Introducing Sneijder into the team means Kagawa (who appears to be a definite) can play either off Rooney or on the left wing, although I do think Young will only improve, and there's always Nani, who we definitely shouldn't sell!

We're fine for goal scorers in Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez and if the Powell deal goes through i'd expect him to notch up a few as well. Kagawa and Valencia are also quality goal scorers too.
Defense needs to be addressed and for me, David Alaba would be the perfect signing although i'm not sure how much he'd go for, if at all...ed perhaps you can shed some light on it? I don't see peoples problem with Baines, he had a great season and was named as LB in the PFA team of the year, against some big names (Joe Cole and Gael Clichy for example). Here's a link that I think sums up Baines' worth:

http://s492.photobucket.com/albums/rr281/03akkasi/?action=view¤t=lbattack.jpg

The introduction of Kagawa, Sneijder, Powell and Baines/Alaba would be great for United and fill the weak spots that so many teams identified over the season. It also gives us great depth for the coming years with the likes of Jones, Fletcher, Nani and Valencia all hopefully having better and injury free seasons.

Sell Park, Anderson and Berbatov to create some cash and we could be on to a great squad. {Ed004's Note - Those stats make Evra look better than Baines at times though...}

Ashley Cole mate, not Joe Cole.

RedDevil19

Were definitely not fine for goal scorers! Its the weakest front line weve ever had. Hernandez isn't a good enough footballer and goes missing, Welbeck miises too many chances, but will come good eventually and Rooner is not an out and out striker. We need a serious threat up front like when we had Ruud. Someone to scare defences.

Why would we sign Kagawa and Sneijder? They both play as attacking mids. Baines is terrible. Jordi Alba would be a much better bet.
T0MB0Z

29 May 2012 20:16:34
I think Hazard would of been a one off this summer, by this, i mean that he was the only player for that position that we were going for. Our gaze will shift elsewhere as we aren't that interested in Gaitan and will probably wait a year to have another look at James Rodriguez. I think the money is there, and the wage bill is slowly being eased with more departures to come. I would say now that two central midfielders and a left back are what we are looking at, no other wingers, we will stick with what we have and probably stick with Park.

There have been a few midfielders named on here today, Modric and Defour seem to be popular. Powell i think is for definite, he and Clyne i think will be the young lads coming in. Also the interest in the lad from Palermo is interesting, especially if its for just £4 million to replace Pogba.

RedDevil19

Who is the palermo lad?

Afryie Acquah or something? He's like Pogba apparently. I have no idea about him, the deal, or anything. Ive only said it as it sounds like something that we would go for.

RedDevil19

29 May 2012 19:46:29
Nani is not good enough to be in any first choice eleven if we seriously wish to challenge for the title in England and in Europe

Red Man

Red Man, I have no respect for your opinion on this matter or most things football related for that matter. Nani is our best winger.
Valencia: Games: 27 (6 as sub)
Goals: 4
Assists: 13
Shots: 26

Nani: Games: 29 (10 as sub)
Goals: 8
Assists: 10
Shots: 65

Looking past the stats, Nani offers far more in general play, he's a better passer, has more creativity and is actually defensively sound regardless of what people say (obviously Valencia is a bit better). Nani was also subbed a lot more frequently than Valencia. Now the only question that remains is, do you think Valencia's good enough?

Percy

Percy

Statistics say a lot. Statistics say Nani is world class. Fact is, Nani is too inconsistent for Manchester United, and I would sell him for anything over £25m.

Also, saying you have no respect for someone's opinion, just because they don't agree with you is childish. Grow up.

G.A.G.U.S

The stats show Nani is a bit wasteful with those shots, maybe if he passed instead of balsting it for personal glory.

The fact he can't take a corner that beats the first man is also pathetic as well in a professional player on tens of thousands a week.

Both Nani and Toni are class and give SAF great options on the right.
Options are something SAF didnt have last season due to the injuries.
Nani can also play on the left and in the middle -
Redman you seem to have taken an irrational dislike to Nani - but FGS; cut the "not good enough" crap please, it demeans all your other opinions.

Mike

I watched Nani all season and he was very inconsistent. His free kicks either hit the wall or go into the crowd, his corners hit the first man. His decision making is the major issue, when he gets into key positions he continually makes the wrong decision. It drives Rooney mad and you just have to see SAFs face. It comes down to instinct when at key moments and Nanis have not got any better.

I would like to agree with you, Nani can be brilliant but sadly not often enough. If he could I would not say that he isn't good enough. I don't dislike Nani I just assess his ability. If the rumours are right then Nani was available last summer and he has not improved this last season. That should give you an idea what SAF thinks as well, plus rumours are he may be available this summer. Yes he can be fantastic at times but not consistently and in big games he let us down too often

Red Man

Do the stats say how many times nani had the opportunity to cross the ball but took the wrong option or failed to beat the first man.

Giggs can't take a corner that beats the first man, does that make him a bad player?

Percy

Should of gone to specsavers
johndenton

I'm not being childish. Every post I make, it's always, Evans/ Nani/ Welbeck/ insert name, is not good enough, we have to buy 'World Class' players. Which is total bulls**t. I have no respect for his opinions on football because they're so wrong, saying Nani isn't good enough is laughable. Nani is inconsistent, I'll admit, it's just some days he isn't absolute magic whereas some days he is. But on the days he's not, he's usually contributing to overall play and often pops up with a goal or an assist. I just get the hate for Nani, it's ridiculous.

Percy {Ed007's Note - Percy would you be happy if Man Utd went out and spent £20/25 million on Nani if he wasn't at already here, or if Welbeck was at Bolton would he be a player you would be on here saying Utd should sign?}

I'm confident Nani would cost us a lot more than 20 - 25 million and yes I think we'd all be salivating over him (no homo). Welbeck, I would say yes, he's shown significant promise this season, he's ahead of Sturridge and I for one wouldn't mind Sturridge coming here.

Percy

Percy

What Giggs have you been watching? He has been rubbish all year as well so an odd choice for a comparison imo.

I can see why you valiantly defend our own but come on buddy we all can see Nani's shortcomings and he has far more of them than good points. I genuinely do not understand how you cannot see the points Red man, G.A.G.U.S, myself and a few others on here have continually highlighted as to why we think we would be better off with getting rid of Nani.

Even your stats show he has had more games but a worse goals:shots ratio and less assists. All that from a player who gets free shots at goal with free kicks and takes corners giving a good chance of an assist (if he could clear the first man).

I do not see where your argument is going. Unless its just now personal with Red man?

Jono

We need someone like DBecks for freekicks and corners..
With the current scenario of transfer market we wont get that kind of player for less than £30-40M.
We have couple of excellent youth players, whom we can mold for taking freekicks and corners.

When ronaldo came to united, he was always 1st to arrive for training and last to leave. He used to practice basically freekicks, and today, if not best then definitely one of the best freekick takers in the world.

Lets hope for good times

MD_11

29 May 2012 19:44:57
Why is every body so happy with kagawa sounds like far east shirt sales to me we need top top centre mid plus a striker we've got enough wingers any one agree

Because he's an excellent player. Yes we need a centre mid but lets get Kagawa in first and go from there.

Have you seen him play before saying we are only buying him for shirt sales?

GDS

29 May 2012 18:54:20
Heading off to Ibiza tomorrow for the summer so im gonna say goodbye for a while lads

My commiserations in advance to all you English lads who will be upset about England getting knocked out in the group stages of the Euros haha Ireland will win the whole thing, Obviously ;)

Be back in about 10 or 11 weeks providing the money holds out haha Have a good summer everyone

Dylan

Ahhhhhh, to be young again :(

Sydney!

Young? Haha thanks Sydney, Im 31

Dylan

And here's me doing a course all summer.... :'(

G.A.G.U.S

Have great time -

Mike

Okay then mate I will rethink, no kids? I wish I could go to Ibiza for a couple months, but not sure the missus and kids will appreciate it :(

Sydney!

Remember to book your clinic appointment for either 11 or 12 weeks then buddy ;-)

Jono

Pack the rubbers lad, you'll be in for a busier summer than United.

DB-Red

Might see you there Dylan I'm heading off on the 11th of june seen as you're 31 I don't think we may be in the same area unless you're planning on smashing clubs and pubs ;)

Anon

Yeah Sydney mate, No kiddies, Just do a legger to the shops for milk and take a week off :)

Cheers Mike, Jono, DB-Red. Sorry Anon, I wont be near the quiet bit pal, Ibiza rocks all the way. Off now lads, Have a good summer, Laters

Dylan

Sorry G.A.G.U.S mate didnt see your post there, Enjoy the course ;)

Dylan

Dyl I'm 18 doubt I'll be at the quiet part either ;)

Anon

29 May 2012 18:46:28
manchester united team next year

De gea

Smalling,Vidic,Ferdinand,Baines
Carrick/Kagawa/m'villa
Valencia Nani/young
Lewandowski Rooney

M'Vila and Kagawa are going to the Gooners

I'd love to that next year but lewandoski seems a bit unrealistic. Dortmund are one of the top clubs in Germany and have no financial issues so why would they sell?

Red steph

29 May 2012 18:05:51
Hazard will be a World Class at Chelsea or United(if he came), no doubt, he's very talented player.

United is bigger than any player in this world and will remain like that.

We probably getting Kagawa( A massive boost for us) and a very good CM, a LB and maybe a striker will be very good.

Move on with Hazard situation there's plenty of good prospect players who can be a World Class that are not that expensive and so demanded. Belhanda, J Rodriguez just to mention.

I'm sure SAF has a back up plan for it. We survived without Ronaldo, so its not the end of the World or United.

Cheers

Nick86

Didn't really survive without Ronaldo though did we? We haven't been the same since in my opinion.

DB-Red

Got to the champions league final and won the league. One bad season with injuries and anyone would think the whole world has caved in!

GDS

29 May 2012 17:55:15
Modric is a solid performer with no hype around him just doing his job and proven in the PL. Hazard isn't. I know what I'd rather have, PL experience any day of the week. And a player with that and no ego is worth 25mill plus easily.

29 May 2012 18:24:31
i think we need a goalscoring midfielder and a holding midfielder as priority ....

Goalscorer options imo

Kagawa - 18m
Lavezzi - 25m
Sessegnon - 15m
Eriksen - 15m
there is probably more but i cant think of any realistic targets they we have been linked with

Holding options imo

M'Villa - 23m
Moutinho - 25m
Javi Garcia - 20m
Strootman - 16m
Asamoah - 14m
Fellaini - 18m
Defour - 14m
There is probably more but i cant think of any that i would prefer to some of these

Seven holding miss and you missed Martinez?!
If we could sign one player, he is the one - if we could get him. (he may well end up at Barca, Real, or stay at Bilbo Baggins)

Might as well dream... waking up to Djemba-Djemba or Bebe comes later in the summer ;)

DodgyBanter

29 May 2012 17:15:33
If Hazard has signed for chelsea surely there would be a mention on there website but theres nothing on there. even though the transfer window not open yet you would think they would announce one of europes brightest talent will be playing his football there. very strange??

The deal hasn't been completed that's all bud.

Sydney!

Yeah, it's only about 99% done.

Percy

29 May 2012 17:08:53
If modric joins mufc I'm worried he could do a berbatov and be good for tottenham but flop at man u after paying such a high fee

Well I'm afraid we are still interested in him If he does move,
At the moment there is a little uncertainty over wether even Harry will be there at the moment for the start of next season. Other news.....united are looking at some 15/16yr old lad who's at Exeter City (don't know his name, sorry if it's a bit vague!) and Pranjic of Bayern is probably heading to the premiership this summer, he nearly signed last minute for Everton last minute in January along with Jelavic (which I told you several weeks before it happened even though it was done last minute). I think Pranjic will go to either Everton, lfc, or tottenham.

Supasub

29 May 2012 16:21:58
Well for one I am kinda of happy we missed out on Hazard, We were willing to pay big money, and a big fee, so that money will be invested else where! Kagwa will be the real loss if that doesnt go through! We've got other targets instead of Hazard, Lavezzi, Hulk, Gatian, Rodriguez, Lucas (although has a huge price tag, and is too risky if you ask me) Theres plenty of talent out there, that want to play for United!
I for one would like:
Kagwa
Clyne
Powell
Lorente/Falaco (rumour has it he's been put up for sale after the Europa league final, Atheltico Madrid arent confident of keeping hold of him)
M'Villa/Strootman

Even if United purchase Kagwa and a couple of youngsters, and a ball winning midfielder, we'll be more then fine

Mate, we apparently were willing to spend megabucks on Sneijder. Was that reinvested?

Coz I seem to remember Scholesy coming out of retirement instead.

RED_SKY

29 May 2012 15:48:37
Kagawa's move stalled???old injury playing up????what next?

Nonsense, hes playing for japan

LOL.

Sydney!

Sources saying he wants 100,000 a week and regular playing time that's why it hasnt gone through


Dwright.

I wouldn't think he wants anywhere near £100k a week despite reports. Arsenal or Spurs wouldn't pay him that so I wouldn't worry too much. I think he could be signed by the weekend.

Sydney!

He is with japan until the 8th June... wcq games

do not expect anything done before then unless fergie flys out there and makes him sign....

oxred

29 May 2012 15:00:18
Manchester United missed chances: past 8 years

----------------Joe Hart---------------
Lahm----Pique----------help?---help?
Robben--Sneijder--Ronaldinho--hazard?
------------Villa----------Tevez-------

Manchester United Players past 8 years:

----------------Van der sar------------
Neville----Vidic---------ferdinand---evra
Valencia---Scholes----carrick-----Ronaldo
----------Rooney-------Ruud-----------

Nobody say anything about pique, we missed his best years and tevez was a missed chance, even now.

Which 11 would make your missed chances team and which would make your past 8 years United team? Then decide which team you would prefer and bear in mind the cost difference!

1redarmy

English team, champs league and winners league.

Silva and Sanchez would probably make my list ahead of Robben and Sneijder. Based on last seasons form I stand by my thoughts last year that missing out on Sneijder was actually a blessing (it's just unfortunate that we didn't bring anybody else in to fill the gap in our midfield!).
T0MB0Z

The second one, the first midfield would get annihilated!

Percy

Of players we were realistically looking at? We've not really "missed out" on that many, not enough to make a whole team out of player who are better than what we had. I'm going to put a team that we could've realistically had about now though.....

_____________De Gea

Rafael____Vidic____Ferdinand___Evra

Ronaldo___Essien___Sneijder___Hazard

_________Rooney___Torres

..and thats not even taking into account Arjen Robben. That said, we seemed to manage pretty well for those 8 years dont you think?

TK-Red

You should add Sanchez, Nasri and Neuer to that list, 1redarmy mate. Looking at your list it just shows how unattractive you are to decent players. Hence the reason you've still got Giggs and Scholes on the payroll.

No-one wants to play for you.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Sanchez, Nasri & Neuer never snubbed Liverpool, Liverpool never crossed their mind.

Sydney!

Haha Blair, we could have signed carroll and downing too. Should make a list of the missed chance managers you have had. Forgot liverpool are the worlds most attractive club with all these stars.

1redarmy

I don't see any superstars at Anfield Blair.

G.A.G.U.S

From what I see Blair Mayne, Liverpool seem to be struggling to even find a manager that wants to take over the mess that your club has become, and who would want to. United may miss out on players but Liverpool can't attract a decent manager or players

29 May 2012 15:33:37
let me remind all of you at the start of 2006-07 season chelsea signed shevchenko ,ballack ,obi mikel,boulharouz ,cole ,kalou for a combined of 68.5 m pounds while SAF signed only michael carrick for 16m pounds and didnt bring a striker even though nistelroy departed and the result was we won the premier league by a 6 point margin . the very next season when we and chelsea spent equal amount of money we ended the season with the champions league as well as the premier league and chelsea won nothing. Only thing SAF has is confidence and faith which has made us the most successful club of all time.
we all need to have faith in him . he is the best

Didn't Chelsea win the FA cup in 07-08?

Percy

They didn't signed shevchenko, they destroyed him, but good point

Percy

No, Portsmouth won it that year mate.

TK-Red

Oh, my bad.

Percy

If you look back at 2006 then the young emerging Rooney and particularly Ronaldo who was becoming a really great player made the difference. If we look into our playing strength now I don't see two players at that level coming through. That is a real concern and why we should not be complacent and say we will just come back

Red Man

29 May 2012 15:26:43
Now that we've saved $45mil from hazard, should we go for Modric. Chelsea hopefully won't need him now. City already have Silva and Nasri. Plus spurs are not in the UCL.
Kagawa (15mil) + Modric (35mil) + Baines (12mil) + Nick Powell (3mil) = $65mil. This is all we need!.Do you think this can happen ?

29 May 2012 15:20:03
Hazard confirms in an interview that he is signing for chelsea sayng atleast i dnt hv 2 live in manchester now.......

Utdfan

He announced not long back that he would definitely be playing in Manchester next season. He'll probably be announcing that he's moving to Spain by the weekend.

Red Spark

29 May 2012 14:41:07
Hazard has failed the chelsea medical they couldn't fit his head through the door!

Even though I wanted him to sign for us I has to chuckle at this. The boy is a talent but he is not the only one and I'm sure fergie wil find the rite one


Cork red

29 may 2012 14:38:48
the 30million we were gonna spend on hazard can be used to buy a central midfield player.hazard is a winger.kagawa,martinez,snieder,mvila,gotze,ozil,strootman.just some names that are keeping me positive.that is our weakest area,lets focus on that.have no idea about what forward if any.anyone any ideas?

quinner99

29 May 2012 14:28:18
ins
kagawa
granero
huntelarr.

Kagawa yes. Huntelaar failed in Italy and Spain.

Mad Hatter

Granero? really.

The Moon.

29 May 2012 14:04:09
This same process is occuring year after year "united to sign marquee player-Sneider-Hazard" strange it comes just has the club look to renew season tickets. I for one don't trust the club .This last season we have had to watch some awful drivel and without some high quality signings and I don't regard what was purchased last year has high quality we are heading for mediocraty
Twink

I posted a very same message last week.
I would even go as far to say that when Fergie was seen watching Hazard 2/3 weeks ago, it was done and promoted to sell Season Tickets.

Don't go then!

I support the team whoever plays for them, whether we are top,middle or bottom and I will be there every week. Guessing you can't say the same.

Last year we signed one of the best young goalkeepers in the world, a future england captain and one of englands best attacking players, but yes, what a load of low quality!

GDS

To be fair on the club it is hazard that has p1$$ed about not us

SeemsLegit

Glazer D*** Sucker or GDS as he likes to be called gets very touchy and defensive when you dare to suggest that marketing might come into being linked with high profile players. Never mind GDS I am sure Uncle Malcolm will reward you. I AM KLOOT

RFT,

Thanks for the abuse (thought that was being removed from this site), do you support the club because they are good or because of your love for them?

What do I get rewarded with? Since the Glazers took over we have had quite a lot of success. I appreciate we are now running a business and trust me I know about the cost cutting.

We have signed high profile players since the Glazers took over and I am guessing we will sign Kagawa very shortly.

Your posts on here are boring, I try and get some conversation going.

GDS

GDS

Vidic apart which high profile players do you feel the Glazers have signed? Let's limit it to the ones that might get in Madrid, Barca or City's team?

Red Man

Redman what about diouff,obertan,bebe :)
johndenton

Berbatov? Vidic was not a high profile signing, we had hardly heard of him until he signed. That is the kind of player I love us signing, brilliant scouting and less of a price tag to live up to.

GDS

29 May 2012 13:36:09
Can i just say, i know everyone is SICK of it (me included) BUT.............

Do u really think hazard has chosen chelsea?
Ive got a feeling about this one lasting through the summer, i mean the guys a media whore and loves all this attention, with t**tter etc....getting more followers! attention, attention attention!! Look at me etc etc...

He should of said "im signing for Chelsea"! the FACT he hasn't (Yet) makes people (including myself) think.....Has he or Does he mean chelsea!

he could be playing the whole of the media/fans to believing 2 PLUS 2 = 5 (and only Eden wants to tell them the correct answer is 4!) - being in control! (which he still is) hence the @hazardeden10 followers growing in full forces!!

Its all aload of B0ll0cks to be fair and in a way i hope UTD are not in for him now, this guys ego is outta this world! Everyone in the Prem will be gunning for him and then he will know What the PREM is all about, none of this league 1 rubbish! If he does end up at chelsea so be it but he best be ready for some tough tackling, because not only me but all the footy players will be thinking right now...."who does this guy think he is"??

You got to prove it hazard and i think IF you do go to chelsea you will be hard pushed to prove it at that club! Your be another Torres i guarantee...

If (a small if) he has chose UTD (Which i doubt) i dont think Sir Alex would be impressed already with the amount of media this guy is getting right now (No player bigger than the club) so in that case i doubt his chosen us.

Im sorry to go on about this tw8t but the above was just a thought i had!

When he said what he said about joining the c.l winner why then couldnt that be us - UTD? and thats exactly what i mean when i say the above! Its all about Hazard (No1 else) making himself into a Ronaldo before his kicked a ball in the Prem, through t**tter! he wants to be someone hes NOT....and he wants it Now!

i bet hes loving this, he knows he could of rephrased it differently and the fact that chelsea hasnt come out with anything yet doesnt help although im not sure if they can unveil him until the window opens!?

Thats the end of the hazard matter from me but i do have a feeling this isnt over yet!!

I think people are deluding themselves if they think Hazard has chosen anyone but Chelsea when he says "the champions league winners". I'm glad personally that this whole saga has been put to bed early enough and not dragging on like the Sneijder gate last year, setting people up for more disappointment.

United need to sign Kagawa up sharpish before that falters aswell, talk of serious Arsenal interest is worrying. After that, we have no clue who will sign

29 May 2012 13:49:38
i admire the fact tht we take(utd) take the moral high ground and dont pay over inflated wages n prices 4 unproven players n hazzard wud of been a gamble but so was silva aguaro n mata and they look good prem players? i dont want daft amounts on a new squad i.e chelski,city but giggs n scholes need replacing n they 2 of best players int prem of last 10 yrs so big money needs t b spent also i thought hazzard signing wud of shown city n chelsk but mostly us fans that we have money n will compete 4 the worlds hottest prospects? i am startin t thnk itll b a long disapointing summer 4 us fans i.e no value int market? hope im wrong. united99

29 May 2012 13:16:45
Not to upset that Hazard has gone else where, but if we loose out on Kagawa then i wont be happy. We seem to drag are feet with signings?

Modric and snejder are no go's for me, would cost to much and honestly i think there are better players out there

Kagawa,the Crewe lad, Clyne from Palace and Martinez or Strootman. if we had enough cash then id maybe go for Kyle Walker instead of Clyne but think Spurs would want to much.

We also need to start to look fro a left back but im not sure if there are any out there good enough??

We don't drag our feet with anything.

The fans make everything up to certain signings because of who we are, the club for all we know may not have actually bid.

The Moon.

29 May 2012 13:11:39
I read on my sky sports news app on my phone this morning that Louis Saha has been released by tottenham, anyone think he would be an okay player to bring back and stick on the bench?

No thanks

Ste Dee

I'll assume this is a joke and move on!

GDS

29 May 2012 13:03:59
"We will get Kagawa, but still think we need that tough tackling holding midfielder. Maybe Martinez but we won't pay a lot for him. Another option is M'villa who looks good, and a left back in Baines or Debuchy. What do you think?"

M'Vila is a midfielder who does the midfielder's job very well. Manchester United have no interest in such players. Sir Alex is still fully committed to the 'let's see how many wingers, right backs and retirees we can shove into midfield before moulding Bebe into that much needed tough tackler seems like a good idea' project.

Matthew...

29 May 2012 12:55:03
With hazard not signing do you not think that it is a priority to sign a new stirker as berba is leaving and Owen is gone.

I think a lot depends on if we get Rodriguez or not. Rodriguez and Young can both play as 2nd strikers and we have Rooney, Hernandez & Welbeck for the one striker's spot.

Sydney!

29 May 2012 12:28:27
We will get Kagawa, but still think we need that tough tackling holding midfielder. Maybe Martinez but we won't pay a lot for him. Another option is M'villa who looks good, and a left back in Baines or Debuchy. What do you think? {Ed004's Note - Debuchy is a right back}

29 May 2012 12:25:42
Not saying I want this to happen but I can't help but feel Sir Alex will move to bring in Rodwell from Everton. He seems to fit in with what Sir Alex is doing, young English potential like Jones, Smalling, Welbeck, Cleverley and to a lesser extent Young. He would fill a defensive midfield hole but his injuries are a worry and don't feel he has moved on over the last few years.

29 May 2012 12:05:44
So we've missed out on Hazard. Hopefully we can can get a few good signings in over the summer. If we don't, I can see it being a tough job (not just for us) getting in the top 4 next year. Chelsea are obviously strengthening, city will no doubt spend money this year and arsenal will splash a bit of cash too. If spurs sell Modric or Bale, their chairman is no fool, he'll reinvest that cash well. I'm not a doom and gloom merchant, and I do think we have some decent quality in our squads, but it's pretty obvious that we need to buy some proven players this year. Europe was a disaster this season and we punched well above our weight in the PL. We are supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world, yet we haven't signed a tried and tested player for a few years now. If the Glaziers want to protect their investment they surely must know they have to spend a bit of money on quality and not potential. Look at Liverpool. They've fallen to the depths of being a mid table club in a very short length of time by buying mediocre players and not being in the CL for 3 years. I think we need to be careful that this doesn't happen to us. It's gonna be an even tougher league next year and I'd really like to see us add some proven quality, not just potential future greats.

On a side note. It's a shame we're losing Pogba(sillily boy) and we've lost Morrison. And I'll never understand 7m for Bebe!

Lewdpat

29 May 2012 11:24:13
They say your ultimate challenge is to play for your country, that maybe so. but there is one thing that is for sure the ultimate challenge for any footballer, whether on a freezing cold sunday morning in january or playing in a european cup final at any stadium, is to play for Manchester United. And the likes of Hazards, Sneijders and other players who have been rumoured in the past with united, have realised that every man and every team who haved lined up against united past and present would do anything, including selling a kidney, to beat us.
Now that is what a world class player is up against.

The Bear

29 May 2012 10:54:16
Honestly, how arrogant can one set of fans be??

The way you're going on, its as if its your god given right to sign anyone you want, and if they decide against joining you then the player clearly has no ambition or passion football and its all about the money. How arrogant can you be? You wonder why other clubs get p*ssed off with your attitude. Hazard chose to join Chelsea because he got guaranteed first team football, a fantastic wage, his agents fee, the standard of living, we're rebuilding our whole squad, we just won the champions league, we have 3 other young belgian internationals at the club, and we too also turn players into superstars, i.e. Drog, Lamps etc. And we've put Luiz, Ramires, Cahill, Mata on a bigger stage where they've excelled and are still with us and still young. Do you not think any of these played a big part in his decision? Or are you that blinded by your own club that you think he chose Chelsea purely for money, even though he knows full well that he will fail just like Shevchenko, Kezman, Veron etc. Whereas if he were to join United he would not be joining for the wage they are offering, which by the way would have been way in excess of £140'000, he is only joining because of the prestige, history and the fact he will be turned into a global superstar like Ronaldo. Are you purposely choosing to ignore all the other players that went to United with promise only to fail, Veron (again), Forlan, Nani (not lived up to the hype fully), Anderson (same again) etc.

Accept the fact that Chelsea was just as, if not a more exciting prospect of a club to join than United. Personally i think he actually chose the right decision due to the reasons i stated above.

Also, for the ones stating that he didn't actually say Chelsea in his tweet and he could mean United. Imagine your Roman Ambramovich and you know that Hazard is signing for United, he then goes and tweets that. Do you honestly think Chelsea would just sit there and let him insult them like that on Twitter to the world? Or do you think they would have issued a statement straight away saying that Hazard is not joining us as we have pulled out of the race? Seriously think about it.

Just to sum up in case i offended anyone. I am not saying for one second that your club are smaller than you think, because there not, Man Utd is still the BIGGEST club in the world. But your not the ONLY club in the world.

Chelski {Ed004's Note - 100% agree with this tbh...}

What a load of c**p, h joined for money and nothing else, it was reported a week ago that he favoured utd thats why all the fans thought he would come, before that most utd fans thought he was city bound. ask urself this, if both clubs were offering identical deals do you really think he would choose (managerless) chelsea

I agree with chelski on this every time we miss out on a player theres always a number of excuses normally painting the player in a negative light.
some times a player might just want to play for a different club than us.
jred

Bloody hell - second post from a chelski fan I have had to agree with in two days -

Once again I ask - are we sure ed002 is not posting incognito?

Mike {Ed004's Note - Nope, not sure where Ed 2 is but he is on holidays somewhere}

I hate to admit it Chelski mate but your post is absolute bullsh"t. The main reason he joined you is because he always wanted to live in London because nobody in Spain wanted him.

If you hadn't have won the CL, he would be playing for Spurs. That is a fact mate so your post is well written but total bullsh!t.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

F.a Cup winners, European Champions 2012, one of the most sort after midfield players, who plays in the elite french league signed and SEALED! While your chairman is sill deciding which manager he wants. Tough decision? :/

The Bear

You have just totally contradicted yourself Blair.

If you look at the reasons i stated as to why he may have chosen us, i clearly say that he may have chose for the standard of living, i.e. just because we are in London. Also, if we hadn't won the Champions League then not a cats chance in hell would he have even given us a second thought. So clearly you agree with me?

And do i beleive he would have joined Spurs over City or United because there in London? Don't make me laugh mate. What a ridiculous statement.

Chelsea were the right choice for him at the right time, thats all. Doesn't mean he's a complete tool for choosing us over anyone else. And it doesn't suddenly make Chelsea fans think we're bigger than United because one player chose us.

P.S. Why are you choosing to argue about a post from a Chelsea fan on the United page that has absolutely zero to do with Liverpool? Don't you have a manager issue to discuss on your own page? Seems to me like your clutching at straws again being on the big boys page.

Chelski

I chose because I am the resident bullsh!t detector. And when I read a post that reaks of BS. I have to put a stop to it, no matter what team you/they support.

You're a Chelski fan and you're battering managers me about mate, that made me
chuckle

A chelsea fan calling us arrogant! pot, kettle, black, springs to mind! dont forget why you are where you are, bcause of romans riches, he chose you bcause utd and city both refused to pay his obsene wages, so yes, he chose you for money. how can any assurances have been made to him about where he would play and how many games he would get when you dont even have a manager

Forgot to sign my last post Chelski mate. "The big boys page" if this is true, you must feel like a fish out of water.

Now run along silly little Chav. lol

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Sorry Cheslki but for reasons i have stated above i believ this to be hogswash! Im not saying he doesnt stand a chance of wining things with you but...

2 weeks ago he came you and said he would be playing in Manchester - Nes pa?

More recently he came out and said it would be about playing time and position. Now unless and i admit its a possibility Abramovich has finally decided to completely dispense with a manager and do the job himself how Hazard could have any guarantees on playing time or shirt! No new manager (Good one anyway) would accept to being dictated to like that!

Also there's the fact that unless im very much mistaken Mata plays basically the role that Hazard wants to play....

Thats what grates. He either has bipolar disorder or he's been chatting Sh*t! He says one thing whilst doing another.

Im sure he will be good for you, but that doesnt change the fact that his decidion was based on money! Nothing wrong with that, but dont come out spouting guff about position and playing time when its clear that had nothing to do with it!

Red Bear

Hey chelski fan - you've just about summed up Blair and most liverfools - clutching at straws !!
:)
Mike

Sorry Chelski mate I should have said "You're a Chelski fan and you're bantering me about managers"

I'm trying to respond to your bulls!t whilst rolling around the floor laughing. And trying to type at the same time. Which is no mean feat. lol lol

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Ps. Mike your post sums up you Mancs mate 'ARROGANT' Hazard would have been perfect for you.

And Blair - you sum up most liverfool fans - deluded

If you think that your are a "bulls**t detector" thats because you wallow in it all the time , having failed to clear up after yourself.

:) have a nice day

Mike

29 May 2012 10:40:50
hazard should have joined united
1) because chelsea might have won the champions league but united are still a much better club than chelsea.
2)because united have won a lot more trophies than chelsea.

What a strong argument.....not

This was my 9 yr old daughters post guys, even she can see hazard has made the wrong decision,

29 May 2012 10:31:57
The Hazard debacle, following on from last season's transfer cul de sac, in which we seem to have been again outmanoeuvred by subtler negotiators, highlights a most significant issue for the club: that is the split between the player management side of the club and the commercial.

Whereas the commercial side appears to be flourishing and effective, raising the revenues year after year (and one might argue totally offsetting and even exceeding the Glazer take-out), the player management side, including the transfer negotiation skills of Gill and Ferguson are definitely not premier league quality at all.

What characterises the club's skill-set here is composed of two clear themes:

1 Indecision and sentimentality - translated into player terms this refers to the manager's lack of decisiveness and reliance on ancient remedies. That the useless Park (albeit a money-spinner in commercial terms), and the ailing or failing Giggs, Scholes, Owen, Berbatov and others are still on the player roster speaks volumes. Where Spurs, Newcastle and Everton as well as Swansea and Norwich identify and secure new talent and use it effectively, we do not. Indeed we have lost our most promising youth prospects over the last few months. We are trapped by the manager in a time warm of heritage obsessiveness, and the club owners seem happy to indulge this. This is the principle reason for our decline and increasing embarrassment in the football arena.

2 Allied to this is a lack of tactical nous. Against Manchester City, against Barcelona, against second rate teams in Europe and even worse clubs in UK Cup competitions over the recent season we looked laboured, dull, unimaginative and slow.

These are the main reasons for our gathering decline - and we need to be aware that decline can become inexorable after a short period as the downward spiral of Liverpool amply proves.

While the commercial activities continue to rescue the club (and it should be noted that commercial revenues in the last financial period just about offset shrinking european earnings), the playing side dithers and vacillates.

But the two are interconnected, as the playing side declines, so will the revenue streams that leverage our historic success.

The Glazer regime while it has scraped significant sums has also replaced those sums, and more, with commercial income. The fault does not lie with them, but with the manager, his hubristic and and arrogant delusions and lack of decisiveness, his sentimental and now sclerotic approach.

Once the Glazer debt is paid off, most likely from an IPO, the business model will generate plenty of cash for players, possibly more than any other club can use in the context of FFP. But will this agreeable prospect be undermined by vanity and the foolishness of old men? It is time for the owners to act now and replace the current management regime.

We shall see.


Cantrubian {Ed004's Note - I don't think SAF is the problem. I don't think anyone can argue that he continues to work wonders with our current team. How many other managers could have gotten this squad of players to joint top in one of, if not the, toughest league in the world. I agree we need a better negotiator and a better number 2. SAF is a motivator and he was one hell of a motivator at that. In the past we have had very good numbers 2's who knew their tactics... We don't have that anymore...}

I am in total agreement with the Ed. SAF is not the problem. I agree that, tactically, we could improve and get a more experienced, tactically astute number 2 and we would see improvements on the pitch.

To say that others have "shrewd" and "subtle" nenegotiators is nonsense. How shrewd and subtle do you have to be to say "here's twice as much as anyone else is offering and heres £250k a week"? These players obviously see something better on offer elsewhere, whether that is location, playing time, team mates or money. We are the club who has to be shrewd and subtle in our negotiations, offsetting low wages with high image rights and the like. So we missed out on a few players. The right type of player will come to Utd.

SAF is not the problem. "Fans" like you are certainly a bigger problem.

FredtheRed

Ed004 - In your attempt to defend SAF so you highlight his responsibility for where the squad finds itself. We all agree that he worked miracles last season, but don't forget it is SAF's squad, he has overseen the club for 25 years and is responsible for the strength of the squad. Nobody just gave him the current squad he has overseen the decline in the strength of the squad.
Whilst I don't agree that things are quite as black and white as the original poster says, it must be pointed out that SAF is responsible for the strength of the current squad.

Keanooh {Ed004's Note - I agree and that is why I said I feel we need a new number 2, someone who will help SAF to realise that tactics change and therefore the players we need to sign will alter from previous players we have bought}

Fred has missed the point entirely. If he reads the article it will become clear to him that the commercial strategies (including image rights) are what is protecting the club from the idiocies of the management team. While Ferguson was once a great and effective manager, he is now well past his sell-by date, and is in terminal decline, risking taking the club with him. Plain for all to see over the last three seasons.

Enthusiasm is an admirable and excellent quality but misplaced enthusiasm and knee-jerk emotion is childish and misguided.

Cantrubian

29 May 2012 10:21:39
First time posting Ed. Kagawa to be confirmed soon ESPN reports final details been confirmed-good news....Bad news Man utd still have a chance in the next few years to win the league again but let's be honest at one time we had the financial power to get any player. But sometimes everything comes to an end. The most important thing we have the history, the Glazers will milk united untill it's last drop. They don't know anything about football. Just sad to be witnessing the decline of man utd. I'm even surprised pple think Mourinho or Pep will come to united just like the signings the will go to Chelsea and City. Let's get the Glazers out before it's too late. Ed any news or rumours of a united takeover that's we need. Just wish Qatar had bought us. However let's give credit to say Alex for keeping man utd on the top for the last 20 years and also making sure we stay within our salary structure. Fair play is coming soon Man utd will be smiling again. Man utd 4 lyf.

Another hardcore fan dusting off his green and gold scarf because we have lost out on one signing

Codswallop!

Most united fans have been disgruntled with the Glazers for years. But things like this remind us just why we dislike them so much! Ask the average unied fan if they wanted the glazers and i suspect you wouldnt get many giving them a positive vote.

You say one signing...so what about Nasri etc....

Tit.

29 May 2012 10:10:46
Are you 12 by any chance?

Roy Keane, Javier hernandez, Cristiano Ronaldo, Evra, Vidic, Smalling, Rafael, Fabio, Nani, Valencia, Young. -Hardly big name signings were they.

The Moon.

None of those players were world class signings when UTD signed them!
Most were kids that became, or can become, world class at UTD. Evra and Vidic (5 & 7M) were decent players we took a chance on, it worked!
UTD never have attracted the truly world class players at the top of their game and that will continue to be the case. Mostly due to geography and not willling to pay crazy money (like Sh..ty will) to bribe them to come.

Fabio No2

What are you talking about mate?

Somebody posted that you United need to sign big players, well what I said is that you don't need to buy big players and gave the above as examples.

The Moon.

29 May 2012 09:52:22
I'm not too dissapointed on missing out on Hazard as i think he was very much a luxury signing. Of course, I would of loved him to be signed, but it wasn't meant to be. But now i hope that we turn our attentions to a top striker with presence, personally I want to see Drogba here, but RVP, Lewandowski and Llorente are the favourites in my opinion. I am pretty happy with our wide options of Young, Nani and Valencia.

The other thing about Hazard would be that he doesn't work as hard as Young, and with Evra at left back, there would be no cover as Hazard would certainly not of tracked back.

I would be fuming though if we miss out on Kagawa who i think would be the signing of the sumemr regardless of who else we sign. He is the thing we have missed that will link everything together, and he can cover on the left if we need someone too. Kagawa has to be the priority.

I'd also negotiate as much as possible with RVP or Lewandowski, both of whom i'd welcome to the club. Add Lewandowski for £20 million and Kagawa for £17 million and we'd be laughing. Then i'd just get a left back, in all honesty it will probably be Baines and then wait and see Pogba's choice. If he stays then I don't see us moving on anyone, but if he leaves then i think out hand will be forced.

RedDevil19

29 May 2012 09:42:19
Just a thought but could you think hazard to Chelsea is a hoax as Chelsea have come out and said that they will announce it when they sign someone like marko Marin they confirmed that yet they haven't said anything about hazard

Just my opinion but probably just trying to be positive and think we could still get him


Dwright.

29 May 2012 09:38:35
I'm disappointed we didn't get Hazard!
Only stupid and jealous people are saying that they're glad because he is on money only. He just choose CFC ahead of us, fact.
We don't compete with wages CFC and City can offer, and nowadays football is more about money than anything else. He's wasn't born in England, so what do you expect, he's United fan since he was born!?

This year PL will be much tougher, we'll probably be fighting against Chelsea and City and maybe Arsenal. If we don't buy World Class players, will be 2 years in a row now, for sure.

Kawaga must come to us and maybe Lavezzi, someone who can shine right away and maybe try Lucas Moura if money is available.

But one thing is for sure, the stupid excuse of 'market value' can't come up again.

Lets move on. Hazard won't make a team win the trophies alone he would be a great addition, but we have a great 'TEAM(partnership)' and we need just to add more quality to find the Equilibrium point between our players.

Nick86

29 May 2012 09:29:43
Now that this silly Hazard saga is over lets get some quality players in.
They don't have to be 30-35 million pound signings they just have to be right for United.
Shinji Kagawa has to be a definate and would suit us perfectly. Hopefully a powerhouse Midfielder, my pick would be young Kevin Strootman followed by James Rodriguez from Porto.
Last would be a left fullback, maybe Clyne from Palace.
We would be looking at maybe a 60 million pound spend, not forgetting the players who are going out. The likes of Berbatov, Macheda, Kusack, Park and maybe Anderson who would bring in around 20 million pounds so the net spend would be around 40 million.
I don't think i could take it watching another year of Paul Scholes (even though he did play well but far to old), Ryan Giggs, Darren Fletcher, Anderson and Park.
The clearout must happen and surely Fergie knows this, we need fresh young players that want to play for this fantastic club.
Im not being negative when i say this and i may get pelted but i hnoestly think that we won't bring in the players that we have been linked with, im even worrying about the Kagawa deal now because in typical Man United fashion they have gone in with a lower bid and Dortmund have turned us down alerting all the other clubs now.
Lets hope im wrong!

Simmo

I'd agree that I have absolutely no idea who United will sign this summer, also hoping that the Kagawa deal will be done soon, the longer it's dragged out the less likely I think it will happen. I can't see 1 of Gaitan/Rodriguez coming as they require large bids to get them away from their current clubs, Rodriguez in particular

Simmo I agree with you on every point and every player (in and out). Although Clyne and a LB will be signed IMO as Clyne is a RB.

Sydney!

29 May 2012 09:26:50
Now that we know hazard is off to chelsea we should step up in chase for other targets to ensure we dont miss out. If we were willing to spend big on hazard surely we will have other targets, I would like to see these come in

1) Kagawa
2) Strootman or M'Villa
3) Wolfswinkel or lewandowski
4) cissokho
5) Powell

what you think eds? {Ed004's Note - Don't rate Wolfswinkel...}

29 May 2012 09:20:41
There maybe other meaning behind the tweet. I can think of 2 possibility.

1. Two horse race - Hinted Man City have drop out, as he want to sign for CL winner.

2. He want to sign for the team that have the highest chance to win CL, so he tweet 'the' CL winner?

Your clutching at straws mate, hes going to chelsea, end off

29 May 2012 09:05:29
If we are going the cheaper route (which is fine by me as long as that debt is being reduced) then I would love to see Kagawa, Boilesen, matias suarez ,and if Pogba leaves then maybe a sven bender. Remeber, the warrior Vidic will be back next season he missed I believe 32 league matches this past year and we lost on goal difference . Kagawa and a healthy Cleverly add the required creativity in middle. Boilesen is tall,fast, great going forward perfect for the premier league where you don't want your full backs being bullied by bigger strikers. Matias Suarez is a proper striker he is extremely fast he is clinical scores a variety of goals and has a lot of skill. He is a combination of Welbeck and Chicharito in that he can build up play and run the channels like welbeck but is a potent finisher like chicharito. He reminds me slightly of Higuain he would be a solid replacement for the departing Berbatov and Owen. Just a slight tinkering with certain areas of the squad and we'll be back to the top of pile.The boss will be looking for blood next year baby!

RJ

29 May 2012 08:03:29
Edds? Now hazard has gone Chelsea do you think there's any chance in fergie going for the likes of Munian or another prospect? Can hopefully see the kagawa deal finalised now as I personally think he was back up choice to hazard?


Any one else got any ideas on who you think united will look at now? Dwright.

He would be marvelous for us! A very hard working player. We need one of his kind.

29 May 2012 08:24:41
Hi All,

I love Utd to bits, but we have to realistic, there is a much more even playing field out there & ever since we sold Beckham & Ronaldo we became a perceived "selling" club. If any Utd fan says we have had a good team since Ronaldo left they are seeing us through rose coloured spectacles.

Ferguson is not the draw he once was for a player & let's be honest, most foreign players would sooner live in London than Manchester, especially when you take into account the money & where you can spend it, London becomes very attractive.

We do need midfielders & as much as I respect Ferguson, he has not build well in that department & why we are not paying Pogba, if he rates him, is beyond me. Maybe it is financials, but I doubt it.

This is a very important summer, most of of so called talented youngsters are not turning out that great, good yes, but not great. We do not have to buy a huge name, but need two or three brilliant 20-23 year olds that are brilliant now.

I hope we do, because we have been living under false pretences as our position in the league does not represent the poor team & squad we have. Put this team against the Ronaldo one or Scholes Keane prime team & they would be beaten easily.

I also think Ferguson needs better coaching staff & not what seems to be yes men. The second in command should provide an alternate view with fresh ideas, rather than Phelan who gives the impression that is not the case.

Viva Utd, let's get back to a brilliant fast team & lose Carrick, Berba, Anderson, Park etc

Michael

Loose carrick! you talk rubbish mate, carrick is a very good footballer

Carrick has skill yes, but tell me when he ever commanded a big game or took it by the scruff of the neck! We need people who can move forward fast, break up a move with a killer tackle & dribble on & deliver a killer pass or shot. The player does not seem to have the confidence to do this & goes missing in big games.

Michael

Michael - have you not watched us play this season? he's been the only player we've had who has played well over the entire year.

I've said it before and I'll say it a million times if we never had Carrick we wouldn't be in the top 4 right now.

The Moon.

29 May 2012 08:11:49
I know this page is getting full of Hazard comments and quotes, but people say he is going Chelsea cause of this quote: "I'm signing for the Champions League winner"

That is Chelsea I know, but it could also be United as we have won it before. City seem out of it, as far as I'm aware, cause they ain't won it yet.

Just my speculation

Brooksy

29 May 2012 08:02:49
I am not 100% sure he has signed for chelsea he has just said champions league winner is that this season or next with hazard expect a twist ??

Jple23

He has pretty much signed for Hazard, time to let go lads and move on.

Sydney!

Keep dreaming!

Nick86

29 May 2012 07:45:00
Just a thought but maybe with Chelsea seeming to have all but signed hazard maybe their interest in hulk has died down a little and has opened the door for us too make a move ?
Pg14

29 May 2012 07:39:33
Guys who do u think is better between hazard and kagawa

At the moment? Hazard.
in 5 years when they have reached their potential? Anyones guess.

Whistler

29 May 2012 07:36:33
Well now that Hazard has made his choice.Im glad he's made a massive mistake coz he's just turned down the best club in the world.he would have given the chance of building on his undoubted talent and maybe would have become one of the best players in the world.Fergie as we all know is a fantastic man manager,he gets the best out of players!theres a lot of controversy at Chelsea and I feel there will be too much pressure on him especially after all the arrogent shenanigans he's built up around himself.And there will be no am of fergies to put around him to steady his young head.I can't see him being a great player everyone thinks he would be at Chelsea.he doesn't suit they're style of play,just like Torres..I feel hel be swollowed up.good luck to him.its bad decision in my eyes but hey he just ain't a real red of Manchester is he ....

Super Red

Super Red - this is where you're going wrong.

To Eden Hazard, a Belgian footballer, Manchester United is NOT the best club in the world. Please, when talkign about transfers, try to be neutral, as this is the stance 99% of foreign footballers would take considering they don't have any opinion on Man Utd.

To Hazard, Real Madrid is the best club in the world. So it doesn't matter who he joins in England, Madrid is where his heart is.

So your sentiment is right, but the sooner we get off our high horses and stop assuming that every foreign youngster should be brimming with pride at joining us, the better. It's a similar attitude, I feel, that hampers us in the transfer market.

Instead of financially convincing players that Utd is where it's at, we're sitting back defiantly and hoping that our 'history' is enough to convince them.

Remind anyone of Liverpool?

RED_SKY

Red sky -thanks for your comment and I do agree on your opinion on players like hazard seeing real Madrid as being the best team in the world.but What I am trying to say is Man utd have been the greatest team in England for many many years.and Alex ferguson is and has been the greatest manager in England.now that hasn't burned out and fergie hasn't gone yet.We are Man utd and we are a club that should be up there fighting with the worlds best.without getting into much detail.Ronaldo wouldn't be the player he is without his experience under fergie and manutd.Eden hazard turned down the chance to experience that possibility of being the best he can be,and I
feel with the way Chelsea deal with players and mgrs,hazard will not become as good as he can be.its not our history that's gonna convince them.its the being able to get the chance of being coached and thought and advised by one of the best managers there is in the game.knowing that your up there with the best and competing for titles,European titles and being the best!we are a huge Club.we need to continue that!as I said to a city fan the other day,enjoy your premiership title while you can because fergie and utd will be taking it back next season,and if not next season I'tl be the the season after,cause Fergie and utd has fought off them all,and we still go on!we are always up there putting ourselves in the position to win titles.and thats what players like eden hazard should be playing for.whether theyre real madrid fans or not they should be making the best decisions for themselves!and I don't feel hazard has made the right choice.i mean we are certainly a better club than Chelsea.theres always contraverse,mgrs getting sacked nearly every year.its ridicules.nway I think I've gone on a bit much but
I'm just gonna keep the red flag flyin high

Super red

29 May 2012 07:10:01
Thinking back to last year was it Kagawa that Ngiak/Gan was always going on about? Can any of the regulars or Ed007 remember? What has happened to Ngiak?

RedMoz {Ed007's Note - He/it has been about I noticed, use the search function at the top of the page.}

He hasn't been on since he said that penguins weren't a type of bird.

M.D"""
dear mr redmoz
yes its the same kagawa
ngiak would love to see him in a red shirt
unless the club (once again) deliberately shoots themselves in the foot with underbidding and under paying
penguins have evolved beyond the simple bird species dear mr m.d
thats why ngiak considers them distant cousins..
ngiak wonders why he even needs to explain...
gan

29 May 2012 07:01:43
Now as we all know SAF tried to sign hazard by offering him No.7 jersey vacated by Owen and a role which rooney played last season so rooney can play play up front,however he has chosen money ahead of titles. Plan B IMO should be Gaitan or Rodriguez ranging 25-30mp and want to play for United with wages around 90k p.w.
Kagawa,Baines are surely heading towards O.T. for 14mp and 10mp respectively. then if we get powell for 4mp who seems to be a replcment for Pogba can be fantastic. And finally someone like Martinez would be icing on the cake.
Rodriguez/Gaitan - 25mp plus ando(90k pw wages)
kagawa - 15mp(60k pw)
baines-10mp(60k pw)
powell-4mp (20k pw)
Total - 54mp signing fee and wages of 230k p.w..
Utd pays 130k p.w to both berba and owen,therefore by signing these above players utd wouldnt have to pay extra from their pockets for their wages.

GGMU.
reddevil forever

"Now as we all know SAF tried to sign hazard by offering him No.7 jersey"

DO WE ALL KNOW ? I didn't know that - did SAF say it - or was somebody hacking the phones / e.mail? - How do we all know?

or should that have read ... as a few people have speculated....?

Mike

29 May 2012 06:58:50
Hi Ed's and everyone -

Do you think that it is about time the big clubs (Bayern, Utd , Barca - etc the old group of 14) got together and sorted some rules ou,t to control these agents who seem to be sucking the industry dry?
Even lawyers have a limit on the fees that they can suck out of society .

Mike

29 May 2012 05:56:10
if man utd dont sign hazard i hope he doesnt add to the list of players that we have let slip through our fingers as it was us that alerted lverpool to torres. Us that alerted chelsea to essien and if im not mistaken silva/aguera.dzeko we looked at. In fergie we trust

29 May 2012 05:27:33
giving all a little hope.. but a little.. u can shout on me for this. but hazard has never stated that " he is signing for the current champions league winner" he said he is joining CL winner. we also had won it in past isnt it? why it cant be us? has anyone seen or heard him directly saying chelsea? sorry if i have missed anything important. so i say just chill and wait for final announcement, let me know if he has clearly stated chelsea anywhere ok??please post this ed,,
rodio17.

We don't want him now, he is a media whore. Move on, lets spend the money on players who want to play for us...exciting times!

GDS

29 May 2012 04:30:45
Ok now that Hazard seems to be off the list. Bring on Rodriguez, Modric, Van Persie, Kagawa, Muniain, Strootman. Oh wait a minute, but not signing Hazard is the end of the world isn't it?

There is still some very good players out there to be bought, its sad the knee-jerk reactions from people.

The transfer window hasn't closed yet.

REDFAITH

Strootman and Kagawa really could make a difference to our first XI and they are just 22 and 23 respectively and both relatively cheap. Rodriguez would be nice, but part of me believes Gaitan has been earmarked as the player to get if the Hazard deal fell through. Gaitan has his heart on the United move and his agent fees and salary wouldn't be an issue. Fee still remains to be the issue with Benfica wanting around £25m for him according to reports. Don't mind paying that for a 21 year old Hazard or a 20 year old Rodriguez, but not a 24 year old Gaitan. £15m plus Anderson wouldn't be a bad deal, but would prefer to use Anderson in a deal to secure Rodriguez personally. I think if we signed Rodriguez we wouldn't need a striker, but with Gaitan we would so perhaps it would be cheaper to go for Rodriguez in the long run? Well lets wait and see. I think Powell, Clyne and Willems will be the youth players signed this summer.

Sydney!

Not the end of the world Red Faith, but every player you've just mentioned will price themselves out of a move to OT.

Even the supposed lesser names like Strootman.

RED_SKY

29 May 2012 01:48:40
I am happy that the Hazard issue has been resolved and he did not sign with MUFC. I strongly believe in team chemistry and loyalty to the shirt/ badge you wear on the pitch. It certainly did not seem Hazard was worthy to wear the red shirt by the antics displayed by him.

As much as I am disappointed in the decline in performance of Evra, I love the pride he has of wearing the red of MUFC.
I just love guys like Valencia that exude pride representing the red devils.

So, let's get Kagawa signed as it his dream to wear the MUFC shirt and play in the EPL. Either Playing on left wing or the support striker role, he will work well with Rooney and the rest of the team.

AIJ

AIJ

Why do you think Kagawa deal has gone quiet then?
Are we tying up loose ends?

Or, now that Kagawa has publicly spoken of his admiration for United and desire to join us.....are we going to sit on our hands and try and force him to cut his wage demands? Or force him o change his agent?

RED_SKY

29 May 2012 00:53:08
I have seen people asking for Fergie to get the sack over this Hazard situation on Twitter and even on here once or twice. I cannot believe these people can even call themselves Man United fans. Oh how this club has changed in the last 10 years.

Hoppy

True.

From being able to spend 30m on a bloody CB to not being able to offer the extra 5m or 30k a week to attract world class attacking players. How times have changed

Some people just can't think straight Hoppy - their whole life seems to need validation by how much somebody else spends on some overpriced 21 yr old.

They need to grow up and wake up - for Christ sake - if city didn't think the deal was worth it! Why should anyone else -

Mike

I know people who think SAFs time is up.

Personally I think SAFs appeasement of the owners has done him no favours. SAF was the sole reason we came second last season , we would have been further back with any other manager.

I can understand Gill being supportive of the Glazers and to an extent SAF but our buying policy is a joke now with far too many top names going elsewhere. Therefore now I am interested in Gills excuses and whether SAF will be as openly supportive of our wonderful owners in future

SAFs time is nearly up but he has to watch he doesn't do watch Clough did and go on too long

Red Man

Glazers killed us already and fegies to arrogant nowadays- clubs dead

You want us to spend £200k a week on a player who only wants the money with no Premier league experience no name?

How would that affect all the players who have worked hard for the club for what they earn. If somebody came in at your work on treble your salary to do the same job how would you feel? Think about things eh.

GDS

29 May 2012 00:37:10
I believe hazard will join Chelsea but two things have caught my eye.
why didnt Hazard say he was joining Chelsea insted of "Champions League Winner"
And one hour ago BBC SPORT put this on the website.
:Chelsea statement to Associated Press "as with all transfers, when we have something to annouce we will annouce it in the usual way".
Why would they let him announce it on his twitter if they wanted to annouce it in there usual way ? If they had infact signed him surely they would have backed up Hazards claims today ? As i said i do believe he will sign for them i just thought it was abit odd.

L.A.7

The only consolation for us is that Hazard will never be half the player he could be with us. Chelsea are not in the business of player development. When they fail to win anything next year, they will spend another 30m on the flavor of the month then. Hope he buggers off to Spain in 2-3 years.

Really hope we turn Kagawa into a better player than Hazard.

He may be hinting that Man City has drop out and now it is between 2 clubs which are Chelsea and Man united? Man United is also a Champions League Winner.

He said "I'm signing for THE champions league winner".

Not "A champions league winner"

29 May 2012 00:18:29
Hi eds thanks for working so hard to keep the posts coming tonight .any chance we could have a stop on the hxxxxrd on the rumour pages . I think we all wanna talk about who's comin . I'm still excited not disappointed .moura , kagawa, mvilla , pogba , fryers lots of good signings on the horizon ? Maybe , factors in all transfers some happen and some don't been happening before we were all born, thanks. Ps can't wait to see who's gettin the 7 . Maybe saf has something hidden up his sleave all along. Nameless and shameless .

M'Vila looks set for Arsenal, Pogba seems destined for Juventus and Lucas Moura would cost an arm and a leg! I'll be surprised if we don't sign Kagawa though.
T0MB0Z

Hi no offence mate the point was based on who is coming, not who is not x

28 May 2012 23:59:56
To all the deluded fans who keep slating anyone who wants to see the club return to where we should be - How can you say that these fans are not supporting the team? Can you not see that there needs to be a serious investment in the club? Can you not see that its this very investment thats being sucked out of the club into the Glazers greedy pockets? Fans have a right to complain about the state of the club and you're the ones who's in the minority so maybe its you who needs to change the attitude! Manchester United makes huge profits, the fans are worldwide and spend their hard earned cash on the club and they support the team every game they watch - can you say the same about Avi or Joel Glazer? Absolutely not, yet they are the ones who dictate the running of the club, they are not even football fans, they are greedy american business men who see us fans as nothing more than headless dollar signs there to be exploited, its sickening.

Flimbo

We spent £50 million last seasons, we only failed to get sneijder because his wage demands were mad. We will spend money, we will buy quality players. Be patient my friend....

UNITED_LEGENDS

Brilliant, well said sir!

And the revolution started because of disillusioned Man Utd fans!
Eat your heart out, Lenin.

M.D.

Well said Flimbo but there are still people like UNITED LEGENDS and M.D. who will defend the Glazers and put their heads in the sand. I AM KLOOT

We spent 50 million last year out of the ronnie money that sat in the bank for 2 years,wheres the other 30million and the extra 25 mill a season the glazers promised fergie ?
johndenton

".... but there are still people like ....."

and there are still sad old gits like KLOOT who will never give at rest (just a little rest)

:)
Mike

Johndenton

Well said.
That £50m, or rather say £30-35m of it, was still sat there from the Ronaldo sale.

So where was the other mountain of money SAF supposedly gets? If he'd spent all of that as well, we'd have spent £100m+ last summer.

Just goes to show how powerful misdirection can be. David Gill says "The Ronaldo money is still there."

The fans then believe him when we spend £50m, but fail to remember the other £40m or so SAF was apparently entitled to also.

So where's that gone?

Spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin.

RED_SKY