Manchester United Banter Archive October 29 2014

29 Oct 2014 18:49:52
Hi all 'Philosophy is just spiel for fools to swallow'. I have copied and pasted this from Ed001's post earlier. the fools that follow the same philosophy are spain germany france Belgium and holland, klopp, mouriniho, pep, bayern barcelona, bilbao, espanyol, madrid in fact nearly all spanish clubs deportivo being 1 exception all german clubs all dutch clubs. But its just a speil ;)

Ken
Lvg preaches about his philosophy but its nothing new i also think its lost in translation a bit .
He likes to play a certain style of football that has shown to be successful for a number of years, i'm not sure that's a philosophy .
i actually wasnt impressed with hollands style of football under lvg and i thought munich where dreadful to watch.
Peps barce played football that was a real change almost total football .
Imo power and pace is now taking over watch munich or madrid even chelsea.

Jose plays a certain way, pep does fergy did .
Bayern imo finished barcelona with power and pace madrid will dominate with the same tactic.
The difference in styles and tactics in the last madrid v barce game was huge .

29 Oct 2014 19:21:08
Erm I don't quite understand the post, have I missed something?

29 Oct 2014 21:14:05
You can reduce football to just six words: Pass the ball score a goal. Everything else is tinkering.

29 Oct 2014 21:51:07
the philosophy is nothing to do with playing formation and little to do with playing style. you are right jred, there is a complete lack of understanding on what
LVG means when he talks about philosophy to the press

When lvg left barcelona he said it was because the spanish wouldn't buy into his philosophy .
To be honest i think its all bs .
Every manager has his own style and methods some good some bad .
Look at the difference wegner made at arsenal both on and off the pitch.

Wenger has won one trophy in nine years!!! So what's your point?
Obviously lvg is not good enough in your opinion, he has come in and changed the playing staff, the system, the setup. And you expect us to become world beaters overnight? Get a grip.

Jred, u said "power and pace is now taking over" . just wondering taking over from what exactly?

Mr E, your philosophy is flawed. Passing the ball and scoring a goal is the easy bit. Stopping the other team scoring is the hard part. Just look at our form for the past couple of seasons.

29 Oct 2014 16:13:59
Redfaith and ed001
I totally agree
tried to make the same point myself a few days ago and it didn't go down to well.
I don't think lvg should be sacked.
I think he will prob do ok at united.
But i don't think he has done a great job so far and to be honest the only improvement i have seen has been down to the new players.
I think you add 200 mil worth of talent to a team you will see an improvement.
Lvg has a decent record as a manager but not great imo, yet many seem to think he's some genius . Barcelona and munich wouldn't appoint him again in a million years.

Its also a good point about blind, starts moves of well, uses the ball well but the defensive part of his game hasn't been up to the standard.
We don't look solid at the back and as the dcm i think he is part of the problem

Blind is good at putting his body in there but I think the problem lies with his pace, he is very slow at times.

{Ed002's Note - That is the problem he was tainted with in the Netherlands.}

Just like Real Madrid wouldn't appoint Mourinho again in a million years.

And Bayern? Sorry, but didn't he do very well there? In fact, Lahm recently admitted he laid the groundwork for the current success.

Herbie
I think his positional play isn't great at times when defending.

Gagus
No he never pal .
The fact you think he did says it all.

Blind is not good enough protection in front of a back 4, not nearly good enough in front of 3, at Manchester United we need top class players in every position, we all know the defence and the defensive midfielder are pretty ordinary, simple just not good enogh for united, I'd give the manager time to fix it, fingers crossed

29 Oct 2014 19:32:46
Blind is an improvement on what we had or didn't have. He is probably not the solution but will turn out to be a fine and versatile squad player. Lvg will be judged at the end of the season. As I said last year before moves went and I say the same now for this season, no matter how long a contract I expect certain clauses to be in there. If lvg doesn't get cl football and top 4 then he will be gone as I believe it's the minimum requirement because of ultimately money. If he gets cl then he will be there next season. Our football has improved but then it should given the amount of money spent. Give time he will tweak the club from youth to the top hopefully using proven systems from ajax foremost and then barca/bayern etc. I expect more Dutch based youngsters to come too. But I am genuinely excited now before games and I feel we are getting back a little bit of a fear factor certainly attacking wise anyway with the potential to chase games if needed. I don't think i can say that for any match or period last season under moves. Some of the play I've seen this season has been much more methodical with more of a diagonal approach with player moving into other players spaces which is far better and more suited to the way we would historically play. I've also noticed that De Gea is very rarely kicking the ball up field. It is nearly always going straight to a cb or rb/lb. Much better. 2 things I want from the club I love. Results and good football and I think we are achieving one of those. We didn't have either last season imo.