Manchester United Banter Archive September 29 2012

29 Sep 2012 23:30:48
Guys on a different note, I a m quite embarrassed by SAF post match comments nowadays. From the De Gea comments a few weeks ago to today. I don't know what is going on but he seems to blame everything and everyone but himself. Shahram

Its known as pride mate!

He can't bring himself to admit he fudged up the selection to end up with us chasing a 2 goal deficit by half time!

Simply put spurs played us at our own game and won. We are used to being clinical on the break and demoralising teams but it was just so easy for them. Bale walked through, Dembele ran the CM (well worth the reported 5m we bid for him) they were direct, through the centre and pressed our team.

The same tactics anyone can use and be successful against us!

Anyone can see it but the guys in charge obviously think not.

As soon as I heard the team I just sat back as there is nothing to be excited about anymore. We know what's gonna happen!

I'm gonna save up and buy a ticket around his area and give him nothing but constant tactical tips as to how we should play but chances are I would get kicked out!

Jono

29 Sep 2012 23:08:18
I've had enough of this now. This is not the United of '10/11 or 07/08. This is utter rubbish. We need to strengthen our defence and midfielder now.

Bring in a new CB is for sure, Ogbonna would be nice but we need a world class CB. Hummels for me.

We need to fix CM and Vidal would be unbelievable, as would Fabregas (never going to happen). I'd stick with Strootman though. The Croatian wonderkid sounds nice too.

Get Nani out if he is going to be this bad, and bring in James Rodriguez, and for flip sake Fergie, PLAY DE GEA!

No point in bringing in the Croatian youngster, Fergie wouldn't play him anyway because Giggs would still be at the club!

-JakeW

29 Sep 2012 22:24:41
nani didnt play great but played much much better than he has in the last few games all because he played on the RIGHT!

sulei

29 Sep 2012 22:13:27
First time poster who has been an OT regular since 1968. I am eternally grateful to SAF for rescuing my club from the mediocrity of the football I witnessed in the 70s and 80s, however he has always had a stubborn streak since the days of Clayton Blackmore and Ralph Milne through to the present day.

As many others have expressed here he persists with an ageing midfield and an outdated system despite the obvious (to almost everbody else) lack of aggression, pace and youth that is clearly required in that area of the team.

I feel that Giggs (who has been a wonderful servant to this club) should not start in any match against a team of reasonable quality but my biggest concern is that we continue to rely upon the wonderful Paul Scholes to keep the team ticking at his advanced age - something must change and if the Manager continues to deny the obvious I fear that it will have to be him!!

PS great site and thanks to all the Eds for such a great job. Banter Please

Doc Ock

Totally agree Doc, though I would say though its his last season Scholes is still better than 90% of the play makers in the world today so his place is justified, sadly other older players places certainly arent
Invisible STuey

29 Sep 2012 21:40:14
Lmao awww diddums do you think you should of had some penalties! What a joke, the amount of time spurs have been robbed against you badsports is criminal. Lol at you moaning hypocrites, feels soo good oh yeah lol at your grandad team who rely on a scouser to up your game, you couldnt make it up could ya!! Coys and lol at Manchester United. Enjoy.

spurs guvnor

Some of the lingo you're spewing out puts you in the age range of 13-16 your club won't win anything yet again, or for a very long time. So enjoy todays win. The second half proved your an average team, you absolutely sh*t yourselves when we woke up.

^^ Yeah like Rio did when Bale walked past him.....and scored.

Not a spurs fan but agree with the o poster,and the best part is watching taggart complain about everything in aftermatch interview, what a prat,lol

Someone has waited a very long time to write that ;) SAdly I would agree with what he is saying, all be it in a very immature way
Invisible STuey

29 Sep 2012 21:17:33
hard luck today lads

Puzzled

Puzzled, I am sorry but your club is in a mess right now, 5th from bottom? Only team you can beat is Norwich City?! Maybe it's Liverpool's season this year?

-JakeW

The worst part about it all is in the first half we played like Liverpool normally do, now that is really concerning!

Jono

Jono like you played last week

No name

It's like we have played all season bar a couple of good 45 mins.

Nothing new this season!

Jono

29 Sep 2012 21:02:44
We just can't play with 2 traditional wingers anymore because our mid is crap and defense is also old and slow. They need cover and the flood gates are open when we play this way.

29 Sep 2012 20:40:42
Tottenham are just miles better than Man utd, simple as.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

^^ Yes we will thanks...tick tock tick tock

29 Sep 2012 20:35:25
On another note..
Nani can hit all the reserve players he likes if he plays like that every game.

Its absolutely no coincidence that Nani had a much improved game when played primarily down the right.

TK-Red

TK

He played alright in the second half when we pressed them back but in the first his non existence in our half had Rafa doubled up on all half mate.

Overall a good game though.

Jono

Other than scoring nani was crap
johndeton

Thats true Jono but nobody covered themself with glory in the first half. Nani is always at his best when attacking. Let this game be a lesson to people who claim we should start playing without wingers. Our wingers were our main threat in the second half IMO and, as you rightly say, allowing the full backs to be doubled up in is a mistake.

TK-Red

29 Sep 2012 20:23:27
even though we lost im pleased with the second half perfomance if we play like that from the start this could be a big season.
rooney, nani, kagawa & van king all interchanging was a thing of beauty scholes looked like he jus came out a time machine his performance was wow the amount of times he pinged that diagonal ball to nani was crazy kagawa did really well on the left was a bit disappointed when he came off as if feel he was unlocking doors him an rooneys movement coming deep gave scholes time on the ball and nani played well 2 he will gain some confidence from that game i like him more than valencia with this system coz hes not such a traditional winger he can interchange positions where as valencia is 1 dimensional hel stick to the touch line all night either way very excited about next match

marlow

I agree with this post but i still think we need to sort out our midfield, centre backs and left back before we can start saying that this will be an exciting season. I think we should start with cleverly and ando and if we need more going forward we bring on scholes.

Also I dont understand why De Gea is not playing. IMO he would probs would have helped us win the game today

James

Marlow, we are a average team with the current set up and lost to a team who had not beaten us in 20 years at old trafford. I am starting to wonder if we are all watching the same games. SAF better get a grip and either buy in January or change his set up and selection. Furious with this s...it.

Shahram

29 Sep 2012 20:00:46
Ok I am going to tell everyone a little thing that happened during that game.. My Grandad isn't much of the football supporter, he only watches it if I am. While we had the ball and kept passing it back he said to me "Hey Jake why are they always passing around at the back when they are losing?" Now this is coming from someone who doesn't even know the offside rule!

Just a few points I have to express:

- De Gea should have played, some of thos goals could have been saved, the 3rd one of all of them, De Gea would have held it.

- Giggs shouldn't play in big games. He is slow, bad a passing and just can't do it anymore. Welbeck or Cleverley should have played there, or even Anderson!

- Nani finally had a good game, hopefully we will see this more from him.

- Scholes and Rooney were amazing in the second half.

- Carrick suprised me, I noticed that when we were pushing forward we were playing good, FERGIE BLOODY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT FOR THIS GOD DAMN SEASON!! NO MORE BLOODY SIDE PASSES FOR 10 MINUTES! ( Sorry for caps )

- Ferdinand is losing his legs, new defender must be brought in next summer.

It is really worrying that Spurs dominated in the first half and we only played good when we were losing.

I need to go cool off, il go take a walk.

-JakeW

Sorry Jake I think we watched different games Nani was the same old ball wasting player he usually is. He scored when it was harder to miss so nothing of note there. Really did you notice Rooney hit one cross from the right and we scored but that is Nanis job and he can't do it? Very strange comments I agree with a few but Nani was still a long way off a good game.

Darren-Bermuda

Just got home from the match, have to agree that Giggs was shocking, and shouldn't be allowed near the pitch for a good long while. My question for Fergie would be, what are you saying to the team before a game? Why does it take a roasting at half time to get them going!!??

You have got a point Darren. I should have said Nani played a little better than last week, I hope he improves his game sooner rather than later though.

-JakeW

29 Sep 2012 19:55:10
It is time we start calling for Mr Fergie's resignation.He has done well for us but I think he has lost the track of modern footballing

Scouser on a wind up...

=v1=

Go back to your own site and let us suffer in peace. I AM KLOOT

He may well be a scouser on the wind up but he's got a point, Fergie chooses the team and he chose it wrong AGAIN today...
HERBIE

SAF has lost all track of time

29 Sep 2012 19:51:43
I hope SAF realises now that there is no place for sentiment in football.we have an aging side with no pace in midfield or at the back,he has held onto players that he should of replaced at least two seasons ago and more importantly has not strengthened where we needed it the most,young players are being ignored and disheartened by sitting and watching the old guard struggle.Today we needed energy in our midfield against Spurs but got the exact opposite from his team selection.
TheSpartanred

29 Sep 2012 19:45:01
Flethcher where he was ed/syd)?...in todays match...**c*

29 Sep 2012 19:44:16
Dembele like mid fielder..needs man utd..not kagawa..

Green_thorn

Clueless. I AM KLOOT

Are correct you.... think i

United are chicken dembele Barca sponge potato marco Kagawa?

-JakeW

29 Sep 2012 19:39:40
The game was crying out for someone like Petrucci and Hernandez on earlier. People who think Lindegaard is better than de gea should take a look at those goals

Caolán.

29 Sep 2012 19:37:42
Have to start with Rooney, RVP and Kagawa in the same line up next week, 4-3-3 is the way to go would say Clevers and Anderson with a holding mid, but we don't have one.

Have no idea how Fergie thought the old men of Giggs, Carrick, Scholes and Evra were going to compete with the youth and athletisism of Tottenham. I very rarely complain about fergie but what the hell was he thinking! Giggs and Evra are done! There is no room for them in a high profile match like today. Scholes was great but he needs pace and strength around him when played.

------------DDG---------------
Rafa----Ferd---Evans----Buttner
-----------Carrick-------------
-----Clevers-----Anderson------
Rooney------RVP-------Kagawa

Surely this was the way to go, with an interchanging from 5!

Red Joe

For me it has to be a midfield and front line of:

_Carrick/Scholes__Cleverley

Nani_______Rooney_____Kagawa

____________RVP

TK-Red

29 Sep 2012 19:32:57
Even though we lost that match showed how important to us Wayne Rooney is for us. He completely changed the tempo and gave us an attacking edge which was lacking in the 1st half.
And I hate to keep flogging a dead pony we still need a real defensive midfielder, or just anyone with some muscle and pace. Carrick and Scholes cannot be relied to defend.

Jaxer

29 Sep 2012 19:31:52
a bad first half cost us the game.
SAF needs to realise that carrick giggs and scholes is just too slow, we need anderson cleverley and carrick in the middle to add pace and cover for the back four.

PS, can't wait for smalling to get back and add some pace to our back four.

JK92

29 Sep 2012 19:30:21
no de gea,fletcher.cleverley,anderson wot the hell is going on!

29 Sep 2012 19:28:28
Don't play Giggs again. Sorry Ryan, you are done. We would not have lost this match without all 3 of Carrick, Giggs, Scholes in same midfield. Great second half, great energy. What do Anderson and Cleverly have to do to get picked ahead of Giggs?

Wait till they are over 30 and then they will be fine.

-JakeW

29 Sep 2012 18:54:07
We are simply awful without Rooney! please Fergie, invest in the middle already! Giggs has lost it now.

29 Sep 2012 18:44:06
Ferdinand is looking poor today very poor looking a mile off the pace

29 Sep 2012 18:27:38
Our season so far has been embarrassing...... We have played shocking football which is slow and unwatchable at times..... Giggs,Nani,Carrick,Ferdinand and Evra are all punching above their weight and should of been replaced a lot sooner. We have been playing with one up front and struggled all season where as when we have had 2 we have looked like a much better side.

29 Sep 2012 18:23:22
Team morale is just not there no leaders on the pitch,Nani and Giggs poor again,carrick,giggs scholes and nani was never going to work against spurs
Again poor team selection and tactics
Cleverley and Anderson must be thinking wtf
TheSpartanred

29 Sep 2012 18:21:10
Glad to see that SAF has got his coat. Perhaps he should get his hat as well, because his team selection is an absolute joke (AGAIN!)

DL10

29 Sep 2012 18:19:16
2nd goals shows us how weak we are. Dembele simply ran away from Scholes, Bale did the same to Ferdinand. A really poor 1st half. SAF can rant all he wants at half time but his team selection was once again lacking.

AJH

29 Sep 2012 18:17:39
With that line up he is losing it. Cleverly Anderson and rooney on the bench it's madness.

29 Sep 2012 18:12:23
We are having a shocker as I expected when I seen the team sheet we lack pace, strength, creativity and goals.. Giggs,Scholes,Carrick swap for Cleverley,Anderson and Rooney.

29 Sep 2012 18:09:53
Too many passengers. Rio, Evra, Scholes and Giggs are all past it and all need to leave this summer. Maybe Carrick as well.

And Fergie, sad to say but we need freshening up, thanks for 12 league titles and 2 champions leagues but we need fresh ideas and a manager who appreciates a young energetic midfiekd 3 wins games!!

29 Sep 2012 18:07:42
Disgusting team selection and performance and SAF should give himself a hairdryer talk. This team is very unbalanced. Get Rooney, Anderson and Welback on. Shahram

29 Sep 2012 18:06:34
This is pathetic!!

Ferdinand needs to go, and we need fergie to realise that playing scholes, carrick and giggs in midfield will lead us getting destroyed in midfield

James

29 Sep 2012 17:40:08
Once again our manager has got the tactics all wrong, it's like a broken record. Wake up!

29 Sep 2012 18:04:46
This was a long time coming, DDG would have made that save, sick tired of watching the same garbage. SAF is a legend but I'm afraid the game is passing him by. Giggs and Scholes in a lineup together? Please!

I wonder if fergie will be pleased with a draw ? if so its total crap.

Do the players really want to win this game or what? This is no way Utd style where is the passion in the players.

29 Sep 2012 17:58:53
How is giggs playing brutal line up. very predictable we have become is fergie losing it or what?

29 Sep 2012 17:50:59
This team line up is depressing> And if you guys notice Ferdinand is letting other team come deeper in our zone, by seating to deep.


Red Samurai

29 Sep 2012 17:15:12
Did I just here Fergie say Christian Bale is playing for Spurs? We are up against if Batman is playing against us.

Rjmanutd

Fergie has lost the plot. When will he get his head out his ass about playing Giggs, Scholes and Carrick at the same time.

Kagawa as skillful as he is needs to bulk up to be effective in this league. Rooney should be on the field instead of Giggs.

Don't be surprised if we get about 4 in this game.

KB

29 Sep 2012 17:12:31
i see nani the fearsome fighter is in the first 11 , hey if he ever leaves football he could maybe could go for a title in boxing , in the super-helium weight -class lol..............lfc

Wow your hilarious..

JK92

29 Sep 2012 16:52:42
CONFIRMED: Manchester United XI vs Tottenham Hotspur

Lindegaard, Rafael, Evra, Ferdinand, Evans, Scholes, Nani, Giggs, Carrick, Kagawa and van Persie

Subs: De Gea, Anderson, Wootton, Cleverley, Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck

Furgy just can't get it, is it? With that, we will get punished again, you'll see.

29 Sep 2012 17:03:26
Punished again? Is it me or have we won the last 6 games?

Red Daz

I thought Rooney would play on the left instead of Giggs, but perhaps Rooney coming off the bench could be better if things aren't going well. We have great options and to think we are without Vidic, Smalling, Jones, Buttner, Fletcher, Young, Powell & Valencia today.

Sydney!

29 Sep 2012 18:00:39
Yes Syd its an impressive injury list but just why is Giggs, Scholes and Carrick our midfield 3!!!!!

Red Daz

Won those 5 games doesn't mean you deserved them. You definitely know how lucky we were and how bad we are over-ran.

First game with half decent opponent, then only 1 shot at first half is foreseeable.

Anyway we would have lose to poorest ever lpool last time. So with this line ups, we sure gonna lose with out luck this time. It has been so clearly warned, but still nobody can prevent the disaster. Sad enough.

29 Sep 2012 16:39:04
Giggs and Scholes again, and the star man Nani. Brilliant

AJH

29 Sep 2012 17:03:19
Just incredible... absolutely incredible. I cant get my brains around it. This is happening way too regularly for even a staunch Fergie fan like me to sit up and scratch my head.

Deeps...

29 Sep 2012 13:54:48
My My! .... Ivanovic, Oscar and Luiz!

Their efforts have to go down as the 3 best choreographed dives ever seen. Takes some doing!

For people who say Valencia dived, look at these artists at work!

Deeps...

29 Sep 2012 13:33:03
It will be a telling story today if Nani is dropped again, it will be the latest indication yet that he is going out of the door. I don't want us to go with this team, but I think we will:

__________Linders
Rafa___Ferdy___Evans___Evra
__Scholes__Carrick__Clevs
__Rooney___RVP___Kagawa

The main reason I don't like this line up is that Evra will play against Buttner who I think is better, and also there isn't much penetration/power in midfield. Scholes will run the game, Carrick will sit and Cleverly will try to push on. Now I know that we don't have that driving, Yaya-esq, player in the squad. However Anderson would transform the midfield a little bit I think purely due to his driving runs.

You have to like the look of the forward line though, so much firepower. And their movement should be good. Will be interesting to see us playing a big game without wingers (if SAF chooses to go this way of course).

Fresh!

IMO the most interesting thing today will be if Rooney starts then where will he play? Now having signed RVP we don't need to worry who will score the goals if we drop Rooney back a bit. I'd love to see him in a central midfield 3 with Kagawa/Cleverley and Carrick. Whoever out of Kagawa and Cleverley doesn't play in the centre should be played wide left. Obviously if Nani is dropped because of his alleged bust up with Petrucci then I'd imagine Rooney will be played right of a front 3. It's probable that Scholes will start but I am hoping not despite him still being our best CM. If Spurs line up with Dembele and Sandro in CM then we need legs and energy in CM which Scholesy doesn't bring us. Also I'd like to see De Gea restored to the starting 11 but that isn't looking likely and Buttner in for Evra. However, I don't see either of those changes so I'm going with...

Gk Lindegaard
Rb Rafael
Cb Rio
Cb Evans
Lb Evra
Cm Carrick
Cm Rooney
Cm Cleverley
Rm Nani
Lm Kagawa
Cf RVP

or if Nani is dropped

Gk Lindegaard
Rb Rafael
Cb Rio
Cb Evans
Lb Evra
Cm Carrick
Cm Cleverley
Cm Anderson
Rm Rooney
Lm Kagawa
Cf RVP

Rjmanutd

29 Sep 2012 13:16:12
Bnater please ed..

line up today (IMO)

________lindegaard______
rafael__ferdy__evans__evra
__clevers_carrick_scholes__
_____rooney__kagawa_____
__________RVP___________

29 Sep 2012 12:48:23
Today i'm going a 4-3-2-1 formation:

. Lindegaard
Rafael Rio Evans Evra
Clevz Carrick Anderson
Rooney Kagawa
RVP

29 Sep 2012 12:06:03
Thought it was about time I come on here after reading constant nonsense on here the last few days.
We have a half decent league cup win against the geordie reserves and suddenly we shouldn't be playing with wingers and Clev and Ando are the best thing since sliced bread,hilarious!!!
Ando looked like he was gonna have a heart attack by the time we got to the hour mark,he is useful as a sub nothing more,personally I would give him a piggy back to get him back to Portugal but he is so fat he would break my back.
Clev is average nothing more,my nan is a better finisher than him and she's been dead 20 years.
So you'd all ditch Toni and Nani and Young to play this new system,so with no width how do we get behind teams that put 10 men behind the ball at OT,answers on a postcard to dreamland please.
Please let's get a grip,we all know we need a CM but for the moment Scholesy and Carrick are our best 2 they have proved it year in year out not just for the odd game here and there like Ando and Clev have.
Rant over,tough game today but I fancy us 2-1,would like to see Rooney back in the team today.

Red Daz.

You are hilarious Red Daz.

Why do people keep saying we beat Newcastle's reserves? Just two of their starting line-up were reserve players (Tavernier & Vuckic). There were five fringe players (Ameobi, Obertan, Perch, Gosling & Elliot) and the rest were first team players or first team players coming back from injury. That was no different to us, we had three reserve players starting, six fringe players and Fletcher and Rooney returning from injury. It is what it is, it was a mixture of players who needed games for whatever reason.

Cleverley has been placing his shots trying to be too careful, he will relax a bit now and will be okay. If you ever followed United U18's or reserves or seen Cleverley on loan you would know that he is a great finisher. Just needs to settle and it's hard when there is kn*bs like yourself who will not give him chance to settle in. His shooting will improve, the fact that he is getting into those positions is far more important, how many goals does Wilshere score? How many goals did Scholes average for United when he started playing just in front of the back four? Let the kid settle then judge him.

Sydney!

29 Sep 2012 15:47:32
Sydney,

Don't call me names just because you don't agree with me and don't know your ass from your elbow.
I think it's about time Ed that this was stamped on,typical Disney doesn't agree with you so comes out with silly abusive names.

Red Daz

He didn't call you names.
Djay

Red Daz, nothing you have ever got to say on this page is positive about the club. You are a negative lad and you always will be. Cleverley has played less than 20 competitive games for us and already you are belittling him. Why can't you give him a year before judging him? Will you treat all youth products that our manager has faith in this way? Or just the one's that you don't like? Everyone has a right to an opinion, but surely you can give the lad some time before belittling him like you did. There are people on here who are not sure about Cleverley being the answer, but they are willing to give him a chance and they are not putting him down and having cheap shots at him.

Sydney!

29 Sep 2012 17:14:16
He is a professional footballer he is there to be judged,you really need to take your red tinted glasses off Sydney!!
I am not always negative about the club either,just totally fed up of over reactions on here to a league cup game where we scraped a win and since when has being 23 make you a kid as you called Clev.
I do like him just don't think he is what some people on here make him out to be,give me Carrick or Fletcher over him anyday of the week.

Red Daz.

29 Sep 2012 17:16:39
Syd, i'm starting to learn UTD fans are very often worse than Liverpool fans when it comes to backing our own players and being supportive. Our success has bred greedy little fans who want everything now mate! Sad really.

Whistler.

Cleverley is a Manchester United youth product that has been at the club since he was 12. He has played through all levels and been out on his loans. He is now deemed ready by the manager and is at the club playing his first full season for the Manchester United senior side and is still developing. Age is irrelevant. Everyone has the right to an opinion on any player, but why put a player down that hasn't even finished developing yet? It's a shame that there are fans like you at this club.

Quick question, was your nan really a better finisher? I wouldn't know as I always finished before her ;)

Sydney!

29 Sep 2012 11:37:29
Really hope it's true were in for Alen halilovic. What a talent. And a brain too (the anti-nani!). All the big clubs wil be in for him and the ones with money too. More messi than modric. I kno all players look their best on YouTube but this guy really looks to have it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ_L2nncpNU

29 Sep 2012 09:48:53
Just waking up to the news about Nani and Petrucci. Quite impressed by Nani if I am honest as I never knew he had it in him. I can only think this happened due to Petrucci being the first man. Nani always hits the first man. Cannot see Nani staying beyond January now.

So the ressies won 4.2 last night. Good team goal with Petrucci scoring it. Angelo got his debut goal albeit a close range header. U21's and U18's going well, nothing new there. Great day for sport today lads. 20/20 cricket, Ryder Cup and Arsenal V Chelsea and United Spurs.

Sydney!

29 Sep 2012 08:24:14
If Nani is in trouble and Valencia is injured, perhaps we will get to see the new formation a lot of us have been suggesting. 2 wing backs, holding midfielder, 2 in the middle, and another pushed forward. If all 3 1st choice wide players are injured, there will never be a better time to try it. I don't care if Spurs have wide players, they can't play if we have the ball.

AJH