Manchester United Banter Archive December 02 2012

02 Dec 2012 22:26:44
Do you think that we will sign anyone in January? SAF only a signs big players if we are struggling in a certain position?
Personally... I would love to see
Hummals
CDM

Instead of Hummals why don't we try and buy Hummels?

02 Dec 2012 20:59:54
Shame to see the same players as usual getting all the stick on here.
Carrick was the best midfielder on the pitch last night,so don't get that.
Pat had some cracking runs and did produce some top crosses,i'd even consider playing him LM instead of Young and play Buttner behind him instead,worth trying against Cluj.
Evans had an off day that's for sure but he has been great since the second half of last season,even Ronaldo,Keane,Cantona had bad games so give the guy a break.
Would like to see Cleverley in for Fletch for the City game,Fletch not quite there yet and of course DDG instead of Anders.

Red Daz.

Carrick was good and Evans has been up until yesterday, agree with that. Wouldn't play Evra at LW though that's the kind of thing that sounds better in your head than in practice IMO

Gav

The problem is that when a defender has an off day it is more detrimental to the team than if a winger or forward player has an off day. We can't be too hard on Evans, he's been our best defender along with Rafael (who also had a poor day).

Fresh!

Red Daz

I also agree Carrick is our best over all midfielder and people for some reason love to slag him off. He does all the not so sexy stuff that the other guys can't do.

Shahram

02 Dec 2012 20:27:17
I think everyone has said all that needs to be said about yesterdays performance, so I'm not going to add anything - instead I have 2 questions:

1) Would you welcome us signing Sterling?
2) How would you feel about Sneijder on a free?

I'd probably say yes to both, but would cap Sneijder's wages low and would not pay a transfer fee for him - only a free as its low risk.

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - Yeah I would take both on a free it would be very low risk}

Wesley is still only 28 is a top player and has played many games with RVP.
Would sign him in a heartbeat, he could take over from the Ginger Prince just sit there and control the midfield.

Red Daz

Would be glad with sneijder. Thought his contract was only up in 2015? Has something changed recently because of him being frozen out of the 1st team? Thanks
CDS

Didn't realise Sterling was out of contract in the summer. Just thought he was turning down L'Pool's offer.

Fresh!

Yes defo both good players
jred

CDS, Sneijder is meant to be appealing to Fifa about Inter refusing him a move and being excessively difficult with him. This could mean that he can be relseased from his contract.

Fresh!

If they're both very cheap (apart from Sneijder's wages) then yes. I'm not convinced of Sterling's end product yet so wouldn't pay good money for him. Sneijder is a bit of an anigma to us but if he stayed fit I would imagine him and Kagawa either side of Rooney with RVP up front - could be pretty potent

Don't think either will happen though

Gav

Sneider is absolute class and better than any one of our midfielders currently. I would love to see us signing him even if we paid somewhere in the region of 15 million.

Sterling would be a great pick up if it's cheap as he has shown he can play in the PL and having better players around him will make him better too.


Shahram

CDS, it's been too long. How you keeping?

Nik Legend SA

Fresh! Sterling is not yet (quite) 18 and therefore does not have a 'contract' to be 'out of'

Puzzled {Ed001's Note - he still has a contract, just not a long term contract as players under the age of 18 can only sign 3 year contracts.}

I stand corrected ED001

Puzzled

02 Dec 2012 18:48:32
I was at the game last night and have had a day or so to think about the game. Firstly, just wanna say we truly have the most amazing away fans in the league ! We completely outsung the home crowd and the support and singing was non-stop. Wish OT was like that for 90 mins. Anyway, regarding the defending, we were very poor as many have stated.Evans was at fault for not clearing properly but I feel with lindegaard in goal he did not command his area with enough confidence. It seemed to me that everytime there was a corner the defence was not 100 percent comfortable with Lindergaard between the sticks. I recall in the 2nd half on 3 times (twice by Rio and once by Evans) these two were shouting at Lindergaard to stop time wasting and take the goal kick. Now I may be wrong but it seems to me that they don't seem particulary happy or comfortable to see him there. I was in the second row so I saw this with my own eyes the way they both threw their arms in the air at Lindergaards indecision. And this I think sums him up: indecisive. And not outstanding in any department. People slate DDG for his lack of commanding in the box but his reactions and show stopping are arguably the best in the best. They are sublime. And he NEEDS to start and be left to start. Its starting to frustrate a lot of fans and by the looks of it players such as Rio and Evans. Midfield wise I think Anderson is really flourishing absolutely gutted he's injured ! But with Kagawa to come back and hopefully Cleverely to play more I think we could be ok in the department for the moment. A strong box to box midfielder such as Vidal etc needs to be bought. Phil Jones I think wouldn't be a bad DM but I think he's a centre back. RVP just oozes class everytime he gets the ball. He seems to have so much more time than any other player on the pitch. Great to see Rooney score twice and Young had a good one.

Thoughts ?

Park 3 Lung

Great post our away support is unmatched anywhere in the league along with the variety of songs wait till the derby. I AM KLOOT

02 Dec 2012 18:41:20
If we were to sell rooney who do people think would be interested in him

united4life97

I am sure that if Rooney was on the market PSG and possibly Real Madrid in a player swap deal? Anzhi would want him, but do not think he would go there. I think he will probably stay here, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him go.

Sydney!

Have to say Syd I do think player swaps are fairly rare and although I see your point that Rooney could go I think he will stay and I for one would be really happy with that.

Red Daz

Sydney why would real want him, They are loaded all over the pitch. They will definitely not need him as a midfielder and only question is is he a better forward option that Benzema, Higuain.

PSG more likely destination or even Chelsea but can't see us selling to a rival PL team.

Shahram

Shahram, if Rooney went on the market I am sure Jose would want to link him and Ronaldo back together. I do not believe RM would pay cash for him, but Oezil as part of the deal could work. They offered Spurs Sahin and others in exchange for Modric, they would likely do the same in this instance. Obviously Oezil would have to agree and the extra cash would need to be negotiated. I do not see a future for Benzema at RM, they were also up for selling Higuain in the summer too. I would say PSG is far more likely, but I wouldn't rule out RM completely if Rooney went on the market.

Sydney!

United4life97 - Northampton Town

Puzzled

02 Dec 2012 17:36:43
Does anyone feel that a signing like Brede Hangeland like would be good for United in the January window.
He's a quality defender with great aerial, passing and strength. At 31 he could give us 2 to 3 years to help build a bridge for Smalling, Jones and Evans.
He's out of contract in the summer, so I think we could get him for a good price.
Ferdinard is 34 and near the end, we could do with an expeirenced head if we're to win back the ELP........anyone agree?

02 Dec 2012 15:42:04
It seems as if we have all forgotten about Kagawa...I for one cannot wait for his return.

MPez {Ed004's Note - I can't wait either}

I can't wait for Christmas

Ross

Me too MPez.. I have missed watching him play it is unbelievable at times. We have missed that bit of technical class in the middle of the park between the strikers and midfield. In all honesty to get the best out of him I would sell Rooney and move Kagawa central and sign Rodriguez and Ozil/Muniain to go beside him.

I have obviously missed something as I have yet to see him have a real influence. Happy to be put right but he has looked a little 'lightweight' or off the pace. He's clearly a very talented player, just not sure where he will be slotted in.

AJH

Ajh makes a good point kags is a good player but hasn't done it for United yet
Jred

02 Dec 2012 21:01:39
@noname,
great logic ...sell our best player for an unprooven (in the pl) player?
DJ

No name

Kagawa got pushed around and was very ineffective the last few games he played and yet to be a proven quantity.

Muniain and Rodriguez play pretty much the same position left and drifting towards the middle of the pitch so both in the same team is not an option.


Shahram

Moura plays on the right of a front three and we were heavily linked to him in the summer. Rodriguez can and does play there for Porto on occasion so you have to say Rodriguez is a candidate, especially as he can play as a left winger too. I do not think Muniain is on the manager's list.

Sydney!

Obviously we are watching someone on Bilbao's team. Hope it is not Herrera because he is a red card waiting to happen every game.

De Marcos is okay but nothing to go crazy about.

Shahram

02 Dec 2012 15:04:29
Latest news in: Abramovic has sacked the 40,000 fans jeering Benitez from Stamford bridge last week and brought in 40,000 new ones.....

Dan

The worst thing about Chelsea fans is that they think Benitez was responsible for RDM sacking. They hold the banners reading Benitez out, why not Abrahomovic out??
He is the one responsible for the sacking. Maybe they'll be better off without their sugar daddy.

baba octopus

I think Abramovich has too much pride in admitting the mistake that is Torres and he is trying to fix it but im afraid theyve gone 3 games without a win and Torres should not be playing... They would better of playing Moses up top or recalling Lukaku in January.

I think they will get a big name striker for xmas
Jred

I am not convinced Chelsea will sign Falcao in January. Perhaps someone like Bony, Remy or Schurrle, but I do not see them buying a big name striker until maybe the summer. Chelsea have bigger problems than just a striker, they have a very thin squad and still need more major investment and a proper manager who is willing to join a club and have little or no influence on signings.

Sydney!

I will be amazed if they don't buy at a striker in Jan. Maybe 2 I really think it's there biggest issue .
They spent 50 mill on Torres in Jan so you never know also I'm not sure if any other teams be in. A position to sign falcoa. In January so it could be a good time to make a move
Jred

I too think they'll struggle to sign Falcoa or someone of equal quality in January. So TBH I'll happily see them spend £20m+ on a 2nd or 3rd choice (like one of the names Syd mentioned) only to see him sitting on the bench next season...

Gav

Jred, I think AM would be incredibly stupid to sell Falcao in January. The only reason they are where they are is down to Falcao and getting in the UCL will be more financially beneficial than selling Falcao for any amount. So I am not ruling him out of joining Chelsea in January, just think it's far more likely to be the summer.

Sydney!

02 Dec 2012 14:31:23
Banter please ed.

Right can I get a reasonable respond from people as to why Linders is getting so much stick for the goals conceded.
And by that I mean have a look at the goals and decide what is it you think he could have done better, non of this 'DDG is world class' sh*t just an honest breakdown of what everyone think Linders did wrong.

I have not watched the whole game yet but have re watched the motd highlights 4 times now an still can't individually fault him for any of the three goals. Granted his attempt at the catch he spilled was not great and the shout obviously didn't come from Evans clearance is the only mistakes I can see. Some might Point to the save he made that popped up back into the box but what was he supposed to do? He saved it and flicked it into our defenders to clear when he clearly had to wait and see if the ball was going to be deflected on its way through first.

So honest opinions lads please.

Jono

Jono

How you cant find fault with him for any of the goals is baffling.
All 3 balls into the box were headed inside the 6 yard line how the hell does he not try come out and catch or even punch the ball.
He was stuck to the line for all 3 crosses offering absolutely nothing to the defense if you took him out of the goals and had played with no keeper not one thing with regards them goals would have changed.

How can you not expect better from a Manchester United keeper ?

Devil Dust.

Jono

I suggest you watch the whole game then comment

Lindegaard was indecisive throughout

Red Man

All game Lindegaard was shocking... No commanding attributes at al.

Jono
Saf thinks he is batter in some aspects than ddg.. Which yesterday he has proved he is not.
But ddg has proved lot many times where he is worlds best..
Thats the simple thing all fans are crying.
And i think nd lot more here think if they r same thwn play a guy who jas a lot chance to develope nd improve
Rodio17

Jono

Lindegaard proved yesterday that he lacks the ability to mark him out as a top class keeper. You talk about De Gea being a coward and lacking the personality to be a commanding number 1, but Lindegaard is not an improvement on this. He is physically strong enough be he lacks the decision making skills to be a Schmeichel type keeper, and let's be honest that's the type of keeper you clearly want.

You're argument is that he can organise and take charge of the defence in a way De Gea can't. Yesterday he was lost at sea, unsure what to do and unable to talk to his defence. He was shown to be a very limited keeper by a very limited team.

I can understand that you would prefer a keeper like Adler over De Gea. But we didn't. We decided to invest in a young keeper and this means that you have to consider the learning curve. We have two keepers at the club, a young talented shot stopper who has been improving throughout his year and a bit at the club, and an older keeper who can be described as solid if unspectacular, at best. The fact of the matter is that De Gea has the potential to get much better, to develop himself physically (which he has started to do) and to gain confidence as a defensive organiser. Lindegaard doesn't have the same potential. He may get a bit better but he will never be able to play at the same level De Gea can. I honestly don't see any plausible reason to stunt a young keeper's development in order to give game time to a player of Lindegaard's ability. I hope that the manager can see this and show some faith in De Gea so that the lad gets a chance to develop his game without fearing every mistake will result in him being dropped.

Danny Pughnited

Dust

You are aware the first goal was not scored direct from the cross? How do you blame Linders for not being able to react to a deflected shot from 9 yards? Obviously and cross conceded will bring questions to the keeper as to why he was not there but where as before DDG would not come from his line Linders had Evra and Roberts in front of him for BOTH corners. So is it reasonable to expect him to run round them, then see where the balls gone and then react to it in the space of time the cross is in the air? No! Evras job was to protect the keeper by getting Roberts out of the way of the keepers NOT stand between them and offer two barriers instead.

Red man

I got called out again today so still to see the full game.

Rodio17

DDG has not proved himself by a long shot. Out with shot stopping he is nowhere near what I expect of an undoubted No1 for us.

Danny

Everyone on here is claiming to know for a fact that if DDG was playing he would be a shoe in to be world class and from everyone's comments he will soon be at that level. IMO he won't be, ever.

He doesn't seem to have the correct personality for this league. Now I stress this league as he is suited down to the ground im La Liga. Which by the way is where I see him in less than 2 years anyway. I've pointed out the failings I see in him and outwith Linders supposed horror show yesterday most would have agreed he was better at the organising and in the air so your argument of not judging on 1 game has gone full circle as everyone seems to have the daggers out as he had a bad ONE. Christ if DDG was slaughtered for all the mess ups last year he would be 2 years away from getting back in the team.

Remember Big Pete was made to look a fool by limited teams like Southampton in his career. Now I'm not comparing Linders to him but I just feel with the question marks over whether or not DDG will make it to the level needed a more solid option like Linders is safer.

IMO DDG won't be our no1 for long even if he does reach it, the calling of a return home will be to much.

But I will say if DDG is picked for city game or in fact any other game I'll back him just as much as Linders I just have a preference for one over the other.

Jono

Jono

You've always been against De Gea for some reason, no matter what he does. You said he made a mistake against Villa, when everyone else appreciated that he had no chance with either goal. Lindegaard had a terrible match yesterday and you defend him, saying he did nothing wrong? If De Gea plays against City next week, and plays the exact same way Lindegaard did against Reading, you will be the first on here to criticise him.

G.A.G.U.S

Jono
you may have a point on linders, he was poor yesterday but his looked ok on crosses and commanding his area until that game so its maybe a little harsh to forget that and suddenly say he cant do them things.
there was also uncertainty in the whole back 4 which never helped.
i think DDG is the better keeper but at the same time time its maybe a bit harsh to judge linders on that one game alone.
jred

Just watching the whole game and going off what I saw, he lacked presence whenever the ball came near the box. He flapped around at crosses and made some clear errors. So a pretty poor performance overall

I still think he's a good backup keeper, he just had an off day. But DDG needs to step back in now, if SAF needed an excuse to put him back in then he's got it

Gav

Jono

"a more solid option like Linders is safer"

Frankly an unbelievable statement without seeing the whole game yesterday. Lindegaard was well below the standard of a Manchester United keeper. You are defending him without viewing the game. After yesterday De Gea must be reinstated as first choice and Lindegaard must remain the reserve. Your comment that Lindegaard is a more sold option is not based on fact. He dithered and flapped failing to dominate. We conceded two headed goals from about 4 yards with Lind rooted to his line, he dithered on a few occasions and every time the ball went near him you worried. Evans did not cover himself in glory as he didn't compete as I would expect a centre half to do but the keeper spread uncertainty and anyone who has played will tell you that uncertainty in the keeper behind you is disastrous and it will cost us if Lind remains in goal. He is a functional reserve keeper.

De Gea has a real talent yet our manager , like Lindegaard is dithering over this.

Watch the full game and if you still come back and feel the same I would be shocked.

Red Man

Jred

I agree Linders has not done anything wrong so far and although others prefer DDG I prefer Linders so it's abut unfair if he AND the defence all had shockers that everyone is calling for his head only. DDG has already shown he can have a mare v city so what do we go with? More change or try a bit of continuity.

Red man

That solid statement was going by Danny's judgement that Linders could be classed as that mate not going on one performance that I have not seen fully yet. I may see the game in full and change my mind but 1 game probably won't change my mind I'm not like others who will drop my support of a player due to one bad game. It's funny how everyone is gunning for Linders when DDG has made many more individual mistakes in his utd career but he gets away with more as he is young or new to the league or can't speak English or maybe its because neither of them are good enough to be classed as an easy choice for our no1 and SAF is still deliberating between the two.

Or maybe DDG has already shown some intent on moving and that's made SAF question his attitude. What if it comes out he wants away at the end of the season? Would you all still want him in knowing he wants out? We don't know what's going on and the wisdom teeth thing is absolute BS IMO as that makes no difference to whether or not you can save a football. I think there is far more to it.

G.A.G.U.S.

I just don't rate him mate. I think there are many more keepers we should have went for instead and for 18m aswell! I think his age was a major factor as if we got 4-5 years out of him we would make profit but we shouldn't be running like that. After Neuer was Munich bound I only had eyes for Adler I just think we have made a mistake but would love to be proved wrong.

Jono

Also I'm amazed nobody is picking up on how Evra has failed in his job, stupidly given to him IMO, on Roberts. If he had moved Roberts out Linders could have come out but all keepers are taught if you can't get out stay on the line and Linders tries to push them out but drops back to the line to allow for the biggest distance between him and the shot but unfortunately both headers were around 5-6 yards out so there was little chance to react. I still leave as more blame on Evra and Evans.

Jono

02 Dec 2012 14:18:12
i watched MOTD last night and phil neville said that fellaini keeps saying his best position is defensive midefielder so all the people who say hes not a midfielder anymore he is more of a number ten then if we do buy him he would enjoy playing the defensive mid role just what we need

He may very well enjoy playing there but that doesn't mean its his best position. I don't think anyone could argue against the fact that he is more effective playing in a more advanced role.

TK-Red

I've seen him play dm for Belgium very well a few time
Jred

Playing well against who though? Kleberson looked world class at international level and yet couldn't handle playing that position in the Premier League.

TK-Red

Fellaini isn't great as a defensive midfielder. Not a bad DM by any stretch, but there are better and cheaper DM'rs out there.

Sydney!

Tk
to be fair Belgium are playing well and he plays there for them or some times on the right, but he can play there, ive seen him have some very good games althoug sometimes its more a box to box role.

think off it like this whats wrong with having a player that can play 1 or more positions very well.
I think as a defensive midfielder he would do better than what we have, at the moment and if things aren't going right he gives you a plan B by pushing him forward

syd how many times have you seen him play DM
jred

Jred, he has been playing as a DM'r for Everton since he signed for them bar this season and against us on both occasions last season. He is decent in that position, but like I have said there are better and cheaper options out there for that particular position. Why spend £30m on a player when you can get a better player for £15m.

Sydney!

Completely agree with Sydney.

30 million is outrageous money for Fellaini. Add another 10 million and we could probably get Goetze/ozil and Bender.

Shahram

He's come on loads in the last 12 month and you would be buying more than a DM.
one of the best cm in the league for me and brings something different than what we have at the moment
jred

Jred, what a long-ball man you mean? Do you want us to start playing the Stoke City way? He is currently playing as a 2nd striker/hole for Everton, NOT as a central midfielder or DM'r. So he hasn't come on leaps and bounds as a DM'r, in fact he stagnated as a DM'r and the move to 2nd striker has done him good and suits the way Everton often play (not always) by lumping balls long to him. He will not remove either Kagawa or Rooney from the hole at United as we will not play the long-ball game so I do not see the need for him especially at £30m. There are better and cheaper options for DM out there. So why spend £30m on a player when we could get a better DM'r for cheaper? He is not one of the best central midfielders in the league as he isn't currently a central midfielder and hasn't been all season or against us twice last season.

Sydney!

Syd
is that your opinion or absolute fact or are they the same thing ?
i think he's come on a lot in the last 12 month hence the interest from other clubs and the 30 mill price tag but thats just may opinion im sure as always you know better.
jred

Syd
is clev's better?
jred

Syd
i think there is more to fellaini's game and evertons than the long ball to be fair.
his scored some good goals has a nice touch and gets about the pitch ,to get stuck in and is a big strong lad.
I think he has everything to be a very good player.
I think he will leave everton (not for 30 mill) and go to a top club not as a second striker but as a CM.
also read my post again I said "he's come on loads in the last 12 month and you would be buying more than a DM "

not he's come on loads as a DM
jred

Is what fact? My opinion that he is not the best and cheapest central midfield option around? Or that he is no longer a central midfielder and more of a 2nd striker for Everton? All true, there are better and cheaper options and he has been playing as a 2nd striker for Everton.

Is he better than Clevs? Completely different player. He is more experienced than Clevs in the EPL, he would probably be more useful than Cleverley is in midfield right now, but the difference is Cleverley wouldn't cost us £30m. If you offered a club Cleverley for free or Fellaini for £30m I think all clubs would opt for the former.

Sydney!

Syd
how do you know he will go for 30 mill
you should judge a player on ability not price tag.
you rave about clevs and welbeck and talk down players like bale and fellaini.
i think that unless a player plays for united or some foreign club you dont rate them.
also read some of your post's again you dont give an opinion you state your opinion as fact and if anyone has a different opinion there wrong
jred

Jred, It is clearly YOU that is getting annoyed by my opinion. I think Oezil is a top quality player, I think Rodriguez is a top quality player, I think Lewandowski is top quality, in fact most of the Dortmund team is top quality. I think Cazorla, Yaya, Mata etc are top quality players. I thought Modric was quality when he played for Spurs. So don't talk nonsense. I tell it how it is. Fellaini is a good player, but he doesn't suit our style of play. Bale is a good player but is not good enough as a left winger IMO as he lacks fluidity and he is inconsistent.

Cleverley is a tidy player who makes very few mistakes, but IMO he is still being a little too careful and not expressing himself enough by pushing forward. Being his first proper season as a United and England player I think that is understandable and as I have watched him since he was 15, I know he can play better and hopefully will by next season.

I am not saying Fellaini or Bale are not good players or that Cleverley is better then them both, just saying that I do not believe they are the right fit for our team and that there are BETTER and CHEAPER players out there for the positions they play in. It's not rocket science lad. You may want Bale and Fellaini to sign, but I do not think they are a great fit and I do not think they are value for money at all. Both massively overrated and overpriced players.

Sydney!

Syd
I made it quite clear I don't see bale coming to united but I rate him as a player
The issue with fellani was could he play dm
It crack me up how you talk players like clevs and welbeck up do you still think welbeck will score 20 this season and that we will build our midfield around clevs
While talking players like bale and fellani down
Jred

Jred, I have been fair in what I have said so if you want to keep talking nonsense then that is up to you. Of course Fellaini can play DM, I just believe there are better and cheaper options out there (like I keep saying). I haven't talked anyone down, I have given my honest opinion of the players. It's you who has the problem here.

Re Welbeck, I said he would get 20 goals before we signed RvP. He was never going to get that amount with RvP coming in. I also said Cleverley will have a midfield built around hm, I still believe that. I still think the manager has big planes for him and that he will be a United regular for many years.

Sydney!

Syd
are you sure about that welbeck comment
jred

02 Dec 2012 12:52:22
the one bright spot from yesterday was the under 18's. Wilson is going to be top class. The way he rounds the keeper reminds me of the Law man. Such a natural finisher. Januzaj and Daeli look class acts as well. Look forward to them eventually being in the first team with powell and mick keane.

Yeah totally agree. They look special. Hopefully they can continue their excellent development and eventually get into the first team. Its great when we see the young players vomi g thru.
NoMidfield

02 Dec 2012 12:34:36
Lindegaard is now the number 1 according to SAF. Complete rubbish he had a poor game. The only reason for this that I can think of is that De Gea is unsettled and wants to leave because he has done better than Lindegaard and has bags more ability. Would also explain why we have been linked with new keepers a few months back.

Dan

Fergie is crying out for his defence to get fit & have a settled back four. Well that back for are crying out for a settled goalkeeper. It's another Howard vs Carroll debate.

TJ

Lindegaard is very average and shocking with his feet and can't kick a ball.

I am not sure what SAF is trying to do here as DDG is a much better keeper and yes he also has his flaws but better than Lindegaard.

Conspiracy theory :) Makes you wonder is there something going on in the background that we are not aware off and can see DDG leaving in the summer.

Shahram

02 Dec 2012 12:10:02
lindergaard should not play for us again again. Quite simple NOT good enough pathetic performance yesterday. Though Wayne was absolutely fantastic yesterday!

Haha yeah of course a player who IMO didnt have the best game but was far from the worst player should never play again!

Christ if that were the case I think we could only put out RVP then!

Only thing pathetic is people like you and this kind of 'support'

Jono

02 Dec 2012 11:25:21
Top of the league by 3! Leaking 3 to Reading!! Our play is inconsistent and imo it is a lack of clarity and trust in a number 1 that is having an effect. We have an unbelievable 'we will score more than you' mentality and we bloody need it at the moment. SAF was pissed after this shambolic defensive performance, the whole team must take responsibility not one player however Lindegaard was awful and defensively we played like a Sunday league team.

Action needed; DDG must be played as our number 1; get the defence playing as a defence and back to basics - come back Vidic quickly; midfield needs new blood and we must buy in January; our attack is superb and with a sound defence and strong midfield they will score for fun.

At the end of this season we must install a new manager to take over from the legend that is SAF and take the club forward at pace again.

A man united!

02 Dec 2012 11:05:12
Fellaini would be the player that I would like to see signed in the Jan window, Carrick is a good honest player but is not going to improve, Anderson shows signs of class but feel he will always be injured like Hargreaves and just looks too heavy for a world class mid, Fellaini can play anywhere in the middle, he is quick strong and def a match winner, he is becoming more consistent especially in Evertons big games

02 Dec 2012 09:55:23
What are the chances of any of these young talented English transfers happening to our club?

Zaha or Ince signing in january then loaned back.

Or maybe Sterling moving in the summer. He hasn't signed a pro contract yet and can agree terms with Clubs in January. Could eventually sign for as little as 2m compo.

It seems Nani is going to leave so a replacement on the flank will be needed. These are the types of young potential wingers Fergie likes to develop.

I can see us signing one of these players mentioned above. With Smalling, Jones, Powell already signed it seems to be a pattern developing with bringing English talent through. The Keane twins will also be pushing for first team opportunities next season.

TJ

02 Dec 2012 09:11:46
Ed

What do you make of the story in the mirror linking us to raheem sterling. I don't believe he would come to utd but we can offer him what lfc can't and that's champions league football.
He would be a ideal replacement for nani

Neil {Ed004's Note - I can't see it happening}

02 Dec 2012 08:16:01
Anderson out for a few weeks. Well there goes our hope for getting something from Etihad.
SK

02 Dec 2012 07:31:56
Phew! Hats off to the forwards, if we keep this up we will get between 90 and 100 league goals this season. A combination of poor centre halves and a static goalkeeper almost cost us the game yesterday. As I have said previously, we can't keep doing this as we won't get away with it forever.

There a some very odd comments on here for yesterday's game. How anyone can say Lindergard had a good game is beyond me, he was very poor throughout.

What strikes me is that there are very few names that I would pick as automatic choices right now. Ignoring yesterday's game and looking at form so far this season, I would only be able to pick - DDG, Rafael, Evans, Anderson, RVP. I'm guessing this is why SAF keeps swapping his team, but in constantly changing the team, he is not giving the players chance to settle and find their form.

Left back remains a major issue as I don't think Buttner is the answer. The wings are also an issue and whilst Young played ok yesterday, neither he, Valencia or Nani have impressed yet. That takes us to central midfield. I think SAF should take the plunge and give nderson, Cleverley, Powell a real run - lets find out what they are made of.

Finally...top of the league, 37 goals in the league already qualified for the knockouts of the Champions League. I realise we are not playing brilliantly and the defence resembles a colander but to read some of the comments on here you'd think we were mid table (Arsenal), or had taken 2 points from the last 3 games (Chelsea).

AJH {Ed004's Note - I would put Smalling in that list. He has been brilliant since his return}

02 Dec 2012 02:54:10
What match were most of you moaners watching? Especially NoMidfield!

The formation and tactics worked really well. We were good attacking wise. We got 4 goals in the first half ffs and created 7 genuine goalscoring chances! Anderson going off injured obviously changed things and wanting to add more height in the defense SAF picked Jones. Its got nothing to do with trusting Cleverley. Young looked good. Van Persie and Rooney linked up well. And if that goal had been allowed and RVP would have finished that sitter off it would have been a comfortable 3 goal margin win.

You spoilt brats should have a look at the toothless Arsenal and Chelsea sides perhaps.

NoMidfield having a go at Carrick and Ferdinand is laughable. Carrick played well and Rio didn't make any mistake. Time and time again Carrick got the ball to the front three through their midfield allowing them to directly run at the defense, not to mention his usual ball winning and interceptions which nobody gives him praise for.

Evans was poor at both corners and the first goal was probably Evra's fault.

Rafael had a below par 30mins after 4 months of class performances. Give the guy a break!

We have defenders coming back and haven't had a settled CB pairing for a season and a half. SAF can't fix it with some magic wand, it will take time.

REDFAITH

P.S. De Gea in goal against City please.

02 Dec 2012 01:26:58
* anders played well , the goals werent his fault.

* people those blame fergie for everything should credit for his inspiring substitutions

* their aerial threat was nullified by both jones and smalling

* tough for rafa , hope he comes back

* nomidfield , are you united fan , i value your opinions but please dont spout lies

nikz

Whenever I see NoMidfield post, I can't help but think he would be better suited to being a Chelsea supporter, constantly whining about the manager and wants to buy every "top player" without bringing through any youth players.

CnM

Thank you for your views guys. But I have been a season ticket holder since 1970. On the contrary, I don't want us to buy everybody, I would much rather bring our youth through. That's why I love united. But what is happening to our youth? Not given a chance? That is strange as in the past saf has always given youth a chance. Now Anderson is injured, are we going to promote Powell or petrucci? I don't think so.
When I mentioned buying players, I want us to buy a top player rather than four average players.
So please stop telling me who to support. I was only giving my point of view.
You mentioned that lindergard had a good game yesterday, are you serious?
NoMidfield

Lindeguard was awful yesterday. He was unsure, flapped a lot. Doesn't help that the defence is without a leader. For the city game I would go with De Gea, Rafael, vidic (if fit), Smalling or jones and evra in defence. Carrick with cleverley in the centre with lung on the left and Rooney at the head of a diamond four and then Rvp and chicarito up top. Thoughts please?

Mez