Manchester United Banter Archive December 02 2018

02 Dec 2018 20:26:21
Our manager stepped 2 feet out o f his technical area against Southampton last season sent straight to the stands,
Klopp runs on to the pitch to celebrate with his keeper, what happens, nothing.

{Ed002's Note - Get out of the blame culture man.}

02 Dec 2018 21:03:26
I ain't blaming anyone man. It's exactly what happened, klopp could drive his vauxhall on to the pitch.

02 Dec 2018 22:29:37
Those grapes a bit sour?!

02 Dec 2018 23:32:29
I bet you wish Klopp was driving his Vauxhall into your Managers parking space. 😂.

03 Dec 2018 05:51:34
There's no sour grapes here, Klopp hasn't won anything yet and Liverpool have hardly been saturated with success for a long time but Leahy is right Mourinho is treated somewhat differently than other managers.

{Ed001's Note - that is not true. Jose gets extra punishments usually because he has a suspended punishment hanging over his head for a previous offence. He gets away with things the first time too, but then he just does it again and so suffers. Jose is his own worst enemy as he constantly pushes the boundaries and limits of the rules and, when he is warned, he just ignores the warning.}

03 Dec 2018 06:39:11
Probably has something to do with the fact that when mourinho did it the ball was still in play, whereas klopp did it after a goal.

Anyone remember sir alex after bruces header against Sheffield Wednesday.

No need for the conspiracy theories on this one.

03 Dec 2018 10:46:11
Completely agree Leahy. We ask for consistency with the application of rules on the pitch and should expect the same off it too. It was completely inappropriate by Klopp and totally disrespectful to Everton.

03 Dec 2018 12:24:50
If Jose did that after a last-minute winner against Liverpool, I'd have been cheering him on. It's an emotional game. He knew he was wrong after, but totally understandable imo.

03 Dec 2018 12:46:25
United fans would be cheering him on 99 but everyone else would be saying, you can't do that it's disrespectful, probably the fa would ban him, maybe Jose should smile more often and show his pearly whites then he might get away with it.

03 Dec 2018 15:09:22
I agree, there's little consistency Leahy. Still totally understand him doing it, tho. The games getting more and more sterilized.

02 Dec 2018 18:25:04
ED0002 dare I ask, who would you think should the club make their next manager, should Mourinho leave?

{Ed002's Note - Not one for me to deal with any longer. Sorry.}

02 Dec 2018 18:50:06
Unspoken rules of the website, get roasted by Ed002 take it on the chin and move on.
No point arguing over crappy opinions as you won't ever win. Eds know all sorts of invaluable information, and because your ego can't let it go everyone else suffers.

Angelred apologies for yesterday xx.

02 Dec 2018 19:31:42
A bit unfair. I invite others to read what I wrote and decide if I was in any way out of line or displayed the type of arrogance you're intimating. I've no problem with being better informed by anyone but don't think anyone should needlessly be insulted. But people have offdays and phrase things in the wrong way so I'm good with ed002. I was respectful and will remain so.

{Ed002's Note - I don't ever have an off day. I think he is no more than teasing you. A bit like a ping on the ass with a wet towel.}

02 Dec 2018 19:42:45
Bang on Ed. I'll get into the swing of it eventually. Just have patience with me!

02 Dec 2018 19:52:00
Btw while you're listening, do you mind me asking if you think the criticism by myself and others of Woodward us warranted. As I see it he has been caught out too often by agents, overpaid too often for players, and agreed to wages that are far above reasonable levels for the players in question. Again I don't know anything about inner workings of the club so is this reading of it fair or is the problem wider. The club looks in disarray and identifying the main sources can only help.

{Ed002's Note - No Don, it is not unwarrented. Manchester United, like most clubs use advisors to give a calming view on player, potential transfers, coaching etc., and I can say with confidence that EW has ignored what the club has been told (largely). The issue over the Director of Football/Sporting Director has been running since JM arrived and as I have previously explained there were two options agreed upon by the manager and by the club - yet nothing was done and it has been allowed to drift to the back of the pile. What I don't want to do is allow a hate campaign against individuals and there are those making decisions that are unknown to most here - and it is best it stays like that. But the blue tinge view etc that I have explained before remain - something which is sure as hell nothing to do with JM.}

02 Dec 2018 20:00:57
Great insight, thanks Ed.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Don and thanks for the decent questions.}

02 Dec 2018 20:05:51
Nice insight ed. Do you believe Woodward will have learned from previous mistakes?

{Ed002's Note - Tough to see that he will. This is an "agenda" moment not a "what is best moment". Mourinho, like is or not is an astonishing coach that will piss off people around him to achieve the best for the club he is at. For that you can be assured. At Chelsea they had intelligent players who reacted well. At Manchester United, perhaps there are players who do not really understand. Mourinho is committed but will upset people - he will intimidate and annoy, but he knows what he is doing and there is little argument to say that he does not know what is best. Woodward wants a diffent solution and is being perhaps in English would be called an irritant. I know the description in another language but this is a family website.)

02 Dec 2018 20:33:08
Ed02

Thank you. I very rarely engage directly but your information that EW has ignored what the club has (largely) been told by advisors is staggering. It is no wonder the club is not just stagnating but going backwards.

{Ed002's Note - I would have thought you would have known that in the summer.}

02 Dec 2018 21:23:30
I don't mind Jose digging out the players at all. And had no problem with him being manager.
But his tactics and selection chop and change after each match, I just don't get it. And playing Matic every game is counter productive as he loos knackered.

I've said it all along changing managers may see a change of style of play but it won't change the deeper problems in the club.

02 Dec 2018 23:36:04
Will the club be looking at any changes regarding woodward if he carries on ignoring most people/ advisors opinions?

03 Dec 2018 08:06:15
What members of the Glazer family are pulling the strings?

02 Dec 2018 21:05:25
Cheers ed. Always perplexed as to those on here who think Jose is past it etc.

02 Dec 2018 23:31:46
Ed002, obviously if a director of football came in then they would take over a lot of duties that Woodward himself does. Is he stalling to appoint someone in this position because he doesn't want to relinquish that control or should I take this to the conspiracy pages?

02 Dec 2018 23:41:43
Ed 002 if as you say EW has largely ignored the advice of advisors then does that mean the clubs owners are aware he has and are backing him and his judgement over the advisors / Jose. If so even they must surely be worried about the financial impact it will inevitably have on the club and thus their pockets. Is there anytji g you can see in the immediate future that is going to change drastically to enable the club to move forward.

{Ed002's Note - The ownersdo not get involved with the day to day running of the club.}

04 Dec 2018 01:39:24
Thanks as ever Ed 002 for your insights. I find it interesting that the owners of what tiny is obviously really just one more of their businesses do not take a more hands on approach when things are obviously not going well and there has been a decline for years. I am. not saying that they would be getting involved in the minutae of daily life at Man Utd but I would have thought they would be asking probing questions of all the senior people and players and drawing their own conclusions and deciding who is mainly responsible for the decline and try to take decisive positive action.

{Ed002's Note - Ok.}

02 Dec 2018 16:56:17
{Ed's Note - Red Man has posted a new article entitled, Where did it all go wrong for Manchester United?

02 Dec 2018 17:25:44
Red Man

I agree with your conclusion, I think it reinforces that the owners see United as a money making machine where revenue is more important than trophies.

However, the other salient point is how atrocious our recruitment has been. Whether we have bought badly, or we have bought good players but dropped them into a difficult situation I don’t know, but the list of players who have arrived and under performed in recent years is staggering. Park posted an excellent view yesterday (it’s on the others page) where he highlighted the quality we thought we were buying vs the reality of what we got. That is a real conundrum.

As for Woody, I’m not sure how he gets to have a view on squad quality having no experience in the game but it seems he wields absolute power. He delivers the deals that drove the revenue so the owners are happy. We all knew that final title was something of a fluke, delivered by the incredible RVP and most of us said it was the worst United team to have won the League. Fast forward to post SAF, Moyes has said he wanted some big players but ended up with Fellaini, ADM smacked of a statement signing, and since then, there is an ever increasing list of players who have arrived and disappointed. Who is making the decisions, who is deciding who we sign?

You and I will disagree about Jose. I respect and understand your view and I agree that theplayers need to be smacked back into line. However, I think Jose was also a statement signing by EW, but I’m with Sir Bobby on this one.

The fact that there was no preparation for SAF retiring, with Gill allowed to go at the same time, that Moyes was appointed, that Moyes was allowed to get rid of the whole back room staff, it has been poor decision after poor decision. Ed has mentioned the Allegri plan but surely if that plan fails, a new plan needs to be developed. I thInk Jose is trying to get himself sacked right now. He appears unhappy, his comments are often ill thought through, his selections can be baffling, it is only a matter of time before he departs. But that doesn’t solve everything. A new Manager might get more out of our current squad but if we continue to buy badly, or allow EW to decide if we need strengthening, then we are simply putting lipstick on a pig.

We’re of a similar generation, I think you are probably about 10years older than me but we’ve been round the block so to speak. I don’t see a quick solution to this, hopefully we don’t descend into a Liverpool type drought.

02 Dec 2018 17:27:01
I always find myself agreeing with what you write Red Man and this is no different. Whatever new manager takes over I expect an upturn in performances from the players. It's only natural because this side is underachieving in a lot of games, but we have to be honest with ourselves and say this current boardroom don't particularly care if we're Champions or 4th.

02 Dec 2018 20:47:00
Red Man, I completely agree. Ed Woodward has brought about so much of the turmoil we currently face on a weekly basis. He has been responsible for what will be two failed managerial appointments by the summer. He has been responsible for our decline, no vision or even an idea about where the club is going. He has prioritised the wrong things, big name signings which help sponsorship deals, he has been focused on growth in every area apart from on the pitch.

But as you point out, what more could we expect from a money man, a man who deals with figures.

My concern though is that he is a loyal Glazer man, and I see no reason why they would demote or sack him. He was elevated to maximise the value of their asset, and he has done so with aplomb. So if he isn't going anywhere anytime soon then I don't see a way out of this. We could bring in a DoF, but my gut says that Ed Woodward has a large ego, and that he isn't likely to hire anyone for that role who will disagree with him or challenge him. So does a DoF really solve anything or would they effectively just be another puppet for the blame to fall on while Woodward avoids the backlash.

We disagree on Jose, and that's fine. But on Woodward I think we are in total agreement. The guy is a serious problem, and he will remain at our club until the Glazers sell up. Which I don't see happening anytime soon. Also, as much as I hate what the Glazers have done with our club sometimes its better the devil you know. I would not be happy with the club being owned by some of the people who have been credited with an interest in buying it.

02 Dec 2018 20:58:55
Shapps, (and Red Man)

I guess if we start to fail badly then the money will stop rolling in. If we are outside of the top 4 that is tens of millions lost, if we slip in the Leage then the global appeal starts to fade, just look how City’s revenue is quickly rising. Fortunately, some level of success is needed to keep the money rolling in.

02 Dec 2018 22:14:08
The global appeal is fading, the money will slow, only when reality bites will the Glazers finally question him. My worry is that it is a pack of cards and by the time the owners and some fans wake up to this mess it will be too late.

02 Dec 2018 16:20:34
Well i wonder what all you Mourinho haters will say when we win the Champions League in May? . what's that, oh the alarm. What a nice dream, now back to reality and the rest of the top four getting further away.

02 Dec 2018 17:49:09
Nothing. Because we won't.

02 Dec 2018 16:01:10
Even as a Jose fan I can see his position has become completely untenable. He's pulling all the stops out now to make his exit as quick as possible. He's set himself a target of top 4 by the end of December which we have no chance of getting. The constant little digs at the owners about our transfer policy and the washing of dirty laundry in public is clear that he wants away.

We are passed the point of no return. Will Ed Woodward and the board do what's best for the club and pull the trigger now? Not a hope! This little dance is going to go until we're mathematically out of the top 4 so we can save a few bob on Jose''s payout. The club also gets to save money in January. Like they did when they pulled out of numerous transfer dealings in January in LvG's last year. They will do the same again. I wonder will the excuse be "toxic" fans yet again?

If it's a caretaker manager until the end of the season that's ok. Then find a manager who is willing to match the club's ambitions. Which is that of a club competing for Champions League football.

02 Dec 2018 16:18:06
Mumbles, but who in the summer? Poch? I think he will end up in Spain, Howe? Not ready for a while, Giggs? Not for me or a lot of supporters, Southgate? Most see him as a coach and not a manager, Blanc? What has he done, Zidane? I hope not, others may disagree. I personally feel that Diego Simeone would instill the agression and steel we seem to miss, he may not want to leave Spain, but why not sound him out.

02 Dec 2018 16:38:16
Simeone isn't exactly known for his beautiful free flowing football. A great manager, but one who I feel like Jose himself might be better suited for managing the underdogs where his mentality and style are more easily accepted.

We need a manager who will allow our players off the leash against the bottom half of the league at least.

02 Dec 2018 16:51:37
I honestly don't know what manager to go for. We should realistically be able to cherry pick 99% of managers but I think the very top coaches would think twice about taking us over.

02 Dec 2018 17:05:45
I really like Southgate, what he has done with England has been brilliant. He isn’t a sexy foreign name and he fell into the job but he’s created something. If he’s just a coach then so what, if he can create the right mentality and culture then that breeds confidence. I would happily take him as our next Manager,

02 Dec 2018 17:42:28
There's a great coach available in Jardim right now. His only problem was Monaco's lack of stability which is only matched by our own chairman. The club is a mess right now and the common denominator is Woodward. The players have downed tools and the manager is actively trying to get dismissed. It will take a long time to get back to the top but we should start by appointing a progressive coach who is hungry for success.

{Ed002's Note - He doesn't speak English.}

02 Dec 2018 17:48:20
Ed002 neither did Poch when he first came to England. Don't think it should rule him out, though it would be a stick to beat him with. Anyway he's just one name. There are other progressive coaches out there that, despite our chaotic things are, we should be able to attract.

{Ed002's Note - Yes he did. He spoke English but chose not to in interviews.}

02 Dec 2018 18:02:26
Well he used a translator for 1.5 years so for all intents and purposes we're splitting hairs. If you think Jardim is a non runner then that's fine. You've better knowledge than me on such things. We could also go for Lopetegui but I don't know at all about his linguistic proficiency.

{Ed002's Note - No, he ised a translator in interviews, his English was fine. Why are you being so anal over something you clearly have no idea about. It is embarrassing.}

02 Dec 2018 18:12:14
Jeez man. I think you're the one not moving past it. I said you've better knowledge on it so ease up. You do seem to want complete subserviency but, while I completely respect your knowledge, I'm not prepared to be rebuked for your own sensitivity. You decided to fixate on this rather than on the underlying question of whether being able to speak English initially should rule out a manager. Rather than continue the insults I would genuinely be interested in whether that's your opinion and why.

{Ed002's Note - You don't seem to get the entire issue. Zidane doesn't speak English and has been talking lessons. Jardim doesn't speak English to an understandable level and has already rejected one job in England because of his problems over communication. Pochettino never had an issue with the language. Ranieri spoke little English when he first arrived in 2000 and took an intensive course but was lucky that Chelsea' player liaison officer (the fat bloke you see hanging around the tunnel) is fluent in Italian. Jardim is not wanted by MU - if he becomes wanted it means that they have not got who they want. And a massive hurdle needs to be overcome before anything will happen.}

02 Dec 2018 18:18:19
By the way ed002 I'm just messaging without wanting to get into strife. I follow football and United in particular for enjoyment. I don't often comment but expected not to be called embarrassing. I'll step back from the site in future. Your knowledge is needed more than my opinion. I just think, for your own sake, that you'd be better off not looking for animosity where it doesn't exist.

{Ed002's Note - I am more than happy to post nothing on the Manchester United pages - the page has already talked your way out of a lengthy update from Milan last week - you feel free to carry on and I will not bother any longer.}

02 Dec 2018 18:22:35
Ed002, are there any managers out there in Europe doing good things under the radar? Not necessarily for United, just curious as to the next batch elite coaches are.

{Ed002's Note - Sorry - I am not going to bother with the Manchester United page for a while. It is a waste of time.}

02 Dec 2018 18:23:57
Thank you for that very interesting information. I don't pretend to be an insider and was hoping for this type of info. Think you misinterpreted my previous message: I meant that to the media and general optics we were splitting hairs (that's what I was referring to as a stick to beat him with) . Anyway thanks again.

02 Dec 2018 18:32:18
Apologies mumbles et al. Ed002 clearly has taken issue with me. Life is tough enough without worrying about walking on eggshells here. As promised my attempts to engage here will cease now but I'll look forward to ed002 updates again.

{Ed002's Note - I don't want you to cease DoRed (if that is your real name). It is very clear to me that the Manchester United page has zero interest in transfer rumours (the primary purpose of this site of old), clearly think that anything about a breakaway league is something I made up 8 years or so ago when I first started helping out the folk who run the site) and have really little grasp about what is happening at the club. So my input really doesn't help at all. It is all fantasy football stuff and let's get this world class manger in and who cares if he can communicate with the players. In the British pomp - not really my cup of tea. But don't step back because of me - if I called you a shaven-headed, lager-swilling, pot-pellied, tattooed knuckledragging oaf or something similar, I apologise.}

02 Dec 2018 18:57:40
Think you're vastly underestimating how valued you are here. I have read this page for years primarily due to yourself and ed001. Think we just got crossed wires (and I'm never too keen to have my lack of knowledge exposed ;) ) . I thought I was a straw breaking the camel's back, and wanted to take back the straw. In any case that insight and teaser about what the club are after is far more interesting than my random thoughts.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty sure that you cannot break a camel's back with a straw. Perhaps a chainsaw would help?}

02 Dec 2018 12:24:25
Here's something positive (in a way) .

The next boss will hopefully be a young manager with bright ideas and an insatiable hunger to succeed. He is going to get things wrong of course. So the worse Jose is doing now the more rope we the fans will give a new manager doing the right things (Jose has benefited from this as he followed LVG and our expectations were crushed by him) .

Many of our fans have wanted to be ultra loyal and patient. I am not a patient man, but I think this core aspect of many of our fans should be encouraged for the right manager. Unfortunately both LVG and Jose were given far too much rope despite clearly showing a reluctance to evolve, they simply hunkered down because most previously successful people resort to what they know best under pressure rather than trying to adapt. In short they abused the situation rather than appreciated it.

A new manager will be rewarded if they show the right signs much more so than if they followed SAF. We as a fan base are now used to dross, so it bodes well for the next guy being given more rope and that is great if the next guy has the unique abilities necessary to manage our club.

1 - Attacking Intent
2 - Willingness to learn and evolve
3 - Passion for the club/ job/ area
4 - Works with players, rather than competing with players for praise/ glory
5 - Has a plan and buys players for that plan - both LVG and Jose have signed contradictory players for their system - whether Woody is to blame or not I don't know. But like Pep/ Klopp/ Sarri - I'd like to see us sign players for a desired end goal rather than haphazardly.
6 - Most importantly the next manager must know he is privileged to be Man Utd manager. He must value that enormous responsibility and constantly want to justify the choice made to hire him. Not what we see week in week out for the past 5 years from our ungrateful managers, who care more about themselves than their players, club and fans.

So I'm happy right now despite being subjected to this mess for the past 5+ years. The next guy has to be the right guy and that guy will be given time and resources. If we hire another old hat, who succeeded in the past by playing football not suitable to our beliefs then we are in for more of the same. BUT if the powers that be haven't learnt by now what we need then there is no way they would have risen to their positions of power. So hope is high guys, it's almost over and the next guy will have a huge advantage.

02 Dec 2018 12:41:00
Bang on Beast, just want to see good football being played at United, been six years since we last seen it. Going to OT reminds of testimonial matches nowadays.

02 Dec 2018 12:41:00
I can't believe that i am agreeing with all you've said Beast, we do seem to be stuck in the same place going over the same things. Excuses have been made time and time again we have tried to remain positive backing Jose but its apparent that its not working. I still maintain that its not just a case of firing the manager, a lot has to change DOF needed a change in ethos the club feels tainted by failures, some time out of the spotlight to work on the basics and get the whole club moving in the right direction.

02 Dec 2018 12:57:51
Fantastic post beast and I agree with all of it. We all just want to crack open a cold beer and be entertained by Manchester United for 90 mins on the weekend. Surely that cannot be too much to ask for.

02 Dec 2018 13:07:07
Bear in mind who's picking the next manager. Its as likely to be an old crock as much as a young manager.

02 Dec 2018 14:27:32
Can't think of one Mort but i'm sure we'll find one lol.

02 Dec 2018 16:10:44
That's the best post I've ever seen from you Beast. I've been very much Jose in, but at the moment I just don't see us improving under him. There are a plethora of reasons for this that have been done to death on here but every party needs to take some responsibility. I feel that the time to act is NOW even if our first choice is not available. Give the position to someone on an interim basis - that could be young and internal or someone that is willing to step in until the end of the season to build their reputation again like Benitez did at Chelsea.

Like I said I have been very much Jose in, but the proof is in the pudding and ours is currently rancid, insipid and bland.

02 Dec 2018 10:52:23
{Ed's Note - Reid the Red has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview for 2 December 2018

02 Dec 2018 10:19:05
Serious question here, If your manager at your place of work kept making you do your job in a way that didn't get the best out of you, didn't seem to be working, wasn't getting results then he went out of his way to blame you or your co-workers for every failure while never accepting any blame himself.
Would you be motivated to give 100% and work as hard as possible for him?

Click agree if you would, click disagree if you wouldn't.

02 Dec 2018 10:37:25
Shappy, everyone knows you want Jose sacked. No need to come on with another attempt to justify your opinion. All this site is these days is negativity surrounding the manager. One of the main reasons I’ve not posted anywhere near as much. Would love to see a thread with a positive discussion.

02 Dec 2018 10:41:34
There are several flaws in your post. First point is in whose opinion is it “a way that didn’t get the best out of you”. As a worker you think you know better than the boss who does know and been appointed on that basis, really? That is a basis for chaos. If you downed tools in nearly every other job on that basis you would be out the door, not pandered.

Secondly, they should be playing for the shirt, for the club, the fans. Your point highlights what is wrong with some of these players, they are letting the club and the fans down by giving less than 100%. Highly paid, prima donnas need sorting out and your post seems to suggest the poor darlings are not motivated because they are hard done to.

Appoint Roy Keane on a short term coaching contract and that will wake some up.

02 Dec 2018 11:20:55
Caolan, I don't want Mourinho sacked, I never wanted him appointed for reasons that should now be obvious. Nearly everything I said as a reason for not wanting Mourinho as our manager has come true. That's not me wanting a pat on the back, just pointing out that it was obvious even before Jose was hired that it wouldn't work out well. However, many back then were prepared to ignore that fact if it meant we win another title. In fact the only prediction I made about Jose that didn't come true was I said he would probably win the title in his second season.

You want us to talk about something positive about our club at the moment? Well what would that be? The scintillating football? The abundance of youngsters coming through and realising their potential? The world class signings that are taking us up to the next level? Or the obvious titles we are going to win?

The only positive thing is the club is doing well in signing new sponsors. I hear we are about to announce a deal with Durex, the United condom, for when your really f**ked.

Red Man, you would play for the shirt, I would play for the shirt. However, when was the last time you went to work for the glory of your company? When was the last time you worked over time and didn't expect or want to be paid for it as you wanted the company to do well? When we signed players and managers who have no personal attachment to the club then it is only fair to assume they are working for money. No one moves from Madrid, or Paris or Milan to Manchester for the weather and the culture. They move to earn more money and win titles. At the moment our club can only offer one of those incentives.

Also I'm not talking about "down tools" I'm talking about the level of commitment you, I or anyone else would give. No one is accusing the players of refusing to play, just that none are 100% committed. If you are one of those very rare people who will always give 100% at work regardless of the situation then I tip my hat to you. The majority of us will not give our best in a situation where we feel undervalued, underappreciated or down right bullied.

Your point on Keane is an interesting one, he was a great player and totally committed. Can you point out which job as manager he was successful at though? You back Jose on the basis of his CV, yet I'm sure Keane's managerial CV doesn't make great reading. Unless he did win something that escapes my mind.

Keane's abrasive attitude although awesome to watch as a fan, is very much a product of its time, and sadly doesn't appear to work well in modern society.

I don't think the players are hard done by, and I'm frustrated with the performances they are putting in. However, I appreciate that not all car crashes are due to mechanical failure, in fact most are driver error. People say we lack leaders, yet Jose is supposed to be THE leader, yet no one wants to follow him. Maybe his time at the top is done. It happens to us all eventually. If Usain Bolt refused to retire, and kept going eventually someone would beat him, he would slow down, and he would eventually be an all so ran. Sir Alex was a complete and utter one off, no other managers in modern times have been able to have his level of success over a 25 year period. Most spend the first 10 years of their managerial careers finding their feet, then maybe 10 years of relevance then they peak, then football moves on and they spend the rest of their time in the twilight of their careers.

Stick this Jose Mourinho in 2010 and he would win everything, but this Jose Mourinho isn't in 2010, its 2018 nearly 2019. The world has moved on and he hasn't.

02 Dec 2018 11:21:43
Redman what did the boss do yesterday, he played 5 at the back against the second worst team in the league, and I agree with you about the highly paid players,
The football world is too soft for Roy Keane now, if he had a go at someone in the training ground where things should be kept in house, it would be all over social media, too much political correctness for Roy in the football world today.
It was interesting what Harry rednapp said, when he was manager back years ago when they all got on the bus going to a game they would talk and have a laugh, now the have satalite dishes on their ears, like zombies, no togetherness, no spirit.

02 Dec 2018 11:40:59
“Would love to see a thread with a positive discussion”.

Based on the football we are enduring, I think negativity is apt. And I’m positive about that.

02 Dec 2018 13:31:59
The question is why would you keep Mourinho? His CV or his form currently? His History proves, 3rd season is a disatriuos as it gets.
With him til May we will be in between 6th and 10th on the table, anywhere near top 4 will be a miracle.

02 Dec 2018 14:47:06
Currently we have four people who would still give 100% for their company even if their manager was being a total p***k to them. Fair play. In my mind your either extremely dedicated to a company who wouldn't think twice about replacing you or you have so little self-respect your prepared to allow someone to run rough shot over you and take the p*** out of you and still ask for more. All power to you, there are no wrong opinions just misguided ones.

02 Dec 2018 17:15:15
Shappy

Every day I work overtime without being paid for it and I do it to try and make a difference to the company.

I don’t want Keane as manager but we could do worse than get him in short term as part of the coaching staff because he is someone who would come in and root out the bad attitudes. The one I really think we should get in is Rio Ferdinand.

If there are players there not trying, sell them, it doesn’t matter what there social media profile brings to the club, get rid and stop fawning over them. What I saw from Pogba yesterday was pathetic. If we don’t solve the issues the next manager will have the same problems, just like Conte did when following Mourinho.

02 Dec 2018 17:44:14
Get rid of he from whom all negatively flows. Until then we are all just * in the wind.

02 Dec 2018 08:48:41
Does anyone not agree that since Rui Faria walked, we have regressed massively. Jose is lost without his trusted right hand man and our defence and tactics are a shambles.

02 Dec 2018 09:14:39
We weren't that great with him but there's been a definite regression. I'm disappointed with McKenna and Carrick but then we don't know what input they have. Also as bad as the tactics an selection was yesterday, and I'm in no way defending Jose or giving him a pass as both were awful, the players mostly looked like they didn't care. Rashford was good though.

02 Dec 2018 11:44:00
If they have no input or the no effect then Carrick Andy mcKenna are complicit in this shower too.