Manchester United Banter Archive July 02 2013

02 Jul 2013 21:48:04
If Ed004 or 007 is around, would they be able to do a player profile on Daniel De Silva please. I think he plays for Perth Glory?

I believe Moyes was interested in him whilst at Everton and could still be?

If anyone knows anything on him I would appreciate it.

Thank you. {Ed007's Note - I passed that on buddy. In future just go to the http://player-profiles.co.uk/ and request a profile or even better do your own profiles and send them in.}

Thanks 007, appreciated. Will do in future :)

007 - Bond ED BOND

02 Jul 2013 21:25:20
Moyes Appointment - many weren't stupidly happy about it but he's here now, and I think he'll be a very good appointment given time.

am I expecting us to win all 4 trophies this year? hell no.

even if we don't win the league I won't be calling for his head, in my mind Moyes is the choice if we're looking to have a team winning trophies over the next 10 years.

Rene Leaving - I really do wish him all the best in the future, its a shame, but we offered him a role which he declined respectively. I have no problem with that.

Eric Steele - The man retired, not much we can do about that.

Mike Phelan - I wasn't his biggest fan but I wasn't his biggest hater either. I hope he does well wherever he ends up, to be honest, he seemed like a good coach. so I would have loved to see him stay simply as a coach.

Steve Round - I've mentioned before I'm happy with this guy, he notices the little things in players. He's worked for managers who tend to be tactically hands on such as McClaren and Allardyce.

He's certainly NOT a yes man, I remember him leaving Middlesborough over a bust up with Southgate? (I believe) about the best way forward for the club in terms of playing style.

Like EVERY manager in world football Round likes to be solid at the back and build on it with a mobile box2box midfield.

Personally I think he's a decent appointment. certainly nearing the level of Carlos from back in the day.

Signings;

Strootman I think will happen, it just seems inevitable, I'm glad we're after him although I do think Fellaini would be successful at United too, so I'd be happy with Either.

Thiago, I do think we'll get him unfortunately, Although I do think it'll be a long drawn out summer for us haha.

Garay, I see a midfield of Jones, Carrick and Strootman, and a defense of Vidic and Garay.

Leavings:

Rooney - I'm undecided, I think Moyes can get Rooney fit and firing to the player he can be, not the World class player he was but certainly to a game changing standard. on the other hand, I think he's a vile person who needs to go, you don't ask for 2 transfers in 3 years and expect to still be the clubs talisman.

However, I would accept an apology to the fans.

Nani - his problem is decisions, not fitness, so I still want him out. I don't think he's matured in the way we'd expected. its a shame, but I just don't think he's up to it anymore.

Anderson - his problem is fitness, we have a manager who basis his teams around fitness, so this should work perfectly.

The fringe players I really couldn't care less about though.

Young and Valencia I believe will excel under Moyes, they're his type of rigid players, so I'm looking forward to seeing those two play next year.

that's my 2 cents guys!

The Moon.

I've been slaughtered for my opinion on Strootman and although I conceded that he showed qualities in the U21 comp I was never convinced that we where still intersted in him, if your spending £15m+ then they need to be either an instant hit or superstar in the making.
Dylan

Why unfortunately Thiago? -do you not rate him moon?

Sensible post, agree with you on the backroom staff and I'm also sitting on the same fence with regards Rooney!

Some bits I disagree with - I would like to see someone more exciting gracing our wings though over Young/Valencia. Whether that be a new signing or using someone like Kagawa in a narrower formation. I'm also close to giving up on Anderson, he's just had so many chances to prove his fitness. Sad really as I really appreciate his positive playing style and I always wanted him and Nani to succeed so they could add flair to the team.

Thanks for the background on Steve round, I didn't know a lot about him so that was interesting, based on your view I think he will be a good AM, and I completely agree on young and Valencia next season, I think your in particular is a very good player who has been unlucky with injurys, I remember his hat trick against arsenal, and he impressed me a lot, when he's got confidence he's willing to take anyone on, and he's very good at cutting in on right foot from the left, so excited to see him too next season under DMs regime. Fitness being the key.
Jase

Can't believe all this talk about fitness Carrington as been developed using the latest sport science technology Sir Alex used this information to his advantage when rotating the squad.
Also the talk of no. 2 yes it's important that training sessions are well prepared and enjoyable however having a very strong decisive manager is key when it comes to team selection we have a very strong squad and the most difficult job for Moyes will be to gain the respect of the fringe players who during Fergies time have played important roles when needed.
Dylan

"Why unfortunately Thiago? -do you not rate him moon?

DodgyBanter"

- Sorry mate, that was a type, haha. I meant to type Fortunately.

02 Jul 2013 20:51:44
Not MU related, but Swansea have made a decent signing tonight. Pozuelo is a very good player and another shrewd buy by them.

Sydney!

They're becoming like Newcastle but with Spaniards instead of French!

Then they went and ruined it by spending 6m on Voldemort.

02 Jul 2013 20:26:07
I believe Manchester United will reveal tomorrow that Rooney is set to leave and I think utd will try do a swap deal for higuain, I mean he scores goals so I think I'd be happy enough with that, I think this because he still hasn't been announced as going to arsenal even though they are heavily linked to him That's just my opinion lads no hate. DaveTheRed

Dave the red just get yourself to bed

02 Jul 2013 19:30:57
If rooney wants to leave and go to arsenal or Chelsea why don't we ask for Walcott or lukaku in exchange but hopefully
Wayne wants to stay at our great club!

We can't just choose players from other teams though, can we HoneyBadger? :-)

Brendan81

Walcott is bang average I wouldn't want him anywhere near OT lukaku looks a good player but not good enough to do a straight swap. Rooney for mata or rooney for wilshere would be the only swaps i'd do, no chance of that happening though.

phil

U think Walcott or Lukaka are adequate replacements for Fatboy?

Glad your not our new manager. Ask for Mata otherwise £30m

Alex Fergusons Condom

Why would we ask for Walcott?
tbh, if I were to sell him, it'd be abroad. None of us can doubt Rooney's abilities and I'd hate to see him playing for another prem team.

TRUMORS

I'd agree with that Brendan, good post! :)

02 Jul 2013 18:20:49
I have to say I can't believe the story about Strootman that has come out and I still think he will sign. It all seemed a done deal not long ago so I just think they are trying to create a bit more profit. I would like to know who people rate more though, Strootman or the guy from Seville?

I don't think we will get any development soon in the case of Rooney and any move will be done after a good enough replacement will be found, that said I don't think we will find a good enough replacement and therefore keep him.

This transfer window has the potential to be the biggest in history if the big moves go to plan, though it also could be the most anti climatical.
We could see Bale and Ron move for 60m+ each, Cavani for near 50m, Suarez for near 40m and Rooney, Torres and already Neymar on the move.

This leads me to a good bit of banter, which transfer shocked you all most and which is the most memorable window? Mine is the Torres to Chelsea and the window we signed Nani, Ando Hargreaves and Tevez.

1redarmy

There were 2 for me - Eric Cantona and then Andy Cole. Both real shocks

The guy from sevilla is much younger and still developing. He is a lot faster and technically better for me but only 20. I would say at in 3 years time at 23 he would be the better player but still rough around the edges.

Shahram

BTW

I don't believe it is even close to being a done deal and we are after other targets.

His agent a few weeks ago came out and said teams know what it takes to get him and I believe we are not interested at the price and wages he might be asking.

Shahram

I think it's no more than PSV trying to get more money from us. Nothing like a good old bit of negotiating.

Sydney!

Well for one I can't believe QPR just got £12m back for Samba! Those Russians got more money than sense!

It's not over till the fat lady sings and she's just clearing her throat at the moment. Strootman is on his way to us.

I was quite surprised when Liverpool got Suarez actually.

Michael Owen in 2009 was a shock too.

03 Jul 2013 10:26:23
I'm far from convinced we are after strootman
Jred

I am convinced we are not after strootman and he will not be joining us.

I think Thiago's deal will kill the strootman deal and we will be off looking for a left back, left winger and Mr. lewandowski.

Dortmund look like they are signing the guy from St. ettiene (can't spell his name lol) and lew will be sold but not to Bayern.

Shahram

02 Jul 2013 18:16:34
just hearing press conferences to be held this friday at old trafford. apparantly one in morning, one in afternoon. one to confirm thiago as utd player in 18m deal.

Well you hope its about thigo i'm just hoping its not another 7m player with bags of potential like bebe

Or tosic, bellion, obertan, kleberson.

Bore,

When the only people agreeing with you are no name trolls you know you have a problem.

02 Jul 2013 18:06:35
Eds, it would be very interesting to hear from you regarding Wayne Rooney and Baines. I hope you don't allow a vocal minority to ruin your great offer to true fans of the game.

Oli

02 Jul 2013 17:52:40
dont know if its only me or not, I'm missing the spice I used to love here. :P

asif_dhaka

Careful, too much will turn your eyes blue.

02 Jul 2013 22:36:59
ha wonder if anyone else will get that

02 Jul 2013 17:38:10
eds do we have any interest in signing lars bender?. Is any other club in for him?. Only heard arsenal

02 Jul 2013 15:49:07
looks like shrek is going hearin moyes has told him he won't have him at the club unless fully commited, which he isn't so he will b sold in the coming weeks wit 4 un named clubs with bids on the table

His name is Rooney

Rooney out but only if he is replaced by a better player and that is not going to happen

That's the worry. Find a better player for £25m. But as much as I have thought about it, I can't think of a player costing £25m who can replace him.
Nomidfield

02 Jul 2013 14:23:51
Man utd are on the verge of a double signing garay for 17 million and strootman 18 million 99. 9% sure

So what bring 0. 01% of uncertainty then? Personalyl hope your wring anyway
Invisible STuey

Is there not. 1% of uncertainty here? As. 01% uncertainty would mean he's 99. 99% certain. which he isn't.
Bohzman

It's 0. 1%, you even messed the banter up then u muppet!

02 Jul 2013 13:56:56
Sky have just cut the odds on vidic leaving utd from 4/1 to 2/1, with Bayern being the place to go however the rags claim bayern are going for David Luiz so its a tough one to judge. Any opinions out there? I'm thinking Vida is a beast but now is a good time to cash in on him as he hasn't been the most regular defender in the last two seasons and seems to be the slower of our group. Although he does bring a good bit of peace of mind.

Are we really a club that needs to 'cash in' on players? I mean, he's still our best defender when fit and IMO one of the best in the league or even Europe. I'm sure we could sell him now for £10-15m but I'd rather have him the the squad (and ideally starting 11) for the next 2/3 years TBH.

Gav, when fit? You're not suggesting he's injury prone are you?

He is sooooooo injury prone AJH, have you not noticed?

Brendan81

'Vida is a beast', but 'now is a good time to cash in'?

It's precisely because he is a beast, that we hold on to him.

Like HB said, we're not a club that needs to look at when we can get the best money for our players. We don't buy them, with the intention of selling them on for a profit.

We're not Arsenal, you know.

We could not afford to lose vidic and rooney that would be a disaster

AJH, I think that's clear for all concerned ;)

Amazing at it sounds, I agree with steviek. Vidic is a superb player who had a few injuries, if he can stay fit, then he is the best defender in the league and the captain of our team.
So this not the time to sell him. I think Moyes is going to need his leadership skills on the pitch as well.
Nomidfield

Lol, just found this on the rumours page

"Vidic can go not getting any younger and is always on the treatment table cash in now I say his best year's are behind him"

Sadly the poster left no name, how convenient!

02 Jul 2013 13:41:18
strootman staying at psv, one broadsheet saying we are unlikely to sign garay according to portugese sources, have we and the press been that wrong about our targets if these two weren't amongst them, guess we will have to wait and see.

Would hardly be the first time would it, an din this case I certainly hope we arent, both good but not great players that simply add to the squad not the first team and neither are needed in my opinion
Invisible STuey

02 Jul 2013 13:15:08
Im not negative, but after the last few seasons I have two rulesfor the transfer window; don't beleive it until the deal has been done and comfirmed by club and player.
2. Anything can happen (RVP)
This includes ins and outs.

1993

02 Jul 2013 12:50:23
I'm getting really sick of people constantly slating Wayne Rooney. Last season he had a fair few injuries but still scored 15+ goals and assisted 15+ more. The season before last he was sublime and scoring goals for fun.

Wayne Rooney's form has not been anywhere near as bad as people are suggesting. It was only 6-8 months ago we were drooling over Rooney & RvP as our two "nine and a halves". At the start of the season he was disrupted by the nasty injury against Fulham, but he came back and was playing brilliantly before he got injured around Christmas/New Year time.

I think a lot of United fans are puppets when it comes to Sir Alex. If he says Rooney is unfit or playing badly, everyone jumps on the bandwagon and automatically come to the same conclusion. I love Sir Alex, but he knows how to play the United fans as well as anyone ever has or will.

This may not be popular, but I also believe Sir Alex has twisted Rooney's words regarding the meeting they had in April or whenever it was. We may never know for sure but my gut feeling is that Sir Alex has taken the opportunity to hang Wayne out to dry as a way of getting back at him for asking to leave in 2010. I do personally think Sir Alex was unfair to Rooney in changing his position etc so often last season.

I am not for one minute suggesting that Rooney was right in what he did back then, he wasn't. But he apologised and regained his form and proved he loves this club. That is not in doubt.

At the end of the day, Wayne Rooney when fit and happy in his surroundings is one of the best players in the World. Neymar, Messi, Iniesta, Guardiola and many more have all spoken about how great a player he is. They know football.

We know what his temperament is like, so we should embrace it rather than try to change him. I hope he comes back, says he wants to stay, signs a new deal and David Moyes gets him fit and ready to kick on and shut all the doubters mouths.

At 27 he still has far too much to offer in football. I don't want to see him do it in any short other than that of Manchester United.

Could not agree more GRD; good post.
I genuinely believe Moyes will get him into shape and this will be Rooney's best season for a while.

I think you are in the minority and all the news coming from various people at OT is he is the culprit of what s going on and the sooner we see him gone the better.

Shahram

Well I think we will find Rooney wants to leave if not he will want a new contract at least same price if not more, he isn't worth it he isn't even fit and has lost all semblance of ball control
Let us wait and see shall we

We didn't need SAF to tell us Rooney was poor, it was there for all to see. He couldn't run, control the ball, or place a pass. It was embarrassing at times and should have been dragged off sooner. I would like nothing more than for him to get back to his best but just can't see it. Hope Moyes sorts him out.

Boyley

02 Jul 2013 13:40:50
You'll be disappointed come september then. I also must have missed when he got his form back. How does he love the club? Did he love the club when he demanded we almost double his wages or he was off to City? The cheeky scouse scamp eh. I agree Fergie hung him out to dry. But Rooney deserved it for how he hung the club out to dry. Who loves United more? Rooney or Fergie? He lost his position to a better player. We tried him elsewhere and he wasn't upto it. Wasn't good enough. And in the end looked like he was losing another position to another player in Kagawa. Bertie Wooster

Im getting sick of an overweight, uninterested player picking up £200k a wk and thinking he's bigger than our club while throwing his toys out of his pram and either putting in transfer requests or demanding to be played or sold

BABY FACED ASSASIN

I'm with grd on this, although most won't be surprised on that.
Rooney has had one bad season for me.

It is obvious that Van Persie should play up top with Rooney just behind. He and RvP were brilliant together in those roles, hence the "two nine and a halves" chat after games. Or are you one of those blinkered people who picks and chooses what he remembers?

GRD, I will not bad mouth Rooney by insulting him, but I will not ignore his obvious flaws either. Rooney has shown this season that he isn't good enough to play behind RvP on current form. Hence the reason he was dropped and subbed early for his poor performances. I cannot count on two hands how many times attacks broke down with him in possession. Rooney from 2009/10 season was unplayable, fit as a fiddle, fast, explosive, magnificent touch and I would love to have seen that Rooney pair up with RvP, but the Rooney of late is a shadow of his former self and based on last season isn't up to the task. We can keep talking about Rooney in past seasons, talking about goals and assists but the most important season is the latest one and based on this season he is completely out of sorts. Another season of this Rooney and we may come unstuck next season. People need to realise just how important next season is for Moyes and if Rooney is disruptive AGAIN, then it's the club and us fans that will suffer. Not Rooney with his £200k a week. Now it may be best for the club to let Rooney go, but IMO we would need to get a replacement in first or bolster other areas of the team. If the club give him a new deal and the club and Rooney are happy then I am sure all will get behind him and the club. I just hope we do not give into his latest demands just because we miss out on targets. We'll see how this pans out, but Rooney is no angel GRD so do not portray him in that light. He is also not as bad as some make him out to be either

Sydney!

Keep rooney let welbeck go

Syd, I said a few times that I'm not defending Rooney's actions previously and I don't agree with them either. I also agree his form last year after Christmas wasn't good enough but I do feel that was partly down to his injuries earlier in the season. Also, as much as Rooney is not an angel, neither is SAF
and he knows how to play people, particularly the fans.

Syd you just have a thing for rooney get over it

matt.

03 Jul 2013 11:11:38
Jred

2010/11 and 2012/13 were both bad seasons for Rooney as far as I'm concerned.

02 Jul 2013 11:23:28
Any one else think United are selling too low, why is Rooney being quoted at 20m? Surely that's nothing for the man, even if he's not been playing well. A happy and determined Wayne is worth 30 at least.

Especially as Chelsea bought Torres for £50m, he was off form and lacking confidence as well.

Kai

The supposed offer of 20 million from Chelsea has nothing to do with how much United value Rooney.

Chelsea bought Torres at the top of his form, Rooney is clearly not at the top of his.

RedDub

If he goes to a premier league team I'd think we would want no less than £30m, if he is to go abroad then depending on who the team was, he could go for a bit less.

Brendan81

Chelsea bought Torres at the top of his form? You must be having a laugh.

TK-Red

RedDub you are clueless if you think we got Torres anywhere close to his peak. He'd been out of form for 18 months Ffs.

Melbourne CFC

02 Jul 2013 12:14:41
Torres was certainly not the top of his form.

How was Torres at the top of his form he was s*** in his last season with the scoucers.

RRED7

RedDub, Torres was no way at the top of his form. He had been poor for two season previous.

Sydney!

Torres was nowhere near the top of his form when he left Liverpool for Chelsea. Torres was arguably the best all-round striker in the world for his first 18 months on Merseyside, but after that his head went down as the club got weaker and weaker on the pitch. Chelsea paid £50m for him because they thought his form had only dipped due to a lack of confidence and because he was unhappy. But his lack of goals and general dip in form has continued.

02 Jul 2013 13:58:48
Torres was no where near the top of his form when Chelsea bought him
Jred

Torres had that injury and was never the same player after.

Sparkyred

02 Jul 2013 10:54:35
sad to see this morning that paul mcgrath still having major drink problems, arrested in ireland at the weekend for public order offences, witnesses said he was being very loud and offending everybody close by. such a shame that a talented sportsman and great utd legend ends up fighting the demons. hope he can sort himself out but he's been in this situation for a long time now good luck paul.
johndenton

This is nothing new paul dosnt live too far from me an I can confirm he is out of order to the point fans won't ask him for an autograph or photo in case he snaps. when not drinking he is such a great guy an my prayers are wit him

CAIN

Say Cain where excatcly do you live I don't live to far away from Paul myself
Paddy The Irish Man

02 jul 2013 10:38:06
we need tried and tested premier
league midfielders with quality the
only ones i can think of are modric
fabregas wilshere mata and
fellaini



bfro

Agree except for fellaini

02 Jul 2013 10:34:17
My jag has the reg plate ME51 and I
live near chelsea training ground why
has nobody posted anything about
that

JORDANSFRONTTEETH

02 Jul 2013 10:18:58
rooney is leaving utd but utd will not sell him to an English club just had a text from a friend who is outside carrington

I'll have to get down there if Moyes is coming out giving exclusive information to random people hanging around outside Carrington. He has a very strange management style and still no signings, who did we give the managers job to?

Brendan81

Brendan,

Post of the day mate, that made me laugh a lot!

I'm sure there is just one guy/girl out there who just thinks of random sh*t to put on here with no name, gets more bizarre by the day.

Brendan81

02 Jul 2013 09:56:17
Does anyone know what's happening with strootman reports this morning saying psv will not be selling their player this summer?

02 Jul 2013 09:25:11
Some posts of late a tad negative. Moyesee first day yesterday and some have thrown in the towel already. The way I read it; getting his people in tells me he is his own man and capable of making decisions. Having people around him he trusts and are proven in his eyes is important to the man and I respect that. We know he has a good track record at a club that are mid table and with resources to be at best mid table. He achieved at that club and was admired for the work he did. MUFC is a different proposition and the jury is out because he has just started. He has all the attributes to be successful now we all have to be patient and give throw him a bit of slack.

He has inherited a winning team. If Sir Alex was in charge he would continue to improve on the squad so Moyesee will be no different. The majority of targets will be those from Sir Alex days even Baines. To judge his football aspirations we will probably need to review targets after this period unless a name comes out of the woodwork none of us have heard mentioned before. If he is the man I think he is we will see a number of midfielders acquired because we bloody need them!

In terms of Rooney, The saga is now a tad boring and potentially harmful for our reputation. Rooney is a class act, he has played his part in our dominance over the years albeit from time to time let himself down with fitness and weight problems. I believe is down to only one man, himself. We must sort him out and I trust Moyesee will do so, if he sells him it will be abroad, if he stays its on the Moyesee terms - make an impact or move on.

Can't wait for the new era and thanks to Sir Alex for 26 years of incident and success.

02 Jul 2013 09:16:13
Technical director Marcel Brands is quoted by De Telegraaf today: "Strootman we do not want to lose. He knows himself he will stay one more year at PSV. "

Could be why we have looked to Kondogbia recently.

Could also be PSV playing hardball. Trying to get a better fee for him.

Sydney!

Do tou think there is any chance we may buy him and loan him back, keep them sweet for future deals?

02 Jul 2013 09:03:25
What is optimism:
Nani/young out - cr7 or bale in
Anderson out - thiago in
Cleverly on the bench - gundogan in
Rooney getting fit and lewindawski signed.
Evra staying - Shaw signed as future replacement.
Above will be a fantastic team and squad and will challenge for the league and CL.
however, realism will set in and we won't buy the above.

We will have a strong team.

02 Jul 2013 07:12:44
Friends of mine spotted and had a photo taken (with their ears out) in front of a Bentley with a personalised CR7 plate in Fulham very late last night. Talks with Jose? or a fan with a Cristiano themed Bentley?

And boom the window starts

He is in Miami on holiday.

togthered.

I live in Fulham, this car is always floating around the Sands End part of Fulham. Moves everyday for the past 12 months. 100% not Ronaldo's car, bet he's gutted not to have the number plate though.

You sure it wasn't CR07 GFE?

Also if he's in Miami, not far to go and see the Glazer's in Tampa Bay and chat with Chevrolet!

I know neither would have any direct involvement but nothing like a spurious link.

Roland

Actually about 6 hours by car mate and quite a travel LOL.

Shahram

01 Jul 2013 23:56:02
Wayne Rooney will be leaving Manchester United. One meeting has already taken place between Moyes & Wayne, the outcome - Wayne wants out! Moyes asked him to reconsider & they're due to meet up again either tomorrow or Wednesday.

Laters Wazza.

Thank Christ he wants to leave. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. He has made his intentions clear months ago so I can't understand DM wanting to try to convince him otherwise. DM is an astute man and is well aware of the pressures facing him at our club, he won't want anyone (no matter how good they think they are)in his squad that is going to cause him problems down the line.
So good bye Wayne thanks for everything and hope you have a wonderful life somewhere far away.
P. S. can't wait for the day that his name no longer appears on this site.

If we sell him to an English team we better get 30£ and 25 to others

Red paddy I think you are in a too much of a hurry to get ride of him. yes he has asked to leave but how many players do that now days? its not a sport any more its almost a business.
i think if we can buy a good replacement then yes he can leave but if we can't buy a good replacement the I won't be happy if he leaves

I just feel at this stage it is creating too much indecision and could become contagious. The last time he threw a hissy fit he got well looked after for it, now he gets dropped and played out of position he wants to go again. If you were playing for a Sunday league team and you lost your place you would do your damned ness to get back on. This is Manchester United we are talking about here the biggest club on the planet, he should be setting his sights on becoming club captain, using his passion and fire to infuse those around him but he can't. Lampard didn't react like this when he was dropped. When was the last time he had a good game for England?If he ends up staying are we going to be sure he will change or will he do the same next year?. Also why is the figure of 30 mil being mentioned, surely if he was that good he should be worth somewhere in the region of 50 mil, Carroll went for 35 mil.

Red Paddy, would you like to suggest who we can buy for £25m who is going to bang in 20+ goals and make 10+ assists every year?
If there is a player out there who you can think of, then please let us know.
Also, I think United are selling him far too cheaply, Monaco just paid over £50m for Falcao, only a year younger than rooney. So why are we selling him so cheaply?
If he goes to Chelsea, we are screwed.
Nomidfield

No Midfield

Falcao is miles better than him and with Rooney's wages we can buy two top players who are committed to the club and we will not be having this charade, which is quite embarrassing.

Having listened to Rene or Phelan has now convinced me that he is not worth the effort and should be shown the door.

Whilst you keep taking about who we get as a replacement, you seem to miss the point that every club has to have a redline that players can not cross and he has definitely crossed that.

There are few of us who have always maintained he will be gone come this summer and still believe he is gone and chelsea can have him for 30 million, I agree 20 mill is too low.


Shahram