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28 Jun 2015 11:36:09
Ed, do you have any information regarding our interest in Coleman?
{Ed025's Note - i cant see him leaving everton this season pep, but stranger things have happened mate..
02 Jul 2015 21:48:36
Indeed ed. Thanks alot
{Ed025's Note - anytime pep mate..
02 Jul 2015 20:05:19
A question for anyone who has knowledge about this: I can remember the contract situation of Evra where United had the option to keep him for one additional year and they exercised it. How does this kind of situation work? Does the club and player both have to be ready or the club can decide on their own? Do United have such a clause in other players contracts as well or only for older players ( mainly I want to know if we have such an option for de gea as well). Thanks in advance.
02 Jul 2015 22:18:26
I think it's a one year rolling contract for the older players. Not 100 per cent about that but giggs had something like that as did Neville I think. Maybe carrick does now?
03 Jul 2015 04:10:29
A contract is a contract. Neither side can unilaterally decline to honour it. If United refuse to sell at this juncture then De Gea remains a United player. Should he throw a hissy fit and decline to play then he could be subject to legal action for breach of contract. It is however most unlikely to come to that.
As an aside, I seem to recall when Madrid first came calling for Ronaldo and United refused to sell, a soap opera played out in the press. The club was accused of a form of modern day slavery, forcing the player to stay against his will. It was just about the worst analogy I've ever heard, as if asking someone being paid a fortune over 3-4 years in accordance with an agreement they had willingly signed could be likened to bondage. But that's the way Madrid operate and I'm glad to see United calling their bluff by a) demanding a higher fee and b) looking for a player in return. Should he wish to I'm sure de Gea's agent can grease the wheels to ensure United get a fair price, of which, no doubt, he gets a proportional slice.
03 Jul 2015 11:23:47
Ha ha shawthing had to re read that post as when you put bondage for a moment i thought you meant in a mr gray style, did make me chuckle.
02 Jul 2015 20:15:05
Ohh what to make outta otamendi's agents comments.
02 Jul 2015 20:57:54
Interesting heh. And morrata at juve saying Madrid are not the club who wants vidal
02 Jul 2015 21:12:26
Ramos also holding out for an improved contract or quits before his return from his jollies. Guess we can put that theory of using us for a better contract to bed then. lol
02 Jul 2015 21:17:15
It would be a nice turn of events if we're actually playing Real Madrid and Ramos to make Valencia lower the price of otamendi. That being said I'd gladly have either of them!
02 Jul 2015 21:40:21
Oh did he, the plot thickens. Yes imagine if we got Ramos and Otamendi tho.
02 Jul 2015 21:52:45
Amazing if we got both. About £70m for both would be fair and offset by £25m for de gea (hope he stays but can't see it) would be money well spent in my opinion.
02 Jul 2015 13:53:58
I love Ed004 he knows everything. There should be an app on every football fan's phone where you just click it to ask Ed a question. like Siri.
If we do lose De Gea who's the likely replacement? I've always rated Lloris personally.
{Ed004's Note - Valdes will probably replace De Gea}
02 Jul 2015 20:16:41
Ed004 will be my favourite ed till the day he abandons us ;)
On another note where the hell is 025 these days? Has he abandoned us already?
{Ed025's Note - still here sailor, but ED004 and ED007 have been doing the business while i have been busy, but im staying around mate...you wont get rid of me that easy my old mucker.. :)
03 Jul 2015 10:17:57
Awww damn, just when I thought we had finally got rid of 025, here he is.
{Ed025's Note - i need someone to take my frustration of evertons transfer dealings on MPez..and you my friend are IT.. :)
02 Jul 2015 19:27:05
If any of you are bored with the lack of football atm give rugby league a try! Top sport and it's on tv Thursday and Friday nights, on the way to see my team now!
{Ed007's Note - We have a rugby forum, here,Andy that so far is just Ed001 talking to himself about a sport he knows nothing about.}
02 Jul 2015 20:02:50
Who's your team mate, Warrington or Wigan??
02 Jul 2015 21:20:32
Tour de France starts this weekend
{Ed025's Note - and wimbledon mort..
02 Jul 2015 21:47:10
2nd best sport in the world. The Ashes start soon :)
{Ed025's Note - love the cricket noucamp, played in the west lancs league for years mate..
02 Jul 2015 21:50:38
What about watching the Irish GAA. It's a great sport and would put many a footballer to shame the way they tackle. Dublin vs West Meath in the Leinster final on the 17th I think should be a brilliant game to watch.
Please don't diss it till ya watch it. And for those who don't understand a goal is 3 points and over the bar is 1 point
Dubs are the favs but west Meath will give it a great go
{Ed025's Note - i have not seen it myself RDF, but i might just give it a go after that build up mate..
02 Jul 2015 22:19:29
The retirement dream is island hopping through the Caribbean, following an England test tour, Ed. With or without the wife.
{Ed025's Note - id love to join you and the barmy army on that one noucamp, all i need is them 6 little numbers mate.. :)
02 Jul 2015 22:32:21
Warrington fan mate! Top night for us, Richie myler showing some serious football skill! Could teach di maria a thing or two
02 Jul 2015 22:39:58
I'll be the only Northern Irishman there, mate :)
03 Jul 2015 02:22:35
Everyone should try watching Australian Rules at least once. It's an interesting game that takes a while to get a grasp of but it can be very fast paced and exciting. Some of the rules and referee decisions can make no sense what so ever though.
03 Jul 2015 06:18:58
Steviek/noucamp
I recommend the Ashes in Australia , brilliant experience. Been to live cricket in the Caribbean but not England and it would be a cracking thing to do, only thing there is that on some islands it is difficult to be out of the hotel complex at night.
03 Jul 2015 11:31:44
RedAndy,
Warrington fan also, great result last night, shame we only turn up against the big teams this year or it could have been a much more successful season.
03 Jul 2015 14:01:58
Fully deserved that win, you bullied us, and outskilled us! Best Warrington performance iv seen for a while
03 Jul 2015 03:15:35
Ed025 Cheers Mate, it's a great game to watch when the EPL is over. My provincial team Dublin are the raining Leinster champs but Westmeath who have not been in a final for 17 yrs came back from what I believe was a 10 point deficit against Meath going into the 2nd half lasting 30/35 mins, to win with a goal with literally the last kick of the game. So the provincial finals should be great to watch of Ulster, Munster, Connacht & Leinster.
If you do enjoy it then keep watching as the county's compete after the finals to win the Sam Maguire cup which is the championship crown.
For anyone else baffled by Ulster, Munster, Connacht & Leinster then to explain the name meaning would be simply to say the county's in the area of North ( Ulster ) South ( Munster ) West ( Connacht ) & last but by no means least East ( Leinster )
A great sport and a mix of Rugby and Soccer where guys won't fall over when tackled. And get up and on with it.
{Ed025's Note - good information there RDF..cheers..
02 Jul 2015 19:21:34
Otimendi agent "before ramos leaves real Madrid, otimendi will be playing for a different club" interesting. my guess is he's already a red
02 Jul 2015 20:20:49
Would be fantastic ambition if we went for both
02 Jul 2015 20:41:22
Hope so he's class. Put Ramos beside him and now were talkin. Then put coleman at right back. Either shaw or blind at left back. If madrid keep messin around with us over De Gea we should hold him to his contract. Let him off for nothing next year. Be worth it to let then know we won't be bullied.Even if he does go in order for us to get Ramos we still got a world class operator in Valdes.Now that's a mean defence. We should take a leaf out of Daniel levies book. No one wants to deal with him, he won't be bullied and when he does sell he sells for well over his players worth.Make Madrid etc.think twice about stealing our players.
02 Jul 2015 20:54:00
Coleman ramos otimendi shaw. What a fantastic defence! smalling and jones as back up wow imagine. About 0.0000001% chance of it happening though
03 Jul 2015 01:59:34
Different club doesn't necessarily mean it is United, however I wish it to be. Otamendi to Real before Ramos to United is also a possibility.
03 Jul 2015 06:22:13
The word "playing" may be significant, perhaps the agent feels the Ramos transfer will not happen. I confess to be dubious that Ramos will leave Madrid especially if Real give him a pay rise that wants.
02 Jul 2015 17:40:17
does any one at man utd know player by name of William Carvalho?
why oh why do we keep chasing players who do not want come to united and they are only using us to get better deal.
Ever since Gill and Ferguson we have been laughing stock. We are in July and Louis is still to decide which player he wants and there is Woodward does not want spend any money.
I think £200 million is just pr exercise.
02 Jul 2015 17:51:01
so the money we spent last year was just pr!
02 Jul 2015 18:00:36
I'd just text him back and tell him to sort his targets out as we are obvs not working on any transfers at all are we.
02 Jul 2015 17:23:13
Guys, would it be such a bad thing to make De Gea see out his final year? Real won't stump up what we think his value is so let's keep him. Do what Dortmund did with Lewandowski - raise his wages for his final season. It would ensure he gives his all professionally. Plus it gives us an extra season to convince him to stay. especially if we can make some signings that makes us genuine title contenders. ?
02 Jul 2015 19:02:15
I'd keep de gea if we didn't get 33 million or ramos in straight swap
02 Jul 2015 19:53:19
I don't think extra money or more signings is DeGeas motivation. All family.
The only way it would work is if RM then go and get abother keeper they want like courtois and no longer want de gea.
02 Jul 2015 16:14:02
Any further developments in who we may or may not bring in as a replacement for De Gea? My personal preference is to bring in someone who eventually become first choice for years to come? Jan Oblak, Simon Scuffet, Bernd Leno, Kevin Trapp, Mattia Perrin, Anthony Lopes, Geronimo Rulli? All top goalies in there own right, but to bring in one of these top young talents would be a major coup in my mind? Cheers, Ronnie!
02 Jul 2015 17:03:35
If I'm honest I wouldn't touch any of the guys you've mentioned with perhaps yh exception of Leno.
Said it from day one, Cillessen is the man to take this club forward in my opinion. Extremely under-rated because he doesn't have a fancy name and because the last Dutch keeper we were linked with was Stekelenburg.
Lloris or Cillessen are the only options in my opinion.
02 Jul 2015 17:23:45
Oblak is my choice Ronnie.
02 Jul 2015 17:25:53
I think it'll be valdes mate. If not then I don't know why we signed him
02 Jul 2015 17:47:39
Valdes until Jan then when fit Fraser Forster😆😆
02 Jul 2015 16:48:13
According to the MEN, we have made an official offer of around 20 million for Schneiderlin.
I really hope we sign him. Of all the players we are being linked with, he could turn out to be the most valuable in terms of what he can potentially bring to the side.
I would be happy with him and Depay if that was the only business we did. I really would.
02 Jul 2015 17:17:36
I wouldnt. We desperately need a cb and rb. With rafaels injury problems i really don't want to see valencia at rb especially during ucl ggames. A cb is also a must if we are to challenge for the title
02 Jul 2015 17:22:18
If the £25m valuation is right I'd rather we stumped up the cash because that's good value these days, get him on the pre season tour
02 Jul 2015 17:35:48
Same here Andy. At today's prices, 25 million seems like a fair price considering the guy has been a consistent performer in the PL.
02 Jul 2015 16:42:10
Another day of the transfer window gone, and another little bit of my hope for next season has gone.
02 Jul 2015 17:10:04
Haha nou camp it's July 2nd
02 Jul 2015 17:12:56
(people taking this serious inbound, in. )
02 Jul 2015 17:20:26
Stevie,
No bites yet mate, they might come.
02 Jul 2015 17:26:20
Steviek,keep winding them up,haha.
02 Jul 2015 18:58:19
Talk about an over reaction, it is the 2nd July for Amuns sake! Can't believe what I read on here sometimes!
02 Jul 2015 20:09:05
Brendan, you should be ashamed of yourself! :)
02 Jul 2015 21:08:23
Tsk. tsk.
02 Jul 2015 15:17:21
Does anybody else think the rules should change for players being injured on International duty who are no longer wanted by their clubs? I'm thinking more specifically players on the transfer list.
For example - We are trying to sell Hernandez, we are now either stuck with him or will be forced to sell at a much reduced fee due to his injury. This will clearly effect things money wise but also who the club targets this summer, potentially missing out on targets because of squad size, players picking up a big wage who won't be used is a massive wasre, unwanted players sticking around and upsetting the apple cart is another issue, etc.
I think at the very least Mexico should be paying his wages or subsidising any deal we may strike with a buyer to ensure we get "fair "value. The only comment I read from Mexico was saying the injury is unfortunate for their campaign, so selfish!
I know there are loads of issues with Internationals and there is already some sort of compensation thing, but players no longer needed is a different kettle of fish imo and has much more problematic connotations.
02 Jul 2015 15:31:00
If we didn't need him then we probably shouldn't have signed him to a contract. At what point do you decide if a player isn't needed?
Quite ironic you mention them being selfish in that post!
02 Jul 2015 15:53:44
last season we never wanted fellani and he got injured . wat if Hernandez scores 20 plus goal tat be something
02 Jul 2015 16:01:40
Nope, it's just the nature of the game. Tough luck and move on.
02 Jul 2015 16:43:02
It was the nature of the game to allow the goalkeeper to pick up back passes!
02 Jul 2015 16:13:56
GDS2 - Have you brought a car or house and then wanted to sell it a few years later as you have something better in mind?
If you were close to selling your car which you keep up to spec (paying wages) and some mate bashes it losing a sale would you want compensation as you will have to now continue keeping it up to spec and no longer can buy the car you had your eye on?
Why should we pay because of somebody else, especially when we are doing them a favour in the first place?
02 Jul 2015 17:18:43
Can clubs and countries carry insurance for this sort of thing? If so, at least the wages could be met while they remain injured. Whether a policy would cover permanent loss of value due to injury is another matter. An auto policy covers both - at least here in Georgia.
02 Jul 2015 17:21:46
No, if something happens to your car just before you sell it then you either get it fixed before you sell it or let it go for cheaper. That is quite a poor analogy.
02 Jul 2015 18:17:14
But we can't sell it because there are only certain times of the year selling it is permitted. Yes you let it go for cheaper if you want rid that bad, but why should you have to suffer the loss if the cause wasn't your fault?
Analogy's aren't my forte, Mrs Beast keeps telling me off for providing them as they make me seem dumber than I am! Just like Colombo!
02 Jul 2015 15:11:20
Everton have lost a CB and we've kindly offered them a great replacement in Evans plus £20 million and perhaps Januzaj on loan. It's sounds more like a meal deal than a transfer deal. ;)
In all honesty I think every Everton fan would be gutted if they got Evans as part of a deal for Coleman. Fair play and hats off to Evans that he has got this far, but he has had one season to many at OT. If he does go I wish him all the best. Not everyone can make it at the top level.
So far we've signed Depay who I think will be a great signing. Hopefully we can add Schneiderlin and Coleman before we fly out to USA. A think it will be tough to conclude a deal for DDG and Ramos. Both clubs are playing hard ball with Real who have everything to gain.
02 Jul 2015 16:40:34
If I was an Everton fan, I'd be more than happy to be getting a proven Premiership winner.
02 Jul 2015 19:16:51
If I was an Everton fan I'd be devastated! It would be Evans and Cleverley in one window. And I thought we hated the red side of that place the most!
02 Jul 2015 13:41:35
I wasn't concerned with the lack of transfer activity last week but I must admit I feel rather frustrated now as I thought we would of seen a few new faces. However despite this, I am confident that we will bring in the players we need and I am wondering if it will be a flurry of transfers rather than 1 this week, 1 next week, 1 the week after etc. I'm not sure the structure of our negotiating team and although Ed is the main guy, I can't believe he is doing all alone even though he will more than likely give the final say so. So I am hoping the lack of announcements is due to the majority of his time being spent with Madrid and the DDG & Ramos saga. I still think Schneiderlin will come in and I also think Schweinsteiger will as well. It's the CB role which intrigues me as I never imagined Ramos was a possibility but I am starting to see that as a real potential transfer, unfortunately I can't see that happening without DDG going to them. As for RB, I think with Januzaj, we have a strong bargaining tool to use with Coleman. So in summary, although frustrating, I think we will all have a big smile on our faces come the start of the season.
02 Jul 2015 13:59:08
It's only the second of July mate and we have a new top player in our ranks and are close to Schneiderlin who will solve many problems. We are also in talks for one of the top 5 centre backs in the world in Sergio Ramos and have an interest in Coleman.
I think these deals will be done by the end of the month and some within the next fortnight before the tour.
The ones that I think will drag on will be the goalkeeper situation. Does De Gea go? And also I think it may take us a while to sign a striker.
02 Jul 2015 14:51:53
I thought LVG wanted transfer business done Asap? Don't look it's going to plan from our standpoint does it? I could be wrong and eat my words over the coming days, let's hope I do!
02 Jul 2015 15:01:17
Sounds a bit like Moyes summer. Promised big signings and everybody has high hopes right until the last day and we end with nobody
02 Jul 2015 15:17:50
I will be more worried next week if there isn't any movement
02 Jul 2015 15:21:40
We have over 60 days left boys and the big names do not move over night and i reckon we will see all the major transfers of the summer by big clubs drag out over a few weeks and end up being completed in august.
02 Jul 2015 17:02:58
I don't think it's as easy as there's £20m, no? Ok £25m, deal, photo with the shirt on. These things take time, targets identified, even then is the other club open to offers, negotiation, does the player want the move, agent fees, contract talks. Big name players it'll take longer prob and it's the top players we look at, in the words of Gary Barlow 'have a little patience'
02 Jul 2015 21:40:22
If you're worried about lack of movement you need more fibre.
02 Jul 2015 13:03:25
Alot of people on here seemed to think players only move to where the money is and won't join us because we are manchester united. Do you think then that players don't join Madrid or barca because they are who they are? Because when players we were interested go to Madrid its definitely not because they are paying them more than us is it? It's because they are Madrid??
02 Jul 2015 13:35:06
i just mentioned a bit lower down, i think the spanish way of life is a big draw for a lot of the foreign players too. to us fans it wouldn't make a difference if united played in outer mongolia, if we had the chance to play for them we would but if you have no feeling for the club then destination makes a huge difference, plus they'll be winning titles at madrid and barca too as they would at united.
it's not as though they are choosing destinations where they aren't going to win anything (well apart from the few who went to play in russia)
02 Jul 2015 13:35:56
its a bit of both, but players follow the money
02 Jul 2015 13:56:39
The lure of Spain for Latino and South Americans has always been huge. Recently with the coverage of overseas football being televised and with Barca and Madrid becoming powerhouses we have seen the modern day footballer crave their badge. Look at Bale for example, he was wearing a Madrid top at the age of 5 years old such is the modern world.
No one doubts that the name of the club be that United, Madrid, Barca or whomever plays a part in bringing in a player but the ultimate factor in the modern game is the amount of cash on offer. On top of that there is this new craze where players and their families are choosing clubs by location and not to offend anyone but Manchester is well, pretty drab and bleak compared to other parts of the world.
All in all, it's not only about cash being a draw card for players to certain clubs but money is the main factor for most indivduals making any decision in life in our modern society, not just football.
02 Jul 2015 13:59:03
It used to be that if Madrid, barca or united were after you, you went to them, I just can't help but feel we have lost that draw we had with fergie. Obviously helped winning the league but just realising how hard it's going to be to win the league again I would hate for us to do a Liverpool and become an average Club with a good history.
02 Jul 2015 14:17:51
Players move for several different reasons. One is money, at the end of the day playing football is their job and they will make decision based on the financial aspects involved. Another is location, where do you want to live, different factors will have an effect on this. Weather, culture, family and friend all play a part. Then there is career success and playing time and even playing position.
All of these things will play a role in a player deciding where they want to play. Different players will obviously value different things at varying levels.
But most players but especially foreign and Latin players will naturally been drawn towards the Spanish team due to climate and culture which will make it easier for them and their families to live there. Also with Barca being the current best team in the world and Madrids history especially in the Champions league there are big attractions to tempt players over a move to the wet cold north west of England.
Just one look at Di Maria will show how important it is for a player and his family to settle in the new country.
02 Jul 2015 14:20:49
IF you keep getting heatwaves over there it should be no issue ;)
02 Jul 2015 14:43:32
In May I went to Madrid for 4 days, did a stadium tour of the Bernabaeu and went to watch Athletico Madrid v Barca.
Best short trip I've ever been on, Madrid is one of the nicest places I've ever been to and I think as a footballer I'd be well beyond cloud 9 if I was told I'll be living in Madrid and playing there. Not to mention the food, weather and how friendly the people were!
Their stadium is no better than ours on appearance but what a place. Miles better than Manchester in so many ways. If you didn't have an affiliation to play for either team and you just wanted to live in the best place then as a city Madrid is 10 times better than Manchester on the whole.
My wife went to Barcelona and thought it was the nicest city she's ever been to.
02 Jul 2015 14:56:55
I've been to Madrid a few times and must admit I have enjoyed the culture etc but the city itself is very dirty.
02 Jul 2015 16:04:39
All cities can be dirty depending on where you go JMB.
02 Jul 2015 12:59:14
starting to think that maybe we're only in for possibly 2 players total, that with depay being one of them. if we're struggling to get the very best to come to united it would make sense not to go on a spending spree for the sake of just spending money.
so if that is indeed the case and we were only going to go for one more player, what position would you look to go for?
for me it has to be CB.
02 Jul 2015 13:08:08
Why would you think we are only going for one player?
Ramos / Hummels / Otamendi if it had to be one.
02 Jul 2015 13:10:48
Will be more than just one other player coming in i am sure.
02 Jul 2015 13:14:37
I agree to a certain point that there is no point spending money for the sake of it but if we can't sign any top players we will just have to sign some at the next level down there are plenty of players who are not considered world class that would drastically improve us and we cannot afford to not strengthen so i wouldn't choose as it is essential that we strengthen the defence and midfield otherwise we can kiss goodbye to any title challenge and decent UCL campaign
02 Jul 2015 13:19:02
We need a cb and rb no matter what! Also a holding midfielder so we have to pay big for 3 players otherwise we will find it very difficult to win a trophy and get in top 4 next year! Look how hard it was this year, imagine no de gea, only depay added, and Liverpool strengthening! We need cb,rb,cm and they need to be top players! In and ideal world, Coleman, shniederlin and ramos or otimendi! of we can get otimendi and ramos even better! Plus I'd love vidal and shniederlin aswell but vidal looks Madrid bound. Think swienstieger will stay with bayern.
02 Jul 2015 13:25:00
why this panic just cause liverpool buying . the team finished above us not made signing other the Arsenal v got depay all ready . more even the training starts from july 6th only let's waite v want quality players who can improve our starting 11 most of the players have agreed just need to finalise the fee v will get them .
02 Jul 2015 13:29:46
i just think a lot of the type of players i'd like to think we're targeting have no real desire to leave where they are playing, especially from abroad.
I'm not saying we aren't a big attraction anymore but there are a lot of clubs in the world these days where you can still achieve great things, Byern, real, barca, juve, psg.
plus i think the way of life abroad is a lot more appealing too.
all my opinion of course
02 Jul 2015 13:38:34
@dwill how am i panicking? i'm simply stating that the caliber of player i'd expect us to target might quite simply not be available.
02 Jul 2015 13:46:24
It is a game of patience and giggs said we will strengthen it's just hard this time of year because we want the best players signed and we just guess all the time and fall for the media
02 Jul 2015 12:23:29
If Schneiderlin doesn't go through would Miralem Pjanic of Roma be another option?
02 Jul 2015 12:30:47
Think Schneiderlin will go through soon, don't think Pjanic is a target but think he would be a good option.
02 Jul 2015 12:34:19
I don't think he would be suited to the deep role.
02 Jul 2015 13:32:32
Carvalho will be better option.
02 Jul 2015 14:05:40
Nomid - Carvalho is a menace and a marauder in midfield. Good player.
02 Jul 2015 17:18:03
I always saw Pjanic as an attacking midfielder, a creator. Not sure that's the way I'd describe Morgan (I'm not his mate, I'm just using his first name from now on, to save me checking google every time for his surname)
02 Jul 2015 11:34:27
With Hernandez out for 12 weeks we can rule out the possibility of selling him in this window but we can guarantee we will sign a new striker.
02 Jul 2015 12:17:19
I'm sure Schneiderlin will be our next signing. And I have a feeling Otamendi will be announced after the final of the Coppa. Ramos IMO is a doubt. Coleman would be nice, but Everton will want the World for him. And IF LVG signs a striker he'll be a surprising one. We all want rumours, but I think it's better that United don't point their targets.
02 Jul 2015 12:34:50
I hope we can get Coleman - money plus Evans and Januzaj on loan.
02 Jul 2015 10:55:47
Reading between the lines, i'm assuming we are one of the clubs in for Vidal and Schneiderlin is also on the cards? Maybe i'm adding 2+2 and getting 5 ha.
I think our next signing will be a CB, then schneid and lastly Vidal. I personally think RVP will stay, unless someone who was previously an unrealistic option becomes available(lacazette, Cavani, Higuin etc).
Thoughts lads?
02 Jul 2015 11:13:11
We can't be sure of exactly who we are going for.
But I think our next signing will be Schneiderlin. I then think it will be a centre back, hopefully Sergio Ramos. We will then probably turn our attention to Coleman, unless LVG is happy with Valencia and Varela. Then hopefully Vidal. I don't think we will manage to get another forward, but if we get Coleman, Sergio Ramos, Schneiderlin and Vidal we would be sweet, as well as a new keeper. There is too much to do to sign a top forward as well I would think.
02 Jul 2015 11:22:27
Think Schneiderlin will come to us, Vidal will end up at Madrid, hoping we sort something out for Ramos but not going to hold my breath.
As for RVP it looks like they are looking to get another striker in so i think he will be on his way soon.
02 Jul 2015 11:26:11
I think coleman is nailed on tbh, forgot to put that in the OP. Coleman will probs arrive later on in the window. I can't see LVG going for a keeper, i can see him sticking with Valdes and possibly look again in Jan. Would love De Gea to stay and tbh, i'd keep him for that extra year and let him go for free than sell him for less than £20m. Looking at the posts ed002 put in january, we may still have interest in Joel Veltman, Kongolo or Hummells(done to death) for the CB options. None of the eds have actually said Otamendi is a target have they?
02 Jul 2015 11:28:03
Lyon would accept a significant bid for lacazette and with City having their FFP issues, Chelsea playing 1 which is Costa perhaps we should strike while the iron is hot.
If arsenal signed lacazette and Carvalho this summer they'll take some beating.
02 Jul 2015 12:09:53
Lyon said they will only listen to offers from £22m and up? We should bid £24m for Lacazette and I'd say that'd be a deal! The guys 24 yet to peek and I'd say bargain!
On another note, when Di Maria was at Madrid, even though he's left footed, he's better on the right side, Depay, Lacazette Di Maria front three scary thought!
Or, if Di Maria goes to PSG, Felipe Anderson HAS to be brought in!
02 Jul 2015 12:37:50
Lacazette is a no brainer but I don't believe that Lyon would take anything less than £30 million.
02 Jul 2015 12:51:11
Reports say minimum £22m? Although he is worthy of a '£30m price tag due to his age? But I'd say go with £22m if it's rejected we know where we'll stand! But I would say they'd snap our hands off at £25m!
02 Jul 2015 13:10:46
Ronnie,
I am unsure it is that simple, do we then kipnap the player?
02 Jul 2015 14:19:00
Hold him to ransom until he signs or pull the trigger and move on, I know some dodgy characters, I'll get them involved! Haha!
Away from Lacazette, what is Shaquiri doing signing for Stoke!?
That's why ANYTHING is possible!
02 Jul 2015 14:50:30
pull the trigger and move haha, awesome
02 Jul 2015 20:20:56
Ronnie you ask why shaquiri is potentially joining stoke and in my opinion its due to the pl rights. There is lots of money swilling around due to this cash influx and i can see this making the pl very interesting as a lot of clubs will have injections of quality bought this year. I think there will be lots of points dropped against the so called lesser sides.
{Ed007's Note - The new TV deal doesn't start until 2016/17.}
02 Jul 2015 21:34:58
Doesnt it ed i didn't know and assumed it was this year as clubs are being linked with players you wouldn't assume they could entice. Thanks for the info though as its always good to know the right facts.
{Ed007's Note - I know what you're saying mate and I actually went and double checked before answering you as I had never thought about it that way.}
02 Jul 2015 10:19:19
The striker position is interesting I think with Rooney a definite starter and us playing just the one up top, I'd like to get people's thoughts cz the way I see it is 3 potential options;
1) RVP stays and is back up to Roo, along with Wilson, therefore RVP can remain fit.
2) We sign a younger, impressive up and coming striker who is happy to wait his turn behind Rooney.
3) We sign a top class striker, Cavani etc. and this is where I get stuck with this option, they wait there turn or play ahead of Rooney?
02 Jul 2015 10:27:53
Three options:
1) We sign someone like Muller who can play wide which means Di Maria drops into the middle 3 with Rooney up top.
2) We sign a centre forward that see's Rooney drop into the middle 3.
3) We sign a new attacking midfielder (goal scoring midfielder) who plays in the middle 3 with Rooney ahead.
My preference is the first option. Sign someone like Muller and have Muller and Depay wide with Rooney spearheading the attack and Di Maria pulling the strings alongside Herrera and Schneiderlin.
02 Jul 2015 10:32:25
at the start of the season we had falcao ,rvp,rooney and wilson.
falcao has gone i think rvp may leave so there is room for a striker
02 Jul 2015 10:47:47
Im with fresh on this one .Plus we have a very good back -up squad to replace any injuries etc Mata Fellaini Young and Blind.😆😆
02 Jul 2015 11:03:35
Don't like the idea of rvp as back up , I don't think he'd accept that role and could be a disruptive influence in the squad
02 Jul 2015 10:37:25
We need a 20 goal a season striker, RvP can't do it any more. And Rooneys goals have always come in bursts, I think he has only scored more than 20 goals in a season a couple of times in his 13 year professional career which suggest he probably isn't the man to do it.
I think Rooney will continue to play as either a ST No.10 or maybe even wider in some games.
Maybe we should sign one of Cavani or Lacazette who could play as a ST or wider if needed.
02 Jul 2015 10:42:06
Oh please not Rooney in midfield LVG ha. I think Herrera alongside somebody but who, hmm. di Maria perhaps. Option 1 would be good tho fresh.
I agree there would be room for a striker jred but needs to be one that doesn't mind sitting behind Rooney in the pecking order, unless of course fresh' option 2 happens. Or we go 4231 and have Rooney drop to the '10' role to accomadate a new striker but then I fear Herrera would be the sacrifice.
02 Jul 2015 11:17:15
I genuinely feel Rooney will cross the 20 goal mark this season
02 Jul 2015 12:19:52
I think if we are playing 433 then I am happy with Rooney/RVP/Wilson assuming RVP stays. If we moved towards a 4231 then I can see the need for another striker to play up top with Rooney coming into the middle of the 3 behind as a 10 type.
02 Jul 2015 13:13:05
i can't see us moving for a striker this window tbh. i can honestly only see us moving for 1 maybe 2 at a push more signings which will be 3 including depay. i think it will be a CB and possibly a CM
02 Jul 2015 14:42:27
Srestha what makes you so sure he's only done it twice in his career and he's at an age where you start to see tail off in goals.
02 Jul 2015 11:25:11
I personally don't think we will sign a big name striker this summer but I'm also thinking if carrick is fit he plays so Schneiderlin may be the only MF signed, who knows eh.
Ed004 if your about what is your thoughts on who plays where next season, di Maria wide or central, Rooney up top or deeper, sign a forward or a second MF? Thanks in advance.
{Ed004's Note - I would only play Rooney as a striker. Di Maria would depend on the opposition. Sometimes he should play centrally or out wide}
02 Jul 2015 10:12:48
So it appears we've missed out on Gundogan or we are going to pay a hell of a lot more than we could've.Also Hummels saying a while back he won't be leaving seems another opportunity missed. So now we appear to be farting about with Schneiderlein which is puzzling and playing dangerous games with Madrid which is frustrating all whilst flirting with Schweinsteiger and missing out on Clyne while waiting on Everton to probably bugger us over Coleman. Here I was thinking we were going to get our business done really early. Gentlefolk, It appears transfer season is well and truly underway!!!
02 Jul 2015 10:29:01
I have said all along that Gundogan is a huge fitness risk. And I imagine he has signed a new deal so that he can join Barcelona next season, I don't see him being an option for us.
02 Jul 2015 11:03:20
Your probably right fresh but that passing range is tasty and he's a good tackler too. I would've been really happy with him and schneiderlein. Would love to know what's going on with him(schn) he's a beast we could do with.
02 Jul 2015 09:52:49
The Bayern Sporting Director Mattias Sammer has refused to comment when asked directly about ADM, hopefully this means they are interested in him.
02 Jul 2015 10:04:28
What a great fan you are
02 Jul 2015 10:10:02
why will united be better with out him ?
02 Jul 2015 10:21:09
I'm excited to see ADM play this year with a bit less pressure on him, people are expecting him to be rubbish now by the looks of it so I thoroughly expect him to prove a lot of people wrong. In that Argentina team he looks a totally different player, hopefully he will have a little break and come back with a lot more confidence, something he will have more of if the fans get off his back.
02 Jul 2015 10:29:25
Why would we want them to be interested. When on form he would be our best player.
02 Jul 2015 10:30:02
I don't think ADM will be going anywhere, hoping he will find his form for us this season.
02 Jul 2015 10:30:45
gds he is given the freedom to play his natural game for argentina which i don't think was the case last season at united.
i rate him and hope we see the best of him this season
02 Jul 2015 10:32:33
Agree GDS. I will be first to hold my hands up and say I wasn't impressed with him last season but if we get half the player who is playing for the Argies in the Copa back next campaign then I can't wait.
02 Jul 2015 10:37:53
Our play was too slow last yr which meant di maria had to change his whole style. With depay coming in and hopefully quicker play i'm certain we will see the very best of angel di maria
02 Jul 2015 11:26:20
It is so idiotic when people slate ADM because of one poor season . Remember folks ! Form is temporary , Class is Permanent . I just can't wait to see ADM on his best this season .
02 Jul 2015 12:01:12
To be honest, I never rated ADM that much but having watched him in his last 2 seasons for Madrid, he has been immense and it's clear he is up there with the best bar the two ET's. I think if he can get his form (and head) right he will be unstoppable. Besides, I don't think UTD selling their most technically gifted (and most expensive ever) player one year after buying him is really an option.
02 Jul 2015 12:27:34
Think Mata's more technically gifted
02 Jul 2015 12:51:09
of course you do JMB.
02 Jul 2015 13:13:35
I think Mata is probably the most technically gifted clever player in the squad, just wish he could do it a bit quicker!
02 Jul 2015 13:17:22
I must admit I thought Di Maria was shocking at times last season but I'm very interested to see how he performs this one so I hope we keep him for at least another year .
02 Jul 2015 14:29:13
ADM is considered by many to be on of the top 10 players in the world, he plays in one of the most advanced positions on the pitch yet his best ever career return for goals is 7, a guy playing in some of the best teams in the world in leagues with some pretty uncompetitive games has only ever managed 7 goals, it's a terrible return.
Some people quote his assist stats, I could play a simple pass to Ronaldo or Messi watch them skin 5 players and grab myself an assist, being the closest player on the pitch to the two aforementioned players pretty much guarantees you assists. He played/plays with some of the best attacking players of his generation if not in the history of this game.
Apart from his goal return my other main issue is his weakness. He gets dispossessed very easily and doesn't chip in enough defensivly. None of his traits suit possession based, pressing football.
If he stays I will support him, I have no personal issue with ADM I just don't think he suits the EPL or the style of play LVG is implementing.
02 Jul 2015 09:37:30
With RvP likely to leave and Chicharito out of favour(also got injured yesterday) we are left with just Rooney and Wilson in the striker department.
Surely we need at least 1 more striker?
I understand that with the formation we will play we will play just 1 striker but given our injury record in the past few years what happens when Rooney and Wilson gets injured?
Even if 1 gets injured we will have no striker on the bench to call on.
Any possible candidates been looked at?
02 Jul 2015 09:42:37
Benzema, Cavani, Muller or Lacazette. I'd be happy with any of them apart from Cavani.
02 Jul 2015 09:59:29
I would want Cavani personally.
02 Jul 2015 10:04:57
How about Mitrovic of anderlecht?
02 Jul 2015 10:11:41
Depay and Fellaini can also play there if needs be.
CB's and CM are the most crucial areas to focus on.
02 Jul 2015 10:16:48
Personally as an out and out ST I would prefer one of Lewandowski or Benzema.
But that being said if we continue with 433 then it makes sense to move for a striker who can play wide as well as through the middle as it offers more flexibility.
So for me we should move for one of Lacazette or Cavani.
02 Jul 2015 10:49:00
Lacazette or Muller for me Shappy. We need good movement and flexibility. Cavani is no good from a wide position and I'm unsure how good he actually is.
02 Jul 2015 11:22:24
Muller is unobtainable. Cavani usually manages 15 goals a season and a handful of assist when played wide. Through the middle he will get 20 plus goals. His movement, finishing ability and work rate are top notch, he can bring people into the game and take opposition out of it. The only question mark for me is he sometimes goes missing in the big games. But people have said the same thing about Messi and Ronaldo when they were younger. Very few players are able to turn it on in every big game, plus as a striker you are kind of relying on your team mates to play well for you to get the chances.
02 Jul 2015 11:28:02
isnt depay capable of playing ST also?
02 Jul 2015 12:56:15
yes srestha i think v will use depay and fellani if v need . i want us to get 1 cb 1 rb 2 cm .
02 Jul 2015 09:30:18
Vidal update on the gooners page.
02 Jul 2015 09:45:00
And a Schneiderlin Update sort of, he is being careful not to provide any United info so you have to fill in the blanks.
02 Jul 2015 09:56:38
Ha yes and a Carvalho update further down the Liverpool banter page, kind of.
02 Jul 2015 10:12:23
Anytime the Ed doesn't go into detail on a club that is interested in a player I'm just assuming it is us.
02 Jul 2015 10:20:17
we would be getting updates if people wernt idiots.
02 Jul 2015 10:21:10
Yeah that's what I do too Rosie haha. Here's hoping eh.
02 Jul 2015 11:24:43
spb I used to think that but none of the stick the Ed's get on here is any worse than the other pages. We are just the chosen ones for punishment.
{Ed001's Note - that is simply not the case, you only see a part of it, so how on earth would you know what the abuse is like? It is what is deleted that is the problem, not the bits you see.}
02 Jul 2015 12:07:15
Detention for you Rosie ;p
{Ed007's Note - Maybe if you all stop blubbering like spoilt kids and making an issue of it Ed002 MIGHT mellow and provide an update, or she might not. I'm actually embarrased for some of you when I see the pleading and grovelling posts you send in, yesterday was particularly vomit inducing and to see grown men behave like that is beyond cringe. I'll not embarrass them by mentioning names but they'll know who they are.
I dread to think what their reaction is when their wife has a headache.}
02 Jul 2015 12:40:12
You would write that below my post Bond ha tho I'll admit I've been guilty of shameless grovelling in the past, wish my gf would have a few more headaches sometimes she might stop talking then.
{Ed007's Note - It wasn't aimed at you specifically mate, sorry if it seemed that way.}
02 Jul 2015 12:52:11
No I know, it didn't either, that's ok, must be frustrating for you guys. Thought I was going to have to cancel the Janko transfer for a moment there Bond ha.
{Ed007's Note - I don't think he's sang in front of the squad and staff yet so it can still fall through :)
02 Jul 2015 13:08:06
I thought it'd be more a bar brawl royal rumble type of initiation.
{Ed007's Note - They stopped that when Rangers went bust and there was no need to train in unarmed combat for matches any more.}
02 Jul 2015 13:28:17
We don't need Ed002 anyway, Ed007 is my hero!
{Ed007's Note -
02 Jul 2015 13:42:25
Haha, yes the zombies, good on Motherwell I say.
{Ed007's Note - (rofl)
02 Jul 2015 09:15:47
A question to everyone who is freaking out about our transfer (or lack of) activity thus far, out of all the moves that have been completed at this moment in time would you trade any of them for Depay?
Yeah me neither.
02 Jul 2015 09:39:35
If Liverpool had of signed depay and we signed clyne and firmino I'd have been envious of Liverpool I have to say but they didn't, we did and I'm happy we have depay.
02 Jul 2015 09:55:55
Agree wholeheartedly WRD.
02 Jul 2015 10:42:55
Me too so excited about Depay but still desperate for at least a CB, RB and CM, Otamendi, Clune and Schneiderlin could all have been completed by now, copa America may have held the Otamendi deal up but as it stands it looks like we are still messing around in the transfer market. If we end up missing out on Otamendi and Schneiderlin because of time wasting on other unobtainable players again Ed would need to go. Why not gets Schneiderlin and Itamendi done and then go after stellar names if we get them too move on people like Evans, jones. I hope I'm wrong but haven't we all been here before with Robben, Ronaldinho, Ozil, Hazard, Fabregas, Thiago, Vidal. Daydreaming about Ramos and Bastian is wasting time and possibly going to upset likely transfer targets who genuinely want to sign for us
02 Jul 2015 11:33:40
I agree Jamie, maybe a couple of our deals are in the copa america but yeah just get deals done instead of putting them on the back burner and risk losing out altogether. I sometimes think it's the we are united arrogance but then I think it mustn't be the easiest job in the world trying to complete transfer dealings, Ed is still trying to make a name for himself in his role in respect to maybe other clubs longer serving transfer specialists.
02 Jul 2015 07:50:13
Schneiderlin transfer is taking long to complete because of United's 20m initial bid which is rejected. I can't get what United's idea behind that. Schneiderlin valued at 25m is a good price to buy in this current inflated market.
02 Jul 2015 09:14:17
Have you ever just paid the asking price for a car or house? Regardless of whether the asking price was a fair price.
When ever I've bought a car I've never paid the asking price, If every time I had I would probably be 12-15k out of pocket by now.
Are you expecting the club to sign just Schneiderlin or are you expecting a CB and RB and maybe a ST as well? So the club will need to negotiate on all transfers. Some take longer than others, but we have until the end of August to sign these players. There really is no rush.
02 Jul 2015 09:45:43
Well said Shappy!
02 Jul 2015 09:50:26
I had been in a situation of buying a land, bargaining it for some 2% less amount that quoted price.The land owner stood stubborn and I told him I will finalise my decision the next day. The next day land owner phoned me telling that he sold it for the original quoted price. When comparing the market value for that land now that 2% is nothing. I am from India.
02 Jul 2015 10:23:36
I agree with you Midfield Maestro. I brought my old house for market value because it was a good deal, if I hadn't I would have had nowhere to move into either and somebody else would have had it.
In a nutshell I wouldn't have been prepared for my daily life, I would have been focussing on finding a different house, (probably getting desperate not carrying out due diligence, under pressure from the Mrs and paying over the odds or lowering my standards).
I'm not panicking, but I am certainly concerned, because the last 2 summer's were a shambles preparation wise and this year we have CL qualifiers and the 3rd of 3 windows where apparently the overhaul is meant to be completed!
We have soon forgotten about that 3 window assurance and the obvious fact that LVG needs time to install his methods on signings! If desperation does seep in it will lead to going Dutch imo, big mistake.
02 Jul 2015 10:29:44
Some you win and some you lose, I expect the person who bought that land would have tried to get it for less as well but decided to pay the asking price to beat you to the deal. That happens sometimes. In hindsight you may feel you should have just paid the asking price, but if you did then the other person may have offered above the asking price. At that point would you have got into a bidding war or would you have walked away?
All negotiations are complex and have many factors involved.
In terms of player transfers you have the buying club, the selling club, the player and his agent all trying to get the best deal for themselves. All have different factors to consider.
With Schneiderlin apparently Southampton have agreed to let him leave, he will only consider a move to a champions league team which rules out all interest in him bar ourselves and Arsenal. Apparently Arsenal aren't prepared to pay the asking price and as such have shelved their interest in him. Meaning we have a pretty much clear run at him. No need to dive in and just pay what Southampton want. Southampton want to move him on quickly so they can move on their preferred targets to replace him. As such they have a choice to make settle on a lower fee to move him quickly or wait it out for a extra few million and miss out on their replacement.
Also we don't know what or who else the club are trying to sign. Patience is a virtue.
02 Jul 2015 11:03:51
I agree patience is virtue. We should also know when to break the patience. I think we are in the correct time of the window this summer to break patience and act. We are not like current Chelsea who are very balanced and needs tinkering here and there. They can wait till August 31 for a player we can't.
02 Jul 2015 11:17:53
Beast what's wrong with going Dutch? Janmaat, de vrij and clasie, whilst not the most exciting names would all improve us. Not saying we're in for any if them or if they'd even be ny first choices but we could have done worse by signing some of what we've 'missed' out on.
02 Jul 2015 11:23:53
If the club feel its time to act they will do.
02 Jul 2015 04:11:50
With LVG's possession style of play does an out and out poacher like Javier Hernandez or Wilson fit in starting 11? Though we played possession football without cutting edge last season it is clear that the likes of Mata, Herrera, Fellaini contributing to goals tally. Does that mean with better defence, even better midfield this season and the likes of depay and ADM contributing to goals there is no need to completely rely on Strikers for goals or no need for a new striker?
02 Jul 2015 05:46:40
With better defense and midfield , we can rely goals from every aspect of our team . I think Strikers will also score lots of goals with strong spine behind
02 Jul 2015 07:54:42
I think in a 433 the goals come from all front 3 and the main striker needs to be good at link up play to bring others in with the 3 being fluid.
Look at RM benzema gets his fair share but is not seen as the main goal getter.
I think this is where Kane was a popular choice as he was exceptional at that this year.
02 Jul 2015 09:22:34
You never want to just rely on your strikers for goals, I think I'm right in saying that no team has won the league without a midfielder who has got double figures in goals. So that suggests that you need goals from midfield to win titles.
But on the flip side you need a 20 goal a season striker to trouble the opposition defenders enough to create the space for the midfielders to score.
Personally when I look at our squad I see Rooney, RvP, Depay, Mata, Di Maria as all players who should be getting into double figures, With the likes of Wilson, Fellaini, Smalling, Januzaj, Young and Herrera who should all be getting 4-7 goals a season at least.
But imo we are missing a striker who will get 20 goals a season, Someone like Lacazette, Benzema, Cavani or Lewandowski is important if we want to win titles.
02 Jul 2015 11:49:29
Shappy !
I am pretty sure nobody in our midfield scored double figures when we won the league in SAF's last season
02 Jul 2015 14:37:36
You can argue Rooney playing as a No.10 is playing in midfield. But I get your point, I think that might be where I remember that from, I think that may have been the first time its happened. But other than that there has always been a midfielder with double figures be it Yaya Toure, Scholes, Lampard, Giggs, Ronaldo, Pires, Fabregas or any other.
02 Jul 2015 01:51:52
With the Man United site running articles like 'surprise transfers' and 'squad taking shape' and that Giggs interview and what not, I think we're definitely going for big fishes and will bring them to shore all at once and hit those scousers and plastics hard and make them melt with absolute jealousy. Amen!
02 Jul 2015 05:47:16
can't wait ! Just want to see my scouser friend's face when we sign someone big :)
02 Jul 2015 08:10:00
Srestha,
If they are anything like my scouse acquaintences as soon as united buy a player they suddenly become overpriced and they have never seen them play. When liverpool buy a player they are a bargain and they have been watching them for years, so it never matters who we buy the idiots will never admit they are jealous.
02 Jul 2015 08:10:32
We tremble in anticipation lol
02 Jul 2015 11:50:29
GDS2!
I think that is in their blood mate . lol