Manchester United Banter Archive June 02 2013

 

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02 Jun 2013 23:36:11
Its an insult to the club and fans that rooney on 250000 a week comes back from hols over weight. And during his hols every picture takin of him he's smokin by the pool. send him packin. but if that little club in paris think e17 mil is enough they can think again. E35 or nothing. and invest the money in someone gives a s***

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One thing interests me with Rooney saga is everybodies faith in Kagawa to replace him. Kagawa started the season quite well and ended it quite well with injuries, bein gout of position and an underwhelming mixed bag inbetween. I like him and he has obvious technical ability and needs time to settle in the premiership. However love Rooney or loather him as many obviously do, there is no guarantee Kagawa will step up and make the role his own next season and I would certainly have my doubts he can become half the player Rooney has in the past been for us, let's not forget that! Do we have any other options to play in the hole: Januzaj? Otherwise I only see RVP as the other option playing behind a Hernandez of Welbeck. If Rooney does go I do feel we woul dneed to invest in a promising youngster as competition for Kagawa.
Invisible STuey

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So you think rooney is crap but when psg offer£17m, you say he's worth £35m!
I think we'll be stupid to sell him. Did u watch England v Brazil by any chance?

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Well if there is any truth to the story and we were offered 17 million, that should tell us what other teams think of him and he is not what some people around here make him out to be.

I know his salary has a lot to do with it, but when you hear RM is potentially putting a 70 million pound on bale in, it does give you some perspective how overrated Rooney is.

I would take 30 million and show him the door as long as we buy players with the money. He is not great and declining and anyone who buys him I say again will be disappointed with what they will get in return given his wages. If he stays get ready for a very disappointing season from him and the last bastion of his loyal supporters will be calling for his head LOL.

Shahram

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Shahram

Or may be the huge army of Rooney haters would be helped to a large serving of humble pie ;) LOL

Deeps.

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Deeps, like they did the first time he asked to leave. scored 30 odd goals that year and they suddenly changed their views.

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Maybe not Deeps, I genuinely think he is gone.

Shahram

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Sharham
That's the thing no one on here really knows (apart from syd of course)
You can make an argument for both sides decline or dip in form.
The club will know tho, they will no exactly where his fitness is and the rest of us will find out next season.

Personally I don't get the obsession with slagging him off.
He was playing up front on his own against Brazil away in a depleted England team, he spent most of the first 45 minutes as the only England player in the Brazil half.
Was involved in both goals and still gets slagged off, I'm really not sure what people where expecting.
I honestly think if it had been rvp people would of been posting what a good game he had and how he had made the difference.
And also why is Rvp playing for England.
But the sites for everyone and everyone's opinion is valid
Jred

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Yeah Locky, we all changed our views once he started scoring goals.

Boll00ks! You might be that fickle, but I was, and still am, disgusted at the way he behaved that time.

30 goals means sweet FA to me. The only difference it made, was that I saw he was attempting to make up for his crass mistake, so I laid off the individual abuse when he had the red shirt on.

I can assure you, my views on him were 'not suddenly changed'.

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02 Jun 2013 23:24:29
Edds. A lot of Strootman post this evening any news? {Ed004's Note - None}

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02 Jun 2013 22:56:51
Hi I'm a sunderland fan and JESMOND GE0RDI3 said said newcastle are a bigger club than you I know there deluded as the great sir Alex ferguson said "there just a wee club" good luck for the coming season

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He did, he said the only thing you's have on them is trophys but they have a bigger fan base and all your fans are from Asia anyway, and if they manage to finally win a trophy they will dominate football from then on because they are in the top 5 clubs of world football haha! Even other Newcastle fans can't believe the stuff he's cumin out with, I mean everyone knows Newcastle fans are deluded but as big or bigger than yous lot? don't think so!
Good luck with Moyes, hope he does well for you's - Sunderland fan

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Who cares what some bloke says. He only doing it for the banter. You have some cheek slating Newcastle when your wishlist includes Canvani, Ledwanski and Villa. Who are Sunderland again?

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Why do we care what Sunderland or Newcastle think. Sunderland are just our cast off club for getting rid of our old players. We only look up not down. {Ed004's Note - I am assume you are a Newcastle fan as you have never posted on this page before, your only two posts are slating newcastle and not many Manchester United fans would show support for Sunderland after they cheered for City last game of the season}

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You assume wrong Ed. I am always on this site just not from this location. Like I say why do we care.

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02 Jun 2013 22:33:05
A bit of motd fever but Paulinho looks very good! Good passing and great work rate! Looks like the type of central midfield we need!

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Always liked him when seen Brazil play last couple of years, big strong, intelligent and plays the game simply yet technically very good. Certainly a good player internationally.
Invisible STuey

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02 Jun 2013 22:04:01
Might be slightly MOTD fever but who thought that Bernard the substitute who came on for Brazil looked really good? Sharp and skill full when on the ball. I know he's only 21 years of age and Dortmund are said to be interested just wondered are there any interest if other clubs? Thanks.

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Well he is great for Manchester United on FM2013 :)

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02 Jun 2013 22:02:06
Thoughts on a few players people are constantly saying we are after or they want us to sign;

Wanyama - Not good enough for Manchester United. Few good performances in big games for Celtic but that's it. Struggles for consistency and is just not up to United standard. I even seen someone say he will have a better career than Pogba, which is just plain bitterness towards Pogba.

Di Maria - What is it with people pandering for him to join us? He is ridiculously overrated on this site and is no better than Nani. Inconsistent, a drama queen and all one footed.

Strootman - Excellent player and just what we need in midfield. A real all-rounder. Hope we sign him.

Bale - Would love it but can't see it happening.

Ronaldo - Same as Bale.

Reus - Dortmund won't sell another of their star players in this window. Perhaps somewhere down the line we could see him at United.

Baines - Great player and would improve our team. Age is a bit of an issue with Everton likely to also ask for £15m plus. Would rather young Luke Shaw.

GRD

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Bale would be awesome in your team

Sunderland fan

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Grd. Agreed on all. Especially di maria. Completely over rated. Add to that, some papers are saying we will swap hernandez with benzema! Hope that never happens.
Nomidfield

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So hold on, let me get this right. An Argentinian and French international (both pretty decent teams), who are both Real Madrid stars, are not deemed good enough to be signed for United.

It sort of has me asking, just which established players you do want us to go in for if those two don't count as good enough.

Realistic answers only please.

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02 Jun 2013 21:52:28
Lots of debate about the ambitions of the club and how it is reflected in the transfer market.

My own view is that Utd aren't aggressive enough in getting the players we need. We should be throwing around some financial muscle and start making clubs offers they can't refuse.

We all know about the need to strengthen midfield. We probably all agree for example that Fabragas, Vidal, Khadiera and Gungadan would be excellent signings so why not offer their clubs £30 - £40 mill for them.

Of course it depends on whether the player wants to move, but first we need to get the attention of their clubs if we are to stand any chance.

The points been made elsewhere on this site that Utd have invested a bit too much in potential and don't have enough of the finished article. There's only so many top midfielders around and they don't come cheap. Bayern have the right idea and we should also be spending £40 mill on our own Martinez.

We are Manchester Utd but in the transfer market we act like a shy boy at the school disco who's afraid to ask the prettiest girls for a dance.

Andrew B

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Careful now. Youll get some posters saying this is not fifa bla bla.
You are spot on. We are always trying to get players on the cheap. Bayern get martinez and gotze, real after bale and suarez, psg and monaco buying the lot, and we can't even get clubs to talk to us.
I think clubs know that united no longer pay top dollar and are not interested. Slippery slope.
we will buy Strootman and a second rate winger and that will be it.

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02 Jun 2013 21:42:54
Decent goal from Rooney may have put £5m on his transfer value!

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02 Jun 2013 21:41:34
All u rooney haters shld shut up. class is permanent

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Deflection

Brendan81

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Darren Ambrose scored a screamer for Palace against us. Just saying.

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Ashley young scored a screamer for England too recently, let's give him a new contract and 200k wages I say.

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Rooney is the best player on our squad {Ed004's Note - On current form I would take De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Carrick and RVP ahead of him}

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02 Jun 2013 21:40:28
any one watching England what a goal from rooney

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Deflection, wouldn't have gone in otherwise.

Brendan81

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02 Jun 2013 20:27:51
Watching englands usually boring but watching the billboards about 20mins in said "desperate to get away like wayne. Teletext holidays. co. uk" youve got to laugh
Re dev

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02 Jun 2013 19:44:58
As its the close season, can anyone help me answer these questions?

1. How on Earth did Roy Hodgson become England Manager? Is he really the best we can do?

2. Is it just me who switches the radio off every time the world's biggest ego that is Robbie Savage comes on? He seems to be every where and he doesn't have a clue.

3. If FFP is coming in, how can Moncaco / Madrid / PSG / Monaco et al continue to spend so much money?

4. How does Sepp Blatter keep getting away with being such a crass oaf?

5. I know I've banged on about this one before, but can someone explain how we came to spend so much on Bebe?

6. Was Rooney's hair transplant worth the money?

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02 Jun 2013 20:42:44
Walcott is p1ss poor. Awful player.

Sydney!

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I was literally going to say the same thing, he makes Rooney's touch look good.

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I never rated him, hate they way the media portrays him and they way he wanted to leave arsenal as if he was as important as rvp or fabregas. Looks like he's playing the wrong sport can't dribble with the ball at his feet, can't cross. The term overrated has never been more correctly used.

Sulei

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Your having a laugh surely.

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Not heard that in a while p1ss poor, where you from syd.

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Great game playedby Phil Jones. kept that gob sh*** nayma quiet. well played lad.

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Although he has improved the has improved the last season Walcott for me has always been an olympic sprinter in football boots. His decision making, passing and skill on the ball is average at best. His pace still makes him a danger and to be fair he did have a really bad game and isn't THAT bad but take away his pace and there is little left
Invisible STuey

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02 Jun 2013 20:11:42
I find it interesting that suddenly posters who have hardly been around for some time are on here far far more than at any time for months trying to persuade everyone that ambition is buying anyone outside the top players like Bale and Ronaldo. In other words ones that don't cost too much. They tell us that Ronaldo Bale etc are only available to sugar daddy clubs and we should all stop dreaming in this window. Maybe it is "realistic" maybe I should stop believing that we can win in Europe again, maybe I should stop believing that the aim of he club is to win the top trophies not just be the most commercially successful.

There is one simple irrefutable point for me, one that our owners and our suddenly active posters need to understand, if Ronaldo becomes available and they stand back and let him join Chelsea then I will look at every penny they took from the share issue, every cent from his £80m transfer fee and feel that we are no longer the big club we all want to believe we are because the money isn't there to keep the team at the highest standard but to service debt, to satisfy bankers. If they cared one bit for our club and its future they would not allow us to fall behind our competitors and if needed they would put their own money into the club to bring such a player to our team. I will not and I would urge you all not to be brow beaten into accepting the lesser options

Red Man

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Ronaldo is not available Red Man.

Bale is not an option for MU.

You are being unrealistic to say the least.

Sydney!

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Wayne Rooney was the best young player I have ever seen, when we bought him imo he was the best young player in the world.
Would we try to sign the next wayne rooney
People's opinion.

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Great post my thoughts too worried that we are falling behind too many players bought that have not come up to standard the the team needs

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02 Jun 2013 21:46:12
You are a classic case of victims of your own success, purchased by people interested only in the making of money and Americans are so good at that.

They have no love for your club as football fans just this big commercial juggernaut with millions, serious millions of fans willing to buy the brand that is United. Sponsors who are willing to pay obscene amounts of money to be linked to that brand.

There is no need to make massive investment to keep the dollars rolling in to their coffers because your brand will continue to make money for years until they consider whether to cash in or stump up.

Good luck

Marcellus Wallace

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I completely agree. I am worried that if we sell Rooney, who yes has been very poor but still shows glimpses of his former world class self. We won't buy a replacement and settle for someone much lesser quality.

We need to keep aiming for the big players or we will end up like Liverpool. And nobody wants that! So let's see how this summer turns out and if we do get the likes of either Lewandowski, Di Maria, Bale or Ronaldo we know the club is in safe hands. But if we end up with someone like Gaitan who looked promising but has been poor I will be worried with the ambitions of the club.

It won't happen, but for a club as big as Manchester United we should be trying to sign the likes of Bale or resigning Ronaldo or as I have said we will end up like Liverpool.

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02 Jun 2013 22:39:25
God don't you moan. Like a stuck record. So according to that little rant then the only players we should sign is Bale or Ronaldo and anyone other than those is a lack of ambition. So is Bale really worth 60 million? Is Ronaldo really worth 80 million and 500k a week? I agree with Redfaith, the only clubs likely to pay that money for Ronaldo are the clubs run by lunatics with oil money playing real life football manager. Yes Ronaldo is a great player. Be great to have him back. But for that money we could sign a left back, two midfielders and maybe a forward. What would you rather have? One great player or four good ones? I know what i'd pick. MrE

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I can only presume I fall into this category?. I would love Ronnie back, but feel its not going to happen. And I feel the money required to get Bale is more than united would be willing to pay. If united did pay it, I for 1 wouldn't complain! I just find it unrealistic. I think Ronaldo is more likely than Bale.
But just for the sake of total hypocrisy I would love Vidal, Veratti or Ozil here. All of which are probably even LESS likely! :)

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Brow beaten?

So what are you going to do red man? You along with nobody else on this website have any say in who we buy, but we can have a look at who we probably will buy and be realistic about it. Which players did we play 80 million for before we won the champions league in 99 and 08? We have always worked within our means and will continue to do so, buying top quality players that we can afford.

You keep beating the same drum mate and you must see its getting a bit boring now?

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Gds
But in 1998 I think we spent 110% of revenue
we bought yorke, Stam and blomqvist for 28 mill.
That year we won the treble.
The net spend that year was 26 mill.
Even though prices are going up that was a bigger net spend than in
2010/2011
2009/2010
2007/2008
2006/2007
In fact every year after that.
In short the one time we spent above our means we won the treble.

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Red Man - during our years of success, in the 90s and 2000s especially, how many players of Ronaldo's or Messi's standing did we ever entice to Manchester?

Our teams have always had a good quality British/Irish spine, but where were the Ronaldinho's, the fat Ronaldo's, the Mattheus's, the Zidane's, the Maldini's, the Figo's, the Van Basten's, the Rivaldo's, the Baggio's etc etc etc

Were you accusing the club of a lack of ambition back then?

We had to make do with the Schmeichel's, the Van Nistelrooy's, the Kanchelskis's, the Ronny Johnsen's, the Yorke's, the Cole's etc etc etc

All top players, but hardly in the very top echelons of world football when we brought them to Utd - but we did all right didn't we?

You make it sound like a relatively new thing, this supposed lack of ambition in the transfer market.

Yet, apart from the big spending on proven British and Irish stars over the years, who we have always been able to, and always will be able to attract - where was the big spending on the absolute elite of world football?

And yet we had unparalleled success, with football that was the envy of all.

We are Man Utd, and we do things a certain way in the transfer market.

Don't make it sound like the club or it's fans have all of a sudden got no ambition, just because we accept economic and lifestyle realities.

We had no serious economic rivals back in the 90s, apart from the Spanish giants, yet we still couldn't or wouldn't, get any of the above stars.

Now we have all the new money flying around, things get even more difficult.

But instead of gurning about it over and over again, I'm prepared to trust the club to keep buying players that will continue to bring us consistent success, and leave the likes of Madrid and City to tear themselves apart trying to mould a team of expensive individuals with huge egos, into a proper team.

It might not be sexy, but it hasn't worked too badly for us over the years.

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Im with you red man. Not a lot we can do about it I know.
But at the end of the day, we are a football club, and while we accept the owners have to make money, they have a responsibility to the fans to ensure the club remains successful domestically and in europe.
I'm not sure this is how they see it though.
Nomidfield

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Jred, sorry to correct you again, but are you saying MU annual turnover in 1999 was around £25m?

Spending £26m net back then was still living within our means. United's revenues were nearing £100m for the first time ever and we had a lot of funds for transfers.

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Haha yer had a few last night not sure where I got that from.
Not to proud to say I was wrong;)
Jred

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We paid a lot of money for rio, veron and rooney. we paid £30mill for rio 11 years ago in todays market and factoring in 11 years of growth and inflation how much would that be in todays terms? a lot of money 45-50mil? so don't say we never spend excessive amounts before. £28 mill for veron 12 years ago in todays terms again would be 40+ mill. 11 years ago there couldn't of been many players worldwide we couldn't of bought for them values, utd spent big if they wanted a player unlike now. unfortunately that won't happen anymore so we are just going to have to live with it.
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Would have to agree with that pal
Jred

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Jred, I had a few last night too, even got the missus to have a few. Must be the sunshine that's chilling her out :)

Sydney!

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John, Rio equates to around £38m nowadays, but I still get your point. I think back then our squad was complete and the manager could go out and buy a luxury player. Nowadays squads are much bigger and luxury signings are rare as there is always room to improve a larger squad. I do see us spending £30m plus on players in the future, we spent that on Berbatov. I think if we needed just one player last summer we could have spent more on that particular player. Problem is SAF wanted about five new players and they cannot all be costly signings. I don't see us ever spending £60m-£80m on players and rightly so.

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I don't think Ferdinand was a luxury signing we needed a cb after selling Stam and letting Johnson and blanc go.
We went out and bought one of the very best in the world for a record fee.
I though it made quite a statement especially as the year before we had just bought Veron, forlan and rvp.
Berb was a luxury imo as we didn't really need him I just think fergy really wanted him
Jred

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Jred, luxury was probably the wrong description, what I meant is the manager had a squad that he was happy with so he was able to spend his whole transfer kitty on one top player. Berbatov was a luxury signing agreed, and that is a signing that has probably not helped things since. SAF got his fingers burnt then for sure.

Sydney!

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It's amazing to think in that 4 year period we bought.
Veron who was considered to be one of the best cm in the world.
Rvn who was looking like the next big thing.
Ferdinand who was one of the best cb in the world.
And Rooney who was the best young player in the world.
Real quality.
As well as forlan, Howard, saha, heinze, ronaldo to name a few
Jred

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John and Jred, I said we've never had a problem attracting the best British and Irish players like Keane, Rio and Rooney, and have paid what we've had to for them. I think they represent less of a gamble to the club, with their ready-made Premiership experience.

But apart from Veron, who was really considered a world class talent out of all the names mentioned above - RVN? potential yes, but that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm trying to highlight we very rarely buy established, top-class players from around the world - it's hardly a new phenomenon.

Red Man and the like seem to think, if Barca and RM are not wetting themselves over a player, then he can't be all that. RVN was hardly at the top of their list.

Was Heinze, Ronaldo, Forlan?

Yes we could have bought top-class players, as you say John, there can't have been many worldwide players we couldn't get for the money we spent on Veron.

But the reasons we couldn't or didn't still hold true today - Manchester hasn't got any sunnier despite global warming, and we still don't let agents and other clubs take the p1ss when it comes to personal terms.

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02 Jun 2013 19:34:19
Would like to see us sign Reus, Strootman, Thiago and baines but sadly I on;y see two of the 4 coming off and Reus is probably 99% not joining.

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I only see 1

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02 Jun 2013 19:11:25
Manchester United rejected a bid for Wayne Rooney last night and now the French media are reporting the same this morning. According to sources, Chelsea will also make a bid within 14 days once José Mourinho is confirmed as manager. Its believedRooney wants to stay in English football so this could be used as a advantage point for Chelsea once the bid is submitted.

Andyp MUFC

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We won't sell one of our best players to a rival prem team.

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Andy he will ot be sold to another English club so forget Chelsea or Arsenal it will not happen
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02 Jun 2013 18:59:09
@Dylan saw your post about Strootman down the page.

Why aren't some big clubs interested in him?
Because they already have players for that role!

Chelsea - Ramires, Mikel.
City - Yaya, Milner, Barry
PSG - Verrati
Real Madrid - Khedira

Why are we interested in him? He is a very versatile player, does all that Shappy said and I would like to add something more, is equally comfortable in a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-3-1 which is something a United midfielder must have since we switch between those two formations according to the opposition.

REDFAITH

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02 Jun 2013 19:17:29
Redfaith, me and Shappy said the same yesterday. I might as well have said it to the potted plant on my desk.

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So Chelsea don't want him because they have mikel and city don't want him because they have milner and Barry says it all reakky

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AC Milan are very interested in Strootman. Chelsea also have Essien in their ranks. They are interested in Khedira too. City also have Garcia & Rodwell and want De Rossi. Real Madrid have Essien (loan), Khedira & Alonso that can get stuck-in. I think Strootman would be an excellent buy. He will soon become a Witsel where he is cheap, be at a club for 12 months and his value will skyrocket.

Sydney!

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Just because we are the only top team after him doesn't mean he is bad.

Why didn't madrid or barcelona go after hazard?

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So your telling me that Manchester United are interested in a player who they believe is not an improvement on
Ramires
Mikel
Milner
Barry
Khedira
Do you honestly think that Strootman if he's as good as you all believe would not remove the above list will be an asset to us?
Sir Alex use to talk about value in the market do you understand what he meant by that?
I'm 100% convinced he won't be at OT next season
Dylan

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They have Messi andvRonaldo at the time a player like Hazard wasnt a priority
Dylan

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Sydney Chealsea have Essien!
City have Garcia and Rodwell
Strootman will soon become a Wiesel
Need I sat anymore own this point let's move on.
Where on different planets yours is Fifa
Mine is closer to planet Fergie
Dylan

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Moan if clubs go after the players we want, but please don't moan when they don't go after them!

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02 Jun 2013 22:52:10
Dylan your deliberately being thick. Fifteen million for Strootman is perfect value for money. He's captained Holland. You know the team that wears orange, has lots of top class players. You totally messed up the Hazard example. The reason barca and madrid didn't need hazard was they have messi and ronaldo. Exactly the same reason none of those clubs are in for strootman. They already have good midfielders so don't need strootman. He isn't flash enough for Chelsea or City. Munich, Madrid and barca have packed midfields and no room. We do need him and have room. I can't get how you can't get this point when four people have spelled it out to you.

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If Modric
Gundongen
Thiago became available I guarantee We would face stiff competition from
City
Chealsea
They would improve each squad
Strootman would not
I repeat L, pool lost Alonso Mascharano and bought for buying sake and ended up with clutter
Dylan

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02 Jun 2013 18:58:49
@Jred (read one of your posts down the page)

The problem with our signings has been that the likes of Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves, Berbatov didn't work out for one reason or another. That is around 100mil worth of players right there.

The problem hasn't been spending money, it has been that the ones we have spent on didn't quite hit the heights we had hoped.

Also, I understand Red Man's point too that we need quality players, but surely you agree that Ronaldo will go to a sugar daddy bankrolled club and club's like us and Bayern will stay away, Fabregas from Arsenal and Torres from Liverpool were 0% chance of signing for us and that not going for these deals isn't a sign of no ambition?

I mean if we spend a similar amount this summer to what we have done last year it will be over 150mil we have spent in the last 3 years, I don't know what more ambition is required.

Too much is being said about how Bayern are buying in the market without looking at the fact that the likes of Gomez, Ribery, Robben will all likely leave and they are merely changing their style of play with the players they are buying and not adding to what they have.

REDFAITH

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Redfaith
I've bigged up Munich for a couple of year now, I like the way they are run as club and I like the way they have gone about there business. They have bought quality there last 3 signings have been neuer, Martinez and goetze and the ed says they have up to 200 mill to spend.
They had a very good midfield and went out and payed 30mil plus for Martinez.
They had a good attack and went out and got gotze.
They had a good coach and went out and got guardiola.
I admire that kind of ambition.

I agree about about ronaldo etc

100 mill over the last 2 seasons is good but don't forget we got 25 mill back from player sales
but the 3 seasons before that weren't that good for a team of United's stature
83 mill spent 100 mill recived from player sales and for me is prob why we have dropped away from the very best in europe.
I can see both sides of the argument and you are prob both right.
My issue has been I think we spent to much on potential and not enough on the finished article I don't think we have got the balance right.
Which is why I feel we have improved the squad and not really the first 11, but that's just my opinion I'm sure many will disagree.

I think a team off United's stature with ambitions off being the best team in Europe could of done better in the market over that last few year.
I think we have been linked and missed out on better players than we have bought.
I want to point out I don't think we have been awful in the market or are run on a shoe string, I just think we could of done better

Ps syd the figures are an estimate
Jred

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"100 mill over the last 2 seasons is good but don't forget we got 25 mill back from player sales"

It's £100m (net), not gross Jred. That would be £75m net.

Sydney!

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Syd
firstly like I said the figures are an estimate but I think we bought
Powell for 6 mill
Kags 12
Rvp 22
henrique 4
Buttner 4
Jones 17
Ddg 19
Young 17
All rounded up but comes to 100mill ish
We sold a number of players for about 25 ish.
But like I say all the numbers are approximate and aren't really that valid to the point I was trying to make about quality.
Love the fact that even though I said fir your benefit that the numbers where an estimate you still had to post

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Jred, no, what you said was we have spent £75m net, when we have spent £100m net.

Truth is we have spent around £125m gross and received £25mish for players, making it around £100m net.

The £100m figure is NOT gross, it's net. Net is gross expenditure minus player sales.

Sydney!

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Syd
I said the figures are an estimate, I also said there not that important to point I'm making.

Just out of interest do you actual know 100% what we have spent over the last couple of years, what the breakdown of the deals are how they were paid, how long they are spread over agent fees, tax etc.
Even how much we actually paid for a player or are you just going of what you read in the paper.
Jred

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Syd
To make it simple I estimated just for a bit of banter we bought players for about 100 mill.
This was only a guess I don't know how much we actual paid for the individual players or how the deals were structured in regards to bonuses etc I'm just going of what I read in the papers or on a website.
I done the same with players sales it came to 25 mill.
As I said it was just an estimate during a bit of banter with redfaith and not that important.

Know doubt your figures are 100% accurate,
You must be a barrel of laughts when talking football with lads over a pint.
Jred

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Jred, the net expenditure is in the financial reports for everyone to see. The reports are released quarterly. It doesn't show individual player's fees/signing on/agent fees etc, but what the club have spent that financial year in net player expenditure.

Banter or not you use the correct figures. You don't have a laugh with your mates down the pub saying United have won the English first division 16 times, you say we have won it 20 times because we have won it 20 times.

Saying we have spent £100m "but don't forget we got back £25m in sales" is saying the net spend is just £75m. That is inaccurate. The net spend for the past two season's is £100m give or take a couple million.

When discussing player's cost the player's transfer fee is just one part of his total cost. His actual cost will be higher. So that is why it seems more in the MU accounts than what the papers are saying. The papers rarely include other costs which the club have to pay.

So when you are down the pub or on this page saying Ashley Young cost £16m, then that's fine, but if you are on a site trying to discredit MU by using incorrect figures, then you will be corrected. Fact remains we have spent well over the past two seasons.

If a mate down the pub asks you how much your holiday to Cyprus cost, do you tell him the full amount? Flights, accommodation, spending money, insurance, airport transfers, baggage fees, etc etc?

The holiday brochure may say £500pp, but in truth it costs more when you consider the other costs.

Sydney!

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Syd
Read my post I said our spend over the last 2 year has been good.
Our transfer activity over the last 20 year has been good.
I just think it could of been better

The rest of your post just sounded like the pub bore going on and on when your trying to have a crack so I stopped reading, sorry pal
Like I have said the figures were an estimate and not that important to point I was trying to make to redfaith.
A point you seem to off missed.
In short.
I think Munich are a well run club
I think our transfer activity over the last 2 year has been good, but the previous 3 year wasn't as good
I think we may of concentrated on buying potential rather than finished article which may explain why the squad has got better but maybe not the first 11 over the last few year.
And finally I can see and understand both redfaith and redmans point of view and think that in a way they are prob both right
jred

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I think we could have spent better in 2009 and again in 2010, but I think the past two seasons we have spent very well. I hope we can mirror that again this summer. In 2009 we did try hard for Benzema, in 2010 we wanted David Villa, neither came off and I do not think it is just down to reluctance to overpay, but difficulty in attracting them to Manchester over a move to Madrid and Barcelona respectively. Chelsea have buckets of cash and have also struggled this summer to attract players. I do not think it all boils down to money.

Sydney!

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Imo we messed up when we never spent big after we sold ronaldo
I've no idea what goes on behind the scenes but when I look at the players we have bought I do wonder if we have got the balance between potential and finished article right. it could be transfer policy and think fergy has said something similar but it could also be a multitude of other reasons.
Jred

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I think we needed to get Benzema when Ronaldo left. I think when missing out on Benzema we should have had a back-up option (and I don't mean Owen). It seems we put all of our eggs in one basket in regards to Benzema. After selling Ronaldo we really should have bought in a top player in addition to Valencia. Us snoozing for two summers has probably had us playing catch-up in the transfer market instead of being able to relax and add proven talent.

Sydney!

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02 Jun 2013 17:24:25
With the transfer window approaching there are a few things that have really surprised me. Firstly it's funny how Platini hasn't been harping on about financial fair play recently, which I'm sure has nothing to do with PSG and Monaco becoming extremely rich!

That's brings me to my next point. It's a sad state of affairs when players like Rodriguez, Falcao, Moutinho have moved to a team in France who have just been promoted, have no European football and have a similar attendance to League 2 clubs. Falcao and Rodriguez could have had their pick of the elite clubs in Europe so, in a sporting sense why would you choose to play for Monaco? Falcao is one of the best if not the best striker in world football, he could have gone down in history as one of the top finishers in football instead he will play in a poor league with poor attendances and TV coverage. I would guess that Utd, Real, Barca, City etc wouldn't be paying low wages. Surely trophies would be more appealing than an extra few Euroes when they retire. Valses is apparently heading that way as is Di Maria and I'm sure a few more will follow. Top class players playing for PSG was strange enough but Monaco? I can't imagine any of those players had a dream of playing on top of a car park in a city where F1 and fancy yachts is more important than football.

Mr Platini would be screaming from the roof tops if Hull suddenly had a sugar daddy signing players for silly fees left right and centre!

Big G {Ed002's Note - I cut a sentence out, and you need to avoid being so xenophobic. And as a more than twenty year resident of Monaco I can tell you they will enjoy their time there.}

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Monaco is a luxurious place to live. I do not blame any footballer from moving there. It's not like they are joining Anzhi.

Sydney!

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As a huge liverpool fan, when I was younger could not see why every player didn't want to go to anfield, same as man u in the last 20 years, but when I traveled around europe to some of the most beautiful cites, certin foreign players will take into account lifestyle. that's why barca and r madrid get the best latin players, they have it all, successful clubs, great weather and a nice lifestyle. now psg and monaco offer similar lifestyle, not the success yet.

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I think Paris is a hole, but Monaco on tother hand. lol {Ed002's Note - There is a world of difference between Paris and Monaco.}

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B O H, very good point. Perhaps you can have a word with a few on here and explain to them how hard it is for MU to attract certain players when they have the choice of Spain, Italy etc etc. Then you consider our work permit laws and the advantage other countries have with third party ownership. Add that to all the sugar daddy owned clubs and you can understand how hard it is for United to compete these days. Even harder for Liverpool too.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Sid, it is swings and roundabouts. Try not to see Manchester United as so hard done by.}

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Ed002, you are correct it is swings and roundabouts. I couldn't agree more. English clubs had more cash than the rest of Europe (especially United) so could tempt players our way, but the rest of Europe have caught up in regards to money so with their better climate and money to offer players they are a better attraction than the north of England. I am not moaning, I just see why it is harder for MU these days.

Sydney!

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Syd I see you still see yourself as the oracle of all things football and United. You seem to believe that everyone should agree with your point of view and if they don't they need someone to 'have a word' with them. I would suggest that you should try and be more tolerant of others and take a step back and maybe 'have a word' with yourself. I like a debate and some banter but your constant need to have the final say and have a little love in with the eds is a tad annoying. I'm sure respecting the opinion of your fellow United fans is an entirely new concept to you but you should give it a try, you may even realise that the title of the forum isn't 'Syds Manchester United rumours'. I would hazard a guess that this post won't be published but I would imagine that my feelings would be similar to a lot of the fans who read these pages regularly.

BIG G

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Who wouldn't want to live in Monaco, great weather, fine food, the list goes on.

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Ed I'm not sure how expressing an opinion on the level of competition in French football makes me xenophobic. My point was that the major motivating factor for most players these days is money. Monaco have just been promoted, have no European football and it will be a straight shoot out between them and PSG to see who can spend the most. The sentence you cut out was in no way xenophobic, nor did I suggest that Monaco was a poor place to live.

I must say I enjoy reading your site and have at times contributed to various debates. Today will be my last day doing so. To be accused of being intolerant of others is something I take offence at and it couldn't be further than the truth.

Big G {Ed002's Note - Your xenophobic remark was not about French football and I removed it. I am sorry you wish stop contributing.}

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I can only imagine with the amount of whining you do that Big G stands for Big Girl?

It's a pity you will no longer be visiting the age, you will be sorely missed ;)

Sydney!

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02 Jun 2013 15:56:05
Just want to give my opinion on the Wayne Rooney situation.

First of all, if he is absolutely adamant that he wants to leave I would be one of the first to say "thanks for all you've done Wayne, but goodbye" as nobody is bigger than Manchester United. Make no mistake, this guy is one of the all-time greats of our club. His contribution has been massive over the years. So no matter what happens, whether he stays or goes, in time he will be remembered as a legend in my opinion.

I do not want him to leave. I know his form this past season wasn't always great, and his relationship with Sir Alex was clearly at an all-time low. Does anyone agree that could end up being a GOOD thing? David Moyes has a chance to talk to Wayne, tell him how much he values him as part of his plans (as long as he is fit and playing well) and Wayne could accept this is the club for him, come back ready to go next season and be like a new signing for us imo.

Wayne Rooney is a world-class footballer. That is not in question unless you are clueless. BUILD THE TEAM AROUND HIM AS A SECOND STRIKER AND LET HIM DICTATE PLAY. We were all buzzing at the midway point of this season with RvP and Rooney as two "nine and a halves" so we know it works.

GRD {Ed004's Note - But the thing is he shouldn't need to be told to get into shape he is on massive wages and therefore it is his responsibility to stay in shape, he has all the professional equipment and coaching available to remain in top shape. At a young age people were saying Rooney was going to be better than Ronaldo he had that much potential the biggest difference in the two is their efforts behind the scene}

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02 Jun 2013 16:25:12
He WAS a world class player. that's the difference. He's on 180k per week plus bonuses, plays in front of 70000 fans, has the kind of gym and coaching we can dream about and turns up fat. What more does he need? Ship him out and spend the fee and wages on someone who has the hunger to win trophies not stroll around games with a shocking first touch and passing game.

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1. A player who loses his pace and acceleration very rarely gets it back.

2. His first touch has been pretty poor and inconsistent ever since WC 2010.

He is still a good player now if he puts his mind to it and remains fit but he will never get back to what he was pre 2010.

Having a player with a poor first touch, lack of pace and acceleration hurts our attacking play and we should take the best money for him and reinvest in a quality attacking midfielder who can also play on the wing.

Give the role behind the main striker to Kagawa, he is very effective there in his natural position, bring in midfielders and wingers who are used to playing quick one twos and are great on the break and we will be a much better team without Rooney.

Sadly I don't think this will happen and we will end up keeping Rooney.

REDFAITH

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What happened to the theory that Rooney didn't ask for a transfer? To which he apparently confirmed. Suggesting he is being forced to leave.?
I have to admit I'm on the fence here. I'd like Rooney to stay, as I would Anderson. I would really like to see how they would get on under the Moyes regime. A fit and confident Anderson is massively underrated, huge talent. A fit and confident Rooney speaks for himself. If however Rooney asks for an improved contract, I believe he should go. He simply would be taking the pi$$. If he's happy to extend his contract by a year on the same with a review next summer, this could benefit all.
All that being said, if a sizeable offer came in (£30mil+) and a suitable replacement was in place, I wouldn't mind either.
I guess I'm intrigued to see how Rooney would get on under Moyes.
If its true he's demanding transfers etc, then naturally he should definitely offloaded.
I think it's near impossible to guess what team will play Wigan in the community shield.

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He WAS a world class footballer and now he looks like a joke. He the highest paid player on our books and moans when he's not playing, well Wayne if you was playing well you wouldn't be sub/sub off. I do believe we should cut our loses with him and let him go. He won't get any better than he WAS

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I cannot see how WR would have any respect for Moyes. It is a disaster waiting to happen.

Sydney!

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GRD

The phrase world class is used far too freely. Rooney is not world class and I would question whether he ever has been. He was a very good player who had glimpses of brilliance but that doesn't make him world class. If he is as good as you say, where is the queue of clubs trying to sign him? And, disagreeing with you does not make someone clueless.

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He is a top, world class player

we will surely miss him if he leaves

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AJH, I have always believed Rooney was hardworking and on the brink of becoming WC. However in 2009/10 I think he became WC and he was unplayable until his ankle injury against Bayern. Since then he hasn't been the same player, still a very good goalscorer and still worked hard. That dip has been getting worse over the past few years. It's been so long now since he's been at his best that it's obvious that this is a decline, not just a loss of form and fitness.

I would love to sell Rooney for £30m this summer and buy the 18 year old Rooney again.

Sydney!

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Which of his performances were world class this year? I'd suggest none, he was uninterested, unfit, poor first touch yet still paid £250,000 per week!
People on ordinary wages would die for the chances and rewards he's had, he's let himself, the club and the fans down I'm afraid.

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02 Jun 2013 15:17:05
Why weren't beckham or keane considered for the legends game?

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You would think Keane was in Rio covering the England game. Would have loved to see Becks though!

Ste.

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Yeah true, would liked to have seen Nev but he'd be with england too.

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02 Jun 2013 14:58:29
A while back we had an interest in Joel from Atletico. Given that we may sell Amos and Lindegaard, could Joel be a possibility? Or someone like Alex McCarthy?

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Wouldn't he want a no. 1 jersey, first team football. ?

From what I've seen of him though, he is a pretty competent keeper for his age. Made some excellent stops in the FA cup final for instance. Definitely wouldn't say no, if he was willing to be behind De Gea.

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02 Jun 2013 14:14:41
Some interesting suggestions for relegation. I certainly can see Palace and Hull being in trouble from lack of money. Norwich if they don't get a goalscorer. Fulham due to a lack of quality. Sunderland could be possibility. I think Stoke will be ok again need a goal scorer. I don't think Villa will be anywhere near the bottom this year.

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Norwich have Wolfswinkel.

Nat

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Norwich have got Van Wolfswinkel, who IMO on his day is a good player, scored 15 goals in 30 starts this season but I think he's suited to the BPL and could of gone to a better team than Norwich but I like to see Norwich do well as I have close friends and some family who support them, as long as we beat them I don't mind ;)
-Tommy!

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Sunderland definitely won't
Under Di Canio they will do well, and they're also looking at top signings
Think they could get 10th

I think
Newcastle or Villa
Norwich
Hull

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Ahaha wishful thinking from the Sunderland fan above!

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02 Jun 2013 16:13:16
ok didn't know norwich had signed him. Sunderland I think need a lot of work. Think top ten is beyond them. Also Villa won't struggle this season. In March and April you could see they were starting to gel and they'll be better for the experience. Also with a lot of deadwood off the wage bill they could be the surprise package.

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Unfortunately Villa will struggle mate. They are going to lose Benteke to North London. I think they'll be around the 14/15/16th mark.
Shame, as I have soft spot for them. And really like Lambert too.

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02 Jun 2013 17:45:50
Patzi benteke is going nowhere this summer. He's said he's staying this year. He might go next year if villa still struggle or they get an insane offer but he's not going this year.

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I'm not a Sunderland fan
But with Di Canio kicking out half the team and the owner willing to buy big players, don't see them to struggle

This season they've done bad, just like Newcastle, but the past few seasons they've been 9th, 13th and 11th

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02 Jun 2013 13:54:09
1. What players do you want us to sign?
Yarmolenko, strootman, Pedro, Wanyama, Thiago & neil taylor
2. Who do you think we'll sign?
Thiago, Fellaini, Strootman, Di Maria

3. Who do you think will leave?
Anderson, Nani, Rooney, Petrucci, Fabio
4. Where do you think we'll finish in the league?
2nd (Behind Chelsea)
5. What do you think the derby scores will be? City!
(H) 4-0 (A) 3-2
6. Who do you think will be relegated from the prem?
Norwich, Hull & Sunderland

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02 Jun 2013 14:22:00
i'm glad your not manager. Pedro, neil taylor, yarmolenko and wanyama. Talk about average.

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1. What players do you want us to sign?

Gundogan, Lewandowski, Bale, Ronaldo, Fabregas

2. Who do you think we'll sign?

Strootman, Zouma, Di Maria, Baines, slight chance of Fabregas or Bale

3. Who do you think will leave?

Nani, Evra, Rooney, possibly Young, possibly Anderson (if there's a buyer)

4. Where do you think we'll finish in the league?

1st

5. What do you think the derby scores will be? City!

(H) 3-2 (A) 2-3

6. Who do you think will be relegated from the prem?

Palace, Cardiff, Norwich {Ed004's Note - Zouma looks likely to go to either Anzi or Zenit not sure which one Ed 2 said}

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I don't see why people think Petrucci will be sold.

Sydney!

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02 Jun 2013 15:05:44
Syd he's far too injury prone. He see's grass and is injured for three weeks. They don't call him glass legs at carrington for nothing.

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Don't see why you think Sunderland will get relegated
Under Di Canio I think they'll look for 10th or 11th

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No name 1 - Yarmolenko is already better than Bale and is Imo the closest thing to Ronaldo in terms of playing style.

Pedro is currently Spains top scorer in qualifying having netted 9 in 7 I believe. Not to mention having his best ever season for Barcelona. he makes Reus look like Young based on this years showing.

personally I Think Wanyama offers a lot, hr plays CB, DM, B2B and in a more advanced role. He's 21 and will go onto be a terrific player. And personally I believe he'll have a better career than Pogba.

just curious, do you watch anymore football than MoTD?

no name 2-

they're losing Mignolet, Rose isn't likely to sign permanently and they don't look like attracting decent players. Plus bar the NewCastle game they've been pretty awful.

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No name-athon going here guys. I presume 'twas moon who posted. I would luv Pedro!

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02 Jun 2013 13:25:16
I went on the Newcastle site to see if there was anything about cabaye coming to us
And they are a bunch of persons, they are comparing themselves to us saying they are just a big a club as us, excluding the countless more trophies we've won. They say they can win the league next season if they get a few descent players, but as Sir Alex Ferguson says "they're just a wee club"

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Don't listen to the posts on the Newcastle page particularly. I'm a Newcastle fan and most on there are fine, just a few are particularly deluded/Sunderland fans in disguise

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Jesmond geordie

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Yeah, Considering his name is JESMOND GEORDIE
doubt that's a Sunderland fan

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02 Jun 2013 13:22:08
Are we still interested in Cabaye

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I don't think so.

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Were we ever in for Cabaye?

Sydney!

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What does everyone see in Cabaye?

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Gagus, I find myself ask this same question. He doesn't exactly light the EPL now does he. I'd b gutted if we spent £20mil on him. As I would Gaitan. As I was when we signed Young. These are Average to good players.

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02 Jun 2013 12:17:16
Bearing in mind the Premier League climb down on the Mourinho Story of him going to Chelsea. And subsequent Internet pages removed.

I've had a tenner on this scenario happening, and The Special One going to CITEAH, and Pelligrini to Chelsea.

Hope so. loads of money involved because of a roll up of other bets

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Well your out of money, because the Mardid president has just confirmed he's going Chelsea.

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Jose is going to Chelsea.

He loves Chelsea AND the £10m a season he will be getting ;)

Sydney!

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02 Jun 2013 13:07:05
i think your timing was ever so slightly off there

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02 Jun 2013 12:09:23
bale really is a dieing breed of player. I've noticed how recently there's not many out an out wingers who are out there now. there all like ozil, isco, goetze, silva, mata, hazard who can be played outwide but they don't really try and take players on much. there's only 3 proper world class wingers out there and I believe they are ronaldo, reus, bale {Ed004's Note - I would love Bale this year and then move for Reus next year both playing either side of Kagawa and providing support for RVP up top}

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Hey Ed,

I would say if we get Bale, Reus and Strootman that will be enough for the summer IMO.
Even though if it means offloading someone like Nani, rooney, Anderson.
With the midfield of Strootman Carrick, Bale Kagawa Reus, RVP on Top. I m sure we will bang lot many goals if that happens.

The game is ON.

Chintatatah. ! {Ed004's Note - Yes it would be an excellent summer though I don't think Reus will move this season}

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Hazard takes players on he's also a better dribbler than Bale. When Spurs played Chelsea Hazard was running rings around Spurs players.
DHK

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The report I heard was that Madrid are talking about spending upto £85 million on Bale. It was on a web site but even so.

I don't think we'll match that. Unless he's a secret MUFC fanatic he's not coming to OT.

Andrew B

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02 Jun 2013 11:17:28
Shappy, thanks for the reply, you do put some graft in on this site. I appreciate its all speculation but where has it all come from. Many people on here say strootman is almost a certainty, why? Where are people getting this from? Same goes for di maria?

deano red {Ed004's Note - Ed 2 has said for a long time Strootman will either be coming here or Milan and his money would be on here. Also Di Maria has been in talks with United according to Spanish reports and Ed 2 again told us about contact before it was in the media}

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Shappy and Mort I can't wait for Thursday night I'm going to see the new Brian Robson rip the u21 tournament apart!
Dylan

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02 Jun 2013 13:50:50
Sigh. Nobody even mentioned Robson. Your going to expect too much then come on here moaning he isn't what you expected.

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I think he was being sarcastic

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02 Jun 2013 11:06:15
According to the 'Dayly Mirr', new Manchester United manager David Moyes will have a £60m transfer budget to spend on players in the summer. This could increase to £80m if Nani joins big-spending Monaco in a £20million deal.
Who would you get if true? {Ed004's Note - Well I would sell Evra and Anderson as well as possibly Young and Rooney. So if only the first two sold then Baines, Strootman, Thiago and Di Maria. If we could sell the other two make a move for Bale/Ronaldo/Reus as well but if we couldn't get any of them Lewanowski and another quality winger such as Sanchez}

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I have just written a similar post Patzi, not sure if the info is accurate, but would be chuffed if it was. £60m plus the proceeds from Anderson, Nani, Lindegaard, Fabio, Kiko, Bebe, Wootton, possibly Rooney & Evra? There would be a fair whack to spend and build on an already good balanced squad. Not sure Nani would raise £20m mind.

Sydney!

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Dream on bains & fellaini i'm not looking beyond them 2

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02 Jun 2013 10:44:42
For Fresh, why would Levy be dead against selling Bale to a rival? The man likes money, a bid of £60mil would get Bale IMO, no matter who bids. I don't think he's not worth it and we would never bid that. Another case of standing out in an average team. For example, who would you prefer, Bale or Hazard, Ozil, Silva, Iniesta, Veratti, Vidal: I could go on. These would all be available for this money, you could probo buy 2 of them!
I would much rather Real Madrid came for him, and we then go for Ozil.
I'm sure M O D fever will follow this post but I think he's overrated. But hey, this is only my opinion.
I would be desperate for a bid on Veratti or Vidal before a bid on Bale. Pure dreams tho.
I still think the possibles are Strootman, Thiago, Varela, Baines and (controversially) Lewandowski. A chance of Fellaini too, pending a failed bid on Stootman. I don't know why, I still have a feeling that we'll try for Lewy, and may just get him if Rooney departs.
With Regard to Rooney, I think if he goes, it would be PSG, as they are the likely highest bidder/wage. His ego is too huge for Arsenal, and Chelsea remain a possibility. I would certainly hope united would be shrewd enough to suggest Veratti in any PSG talks.

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Patzi, levy simply won't sell to united or any other english club! Bale will move but in a year or so and then abroad! One other note of importance is that he doesn't like manchester! Yes his hero was ryan giggs but he is welsh, that doesn't mean he wants to join just like he grew up supporting arsenal it doesn't mean he wants to join them! I'm sorry but anyone believing he will join united are crazy {Ed004's Note - Every single one of your posts has been about us not signing Bale we get your point now!}

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I think after the fans backlash to Levy selling Berbatov to us I think Levy would want to avoid the uproar. Also you have to remember that Spurs are slowly becoming title contenders, so becoming a feeder club to the best clubs in the League goes against what they need to do to get top 3 or 4.

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No name, your clearly deluded. I get your point Fresh. But I feel he would take the money, and invest some back into the club. And would actually improve Spurs in the long run aswell as making a few pound in the doing so. Spurs are definitely open to offers from EVERYONE, especially united who always pay the inflated dollar asked! I certainly wouldn't be upset if we went for Bale. I just don't think he's worth it with the better options for us involving the money it'd cost. I would entertain a deal involving Young as suggested by someone (an ed I think). As he would be perfect for spurs. Then they could fork out on a decent forward (maybe Higuain, Damiao, Benteke) and still have change, aswell be better positioned for an assault on the top 4. {Ed004's Note - I'd happily offer Young and 40-50 million but with Rooney and Nani going we would need another forward/winger}

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Think your all deluded, we do have a giggle about bale! Think you should ALL take a leaf out of syds book! He knows bale ain't going to you! But hey keep up with the comedy it does keep us amused

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02 Jun 2013 10:19:26
if lewandowski does go to Bayern, wouldn't mind moyes buying Mario gomez, brilliant striker.

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I wouldn't describe Gomez as brilliant. I would describe him as a less talented Berbatov.

Sydney!

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Agreed Syd, though Gomez is proven goal scorer and a good header of the ball.

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02 Jun 2013 14:40:40
Would he be a good option at the right price though. that's the question.

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Gilly, Welbeck would be a prolific goalscorer in the BM team.

Sydney!

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Lets not go that far Syd. LOL

TRUMORS

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02 Jun 2013 10:03:47
Nani wants a move to Monaco, with Monaco willing to bid around £20 million to sign him.

Andyp MUFC

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02 Jun 2013 10:02:16
Nani to Monaco 20m I think there is a good chance of this happening and I think in Zaha we have someone to step straight in do the eds or anyone else no how much Nani is on I bet its a lot more than Zaha and if it does happen it will give us more cash for other targets let's hope this is real and not a rumour. Katef

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02 Jun 2013 08:38:06
I'm disappointed with reports linking us to Di Maria. Having watched a lot of Spanish footie, he clearly has talent but dives and whinges horrendously. I'd much rather spend the money on someone else.

Clearly midfield is our major concern. I have no idea how good Strrotman is but will be watching the U21 carefully. Remember, if he is any good we won't be the only suitors.

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Finally someone who see's sense! Di Maria is no better than Nani.

GRD

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02 Jun 2013 07:53:41
Will get shot down for saying this am sure.

Would anyone take Robben for 10MIL and Strootman for 20MIL.

Robben, RVP and Strootman would be a good. (dont think Butner will ammount to anything special) Only thing is I don't know if they would get on.

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I would take Robben without a second thought, he is a great player. Having a front 4 of RVP, Kagawa, Di Maria and Robben would be good.

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Same here, god knows he has stuck it to us more than once and that Bayern goal still hurts, thinking what could have been that year.

Him and Navas are for me still the best 2 right wingers around.

Shahram

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You'd think having players from the same country it'd be a good thing. However, Robben doesn't get on with anyone and he is a massive trouble causer

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Robben is 29 and he heavily relies on pace, a bit rissky that one

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Agree I hear he is a massive trouble maker but can't be as bad as the unfit Englishman we have now.

Agree with the pace factor but for 10Mil (guestimate price) I am sure he would be good for at least 2 seasons and way better than young and Valencia.

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02 Jun 2013 18:53:53
@nikz- I think that's very harsh, I feel he has great dribbling skills and he also has a good left foot on him.

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02 Jun 2013 04:06:23
If Rooney goes and we are switching to Moyes' favoured one striker up front what about Higuain? Surely all we need is a back up for Van Persie, I think he would be one of the best around. He has been disrespected at Madrid imo and is a much better player than what we have seen.

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We have a back up for van Persie his name is Hernandez and I think he's absolute quality.

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I am not 100% sure we will sign a striker. I think the reason we went for Lewandowski was because he was too good to pass up. If we were interested in another striker then Higuain would be a good signing. I think that would spell the end for Chicharito though. I guess if RM missed out on Aguero, Suarez, Cavani, Lewandowski & Neymar they might be interested in Hernandez? Part exchange perhaps?

Sydney!

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Not a big fan of Higouain myself (or Benzema, for that matter). Given the ridiculous quality they have around them, both should offer a lot more to Madrid.

I'm not convinced we should be looking for an absolute top ranking striker to compete with Van Persie - a) there aren't that many around in Europe and b) there aren't any better (save Messi and Ronaldo).

Our best strikeforce - Cole / Yorke / Sheringham / Solskjaer - was built around variability and partnerships - and we should look to build that sort of complementary set instead. I have a feeling Hernandez will take a step up next season anyway, so if Rooney leaves, I'd like to see us look for a powerful hold-up player to complement what we have. Shame Chelsea won't consider selling Lukaku, really.

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02 Jun 2013 15:15:49
Lukaku would be perfect. Shame Diouf never worked out. Anichebe or Benteke?

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If Rooney was to go Chelsea, we may push for Lukaku in return. We were favourites to sign him prior to the ever frustrating Chelski snatching. I think I could write near a whole team of players who they've snatched from us with much less scouting, by throwing money at them instead. Although it would consist mainly of midfielders!

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02 Jun 2013 18:54:06
@Caolan_2

I think Hernandez is more effective when played with another striker instead of alone upfront. He will play with RVP when we switch to a 4-4-2. If RVP is injured we need somebody of good quality. I think Higuain would be perfect.

I see Welbeck becoming our next Park Ji Sung.

REDFAITH

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Redfaith, I agree with you about Hernandez. And Welbeck too, he seems to get used for the disruption he causes as a second striker, like v Real Madrid, or as a defensive winger. He doesn't finish enough yet, but he causes a lot of problems.

Considering Park, I hate to think that the bigger the opponent, the more likely we will see Jones as a CM.

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02 Jun 2013 00:12:22
Just something I heard tonight from a sports agency. West Ham United are going to be a huge player in European football within the next 3 years. This involves part ownership by Alisher Usmanov who will pull out of Arsenal and invest in WHU.

I was told "nobody will be able to outbid West Ham for any player in world football by 2015"

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Big who would WANT to play there? They said the same about QPR.

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QPR didn't have the Olympic Stadium at a knock down price as an attraction! Think about it!

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02 Jun 2013 01:52:55
In terms of big signings:

Ronaldo would be very expensive and RM don't want to let him go naturally, my only question, if Ronaldo really wanted to return, how much say could he have in the matter? Can the player force the move? I know I may be dreaming here.

Lewandowski seems favored for Bayern, though I would love him, a true world class CF. And I see RM as the front runners for Bale.

I think a very technical central midfielder is critical. Isco seems to be a great player, but will he follow Pellegrini to Man City, as it seems? Same goes for Strootman and the latest rumours that Dortmund are now the front runners.

I am hopeful about Thiago, I think he is a great prospect. He has a lot of attacking qualities, confident on the ball, with a good touch, and can pass and shoot.

The last few years we have tended to not have the initiative against the big clubs, because we do not possess as well as they do. The others have center midfielders with world class abilities: even in England, Man City have Silva & Toure, Chelsea have Mata & the drive of Ramires, Arsenal have Cazorla and Wilshire.

We need a player that you cannot get the ball off of, that can dictate the flow of the game. A player in front of Carrick. Cleverly's movement is excellent but he is nothing special on the ball. Kagawa, yes. But would love to see another creator come in as well.

ZIDANIEL

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LOL!

Ok, I'll "think about it", and worry myself silly for the next five years.

Eegit.

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