Manchester United Banter Archive April 30 2013

 

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30 Apr 2013 23:24:02
Don't know what to make of Lewandowski joining. one day it looks as though he his, the next he's not, really hope he does join though! Strootman looks pretty much done and dusted, can see someone else coming in though? Bale seems to be linked again, couldn't see Fergie spending the likes of 50mil on him? What do you guys think?


-JI

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Lewandowski is a possibility depending on Dortmund's willingness to sell and the player's desire to play for us. We are obviously interested but so are other clubs, and if Lewandowski is willing to consider other offers we will most likely be outbid.

I hope that we have a deal in place to sign a quality midfield player. If we don't then something has gone very wrong in SAF's thinking.

Other than that I suspect we may sign another young player with potential, and if we sell a bit of the dead weight we could sign a new attacking player.

We will not sign Bale or Ronaldo. We are no longer a club that is willing to break transfer records and that's what it would take. SAF has stated again that we can't compete with City and Chelsea. What will be interesting to see is if he actually takes his own advice. Year after year we go for players who we know Chelsea, City, PSG or some other heavy hitter will inevitably outbid us for. It's completely counterproductive to bid for players we can't compete with the big spenders for and we need to start looking at options we have a chance of signing.

And don't argue that RVP shows we can still compete. We didn't win the bidding war, the player chose the club and if he was open to other English clubs he would be playing for City now.


Danny Pughnited

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Strootman 'looks done and dusted'. How do you know this?

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Please tell me how you know about the Strootman deal being aldeady done, I haven't heard anything.

Simmo

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SAF has said that RvP was always going to sign for us. Personally I believe it was agreed months before. We didn't 'outbid' City directly, but he was drawn towards our club's history and the fact we will win trophies. What's to say that will not happen again? Some players prefer class over cash. What's to say a future Chelsea or City target wouldn't choose us over them again based on who we are? Not all players are motivated purely by money.

It's reported Mario Goetze was offered £330k a week to join City, but chose BM on a third of that wage. Some players just admire a club for their history and their status. City have no choice but to offer ridiculous salaries to players as they have little else to offer them in terms of a famous history. God only knows what they are paying Yaya now. He was on around £220k a week before his agent used dirty tactics to get him an increase. He must be on £300k a week now. Crazy money.

So there are two types of player IMO, there are players who will join the club that offers the most cash regardless of other factors and there are players who care more about how they will be remembered when they retire and what they can be a part of in the meantime. Players who are more interested in being part of a club with a famous history, not some sort of "project". We may not be able to outbid City or Chelsea, but sometimes you do not need to. Sometimes it boils down to a player's preference.

Sydney!

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I agree with that Syd. I would add that it is getting harder to find players who prefer other things over money - purely because of agents and how greedy the game has got. But we still need to find these players as we can't just splash any old cash like City. I'd far far rather Goetze as BM over City!

HBadger

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Yaya took a pay cut on his basic with an increase on the incentives

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There isn't a chance in the world that Yaya took a paycut. Don't be so naive. His basic salary would have been improved and his bonuses. he will be getting in line with what Aguero is getting.

Sydney!

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30 Apr 2013 22:44:03
If Lewandowski's 4 goals last week put £20m on his value then the chances he missed tonight will have taken it off again.

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Missed it tonight as my newborn daughters a bit poorly in hospital still. I think if he's coming then the deal was struck a while ago. read so much about lewy long before his 4 goals last week. would be very excited if he does arrive this year. him and Rvp is one hell of strikeforce.

very excited to see what happens this summer tbh.

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Hope your little un' gets well soon mate.

TK-Red

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Hope the wee one's ok, mate.

StevieK

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Hope all is well ms85,

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Thanks alot. hoping she'll be here to witness her first trophy lift in a couple weeks!

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30 Apr 2013 22:29:35
"We're not Chelsea or Manchester city, but we're competitive" fergie talking about the transfer market.
I think we'll hear "we tried but there's no value in the market" in a couple of months time.
More Bebe, tosic, bellion, obertan's on the way.

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This quote kinda goes against KLOOT's season ticket theory then! Just sounds like the truth to me.

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Your right we are not Chealsea or City just the most consistent club in the period the players you mentioned where at the club at a fraction of those playing fantasy football at the above!
Dylan

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Dortmund sold their star man to us last year and through great scouting replaced him with reus the team that played tonight cost a fraction of what is spent by our big clubs!
They don't have trouble filling their stadium and before you jump down my throat remember how well supported we are.
Dylan

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Why are so many no names on here posting rubbish at the moment? I might give the site a wide berth for a few weeks if all we are going to get is people posting the 'no value' rubbish that fergie said once when their actually was no value.

I think fergie has been quite honest as to what we need and what we are looking at doing. In fact what he has said fits in with what most regular posters on here would be happy with.

As many have said a summer of strootman, Rodriguez and lewandowsi (and maybe Baines) replacing scholes, Anderson and nani would be ideal and would set us up for a good shot at everything next year.

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GDS

I'd take Rodriguez and Strootman alone mate, Lewey would be a luxury signing - if it means we sign a midfielder and another new winger, I'd rather stick with Chicha and Welbeck! Baines also, would be a luxury signing but a summer of all 4 would be unreal. I just hope we reinforce CM above anything else!

RED_SKY

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Dylan reus used yo play for Dortmund, they new all about him

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Red_sky,

It isn't often we agree but I 100% agree with you this time. It might not have to be Rodriguez but a similar player as well as strootman is hopefully the minimum. If we got lewy and Baines as well then they would be luxuries.

I really do hope we aren't disappointed this summer. As you all know I am always optimistic and see the positives but despite being delighted we have won the league again it feels more of a workmanlike season rather than one with amazing football where we tore teams apart. We rarely look like hitting lower teams for 5 or 6 anymore and when we do we tend to sit back and let them come at us after scoring 2 or 3.

United are all about flair and winning in style, I think fergie forego that this season in order to make sure we got the title back from the noisy neighbours, but hopefully next season playing as champions we can hit the ground running and play with more fluidity and flair.

Then again, if this time next year we have won the league in the same manner, I would take that all day long!

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Totally agree GDS - what SAF has said is just what all the sensible poster's were thiniking anyway! We won't try to outbid Chelsea or City but we will try to invest wisely.

I don't know where all these nonames have come from, we won the league just last week - now there's a procession of 'no value' posts when the transfer window has yet to open!

The negativity in some people is galling and I worry for their day to day lives, lol.

HBadger

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Gds whatever happens so be it but we have needed the midfield addressed for 3 seasons now and nothing has been done. 1 midfielder ie strootman although very welcome will not suddenly change our midfield, imo we need 2 quality cm a decent winger and I would be very happy if we get lewandoski.
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30 Apr 2013 22:16:00
Is this ok for Banter now ed? Thanks


And so the Ronaldo rumours rumble on, this time it is supposedly £65m + Nani as PSG have apparently made an £80m offer for him. I honestly think that it could happen this summer. I think SAF wants him, I think Ronaldo wants United and I don't see Real letting him run down his contract.

I, personally, don't think we would do the deal above though, I think it would end up being £65m cash or £45m + Hernandez possibly. I think I would let Hernandez go if it meant the return of Ronaldo. I think he deserves more playing time than we can give him and his attitude has been outstanding but he can't go on like that forever.

I see it in the following way, we paid Sporting £12m for him and sold him for £80m, if we buy him back for £65m then we will have had 6 years of great service already (2003-2009) plus another probably 5 years at the top so 11 great years in total. We will have actually made £3m without taking into account wages which are a totally separate thing anyway. Real on the other hand paid £80m and would receive £65m so would have spent £15m for the 4 years he has been there and he is now in his peak years as a footballer.

If someone had come to me in 2003 before we signed him and shown me just how good Ronaldo was going to be and said I will give you £3m to take this player as long as he can spend 4 years at Real Madrid in between I would have carried him from Lisbon on my back. I personally think SAF and Ronaldo have planned for this return all along and he made the yanks aware of this, SAF knew he wanted to play for his boyhood club during his career and after the extra season in 2008/2009 he agreed to let him go. He knew he would return before the end of his contract for slightly less than Real paid meaning we had actually not paid a penny for him.

It makes financial sense for the Glazers too. Sell him for £80m and help with the debts, then when we are in a much stronger financial position (which we are) bring him back again for a bit less and get sponsors to help with wages by making him their ambassador. This could possibly save them £250,000/week wages which would be approx £60m over a 5 year contract (nearly the same amount as his transfer fee).

I don't think it would come out of our summer budget as we have never really re-invested the £80m we got for him because we knew we wanted him back and it would cost a lot of money. We would still get a CM (Strootman?) plus a Hernandez replacement (Lewandoswski?) and maybe a LB (Baines?). We would spend about £50m for the 3 above players which alone would make us much stronger and Ronaldo would be the icing on the cake. I personally think Rooney, Nani, Anderson, Bebe, Macheda, Lindegaard, Scholes (retire) and Fletcher (retire) will all depart the squad this summer bringing in approx. £60m plus savings on wages. So with the Zaha fee we would break even making the yanks even more happy as they would have basically spent nothing this summer if Nike/Chevy pay Ronaldos wages.

Is it that far fetched to think it may happen? Maybe, but I hope it does and would welcome him back. And to those who will say we should get Bale, there is no way Levy will sell him to us for anything less than £80m and he will NEVER be as good as Ronaldo.

If we got Ronaldo, Strootman, Baines and Lewandowski this summer we would be in a position to challenge on all fronts next season. We would, in my opinion, have the best 1st team in world football and still have an amazingly strong squad to back it up. SAF would give it a few more seasons to conquer home and abroad again and would then hand over to his successor with us in a very strong position to move forward after his departure.


This is all MY opinion, I'm sure I will have people who agree, people who don't and then the usual go play FIFA rubbish that the numpties come out with.


Brendan81 {Ed004's Note - Yes that's fine. In regards to your team I would have played Ronaldo right in a 4-2-3-1 with Kagawa out left cutting in with Van Persie in the hole. Though all players would be able to move around freely}

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Sounds good ed, love the idea of them all interchanging behind Lewandowski. Would be an amazing team, prob won't be happening though eh.

Brendan81

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That's all very elaborate.
DHK

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30 Apr 2013 21:42:07

Brendan81 {Ed004's Note - Posts with teams in them have to be put on the team pages}

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30 Apr 2013 21:43:29
Goodbye to cheating Real. Delighted for Dortmund. Real tried all the tricks but football won in the end. Ronaldo going down for a dive in the end was pathetic. he was useless all night.
Well done Dortmund.
NoMidfield

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30 Apr 2013 22:00:28
Didn't see all dortmunds time wasting and diving then?

ekd

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So you thought Sergio Ramos 12 fouls as OK? Alonso shoving his hand in lewandawski's face, no problem? Contretao going in with studs up a fair challenge?
Do me a favour.

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30 Apr 2013 22:32:03
No.

ekd

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What wrong did Ronaldo do? People saying he didn't show up yet again forget he is carrying a thigh injury which caused him to miss their derby last weekend. The same people who forgot "best of all time" Messi's pathetic display in Munich. Funny how the not 100% fit excuse was pretty effective then.

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I hate ramos so much, he is scum. I don't know how he is first choice cb for rm he's a really bad defender he always plays for the man. He elbowed lewandowski in the head 3 times in the first half no card.
DHK

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30 Apr 2013 21:38:14
to say chealsea and man city fans think there the greatest there pages are often like a graveyard

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30 Apr 2013 21:17:31
Honestly is der any1 out der that can give an honest bit of info about our transfer targets. What makes people think SAF is going to buy star names. It's really not his style to do it. I'd luv Lewy and ronnie and marchisio but it just isn't going to happen. Lookin at Dortmund tonite none of our mids would start for them or madrid to be honest. Where does it leave us?

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No name,

Last season we signed van Persie, the pfa player of the year, so how is it not our style to buy big? You sound like you are panicking about nothing, I think it will be an exciting summer, and unless you get fergie posting on here, nobody actually knows for sure who our targets are.

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Gds were paying arsenal in 4 staggered installments for rvp apparently, i'm over the moon he came but paying like that if its true is not exactly splashing out lol.
johndenton

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30 Apr 2013 21:16:43
Ramos has committed enough fouls to be sent off three times. Nani puts a foot up to control a ball and gets sentoff! Dortmund withstood pressure and hhopefully will go through.

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30 Apr 2013 21:15:31
I think young left back Tyler Blackett should be given a chance seen as Evra has been so bad. Young Tyler has great potential

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Evra has been so bad when? Is it 2012?

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Evra was sensational against arsenal, I think he wil play one more year

nikz

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30 Apr 2013 20:16:23
Can we dare dream of a united team that features Ronaldo and Bale with RVP and Rooney?

Pedroknight

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No your forbidden.

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You're*

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No, I think his name is 'forbidden' ;)

Sydney!

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30 Apr 2013 21:09:12
Argh gammar nazi:-o lol.

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Yeah, FIFA 14- Coming Soon.

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01 May 2013 00:42:14
Ve haf vays of making you spell ;)

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30 Apr 2013 16:46:59
Hi Ed's,

I was just wondering if there was any update on the 3 names in the envelopes Brendan Rodgers had at the start of the season or did he have to go invest in more envelopes? :) {Ed002's Note - Try the Liverpool page.}

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30 Apr 2013 19:01:20
Didn't he copy Fergie? And wasn't Fergie's envelope empty?

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Yep. Fergie did it back in 92. Bet the scousers would love to know their messiah dreams of being SAF
Snakey

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30 Apr 2013 16:58:09
Lets get real

This summer we may see a midfeilder but if fergie keep using rooney there he would be doing that to save money.

A defender will probaly be signed and that's it with zaha already coming in I can't see us buying anyone

so possibly a midfeilder and a defender with zaha already on they way

I can assure you we won't be spending millions on players we do that like once every 3 years and vp was our last big one for a couple of years

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Have you listened to anything fergie has said in the last few days?

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Do you believe anything fergie has said in last twenty odd years, famous quote glazers best thing to happen to united

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Boarshaw, you make KLOOT look optimistic mate

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30 Apr 2013 14:26:13
Could sly employ any more bias former Liverpool players?

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They'll have to put up subtitles.

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To be fair I'm sure most other fans said the same when Gary Neville took on the job and he has surprised most people with how impartial he is.

TK-Red

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No i'm saying the ones who are already in the media are extremely bias when it comes to anything to do with Liverpool in the public eye, from the pundits to the ones with small columns in the newspapers they supposedly hate. Just shows the difference in teams where as most of our players go on to become coaches and managers their players sell out and get the flash short term jobs

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: Giants14

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JLBER84

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TK, to be fair I think GN overcompensates when trying not to be biased. It gets on my nerves. Sometimes I wish he would just be honest.

Sydney!

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30 Apr 2013 16:29:53
I'm not a Utd and to put it mildy didn't like Gary Neville when he played for you guys but now find myself thinking how great he is on Sly and I really like him now.

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30 Apr 2013 16:43:09
TK, at least you can understand Gary Neville!

MEF

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Syd

Ed001 has said on the Lfc site that GN has been told to act unbiased by Sly, to be the 'peacekeeper' among the more biased pundits. Apparently this suits GN due to his role with England.

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I'm not sure I'd say he overcompensates Syd! I think he just tries to look at it through other people's point of view, but I can see what you mean. It will be interesting to see how Carragher approaches things.

TK-Red

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Carragher struggles to string together an intelligble and coherent sentence in a post match interview. Not sure how he's going to cope doing a full match analysis. And they will need subtitles.

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Get we ll have to get used to "Stevie G"being man of match in every single game!
LP

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01 May 2013 08:11:00
Even the ones he doesn't play in. Lol

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30 Apr 2013 13:11:49
Interesting to note that Evra, with 4 goals this season, has outscored the combined efforts of Nani, Valencia and Young.

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Shows how dreadful our winger's have been this season.

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Interesting but not that surprising

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Has Rafael and Johnny Evans done the same? Or gone close?

Gar

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Evra has 4 goals & 6 assists.
Raf has 3 goals & 5 assists.
Evans has 3 goals& 2 assists.

Vel has 1 & 5
Nani has 1 & 3
Young has 0 & 5

so basically they have the same combined assists but the 3 defenders have scored 8 more goals then the 3 attacking midfielders.

(all prem games)

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Oxred - maybe we should switch Young and Valencia to Full Back and put Evra and Rafael on the wings, going by those stats it must work! ;)

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Dont forget welbecks lack of goals, oh almost forgot he's being played out of position

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I agree that it shows how little our wide men have contributed this season. Given that we've played 4 4 2 in lots of games we should had at least 15 goals from the wingers.

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Boarshawred, your usual positive self I see! I can't even remember seeing a post by you about us clinching the title (sorry if I'm wrong), but now you're back moaning just days later.

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Well said Gav, come on boarshawred, let's see something positive for a change

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30 Apr 2013 12:44:21
Also nice to hear the boss praise Januzaj, I hope he gets some game time either in these last few or next season. He is certain to be involved in preseason. Things really do seem to be shaping up well.

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30 Apr 2013 12:35:51
Syd sorry I keep asking u questions atm but can u shed some light on this Chevrolet deal as I keep hearing it was a huge mistake by one of the directors

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It's kind of irrelevant or unimportant as the deal is signed and sealed. It was probably a mistake on their part as they are paying us a fortune.

Sydney!

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I understand that but surely they could just cancel it after so many years or so mate

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I imagine there would be very large penalty costs if they canceled early mate.

Sydney!

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Thanks buddy, I bet that person was crucified for that mistake, i'm guessing it was always going to be a better deal than AON but just how big of a difference was it from wot they wanted to pay? How do you make a mistake like that lol

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We are sponsored by AON until 2015. The two season's leading up to the end of that deal Chevrolet will top-up the AON deal by £11m a season. Then when the Chevy deal kicks in it will be worth £45m a season. Nearly three-times as much as Liverpool's Standard Chartered deal.

Sydney!

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30 Apr 2013 23:13:07
The guy who set up the deal left Chevron about a week later. I think the fact that the deal didn't cover training kits meant his superiors saw it as a major mess up

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30 Apr 2013 11:14:31
With rumours seemingly not going away linking Ronaldo to a potential return to Old Trafford, and it being almost a given that for it to happen, United would need help from current/new sponsers (i. e. Nike, Chevrolet, etc. ).

Can I ask whether anyone knows of a similar deal being conducted in football to date? Or in fact any other sport?

After looking into it this a little, I personally can't see how this 'deal' could be viable. If a sponser (s) did help, then it would be either via a direct cash injection into the club (as part of the sponsership deal), which United would use for the transfer itself, or the sponser getting directly involved in the transfer and almost becomes a 3rd party - which I believe is no longer allowed in the Premier League.

It's certainly an interesting topic, because if if can be made viable, I'm sure it would be the start of a revolution as to how transfers are conducted in the future.

WF Red Devil

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Cash injections can be made by anyone in the form of donations to the club. This has no bearing on 3rd parties as the club can use that injection to help finance a deal to bring ronaldo back but no 3rd party deals would be condoned as they just lead to trouble and problems with ownership and image rights.

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30 Apr 2013 12:23:34
Agree that cash injection would be the only way this could be feasible, but would a potential sponser actually do this in reality?

Brands such as Nike and Chevrolet are of course very rich companies with large turnovers (turnover being the critical term), but to have potentially £30m-£40m reduced from your bottom line cash-flow will affect any business in several areas:

1. Credit Worthiness.
2. Poor viewing on released FY account.
3. Affect on Shareholders Dividends.
4. Potential reliance on banks (increased interest and charges).
5. Restriction in brand growth.

Seems unlikely to me, but that's just my opinion.

WF Red Devil

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30 Apr 2013 13:34:34
Aren't we negotiating with Nike though? If say they agree a ten year deal for 500 million then they'd just say here's the first years money, hand over fifty million and then we can do what we want with it. I think its highly unlikely we'll buy either Bale or Ronaldo.

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30 Apr 2013 14:41:38
Again, very much agreed. However reports are suggesting that the sponsors are getting 'involved' within the transfer. United just using the 1st years money from the deal is not the sponsors getting 'involved' in my eyes. That's simply us just choosing how to use our money. It's this actual 'involvement' that I'm wondering whether it's actually happened previously?

Appreciate the comments.

WF Red Devil

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First wedge of money will go to pay off some of the glazers debt

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30 Apr 2013 11:14:18
Do u think we are really ready to spend money on decent players we need/want or is all this season ticket renewal talk?

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Chris

Thought long and hard about it. I am kind of split on this. On one hand I think we will spend money on the desired players (may be not OTT), but with the Glazers here, you cannot discount the fact that us being linked to fancy names may still have some remote link to selling season tickets. 2-3 years ago I was completely against this thought but we have missed out on some high profile players. People may call it "agent fees" and "over-priced" or "competing against sugar daddies". But then like I said I am not so sure.

Deeps.

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For those who believe that Manchester United being linked with big names is a ploy to sell season tickets :-

1. Weren't we linked to big name stars before the Glazers arrived?

2. Aren't the likes of Chelsea, City being linked with big name stars most of which they don't end up signing?

3. KLOOT seems to think the timing of being linked with these players is curious, well we are almost near the summer transfer window, of course the papers will have such stories. Not just about United but other clubs as well.

4. Don't the papers link almost all clubs in europe with big name stars, most of which again, don't come off?

5. Are you telling me that the United fans in manchester have such a low IQ that they would buy a season ticket based on a story linking us to player in a newspaper?

REDFAITH

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Exactly REDFAITH - all top teams are linked with top players all the time, but especially coming towards a summer window. Then add to that the fact our season is as good as over and there's little surprise that that we are being linked to players.

Don't listen to KLOOT - literally everything he hears gets turned into a negative point about the running of our club.

Oh and BTW - if anyone out there is stupid enough to buy a Season Ticket based on "United are signing Falcao" then they deserve to be swindled out of their money IMO!

HBadger

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Gav

I have no doubt about what a match going red would do. Infact you are right, if anyone falls for it, then they deserve to be conned. But as far as what the Glazers think and put a spin on, am not too sure off. Like I said, I am not completely in agreement with what KLOOT says. But it is a fact that we have missed out on more high profile players than anyone else (Big Club) in the recent past. Saying that I still think we would still spend when required.

Deeps.

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Deeps,

I'm not saying there's no 'spin' involved with the Glazers and United, I'm sure they're happy with certain rumours going around, the same goes at other clubs too - like when Arsenal are apparently ready to spend up to £70m each summer then don't, lol.

But I do think most of the rumours in the papers are just that. It's happened for as long as I remember, long before the Glazer's that's for sure. I was sure we'd signed Ronaldinho and Batistuta some years back - I'll never forget the feeling of realising for the first time that papers sometimes lie! (allegedly :)

It would be interesting to find out how many people would actually decide to by a ST based on a marquee signing. Having said that perhaps it is beneficial in getting people to pay up early so that the cash is in the bank? I can't say I know how I'd react TBF as I've never been a season ticket holder.

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REDFAITH I can tell how long you have been watching United if you don't think we have always been linked with big name stars. They were virtually selling shirts with Batistuta's name on them the press were so convinced. HBadger good to see that detol doesn't kill all parasites. Still living off other peoples comments

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Gav

I think we would get a lot of answers this year. We surely cannot let this transfer window go without a midfielder signed. If that happens, I would certainly think there is something wrong. let's hope not. Its gotto do with the gaffers principles as well. He just won't pay OTT, just like AW won't pay more than 15 million for anyone :). And then the small matter of greedy agents *sigh*. But I guess we will have to play at whatever is thrown at us. Can't expect agents to all of a sudden become saints. Hoping for the best

Deeps.

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Deeps

I'm just hoping for the best too, it's what I've become accustomed too after so many 'big names' that didn't end up at OT! Let's hope for more joy than frustration this summer.

KLOOT

Play nice, even a parasite has a heart!

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30 Apr 2013 10:28:30
Just read about the potential deal with Ajax about sending players there on loan, can anybody clarify what kind of agreement this is? Thanks.

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In past there have been agreements to send players to club on the continent when they can't get a work permit in the UK / or to gain a european passport. Something along those lines.

In this case though I think the Ajax manager is just suggesting that he would be happy to have some United players on loan there, and that many player would prefer Ajax over say Blackpool.

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Do we still not use Antwerp?

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30 Apr 2013 09:18:40
hi ed's new poster.
i have a question about this feeder club in brasil, desportivo, do we own any of the players or just some sort of 1st option, as evangelista was suppose to be with us but he haz gone elswhere, I would be very grateful for any information thanks.
tyler. {Ed002's Note - It is not a feeder club, just a working agreement.}

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United agree a low price for their highly rated players at 14/15 years old. Whether they become a Neymar or a flop that fee doesn't change. United will take the player's for trials at OT and when they are 18 they will join FC Twente to progress or more importantly to gain a European passport. I am not sure how solid the terms are or whether they can be broken, but it does give United first option on the player. Of course the player could always change his mind and join another club. That has to be a worry when Ribeiro is their agent.

Sydney!

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30 Apr 2013 08:02:47
suns started ronaldo hoo haa

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29 Apr 2013 22:46:55
For Ed002, in regards the FFPR.

The 5m euro acceptable deviation, is this only for the first year or for all three years?

As such, the 45m euro, possible, owner contribution could turn into an allowance of almost 60m.

Also, from reading between the lines, is it your opinion that these fair plays rules, will ultimately fail due to UEFA being scared to punish the tops clubs for breaking the rules as they fear a breakaway league?

Thanks {Ed002's Note - It is for each year.}

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