Manchester United Banter Archive August 30 2012

30 Aug 2012 22:27:03
Although it looks like we won't be signing anyone else we can still enjoy the demise of that mob from Anfield. After watching their match tonight I can happily confirm that they are a Suarez injury away from Championship football. Agent Rodgers is certainly earning his pay.

An Dun Red Devil

Liverpool are not our concern and haven't been for some years. City and Chelsea are our concern now.

Sydney!

Don't agree. Yes, Chelsea and City are our closest rivals in terms of trophies but they are new money. The biggest match of the season for me in terms of history, tradition and rivalry was, is and always will be our games against Liverpool.


An Dun Red Devil

I agree mate, but those games only come around 2-4 times a season. We are competing with City and Chelsea for 38+ games a season.

Sydney!

30 Aug 2012 21:54:43
people complaining about manutd targets going most of the targets you speak of are made by the media no one knows who are targets are only sir alex knows

FLASH

30 Aug 2012 21:13:16
what amazes me is how you can have two fantastic players in there heyday scholes and giggs.Playing for you from the youth setup,and not replacing them with like for like quality,having over 20 years to look for the right players to bring in as they both entered the twilight of there great careers.I think SAF has lost sight of what is really needed.Dembele ran our midfield ragged on saturday,what will city,chelsea etc do to us?
i feel this could be a very poor season for us.....maybe if it is SAF will try and bring in the right players next season at last!

Not sure why people keep harping on about Dembele, sure he had a good game against us but a lot of players when they are linked with us tend to do well. He didn't score too many goals last season and his assists weren't that high either.

"like for like" replacements? How many players especially British can you name with the talent and work ethic of these two in the last 20 years in there respective positions?
As winger wise I certainly cant think of a single name that comes anywhere near close. The only decent one since has been Bale and he chose Spurs for first team football.
And central midfield wise, again a totally different player but the only one I can think off is Steven Gerrard and he obviously would never play for us.
You mention these two players who you rightly say we have had over 20 years, and then you mention Dembele? A good player but pfffft come on
Invisible STuey

30 Aug 2012 20:13:59
Dear Manchester United fans,

Who do u dislike the most; City or Liverpool

Jm10 ( chelsea fan)

Liverpool. City are closing in though.

FredtheRed

Will always be liverpool but city are our main rivals at the moment jus like you wer season before last. my hatred for the scousers will always burn stronger than any though

Scouse all daylong...surprised u need to ask ;)

Citeh's attempt to ruin the face of football (similar to Chelskis btw) tips the balance for me to them.

I respect Liverpool as a historic club (unlike Chelski ;) but just don't like any of their fans!

DodgyBanter

Don't know myself to be honest.
Man City are a great team to watch, but I hate how they've gotten to where they are today. Man City's fans are, for the most part, very arrogant, and think they are superior compared to every other team.
I don't like Liverpool mainly due to the fans, no offence. Alot of them are okay, but alot of them really annoy me the way they bang on about how great they where in the past, plus the way that they all started kissing up to Man City when they won the league last year.

Chelsea :)

and their sugar daddy!


Cban

Chelsea ;)
Jay-c

I kind of pity Liverpool nowadays if I am honest.

Sydney!

Every other team in the league ;-)

Jono

Liverpool are now a little like City until the Sheiks came - they see beating us as the highlight of their season.

Sad (?) to see a once big club resorting to such a small-team mentality.

They'll be complaining that the big clubs get all the decisions next.



StevieK

Liverpool, Suarez puts them ahead of City. Not just because of the Evra thing either.

1993

30 Aug 2012 20:02:55
Just can't see us bringing anyone in now. Dembele would of been perfect and was quite cheap to. And proven in prem. hope I'm wrong but not getting my hopes up. Never the less I will will glued to a website all tomorrow night in hope!

30 Aug 2012 19:11:25
This is a post from mr lfc on the city page

29 Aug 2012 23:45:45
afta the game on sunday rekon we r bk, we shuda won you and br takin us forward, forget united we are liftin trophy off you city this year......lfc

Thought I'd share this as everyone of us needs a good laugh!

Caolán.

That lfc lad is a right eejit.

Full kit person lfc.

Was not me, not my style at all, but its funny , none the less..............lfc

30 Aug 2012 18:48:06
Our CL group is pretty much the best we could have hoped for. Now lets make the most of it and finish first!

loving citehs CL group!

Dan

Watched Citeh's group develop on livestreaming and it started well and finished perfectly with Dortmund in either ours or their group. Quality.

Halesini

30 Aug 2012 18:28:02
C.L

MY PERSONAL OPINION...
I'd prefer to have a tougher group. Big games increase confidence.

Last year we had an easy one and couldn't materialize good games. But I can't lie that this is a very good group to show and come on top.

I just hope SAF don't underestimate the other teams.

Nick86

Yes there is a danger the group is 'too easy' but given we were humiliated in Europe last year I'm not expecting deja vu with underestimating the opposition.

Bottom line is City may struggle to qualify from their group which will give hard games and impact on league form. I appreciate you can get a buzz from a long run of big games as we did in 99 however more likely such a good run will continue if it happens in the second half of the season.

Question: would you really swap our group for City's ??

Halesini

Teams should build momentum as the competition moves on. Last year it had the reverse effect on us and we was terrible to be fair. But fingers crossed!

ALDUtd

30 Aug 2012 18:18:56
I like our chances in our group. Lets focus even harder now. City have absolute no chance of getting out there group.

I think City have enough quality to beat Ajax and Dortmund.

Ste-Utd

Come on, I hate City too but they are clearly the 2nd best team in the group and should qualify. Dortumand will be tough but City will get through

They are much better than Ajax and are better than Dortmund, please explain how they won't get out there group?

RedDevil19

Champions of England v Champions of Germany - gonna both be playing second fiddle to Champions of Spain is all you can really call with any degree of certainty (if there is any certainty in football lol).

I'm not sure Mancini has covered himself in glory in European games at either Citeh or Inter hence I think it will be tight but Dortmund can edge them out.

That said ...that just makes them stronger for the league!!

Halesini

I see city beating ajax but dortmund are very good winning back to back titles without losing key players except kagawa but replace him with reus and one of the best partnership with hummels and subotic at the back

FLASH

30 Aug 2012 18:13:03
See how lucky you are? Because you are not champions you do not get into the 'champions only group'
Indeed McBluster seems to have picked his group out for himself again - let's hope it ends a little better than last time eh?

Puzzled

Hi mate worry about your big game with hearts!

Caolán.

Huh? You are kidding right? Where is Liverpool? I can't even remember the last time they were actually involved in the champions league. But then again the name says it all. Uefa CHAMPIONS league. When last were Liverpool champions of anything?!?

Nik Legend SA

In all fairness pal shouldn't you be more concerned about the Europa league? when or even if the Europa draw has taken place I won't even bothered to check who you or anybody else has drawn because it's not of any concern to me, the same should really apply to you mate.

Liverpool are going to have a crackin' year according to your page (and maybe you will, I don't know) but if you are going to be so exciting how on earth have you found time to comment on our page? considering the amazing transformation that is supposedly taking place at anfield...

The Moon.

Liverpool have got a good chance this year..... in the Johnstone Paint Trophy!

All the best

DodgyBanter

Bitter as always puzzled, shouldn't you be concentrating on your europa league game...

JK92

Just because we are not champions once! You remember you won on goal difference and I doubt you'll get out the group! Our club and manager define champions your history will never compare to ours

GD

Are you aware you're in a competition against a team who finished 5th in the Scottish Premier League?

Ports

Great banter Puzzled, Fair play...

Dylan

Listen Puzzled you worry about your 2nd rate competition and leave the big boys to the real competition. As you're well aware the Champions League draw is done on TV, fairly as well may I add. Jelousy is fine but you don't need to tell us about it. Not our fault City have a low UEFA co-efficiency is it. Thanks anyway though.

RMD

Seriously, you have no right to come on here.

G.A.G.U.S

Haha the worst thing about posts like this is that scousers actually believe it, there isn't an ounce of humour involved. You know how bitter you sound?

GDS

How bitter are you puzzled you sad sac

Pardoe

You really do try to make something out of nothing all the time don't you... How is anything to do with SAF that we got them drawn out of a bowl of balls you fool.... Shouldn't you be on the Norwich or West Brom pages there your rivals now mediocre morons.

I'd worry about the Hearts game AND losing your star £35m striker to West Ham. Think the East End's finest could now launch a serious challenge on Liverpool's mid-table respectability ;)

Halesini

30 Aug 2012 17:55:26
Our Group: Braga/Galatsaray/Cluj , Not too bad, only worry is traveling to Turkey.

30 Aug 2012 17:49:52
Man rubbishty just got chosen in the group of death with Real Madrid, Ajax and Dortmund. Ha ha!
I'm pretty happy with our group, it seems fairly easy on paper with FC Zenit, Galatasary FC and CFR 1907 cluj, a club from Romania.

Nik Legend SA

We have braga, not zenit.

TRUMORS

30 Aug 2012 17:48:22
I think that's a good group we got gala the toughest game but we should have no problems at home, city well their group will harden them. :)

Caolán.

30 Aug 2012 17:44:56
Easyish group for United, provided we're not as complacent as last year. City have got no chance!!

Red Spark

Yep, extremely winnable but last season I said the same, that was a weak group, this could be weaker.

I dont think complacency came into personally, maybe a bit, but come on - that midfield giving 100% against the big guns would still have come up short regardless of how motivated.

RED_SKY

Red_sky,

Problem with that is we didn't have the same midfield for most of the matches. We played berbatov in the home games and park and giggs.

The players played their best and were not good enough, it was fergie that was complacent thinking the squad is better than it is.

Can't really bang your favourite midfield drum on this one.

GDS

GDS

Worried about you mate.

Anyway, so what you're saying is, SAF overestimated how good our midfield options were?

Which was the point I made initially - our midfield options were not good enough.

You just put a slightly different slant on it - seriously, stop following me on here now it's getting weird. I don't crop up on every one of your posts, I don't need to - half the board talks you down for me.

RED_SKY

30 Aug 2012 17:41:35
good draw for us,
city got a bad one again
jred

30 Aug 2012 17:38:20
sorry lads i jinxed us i knew we'd get them. Mort

30 Aug 2012 16:13:25
I know everyone wants a midfielder and a good one but I don't think fergie will sign one, so if we are in desperate need of a ball winning box to box midfielder we have someone ready made for the position, Ryan tunnicliffe he has to be given games! Your thoughts guys?

Caolán.

I think we need a box to box midfielder for the bigger games , tunnicliffe is not ready for that yet
jred

I am not quite sure, I rate Tunnicliffe very high. The boy was one 3 super Midfield trio. Obviously Morrison never got any contract offer from Man utd(thats fact) and we all the Pogba just want some assurance he will get more game time ahead of Giggs(terrible in midfield). We all know we needed midfield cover and thats why Scholes was back, but how did Juventus, who has Pirlo, Isla, Asamoah, Vidal, Marchisio and 3 more midfielder manage to convince Pogba that he will get more game time, when Man utd has potentially more games.

So anyway going back to Tunnicliffe, i think he needs to improve his short passes and be more dominating within the team by improving his positioning. The boy is ready, its upto him if he takes chance.

Red Samurai

I'm by far the biggest Tunners fan on here but I don't think he's ready to play every week, I'm sure next season he'll push but he's still a young lad, throwing him in against Tiote, Cabaye, Barton, Yaya, Cattermole. etc. will ruin him.

Great potential but making him play so much at a young age will make him burn out at a young age like Walcott, owen, etc.

The Moon.

Well if we don't sign anyone then he has to get games.

RedDevil19

Moon I love him he's on the back of my jersey, :) anyways it wouldn't ruin him against the like of yaya it would make him stronger and more experienced!

Caolán.

30 Aug 2012 15:34:34
Chelsea & City have looked very strong so far. It appears that Tottenham and Arsenal are investing in their squads and after a short period where the players will develop a cohesive bond, those squads should be strong in the EPL.
Yes, United brought in RVP, Powell, Kagawa, Buttner, Henriquez, but are all of those players ready for the EPL?
I would say Kagawa & RVP are ready to dominate, but the others are not. Likewise, United has young talent that soon can be dominating players. But, and that is very important to state, those young players are at least a year away from being ready for the EPL.
Sorry to say, but Anderson and Cleverley are not going to dominant the midfield. Scholes cannot play more than 50 minutes each game at a high level. United cannot wait and hope Fletcher returns to save the day. It will not happen!
Sorry to be so honest, but I question why United does not invest in the midfield and defense.
Regarding the defense, does anyone realize that Ferdinand is in the twilight of his career? He is injury-prone and has lost the once brilliant pace that he once shone.
Please, United, an investment in the squad is needed.

I wish people would hush up about our defence we have no problem with it ! Smalling is already capable to replace Ferdinand and is only going to improve and Pgil Jones is capable to play there aswell as Evans our defence is great the only sub par is Evra and he isnt exactly stephen warnock ability.

City look strong? What games have u been watching? Lucky draw vs Pool and 3-2 at home win. Get a clue!

Why do you think we bought smalling and jones?

Ste-Utd

Responding to the statement "I wish people would hush up about our defense......". If I recall, didn't United have a 10 point lead over City with four matches remaining last year. I hope my information is not incorrect, but how did United lose the title with such a large lead in the table. Also, didn't United's defense crumble during the last match of the year against Everton, which ultimately cost United the title. Please advise if I mistated the facts.

8 point lead and we won at Sunderland last match of the year and threw points away at home against everton.

You did, it was 8 points, and we drew the game you mentioned because of our full backs, nothing to do with our centre backs.

GDS

30 Aug 2012 14:55:14
Alot of people have moaned about our midfield and even said things like we'll struggle to finish in the top four with this midfield. What a load of rubbish, this midfield finished equal on points with the team that finished top of the league. I know our play wasn't that convincing at times but they still got there by hook or by crook. This season we'll hopefully have Cleverley and maybe even Anderson fit for the season. So that should make us abit stronger. Then we have Vidic back in defence and proper competition for Evra so we are stronger in defence. Then up front we have the RVP the leagues top scorer signed and Kagawa who'll add goals from midfield and some more creativity. So why should our team be worst than last year. If Cleverley and Anderson can stay fit and prove their worth along with a more solid defence and more expansive attack then we should have a good chance on all fronts.

Shappy

We never played great football last year the standard of the league was poor last year although entertaining imo.
I would say city , arsenal chelsea and united were all at various stages of transition.

in europe we were very average no where near the level of the top teams I would'nt put us in the top 5 teams in europe last year and thats being kind.
although chelsea proved a bit of luck can go a long way.

uniteds aim should be to be the number 1 in europe but to best honest i dont think we are there at the moment.
jred

The concern over our midfield, and to be blunt, Anderson and Nani in particular, is they dont look upto it.

However, our first choice attacking trio of Kagawa supporting Rooney and RVP is mouthwatering.

Our midfield may not be stellar but I'm expecting an improved showing from Cleverly if he stays fit.

Vidic coming back is like a new signing. Vidic alone would have stopped the 1 or 2 key goals that effectively lost us the title last season and as you point out we lost on goal difference. Goal difference that can be put down to one fluke game in the 6-1 defeat to Citeh.

City will have to play as Champions for the first time though I expect them to be there or thereabouts. Chelsea are an obvious threat if all their new signings gel which in fairness they look to be based on first 3 games however its a long season as all know.

Yes we are not perfect but over a 38 game season I believe we will finish on top.

Halesini

30 Aug 2012 14:46:42
Can anyone comfirm if we are going to sell nani in this window?

Also ed if man utd wasnt to get anymore incoming do you think they would move for gaitan and witsel in january! {Ed004's Note - Possibly}

30 Aug 2012 13:33:09
I watched the Clasico yesterday and couldn't help but think that we would be beatem Madrid and Barcelona - but if we fixed the area that is most at need then we would do just fine! The midfield pairing for Madrid - Alonso and Khedira are much more combatative than our pair. Khedira in particular impressed for me as he is meant to shield the defence, however he also drives forward with the ball and passes forward - something which Carrick could do more of I think. Out of our squad, I feel that Rafael, Vidic, Valencia, Kagawa, Rooney and RVP could make it into the Madrid squad and also the Barca squad, but generally they have the superior squads. Having said that, we are just one player away from matching them - with RVP, Valencia, Kagawa, Rooney etc we could match them goal for goal I feel but the midfield would be bossed. Maybe SAF feels that Fletcher will be back soon to sort that out, or Herrera will do the job. Still hoping for Witsel.

If it was up to me, I'd sign 2 to 3 more players if we had the money. Firstly I'd sign Axel Witsel, not to replace Anderson, just to give us another option. But I would sign Muiain to probably replace Nani as we would need to sell him to finance him. My perfect line up would be:

___________DDG
Rafa___Vidic___Ferdy___Evra
_____Cleverly__Witsel
Rooney___Kagawa____Muniain
___________RVP

That forward line would be flexible, but if we wanted a bid more rigidity we could easily play Valencia and Young. That team would be up there with Madrid, Barca and Bayern I fancy.

RedDevil19

Thats a good team RedDevil19. Don't be shy about replacing Nani or Anderson. Having Muniain and Witsel in their positions would improve our first team considerably.

Halesini

30 Aug 2012 11:36:34
Why are people going on about Dembele.
He has already passed a medical and joined Spurs.
There will be nobody else coming in...Fergie has a fear about buying central midfielders.
Roll on Scholes for another year....arr well he is only coming upto his 39th birthday.

Simmo

I've accepted it now. I honestly cannot see any reason SAF would think our midfield options are capable of doing better than last season, which surely must be the aim before any season?

So, all I can think is that SAF is sticking to his guns. He doesnt' want to buy a Cm and "give in to fan pressure" or be proven wrong in thinking what we had was sufficient - it clearly isn't, think of Basle and Bilbao as 4 x games where this was not only apparent, but frightening.

Nobody's coming so I guess it's time to get stuck in and back the lads. No hope for silverware from me personally, but here's to 3points on Sunday.

RED_SKY

Red_Sky,

Doesn't surprise me there is no hope from a trophy from you, mr pessimistic at his best.

We have a much better team than last season, surely that is obvious to anybody?

We will have sold Park and Berbatov and replaced with Kagawa and van Persie, as well as 3 youngsters who can hopefully step up.

I wish we got that midfielder we desire, and I know you are pessimistic about Fletcher, but if he does come back at 80% of what he was he could be exactly what we need. He was never a world beater but that isn't what you want your box to box midfielder to be. Also Carrick going back into there will make a big difference.

Let's all get behind the lads, stop being so negative and enjoy the season.

I for one am so excited to see the football we play with valencia, kagawa, rooney and van persie, it could be unbelievable.

GDS

And no surprise to see deluded optimism from you, GDS. We have a much better attack this season but that was never the problem.

No point going over this again, we'll have to agree to disagree.

3pts should be a certainty this weekend, should being the key word.

RED_SKY

Gds
to beat the very best even if fletcher comes back at 100% his not the answer never mind 80%

i think our midfield 3 will be clevs carrick and kagawa in front of them if we are to sign a midfielder to improve us he needs to be better than clevs and carrick IMO


is red sky being pessimistic or realistic , does being positive make you more of a fan or something .
Ive been a fan a long time and supported our good and bad teams all the same.
our current team is a v good team but not great imo and there are better teams out there does that make me pessimistic or realistic ?
jred

GDS

you're accepting Fletch was never a world beater mate, but you're prepared to have him back operating at 80%, thinking that will be good enough to get us anywhere near the top midfields?

Is that how desperate we're getting?....Seriously?


StevieK

Jred

I personally think I'm just being realistic - our midfield was torn to shreds by teams like Basle last season. I dont see it being any different, its a pessimistic view I guess but I find it hard to look at our midfield and go "wow, that is a solid lineup".

RED_SKY

Jred,

What you said makes you realistic but most people would also agree we are one player away from having one of our best squads for years. Surely without that player we are still pretty decent, especially if one player steps up.

Like I said, I don't want my defensive mid to be a world beater necessarily I want him to be good at what he does, break the play up and give it to the world beaters, which we have quite a few of.

Realistic is suggesting we need a midfielder, pessimistic is to say we have no chance of winning a trophy, I don't that it realistic in the slightest as we are better than we were last season and city aren't.

I am unsure why it makes me wrong to be optimistic and enjoy my hobby or supporting the greatest club in the world rather than moan all the time but it appears we have a lot of 'realistic' people on here!

GDS

30 Aug 2012 13:02:37
Why are city in pot 2 but dortmund in pot 4 dortmund have won more then city over the last few years? was hoping someone could explain this to me
Brooksy

I think it's pretty obvious who is the better of the two....

MPez

Its based on your european coefficant.

Shappy

Because of how highly uefa rates each leauge I think.

Caolán.

30 Aug 2012 10:05:27
Let's have some predictions on the group for the champions league. The poster with the winning guess gets to spend a night with one of the eds lol

I'm goin for Shalke, Juventus and Montpellier

Big Mac

Borissia dortmund, braga and Olympiakos

Im good to share a double bed eds.

DanB

Zenit, Galatasaray and Cluj.

Jono

I'm guessing, Braga, Juventus, Borussia Dortmund.

Welsh Dragon

Zenit to face Nani.
Juventus to face Pogba.
Kagawa to face Dortmund.

United
Zenit
Juventus
Dortmund

Sydney!

Shakhtar Donetsk,Ajax,Montpellier

RedKnight

Braga, Moscow and Malaga

Gar

The harder the better, it will mean we take every game seriously.

Sydney!

Braga, Anderlecht, Dortmund.

G.A.G.U.S

I think we will get Shakhtar, PSG and Cluj. I would hope for Braga, Olympiakos and Bate

GG93

30 Aug 2012 09:04:18
Seems fletcher went a full 90 in a u21 match. First off I'm thrilled he's healthy, but from a football standpoint he could be the exact player we need. Carrick can protect the back four, but his interplay and quickness don't match well with kagawa and cleverly. Fletcher is more than capable of protecting the back four and providing steel to the midfield, but he will be a much better fit for our new attack. Eds, any knowledge on fletcher and his chances of making a comeback in the near future? -KG

Watched the whole game last night and fletcher is miles away from being at 1st team level
johndenton

I'd love to see Fletchs stats from last night as he still looks a long way off from being fit and hope that he isn't being seen as the answer / solution to us not buying a new midfielder. He clearly needs more time

30 Aug 2012 08:23:58
How are we in for Dembele if Berbatov moves to Fulham
Your all missing the fact Dembele has already joined Tottenham for £15 million

30 Aug 2012 08:04:34
hi guys

i am not sure kagawa can reach hazard assists as hazard already has 7 assists but kagawa needs to get a good service from the central midfielders like hazard gets. man utd needs dembele, wanyama or witsel who can pass the ball forward and create chances also and add steel to the midfield. our strike options are good. but i will continue to say this kagawa is very fast and his passes are damn dangerous. and rvp will be up there bagging goals for us. i think we can only see the best of kagawa if he gets good passes from the midfield.

Does getting penalties counts as assissts? i dont think so

Eden Blizzard has played two more games. Plus two lower league teams that Kagawa will eat for breakfast.

29 Aug 2012 00:07:35
Hi eds, just wondering about the Dembele situation. Syd seems to believe that there will be another club that will bid for him. What are your thoughts on this? Plus cracking site you got here. Got all my mates hooked on it too!

Basel Red {Ed002's Note - Dembele could well prove to be a saga yet to happen this week and there would be plenty of interest if the opportunity arises.}

Hasn't Dembele moved to Spurs?

#ags

Dembele signed for spurs yesterday so that's him out the question I'm hoping a sale of berbatov and nani to provide money for witsel


Munkydunc

I thought it was confirmed he had signed for Spurs so how is anything last minute possible.
It is ok talking about our youngsters but they need to be given the chance to shine instead of the OAP's.
I fear another season without our midfield issues being sorted, Barca proved how far short we have been in CL finals, then City and in two games this season Everton and Fulham where we were lucky to get away with a win, i fear Chelsea and City games we will be exposed.

Exactly. But saf seems to think otherwise. Obviously the 77,000 who watch every home match are all wrong!

27 aug 2012 20:36:47
hi ed002 i thought you had resigned how you doing? are you getting stressed yet buddy?

malaga gooner {Ed002's Note - I am travelling this week.}

29 Aug 2012 23:40:14
Sweet!

Cheers Ronny for helping me to a 40/1 shot score cast of 2-1 Higuain 1st scorer off a fiver. Nice little end of the month finish.

I'll gladly donate it to the 'Get Witsel' fund mind!

Jono

What about the 'Get Cabaye' fund?

G.A.G.U.S

G.A.G.U.S

I had put a limit on £22m and forwarded the idea to Fergie under the charity that is our CM yet he seen no value in it ;-).

I think Cabaye would have fitted perfectly as 1 of 2 CMer signings as long as the other was a Witsel type that can play. We could then have had Cabaye Witsel and Clevs as a 3 man CM when needs be and on top of ability with the ball there would be a bit of steel in Witsel with a top hustler in Cabaye and Clevs covering the ground work.

But its ok, another season of Ando will do ;-((((

Jono

The get James McCarthy fund ;-)

RedNdProud

Arsenals site had cabayes shirt on sale before deleted it

The bring Ronaldo back fund?

Caolán.