30 Aug 2013 23:41:21
I'm like everyone else, I'd love to see us sign a couple of players. But we really get carried away, over the year's I've seen people here criticise the club over not paying big money for different players. Lots of these players never developed into the players we thought they would. We have to have faith in the club, they know what there doing. I don't want to see us paying silly money for very average players. Plus the fact we did win league by 11 points last season, and we'd a terrible season with injuries, esp to defenders, so all is not bad. Plus having a new manager might give likes of ando and nani a bit of a boost as they didn't seem to fit into fergies plans. Also we have some really good young players coming through who need a chance. I'd be quite happy to let moyes have a season without spending so he can see exactly what he feels we need. I don't have any inside info but I'm told that transfer fees could come down quite a lot next season as banks are putting huge huge pressure on UEFA & FIFA to bring in cappings and better structure.
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30 Aug 2013 23:34:40
So this is it . the Last weekend of the transfer window. a website Jim White is ready to rock. the big question who do you think we will sign. in an ideal world i'd like fellaini and kaka.
Ive been thinking kaka wouldn't be a bad idea
How would u feel wiv Baines, Fellaini and Herrera? ;D
I personally would be very happy with Baines, Fellaini and Herrera. Would obviously prefer Ronaldo and Fabregas in a fantasy world but that's just never going to happen!
30 Aug 2013 23:30:14
Wish people on here would stop praising Levy and Tottenham for there transfer policy.
I still think they will finish outside of the top 4, can't honestly say that ANY of the players they have signed would get into united's current first 11.
Also please remember that they NEED that many players to compete for top 4.
We obly need 1 or 2 to compete for winning the league and poss CL.
We have total quality in goal and defence, total quality up top.
Every man and his dog knows we need to add quality to our midfield most importantly Moyes who has publicly stated so.
RELAX!!
Paulinho would walk into our midfield, Soldado is better than welbeck, chadli and lamela are better than nani and young, and Erikson would get in our team, spurs IMO will be title contenders.
Dude
Spurs will finish top four they are stronger than arsenal this season. They were unlucky not to last season and arsenal have not added to their squad.
The main thing about spurs this season is they actually have a squad of good players so can challenge in all competitions.
Also Paulinho and lamela would walk into united starting 11
I agree with what you've said here although I have to say that I rate Paulinho and think he would slot into our team very nicely in my opinion!
Although Spurs have bought well, they have loooooads of midfielders so need to offload quick. I expect the newbies to take at least a season to gain any true chemistry. They will fight it out with Arsenal for 4th IMO.
@Hex - Soldado is not as versatile as Welbeck and could not play in the wider role that Welbeck has been playing as he lacks pace. He is a better striker than Welbeck for sure but unless he is going to take RVP's place in the team as the main front man then there isn't a place for him, in the starting XI anyway, and I think we all know he isn't anywhere near RVP's level.
I think Erikson is overrated by many and I wouldn't swap him for Shinji in a million years!
Haven't seen enough of Chadli to comment but he hasn't left me in awe by any means from the few glimpses I have seen, so far any way, and Lamela looks the real deal but it is too soon to go labelling him a success as we don't know how he will adapt to the premier league. I do have a gut feeling though that we may end up regretting missing out on Lamela.
I agree about Paulinho though. I was a massive fan of his before his transfer to Spurs and judging from their first few games of the season he looks like he's made the transition with flying colours! Would have loved to see him join our midfield instead of Tottenham's.
I also agree that unless Arsenal add real quality to their squad then I feel Spurs will beat them to 4th. They were only a point behind last season and you have to say that the Spurs squad has improved dramatically since then. So far, you cannot say the same about Arsenal.
Spurs will finish in the top 4 quite easily and might challenge for the title, If they can integrate the players and gel they will be a handful.
I agree with Hex on his assessment and the one player he missed is this romanian defender they have just signed. I think he is going to surprise a lot of people.
They have put together a group of players, which looks like they will challenge for many years with only some minor tweaking required going forward.
I rate Erickson, Lamela and one might turn out to be their next 40 or 50 million pound resale in a few years as they seem to be good at buying low and selling high:)
Giggs11
I will take soldado over welbeck any day. What you call versatile is purely a function of us needing defensive cover and sticking welbeck on the left.
When was the last time Welbeck had a telling cross or an assist playing out on the left mate. I don't rate him and generally shocked when he scores. He has zero composure around the box and at best a useful squad player.
Erickson is very different to Kagawa and miles better than Cleverly who sort of plays that role for us.
Spurs will finish top 4 I would have thought but will not be challenging for the title IMO. Daniel Levy has basically spent the summer playing Career Mode on Fifa13, and has done it well TBF. On the game I'm sure he'd have a good shot at the league but in reality these players will need time to gel as a team.
They have an excellent midfield but may need to sure up the defence and may strugge with depth up front. I must say though, Paulinho looks excellent so far, just what we need in CM!
30 Aug 2013 23:16:03
I love the way our club works, despite what is said about what happening behind the scene, fergie left the club with alotta talent, I would love coming to manage a squad where I can have rooney up top with with nani left and zaha right with kags in the hole linking with double midfield of carrick and hererra, hererra wil be good buy hope we pull it off.
RVP needs to be managed from this point to be brilliant for a long time.now if we don't get anyone I'm all for looking at our talent pool at the club and with new manager to proof yourself to it can be good for some players to kickstart there careers again cause there not much bigger than UNITED
Alotta talent? Is that our new CM signing? :-)
Chris
Quality mate, quality
30 Aug 2013 22:43:34
Why does everyone become obsessed with marquee signings? Being negative doesn't help anyone or anything! I support Manchester United not the glazers! I did through the 80s and 90s, when a victory at forest or Norwich wasn't a forgone conclusion!
For God's sake hold your nerve, the appointment of Moyes is the biggest move for decades.
I'm of the opinion we will make signings Moyes is no buffoon, he can see giggs looks like he's running in quicksand, Anderson can't say no to a caramac!
People relax, your going to develop Irritable bowel syndrome!
WE ARE UNITED
We got beat at Norwich last season so still not!
I will always attack the glazers whilst I am still alive and they own our club end of. Nothing to do with signings just wish people would wake up to them. We can still get behind the team without putting up with their bull. Also nothing to do with Moyes its them.
Bring back Caramacs.
30 Aug 2013 23:01:23
I think the best bit of transfer business we could do is put in a bid for levy, and get rid of deadwood. It's embarrassing how easily he's getting transfers completed compared to us
30 Aug 2013 22:47:49
Just went on a website and seen that spurs just signed 3 players today which includes Lamela/Erikson and a defender for a record signing. And then I look at united and see we can't get one signing in the whole window (apart from that RB). i'm still hoping we can get someone maybe more than 1 good midfielder in. But atleast now united can't say there's no value as clearly spurs have been able to find some.
Top players who will improve our team are harder to sign.
30 Aug 2013 22:41:05
Will Chelsea never learn. Doing ok and then they let John Terry on the pitch and it all goes wrong. Got to say it does make me smile to see Terry lose in a final
Have to admit, Luiz is a beast.
I love Luiz, he's a leader and whilst he's had some stick on here, I'd welcome him
30 Aug 2013 22:37:50
SIT DOWN MOURINHO!
SIT DOWN MOURINHO!
SIT DOWN MOURINHO!
SIT DOWN MOURINHO!
30 Aug 2013 22:10:37
On tw@witter that there is a massive announcement due about two players. At first he said he would announce it at 9.30pm then 10 oclock but his latest tweet states that the sundays have the exclusive and he is not sure if he can announce anything now. The plot thickens
Who is tw twitter?
Or the bull thickens!
It was a fake to get people following him and you fell for it. When will people learn to stop getting things from twitter, it's full of people making things up.
Sorry never checked yhe post after writing it. it was andy Goldstein on twitter saying he had a massive announcement about two players but it is bs he has since twe
Sorry about original post didn't check it after writing. it was andy Goldstein saying he had massive news about two players but it turns out he was lying trying to raise money for great Ormond street hospital. I would gladly donate if he trapped his nether regions in a vice on national tv!
Note to self do not attempt to type after the seventh stella!
30 Aug 2013 21:59:56
I know we have not signed anyone which is ridiculously annoying but I must say I am very glad that Moyes has clearly highlighted central midfielders this window, as that has to be the one area we need improving before left back and the wings.
30 Aug 2013 21:50:18
Mourinho will bite every single title this season! The effect he has on this Chelsea is too much! These players leave everything on the pitch!
In a long run, even not playing attractive football, they'll be the main rivals!
Apart from the Super Cup. Obviously.
30 Aug 2013 21:50:02
Big red1 don't believe everything you read in the papers, it is designed to provoe. They have no idea what was said or why. It is easy to out "something in quotes" to make it sound authentic.
30 Aug 2013 21:34:30
Expect the signing of 2 midfielders to be announced in 24hrs with Fellaini one of them, then Everton had asked the Baines and Fellaini deals be separated so the Fellaini is the one under negotiation and imminent, so Baines could be a deadline deal together with a CB
30 Aug 2013 21:29:30
With mata on the bench again tonight and also missing out on the Spain squad would it be worthwhile to put a bid in now? He must be wondering what he has done wrong and if he would be better off somewhere else
Or if he's got anything about him he'll stay and fight for his place like a proper professional.
He has a knee injury and not a 100% right.
30 Aug 2013 21:27:13
i wudnt be suprised if levy was holdin bale bk 2 the last min so united will have little time to go 4 the likes of modric/ozil/ronaldo
He will probably go after the derby with arsenal.
30 Aug 2013 21:20:56
I remember when we went after pallister. Edwards thought they were asking too much in the end Edwards asked Fergie how much he wanted him. When told him he really wanted him they paid it. So we either really want someone or we don't. If we were talking tens of millions difference fair enough most of the time we are talking 4, 5 mil possibly more or less! I thought we didn't have a budget. I'm not saying I expect us to buy players all the time because we are spoilt and all that rubbish. But in the past we have paid top money to get the player most of the time recently we just insult the selliing club and give the player the impression we don't really want him. We have not got a massive budget because all the money gets swallowed up by you know who!
30 Aug 2013 21:11:24
Just read de Rossi has said he does not want to play for David Moyes, could this be a common theme
My point precisely, see below.
30 Aug 2013 20:54:35
It was reported few days ago tht woodward was in germany. what was he doing there we dint evn sign a new sponsership deal:)
30 Aug 2013 20:21:14
Is Pep all that as a manager? I can't make my mind up? Look at Jose; he won things with average teams by beating the (admittedly) better opposition tactically. Is Pep better as he has won things with a good team he inherited? He will be tested now he doesn't have the Spain team! He has to show his tactical nous! I remember Jose saying you don't have to have the ball to beat Barca. It will be interesting to see how Pep does against the big teams. He is undoubtably a great manager who I personally like and would love at OT by the way.It will take time as will Moyes!
Pep has an advantage now in that he has the pick of the leagues best talent with little opposition! Winning the league would be expected in Germany? If united and Chelsea were the only 2 'big teams' and united could always take Chelsea's stars or vise versa, would that make winning the league a big achievement? Or does anyone think Pep went where Jose wouldn't (or if he did then he had the better team?)
i'm not saying its true but its certainly interesting! Maybe Pep wants to catch Jose up with winning titles in different leagues? Germany with BM would be an easy one?
Watching the game, there's no doubt Jose gets his players playing for him! I think he'll go out to win the league without attractive football. He's just bought the players to get the job done, no matter what!
What are anyone else's thoughts?
Wait when did Jose win things with average teams?
Jose won when he hasn't had the best team. Nobody thought he would win the Champions League when managing Porto. Then he won with Inter and went through Barca to do it.
I see your point Ruud! Choose the wrong words. I meant he overachieved with Porto and Inter. Admit your point about average teams. Just wondered if Pep could do that. Apologies for any misunderstanding of my point!
Champions league - Porto
Champions league - inter ( not average but not the best by any stretch )
Complete rubbish. That porto team had 7 starters in the portuguese national team. You guys need to look at some facts before you anoint him as jesus christ.
The inter Team has 3 players who at the time were considered the best at their position in the world.
Some of you guys are suffering from what I call the grass is greener on the other side.
Their spending is about to reach 80 million pounds and more by the time this window is closed and that is JM to a tee, can't do it without spending a kings ransom. What did he win at Real in 3 years may I ask and how do you think fergie or Wenger would have done with that team.
City are the team to beat and if spurs gel they are a handful, don't worry about the loud mouth Mourinho.
I disagree shahram, Chelsea are very much the team to beat IMO.
31 Aug 2013 12:22:31
I think a lot have misread my post and its probably my fault for bad writing! Take 'average' out And replace with 'alleged inferior' opposition?!
Not sure who's the best manager and that was my question. It's meant to start an intelligent debate and banter?
This is a tame example, judging by the responses! People have a point to make but remember how you write a post is not how it is read! Stop the angry responses and we may actually benefit from this site again!
30 Aug 2013 19:42:14
Can't believe all the people on here saying just pay it!!
Stupid amounts bren quoted and we should just pay it?
Why change our principles the minute sir Alex leaves?
Nonsense all this jarg!
I think the issue is that we came in with a bid that was 6 million below the release clause. let's be honest, 6 million is nothing to a club like ours. Now had we have come in with a bid that was 10-15 million below the release clause, I highly doubt people would be saying ''just pay it''.
I would have to imagine (actually, I would hope) that our scouts and management are aware of release clauses (clearly not Fellaini's having said that) and also how other clubs do business. Bilbao have come out and said the way they do business is first a player must ask to leave and then the clause must be met. So the issue is that our management should have been aware of this, and if they were. why didn't they just offer the release clause amount?
I fear this is the kind of thing we'll have to get used to with Woodward; trying to bring commercial tactics into deals that require a bit more respect.
We need to pay top money for top players. All the other big clubs are why shouldn't we? Arsenal are living proof if u don't make big signings you don't win trophies
Baines, Fellaini & Ronaldo/Ozil/Fabregas BEFORE deadline!
OMG! looove it anniewithoutmakeup. you're showing real balls coming in a making that prediction this late - and sticking with it.
Beware though, you've seen the tongue lashings that DM and EW get. I can't imagine what will happen to you if you turn out to be a false prophet.
Hope you're right!
Annie,
It gets less convincing every time you say it, and it wasn't particularly believable the first time.
Well Annie
Fellaini and Baines is not exactly putting yourself out there on the ledge but the others are complete bs. Whoever your think is your reliable source, I recommend you stop listening to them.
I look forward to your long explanations after Monday and I am sure you will amuse us with some very proofed tales why things did not happen.
Annies not far out, Herrera in stead of Ozil, Fab or Ronny.
Looking at Baines stats, he's the the marquee signing! They truly are breathtaking
30 Aug 2013 19:41:49
Question. Not trying to offend
Mourinho has gone into Chelsea like a whirlwind and started his dismantling/rebuilding like a kid with a box of Lego
Now at the moment Wenger's struggling to get players in - Excuse "Nothing out there" - Utter nonsense
Also Moyes struggling to get anyone in - now I know there's the whole Woodward thing with offers well below.
But here's the thing, has anyone thought about these managers persona? Because neither give of good vibes, if you were a pro footballer earning top dollar who out of the 3 would you want to play for, I know where I'd go.
Ask Juan Mata where he would like to go?
Or, you could turn to Roberto Martinez who just recently got a team relegated, no?
How do you figure that re: Mourinho? Chelsea are playing the same formation they have for several years and have only signed 1 player who can be classed as "first team". Hardly a whirlwind mate.
Lol, must have hit a raw nerve there! Martinez or boring Moyes? Behave, Martinez got relegated because he had the balls to have a go with limited or no resources, Moyes was worse due to the fact he sat back on too many drawing games then lost those games for doing so, most evertonians blame him for failing to get into Europe, you lot need to grow up I asked a straight question, that question was do you think your lack of activity is down to Moyes persona?
If Mata wanted to leave he'd have put a transfer request in wouldn't he? Just like Rooney!
Half of the Madrid team hated Mourinho.
It is well documented that he gets all Buddy Buddy with the core of the team or the big personalities but he also neglects a lot of other players.
If you think players sign for managers your deluded. Players sign for Money/career/playing time etc and CLUB.
Who knows who's going to be manager at City sor Chelsea next couple of years . How many managers have City/Chelsea has last 10 years? Both current managers might only have 2 seasons at best.
AvitURS, my bro-in-law is a dyed in the wool Evertonian, and he always said that Everton owed the man so much. He goes to most games, and he said that this was how most proper Everton fans thought.
He kept you going as a credible outfit for years, on a limited budget, and got teams playing for him, whilst bringing young players through.
What he did getting you into Europe on those resources, was nothing short of a miracle.
Don't turn round now just because he's gone, and try to make out like you never really rated him anyway.
It just sounds bitter.
Ok so Rossi hasn't just turned Moyes down then? Says doesn't want to play for Moyes not doesn't want to play for united, says it all.
How old are you, wenger is one of the finest managers around. Let see how Jose does if he had very little money to spend for years due to clubs financial commitments and actually had to sell some of his better players.
This might not get posted as it has previously been submitted and not posted but abra has a holding company who can call in 850 million of credit on chelsea that needs to paid within 15 months, get your head around that mate.
Martinez will get you guys close to relegation in the next 24 months as he has no concept of how to defend.
If a manager gets you to a certain position on limited resources then that's a great achievement and from Moyes at the time it was, but after when he had the chances to go for it time after time and sat back defensively then lost along with the chance of Europe well that's bad management, Martinez win lose or draw at least he goes for it, and he's won more than Moyes ever will. Don't make me laugh by counting the shield.
Wenger? Money! That's something arsenal aren't short of, him and Moyes need a lesson from AVB I think, how many players have they signed?
Aviturs:
If you truly believe that A: we bid for Rossi and B: he turned the move down because of Moyes then you are a very stupid human being.
30 Aug 2013 19:17:36
So Sly are now reporting that Kondogbia has signed for Monaco! Moyes we need to know what is going on! No Thiago, No Eriksen, No Fabregas, No Felliani! What are you doing?
Kondogbia wasn't a target, remember just because you want a player doesn't mean moyes does. We will sign fellaini by Monday and we have bid for Herrera.
30 Aug 2013 19:07:36
Beware united fans that united are showing lack of transfer activity it means symptoms for either wenger fever or woodwards disease or carrollia (panic buy) the exact infection will be confirmed after september 1st 11 pm.
30 Aug 2013 19:05:24
We are the biggest club in England, we are the richest club in England, we need a world class centre mid, and if we need to pay big money, then no problem. There are so many players we could buy, and they would improve the squad and the team. We need to try to sign the best players around, whether they are available or not. Bale was not available, but Madrid signed him, (probably). Gotze was not available, but Bayern signed him. Last year, Martinez was not available, but Bayern signed. They signed some of the best young players around, and we need to replicate that and sign some of the best talents too. There must be no messing around now. There are so many players that would improve us massively, Oezil, Kroos, Fabregas, Modric, Marchisio, Gundogan, Cabaye, Khedira, Lars Bender, Song, Vidal, Sven Bender, Fellaini, Sandro. We need to sign the best players to improve the team as much as possible no matter the cost. After all we are the richest club in England. Now I am not saying we need to go and buy five big name players every season for huge money, merely that we need to sign one or two top class players each summer to improve the team, and then supplement that with players from the academy and young English players from the other leagues to keep that English core to the team.
Gilly I don't know if you noticed but we are paying off the debts of a family who have never put one single penny of their own money into the club.
I second that Gilly. Could not agree more. Chill though mate, they'll be signings before Tuesday. I think we'll meet Herrera's buy out & I can see Fellaini coming too. Not sure about Baines but I think we could manage with Evra for one more year. Although sending Buttner on loan makes me think Baines is close.
Fellaini's agent spotted at carrying ton.i really hope he isn't our only signing.i simply don't rate him. Blackpool Red
Hey Gilly, simply put we are not the richest club in england we are not even richest in manchester. Say what u will about sugar daddys ruining the game but fact is its become part of our game. I for one would be happy for our new manager to stick his neck out and sign 2/3 of his highly scouted talents and make a decision, i'd also be happy with a couple of superstars(fab, modric) I suppose my point is i'd like our new chief to make a decision either way and stop beating around this rather large bush which has grown around carrington
Kloot you will be telling us all next that they have been taking money out as well and buying mansions for there offspring :)
31 Aug 2013 05:29:20
We are the biggest club in England generating ever increasing amounts of revenue but we all know where the vast majority of that money goes, and it's not into strengthening the team. I think our era of dominance is ending and, considering our worldwide appeal and commercial might, I find this absolutely disgusting! {Ed044's Note - The majority of revenue goes in to running the club. Seemingly you know nothing about the financial aspects of the business at all.}
30 Aug 2013 18:43:54
Just read an earlier post hinting that maybe we should concentrate more on developing our youth rather than taking in established players, having a couple of barren years then when we have young players ready to step up to the mark we will be successful again.
Well there's a couple of things I think of this
Success of a football club is not cyclical, for over two decades we were knocking at doors and all we could end up with was domestic cups we were miles of winning championships.It was a painful time as we were the butt of fans of other clubs jokes but it was the love, belief and values that kept us going.
During the sixties seventies and eighties there was very little money around hence the reason the clubs relied so heavily on young players coming thru the ranks.
Unfortunately this is not the case any more, football has sadly become a business it is not a sport any longer.People now buy shares in clubs to make money not for the love of the club or the game, hence why we have the owners that we have.
It has got to the stage that you have to spend on established players to continue your success, just think of what would happen to Moyes and the Glazers if they came out with a statement saying that we are not going to buy anyone for a couple of years but we we give our youth a chance, even it means we will have a few barren years, all hell would break loose.
The acadamey is a success as it is allowing the club to develop kids and then when some don't make it we sell and make a profit.
I for one am all for giving our kids a chance but at the same time we need to remain at the top of the tree hence the need to continously buy good footballers where ever they come from, I would hate us to be mid table team again. Sorry for the long post hope it makes some sense.
Thank you for the post!
There're few people here that think that its okay for United to stay "okay".
You hear people always talking that we're the best team in the planet but they seem to forget that the only way you keep this title for generations is by having World star players and win major trophies.
The next generation will choose other teams ahead of us if we keep avoiding the CL!
Im sorry to be constantly negative but rubbish needs changing. The fans are putting endless money into the greatest team in the world. For that, you expect a return - ie - adding to that team./
Fellaini can do a job. Baines can do a job. Nobody? Cross those digits and pray we havnt been shafted.
30 Aug 2013 18:42:56
I can't believe people are blaming Moyes, Woodward or even the Glazer's for the situation we find ourselves in. Crazy!
I place the blame at one man's feet and one man only, David De Gea. The moment he wrote that scrawled message on a ball to Thiago we were doomed, it's been downhill ever since!
I say it's time to move on DDG, he's a jinx.
I agree. Not like he's a a world class GK in the making ;-)
What are u on about mate? Sarcasm is funny when used well but that comments just plain annoying.
Galway with a sense of humour bypass. Don't worry gav I still think you are funny!
Sorry GALWAY, I shall hone my sarcasm skills for next time. Didn't mean to annoy you, lol.
Those boys from the west are very temperamental.
MAYO (green +) RED lol
30 Aug 2013 18:18:32
Can't help but think that if bids aren't accepted today there'll be no time to get medicals and contracts done by deadline. Got a busy weekend and a huge match so Moyes has to be focused on the game. Is he going to leave it up to Ed? God help us.
U can finalise a deal with one minute left on the clock-pending a medical.
Berbatov fee was agreed at about 11pm on deadline day, don't worry.
30 Aug 2013 17:56:05
it seems every bid we put in gets rejected. every headline reads 'United have bid for a player rejected'.
i can only assume Eddy Woodward has a conversation with other clubs along the lines of:
Ed: 'hi how much you want for your player'?
other club: 'we want £20 mil'
Ed: 'will you take £17 mil'?
other club: 'no, go away'!
The irony of a self-appointed "Del Boy" criticizing a bit of "wheeling and dealing". Quality.
Would like to point out, I'm not defending Woodward here (he's definitely a tw@), just appreciating the irony.
Mon dieu, Mange Tout Rodney!
The Derrick Trotter school of Wheeling and Dealing ;)
I think the trouble is we are starting to reek a bit of desperation, so therefore teams are asking well over what they would normally ask.
I think if we had managed to sign fabregas or thiago it would have put us in a much stronger position to sign other players, as the teams of the players we are interested in, wouldn't be looking at us, as if we are desperate to sign them. That's why Everton want a ridiculous amount for Fellaini and baines IMO.
Haha, that didn't even occur to me when I wrote that!
What a plonker!
This time next year.
He who dares wins boys, he who dares wins.
30 Aug 2013 17:49:16
People here obviously have right to vent their frustrations and we obviously all enjoy reading and sharing our opinions but I've got to say even if we don't sign anyone I think we will be fine in the epl but will struggle in Europe.now I can handle this as we've a whole new backroom so to an extent it could be deemed acceptable.
However I'm becoming embarassed with how we seem to be doing business as of late. We've been flat out rejected on all the top talent we have gone for and I feel its not because the players do not want to come to us its because we are been cheap and insulting to other clubs with stupid below value offers. I mean teams like everton, not winning anything, not in Europe and with a new relegation friendly manager basically telling us where to go as a result of our cheap offers. I would love to know if we are being strung along or is woody just a cheap skate glazer puppet.
30 Aug 2013 17:25:06
Sell rooney and get ozil.
Is it three weeks ago already?
200k -250k p/w says it all
Funny that, he was your best player against Chelsea.
Funny that he tried for the first time in 18months. ill judge him the next 5 games, he was always going to try in that game he had a lot to prove. One good game don't mean shi5 yet
No he wasn't AvitURS. You could give that accolade to any one of our central defenders or central midfielders.
30 Aug 2013 17:24:36
I'm a little dissappointed thiago is injured for tonight's match with chelsea, would have been interesting to see him play at a high level in a very competitive match. Also would have been interesting to see if he actually made the starting 11. Thoughts anyone?
I lost interest in Thiago a few months back mate. Good luck to him.
30 Aug 2013 16:38:36
Cash in on Rooney and we'll have funds for ozil.he wants away anyway.
We have the funds, the problem is trying to get the players to come.
"We have the funds" - allegedly.
There's nothing alleged here mate. United are a leading worldwide sports brand. We ooze cash. (Even with our current 'debt')
30 Aug 2013 16:34:13
Please don't say we have bid for de Rossi. 30 years of age no prem experience and is no where near as good as what we have now.
'No where near as good as what we have now' I'm sorry I agree with the age thing but that has to be the dumbest thing i've ever read on this site
De rossi is world class wow to say he's no where near as good as what we have now what silly comment to make.
De Rossi is world class. Would welcome him with open arms.
De Rossi is still one of the best midfielders in the world, he can easily do the job along side Carrick for atleast 3-4 years.
Age isn't a factor any more mate.
Lol. De Rossi nowhere near as good as what we have now?
Carrick, our best midfielder, is not as good as De Rossi. cleverley and Anderson are not in the same league as him.
Daniele de Rossi is a brilliant player. He's just turned 30 and is in the prime of his career. Would be an unbelievable signing and I heard he is available for less than £20m thought not sure if that part is true.
As for the him not being better than what we have, you can't be serious. Anderson, Cleverley or de Rossi? Hmmm.
Not such a hard choice.
You are joking right?
Dream team
You better watch what your saying mate, 30 in his prime?
Christ Baines at 29, WS at 27, And a few others are over the hill on here at their ages ;)
De Rossi is not class.
And in his prime at 30? Hmmm
I would rather play Jones where he would play. Maybe lacks the passing but he's young and can only get better. And Jones is much more physical than an old overated 30 year old
I think you're trying to wind us up OP, that's the only explanation. Either that or you just haven't got a clue!
Your prime is usually 27-31, and he's playing a position that doesn't require much pace so he could easily do that role at the top of his game until he's around 33, so yes he's in his prime. just look at Carrick and RVP, both in their 30's and playing the best football of their lives.
30 Aug 2013 16:11:08
I think we should just have a go a getting ozil even though he said he wants to stay at Madrid I dunno if they will want him when bale arrives. He's a great technical player and can pick a pass and is a full international. I think he's just what we need
30 Aug 2013 16:07:05
Banter please Ed.
Fellaini - fee agreed, Everton chasing McCarthy as replacement.
Baines - Unable to agree on valuation, which currently is holding up the 'joint move', Everton have Oviedo to replace Baines.
Herrera - bid rejected as under buy out clause (as per usual this summer) rumours are we will go and meet buy out clause so then up to the player to ask to leave as stated by Bilbao.
Fabregas - bid rejected, player happy at Barca.
As for other 'targets' I don't think we have moved for them with any intent as Moyes said its a small group of top players we are looking at.
Expect all three or none of Fellaini, Baines and Herrera. Again as Moyes said they're working hard on business but possibly none will happen.
Fingers crossed guys!
Hope you are right. Mostly sounds believable to me, though I wouldn't have a clue whether we have agreed a fee for Fellaini or whether we will return for Herrera at the full price. I do think we had a small list of players though and this is how it seems to have panned out. Finger's crossed we bring in at least 1 or 2.
30 Aug 2013 15:46:28
Yawn
Please wake me when the Transfer window is over and EUFA or whoever please put us all out of our pain and do away with the transfer window all together.
Its more like a game of Poker now rather than a transfer window where teams are holding back selling until the last possible moment to stop a domino affect.
The window should start after the last games of a season then end before the 1st games of the next season. If that happened and FFPR was actually implemented effectively there would be no more shenanigan's like waiting to unsettle a player at the start of a season or paying enough money to buy the world with for Gareth Bale, which then inflates the market for all other teams.
Unfortunately common sense will never prevail!
30 Aug 2013 15:44:55
is Ander Herrera aswell as fellaini or instead of as he plays as a deeper lying midfielder, hence his low goal and assist rate, he's more involved in build up play and likes a tackle, can't see Fellaini, Herrera and Carrick in the same team.
I wouldn't say he "likes" a tackle. He is a deeper player yes, but still a playmaker. He is very similar to Fabregas in his Arsenal days imo.
Against utd he made plenty of tackles and broke our play up
30 Aug 2013 15:43:57
So reports we have had a second bid for fellaini turned down followed by reports we have bid for herrera .
So have we turned to Herrera after not being able to agree a deal for fellaini or are we after them both.
Right now seems that we're trying any player that can improve.
I am completely confused by all of this. These can not be long term plans given the late nature of the bids. It seems like a little bit of fire fighting to me.
30 Aug 2013 15:35:53
Are we for once going to bid an amount which the selling club is actually asking for?
I mean how much difference is 4-5 million going to make for Man United over a period of 1-2 yrs?
30 Aug 2013 15:31:00
Right I've tried keeping my mouth shut all summer, I've supported United for 40 years now for those of you who don't understand what it is to be a football supporter not just a united supporter here we go.
Like everything else football is swings and roundabouts lads, we have dominated since 93 it will end eventually that's life, what we have always dine though is relied on our youth policy, for those of you who can't remember the 70's and 80's we were crap properly crap, the scousers where top dogs, some of you need to understand that.
I read this everyday and apart from a few you're so negative its untrue, the same people who are constantly whinging about signings ate the same people who rave about our youth coming through, how are they supposed to come through when we buy every season a young foreign player and block our own lads, does pogba ring a bell, so lighten up and support the club, if we spiral into the championship and even into the confrence ill still be there WILL YOU.
If it means a couple of years of nothing the back to winning ways the traditional united way with homegrown players then all the better in my opinion, rant over.
Maybe that's why Athletic Bilbao are never in the running to win the La Liga.
Another man who's jib I like the cut of.
StevieK
Stevie
I recall 1970 and just before and then there were some saying watch our youth come through. I remember Sammy McIlroy being touted as our next great but wasn't. If you like I went through the seventies and eighties then I am surprised you are not worried that from a position of power we could let it slide in one window. They are all out there rubbing their hands in glee to see us slide and if we accept that and think don't worry it won't happen to us then we become what my fear is, Liverpool 1990 and it will come good next year. In the seventies they called us the going to team the team that was going to win it next year. Once you accept a slide it is hard to recover and having suffered 26 years of pain I don't accept the club sitting back not spending so our debts can be paid off a bit quicker.
This window it was vital we spent well or face a potential slide, after all in my 45 years of supporting I have seen the warning signs and so should you have done.
Again I will wait until the window closes to judge but the owners have no excuses any more
Amen to that stevie. Good post mate
We have been completely spoilt with the success we have had over the past twenty years and there are so many supporters who have never experienced what it is to go through the grinder like some of us older ones have.
Sustained success can only ever be achieved if a club can regularly produce some of its own talent who truely understand what it the club is all about.
Rubbish. we lost Pogba because Fergie was to stubborn and wouldn't play him.
He insisted in playing a 39 year old Ryan Giggs and a 37 year old Paul Scholes who are way past there best.
What was Pogba supposed to do, wait another two years until Giggs and Scholes retire.
The fact of the matter is that we are desperate for midfileders and have been for 3-4 seasons now.
All we are asking is that we sign a player for the position that we are desperate for, there is nothing coming though the youth that is good enough to step up to the first team in that cenmtal midfield area.
I was born in the 80's so can't remember them. been supporting United since I was 12 really, so yes I've been spoiled with the success. Dad is a Port Vale fan, and I went a few times as a kid so watching Vale as a kid its true I know very little about football.
I freely admit I would not travel down from Scotland (where I now live) as often if we were conference. As for developing young players I could not agree more, but I think that's more down to managers fear of failure than supporters.
I really hope that Zaha and Janujaz get plenty of game time this year, they need it to develop. Sadly I fear they will not.
Now back to transfers. We all have players we would love to see at United. Surely as a rumour/banter site this is a good place to share them. Do I believe that Vidal is a better player than Ronaldo? no. Do I believe would be a better signing for us than Ronaldo? yes. because he fills the position we have been missing for at least 5 years. Anyone watching Spanish football last year had to be impressed with Alcantara's control and passing. and I'm a big fan of Baines so these 3 would have been ideal for me. We have signed none of the above so far I'll be at Liverpool on Sunday. Hope you will too.
Steve
We are all to a man moaning about our CM the same moan that has grumbled on here for 8 and almost 9 windows since our first spanking by Barcelona.
Now since then 1 cmer in pogba has came through that could play for our first team and make a difference but SAF stubbornness and other reasons led him to leave, not because we were signing new players instead of playing him (I'm not counting scholes).
So here we are with a new manager who has already said himself the midfields light and still no youth cmers knocking on the door and also amateurish bids and transfer sagas that have taken stupidly too long and we are 3 days from no reinforcement in the area games are won and lost, again.
There are endless names who could improve our cm and it is needed now! We cannot wait any longer for a youth teamed who will be 3-4 years away from helping us!
Redman, I appreciate that mate, but it's not the end of the world if we don't win something for a season or two. It may seem like it to some of the spoilt little princesses on here, but we've been through much, much worse as a club, which I think was one of the poster's points.
The world won't end on Mon 2nd September, unless there's some correlation in the stars I don't know about, and we'll carry on challenging for titles, with or without new faces, because that's what we do.
Some on here have this fear of doing a Liverpool. We are not Liverpool - we never had the Spice Boys, we have an ethos of team spirit, fighting for everything and trusting our youth, that is ingrained in the fabric of the club.
Id just ask you to take a step back and have a cold, hard look at some of the hysterical rantings on this site lately, and try and appreciate why some of us despair at the type of fans we seem to attract.
Mate, one window is not the be all and end all, and it will not start some domino-effect descent into mid-table mediocrity.
And even if it did, which I think was another of the poster's points, well, we'd just carry on supporting them as always, take the abuse on the chin and with a bit of class, unlike that Scouse mob, because we know it used to be much worse. And we'd come back again for more.
After all, and I know you wouldn't think it to hear the likes of Simmo below and the rest of the 'sky is going to fall in' crowd, it's really not the be all and end all in life.
I love this club as much as anyone, but there really are much more important things in life to be shouting and frothing at the mouth about.
That's not meant to sound patronising to you Redman, because you're one of the posters I take the time to read, but some people on here are obviously still quite young, and maybe don't have their own families etc, so football is still the centre of their universe. And it shows in their posts. I used to feel like that too.
Others have joined our club from much further afield, and sometimes they can be even more fanatical than the home-grown fans (I include myself in home-grown, KLOOT, by the way, even though I'm from Ulster!)
I guess I just want everyone to quit with the moaning and just enjoy supporting the club.
I would worry more about what the Glazer's are doing to our club, than any transfer window.
ps. this wasn't meant to go on this long :)
Spot on simmo, why let ourselves fall down the table, just so we can say "We did it our way". I take it Stevie that you didn't enjoy any of the success we've enjoyed in recent years? And if we were to fall down the table would the talented youth be attracted by us anymore, or would they see city or chelsea a better option? We don't want to become a feeder club. We have been struggling in midfield for years and have no real prospects for cm in the youth team. So let's just spend some of the money that SAF has pretty much single handedly generated for this great club over the past 20 years and continue to be great for years. And by the way I'm only 27 so don't remember us in the 70s, but that doesn't mean in not a true football fan. And YES of course I would support the team regardless of what league we were in, and I find it very disrespectful for you to make any kind of assumptions about what "kind" of fan any of us are. Who's to say your a bigger fan than we are just because your older?
Stevie k thanks for understanding my rant mate, I'm not belittling any fellow supporters or daying I'm better because i'm older, I'm saying we have 4 or 5 young players coming through who given playing time could be the answer to our problems, no need to block their way by spending million on foreign players when we have the talent already here, let's be patient coach them, play them and win with them, after all we proved you can win things with kids, the squad will keep competing at the top, while we nurture our own players.
In short be patient, and of course I want our dominance to continue but if we have to sacrifice a couple of years, not 20, then so be it
I'm sorry, mate, but you'll find that sort of reasonable, sensible, long-term attitude, cuts little ice around here.
We're living in a world of 15 second soundbites, and in a society who want it all. Yesterday.
Fair enough I understand where your coming from but I just don't think our youth in particular positions is good enough, especially cm. I think we wil have a great striker in lingard, a great winger in janujaz, a great am in Powell and defence is already sorted in rafael jones, Evans, smalling, and I have to say I like butner too if he could improve defensively, however cm there is no one coming through, and the first team midfielders are just not strong enough. So all in all I think we are good enough throughout the team except that one position.
Steviegee
As long as the kids are good enough, the class of 92 were truly exceptional but also when they were introduced to the first team they enjoyed significant brilliant top quality surrounding them. Right now our core quality in Rio, Vidic and Carrick are aged beyond 30 so there would be a huge emphasis on the kids coming in, far more than 1995, far more pressure.
It is why I believe we need top quality in two positions and then let the kids grow into the team.
I understand the older supporters frustrations I have been to OT since I
was 5), however as much as I'm completely with you on the patience and support etc, its reads as patronising to the younger ones (only
my thoughts). Completely agree that we have a youth policy and we are in a better position than most clubs. We have a few outstanding youth players and they need to see they can break through. This may have influenced who our targets are! Either way, like I've said before let's get behind the team and moan on 2nd September if we have to! let's remember that united want the right person for the club. I remember an ed saying Lamela brought baggage or trouble. We want the right players for the club, regardless of talent. Look at what Balotelli did to city. Ill be optimistic and hopefull of a signing or two but let's just get behind the team for Liverpool!
Adz
Horserubbish mate. Absolute horserubbish.
We give young uns a chance and you comment on Pogba? the lad who woudlve solved our 20million plus worries with a wage increase yet he was sat behind a newly 'awesome' Scholes and a 40yr old Giggs?
Honestly felsy you're either a Glazer puppet or the most deluded fan on the planet. Get your tiny swede out of that deep, wet sand.
Seriously bro, start thinking of your own accord. All our rivals are strengthening while we stand still with a huge portion of dudes who aren't worthy of the title winning red shirt. Ask yourself, you loyal United fan. which of the following would've touched a winning MU Team.
Nani
Anderson
Cleverly
Carrick (despite his performances its a poor mans Keane)
Young
Ill as **** Fletcher
Scholes out of retirement
Alll GOOD players, but come on, son. Grow a pair and admit, we have been unable to or refused to, strengthen perhaps the most important part of a team for 4years now. It's getting ridiculpus, when you see the way Spurs, for example, have done so without breaking the bank.
30 Aug 2013 15:18:24
What I find baffling is that we have bid 25 and 30m for cesc and didn't pay the 23+m for Fellaini yet come in with a straight 25m for Herrera? Are they really saying that they thought we could prize cesc from barca at the same cost o getting Herrera from Bilbao? The money men putting these bids together are needing shot! Jesus Christ!
If we know his release clause is 30m and are willing to pay 25 wtf is the point in trying to save 5m and run the risk of losing another player?!
Only reasoning would be to push barca into buying for 30 and then cesc asks to leave but that's very very unlikely!
Or Jono, perhaps it is the opposite of this.
Maybe Herrera was always the preferred target and he now very publically knows that Fabregas will not leave Barca so that Herrera's possibility of any first team football is practically nil.
If Herrera therefore wants to leave for a bigger club where does he go?
I'm not saying that's what I believe i'm just throwing out there mate
With that attitude towards money there's no way you're Scottish? ;)
HB
It's not mine haha
CAM
Possible mate but likely we would have went straight for him after the season start and fabs statement of staying?
30 Aug 2013 15:10:58
the way we are conducting our business is disrespectful and unprofessional. I will continue to support the new regime but I can't help but wonder if SAF endorses our current transfer mentality? Just pay up.
30 Aug 2013 15:07:34
The Herrera rumour is the first thing that's going to bring out a negative from me.
What did Bayern pay for Thiago, probably the midfield player with the most potential in Spanish under 21's.?
We pass on him when let's be honest could have signed him, wait for someone else to to grab him then offer more money for another midfield player (from the same club)who clearly didn't want to leave.
Now we are looking to spend much more on Herrera, don't get me wrong he looks good but we could have had better.
Why didn't we buy Thiago and Fellaini right nr the start and have done with it.
Can't see many united fans update with that business.
The Irony is that the penny pinching is going to end up costing us more.
Bad business strategy.
Still 70 hours or so left you never know.
Thiago chose Bayern. What don't people understand about that? He WANTED to play for pep.
I agree
Is Ed Woodward any relation to Arsene Wenger?
I would hate to be in a pub with either of them neither would be first to the bar and even when they got there I bet they would have a tap water.
Its a no brainer steady Eddie, at this time of the transfer window pay the release amount or do us all a favour and release yourself.
We didn't pass on Thiago, he wanted to go to Bayern to play Pep who regaurds as a father figure. Pep also wanted him, he's been quoted as saying Thiago is the only player he wanted!
United we stand
If Moyes lied about when he said that we didn't bid for Thiago, it means that is lying all this 2 past months right?
So, let's just put to bed all this BS that we're always after Great Players then and just sit and wait for the 2nd of September.
Tiago's agent is Pep's brother. This is one of the reasons the German football press and fans were totally pissed off with Pep after it was ' revealed' It looked like a bit of cash flow for the Guardiola family and the whole Utd deal was a cover. Bayern don't really need thiago. Plus thr Bayern fans are furious to see sweinsteiger on the bench.
jomo
UWS
So brah, should we accept that even though we earn more money than any other European club (through the pockets of the fans, no less). that we should give in because other clubs are more attractive? drop the 'biggest club in the world' rubbish, its a massive lie if that's the case/ The big news this summer will be anew sponsorship with (insert stinking rich Yank company) and Januzaj signing a 2yr deal only to be forced to play every 10 games/ Pathetic/ Get those red blinkerd off boys and protest against what's slowly becoming the thing we made fun of. Arsenal.
30 Aug 2013 15:03:06
I'm a bit worried about the news today regarding the Herrera bid. If this was the start of the summer most wouldn't be happy to spend potentially 36 million euros on a player who doesn't even have an international cap. Especially when players like strootman, modric, paulinho and thiago were available for much cheeper. Even that amount of money bid for players like gundogan, marchisio, mata, ozil, kroos, dembele, vidal, khedira, bender, gustavo, sandro would make teams think twice about selling.
I think Moyes is panicking.
Very good post and you have to wonder what is going on with Mr. Woodward. Most people forget Moyes will have nothing to do with the deal.
if we were pay his clause of 36 million you have to question who else would be available for those kind of numbers and if we are doing a nani anderson type purchase that when we look back it money poorly spent.
What dembele, erickson(soon to go) went for makes you wonder why we are not bidding for these players.
I said several weeks ago that nobody wants to join us and that will at the last minute panic and go in for Fellaini.
Something he should have done 7 weeks ago
30 Aug 2013 15:00:20
Someone help me out. Is Herrera any good? I know he played well against Utd a few years back but is he the player we're looking for? Especially at €36million?
Cheers
If we buy him, people will say how amazing he'll be, but the truth, he just made 1ass and scored 2 goals last season. Maybe he contribute in different ways on the pitch.
But last season him and the team we're below a par.
30 Aug 2013 14:50:22
Just watched the moyes press conference on tele and media asked him if Manchester United have bid for herera, he tried to keep a straight face but said he would comment as bids are between the clubs. it appears that we have made a bid.
Moyes was also asked about baines and fellaini and again he was tight lipped
30 Aug 2013 14:43:51
Moyes press conference suggests we will buy. Must admit he really plays the media well, just hope he isn't playing US as well. Personally I can see it being a very busy day Monday as the targeted players' clubs will bite the bullet and sell as they may feel its a missed opportunity otherwise. If Moyes is being truthful, I say expect 3 names to come in, if not, zero I'm afraid and although I do have confidence in what we have, I think we will struggle from Christmas onwards
Then we could just buy in January?
30 Aug 2013 14:43:26
Exactly what I said RE. Kagawa -
His agent has said "Shinji will currently not be leaving Manchester United, he wants to fight for his place."
"He didn't have a full pre-season & still have training deficit. That's why, until now, he has won hardly any playing time."
30 Aug 2013 14:42:13
Maybe we should do a exchange deal with Spurs.Daniel Levy for Ed Woodward + 10 million.
Classic! ;)
Levy is the owner and chairman of Spurs. {Ed007's Note - Apart from being Tottenham's chairman Daniel Levy is a managing director of ENIC which is owned by Joe Lewis MB. He is merely an employee of ENIC/Spuds.}
Levy will take the Bale transfer down to the wire because he knows we and Arsenal are waiting to cherry pick some of Madrid's players
Thanks for that Mumbai. He is also bald, or so I hear.
Thanks for that info ED.
Although I do agree with the original poster in the sense that Levy has done a stellar job at using the money available at the club.
HoneyBadger he is bald, you have heard correctly. :)
30 Aug 2013 14:28:07
Look guys u really need to read into the 'buy-out' clause in spain! Its a lot more complicated than u think, i.e tax's.
If we bid the amount his clause is then have to pay 55% tax on top, ctaking it to a whopping £55m without wages.
I just read up on it, interesting stuff.
This is from an article from a few years ago but is still true today.
Now most clubs are saying: this is the buyout clause, sure, but if you make a hostile bid, a bid that we do not welcome, we will force you to apply the clause legally. And when you apply the law legally, that is a different issue. When you apply the law legally, it is a different price.
That means one of two things, both of which increase the price. Firstly, it can mean adding the VAT at 18 percent. In the past, clubs have agreed to include VAT in the invoice for a player's transfer (which of course can be claimed back from the state). Now, if the bid is hostile, they will not. In other words, the buying club will have to pay the clause plus the 18 percent. So, Aguero's price rises from €45M to €53.1M ($72M).
The other option is for a club to simply refuse to sell -- until, that is, it is forced to. That's where the legal buyout clause kicks in, Decreto Real 1006/1985. But that decree is exactly what it says it is: a buyout clause. A player (not the club) deposits the money, the value of the buyout clause, at the Spanish league and unilaterally breaks his contract. That money, of course, would be given to him by the buying club in order to buy himself out. The problem is that as soon as that money hits his account it counts as income -- even if it is then deposited elsewhere. And so it is liable to taxation at 44 percent. In other words, the €45M is the amount left after taxation. That is to say that Aguero's overall cost is €80.2M ($109M).
But hey, it's not our money. Buy him anyway, I say! And the rest of them!
31 Aug 2013 00:56:54
A release clause is different though. I would take the advice Ed02 gave us some time ago and not get hung up in the clauses.
Basically its a way of putting up a valuation for a player in case of a release clause and a way of protecting asset value in case of a buyout clause.
They will be powerless if the player wants to leave and the release clause is met or so I believe.
30 Aug 2013 14:25:14
This transfer window has been terrible for us whatever you agree or disagree.
Supporting United for over 20 years now and really can I say the team we are building now can challenge for the Champions League? Not a chance.
We have lost out on top players this summer that could of made a huge difference and now we find our self panic buying at the end of the window.
Ander Herrera, really is this kid our answer? 1 goal and 2 assist last season in a league that leaks goals and we are going to drop 36 million euro's.
Compare ourself to Chelsea, Spurs and City, they have invested well and have a great squad to compete in all the competitions.
I hope come Monday at midnight I am proven wrong and we have invested wisely.
Jobby.
Other than RVP, this is the same squad who has challenged in the CL for the past 2 years.
Our record has not been good over that time, so don't expect anything this season
30 Aug 2013 14:22:19
So Martinez has gone back to Wigan to enquire about McCarthy! ain't this the same guy whos been slating Moyes and utd for chasing Moyes old Everton players?
talk about call pot kettle black. plus all the everton fans been on here saying we're out of order! bunch of .
30 Aug 2013 16:48:12
pot and kettle? if martinez bids 5mil and then states the club are holding him back then you can talk.
30 Aug 2013 14:17:05
This is just comical now. does Woodward not understand what a buy out/release clause means?
It's obvious Moyes wants the player, they bid 30 million plus for him for christ sake will just pay the money what the buy out/release clause says.
I just cannot believe how bad this guy is making us look.
This guy is an imbecile, for the sake of 5 and a half million Euros another target goes begging.
I honestly give up now, I can't take anymore of this crap.
30 Aug 2013 14:08:40
I don't understand this herera rumour (would love him at united) surely if an offer was put forward then tv would be all over it?
Jple23
Hope this is true good player and would fit in well
I am a little surprised that the English press have been so slow to pick up on this - but by all accounts it looks as though we have put in a bid.
30 Aug 2013 14:07:07
So we had bid rejected for herrera. Have heared lot of him but not seen him much. ed/posters can u explain what kind of player is he and if we do sign him wil he block kagawa or he is a different player all together.
Much different decent defensively I suppose box to box would best describe him though he certainly does not have an engine like Vidal, though very few do.
He is a deeper player than Kagawa. More of a Fabregas type when he was at Arsenal.
He is a Cm'er, completely different to Kagawa who plays in the hole.
Most probably will take TC23's position in the team and although he is an upgrade to TC23, my view is that he is not worth nowhere near the 30 million euro fee, let alone 36. Also they also did say that the player must also tell them that he wants to leave as they are not money motivated and they will not negotiate.
He's a decent young player by all accounts. His passing is good and he does have an eye for a killer pass; but I wouldn't expect him to inhibit Kagawa's chances. He tends to play as a traditional CM rather than in an advanced position but does often make his way up the pitch with a driving run or two. He's not afraid to have a shot or two but this isn't his strongest area.
In summary; I don't think he'd add the muscle we need in the middle of the park but is likely being looked at as a long term replacement for Carrick.
I will be honest and say I have not seen much of him but from what I have seen he is an out and out Fabregas type of player. Central midfielder, pass and move, able to keep possession ticking over in tight areas, always wants the ball, first time long through balls, first time finishes arriving late, that kind of player.
A little bit like a mobile Alonso type, can sit there and dictate play and pass it around very mobile and good engine on him. I watch the spanish league quiet a bit and he is lot better than what we have(excluding carrick) and De Marcos is another good player that we should look at.
30 Aug 2013 14:05:55
I don't believe United will meet the asking price for herrera as I think it's just another attempt to show the support of United that we 'TRIED'.Hope i'm proved wrong and we go that extra mile and at last a quality signing arrives.
That is getting a bit boring now to be honest, we are clearly looking to buy players, all season tickets have been sold, there is no conspiracy.
There is no asking price Bilbao is a special club in a way, that they only have players from the basque region of Spain. The player has to literally has to buy his way out of the club from what I understand.
Moyes needs to make signings after all the talk this summer - simple as.
United didn't release the details, Athletic did, so I don't see no conspiracies here!
"so I DON'T see NO conspiracies here!"
Hmmmm, double bluff eh? :)
Not at all,
sorry if it had a double meaning to it
I know, sorry DJ. I'm in a silly mood - got that Friday feeling!
30 Aug 2013 13:50:33
Dont want to bring more moaning to the circus. I just hope Ed Woodward learning something this summer.
If the De Rossi rumour is true, that he turn us down, I really don't blame him.
This kind of player need to be court and feel wanted. You don't try to get them on the cheap as plan E, F or G!
The man (Ed) look a good buisness man, but like some poster point out the football world doens't work like that.
Very difficult to stay positive and behave this summer. Never mind if we don't sign anybody, but Ed Woodward need to re-think the way he does buisness and stop make mockery of this great club we love. I fear some club don't appreciate his way of negociation.
One more thing, I like the fact we try for the young Herrera. Maybe its me over thinking but it could be great factor to keep De Gea when big Real and Barca came for him in couple of years.
Cheers everyone, sorry for my poor english and I wish you all good game vs Liverpool
JLBER21
30 Aug 2013 13:41:21
So yet again we get a bid rejected for a player.
And this is all down bidding less than the player is valued.
What a joke this transfer window has been.
Woody wood pecker and moyes don't have a clue.
Just pay the money and get the player and stop penny pinching
Agreed. apparently we bid £26 mill and they'll sell at £31 mill.
at this stage of the transfer window we just need to pay the extra cash and get the deal done
Bilbao is notorious for being a very difficult club to negotiate with. They almost have no business sense and it is a club that is run and ethnicity. Lorientes had similar issues and ended up having to sit on the bench for a year before he could leave on a free.
I thin we have left it too late to get this deal done unless we are willing to pay a lot more. The issue is they will generally ask the player to buy himself out of a contract and that has tax issues involved which makes the del even more expensive.
Bayern had similar issues with the Martinez bid last year.
Don't be a muppet Moyes has no say on the financial side of the dealings.
30 Aug 2013 13:29:32
The Herrera news is interesting. now I'll be honest, I've seen hardly any of him but have heard good things! Gut feeling says he would appear to be a good signing, but it does feel as if we're getting a little worried. Not to say that we've whored ourselves around. but this will be the 3rd bid for a midfielder that we know about (Fabregas and Fellaini the others of course). My point is that we need to get our transfer policy in order before next year. making bids public is just down right silly! Bilbao have absolutely no obligation to negotiate with us given the fact we've been so public with apparently having unlimited funds and the large bid for Fabregas. Is Herrera worth 36 million euros? Probably not. but if we get him, that's what we'll pay unfortunately!
I'd probably stick a 55 million euro bid for Herrera and Munian, maybe include a loan deal or one of our fringe players (Macheda, Bebe or maybe even Anderson). However I do think Munian has a pretty high release clause too (but I do always remember Ed02 saying not to read too much into release clauses). Anyway, thoughts?
Muniain was poor last season. I know he is still young; but the amount he would cost would represent a big risk.
If there was some way we could snag him and Herrera for E55M, I'd say go for it - but given they want E36M for Herrera I find it unlikely they would take E19M for Muniain - regardless of him being poor last season.
We couldn't include any players as they have to be of Basque origin.
Andy, regarding the loan idea, I'm pretty sure Bilbao only have Basque players in their team. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong tho.
StevieK
30 Aug 2013 13:26:11
Surely United will return to Bilbao and offer the 6million euros extra for Herrera. At 24 he's already an established player in Spain and would be effective along side Carrick. Ed's are you able to tell us if you expect United to return to Bilbao and offer the player's release clause?
Fellaini and Baines will go down to the wire it looks like but I expect them both to be united players come the 3rd September. Its been a tough window for us fans!
With our seemingly unlimited funds we seem to be penny pinching.i like you hope we add the extra 6 million and get a quality signing in this window, though for some reason were offering low then not reaching an agreement.Frustrating to say the least.
I think that we will tie up a few deals before Sunday. Maybe one or two might run till deadline day; but I can see us getting someone in before the Liverpool game. Herrera seems like it is the most straight forward deal to complete.
30 Aug 2013 14:17:12
Some United fans are starting up a petition to get Woodward out LOL
To be fair though, the guy is pis.ing me off. He seems like he doesn't have a bloody clue.
I hope that old Ed proves me wrong.
Nelly,
They say they didn't have a budget, that does not mean unlimited funds and that they should go and pay over the odds to get players in. We are not Manchester City, we want the right kind of player at our club, unfortunately there aren't too many of the right kind of player out there. {Ed007's Note - Not having a budget just means that nobody has said we have X amount to spend. Some people just take what they want from statements to suit their own points of view.}
Samthered -
Since when has anything we've done in the transfer market been straightforward?
I understand people saying 'just pay the extra E6m' - but it's more than he is worth. Whether or not paying over the odds is now commonplace (which I suppose would just mean that the value of players has gone up in general) - I do think for £30m we could do a lot better. Suppose I'd rather see the money spent on Herrera than on Baines and Fellaini though.
30 Aug 2013 13:10:06
Rumours in the press today surrounding Ander Herrera, Ozil and Kaka. I'm still clinging on to the (ever fading) hope that United might actually sign a decent midfielder this window.
30 Aug 2013 12:56:46
Being reported that Bilbao have confirmed our 30 million euro bid for Herrera and will only let him go if his clause is met. Just pay the f*****g release clause Woodward!
We will be paying over his value, but we are in need and he is a quality player so the extra few millions could well be worth it.
I agree, he's been watching too much Location, Location, Location. Hoping to come in just under the asking price. what's he hoping to achieve. If you want the player at this late stage in the proceedings, the selling club has the upper hand. Full stop.
Jomo
Completely agree, its only another 5 million and if we have 'unlimited funds' then why does it matter!
30.5mil next then!
Its never that simple with spanish clubs after meeting the release clause you then pay the vat meaning the fee is much higher, as we know from the Thiago transfer and Martinez to Munich, but I agree if we want him pay the money, only after what we have seen so far we probably won't!
I wonder whether Barcelona will up their interest in Herrera having already tried once.
An investment of 70m is small potatoes if that will help ensure champions league qualification in the future.
As yet Moyes is unproven at the top level, it is essential that he at least shows he's capable of maintaining or exceeding our quality and position, before young players will choose his leadership over the likes of Pep, Jose, Ancelloti etc.
Something isn't quite right here. We know Bilbao do not negotiate - Bayern found that out. So what is going on? Are we all being conned? Is this a "message" to Barcelona? Calm down good I don't think there was a serious (real) bid intended. Clarity would help - but we can only guess people!
Cosh
30 Aug 2013 12:52:14
Everton have enquired about James McCarthy, does this mean that they are resigned to loosing Fellaini?
Mind you there's still time for Woodward to cock the whole deal up.
I don't believe that - Martinez wouldn't do something so disgusting and insulting to his former club {Ed007's Note - I was told earlier in the week that the bid was £10m.}
United ought to p**s Everton of and sign mccarthy, I actually like him. Martinez is the biggest hypocrit on going for your old plqyers, joey
30 Aug 2013 12:18:25
Just out of interest and because of all your comments over this window, do you think we should just bow to teams demands at first thought? I don't I think we are right to negotiate and a lot of clubs are playing hardball.
The mistake that was made was the second moyes joined he said we have no budget so teams then person their ears up and try to milk us. Look at Madrid, they have been conned out of £86m+ for a player who is not worth that.
Over paying for players can be dangerous, just look at Torres and Berbatov compared to RVP who moved for a smaller fee and less pressure. The only player we should have spent all out on was Fabregas but that ship has sailed. Deadline day will come and we will get the players we want cheaper as the hardball teams will feel the financial pressure.
Yes but only if the said player is below the club's age limit (ie under 24) and the club doesn't exceed 15 million over its bid range.
I have said all along that if there is a release clause that's within a decent amount we shouldn't even be bidding we should just get it done. Bayern recently have spent 80m on Martinez and Goetze because they wanted them and didn't try and pinch on a paultry 6m or so.
We must know his clause is 30m so if we think 25 is a good opening bid I really think this is another way of trying to pinch on another 5m. Joke really!
30 Aug 2013 12:16:36
I wonder how all the Evertonians who seem to be proud of them rejecting our alleged latest bid would feel, if Fellaini and Baines were let go on deadline and Everton fail to bring adequate replacements in? Won't look too smart would they?
The other clubs would surely know of the windfall Everton would have received from United and in turn Everton will either have to overpay or sit there with an extra couple of million they negotiated from United but with 2 important players weaker until january.
Unlike your new CE Everton are not that stupid, and let's you have to question how much Baines and Fellaini want this move as neither of them have put in official transfer requests, and I don't think Everton will accept a transfer request on deadline day because they would have learnt from the Arteta episode the other year.
30 Aug 2013 12:10:14
Am I the only one thinking that our move for Ander Herrera is just an attempt to push Barcelona into letting us have Cesc? They were sniffing around him at the start of the summer which is what lead to Cesc considering his future in the future.
Personally I think we'd be better off putting in a bid for Oliver Torres if getting Cesc was our aim. Barcelona included a first refusal clause when completing the sale of David Villa to Atletico - so my guess is they plan to sign him in the not too distant future. Why not jeopardise those plans and see what happens?
Makes no sense. They have a FIRST REFUSAL clause on Torres. So if we made an offer, Barca would be given the chance to match that offer, which they would accept & he would go there.
Think before you post.
Redseven is saying, try and force Barca's hand over Torres to rock the boat with Cesc! Not to actually sign Torres.
Read before you post!
Read the post before you tell me to think before I post - id!ot.
I said (in the same sentence) that if we wanted to sign CESC we should bid for Torres.
As you point out (like I had also pointed out) - Barcelona would likely take advantage of their first refusal and be forced to sign Torres now rather than in the coming years. Cesc would again begin to question how important he was to Barcelona and we may have a chance of signing him. The fact that Barcelona are broke would also help us - as if they wanted to buy Torres now they would need to sell first.
I swear the IQ of some people on this site is in the single digits.
I think his point is if we bid for Torres, Barcelona will buy Torres adding a player that will want to play and reduce cesc fabergas's playing time which may make him reconsider leaving to join us.
I think if you read his post mate u will see he has thought it through, we bid for Torres, barca get 1st option, they take it up, have to sell cesc to us is the point he's getting at I think!
Of corse barca could just sign him and loan him back for a season and keep Cesc.
Good to see other people take the time to read posts rather than reply blindly.
Chris -
To be honest I hadn't considered that - and in all likelihood that's what would happen. Even so; knowing that there's another player who plays in his position coming in at some point would surely make Cesc think about his long term future at Barcelona, no?
I think you are dreaming stuff up and Fabregas is not for sale or willing to come.
Bidding for someone else to force some fantasy deal with 3 days to go is a nonstarter. We would do well if people are on the phone and in the back offices running some numbers and talking to players and their clubs to get deals done on what are realistic targets and not chase rainbows at this late hour.
30 Aug 2013 12:08:09
"We are going to knock you out of the top 4"
Malaga-gooner, you must have woke up with such an erection when you saw the headlines today, claiming Arsenal were ready to bid for Di Maria, Oezil and Benzema. I can imagine you're now out of Kleenex.
Obviously all that blood flow leaving your brain, has caused you to come out with claims like the one above, so I'll forgive you this time.
Don't let it happen again.
30 Aug 2013 11:54:52
Not long to go now in the transfer window where we will be able to see what it has been all about.
I lot of innuendo has been spoken this year by Woody and Moyes and it is time to deliver.
I am not hitting the panic button just yet like a lot of posters seem to have done, however, if come Tuesday we are still light of signings then I shall be one of the most vociferous on here.
Two central players and one left sided player is what we all no we need.
30 Aug 2013 10:26:02
If Kaka is available for the right price, surely we have to make a bid?
He could certainly do a better job than Cleverly
Kaka is garbage and has been for three seasons. He's on massive wages and would be a complete waste of time.
Prince Boateng is signing for schalke to make room for Kaka at AC Milan
30 Aug 2013 09:16:30
I know very well that eds are almost gone from this page!
but if if any ed would like to answer that why we are not interested in Christian Eriksen of Ajax. very creative. good pace. two footed. dictate the pace of the game nicely. can play anywhere is attack and middle.
despite having so many qualities, and available only for 10-15m mark with salary demand is also not a problem.
why united show no interest at all there? is there a disciplinary issue? he has same physicality as paul scholes, so idont think united take that objection.
and if he want to move to barca is future. who cares. take 3-4 good seasons from him. win trophies and sell for heavy fee. that's what happened with ronaldo, we still love him and dreaming him to return.
please eds, I m sure lots of people have hunger for this to be answered. {Ed001's Note - the thing that has put most clubs off him is his mouth, he has made numerous comments about wanting to play for Barca or Madrid in the future and that his next club will be a stepping stone to get him there. That is not what you want from a big signing!}
Thanx for the reply ed.
GLAZERS are known to be thinking business at every opportunity.
He wants to go to barca or real! But will they take him if he won't perform brillient and consistant?
I think paying 9m now. get 3 to 4 decent season, use his brilliance to win trophies and then if wants to go, sell him for 40m. what do we loose? And him departure is not end of world. We are still powerful even after ronaldo depature. there will always be anothet upcoming player.
I miss the capital letters, mate :)
30 Aug 2013 12:05:53
Kaka Wants to Leave
Why don't we sign Him?
29 Aug 2013 14:24:07
Eds,
Just a quick question, will 002 ever return?
Or are we blacklisted forever?
I only ask because he's returned to a few sites recently.
also, was the abuse that 002 received really that bad?
I'm only asking because this page was a little less crazy with him putting things into perspective.
Thanks for the eds that stuck around though. {Ed044's Note - I think the only page he has helped out a little is Chelsea and I don't think he will be returning here any time soon mate.}
30 Aug 2013 11:34:11
well that would just about sum up our transfer window if we had to pay more than the cost of Fellainis' buy out clause a month ago! It's actually farcical at this stage, one of the richest clubs in the world (yeah sure) penny pinching on world class players yet are probably going to pay over the odds for Fellaini! If Moyes wanted Fellaini then why didn't he go and get him a month ago? And if he's a back up or second choice to who he really wants then I would question buying him at all!
I'm sick of excuses when it comes to the transfer market! so he's only just in the job 2 months? That's not enough time to go and buy some players that we don't just want but we NEED to compete!? Chelsea, City, PSG, Bayern and Madrid have all changed managers this summer and yet have still managed to bring in some of the very best players around!
Moyes has been managing Everton for the last 11 years not living under a rock! He knows who the best players are, how many times has he said "Manchester United are always interested in the best players" then why are we not getting any of them?
And for those of you that say this isn't football manager you just don't simply go out and buy the best players in the world, try telling that to Chelsea, City, Spurs, PSG, Monaco, Bayern, Madrid, Barca and Juventus they've all signed some real top quality! Yes some of them have sugar daddy owners and don't have to worry about cost but just think about this then, 1) are we not one of the biggest, richest, most powerful clubs in the world? and 2) were we not told we had an 'unlimited budget'
Just feels like excuses and lies throughout this whole window and it's really frustrating!
It isn't the Fellaini part of the bid that's the hold up its how much they want for Baines
Here's what I think happened we bid for fabregas to occupy the fans interest for a few weeks knowing the whole time we weren't going to get him, it bought them some time to get to this last week where they can now claim they put all the effort into signing Fellaini and Baines and they didn't have enough time to get that creative midfielder we all so desperately want and need! As I said, excuses excuses excuses just trying to cover up the fact that this 'unlimited budget' is just a load of BS! They obviously wouldn't admit this but for one reason or another they can't or won't compete with the big boys for the quality we need! As I said the other day, fur coat no knickers!!
Moyes thought he could swan back into Everton and take their best players for a knockdown price. And in between that he's pissed them off with his sly digs which in turn has hardened Everton's resolve. i'm sorry but Utd and Moyes only have themselves to blame on this one.
30 Aug 2013 11:33:04
Well well well the Mighty Manchester United are actually struggling to sign players well I say good enough for ye the way Moyes has behaved towards Everton is a total lack of respect.I just wished Bill had of reported you to the premier league for the way you approached Moyes . but I never taught I would say this but I will be cheering on Liverpool on Sunday I hope they give you a really good hammering.
You yourself are so deluded that you are going to support your biggest rival just for the sake of feeling happy that we have no marquee signing?
God bless u and your blue
Of course you will you bitter blue
I know right. Heaven Forbid we go into the marked and make offers on players. Its outrageous. Everton fans are turning so bitter it is unreal. Managers get snapped up all the time. He gets the opportunity of a life time. Just be Happy that the only reason Everton has done so well in recent years has actually now got a team capable of achieving great things.
And we can't wait to see you and your overrated manager slowly declining back to where you were before Moyes saved you lot. No need to be bitter, at least with moyes in charge Everton was a difficult fixture 6 easy points this year!
Moyes was free to talk to clubs his contract was expiring united did nothing wrong. Get over it
30 Aug 2013 11:22:49
Had we offered Barcelona a £40m bid for Fabregas in the beginning we would have forgotten about the transfer window by now, had we activated Fellaini's £23, 5m release clause then, we wldnt be worried abt signing a gritty midfielder today, as for Baines I don't think we need him, Evra is in form and Fabio is available as cover
We definitely need Baines. Evra is shocking and a game or two at the start of the season will be massively outshone by the rest of the season especially if the window passes and he knows he is back to automatic 1st pick.
And had Fellaini been a wanted addition from the start then we should have met the clause and maybe Everton would have been more forth coming in our pursuit of Baines.
30 Aug 2013 09:48:40
kaka, shain and khedira maybe not everyone's first choice but it would fix the weak midfield problem and they wouldn't cost to much. Shain was under rated at Liverpool for me when you see what he was like at borussia dortmund, personally I would be happy if we made these signing but still think we could do with a defender and a striker to help RVP but if we don't get any of this I think we could struggle this year, any thoughts?
30 Aug 2013 10:10:56
Pathetic! This is the only word I can think of that sums up our miserable attempts to sign players in this transfer window. I wasn't expecting a maurqee signing as that's not the utd way and I'm happy with that. But, seriously, no one?!?! Are we going to have to accept the fact that Woodward is useless and have this disappointment in every transfer window? My vote is for Woodward out! He's obviously not the man for the job. GGMU!
Superspy44
I completely agree. it's been a circus from start to finish. Never the way United normally do business.
Pathetic is the right word!
It has been embarrassing from start to finish.
30 Aug 2013 10:04:46
Woody wood pecker said at the end of the season
We have just won the league the team may need a slight adjustment that is all.
True to his word we have bought a 2 million unknown fullback.Now that's about as slight as you can get.
Biggest club in the world
Sorry Glazers woodpecker and Moyes its not good enough its a disgrace and you are making us look like fools.
You are only the custodians of our great club beware the consequences of your attitude to the supporters and our team.
30 Aug 2013 09:26:04
Hi, Newcastle fan here
just wondering why you haven't gone for Cabaye? I think he would be great for you. Ok he might not be the player you want, but he would improve in your team. What do you think?
I don't think I have heard of him? ;)
I think he wouldn't bring much more than the poor players we already have
Not good enough.
We did mate, Ed bid a pint of larger and some garlic snails, we are waiting for a comeback
30 Aug 2013 07:54:52
So as predicted Levy is dragging out the Bale transfer to the lat possible minute thus ensuring the domino of potential transfers which usually accompany such a massive transfer either won't happen or will be so chaotic that clubs will end up paying over the odds for target or missing out on them altogether.
Ofcourse Levy's action will harm his closest rivals, Arsenal & us who if rumours were to be believed were hoping for some quality cast offs from Madrid to balance up Bales arrival. Probably was never going to be Ronaldo, but could have been Ozil, Modric or Di Maria.
Anyways by delaying Bale's departure to the 11th hour Levy have made it next to impossible for other clubs to do business on the Bale of the transfer.
Where does that leave us then, even if I put my optimistic hat on, the one where United are genuinely interested in strengthening the squad this year, today might be the last realistic day we will see any incomings. The matchday weekends typically are void of big transfers and given the ineptitude of the board to sign anyone during the previous two month, I think we are hoping to much to believe they have courage/sense to do something meaning full on deadline day. So today or never is my feeling.
Everton have just rejected the £36 mill double bid for Fellaini and Baines so that deal is going to have drastically move on in the next few hours. If its true we've already moved on Buttner then i'm assuming we're pretty confident we have at least Baines in the bag. If for some reason we don't then someone has made a bit of a balls up there.
Further a field what else, well if you disregard what Madrid might have sold (see above), we have, er, well, that's it, no one.
So it means that the greatest club in the world is about to fail in the market because of Levy? This is what we've become?
Poppycock! If real were waiting for bale deal to be done they could of sold them already and put more cash up front thus speeding up the deal
The point is the Bale to Real deal is NOT complete, so Real can't sell. Might be (I'm guessing) Levy has told Real there is business he needs to do before he can complete the Bale to Madrid move which is what is infuriating RM at the most. Levy is screwing with Madrid too.
They won't sell anyone until they need to, and I suspect even when they bring in Bale they might not actually need to but would definitely be more open to offers if they had Bale in the bank.
30 Aug 2013 07:41:49
Good to see one of the so called smaller clubs sticking to there guns and not getting rolled over, Everton do not sell on the cheap.
Thats because we A. Went in with a daft first offer and B. Have continually stated there is no limit to our budget.
So if you are selling to a club that wants two of your best players, that then bids an amount seen by all as stupidly low, that continually states they need reinforcements and states they have no limit, what do you expect the outcome to be?
Fleecing time if we want them.
30 Aug 2013 07:35:32
There is a lot of speculation on the Fellaini and Baines offer at £36 or £38m being rejected.
Whilst purchasing Fellaini leaves me a little underwhelmed what I cannot fathom is why we would now pay one penny above the value of his previous release clause. Frankly if we do then I believe it should be seen as a massive error by Woodward. It borders on unbelievable that we sat there and ignored the release clause to suddenly start bidding after it finished.
If we do pay more than the release clause then our CEO should have to explain his posturing because every penny over the clause value is money wasted. I would imagine our owners will want that explanation.
I will wait until the window closes to be overly critcal but the view at the moment is not great as we seem hell bent on buying Felaini but at the same time seem to have miscalculated our approach on him, did Woodward really think he could be bought for less than the release clause? Personally I hope we don't go any higher or it will be embarrassing.
What would concern me is if our new manager can only see Fellaini as the answer. This is Manchester United and we have a not so easy CL group, he needs more than the big Belgian bruiser.
I agree with you about the Fellaini clause. Imo, he is not worth that much hence nobody paid it but we should have gotten it done imo by paying his release clause. Whatever happens now we will end up overpaying for him and Woodward indeed has been a bit amateur in the market this summer. At least us paying up would be a confirmation that money was there to be spent this summer.
I was of the opinion that we shouldn't have gone for either Fellaini or Baines and signed up Strootman, Thiago and Coentrao instead. Shaw has his heart set on Chelsea imo hence the lack of interest from elsewhere.
The bid for Herrera story seems interesting to me. He is a very similar player to Fabregas and was earmarked as his replacement by Barcelona had he left. He was excellent at OT when they played us, he has since developed physically and is a much more mature player and could be a shrewd signing at this time.
Completely agree Red Man.
If we offered that much separately or Baines and Fellaini several monhs ago it would have been accepted.
23 million for Fellaini and 15 -16 million for Baines, which would have meet Evertons valuations of the players as well as meeting Fellainis Clause.
This fact has frustrated me to no end. knowing we could have improved our side and attained already (what look like our main targets now).
You would have to wonder who messed up there. Moyes or Woodward. Either way United have a lot of explaining to do after this transfer window closes. The way they ATTEMPTED to do business was laughable and has made me wonder what is going on behind the scenes
30 Aug 2013 05:56:47
ED WOODWARD : there is no budget for moyes to get in new players.
MOYES: United always looking at big players, there is no fix budget given.
ME : MOYES WILL YOU DO ANYTHING MORE THAN LOOKING??
WOODY, u have MONEY, BUT HAVE YOU BEEN GIVEN AUTHORITY to spend it actually?
Pity you don't use your Login name.
Come on. Behave yourself.
The season has started and the window ain't shut so be positive get behind the team we have and get ready to welcome the new signings we get. AND WE WILL ( added the caps for you because I can see you kinda like them!)
Champion!! names do not make champions. one has to behave accordingly.
And don't bother about my behaving, I am asking 2 simple questions which is inside my mind.
Can 1 do more than looking
And
2nd can he spend?
And try to understand ENGLISH. This has nothing to do with supportung my beloved MANCHESTER UNITED TEAM.
U r confused with TEAM and CLUB MANAGEMENT.
Poor you.!
Ok. That one really lost me.
Oh dear I appear to have hit your delicate little nerve.
To clarify as it would appear that you are the one struggling with English.
Firstly - using caps lock doesn't make your points more viable. In point of fact its considered shouting so get a grip.
Your points were read and understood to be moaning. My points to re-iterate for you are that we have a good squad so support it, and the transfer window is still open so wait and see before you start dissing the club.
As a season ticket holder the season has started for us and we are already turning up to support the team, and that means whatever team is put on that pitch wearing our shirt we support so we haven't got time to be negative and just whine. The PL is won on the pitch and that will still be the case after Monday.
Why don't you just wait til 11pm Monday then if our team and players are still not up to your standards you can caps lock to your hearts content.
HAPPY NOW!!!!
30 Aug 2013 05:46:23
in the case of EVERTON REJECTING 38M BID, one can clearly say that everton are holding united for ransom with the transfer money involved. we should not go with the 3rd bid. 38m for those 2 players were just right. any more than that means we paid desperate money. 23m was the buy out clause for fellaini anyway. so if moyes go beyond this he AND RAT WOODWARD will prove themselves some big fool.
and I further say that considering such behavior; MANCHESTER UNITED should never sell to EVERTON in the future.
Mr Logic
I tend to agree but could you STOP SHOUTING?
Go in 40m if they reject - screw them and move on - they both aren't worth 35m never mind 40m
Haha, bitter pill to swallow because Everton are sticking to there guns? You lot don't get it - we don't want to sell unless its in our best interest, tables are turning, as for not selling to us, we'll there's not a lot you could offer that we'd actually take.
Tim Howard 3m
Phil Neville 3.5m
Darren Gibson 1+1m (I think)
I agree with the ransom comment.
I'd like them both here, but 42m would be the limit for me if I had a say.
Oh and never sell to them in the future. agree with that as well.
30 Aug 2013 08:40:58
U spat your dummy out there Logic, poor old Manchester United fans, boo hoo, rejected by us little Blues down the M62.
We don't roll over for anyone anymore with Bobby Martinez in charge matey.
If you bid 42 million for them both we may give it some consideration but cannot make any promises.
Please post this Ed as only friendly banter
Regards
Degs - a very happy Blue
One of my first posts on this site, was about how we tend to let other clubs get our players cheaply, and with the minimum of fuss, if it's decided we no longer require them.
I also said in the same post, after it was clear that Levy had put one price on his players for Utd, and a price for everyone else, that we should rethink this accomodating approach, and start to play hardball with teams, no matter who the player was.
I understand that teams have to look after their own interests, but I'm sick and tired of some of them trying to take the p1ss. If they want to play silly buggers, then next time they need a Neville or a Howard, or someone needs one of our young players on loan, then we should politely decline, and offer them to someone else.
Hopefully they'd soon get the message.
And before the Everton fans come on and accuse me of arrogance, I have said I understand their position.
But 36 million for a solid midfielder with an original 23 release clause, and a good full back, is fair, and you know it is.
We're not talking prolific strikers, or tricky, flying wingers, or creative no.10s here.
It's still only a midfielder and a full back.
Start playing fair, or we'll take our ball away.
You lot make me laugh. they are both 20 mil plus players, if you dnt like it or dnt rate them at that go and get some better for less.
you think teams just roll over for you. jog on
you have our old manager, trying to geting to get our players, you'll want out name next
30 Aug 2013 11:27:06
Ye know what Ste you will probably get them or at least one of them, but not for 38 million mate.
A player is worth what the selling club thinks he is worth not what the buyer is offering.
Every season clubs bowed down to the mighty Manchester United and the reason was that SAF was the main man, by the way he is a legend. Not anymore mate, your transfer window is not looking good at the moment and the Glazers are reigning any spending in, Moyes won't be bothered though because if you sack him OBXMAS Moyes he will get 6 years wages at 100k per week. Its a hard life
I was going to say good luck for the coming season as most Blues liked Man U because of your hatred for the Koppites, but a lot of your fans have ruined that and I can honestly say you are disliked as much as the Koppites now, we WERE your only allies.
Degs
Degs, I understand the whole player's worth argument.
But you seem to think we need them more than you need to sell.
I think LB was always our last priority this summer, and most would have considered it a bonus if we got someone in, so Baines isn't a necessity.
I like Fellaini, but our midfield showed against the supposedly far superior, Chelsea, that they can do a job, better than a lot on here give them credit for.
I think we still have a squad equipped to win the league, or at least be up there fighting for it as usual. Yes, we're a couple of top players away from ECL success, but Fellaini wouldn't help much in that regard anyway.
I'd say, while aul Bill is telling RM, 'don't worry Roberto, we'll not sell them for 36m', he's also thinking, 'if Utd pull the plug now, 36m is a LOT of money'.
And you're right. It has caused ructions. My brother-in-law's a blue-nose, and he won't even speak to me at the minute, other than with heavy doses of attitude :)
30 Aug 2013 12:37:59
Everton fan here I didn't realise that its was a given right to sell to man utd, I think you need to grow mate if we don't want to sell we don't have to, despite the fact your manager has tried his best to unsettle are best two players, maybe in future you conduct yourseleves with a bit more respect
30 Aug 2013 12:49:26
i agree everyone has there selling points but it hasn't helped the way moyes has went about it, 36mil ain't worth much if you start falling down the table in the scale of things its buttons in the prem.
As for not doing business in the future, grow up, we took your bit part players you didn't want
I am rather unconcerned if we don't sign Fellaini. However the cost involved is subjective, yes Everton can reject the offers but equally both players are now aware of the interest and if United decide to look elsewhere it could leave Everton with two disgruntled players for the season ahead. A players value may be set by the selling club but the buyer has the option not to meet it. Everton should bear that in mind. I started by saying that I am not too concerned if we don't sign Fellaini as he would be far from my choice, in fact I hope Everton set an unrealistic price and it causes us to walk away.
I have said before I have an affection for Everton going back to the mid 80's so have no wish to fall out as a club but Fellaini is worth no more than £23m and Baines £12m given his age. I am disappointed if we go beyond £36m overall.
30 Aug 2013 05:19:30
Desperation time has started! Now Herrera(spelling). Funny.
If this is truth, we just became the joke of the transfer market this season!
Herrera is a good player and had been earmarked by Barcelona as a replacement for Fabregas if he left.
Hardly, this guy helped to take our midfield to peices when we played them. He will improve us.
Why mate? You done a full analysis on him to see whether he is good enough for us?
Who do you want us to sign that's available?
How do you work that ou nick he is a good fooballing cm who assists an scores and he was the replacement barcerlona lined up to replace cesc can't be thay bad?
30 Aug 2013 08:29:56
Our transfer dealings became a joke a while back.
Herrera is a fantastic player and a signing that is typically manchester united.
Why is this desperate or funny?
The guy is actually quality but you prob never heard of him so he must be crap!
Ya can't win with "supporters like you"
Yeh trying to buy young higly rated Spanish midfielders with huge potential who you have never heard. what a joke.
I'm not doubting the talent of the player mentioned above! We're desperate to get the players in the last days because we failed to bring any of the main targets we set this season!
Now Everton reject the 2nd offer? And we bid 30mil for a player that could easily be here earlier? Its a joke. Every team know how desperate we're to buy a CM and they won't sell cheap (as we want).
So, I stick with my post. We're desperate right now.
I have watched him quite a lot and him and de Marcos would be very high quality signings so will Muinian.
@Nick86
Please do your research on Bilbao first. They are the Spurs of the La Liga and stubborn negotiators. They wouldn't let him go for less even if we bid earlier in the window. They got 40million for Javi Martinez, although he is a good player that was at least 10-15mil more than his actual value.
"Desperate" is the wrong word here.
Everybody knew Cesc wans't coming from the bigning, so, why we didn't move for Herrera right away? Why we waited to be snubed so many times instead of going to a "highly rated" player earlier!
GDS2 always say, 'Wait until 2nd of september' for what? If we can do our business before? We had to months to get the players that we're after now!we lost 3 precious weeks with Cesc, we didn't bid for Fellaini when the release was 23 and now we may pay the same amount or more.
We're struggling right now and we'll pay ober the odds for any one available now!
We're not good enough to win the CL and seems that we're only concerned with Domestic Cups!
We're Manchester United for God's sake!
@Nick86
Sorry mate, but there was a chance of Fabregas, that is why we bid for him. We went for him because he is the more experienced player of the two right now. It really isn't rocket science is it? Why do you think Fabregas kept quiet throughout the bidding from United?
I agree with you that we should have gotten deals like Baines and Fellaini done early, but that is just about it.
'we're struggling right now'.
Seriously, Nick? Unbeaten after two tough fixtures, and you can tell that, can you?
Pffft.
Steviek
Jus read the post!
How many times in the last 3-4 years did we reach the QF of the CL? Oh no! I can't complaint because they'll call me pessimist.
We need to invest with quality players to be able to improve in Europe where we're struggling, I repeat!
It won't make a better fan because you think that we'll do 'okay' without signing anybody.
We're relying too much on Our name and history!
30 Aug 2013 03:32:27
Liverpool fan here. worried about what that response gets! But just curious about your opinions on Moyes as Fergire's replacement (who I do seriously hate, but begrudgingly admit is one of the best managers in history) and your transfer window? Firstly I think there are players I'm baffled are still at your club (Anderson, Young, nani, fabio, macheda, and Anderson, seriously Anderson). Secondly, think you have needed a world class midfielder to put you as one of the top teams in Europe and before you have start having a go, genuinely think it's only the one player you need to (maybe a WC winger, debatable). Finally what is the general opinion on Cleverly? Don't watch you much, but don't rate him highly but tend to only watch your big games top opposition and may make look him worse than he his. For me personally think a club like united would have better, but only my opinion. Just interested in your views?
Yes we have needed a wc CM for years now, its an area we have neglected for years.
Clevs is a good sqaud player no more.
As with Moyes i'm happy enuff I just hope he gets given the players to do the job.
We will be fine no matter wot, our squad is stronger than most.
One for you, if u keep Hannibal where does he play and who drops out?
1. Moyes is a good manager imo and will go on to be a success provided he is backed by the owners. He has already shown good management imo with how calmly he handled the Rooney issue, and our midfield looks a lot more compact and plays much better under pressure from what i've seen in the first few games.
2. Cleverley is a good squad player to have.
3. Even I wonder why Anderson is still here, my guess is its been difficult to find a buyer.
4. Young should be a squad player.
5. Macheda, again difficult to find a buyer.
6. Nani is a good player but inconsistent, but its a fresh start for him under Moyes and we shall assess him next summer.
Roland,
What the hell has happened, Everton fans have turned into the bitter ranting scouse posters and Liverpool fans are having genuine debate 2 days before we play them, this is too much for my mind to take!
All in all I agree with chris the red man as I imagine most of the united fans do. I think a lot of us are baffled why some of them are still at our club but I think we may just be struggling to sell them at a reasonable price for whatever reason. We rejected a bid for nani which was ridiculously low it made our 28 million for baines and fellaini seem like a world record bid. Maybe struggling to offload some of these players is also affecting our ability to buy a top midfielder and left winger.
I still have my fingers well and truly crossed we sign 2-3 players before Monday though or this site will go into meltdown, people were having a nervous breakdown the other day because a player who whored himself round Europe and we were never interested in was having talks with spurs!
Interesting to see your thoughts, as for the Suarez question tbh I was hoping he would be sold early in the window to real or a club outside the BPL for 40-50m so we could strengthen key areas. But when/if he comes back would hope Henderson gets dropped and we play Saurez on the left Sturridge through the middle Aspas on the right with coutinho behind Sturridge and gerrard lucas holding (4-2-3-1), at least until he gets banned again. Though ideally would like a winger/forward brought in for competition (yarmolenko).
30 Aug 2013 02:07:54
Man utd as some reports claim has put in a herrera bid€30 million.If true, good news but who has any rumours on modric?
30 Aug 2013 00:57:25
Love how de utd twitter account is full of champs league talk and de scousers is about their one big game of de year against us haha different standards
Maybe it's because you are in champions league and Liverpool aren't so the next thing for Liverpool fans to speak about is the next game which just so happens to be against you. Common sense really!
Oh and enjoy the champions league this year because you won't be in it next season after Moyes destroys yer club.
Why? Whos gunna knock us out of top 4? Yes others have strengthened, but they had to, to catch us up!
Your not for a second after beating villa and stoke suggesting u could really though are u?
We are going to knock you out of the top 4.
Yeh ok malaga and ww know how accurate your premonitions have been, whos signing for gooners tomorrow? Falcao? Suarez?
30 Aug 2013 00:40:31
Just wondering if Ed Woodward is actually an ex market stall trader, offer low for quality end up buying rubbish for even less to sell for a profit. Hope I'm proved massively wrong but thing our new cheap right back will be it
Varela is a future prospect, and looks good. Don't put him down due to lack of other activity!
30 Aug 2013 00:28:53
Kaka wants to leave Madrid, why not put a bid on him as he's still an ace player, maybe getting old but him and Herrera in midfield would give skill, vision and kaka's experience. Which is just what we need.
Kagawa's struggling to get a game as it is. besides I'd rather play the 'kids' and see what they can do
29 Aug 2013 23:48:09
If Everton have really turned down 36 m for those two and are asking for 50.I hope we tell them to Sod off. They are just not worth it.
Totally agree, big time!
Why do people believe stuff in the press.Everton have never said they want £50 mill, in my opinion they will both be signed for £40 mill on D-Day.
If we pay 40 imo we have over paid.
Sometimes you have to overpay in order to get what you want though, it's not our money at the end of the day and baines and fellaini would certainly improve two areas we are weakest. I would still like one other player as well but looking less likely by the day.