Manchester United Banter Archive July 30 2018

 

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30 Jul 2018 23:29:56
This 'poor us' narrative creeping in amongst United supporters is really unattractive. If things were going right on the pitch, there wouldn't be these persons talking badly about us. It just serves as a useful distraction to those among us who want to ignore our other failings. I've said it before, but this mentality just makes us look and sound like Liverpool supporters.

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31 Jul 2018 08:23:20
Well said. if things were perfect last season. no one would want a single signing. But fans know. things are far far from perfect. City were perfect and they still added Mahrez. And we are stuck with players who fans want to see go.

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31 Jul 2018 09:04:05
I've said it before but a huge swathe of Utd fans are spoilt by previous success and seem to be unable to see that the distance we fell cannot be made up in one season. It is a process and Jose is taking us in the right direction. Whoever inherits his team will have a foundation much more solid than the one he inherited. There are no better managers available to replace him so why don't we as supporters try you know, supporting him.

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31 Jul 2018 10:07:39
12 days, none of us are expecting it to be made up in one season. Jose has had two whole seasons and we are starting his third. Can we expect to see significant improvement over 2 years with 500m spent or is that unreasonable?

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31 Jul 2018 11:20:52
There was plenty written on this site yesterday about the difference between the negativity of the press and what the actual relationship is between the manager and the players. People also don’t take into account the role that the other coaches are likely to play in the mood of the players.
When Chelsea were going through a bad spell the season after winning the league with Mourinho and he got the sack the fans were booing the players and supporting the manager. Sure the Chelsea fans had previous affection for Mourinho which we don’t have but in some instances what’s the difference? Just fan perception!
I agree that Mourinho overstepped the mark at Chelsea and lost the plot and I also don’t like some of the things he says to the press as Utd manager.
I am not happy with the style of play like many others. However I personally didn’t see Mourinho teams of the past as boring, they had good players with some flair but were disciplined at the same time. I didn’t enjoy Utd playing Chelsea when Mourinho was their manager as they would always dominate the midfield and control the game. Something I hope Utd would do under Mourinho.
Pogba is a great talent and played well last season despite the criticism. Mourinho tells Pogba to play it simple and there was obviously a falling out last season. Then Pogba does that in a few games last season, notably 2nd half at City and we see the result.
At the World Cup Pogba keeps it simple, plays well and gets all the praise so I don’t feel it is right to criticise solely Mourinho for a breakdown in their relationship.
Pogba could be the best CM player in the world. He has skill, speed and power, if he had a mindset of Keane or Scholes he would be devestating. He must take on some of the responsibility in addition to the criticism aimed at Mourinho for managing him inappropriately.
The bit that I don’t agree with is the fact that Mourinho is not really trying to develop the young players. Rashford, Lingard and Martial were handed to him on a plate and you could argue with the exception of Lingard he hasn’t made best use of them. McTominay is the one exception but he appears to be a holding midfielder. I don’t understand how we have 3 forwards who are all right footed but can only play on the left or down the middle yet we are trying to spend £50M or more on players that are 29 who can play on the right hand side. Martial and Rashford have pace to burn and so why can’t they be coached and adapt to the right hand side?
2 years ago Mourinho praised Tuanzebe but he hasn’t brought him on or given him enough game time to prove him one way or another. The same can be said of TSM.
I believe that there were 7/ 8 players that needed to leave Utd at the end of last season but with only 4/ 5 replacements at most as a few young players can step up into the 25 man squad.
Mourinho seems reluctant to try youth even when he should know that the fans have some patience with a manager who brings through a few players from the academy. Presume he would be concerned about not maintaining top 4 status which must be a requirement from the board. I think that Gomes and Chong are great prospects and Mourinho gives them praise but in Chongs case at least says he is not ready, so when will he be ready? Never heard this from Fergie only if they were good enough then they were old enough. Fergie new how to bring on young players and when to put them in and take them out and he wasn’t afraid to get it wrong.
I thought after the Chelsea debacle that Mourinho would be more humble at Utd but although he hasn’t reached the heights of his antics at Chelsea he has not changed much either. At Utd I felt he had a chance to do things differently and build a team, develop youth and stay for a sustained period. Instead he appears to be in it for just the 3/ 4 seasons and then he will be off.
With that in mind I will back the manger and support the team despite my concerns.
The real question is who will replace Mourinho and I hope that behind closed doors the board is at least thinking about this part of the future sooner rather than later.

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30 Jul 2018 23:13:30
Great quotes coming from Pereira today. He could end up saving the club a lot of money. He could provide great competition for matic and bring a different dynamic to that holding role.
He took a brave decision last season with mixed results for valencia but he learnt a lot and has done well pre season.
If he can re invent himself as a '6' and start the season well it could be great for the team.
I think everybody would be haopy if he came through and became our long term 'no6' . He needs to continue to improve and with matic out for a bit like shaw he could well have the opportunity to stake his cliam and make himself undropable.
I hope he gets an opportunity and grabs it with both hands.
Shaw could have the same opportunity i have lost all faith in him unforrunatly. I hope if we don't sign a full back that he proves me wrong because if something doesn't change on that left hand side we won't see the best from pogba and sanchez.

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30 Jul 2018 23:20:31
Talented lad.

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30 Jul 2018 23:55:53
I always had high hopes for him, but for a while I thought he was going to another one of those 'nearly' ones. Like you said, Ken, I thought he was brave to take the decision to go to Valencia. I think all our good prospects should get the chance to have a season on loan abroad. Hope he grabs his chance this season. Great at set-pieces too.

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31 Jul 2018 00:38:36
I think it's very brave of him to tackle the no 6 role. He is a talented boy but I feartha he is not strong enough or mature enough football wise just yet for such a pivotal role. I hope people cut him some slack when he makes the inevitable mistakes that will occur due to his inexperience. Personally I woukd like to see him much more forward in an attacking midfield role He can see a pass and is a good striker of the ball. Will be interesting to see how he does.

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31 Jul 2018 08:49:37
Personally I see Pereira as more of an No.8 rather than a No.6. His movement, and shooting ability are two of his best aspects, which obviously he can't make the most of very often when playing as a No.6. He does pass the ball wonderfully, and his vision is excellent. He will need to work on his reading of the he to play as a No.6 as he doesn't have the strength to win many tackles so will have to base his defensive game around interceptions to break up play rather than tackles.

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31 Jul 2018 09:27:24
Nice analysis that Shappy.
In my opinion though, I think he can play the carrick/ kroos role. He has the passing range and a shot in him. With playing more often with better players around him, i am sure he will gain that reading of the game which Shappy has pointed out in the post above. He has the perfect mentor in Carrick to grow into his game. He also has the mental strength which he showed last season by going out on loan rather than warming the bench here (although if he had stayed he would have got a lot more playing time than he would have thought) .

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31 Jul 2018 14:51:15
You have that goat down as he can play the carrick kroos role? What role is that because carrick and kroos played a different role and regardless, he is not in the same league as either.

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30 Jul 2018 21:33:57
The good news is Liam Miller's tribute match is to be held in pairc ui caoimh
The bad news is cork lost the semi final yesterday.
Good post down the page mumbles.
Ken I'm lost with Margot but she would be welcome in cork.
Anyway the Liam Miller game will be a great game to go to.
The last time we will ever see Keane scholes giggs Stam rio Irwin together
It's a great stadium boys and there will be a great atmosphere there so if anyone can afford at have the time to go I would encourage you as it will be a day to remember, the real capital of Ireland will welcome all. The tickets go on sale 13th of August.

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30 Jul 2018 21:38:44
Looking forward to that one Leahy. Should have the place busting at the seams.
Capitol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.

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30 Jul 2018 23:18:28
Saw they finally saw sense, Leahy. Should be a great occasion, if tinged with a little sadness.

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31 Jul 2018 12:22:09
Im not so sure it was a csse of them seeing sense they agreed to field the game because it was a request made to them.
You often bang on about united tradition on here noucamp. Gaa not fielding soccer is more than a tradition it was a decision made when english army slaughteted gaa fans in cold blood on bloody sunday. People from that same army still forcibly occupy 6 counties that they stole from our country bin laden style.

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30 Jul 2018 21:16:53
Good to see fan favourite Anderson signing for Adana Demirspor. Cue the KFC jokes.

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30 Jul 2018 19:39:35
Sharppy - all I meant was I think many fans would benefit from some Acceptance and Commitment approaches. That is the notion that complaining, moaning, trying to change things or people (e. g. the board/ Mourinho/ style of play) - that realistically can't changed - means we run the risk of ending up neglecting our values. That leaves people feeling miserable and generally leads to suffering. Or worst case scenario fosters a toxic environment amongst fans. We all know now the impact that can have in the long term!

By trying to reconnect with our values we can live a happier life. Yes, it's normal to complain about the style of football at the moment, more so amongst Utd fans given our history. But ultimately, where does that get us if we keep going on and on about it?

Whereas I bet one of majority of fans' values is simply supporting Utd through thick and thin. If we can get back to focussing on that and the results (regardless of style of play and personel) then I'm betting people would be a lot happier overall.

But that's just my opinion and what I'll be trying to do. As I've said previously it looks like Mourinho is here for the next two seasons. After that I'd guess he will move on anyway. But I intend on focussing on enjoying our results, the new signings and any youth players getting a chance this season.

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30 Jul 2018 20:17:02
Doctor
Would you say the same about the players?
Almost support the team, players manager through thick and thin.

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30 Jul 2018 20:58:10
Support man utd whatever that entails. It's our club afterall.

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31 Jul 2018 09:12:27
Doc, I get what your saying but I totally disagree.

That's like saying I'm English so I should you support every action our government takes even if I believe it's wrong.

I support the club, I watch every game, I cheer them on, I buy merchandise and I subscribe to MUTV.

When those players cross the white line and enter the pitch I support them, even the the ones I don't like or I don't think are good enough. I'm not a fan of Jose at United, I don't think he is the right fit for our club. But I hope he gets the result every game.

However, you say about the clubs values and staying true to them.

Well here are a few of the clubs values that are most important to me.

Playing youth and giving them a real chance. The Busby babes and Fergie's fledglings are examples of several youth players coming through together. Now I don't expect that, it's pretty rare after all. But not many clubs world wide can proclaim to have had two great generations of players come through like that. Barcelona of ten years ago, and Ajax of the mid nineties had one generation each.

I think it's important to note we have only really had real success under two managers, both brought though young players and based their sides around that youth.

We have a value of playing exciting cavalier football, yes that means we run the risk of losing games, but it's entertaining. 90 minutes of boring football where we win 1-0 to a set piece goal means I'm happy we got three points, but if I haven't enjoyed the match and I know the next game will be the same and the game after that and the game after that then I will lose enthusiasm for watching my side. As I'm not expecting good football just a result.

It's also a dangerous game to play as a manager. Klopp has far more leeway with the fans as even when Liverpool lose their fans feel like they have been entertained. They still got something out of the match as it wasn't all on the result.

I enjoy a good gloat after an important win, it's not as much fun when we have little to gloat about other than scoring a lucky goal and defending for our lives for 90 minutes. I want games where we play teams off the park, with nearly 500m spent in just over 2 years I think I'm entitled to see us play at least four or five teams off the park a season.

These are key values of the club I love, and if I see them being disregarded and pushed to the side then I feel it important to stand up and say something. As you said if we ignore the clubs true values then we lose what is important about the club.

You ask anyone from around the world to name three things about Manchester United I would expect, Give young players a chance, playing exciting cavalier football and winning trophies.

If we aren't doing those things then we aren't Manchester United anymore, just a name and a brand.

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31 Jul 2018 12:23:48
Where we man United playing attacking football when we won the league souring 68 goals in 2008 with a swash buckling attacking style?

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31 Jul 2018 13:35:16
There was a lot of missed chances that season ken. We might not have scored bucket loads, but there was always a sense that we could. We could be 2-0 down at half time and still feel we were in the game. If were 2-0 down at half time now all we know is we will throw Fellaini on and hope he can drag us back into the game ala Sam Allerdyce long ball style.

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30 Jul 2018 17:48:59
Rumours that Manchester United are looking to sign Yerry Mina. I haven’t seen much of him but I don’t remember Ed002 mention him on the sharkopod. Woudl he be a good signing?

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30 Jul 2018 17:59:14
I don’t see him as a significant improvement over our current defenders. Struggled to impress at Barca, and not the manager’s first choice. Can’t see him making a big difference if signed.

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30 Jul 2018 18:51:41
Although he's probably a better player than him, papi dilobodji springs to minds and well we all know that season ended lol.

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30 Jul 2018 19:31:34
He was meant to be the next big thing. Barcelona fought off real madrid to get him. He had a good world cup its all I've seen of him.
He could be an inspired signing or just end up being another squad player. Very much like fred and dalot most of us don't know much about them.

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30 Jul 2018 20:59:28
Looked solid st the world cup and is dominant in both boxes.

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30 Jul 2018 17:09:20
Just to add to Mumbles great post down the page which I really agree with it might be worth taking a look at some of the pictures released today from training and look at what seems to be a fun and relaxed atmosphere in the camp.

It is almost as if the players don't spend all day miserable and upset at what Jose said in a 2 minute press conference.

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30 Jul 2018 17:16:20
I think too many fans hang on every last word that jose’s Says in the press and believe he is like that with the players behind closed doors. As the Eds have stated, we should take what he says with a pinch of salt. The atmosphere looks great and the media are just trying to spin things to split the united fan base. I do agree at times Jose’s demeanour can be very difficult to stomach and I would like to see him a bit more positive. But I suppose he is standing up to the owners rather than being a yes man. I expect us to get two signings at least in and a third would be a massive bonus.

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30 Jul 2018 17:44:20
Too many naive people but others just using the current hyberbole to push their agenda on here. Lots of time lots of things will change before the end of the window. Maybe not as many as jose would like or indeed as i would like but hopefully enough to make a difference.

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30 Jul 2018 17:48:10
By all accounts the mood on tour has been really good.

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30 Jul 2018 18:03:19
Its only been good after the prozac pill run and the bullying workshops are complete mort.
😁😁😁.

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30 Jul 2018 18:09:43
Should we take in to account that ed said Jose isn't happy and hates life in Manchester as well?

Two sides to every argument the Jose one is split between the fans who can't see Jose doing any wrong it's the club it's the players it's the press .

And another camp that every thing is Jose fault win a cup means nothing, 2nd in the league meanas nothing .

Both as bad as each other.

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30 Jul 2018 18:29:25
Jred,

There is also a middle ground that think there are good and bad on both sides and that judging Jose on this ore season is quite frankly stupid.

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30 Jul 2018 18:49:27
Gds
I don't think many are judging him on the pre season pal .
17 players missing for the last match I think many of the issue go back further .

But the whole " people are judging Jose on pre season " is good example how things get twisted .

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30 Jul 2018 18:51:41
For the record 86 points and second in the league playing like we are is par for the course .
Jose doing what he does love him or hate him .
Respect what he has done .
But also stop making silly excuses .

It's just Jose doing what he does and fair play to him.

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30 Jul 2018 18:53:31
Not entirely true or an accurate statement at all jred. I don't know anybody on here that renders jose as blameless on all accounts. I don't know anybody on here happy with the style from last season.
Sure i tend to agree with a lot of what the manager says but not all he says and does i think that's true of all his supporters.
Is there a 3rd camp? If not which of the 2 camps you say exits are you in or are you special and have a camp all of your own.
Your no different to most i guess which is you think the manager could do better in some areas and players could also do better.
Im not making any excuse for him on funds spent. i'm just saying that no matter what has been spent and please be assured the manager does not negotiate fees or agree wages it has nothing to do with him at all there is still glaring difficiences in the squad. He wants to fill those difficiences but the club can't spend all he wants on who he wants so he has to make do with filling what he can and prioritise.
Im sure if we had not blown 30m on a kid after 1 season or over spent on lindelof pogba martial and lukaku. As per ed002 miles more than any other club were prepared to pay we could have had a new rb and lb aswell but we are where we are. So imo jose is getting the best results possible with what he has but the style is awful. i'm quite sure there are any amount of managers out there that would have our squad playing 'better' football to watch but i'm just as sure none of them would have got 86 points with this squad last year. that's my opinion. i'm not a jose 'fanboy' i just believe nobody would get more points with this squad. I also believe that with the right additions he will have us challenge for the title.

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30 Jul 2018 19:46:06
Most people who know football, know pre-season's don't count for sh1t. But if it helps people use it for their particular argument, fair enough.

I think most people's problems with José go further back than that. Like when he wanted to go to Paris. I owe the man no loyalty seeing as he'd have been away like a shot if he could.

I also think his constant whingeing, and blaming everything and everyone, demeans the position he's in. He's managing Man Utd for flip sake.

I do agree with him over this tour. Absolutely pointless exercise, and stupid scheduling after a World Cup.

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30 Jul 2018 19:58:25
Surely Jose earns enough cash to get about and see his family as well as live in such palatial luxury that he might not even know he’s in Manchester. apart from the truly awful weather!

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30 Jul 2018 20:16:21
The tour was a complete shambles Stevie i agree. The odds of all our players or even most of them being available were zero. As it turned out ourselves and spurs were worst hit its only because most of the snr players out their failed to get into squads like herrera mata shaw and smalling that we have any snr players bar sanchez bailly and darmian who didn't qualify.

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30 Jul 2018 20:21:54
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Sorry pal but that's is nothing like the way you come across .

86 points well done Jose but then again 86 points with in your words the worse squad in 26 year .
It's hyperbole and rubbish.

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30 Jul 2018 20:59:03
Jred its not rubbish we have not gone 5 years without winning the league for 30 years its our longest stretch for since the epl began.
Over the last 30 years we have had keepers as good as ddg arguably.
Over the last 30 years we have never had such poor choces at full back.
In 30 years we have never had such turmoil and lack of a consistant 1st choice paring at cb.
In 30 years we have never had a squad without a midfielder that dictates play and tempo
In 30 years we have never had as poor a choice on rw.
In 30 years our choices at cf have rarely been poorer for depth.
That's my opinion. Its a really poor SQUAD for last 5 years. Results prove that. We have had our worst run of league finishes for 30 years.
There is obvious quality in most of the starting 11 but beneath them its slim pickings in certain positions.
I can't think of a worse squad even fergies last squad that won the league is better. May not have had big star names but their character was without question. There is a lot more to being a footballer and having talent is only half the story. We have a few with talent that just don't show enough character. that's how i have formed my opinion which you disagree with of course but its not rubbish jred.
Our current squad most agree is devoid of top class full back options.
Most would agree is short of a tempo setting midfield player
Most would agree that its devoid of pace in wide areas
Most would agree we lack a proper winger of any description on either side of the pitch.
Most would agree we don't have a solid cb pairing to rely on.
So which of our squads in the last 26 years in your opinion had all those deficiencies and a worse run of league resuts jred?

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30 Jul 2018 21:35:11
Great post ken. Jred I’m neither firmly in either camp. On numerous occasions I try and look at both sides and give a balanced argument. Sure I support the manager but I also call it how I see it and when he’s not doing something right I always call it. You on the other hand are firmly sitting on the fence never giving an opinion, and often slating those in each camp. Nobody is denying that things aren’t perfect, but the hate for Jose is unbearable and quite frankly embarrassing at times. No other manager is subject to the vitriol he receives both from the press and even his own supposed fans. Sure he doesn’t help himself in his press conferences, but people find a negative in every single word he says. It’s embarrassing quite frankly.

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30 Jul 2018 21:44:35
Very good and accurate post park.

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30 Jul 2018 23:23:06
Again that word, 'hate'. You can hate Hitler, I'll give you him, but I hardly think anyone hates José. Disappointment, yes. Frustration, yes. The desire to give him a bl00dy good shake and remind him how lucky he is to managing United, yes. Hate, very much no. Just another over the top word, used too casually, and only serves to ratchet up the emotion.

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31 Jul 2018 03:48:06
I’m not sure Jose can moan about the tour, didn’t he say after last years tour that he would love to come back this year? I seem to recall he did.

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31 Jul 2018 08:36:02
Don't get mixed up with underperforming and not a good player.
Mata was Chelsea player if the year twice playing right wing .
Some people can't see a decent player unless he is playing in a great team .
Some can't see a average player playing in a great team.
The "hate" for Jose is nothing compared to the "hate " shown to some of our players .

Poor Jose we have no good players.
Fellaini is awful, the same fellaini Jose rates very highly . Maybe just maybe Jose rates players differently to some on the site .
Could that be why the wig is a favourite or smalling starts every week Tony is captain etc etc.

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31 Jul 2018 09:15:57
Amswer yhe question jred which sqiad was worse and performed worse in last 26 years?
Stop waffling. Wig started 5 games last season not much of a favourite.

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31 Jul 2018 09:31:27
Ken
Again hyperbole the wig was Injured, played in our biggest game of the season the moment he was fit.
But that doesn't suit your silly argument .
Both squads under lvg were worse than this one .
Moyes squad was
And the last team fergy won the title by 11 points was .
And that's only going back 6 year not 30 .

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31 Jul 2018 09:58:46
Park
I never give an opinion?

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31 Jul 2018 12:28:18
I agree with park.
Thats exactly what i said jred silly billy. Jose took over tbe worst squad and worst performing squad for 26 years. So you agree.
Fergie squad that won the league is miles better jred they won the league.
You are like the proverbial empty bottle just making noise.

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31 Jul 2018 12:29:33
The wig was not injured jred he made the bench 16 times last season without getting a run. You remind me of that famous disney elephant . name escapes me.

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30 Jul 2018 16:30:22
Mina rumours gathering pace. Can any of the eds give an insight. Is he viewed as a starter or further padding?

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{Ed002's Note - He would be down the order after preference after Toby Alderweireld, Harry Macguire, ...}

31 Jul 2018 09:09:49
Thanks ed.

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{Ed002's Note - It doesn't mean he may not arrive as those above him on the "list" are all seen to be priced out of a move or at least over priced right now. But he would obviously be a huge risk for Manchester United and it could go horribly wrong. If Lyon offer a suffiecient amount for him they would also offer the player what I would think would be by far the best solution going forward.}

30 Jul 2018 16:03:49
I peruse a few United forums and this one is my favourite. This community has its personalities, its normally a great place to spend some free time during the day, but the last few weeks have been unbearable, the negativity is astounding.

Jose is judged differently than any other manager. He simply cannot win. Buys Mkhitaryan, swaps him 18 months later for Sanchez. The uproar of how he's wasting our money, how he throws players under the bus. St Pep buys Bravo, one year later replaces him with Ederson. Wow, Pep is a genius. What an astute signing.

A poster further down the page noted that pep has signed 20 players, Jose has signed 8 or 9. A few of you used that and a stick to beat Jose with.

He always plays boring football. Comebacks against Chelsea and City. The ease at which we beat Liverpool at Old Trafford, the dismantling of Arsenal at the Emirates. The four games at the start of the season. Comebacks against Palace and Watford. They're just the stand out games. But it's all boring isn't it?

In the 19 league games we scored first, we went on to win all 19. That's not a "park the bus" manager, that's a world class manager earning his corn.

Finished the league ahead of the best attacking team in the world Liverpool. We finished ahead of the best manager in the world Poch. We finished behind the record breaking City who recorded 100 points, a tally that no premier league team has ever set. A team that in two years spent well over £300 million on defenders alone.

But he doesn't play kids! Second only to Arsenal for academy graduates getting minutes. Mctominay has done well and played in some big games. Rashford played a lot, so to Lingard.

The same doom and gloomers are the ones that yearn for Poch. A manager that has won zero trophies. A manager who can't get extremely talented Spurs side near a trophy. The same fans that lost it when we signed Matic and Chelsea signed Bakayoko.

I am a Mourinho fan but he doesn't help himself at times. The Sevilla game was atrocious. The style of football can be turgid and rigid.

His carrot and stick routine could definitely use an upgrade. I can see what he's doing when he confronts players. He wants them to rise above and prove him wrong. Sometimes he goes overboard but that's the way he's gotten his success.

Jose is a smart man. Everything he does and says is for a reason. Regardless of whether or not you think he cares about the club, what you can guarantee is he cares about winning. He's picking a fight with the board because he wants players so we can challenge for the title.


The fact is, he has improved us. In every way you can calculate improvement, he has done it. Get him what he wants and he will deliver.

It's time to take a hiatus from this wonderful site. The negative ones have Jose in their sights. There is no escape!

Take care folks!

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{Ed004's Note - Very well written and argued post. Puts a lot into perspective. I'd like to add one more point. No other manager is scrutinised as much as Jose is both in the press and by the FA. We have seen other managers push assistants, make political statements and verbally assault referees without even a slap on the wrist. Whereas, Jose gets a ban for having his foot on the pitch (an offence other managers have committed to no punishment). Additionally, whatever is said in the media is magnified or even blatantly lied about like some of the quotes this week. Lastly, there's blatantly a different narrative with the way in which managers treat players. Stones didn't get a look in at the end of the season after Pep yet again spent 50 odd million on another defensive minded player. Yet there was no articles screaming for Stones to move on to fulfil his potential like there was for Rashford who has made more appearances under Jose than any other player (If memory serves me correctly)}

30 Jul 2018 16:16:31
Great post. Agree 100%. Wish I could like it more than once.

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30 Jul 2018 16:22:34
That’s a great post Mumbles, I’m not a fan of Jose but as I have said a couple of times, people get entrenched and defend a position, everything is black and white. I had a word with myself to try and be balanced but I guess passions run high. As I said on an earlier reply, I think we’ll do just fine when everyone is back.

My main beef with Jose is his public demeanour, I’m a great believer in culture and values and he projects negativity far too often for me. I just think it will have a definite effect on the players. Lighten up man!

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30 Jul 2018 16:35:39
Very well said Mumbles. and Edoo4. I confess to over reacting after the 2nd pre season game, and getting frustrated by Jose's moaning. But after a calming break and after thinking about what Ed002 says about the man, I am back on his side. I don't think it is just Jose that gets treated differently by the media, it is United in general, they love us to fail so they can write there garbage. let's as fans support everything United and not get sucked into their nonsense. I also think the doubters maybe surprised as the season gets going.

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{Ed004's Note - I would slightly alter what I said and think you're correct in saying United in general. When we are winning it's spun negatively to emphasise that we are destroying football and when we lose it's highlighted even further. You wouldn't think the shocking and dissappointing Manutd side finished above the majestic and exciting Liverpool side last season. Hasn't helped that our current legend seem to attack us at nearly every opportunity. Never mind opposition legends. Has souness ever made a positive comment on Pogba? He truly despises the guy no matter what he does}

30 Jul 2018 16:53:14
Some good arguments mumbles, mourinho is many times judged unfairly and is criticized far more than other but also a lot curating of facts to suit your arguments.

No one was sad to see mkhi leave or criticized mourinho for buying sanchez, most just wanted him to played on the right and so as not to screw over martial or rashford and mess up our already poor attack, criticism started when mourinho proceeded to do what most did not want and it failed spectacularly as sanchez performed as badly as a footballer can possibly perform. Also what St. Pep did was correct his mistake, what mourinho has done atleast on available evidence is compounding it, big difference isn't it.

handful of games cherry picked over the course of a 2 seasons does not prove anything, also was this dismantling of arsenal the game where we scored 2 early goals after which arsenal proceeded to basically lay siege to our goal and ddg had to make record no of saves in a game to save our bacon, not exactly the game i would want a manager taking credit for is it? Our play over the course of the season was rubbish and mourinho's anfield game tactics were at the root of it all.

Also why is it that specific managers are compared on specific criteria? Pep won trophies and accolades because he spent more money than mourinho, but klopp and pochetino didn't spend anywhere near as mou, atleast until this season, so why criticize them for it. You can't have your cake and eat it too my friend.

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30 Jul 2018 16:50:28
AJH, you can tell that Jose doesn't like the media. He's hostile towards them and looks bereft of life when talking to them. You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain. Jose was the breath of fresh air when he arrived in England. Now he's the anti-Christ. The darlings are Klopp and Pep. They can do no wrong.

Iv seen footage of Uniteds training over the last couple of weeks and when Jose is around the team, he seems in good spirits. Before one of the training sessions he walked around joking with most of the team but that doesn't fit the narrative.

A few players and him played football with a load of kids today. Iv only see need pictures but you can tell he's having fun. He quotes about how it's great having so many young players on tour, great for them and great for him and coaches to get to know them a bit better. No website or publication lead with those quotes.

I think the guy you see in interviews and press conference's is completely different to the guy who the players deal with day to day.

A lot of the print media are vermin. And should be treated likewise.

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30 Jul 2018 17:12:07
Fantastic read mumbles. Sums up my thoughts exactly at this present moment.

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30 Jul 2018 17:29:10
Mumbles,

I genuinely hope every person who has posted in the last week reads your post and takes something from it, I would love to give you a pat on the back as I think it is one of the best posts I have ever seen on here, well argued, sensible points, no sarcasm, enjoyed it.

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30 Jul 2018 17:34:01
Brilliant post mumbles.

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30 Jul 2018 17:35:54
Mumbles why take a break from posting mate. You post a lot of sense imo. Just because others want to vent their frustrations or havee differing onions to ours doesn't make them right.
Its funny old the people moaning a iut jose's moaning are actually more repediti e and more negatibe than jose himself imo.
Ajh says people are entrenched in their views. I am as are others. Then some people don't know what they want and just make noise for the sake of it. laugh them off pal.

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30 Jul 2018 17:39:21
Ed004

You can add Jamie Redknapp and John Aldridge into that pot also. Redknapp wrote 3 articles on the sly website between January and the end of the season on why Rashford should leave United.
As for Aldridge, he is just a bitter muppet. He has a page in the Sunday World here in Ireland. Can’t go a week without a dig thrown in somewhere.
Just two of many.

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{Ed004's Note - Exactly, it's an easy target to slag United players and the club. It sells papers as it gets a reaction. Non-united fans love to leave it and United fans get wound up and bite}

30 Jul 2018 18:08:44
Ken, I appreciate their posts. As I said, the reason this site is so good is that everyone has an opinion and is actually pleasant about it. I'm actually really looking forward to the start of the season and the doom and gloomers areally harshening my buzz . Some people could have Margot Robbie sitting on their lap and they'd be moaning about the rain outside!

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30 Jul 2018 18:20:22
Some would have Margot Robbie on there lap and all they would talk about are out full backs.

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30 Jul 2018 18:21:37
Mumbles

Well done, sometimes feels there are too few of us supporting the manager so I would say stay and give your views. If the owners support him with the right level of player he will deliver.

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30 Jul 2018 19:05:02
But there will also be the laps Margot wouldn't sit on at all jred in case you bored her to sleep😂
She might avoid noucamp in case she ended up in hand cuffs
Ajh is still getting over blind and Margot wouldn't like that.
Leahy is from cork so Margot knows better than to sit on his lap in case he picks her pocket😂
Beast would be avoided due the the violent past of mrs beast.
666 couldn't have her as he has ed001 on his lap.
Redman's hips couldn't take the strain at his age😂
Slim pickings for Margot on this page.

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30 Jul 2018 19:06:13
Mumbles you the man. What a great post make sure you keep posting don't you dare leave us. Its posts like yours that makes me keep coming back for more time and time again. Im a massive Jose fan and I know everything he does has reason in the same way SAF and Cloughie used to get under the Journos skin. I still believe he will get maybe 3 new signings before the start of the season and blow all the doubters away.
KEEP POSTING 😆😆.

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30 Jul 2018 19:20:02
Interesting post mumbles. But i agree with Common Sense re some of the comments. I also agree with Ajh re Mourinho's terrible demeanour and constant whinning. It is pathetic.
A question for you, apart from Lingard (Mctominay came in and played a few games), but which first team player has actually improved under Mourinho?

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30 Jul 2018 19:24:59
Post of the year mumbles.

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30 Jul 2018 20:01:14
Brilliant post mumbles, utterly brilliant!

posts like that should be saved in a 'utd archive' so we can look back at them. in yrs to come.

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30 Jul 2018 20:01:31
AAA, it's one of Jose's greatest qualities. Improving the number of goals conceded, improving the goals, improving the points total in the league without improving any players. He's a genius!

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30 Jul 2018 20:18:02
Mumbles,

😂😂😂 that made me laugh, funny.

Definitely keep posting, we need people fighting against the negativity on here, the season hasn’t even bloody started yet and the overreactions are embarrassing.

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30 Jul 2018 20:23:36
Ken
It's getting worse, really scrapping the barrel 😉.

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30 Jul 2018 20:29:31
Ken

I’ll step up if needed.

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30 Jul 2018 23:25:33
We can't have our cake and eat it. If we're going to bum and blow about being the biggest team in the world, then we have to expect most of the media attention, good or bad. Who gives two sh1tes about what other people say about us?

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30 jul 2018 15:54:23
first of all i would always support mu no matter what. but i'm really concerned about how the season is going to be for as, i know it haven't start jet but i'm concerned about two current big issues.

1. transfer market.

mou is right to criticized our transfer window, not only we haven't buy enough players to enforce the squad; let's be cleared we signed an injured young player and a brazilian that has to prove himself in a top league.

our "squad players", that most of as, considered not to be good enough to play for mu, apparently are not liked by other teams. imo these happens because mu always pays way over the price for squad players. as a result when mu is going to sell them they expect to make a profit or at least not to lose too much money (after all football is a business) and these reflects on the price tag each of our squad players has, and that is not matched or offered by the other teams.

i don't expect as to get any other player, when you see in the mu official page articles that say "why alexis is like a new signing" you can't get your hopes up.
and if you don't sell then is hard to buy. imo our best "signing" these market its clearly andreas pereira, i wanted him to play last season but he went on loan. i only hope he learned the most of that experience and comes to the team to fight and earn his place in our starting 11.

2. squad mood.

so far there are at least 3 players that we know have asked the team to sell them, and that so far looks like it's not going to happen. (pogba, martial and darmian)

i wish we don't sell pogba and martial but as it was been said in previous post there is no point in having a player in the squad that doesn't want to be there. i couldn't care less about darmian to be honest.

the issue is that i really don't think there's going to be a buyer willing to pay what mu want for these player, and because of these we are going to end having a squad with players with bad attitude and that are not going to give their 100% for the team; mou would have a big test in getting a good mood and response from these players; and avoiding these negativity affect the other players. this is something i don't think mou is particularly good with.

as a fan i can only hope that mu has a decent season (at least as "good" as the previous one) but in this moment i find it hard to believe. i hope i'm wrong.

ggmu!

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30 Jul 2018 16:25:24
Maybe the issue both ways is he priceds being quoted, that is why we are not buying or selling. We don’t to pay hat is being asked and other clubs don’t want to pay what we are asking. Or perhaps everything is delayed because of the World Cup. Everyone needs to calm down.

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{Ed002's Note - The club is right now in the process of trying to complete transfers.}

30 Jul 2018 17:49:50
Hi ed002. that's no surprise but good news all the same. i'm just wondering if the club have softened or changed their stance on using players in exchange or as a part of a deal to secure a new player? And if any of the deals they are working on could involve players moving in the opposite direction?
Without knowing the intricacy of such deals it makes sense to me.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any change but right now they have resisted to date - so would not discuss the likes of Martial as part of a deal for, say, Alderweireld. There remains work to do in respect of Martial and Pogba and there are a couple of others set to leave and additions to make.}

30 Jul 2018 12:48:13
If you think about Woodward has made 5 signings. Fred, Dalot, Grant, Fellaini and Kohler.

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30 Jul 2018 14:57:26
😂😂😂 mort.

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30 Jul 2018 15:32:54
He probably tried to sign a 6th player in 'Luke Shaw' but Shaw decided to 'earn his contract'.

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30 Jul 2018
New image uploaded to the
Manchester United Player Sightings page entitled, Definitely fake Man Utd top but still worth sharing

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30 Jul 2018 14:49:32
I'm fairly sure someone did a post somewhere showing that it is a shopped version of Smalling as the shirt has the exact same wrinkles and lighting. Would be a good signing though.

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30 Jul 2018 21:45:32
I will support the boss till the second he goes but the worrying thing is that the boss and a lot of players don’t want to be here that’s what guts me.

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30 Jul 2018 11:53:24
Hey Ed002,

The other day you mentioned clubs are hesitant of selling players before being confident enough of a day for the replacement.

Real Madrid was Rumours to be looking at a major rebuild (Ronaldo, Bale, Kroos, Modric, Kovacic, Isco, etc. all looking to leave/ on the market) yet not much happened so far.

Is there a huge transfer Domino being worked on right now that might or might not fall before August 9th then?

Thanks a lot.

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{Ed002's Note - I was absolutely clear that was to be over two years.}

30 Jul 2018 10:49:44
People are complaining about Willian not being good enough, yet Barcelona were after him and now allegedly Real Madrid are also after him. I guess he must have something worth buying then.

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30 Jul 2018 12:29:14
Then why on earth would Chelsea be happy to sell him? Especially when you consider that there is a good chance they could lose Hazard to Real Madrid this summer as well.

He has been at Chelsea for 4 years, and has had one great season the year Jose got fired.

I. The other three seasons he has been sporadically good. He has pace and plays very direct. He works well against teams that set up certain way. He is also an exceptionally hard worker, chasing down all balls and doing a lot of leg work for his team. So even when he doesn't play well he still contributes from a defensive point of view.

I would expect that both Barcelona and Real Madrid would have looked at him as a solid squad player. Although it has only been reported that they are interested and nothing has been substantiated with Madrid's interest.

Barcelona thought he was too expensive and went for Malcom instead.

I would be fine with Willian for anywhere between 30-40m.

I don't see the value in signing a 30 year old player who's best attribute is hard work for more than 40m.

Jose's main interest in him is he is a player who does what Jose wants without question. Which might be nothing of it might be an attempt to cling onto the power in the dressing room. Which is a worrying sign if true.

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30 Jul 2018 12:36:54
If those clubs really wanted him they could get him.

Nothing would surprise me anymore, maybe little favours between clubs to help drive an auction, it costs nothing to have your PR team create something out of thin air - who knows what goes on in the dark halls of power. The way we seem to pay a 30%+ premium on every signing makes me think Woody isn't part of the ITK club.

Willian will improve us, but by nowhere near enough for the money being talked about.

Barcelona and Madrid have not exactly been too astute in recent years with their signings either to be fair - so it could just be a case that the three clubs are a bit behind others with their transfer nouse at the moment.

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30 Jul 2018 13:24:01
Willian wants to join up with Jose he has openly stated that 😆😆.

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30 Jul 2018 14:59:38
Is willian a better option than what we have?
I think so. But if you took steve Coppell out of retirement he would also be Betsy than what we have on the right currently.

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30 Jul 2018 15:29:09
Ken,

Don't say that too loud, Jose will be trying to put a bid in.

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30 Jul 2018 15:50:03
I don't get all the drama and negativity to be honest GDS
2nd place last season despite all the media attention liverpool disimproved results wise in the league so did spurs so did Chelsea so did arsenal.
Only city and iurselves improved results wise.
With a few key additions i think we can compete to win the league. Like jose i don't think we can win without additions but he will keep us competitive regardless of if he gets new players or not. But it won't be pretty.

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30 Jul 2018 15:59:41
Did we ever look like the 2nd best team in the league last season?

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30 Jul 2018 16:11:00
Bilko
Yer imo we did
city looked very good all the rest inconsistent.
The scouse improved through out the season and concentrated on the CL towards the end .
Chelsea average arsenal poor? Spurs so so
But 86 points and 2nd tells it's own story .

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30 Jul 2018 16:50:09
Yet we finished 2nd. Even with what is in my opinion a poor squad and a poor 1st 11 in at least 4 positions.
The manager found a way for this squad to compete results wise.
Its dire to watch but with some of the players we have i don't expect any better. The few really high class players we have pogba sanchez matic ( in his role) lukaku have not got the quality around them in order to naximise their ability and strengths imo.
Lukaku has no service from wide where he used to feed off coleman and baines.
Pogba looked great when his partners controlled the tempo and had high energy pirlo and vidal. Nobody in our squad has been complimenting him like that.
Sanchez has no runners off him like he did while shining at Barcelona and arsenal. With static midfielders and full backs. Has little or no through balls into his runs either.
Some of that can be coached of course but you can't turn valencia or youmg into coleman or herrera into pirlo or scholes or de bruyne.

For me this summer it would have been
Kroos and another for midfield keep pogba and . Kroos and fred would be ideal for me. Leaving 3 places every match day between matic fred pogba kroos fellaini herrera jessie.

I would have signed 2 full backs. Sandro or max for left and dalot lioks an exciting prospectfor rb. Keep young and tony v

Cb was the least urgent imo but i think for bailley to thrive a good experienced leader alongside him imo would bring him on a lot. Toby is the obvious outstanding candidate.

Rw my primary targets would have have been koman or demble.

I think our style would improve with 2 leper full backs alone. We have zero width zero overlapping. Easy to box sanzhes martial mata jessie whoever, in if nobody runs past them.

We have spent big money no doubt about that. But paid way way way over the top for shaw martial and crazy fees for lukaku lindelof and pogba in particular. i'm pretty sure the manager does not negotiate price but because we overpaid for some players i stress not the managers fault we have not been ssme to address the weaknesses tjat obviously still exist.

For all the people that want a change of manager. Who would you like.
Lets say pep we all admirer the football he plays.
Or poch i think most admire the way spurs play.
Or zidane. Most admire his achievements at madrid.
If any of tbose came in could they apply their football with our squad.
Could they turn valencia into a walker trippier or carvajhal? Could they turn young into a marcello davis or mendy?
Or herrera or fellaini into a modric kroos or de bruyne?

No they would come in and want to replace those players for those more capable. Depite what has been spent.

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30 Jul 2018 17:09:48
Ken shame your not manager and we are stuck with Jose.

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30 Jul 2018 18:04:24
Well its a good job your not.

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30 Jul 2018 18:16:15
Ken lol it's that simple .
Great come back by the way.

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30 Jul 2018 19:17:08
Its not that simple at all jred. But that's what i would look to do with our squad.
Its all the areas ed002 said we wanted to address too.
Everybody has their fav players i think getting the blend right is important.
The manager knows where we are weak he just doesn't have the funds available to get them all done. Or he wants a couple too many in tje higher age bracket so its not easy at all. Plus nobody wants the players he wants to sell so its far from ideal from a trading point of view.

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30 Jul 2018 09:06:18
I have a question for the eds, seems to be a train of thought on here that since Jose has come to United he hasn't been backed by the club even tho we have blown millions.
I would be interested to see your thoughts on it.

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{Ed002's Note - The club has spent very large sums of money since he arrived so the train of thought regarding that is wrong. The club has to draw a sensible line regarding the signing of expensive aging players, perhaps that is the support the supports think he is not getting and should be?}

30 Jul 2018 10:33:27
I thought that would be the case ed.

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30 Jul 2018 10:50:51
Stop being so sensible you two. Everyone knows that the Board have been a disgrace and Jose hasn’t had any backing at all. Oh wait.

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30 Jul 2018 12:25:01
Very logical suggestion from the Ed on what's going on.
If this supposed list of 5 Jose targets does indeed consist of expensive, ageing players and the club are refusing to back it, then overall I have to say I agree with the club.
Jose seems to be taking us in a wrong and very costly direction, which would again require major rebuilding in the near term.

If this is the case, however, I suspect things are about to get pretty ugly I suspect and Jose has already begun kicking up a stink quite publicly. Interesting and concerning times.

The only exception to the above would be Toby Alder, who would improve our defence immediately and whose position allows him to play top level into his thirties. Wingers and forwards do not fit that category.

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30 Jul 2018 12:34:05
But Jose loves youth players and wants to give them a chance, look at McTominay.

Surely Jose wouldn't want to replace them with 29/ 30 year olds?

I mean sure, he wanted Zlatan, Sanchez and Matic and he got them. But Perisic, Willian, Kroos, Bale, Bonucci, Alderweireld are young really when you think about it. They could all go on and play for the next ten years at our club if we can keep Jose here that long.

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30 Jul 2018 12:41:14
Only reason is they don't want to pay out big money on players with no resale value. But they must've know what Jose was like when they hired him.

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30 Jul 2018 15:28:34
Mort
You keep posting that why.
Who have we sold for big money .
Most teams look to build for the future it is simply good practice .

Matic Sanchez ibra no resale value at all.
I can't think of a single player since Ronaldo who was treated like a slave and desperate to leave that we have made money on
Jose has been given bucket loads of cash has good player but the fan boys need an excuse .
It's man United not Jose United.

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30 Jul 2018 09:20:46
Just read United have 450mill euro done Jose joined that will go past the 500 before this transfer window is over.
Plus the very expensive free signings of ibra and Sanchez.

Pre season is a bit of a farce at the moment 17 first team players missing through WC and injuries . At least we have a manager who won't make an issue out of it and keep a cool head.

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30 Jul 2018 09:44:17
I think it was James Stretford that wrote
"Jose and Pep arrived at the same time. Pep has signed 20 players, Jose has signed 9. Rediculous to expect Jose to win a gunfight with a bread knife. "

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30 Jul 2018 10:00:32
Pep did what needed to be done. Jose didn't. Pep identified the weaknesses in the squad and patched them, we didn't.

Whether that is because Woody isn't great I don't know. How many players has Pep signed that have since been moved on?

The wastage at our club is simply astounding in no other business would it be tolerated.

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30 Jul 2018 10:52:00
That’s a decent post Beast. We bought players only to quickly ship them out at a big loss, some pretty shabby business done in recent years.

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30 Jul 2018 11:21:00
None of the players signed by Mourinho is shipped out for a big loss though. Zlatan was free when he came and left for free. We got Sanchez (might not fit United but a better player) in return for Mkhi.

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30 Jul 2018 11:24:13
Incompetence is endemic through the club.

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30 Jul 2018 12:55:54
Cyclo, Zlatan cost us somewhere between 30-60m in wages and agents fees. For 18 months, in which he made 33 appearances and scored 17 goals.

In no way could Zlatan be considered free or cheap.

The Sanchez/ Mkhitaryan swap cost us in agents fees and Sanchez is on higher wages and is a year older than Mkhitaryan. So we did incur significant costs in bringing in Sanchez.

Also as a side note, Mkhitaryan had scored and assisted more goals in his first six months than Sanchez has. So, it could be argued that those costs haven't yet improved us.

Those are the ones who have already been shipped out. The club has offered Pogba to four different clubs (Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG and Chelsea) . None of those clubs are interested at the costs involved. Which means if Jose is to get his wish and for ours and his record signing to be sold it will be at a loss to our club.

He also wants to sign another CB, with Lindelof's long term future in doubt. That will likely be another player we make a loss on which Jose bought.

Jose would also like the club to sell 75m+ worth of talent in Martial and Shaw, because he can't get the best out of them. Both are entering the final year of their contacts (although there is a further one year option with Martial) . It is likely we will make a loss on one or even both of them.

Jose has spent a over 450m, so far and only Matic and Lukaku look like genuine first choice starters in Jose's eyes. That is a shocking record, especially when that 450m figure doesn't include the Zlatan costs.

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30 Jul 2018 13:28:51
What do we care about the money. We are Man Utd if a player is wanted go and get him. It is not our money all we want is a winning team 😆😆.

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30 Jul 2018 14:02:19
BFRO, take a bow for the most stupid comment of the year. Well done son.

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30 Jul 2018 08:34:21
Jose is a very clever man and I believe his comments in press conferences are often planned and calculated. As the Eds have said before, we should take what he says with a pinch of salt. He also seems to have a very different persona behind the cameras.

I actually agree with quite a lot of what Jose says - the tour team is nowhere near the squad he will use for the season ahead. However, Jose will have known this a long time ago and surely would have signed off on the idea of another USA tour knowing it follows the World Cup.

We know from the Eds as well that the Jose/ Utd marriage is one of convenience. Utd knew what they were getting and Jose knew Utd weren't the progressive club he was after. Jose also signed a contract extension despite this, let's not forget.

So my question to the Eds is; are Utd fully committed to honouring Jose's contract?

If it's 'yes' then maybe everyone should just get behind the team and manager for the next few years and enjoy the ride.

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30 Jul 2018 09:37:05
How are we supposed to enjoy boring, negative, park the bus, anti-football?

Seriously, I would like to know as i would love to enjoy watching my club play again.

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30 Jul 2018 09:45:11
Shappy,

Did you watch the game on Saturday? Thought we played some really good stuff first half with pretty much a scratch team out, maybe wait until the season starts before we decide we are useless, pre-season results mean nothing and I am surprised so many normally level headed posters on here are getting their knickers in a twist over it.

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30 Jul 2018 09:46:22
Id' love to enjoy the ride, but it's akin to being on the merry-go-round for 2 year olds - boring and not what we queued up for!

I also think you are giving Jose far too much credit. Press Conferences/ Interviews are the opportunity for club representatives to inform the fans of their views etc. If they are doing as you claim then they are abusing the fans (I know they all lie or use them as tools to get a message to the board on occasions) - how about they man-up and knock on the directors door? Annoying the fans has hardly helped Jose to date has it?!

Getting behind somebody like Jose is difficult when he is like this He has lost that spark that made most people give him the benefit of the doubt. He is clever undoubtedly, but I think he is a one trick pony and even the most patient fans is tiring of seeing the same BS with absolutely no sign of it changing. It's like watching a world class magician at Vegas now working at your local working mens club 20 years later - tired, un-enthused and a waste of everyones time.

What is clever about lying and making matters worse? If he is so unhappy why did he sign that contract? Why are the club rewarding this behaviour?

I'd love to know the answers, my guess is that both the club and Jose are incredibly desperate - that feeds into the players who we are now seeing rebel or look depressed with their profession.

I appreciate you want to try and look for positives, but I think you are straw clutching doc. The whole thing needs nipping in the bud now, because God help us in 2 years time if he is still in charge. It's like watching the fall of Rome, rather than the building of it at the moment.

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30 Jul 2018 11:02:43
I think we know why Jose signed the contract, he’s making sure there’s another big pay off in the works when the inevitable melt down happens .

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30 Jul 2018 13:14:44
GDS, during Jose's first season we were told "this isn't Jose's squad" "he needs to bring in his own players" "just be patient".

And I was.

During his second season the same things were said, yet now Jose had bought 7 new players for his first team. 8 once Sanchez joined. And still the football was awful.

Jose could sign a million players, it won't change him or his style of play. If you listened to him at the world cup, praising teams for solid defensive performances. That is Jose that is how he will play no matter which players are available to him.

We might have played some okay football against Liverpool in the first half, yet we still only managed one shot on goal, which came from a set piece.

I appreciate that most of the first team aren't on the tour. But how you handle that is very telling.

Jose complains and says the board haven't bought him enough players. Yet fails to appreciate that nearly all of his targets were also at the world cup and had they been signed they would still not be on the tour.

He sulks and scowls, bitches and moans. If we see it then you can bet the players see it. Do you think Pogba or Lukaku see José's press conferences and think I can't wait to be back?

Also how do you think it affects the kids on your?

What's wrong with Jose coming out and saying something like this "we have many great players who have done so well at the world cup that we have to live without them on the tour. However, it gives me a great opportunity to see some of our outstanding young players, get to know them, see them play close up. That way if they are needed during the season I know what they can do. Plus they get to see what it means to be a first team player at a top club. These games are for practice and fitness, and I appreciate the fan know that, they might get to see the next superstar from our academy making their first strides into the first team. We might not win these games or even play well at times, but the experience especially for the young lads is first class".

Now if Jose had said something along those lines the whole mood amoungst the fans would be completely different. I don't see what he hopes to achieve with his negative agenda, it will only result in him bring the house down on his head.

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30 Jul 2018 13:32:22
Remember Van Gaal seemed to win a lot of pre season games and then lost at the start of the season to the likes of Swansea and WBA 😆😆
Jose will get it right this season. In Jose we trust (I think😆)

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30 Jul 2018 16:07:02
I would suggest jose does less bitching and moaning than you shappy😁.

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30 Jul 2018 16:17:26
Good speech Shappy. Good enough to win you Miss World/ Universe but Jose doesn't want that.

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30 Jul 2018 16:37:09
Out of the gloom a voice spoke. "Smile and be glad. Things could be worse". So I smiled and was glad and behold, things did get worse.

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30 Jul 2018 08:19:56
Hey Tony, when will you be rolling out your annual competition? let's see where most see us finishing. Also, wolves are recruiting well and so are Fulham, let's start speculating on your sheet.

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30 Jul 2018 10:39:13
Good shout, it’s ready to go but I’m in Croatia at the mo. Will try and do it next weekend or early the week after.

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30 Jul 2018 11:43:39
Thanks Tony. Appreciate your revert.

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30 Jul 2018 07:41:26
I used to be an optimist. Mourinho cured me of that towards the end of last season when, in disillusionment I returned to watching footie in the local park. I contemplated trying afresh this season aonly to find Jose busy making sure I don't have a relapse. I just don't see how he expects to motivate the players at United, attract others or endear himself to supporters. Without radical change, United will not make second and will struggle to make top 4 impossible.
Something has to give.

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30 Jul 2018 09:27:25
I assume he expects to motivate the players in the actual squad who want to be there and during the time he is with them not in a 2 minute snapshot interview.

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Review Of The Day 30th July 2018

30 Jul 2018 07:16:51
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 30th July 2018

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30 Jul 2018 00:19:50
I’ve generally kept away from this site this summer as it has particular difficult both on and off the pitch. I’ve proposed to my mrs and got the job of my dreams so thing have been particularly great for me.

I sit here and Assess
The whole situation and think what the heck is going on. We have a world class manager and that may be hard for some to stomach but we have. People complain but we have a manager who is prepared to challenge the statutus quo. It is quite clear for me and others (such as Redman) that the owners and board are happy to contend with top 4. We have manager who is so committed to winning the league yet the board and Woodward are do not share the same ambition.

Question is who is who is to blame? Touch question . On the surface Jose has been particularly worrisome and extremely hard to stomach for his comments. But can you blame him. He asked for 5 players and we haven’t delivered on one! Let that suck in. Conversely the argument is he has been. Backed to the hilt. I can appreciate this view as he has signed sanche, Lukaku pogba and bailly. But pep has signed 20 and Jose 9. Hard to see how this is fair.

Just to reiterate I hate jose’s Style. It is painful sad for such a great manager to resort to defensive tactics. He has not really adjusted to modern football and that is a concern. Who do we turn to? Who is eligible to take take on the mantel of United. Tough to say. But it is Tim we start playing the United ways. Start entertaining the millions sitting at home walking up at 4am yo watch our beloved team. Do I want to sack Jose? Tbh no. He is not being backed. But the key is that he is not getting the most out of the world class players we have at our disposal a sanchez, pogba and Lukaku are utterly world class and would grace any team. Let us nurture and build the team around them. Sorry for the long post but I’ve really struggled with the negativity and struggle that had been prevalent during this time. We have some very good players coming through and through purchasing. Time Jose gets the best of them. Personally I’m happy with progress and think we will be fine once new signings make their mark. Only Time
Will tell.

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30 Jul 2018 01:39:08
Dude. This 9 to 20.

You do realise mourinjo demanded pogba and in the same summer United could of had kante, mane and sane.

Even paying more than the club's paid for them.

You could of won the title on the back of those 3. Instead your stuck with pogba and paid 90 million for him to come into some sort of consistent class. You don't pay that for development 🤣

I'm not trolling but mourinjo has made mistakes in the players he has bought and your reaping the rewards for that now. Whereas us at the pool are benefiting from ours. That's the game really.

Pogba or kante where the choice. Kante would of made you title challengers but pogba made you buy fred and matic to just accommodate him.

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30 Jul 2018 05:22:02
Park, I was going to write a post but it would have been mostly what you've written. People are losing their bowels at this preseason. I seen preseason's where we have played extraordinary and started the season flat. And I've seen the opposite. They mean absolutely nothing.

As ed002 has said, we are working on bringing in players. It would have been ideal to get them in sooner but there hasn't been a lot of movement in Europe yet.

Jose is a man with his back against the wall. This is what he does. He's not afraid to call out the board so the blame doesn't fall on him and as supporters, that should be commended. If we can get a couple of additions and navigate the first few games before we have our full squad back, I think we have every chance of mounting a challenge.

As for you Kloopsboss, winning the league is that easy is it? You'd want to tell Krusty the clown about your winning formula. Klopp has never even made his missus a cup of tea, he's never got close to a cup!

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30 Jul 2018 06:35:21
Well said Park and Mumbles.
I can’t say anything about Kloppity not winning anything and missing out since 2012. Achieve first before you start shooting at others. Nothing compared to Jose who put silverware in the cupboard despite playing boring footy and not his desired players. So Kloppity supporters should zip and only comment when there is silverware won.

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30 Jul 2018 07:00:07
Never seen any other story in the media and then"confirmed' on here than that Kante made his mind up he was going to Chelsea long before UTD showed any interest.

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30 Jul 2018 07:59:34
It’s not te preseason that peolpe are exeriaed anout. It’s Jose’s negativity and whining. He wants more players whilst trying to ship out the likes of Pogba. Do you really think this is all for the press, and around the squad he is positive and talking about winning the title? I don’t, he is sending clear messages to the players that ‘you aren’t good emough’. Some will say that’s fine but for me, if just creates a very negative environment.

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30 Jul 2018 08:41:13
But they are not good enough ajh. Should that be a secret? Poor players in too many positions. If jose was telling the world we were world beaters and good enough would you believe him? Would the players?
I wouldn't.

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30 Jul 2018 09:30:54
It would de motivate me seeing the way he carries on - the bloke is a PR disaster -whether that it is important or not is open to interpretation.

For a manager of MUFC to be favourite with the bookies to be first PL manager to be sacked is another stain on the clubs image for those who care about such things.

Players are not immune to all the noise positive or negative around the club. My patience with him is being sorely tested.

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30 Jul 2018 10:16:49
If we could have got Sane, Mane and Kane now that really would have been insane. What a front 3.

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30 Jul 2018 10:43:35
I don’t think it’s that black and white ken. There are a bunch we need to move on and some we need to nurture and develop. I actually think we will do ok when everyone is back, Rom, Rash, Lingard, Young, Pogba, even Lindelof all had deep World Cups and their confidence should be sky high. Full backs are the key for me, we lack an attacking threat as they all stand on the ball and slow it down. Pacey, attacking full backs would make a real difference.

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30 Jul 2018 14:42:40
Totally agree ajh.

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