Manchester United Banter Archive August 31 2013

31 Aug 2013 23:25:11
I've been watching a few YouTube videos of Herrera and to be honest I don't think he's worth £31m (e 36m). I think he'd be a good addition, better than Cleverly and Anderson but the price is too steep. let's be honest is he better than Cabaye? who has Premier League experience and could be sold closer to £14m.
Is he better than Demebele? How much would he cost now? 20m max?
Imo we shouldn't meet out the clause. What do you think Ed?

You have been watching a few you tube videos and you don't think he is worth 31m. Well thanks for that in depth analysis, and tactical comment. If only I had your knowledge I would be twice the person.

I'm not saying he's worth that, but in today's market you have to pay it to sign the players you want. If he valued at 36million and we feel we need him we have to meet the buy out clause, if bayern want a player and are told 36 million they will pay it no haggling over a price or anything so I think if he's a player moyes feels we need then we have to pay his buyout

Dump

I was being honest, I didn't want to come off as pretending to have watched the player. When people were talking about Thiago I didn't say anything until I watched the whole U21 european championships, and I only watched it because of thiago and it was clear he was the type of player we needed. Before the news broke fo a bid non of us would have had in in our top 10mf targets!

Caolan

I agree sometime you have to pay extra, but i'm saying if we are going to spend 36million euros can we not atleast bid on modric/gundogan/ kondgobia etc. as there are better options out there imo. I think moyes is panicking.

36million euros is the price Gotze was bought for!

31 Aug 2013 22:35:38
Lads, I don't have a tv and I need a link to match of the day asap. Thanks in advance.

If you download google chrome you can see matches on there with their free app

Wiziwig mate, I use it regular, there will be dozens of streams on there.

Cheers guys

Www.argos.com cheap tvs . treat yourself mate its 2013

CAIN

Sadly CAIN my tv broke today and I was unable to get tv in on my old one, so was in a bit of a bind to see the action. Hopefully will be able to enjoy us beating liverpool tomorrow.

Go on vipbox good streams and not just football every sport including all the pay for view boxing:)

31 Aug 2013 21:28:00
Moyes hasn't got a clue, we're already languishing in sixth BEHIND STOKE. FACT.

I blame Woodward. It's obvious that he is the real reason that Stoke are ahead of us. We should have gone for Mark Hughes as our manager - I heard he once played for our great club?

:D

LOL

On a brighter not, City were sh.t today. If Hull had a half decent striker, they would have won that game. City seem so open.

Sounds like my bets today got pretty much everything wrong. Anyone find the Bundesliga difficult to predict? that and the pl killed me today :)

Brilliant dodgy, never fail to make me laugh on here.

I await the people who take it seriously.

Stick to home teams, munchengladbach and hanburg are good at home, I was however surprised to see schalke beating leverkusen after how poor they were in the champions league qualifiers

I did but picked the wrong sides. Picked leverkusen and Nurnberg. Stayed away from the other games as I thought they were too tough to separate :)

31 Aug 2013 21:12:43
Juve got Vidal for €11m but there's no value in the market, this guy is on another level, without a doubt the best box to box midfielder in the world at the minute

Anon I fully agree, he's the player I wanted utd to go for this summer, he's class at the moment will only get better, I think Real but a bid in for him this summer but it was turned down.If real can't get him, we haven't a hope, the way our transfer window has gone!Absolutejoke.com

31 Aug 2013 20:05:58
Encouraging words for us from Ande Hererra's father, although he says it could be difficult for his son to leave Bilbao because he worked very hard to get there but he says, "its upto Manchester United". , and that says it all, the boy is interested but it's upto Mr Woodward to stop dilli dallin bids and meet exactly what his buy out clause states €36m. Ed believe me this one is our man come Monday 11pm

I think it is also encouraging that Bilbao have brought 19 players for tomorrows match against Real madrid so that they have a spare player in the case that Herrera drops out.

I just read the same quotes and I think hid dad is saying it was our decision to bid for him and not initiated from their camp mate.

31 Aug 2013 19:05:36
Am I the only one that has said from day one of this transfer window that we will not sign anyone? A new CEO and manager, so a new relationship between them both new to the club and DM would want to take stock of what we already have before buying. However we can all see that we lack a quality center mid and a left winger however perhaps DM believes was have already got the qualities needed to retain the EPL?

I do hope that am I completely wrong and we do sign Fellaini, De Rossi or Herrera? But realistically we probably just end up with Fellaini which I'd be happy with as I feel all we really lack is some steel. Use adnan, zaha and lingard more this year and not do what SAF did to Pogba and Freyers get them involved with the first team.

Never mind bring on the spouse and can't wait to go to the palace game.

Tucker

We're all frustrated mate. We'll sign before Tuesday, I'd put my season ticket on it. I do admit it's been a terrible window though.

31 Aug 2013 18:49:58
I fancy us to smash that scouse lot tomorrow lads. I'm sat in a scouse boozer with lads getting ready for a cracking day. We are Manchester united. 1-3.

Don't think you will. Moyes never one at anfield in 10 years with Everton, ok utd a better team but it will be playing on the minds of players as well as manager. Moyes not the right guy for the job. SAF got a lot of decisions right, a hell of a lot but think this one is a big mistake. You may find yourselfs struggling for top 4 this year and you will all hound at Moyes that its his fault. Which it will be of coarse. 2-1 pool the morn and top of the table. :)

We'll see tomorrow. You've had two very uninspiring wins against limited opposition. Your best player is banned & your defense is very dodgy IMO. I can see RVP & Kagawa causing you some problems. Come back after the game & tell me I was wrong. Or more than likely right. & as for top four, we'll either win it or finish second & you know it. Must be hard for you guys knowing you're only chance of silverware is the Micky mouse cup.

Lol Liverpool fans think just because they beat two mid table teams 1-0 (with Stoke it could have easily been 1-1 hadn't Mignolet saved the penalty) they're going to have a good year lol.We may struggle for top 4?When was the last time we didn't qualify for ucl for you to say it and when was the last time we didn't even finish top two, 2004-05 I believe?With signings or not, we're always going to be favourites against you, you don't even stand a chance for top 4, top 3 will most probably be Chelsea, City and us (without order) and Tottenham are massively improved so they will finish 4th at worst.Good luck with fighting it out against Arsenal for Europa League, that's where you belong anyway.

At least we know you will only get worse JRC08

Well we will see what happens at the end of the game and if we loose I will come on here and say that I was wrong and you were right but if you loose go onto the pool site and admit we were the better team. As for Nicholas_United, what a stupid statement in if he didn't save the penalty it would have been 1-1. If De Gea didn't save those shots at Swansea it would have been 4-4. Same thing ye muppet. But he did save it and we won just like your keeper made the saves and you won.

Liverpool have played two games and were probably lucky to come away with the three points in both those games. Granted, they have played some nice football; but without Suarez, they lack a lot of punch.

I fancy us to win tomorrow.

Done deal. Hope you like humble pie son.

01 Sep 2013 11:25:22
You mean they lack bite.

31 Aug 2013 18:42:34
Manchester United has sent in a £10, 25m bid for DeRossi and have had a €10m bid for Sneidjer rejected

31 Aug 2013 17:55:09
When it comes to transfers I don't, and have never put us among the elite in terms of getting the job done.

To me, you have the top bracket, where teams want a player, bid the amount the club want and get the player;

RM, Barcelona, Chelsea, PSG, City, Bayern etc. (I don't think spurs should be in this bracket yet).

Then you have clubs like us, who test the waters and then run as fast as they can if we can't afford or don't see 'value' in the player, clubs like;

United, AC Milan, Juventus, Arsenal, etc.

We're a top club but we just never get the job done.

Over the years we've been in for several top players, and as far as I can tell RVP was the only world class player to join us over other teams.

I think another indication of how we fair in the transfer market (rightly or wrongly) is our maximum amount we've paid for a player;

Real Madrid - £80M
Barcelona - £61M
Chelsea - £50M
PSG - £57M
Monaco - £53M
United - £32.5M

I think that says it all really, players may not be 'worth' £50M+ but nowadays you have to move with the values. and it just doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon.

Do I want us to spend like PSG? hell no.

If anything, I want us to spend like Bayern, The club want £30M? pay them £30M. deal done.

My last point, is that although I may complain about transfers, come September 2nd, I will completely forget about the transfer window and enjoying watching the great squad we do have, with some of the best players in the League.

So those teams are 'elite' because they throw silly money at clubs in order to get players? Not sure I would agree.

The best teams in the transfer market are Porto and Spurs. Quality players at good prices and massive profit from selling them on a few years later.

The teams you mention are poor when it comes to transfers. Rather than buy a player for a good price they wait until they have already signed for another club and pay two or three times the amount - often only a year or two later!

31 Aug 2013 18:27:12
I completely agree Moon mate.

I don't wanna see us be held to ransom but sometimes you just need to pay what is needed to get the player in.

I think we need more football men at the club and less business men.

31 Aug 2013 18:38:11
Agree with most of that Moon especially our transfer policy. "Some of the best players in the league" - apart from in midfield, our midfield is shocking.!

Totally agree with you Moonio.

Playing hardball for 4-5 million for one player isn't going to be very significant over the period of 3-4 yrs. Its better if we just pay what the selling club wants and get the player we want.

I agree to an extent that we should be getting the deal done as it were but I also do not want us spending over the odds just to get the player. I just wish we would be willing to go that little extra that we seem to be missing at the minute and I don't think that is too much to ask for.

No name, the best club in the transfer market is Real Madrid. make no mistake about it.

They set their sights on a player and do everything they can, even bend the rules to sign them.

Behind them is Bayern imo, they simply ask the club what they want for the player, if they think its a good deal they go for them, if not, they don't.

they also have a great knowledge of player contracts, Martinez, Gotze, Thiago, Shaqiri all signed through buy out clauses over the past 2 summers.

Now, I don't want us to pay £40M for Craig Gardner. I want us to recognize someone like Vidal would turn us into serious contenders to win the UCL and then pay the £45M for him.

Simple as that really.

personally I believe we will sign De Rossi and nobody else.

I tend to agree on the fact we will sign 1 player.I would rather sign De Rossi than Fellaini and not pay over the top for ok players and wait and see what we can do in the jan window depending where we are placed in the league.

De rossi is one hell of a player even at 30 and will give us a good 3 years and for 12 million that is a good investment compared to getting fleeced and paying 10 to 15 million too much for other players.

Completely agree moon. You are spot on!

Moon, I hope you're right about de rossi.

shappy's expressed concerns about whether he could adjust to the pace of the premier league.

I'd just love to find out.

31 Aug 2013 17:10:34
Has everyone got there rants ready for Monday transfer deadline day? I have a bad feeling, just don't think anyone will be willing to let players go so late, and find it mad how we didn't even bother with Ericsson {Ed007's Note - Don't you think there are enough sponsorship deals?}

Haha nice one ed!

Love that Bond

31 Aug 2013 18:42:12
Think this site could go into meltdown Tuesday morning lol

31 Aug 2013 16:49:37
In the next two days we will find out whether the Glazers have ambition for the club beyond the next sponsorship deal. Will we be happy or just amazed at the paucity of our ambition with our only addition the big Belgian?

I have to say I have been shocked by our efforts in the market so far. It has appeared to be a shambles with offers being made in a disjointed way to date. I wait to be proved wrong but so far there seems to be an obvious glass ceiling of £30m per player imposed on our spending. Sydney may deny it but that is the only conclusion so far and signing Fellaini is not going to disprove it. 11pm on Monday we will know but there is an awful lot to do now and little time.

Even if we buy we will be three games in including two important ones and we still have to integrate them into the club. The strategy may save a little money but cost precious points.

I don't think we can blame Moyes on this, it has to be down to the set financial direction dictated by the owners carried out by the CEO. Many criticise Mourinho but would he accept our efforts if they didn't bring the players he requested, would he accept offers being made well under valuations then not following through?

So Glazers it is time to show us the money.

We hear this excuse or that excuse but other teams have proved time and again if you put the money on the table you can buy the top players.
You hear a lot of people say but "he's not available what can you do " well gotze, Martinez cavani falcao where only available at the right price.
United are a massive club and top players will come here if the money is right,
Fabergas was never going to come for 30 mill and no matter what some people will say we will never know what might of happened if we had tempted barce with 40 mill, would barce of turned it down what would fabergas of done if Barcelona accepted.
Would Dortmund of turn 35/40 down for gundgeon
I'm not one of the people who think it's fifa and expect 100 mill spends and expect 5 signings but I was hoping for a top quality cm not because it's exciting but because I feel it would make a massive difference to the first 11

Imo, the responsibility has to be collective and they should all share the blame. The Glazers, Moyes, Woodward are all equally responsible imo. Its all been poorly handled right from the start with Thiago being the start of it.

As for "would Mourinho have accepted this", I don't think Chelsea have set the world alight so far with their signings as well and have, imo failed to bring in what they actually needed, which was a top striker and a defensive midfielder.

Spurs and City have done some good business though although City lost out on Isco.

31 Aug 2013 18:21:40
I'm not sure if I agree that there is a glass ceiling at 30m. But I do think that way we seem to be run atm is that the accountants hace the final say.

I appreciate that we need to run the club in a financially sound manner, but there needs to be more of a focus on the football.

At the moment it seems like we have too many business people and not enough football people at the club.

If you look at Bayern they have ex players working at the club all the way through the club at every level. That means they have an insight into the world of football and that understanding helps improve the club.

Ed Woodward is the perfect example of a man who is an expert in the world of business but is lacking in footballing nous.

Moon said that he thought we need a sporting director and I agree with him. We need someone who can work as a go between between the business men and the coaching staff at the club.

Are we looking to be the biggest brand in the world or the best football team .

Munich are the bench mark at the moment, won everything last year and continue to improve the first 11

{Ed044's Note - Interestingly another Ed was discussing the return on investment that AON feel they have got from Man Utd.}

31 Aug 2013 16:11:22
What do people think about Ryan Bertrand for left back?

Assuming we are not able to sign BAINES, SHAW or our other LB targets I think BERTRAND would be a decent option.

He's out of the team only because of Cole and as Buttner is also going on loan we could do with another player in that position. Though the chances of Chelsea selling him are not very high.

I actually really like Bertrand as a professional.

Whether he's good enough to be a first choice left back is a different question all together.

I would put him in the same bracket as the Cleverleys and Hendersons of this world.

great little squad player, nothing else.

31 Aug 2013 15:57:48
I don't know how many supporters I will offend by saying this.
Watching last 3 games, I can't understand why we are buying fellaini? Specially anything above 15m? He don't look like that player.
If we are just buying for having depth, I will dare say promote devidee petrucci and janujaz. They will provide depth. And we definatly have ageless giggs to fill in.
No need for this kind of playing fellaini.
Yes if he is saving himself and playing with mind wash. I don't know. Definatly moyes would know batter.

Moyes would definitely know Batter, the scots love a good ol' frying session!

Fellaini is different to every midfielder Utd have. He isn't a technical player that will play further upfield. He's a strong physical player that will help to break things up and free up Carrick a little. He's been played out of position at Everton for the last two seasons due to lack of players there. Both Moyes and the player himself have said that he will contribute more from a deeper position. I honestly think he'll be a really good signing, especially if we also bring in Herrera or someone like him to play a midfield 3 against the bigger teams.

He He He nice one centurian liked it liked it.

Son of Sir Matt

I don't believe Felaini has the passing or finesse for a central midfield role that would take us to another level. Decent player that causes problems when played in a particular way.

We have been so starved of signings I wonder whether some will hail signing Fellaini as a master stroke solely out of sheer relief.

Remains to be seen but I think Fellaini would be perfect for United we shall all be surprised how good he actually is

Oh and USE LOGIC christ you pick a name like and then claim Giggs can do what Fellaini will donee your head read mate

Pardoe.
U dnt get the point. I have put fellaini in the bracket of players who just fill in and contribute in passing side and back ways.
So that was simple logic

31 Aug 2013 15:47:18
Tomorrow those ****** down the M62 are going to discover why we are Manchester United. Yes we are going with a new manager and with no new players but whatever team that Moyes puts out will be wearing the shirt and know what it means to wear the shirt. I know we will beat them easily and the support will be magnificent. I managed to get a brief so can't wait. {Ed007's Note - Enjoy your day mate.}

To be honest a draw would not be a bad result. They are on a good run of form and after all it is at anfield and even at their worst they are always very hard games.

What you talking about we are going to absolutely slaughter them

I hope you are right. I expect a very tough game.

I agree kloot 3-1 united

God created utd. go and stand in the corner and think about what you just said

Andrew

They are undefeated in their last 15 games and finished last year on a pretty good form and BD seems to have settled down and has a decent squad.

Just being realistic mate and 100% sure there are many other here, who would concur. Tomm will be very tough and the worst thing god forbid is if we lose, that plus the shambles of this window will be very hard to stomach.

31 Aug 2013 14:37:37
Looks like we Herrera isn't coming to us now. FFS

Looks like no one is coming. If fellaini and baines war on the cards, they would be benched today. Buckle up I guess and go with what we have. Next summer will be no better because of the world cup and most players and teams will wait until after the wc to do deals.

Don't worry, is there any better state of intent by DM from a young right back who could never make it to the first team?

Can't see fellaini or Baines now

31 Aug 2013 14:05:23
Thought all Everton fans were starting to lose it when I saw one say on twitter, "would you take £10m + Hernandez for Fellaini, definitely" . But then sanity was restored when another Evertorian replied "Hernandez wouldn't touch us with a barge pole." Haha amazing.

31 Aug 2013 13:41:13
I still can not believe the amount of money Fernandinho went to city for. I think he is a £15m player at best.

Which is what a few of us said at the time while others were panicking about how we should have bought him. Not a bad player, just not a great one. Same goes for Navas.

31 Aug 2013 13:30:23
As a United fan I like the fact David Silva has been poor for the last 18 months but as an all round football fan as well that enjoys watching certain players play well, it is rather confusing as he is a top player and just doesn't look the same as he did 2 years ago. It hink it may be the fact they play him wide left then comes in and I don't think it suits him at all.

31 Aug 2013 13:29:51
1st half. Hull midfield of Tottenham rejects has made city midfield look very very ordinary. Even though they are at their full strength.

Eventually they lost but fair play to them, should have got at least one goal.I thought Brady was very good, shame he's gone.

Huddlestone is going to be key for them this season, his passing is great and doesn't panic under pressure! Good he'll get regular football too! Brady did look alight but never could have made it at United.

I am going to get a lot of abuse for saying this, but city were always going to be a worse team selling tevez. Despite him being a greedy scheming shister, he always gives 100% on the pitch, if you can get him on the pitch.

31 Aug 2013 12:16:30
Dear Eds, can you please let us know if there is any truth in this supposed De Rossi bid? Have me made one or are we seriously about to do so?

Herrera is a very interesting move, took us by surprise. If he can give us what we really need, which is the ability to:
1. Receive the ball under pressure and get out of trouble with good feet.
2. Distribute the ball quickly and, importantly, positively from the centre.
3. Pick out a killer pass in the final third.
then we should pay what is necessary to close the deal. He's not the Fabregas-level signing we wanted and yet the fee seems huge, but I can imagine his potential wages would be significantly lower, so that 'saving' must be considered.

Cheers.

31 Aug 2013 11:51:11
Not long left to agree prices with clubs, personal terms (if not already done) and get medical carried out.

When players need to come from abroad and down the A580.

Getting worried now

31 Aug 2013 11:25:31
A lot of activity around Carrington this
morning Sky and press trucks and a
whole lot of pap!!?! Something
brewin

I just hope United wait until Evertons match is over before announcing the signing of the Belgian Big Hair.

Yeah Man United v Liverpool ;)

31 Aug 2013 10:34:47
I'm all for sticking up for your club and for your players but Mourinhos post match interview last night was beyond cringeworthy.How can he honestly stand there and catergorically state that the best team lost, His team had 26% possession and Bayern had 41 shots! If they would have won last night it would have been even a bigger travesty than the champions league final. Then to cap it all he states that Ramires should never have been sent off when the world could see that it was a straight red let alone a second yellow.All of you out there that posted that you wanted that egotistical, attention seeking, arrogant narcissist at our club should take a long deep sigh of relief and thank whatever deity you pray too that Fergie also knew what the vast majority of us reds believed, And that was to keep "the special one" as far away from our club as possible.

Yes, we should be relieved that we let a charismatic, proven winner who can attract world class players slip through our grasp. A reality check togthered, Moyes hasn't proved himself to be any of those things yet.

A brief note on his "cringeworthy" post match interview. Do you not feel that is exactly how supporters of other teams felt about SAF? Can you not remember the unbearably cringeworthy comment suggesting that the Swansea player (sorry can't recall the name) "could have nearly killed RVP", just for kicking a ball at him. Good managers defend their respective clubs regardless of whether it is justified and Mourinho is without doubt a good manager. If you can't admit that you are an ignorant fool.

Ramirez tackle is how you break peoples leg.

I love watching Goetze and Hazzard both great players. As I said before Mourinho is a loud mouth and his honey moon period is going to end soon and the press once they turn on you are a nasty bunch.

Bayern are an exceptional team and I think Jose got the tactics spot on. They played better against bayern yesterday than they did in the champions league final, and will improve and be very hard to beat. I don't think I have ever heard Jose come out and give much credit to any opposition, it's his way to make his players feel like winners instead of having lost a match. Bit like fergie in many ways.

Rumpelstilskin, I was at an amateur game one Sunday morning when an attacker fell over in the tackle, the defender the booted the loose ball hitting the attacker. That boy went in to a coma which he never came out of, now who is the ignorant fool?

Rumplestiltskin Sir Alex earned the right to say what he wanted over 26 years of hard graft virtually raising a phoenix from the ashes single handed.Mourinho rides in on his silver steed (Only to clubs with money mind) rampages around like a bull on heat for a couple of years and rides off into the sunset when bored or as generally happens he gets sussed out for what he is. I hardly think its his sparkling personality and charisma alone that attracts all of these so called "world class players" the billions of Abramovich, Perez et al might just have a say in it. The guy on the other touchline last night is the proven winner as you put it, always classy, respectful and dignified, Unlike this tiresome arrogant eye gouging thug.

Anniewithoutmakeup that is a very sad event to have had to endure, Kinda puts things into perspective.

Annie, so football induced comas are the rule rather than the exception are they? Hardly ignorance, when it is a statistically improbable occurrence. Failure to acknowledge Mourinho's credentials as a manager, on the other hand, is, as it is in direct contradiction to his impressive managerial record.

Regardless, forgive me for taking your word with a pinch of salt but you have form for fabrication.

Togthered, I think you need to attenuate the rhetoric a little, "phoenix from the ashes", little dramatic don't you think?

You infer Mourinho only associates with teams with money, so how do you explain his success with Porto? It was such that made him a desirable quantity to Europe's elite clubs, the fact that he has managed to maintain that success in numerous leagues throughout Europe is testament to his ability. Guardiola, although undoubtedly a talented coach, still has to prove that he can replicate the success he enjoyed with Barcelona.

His success with Porto was hardly groundbreaking when you consider the standard of opposition. And before you choke on all that hair garnered from the princess in the tower I know he won the champions league, But we all know that embarrassing jig down the touchline at OT would not have happened without the Scholesy disallowed goal and every other club since he has had massive financial backing.Iwill not dispute that he is not without merit but he has always been and will remain a classless flybynight that will run to the hils at the merest hint of adversity. Let me ask you this who would you want alongside you in the trenches Moysie or Mourinho. I rest my case.

I'm not entirely sure what trench warfare has to do with the managerial credentials of either Mourinho or Moyes. Managers are judged on trophies won and Mourinho can't be criticized for that.

The analogy references character, durability, honesty, commitment and reliability all traits sadly lacking in you Portuguese Demi-god but not methinks in mr Moyes.

If Mourinho were here instead of Moyes you wouldn't be here talking about this. So, you want to have your post as the brightest one, so be it!

31 Aug 2013 09:31:12
Ed just wondering why you didn't post my last, I don't think it was offensive or aggressive? {Ed044's Note - I have no idea mate.}

31 Aug 2013 09:51:21
Last weekend of the transfer season and our shopping trolley is empty, largely through tactical ineptitude in the way we've carried out our business. No doubt we'll be busy this weekend but, given the timescale, we are bound to end up paying top dollar. Hope lessons have been learnt!

31 Aug 2013 09:28:28
Anyone know why schweinsteiger wasn't in the lineup last night?

Carrying a knock mate

He wasn't fit

Ankle

He has an ankle injury

Wasn't fit enough because of injury

31 Aug 2013 09:22:45
I m being honest.
When transfer window started, and we were strongly linked with thiago and febregas. I wad having a long chat with my cousine.
It was time of uncertinity, we werr struggling to get any genuine deal with Barca. And Barca was related with this herrere guy to replace Febregad should he choose to leave.
So in fun, I told him why are we making this cat and mouse game? They are linked with Herrera to replace him so he definatly must be good. Then why not we go and buy him straight away! Deal will be cheap and quick than febregas.
And now when we are listening the bid is rejected and we may buy his release clause; we are simplying laughing on that LOGICAL thought at that time.

I personally haven't seen much of him and can't say if he will be a good buy or not. But I will continue with my simple logic that if barca can think of replacing febregad with him; he must be a very good talent.

Lets hope we manage to reinforce much needed midfield. As reports are flying we are negotiating for de rossi, fellaini, and herrera. Any two will give us nice options and steel.

31 Aug 2013 09:09:13
I posted some time ago whether people thought Moyes was interested in someone that the general media were not aware of. It seems to be the case as I don't recall Herrera being mentioned in discussions. I do however remember being impressed with the Bilbao team that put us out of Europe. Hope we sign the lad.

We willl need to wrap this up today or it won't happen. Monday is leaving it too late to sign players from outside prem in my opinion. We've had to raise bids all summer long for our targets, having started with low bids. - We have failed to wrap up deals for Fabregas - Fellaini - Baines because of this. I think that unless we meet hererra's release clause we won't get him. We can't even negotiate with the player until we come to an agreement with the club! Hopefully things will progress quickly today. Have a funny feeling it won't though.

I kind of agree the majority of transfers on the final day are within the prem but I'm pinning my hopes on the fact old Arry Redknapp managed to sign VDV from Madrid on the final day and that was 'trific' haha

31 Aug 2013 08:32:37
There must be developments today I am looking forward to seeing what happens. Who do yous think we will end up with I still think there could be a suprise maybe sign someone that hasn't been linked out if the blue.
On another note doesn't it annoy you having to wait an extra day for the match.

Maybe Turan or Banega. I think if nani is staying we would pass on Turan but Banega is maybe the surprise signing. Both very good players.

31 Aug 2013 07:07:28
Perhaps people are getting a bit too hung up on specific players. Remember the Madrid galacticos who won bugger all? It's not about the names, it's about their ability to contribute to the team. We desperately need midfielders, probably one with steel and one with creativity - if they are 'top level' and will improve us then great. Clearly Rossi would improve us, as would Fellaini and for my money, so would Herrera. Did anyone think Dwight Yorke would have the impact he did when we signed him? Remember when Keane left and we signed Michael Carrick? It's not always about the stellar name

Well that kind of common sense clap trap is going to get you no where on here AJH.

Isn't there any sensational panic you want to convey this fair Sat morning!?

AJH

we have been more optimistic than a lot of people on this site but there is no denying we have some glaring issues that needs to be resolved and has been lingering for some years now.

If you look at what we need to change over the next 2 to 3 years it is quite substantial and worrying given the age of some of players.

I see required replacements for the following players as we bleed in new players and bleed out the older ones with some potentially retiring even before then and don't really know with the exception of Adnan if the academy has players that are good enough.

Ferdinand, Vidic, Carrick, RVP, Rooney, Evra

It will take some serious money, willing clubs looking to sell and players wanting to come.

I can see us needing to spend close to 100 million next summer to replace and upgrade in some key positions. I know 100 million sounds a lot but when you look at the going rate for top players, that gets you about 2 or 3 players.

31 Aug 2013 00:34:35
Each Everton fan on here is a massive hypocrite! This time last year moyes was a god send in you lots eyes now because he has joined the biggest club in the world he's a poor manager and I don't know what it is but you seem to think you are better than us! Everton will really struggle without moyes and everyone knows it. You lot will be lucky to finish top 10, you have a very overrated manger! I saw someone say he had 'the balls to have a go with limited or no resources' that made me laugh I must say, if he was a 'great' manager he would have adapted his tactics which very rarely worked to save the side from relegation. Just because Moyes has stepped up to the best club in the world you try to take away the superb job he did! Every Everton fan I know personally have all said that he was an amazing manager and who knows where Everton would be now? Probably in the championship! But sure come on here say what you want about players not wanting to play for him, when quite clearly your two best players do. But to say he isn't up to the job is pathetic so far so good in my eyes, maybe not signed anyone but we are Manchester United winning is in our blood and every player from the under 18's up had the winning mentality and it shows with our continued success.

Good post Caolon fully agree

Excellent post Caolan. Smacks of desperation & bitterness. They know Fellaini is leaving & they feel the need to hit out.

Moyes did a very good job at Everton. Their fans are not happy that he knew he would become United manager long back and didn't make it public. I mean its common sense really that if he had gone public with that it would have wrecked Everton's remaining season. The leak about Sir Alex's retirement to the media was what made it a bit of a mess. Moyes has actually been very respectful through all of this.

As for Fellaini and Baines its clear they are overvaluing them and that is what is holding the deal up. I mean Everton fans come here riding on their high morality horses yet fail to understand that Everton have never declared them "Not For Sale" like United did with Rooney and as long as that is the case they will be open to bids.

Well said Caolan. Moyes can't attract players they say yet the whole Everton squad was bought by him and two of their star men are desperate to join him at the biggest club in the world. I don't see the Wigan manager crying and whinging about Everton's obvious interest in McCarthy and how Martinez took Kone with him.

So far, so good?! I beg to differ.

At best it is too early to form an opinion. But if one would be so inclined as to attempt to form such, I suggest the review would be less than favourable, largely due to ineptitude in the transfer market. I would also suggest that our pre-season form was a little embarrassing, the 1-4 win at Swansea flatters what was an unconvincing performance for large parts of the game and the goalless draw with Chelsea speaks for itself, as well as being the first goalless draw at Old Trafford since 2009.

Here's hoping these aren't indicative of things to come.

31 Aug 2013 00:01:11
I must say I am disgusted with John Terry. He has the nerve to call himself the captain of his club then hides away when the decisive penalty needs to be taken.

Now I never played football at a high level, but at the level I did I was lucky enough to be made captain by my fellow team mates and coach. I wore that band as the honour it is ment to be, and I excepted the responsibilty it came with.

That ment I lead from the front and set the example, that also ment putting myself out there and taking the pressure at key times. I was involved in five penalty shoot outs as captain, and as captain I always took the pressure penalty. The one if missed then we lost rather than the one needed to win it. Because that is the hardest penalty to take and it was unfair to place that burden on someone elses shoulders.

Terry should have taken charge and take Chelseas last penalty instead of taking the cowards way out and letting a young man trying to make his way into the team take it.

Lukaku was devestated when he missed, and where was his captain ti console him? He was wollowing in his own self pity, reflecting on the reality that he won't be the centre of attention again when he lifts a trophy for his team. David Luiz has my respect tonight for being the first at Lukakus side, he played and reacted like a true leader. Maybe mr Terry should take note. {Ed007's Note - I had always scored enough goals to stop my teams needing penalty shoot-outs to win things...just saying ;-)

Totally agree, your captain must lead from the front! Look at keano, never left a thing on the pitch! The passion, the commitment! Will never forget him standing up to Viera in the tunnel at Highbury! Would Terry do that? I doubt it!

I only ever missed one pen as a kid and I was pen taker for years just saying. John terry and penalties brings up a happy memory from that night In Moscow and may he miss many more penalties but not for england.

Come on lads this is Braveheart ye are talking about didn't he once play with cracked/broken ribs for England citing his big heart pushing out against the ribs as the reason he could play.

I seem to remember he slipped once too oops

At least this time in a final he had a real reason to wear full kit.the bloke is a complete and utter cnut

Am no Terry fan but to say as captain he must hit a penalty is ridiculous. U would never see nor want Vidic hitting one.

I disagree Shappy. I hate Terry with a passion. He's a first class bell. However he's never been known as a penalty taker & would almost certainly be last on the list to take one. It's the same as saying you'd have Vidic take a pen for us, he's under no obligation to step up when other people are much better choices to take a pen. As much as I hate him you can't deny Terry wears the chelsea shirt with pride & gives his all. As he did with England. I hammer him at games because he's knob as I said but he's no bottler.