Manchester United Banter Archive August 31 2015

 

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31 Aug 2015 23:48:36
Balague on the De Gea breakdown

"The Spanish media are fuming and saying this is revenge for what happened with Sergio Ramos (not going to Old Trafford)"

Please let it be true, would life my arse off, sod the £29m!

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31 Aug 2015 23:52:36
'Laugh'

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31 Aug 2015 23:53:53
What was funny was that they said dea gea and his gf were at there house waiting to be told it's gone threw.

Couldn't care less about the 18 million, just to see the faces

Priceless

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31 Aug 2015 23:44:27
Plenty of the usualls slating the people who find out transfer activity baffling. Someone tell me, just so I understand and see from your point, how exactly Anthony Martial warrants a transfer fee of around £36m?

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31 Aug 2015 23:51:31
Why do a lot of people on here care so much how much a player costs?

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31 Aug 2015 23:55:22
He isn't Stand. It is an alarming purchase. We signed the 'next big thing' in Memphis who had a worldie of a season for less. We are buying young potential for superstar prices.

It's really strange.

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01 Sep 2015 00:04:30
I think the point is that no-one could possibly know yet whether or not it is good value for money. It seems a surprisingly large fee but whether it's worth it or not will only be known later. I tend to keep quiet on things altogether until I am confident I know enough to make a sound judgement. Too many rush to exclaim an opinion just in order to be heard.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

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01 Sep 2015 00:13:34
He's a kid with a decent goal record, heavily linked to the next Henry, Lacazette, etc. a French international at 19 and for some reason French players command a similar premium to English players.

Plus we also needed to get the deal done.

Not a panic buy imo, I think the fee was to get it over and done with though.

A player is only worth what a club would pay for him at the end of the day.

Let's see how his United career pans out before we start saying he's not worth it, he could score 70 a season or not score for 7 seasons, either way let's wait and see.

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01 Sep 2015 00:14:37
It's a lot if true , I agree. But so was Sterling for £50 m , DeBruyne for £56 m etc. I think Firmino will end up costing Liverpool around 50m euros. It's crazy , but its the crazy world of football.
The game has gone mad , but how about we a actually see Martial play before judging?

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01 Sep 2015 00:58:46
Liverpool paid 29m£ for Firminho.

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01 Sep 2015 01:11:30
Apparently LVG had him scouted quite a bit last season and with interest from other big clubs it doesn't really look like a panic buy more so just what it takes in this modern time with crazy money being thrown around. I'm more interested in the fact we're adding incredible pace into our forward options.

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31 Aug 2015 23:42:22
Breaking Reports : Spanish Football Federation confirm that De Gea documents did not arrive in time.

- The documents did not arrive on time!!!!!! Presentation was ready. All agreed. But as it stands David de Gea stays at United.
- Man Utd sent the De Gea documents at 00:01, 1 minute too late.
- David de Gea is distraught right now.

Brilliantly played United, Woody has done it.

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31 Aug 2015 23:46:58
LVG is the master chess player

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31 Aug 2015 23:49:35
Coentrao pay back that is ha

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31 Aug 2015 23:54:00
Just me? This doesn't help us at all, we need a keeper.

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01 Sep 2015 00:14:10
Its still a shocking way to behave for a club of uniteds stature. So we are trying to settle petty scores now? And upsetting players and clubs in the process? No wonder no one wants to sign for us. We have become a complete shambles of a club over the last 2 years and its getting worse not better. What chance do you think madrid would now sell bale, or anyone for that matter, to us in the future? The people in charge at united need to take a lesson in how to run a club. They could start by giving swansea a ring.

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01 Sep 2015 00:15:31
Did they not fu*k Moyes over with something similar regarding Coentrao? If so, well played, Ed. Well played.

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31 Aug 2015 23:35:56
DDG deal broken down!! Navas contract hasn't arrived in time. Great for utd one more season and then a loris or leno etc. next season. But you have to feel for both the players who were ready and both wanted the move! especially DDG on personal level with his gf and family in madrid.

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31 Aug 2015 23:34:51
Please tell me your all reading/watching this.

Surely De Gea isn't going to be made to stay. End of the day these are players/people if the deal has fallen through two players now have to stay at clubs where they either don't want to be or are not wanted.

Furthermore we've missed the chance to pocket almost 20 mil and a half decent replacement. I'll wait till tomorrow until I make judgement on this incase it's all rumours.

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31 Aug 2015 23:54:00
I'm going to put this out there and suggest this will go through. I cannot believe it wouldn't? Won't have to wait long.

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31 Aug 2015 23:34:21
So the De Gea deal falls through but because Navas was technically a separate deal United have signed the Costa Rican.

What this essentially means is that Real have 1 keeper in their squad whereas United now have; De Gea, Navas, Romero & Valdes.

Pretty solid core of goal keepers if you ask me.

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31 Aug 2015 23:51:40
maybe a couple played as a striker or CB when they were 6 years old.

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31 Aug 2015 23:55:25
The reason it fell threw was because United didn't send navas paperwork back on time. We haven't signed him

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01 Sep 2015 00:04:33
Ed said Navas was part of the deal

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31 Aug 2015 23:32:58
Since June 2014 30 snr players have left the club and with the exception of ddg there is not one that I really disagree with or would have really wanted to stay and in the main in sur most would agree with maybe an exception or 2. That in itself tells us the quality of the squad lvg had had to turm around.

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31 Aug 2015 23:28:03
It keeps getting better! De Gea transfer papers weren't submitted in time! Apparently one source maintains they were sent one minute past the deadline hahahaha. I can just imagine woody over the fax machine!!!!

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31 Aug 2015 23:21:33
I wonder if any of the ed's can clarify this transfer wi dow times thing?

If the transfer wi dows are closed inother countries can United still buy from them?
And surely that would make teams reluctant to sell players they can't buy replacements for.

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01 Sep 2015 01:13:17
Yes, Man Utd can still buy from Madrid and elsewhere. If the deadline has been reached in your country, you can no longer buy but can still sell

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31 Aug 2015 22:57:05
Daily mail saying that now rojo has fell out with van gaal many players is this guy going to alienate before the board say enough enough it's getting really worrying. The guy forgot his passport and he got fined 2 weeks wages that should be it but it just seems as if van gaal is stubborn as a mule and holds a grudge you can't act this way it's not good management.

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31 Aug 2015 23:58:22
You wouldn't go fishing without a rod would you?

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31 Aug 2015 22:53:11
Question for everyone. Given the fact that Martial played for Monaco in the CL qualifier, does that make him ineligible for being part of our cl squad?

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31 Aug 2015 23:54:25
He's available cz it wasn't champions league proper.

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01 Sep 2015 00:07:18
No. Qualifiers don't count. 95% sure.

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01 Sep 2015 00:48:43
they do count. but they lost so he is fine.

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31 Aug 2015 22:48:13
Well of to sleep for the night, hopefully lvg won't have sold my house when I wake up.

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31 Aug 2015 22:38:22
Love the excitement of the transfer madness, checking Twitter and here every 5 mins BUT someone is turning a proud elite club into a fluffing circus!

After the dust settles and the new lads have been posted to death we should have a proper debate on who is running our club? I don't know - is Woodward? Is van Gaal? Fergie? And why is our manager being allowed to treat players with such open distain. Sir Alex was ruthless and sometime harsh but in most cases it was kept behind closed doors and for the benefit of the club or player.

Our club lacks leadership from boardroom to boot room and someone is needed to guide and manage the club off the field to ensure our rich history, standards and integrity is upheld. Someone like Gary Neville would be ideal.

As I said I love the madness of current years but we are fast becoming a laughing stock. The great man Sir Alex must have controlled everything by the way things have changed and his absence is only magnified by the shambolic way our club is conducting its self.

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31 Aug 2015 22:51:08
I will be very much looking forward to that debate Utd Road.

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31 Aug 2015 23:24:23
United needed to install a Technical Director/Director of Football years ago. The club has suffered off and on the pitch because the lack of foresight , a director would have brought.

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01 Sep 2015 00:23:44
Fergie also knew when to put an arm round a player. Van Gaal seems to have no filter when it comes to how he treats players.

ZanySteve - we managed without one for years, mate, and we didn't too to shabby.

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31 Aug 2015 22:35:12
I'm worrying we're going to have another disappointing transfer deadline day, I've read this page so many times hour after hour on previous deadline days in anticipation of one superstar or another coming in, only to be left deflated by our lack of activity. We market ourselves as the biggest club in the world but we don't act like it. When Real Madrid want to cherry pick our players we bend over and pull our pants down, and I know De-gea wants to go to his home town club, but it wasn't Beckhams, ronaldo's, Heinz, or Hernandez.
And I don't think we cherry picked di-Maria, I think they realised the time was right to move him on, but got much better value for him than we would have got if it was the other way round. We or acting like a feeder club to Madrid, rather than the massive club we are. If we want a player why are we quibbling over a couple of million? We've made some good signings this summer, but they were needed on top of the squad we had, now we've let so many players go, I hope we don't get left short, gambling on potential, or relying on experienced but
ageing players. We need to bully other big teams, and buy the players they don't want to sell, while they're in their prime, or soon we'll be overtaken by City, Chelsea, and Arsenal in the Marketing dept as well as on the Pitch,
Rant over, apologies for going on a bit.

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31 Aug 2015 23:03:58
Heinze wasnt wanted any more and told he could go if any club paid his prize. He wanted the move to Liverpool and was ready to join them before Fergie somehow managed to stop the move and he went to madrid instead. that's hardly cherry picking our players, Ronaldo we got paid world record transfer fee for, De Gea is most expensive GK ever sold if the reported numbers are correct, and he only has 1 year left on his contract. Beckham we all know what happened and Hernandez? The player we loaned them for a season since he wasnt going to play anyway? Real Madrid is a fair club when it comes to transfers imho.

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31 Aug 2015 23:24:34
After today anything can happen tomorrow.

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31 Aug 2015 23:34:00
I think it was revealed that we went to Madrid for Ronaldo and came away with Di Maria.

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31 Aug 2015 22:29:48
Apologies if this has already been asked, but has anyone seen much of Martial? Youtube`d him and he looks quick with good movement, and a very good finish, but obviously these vidoes are not a good way of judging a player. Has anyone one here actually seen him play? The fee is excessive (if true) but its not our money, so let's just trust our scouts and management. Clearly LVG must think he is worth it, or he would have gone for a cheaper, proven option in Berahino/Austin. The one thing I did pick up on watching the videos is that he can play out wide too, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the wings before we see him up front. Anyway can't wait for the next few games now to see our new signings in action.

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31 Aug 2015 22:32:06
Anybody worried about Keylor Navas should watch this video. he is a major improvement on Romero.

Keylor Navas Best Saves

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31 Aug 2015 23:08:38
Looks unreal on that vid mate fairplay

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31 Aug 2015 23:34:47
I could post you clips of Bebe that make him look like Pele.

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31 Aug 2015 22:24:00
Can any of the Eds confirm whether Navas is part of the DDG transfer or a seperate deal?

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{Ed004's Note - He is part of the deal}

31 Aug 2015 22:51:40
Thanks mate

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31 Aug 2015 22:23:43
If there's one thing that annoys me more anything with transfers is fans complaining about fees, what on earth does it matter to us, who else can we realistically get who's available?, this site was in meltdown last night over potentially signing Austin why ? He's proven he can score in our league but when sign a possible future star everyone crys unproven overpriced some people are never happy and this prove, our best player this season is Luke shaw, young lad big price tag ring any bells lighten up what ever happens your bank balance will still be the same come 6.00 tomorrow

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31 Aug 2015 22:32:22
The site goes into meltdown over everything, we sign nobody then it's no good, we don't spend money then it's no good, we buy somebody and spend mone and it's too much, some people just love to moan, people have been desperate for a signing, we have one and because he's not the shiny name people were after (yet) the whole place goes into meltdown.

I think if the press had any idea we were after him and had been talking about him all summer he would have suddenly been on all sorts of wish lists but because once again the press had no idea people are moaning before he's played a game, it's embarrassing. I'm excited to see him play.

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31 Aug 2015 22:42:41
Shaw was proven in the premier league, your just ridiculous if you think it's fine to go and spend £36m on a youth player with barely any experience. Oh it's ok were United well pay 3 times more than what any other club would have to.

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31 Aug 2015 22:45:16
I can't wait for tomorrow at 6 pm so I can start talking to the Mrs again lol I've hardly said a word to her since the window opened.

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31 Aug 2015 22:55:22
Gds2 totally agree pal I'm so excited to see him all I've heard just lately is no pace, here's your pace you happy ?

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31 Aug 2015 23:27:12
Haha same nach,

Stand, I'm ridiculous then mate, I don't really care about numbers or amounts, we don't need to worry about that, we have a lot of money I would rather it was spent, funniest thing is people have been moaning we have no pace up top, he has bags of it and can finish but people are moaning because they have never seen him play.

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31 Aug 2015 23:30:05
Proven like who Austin :s

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31 Aug 2015 22:17:03
So guys just wanted your advice on something. I'll be going to the Liverpool match and was just wondering which United player I should boo. With Memphis now being declared the next Nani, Rooney being rubbish, Martial beacause of the price tag ( if he signs), Navas for being Navas ( if he's coming), Fellaini are the top of my list. Suggestions will be appreciated. I had planned to throw coins at Van Gaal but with all this technology it won't be long before I become famous on YouTube and get banned from attending matches, so cancelled the idea.

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31 Aug 2015 22:35:17
That's not fair. Give martial Atleast a couple of matches before you boo him.

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31 Aug 2015 22:35:56
Maybe you could start fundraising on twitter , you may get enough to hire an aeroplane towing a "everything United does is shit" banner.

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31 Aug 2015 22:44:17
I think you should boo all of them.

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31 Aug 2015 23:27:10
Input from you guys is always inspiring. That's why I love this site , there's always the right answer. Also please help me with what banner can I make to show disrespect to the above mentioned players , just to let them know that they are not wanted by us , whether they flop or are world beaters.

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31 Aug 2015 22:00:33
What do you all make of the recent Griezmann rumours? Just lazy journos or concrete? His cryptic tweet leads a lot to the imagination, here's hoping, quality attacking talent.

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31 Aug 2015 21:45:21
I can't wait for next week. Not because the transfer window is over, but because a lot of you moaning sods will be back at school.

This may not even get posted (sorry Eds if it causes grief), but some of you in here talk utter crap.

You moan relentlessly about lack of ambition and smokescreens, and there is not really any money available. Then when we spend money you moan about that. All this nonsense about Navas and Martial, I bet 99% of you know f@#k all about either of them.

At least some of the genuine posters, eg Jred etc, have the good grace to admit they don't know much about them. I certainly don't, somI won't comment until I have seen them play.

I wouldn't believe the press about the fee for Martial, but again, I don't know.

Januzaj nneds to toughen up for the EPL, somI think a loan to a decent team in a competitive league will domhim good. Chicarito is not good enough. He hasn't developed into the player we expected, so a move away is probably best for both parties. He was always a popular player, somImwishnhim well. Wilson will definitely benefit from a loan. And as for DDG, he was always going to leave. I can't believe anyone is naive enough to think that we could have kept him for another year, and got the same level of performance as last year, and then let him leave for nothing.

As for Navas and Martial, let's just wait and see before writing them off as failures before they have even signed. There is bound to be debate about the fee, In understand that, but let's not pretend we know all about him already. Give the lad a chance.

Oh, and just one last point. For those already calling Martial panic buy, did LvG not say weeks ago that we were looking at a forward that nine of the press were talking about? It is that conveniently forgotten because he is just a bug fat liar?

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31 Aug 2015 21:49:34
Hear hear, does my absolute nut in the amount of fickle fans we have, there is literally no please in them. Can you believe this is a hobby they enjoy or do they just need an excuse to sulk and rant.

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31 Aug 2015 21:54:41
Van Gaal also said we dominated against Swansea. Do you believe that also?

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31 Aug 2015 21:56:21
Blimey Betster, you've merged a few issues there, not everyone has a black or white opinion mate. I am an optimist but £36M on a relatively unknown player smacks of desperation. Who knows what tomorrow will bring but given our play last last year and for the majority of this year so far it is hard to maintain that optimism

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31 Aug 2015 21:56:25
100% agree

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31 Aug 2015 21:57:52
I may not post a lot but I've been visiting this site for many years now.

I haven't seen anything of Martial tbh. But I did see a lot of Navas at the WC last year and he was one of the reasons Costa Rica did well.

I really hope there is something else in the pipeline though because we are short in a lot of areas.

I'm also disappointed Pereira hasn't had a look in yet.

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31 Aug 2015 21:59:21
Wow everyone is on the edge today.

Betty i agree with most of your post but undecided on Janusaj only because i can't see him getting enough time on the pitch at Dortmund unless they get injuries. Their front 3 and kagawa are better players and seem to have really clicked on now. If he gets to play regularly he will come back a much better player.

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31 Aug 2015 22:02:48
What a wonderful refreshing post cheers betty I thought it was just me.

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31 Aug 2015 22:07:21
Despite my rant , I must apologise for my illeteracy!! Bloody auto correct, and also my tablet keeps replacing "space" with "m".

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31 Aug 2015 22:08:02
Don't worry Betts, Ed's planning on heading up to the Bury market tomorrow and he's selling players buy one get one free.

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31 Aug 2015 22:08:41
Betty that post was far too sensible for this site mate what are you thinking of

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31 Aug 2015 22:09:14
I agree with everything bar the martial thoughts Betty.

I do believe it is a panic buy. it is an outrageous amount of money to pay for a relatively unproven teenager regardless of his potential. Of course we don't know the exact fee but Canal have reported it's 80 Mil euro and are also stating it was reported to them by Monaco. I really hope that he does well and becomes a world class talent, it would fantastic to be able to justify such a fee. I know nothing of the lad but hear nothing but good things.

Navas is someone who I believe will be a fantastic signing for us, a really competent goalkeeper.

We got a great deal out of De Gea. The money we received was a fantastic amount for a player in his final year. Kudos to Ed for standing his ground, getting a decent fee and a quality keeper in return.

In regards to the 'surprise' comment that LVG made, I genuinely believe that he was just saying that. Leading the press on a merry dance if you will as they have been spewing nothing but crap all summer.

All that said, there has to be some serious questions asked of our transfer dealings. Yes we bought some quality at the start but towards the end it all seemed a bit farcical.

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31 Aug 2015 22:09:23
Agree betty its not like its our money so why should it bother most so much

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31 Aug 2015 22:10:06
if any consolation supposedly spurs had a 20 million pound bid rejected earlier in the summer.

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31 Aug 2015 22:11:07
Spot on Betty, great post. Navas IMO will improve the team immediately as for martial I really have no idea but whoever is making the decision knows more about him than me and every other poster on here and I trust that judgement, and I am looking forward to seeing him play.
I still think we will sign another player tomorrow, possibly another surprise name, but I think we need a leader at the back.

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31 Aug 2015 22:25:53
JMB , what the hell has that got to do with anything?

AJH , yeah mate lots of issues merged. My point is some numpies ade writing the signings off already. Aren't we all meant to SUPPORT United on here? We don't all have to agree or like every player , but at least let's see them play first.
Just a few days ago people were questioning our ambition , using City as an example. Posts saying how if City want a player they will just pay the fee. £50m for.Sterling , £55m for DeBruyne. Now that is ambition etc etc.
It just riles me that some people slate the team that they claim to support , yet praise our closest rivals for the same thing.
I don't like the way we are.throwing money about and have said so numerous times before. But let's give the players a chance to at least pull the shirt on before disguarding them to the scrap heap.

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31 Aug 2015 22:38:55
You know what, I put my hands up to being a bit fickle about this football club under LVG. I like the bloke when he sits in the pressers, the ignorant bastard, the say it as it is type of manager I believe should be in charge of this club. I don't like the bloke when I'm watching the drab football being played and he sits on the bench arms folded.
This Martial signing is a strange one for me. Not a name any of us even thought about (except maybe Ronnie), not the world class 20+ goals a season striker we all wanted. That's why a few on here seem to be fickle. We were just wanting a bit more from Mr Woodward. I really hope tomorrow we replace some of these outgoing players with real quality.

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31 Aug 2015 22:49:32
The fact he is unheard of to most on here and we're paying in the region of £40m for him is the issue. At least when city or Chelsea spend that kind of money they aw buying proven quality. Pedro was available for half that fee. We're spent £250m in 18 months and we're no closer to the too 2 teams than we were 2 years ago. How long is this acceptable to you?

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31 Aug 2015 23:31:51
Agree toms. If supporting a club since 1969 and eating, breathing United and wanting them to be the best is called fickle, then fickle some of us are.
BTW Betty, I think navas will be an amazing gk for us, and we got a superb deal for ddg. Got to say I don't know anything about Martial but I'm sure he'll turn up well.
However, we also need to sign some proven talent to augment the young talent we've bought. I'm a lot happier tonight. If we can get Greizman then I'll be estatic!!

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31 Aug 2015 21:38:45
victor valdes could be staying with us, it seemws he has updated his twitter and facebook pages with utd badge :)

1 - navas
2 - valdes
3 - romero

take that all day thank you very much :)

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31 Aug 2015 21:30:00
Could we go french over the next day to solve some problem areas. martial, griezman, laporte?????
Throw in benzema and pogba for full effect!!!

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31 Aug 2015 21:13:41
Edds, Alittle bit of help here?

Do you think more signings will be added tomorrow?

I'm hoping for two? CB and Winger?

Chances??

Cheers! Ronnie.

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{Ed004's Note - Hopefully atleast another attacker}

31 Aug 2015 20:56:26
Just a question for the Eds or anyone else, with the Spanish, German and French windows closing in the next few hours I just wanted to clarify if this was only for purchasing players and they'd freely be allowed to sell to clubs whose window is still open?

Cheers!

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{Ed004's Note - The foreign clubs can still sell players}

31 Aug 2015 22:01:34
They need to get the paper work into their respective fa's for incoming players. but can still sell players. I think it is the Russian league that closes in a couple of weeks and they seem to be doing business well after everyone else.

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31 Aug 2015 22:29:31
Thought as much but was beginning to worry a tad! Thanks for the response!

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31 Aug 2015 20:49:09
I know the Ed's have probably been asked this a thousand time already, but do you think there is a possibility that we will sign a recognised and 'proven' CF or attacking winger by the close of play tomorrow.

It just seems bizarre to be letting so many players go without replacing them.

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{Ed004's Note - With Januzaj going I think another forward player will be signed}

31 Aug 2015 21:14:32
Stop the panic yes we look like it could be another average season 4 games in but it could possibly work out,only panic if champions league qualification looks unlikely.With the money spent we should be closer and playing better football but keep the faith we've paid big money for younsters before ferdinand,rooney,de gea,shaw even ronaldo was considered too much at the time but i believe they worked out fine.United have never been a club to buy the big superstars of the game United make the stars.

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31 Aug 2015 22:51:11
United make the stars. Name the last "star" we made , say in the last 10 years other than Ronaldo?

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31 Aug 2015 21:00:48
"And, by the way, that is a goalkeeper who Louis van Gaal likes. According to the de Gea camp, when a deal was presented to renew his contract in the spring of 2014, van Gaal said 'let's wait to give him a new deal because I like Navas'.

If true this guy needs to go.

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31 Aug 2015 21:41:05
gcu
there was a lot of talk last year about lvg and ddg not getting on .

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31 Aug 2015 21:53:00
HMM

If there is any truth to it and he has caused the boy to leave, i would think its criminal. If it was a one off you could say it was the player being an issue but he has history of doing it to so many.

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31 Aug 2015 22:13:22
As long as the players coming in get on with LVG there should be no problem but if any more start falling out with him it needs looking at because as it stands the squad looks weaker .Still think a worldie will arrive before 1800 tues 😆😆

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31 Aug 2015 20:56:54
So what do people make of our transfer dealings
Depay looks very good
Scweinstiger is cool calm and collected
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31 Aug 2015 21:27:25
Darmian and Schneiderlin look brilliant.

Depay has looked like Nani.

Schweinsteiger looks like he has a lot of fitness to gain, Oktoberfest is coming up this month as well! He needs to do more for me.

Romero looks like a calamity.

Hopefully Depay will improve.

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31 Aug 2015 21:32:13
Depay has been sh. t mate and are you trying to wind people up lol.

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31 Aug 2015 20:51:46
Hummels to United with Lewandowski to follow suit!!!
Be completed by lunchtime tomorrow

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31 Aug 2015 21:19:11
Is this just a hunch?

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31 Aug 2015 21:21:27
Good evening Mr Stand up any more gags before i go 😆😆

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31 Aug 2015 20:44:12
Figured it out lads

Our number 11 has gone to Dortmund so Madrid can sign Reus so Utd can sign Madrids number 11

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31 Aug 2015 21:10:45
Well they have two hours to wrap it up, they better get a red bull.

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31 Aug 2015 21:32:37
They got about 2 hours to sort it out then

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31 Aug 2015 20:23:42
#sigh#, I've had a few glasses of red so should perhaps wait until a more sober moment. It I feel the need to. Are a couple of points:

1. Januzaj on loan is ridiculous. The boy is a huge talent and we are sending him out on loan whist spending £36M on an unheard of French player.

2. £36M?? £36M?? Has Ed banged his head? The boy may turn out to be a star but£36M? I'm lost for words.

3. Wilson on loan? Please God there is a signing to be announced tomorrow.

4. I know there was a need for a huge changeover of personnel but something has gone terribly wrong here. To shop out so many forwards wothout replacing them smacks of arrogance or ignorance.

I have so much more to say but shall reflect a little before sharing. 😁

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31 Aug 2015 21:07:11
Tony

Enjoy the wine lol. I am amused/bewildered by all of this but in some ways enjoying it. He has created a rod for his own back and i reckon he is on a 16 week contract. If we falter gone baby :)

The conspiracy theorist in me says we are shedding tons of wages and setting up the club for a change of ownership :)

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31 Aug 2015 21:11:38
Keep going AJH.

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31 Aug 2015 21:21:34
I think if sending Adnan out on loan was a must it should of been to a premier league team to toughen him up to the league much more to be honest.

Sending him abroad can't be good, premiership experience is a must. Only thing I can see is he will be guaranteed games more than in the premiership, or we have one of theirs coming this way. Anybody's guess at this stage to be honest

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31 Aug 2015 21:43:39
Top post AJH. I just posted in regards to Adnan Januzaj myself. Despicable decsion.

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31 Aug 2015 22:10:16
Bgolog. I hope you're right and either Hummels or Reus.

But I do think the Bundesliga is closer to EPL than any other league. He's at a good team and I hope he does well there.

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31 Aug 2015 20:23:39
Have I got this wrong or is our squad now down to 23 players?

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31 Aug 2015 20:16:33
Well, having just got in from a 12 hour shift in work, I'm stunned by the transfer news. And not in a good way. As I have said all along, De Gea gets his move. United's stance on not selling him was all a load of pony, and quite frankly this has been handled as poorly as possible. If your going to grant him his move this summer, then the deal should of been done weeks and weeks ago. Allowing ourselves 4-6 weeks to bring in a replacement of the same quality. All we're doing is stock piling number 2 keepers. Romero, Navas, Valdes, all not good enough for the top teams.

Then we move on to the 19 year old kid. The same player Spurs bid €10m for at the start of the window. They were knocked back and told to come back with an offer of €20m to get a deal done. That's £14m. Fast forward 5 weeks and we're paying £36m for an unproven 19 year old! Scandalous. We have an unproven kid on the bench in Wilson, where does that leave him?

Pedro, a multiple European, La Liga, and World Cup winner, proven on the biggest stage in the world, was deemed too expensive at £21m. Two weeks later we spunk £36m on a kid who is no where near Pedro level. The first 11 is in desperate need of improvement. A lot of you scoffed at me, Nomidfield and Redman earlier when we said were not good enough to challenge. Well 4 games into the season were already 5 points behind city. That's without De Bruyne and Otamendi in their line up. We were lucky against Spurs, poor against Villa, couldn't beat a poor Newcastle and got beaten by Swansea. Were light years away. And instead of buying a proven player who genuinely improves the first 11, were spending £36m on a 19 year old unproven kid.

CB has still not been addressed. 3rd window for LVG and our CB options are terrible for a club of our size. £250m spend in little over 18 months and I'm not convinced were any closer to the top clubs than we were at the beginning.

im seriously starting to get fed up of LVG, his tactics,
His arrogance, his philosophy. The footballs boring. The signings on the whole haven't been great and the tactics and style used are terrible.

For the first time in my life I don't look forward to watching us play anymore. And certainly rarely enjoy it.

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31 Aug 2015 20:37:58
people wanted a striker .
we buy one and there still not happy .

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31 Aug 2015 20:41:02
Couldn't agree more

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31 Aug 2015 20:45:57
echo your sentiments but be careful the anti negativity police will be after you :)

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31 Aug 2015 20:46:46
I always look forward to seeing United. I can't help it; even if it is painful to sometimes watch.

I am very disappointed that we haven't signed a top forward. I think it will cost us big time. I just hope we can pull something out the bag.

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31 Aug 2015 20:47:11
If reus goes to madrid and bale comes to us, will we be getting a madrid reject?

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31 Aug 2015 21:00:47
Stand United

On your point re the keepers. We couldn't sort out DDG weeks and weeks ago because we can't control what Madrid do. Many on here moaned they were only offering £15m and we got nearly double for someone in the last year of the contract. In terms of the three number two keepers, that's Valdes No1 at Barcelona, Navas No1 at Madrid and Romero No1 for Argentina. I think Navas could be a good option.

In terms of the 19 year old it is a bit of a surprise but I would hope he has been extensively scouted and let's see how it goes. Whilst not comparing I remember thinking the same of Ronaldo, although I had seen him play against us for Sporting.

I will see where we are tomorrow at 6pm before going overboard, however where we are at the moment will not see us challenge for the top prizes. What LvG has done is clear the decks and that gives room for youth to come through but in our instant success world he is short of the quality needed

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31 Aug 2015 21:01:25
I would love to know where you get your figures from, they are not what I have read. Also it amazes me how you know Pedro was a better buy than Martial. I don't know much about him, but would like to give him a chance before deciding if he's a good buy or not. Buying proven players like you want don't always work ( Di maria) but I'm sure you know best. Was you one of those complaining about that nobody Darmian. If only it was as easy as the video games.

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31 Aug 2015 21:10:46
Jred

Yeh let's go spend £80m on Steven Fletcher, shall we still be happy? Idiotic to assume we should be happy that our club has had their pants pulled down again for an unknown, unproven kid. He will be enough to mount a challenge will he?

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31 Aug 2015 21:45:59
stand united
lvg wanted a striker and the club backed him.
36 mil on a 19 year old .
he has been given a vast amount of money to buy the players HE wanted.

just shows the money is there .
this is lvg team let's see what he does with it

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31 Aug 2015 21:46:43
In hope. I have no problem buying potential, what I do have a problem with is blowing £36m on a kid who's in proven. Is that a normal sum now? We have Wilson , a kid the same age needing games. Yet we pay that money for someone equally as unproven. It's crazy. Pedro has done it on the biggest stages so don't try telling me he wouldn't of brought more to the side than this lad. As for Darmian, read my comments from day one. I have been happy with him from the start. Spending £250m in 18 months is the "video game" stuff your talking about. Ludicrous.

Redman , if barca had wanted Valdes to stay then he would have. If Madrid were happy with Navas they wouldn't of paid £30m for De Gea. Not many teams were fighting for Romero on a free. As for not having a choice about selling de Gea earlier that's nonsense. We should have contacted Madrid, told them to pay our asking price by said date, otherwise no transfer can happen. Simple as that. Giving us ample time to find his replacement. It's been handled very poorly

Imightbesomeone, if you think Bale is coming here you need to see a doctor

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31 Aug 2015 21:48:11
stand
i haven't seen much of him to be honest.
i said further down the page i'm amazed at the price.

you seem to know his not good enough , how much have you seen of him

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31 Aug 2015 21:48:19
I would hardly say Navas is a bad player, a lot of what is reported people seem to take for granted. Really we are all assuming x y and z when we really don't know.

We don't know the figures involded if spurs made a bid for the kid and how much. Non of us know do we. If it was two month ago then it was after he just signed a new contract so doubt the figures you are quoting are correct

A lot of people come on here and rubbish some rumours, then when we buy someone we believe all the figures behind it.De Gea could have gone 2 months ago but we would not be getting the highest ever money paid for a player with one month left on his contract(if firgures are correct) The club get slated for letting players go on the cheap when we play hard ball they still get slated.

At the end of the day we may not all agree with the Managers "philosophy" and way of dealing with matters but we still need to get behind the team and have belief in the process lvg talks about so much.

Again spending 250million what's the net spend does anyone know?

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31 Aug 2015 22:04:43
Stand utd.
You keep saying unproven. As I said I don't know much about him but reading his stats he is as proven as Sterling. The cost is irrelevant. You pay the price required for the player you want.
Pedro at £21million is a waste of money if he's not the player LVG wants.

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31 Aug 2015 22:19:44
not exact but our net spend to date has been around 7 million I believe excluding fees( agents, fa, taxes, registration etc etc)

Net spend this window will be somewhere in the region of 20 million pounds if you believe all the higher numbers of us buying and lower selling numbers that is assuming 12 mill for Navas and 36 mill for Martial.

There is stuff in the press that we paid 6 million for schweinsteiger instead of the reported 14 and also reports today on Hernandez from 7.3 to 12 million go figure. I am using the higher figures. Also not factoring in any loan fees.

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31 Aug 2015 20:13:05
Just to lighten the the mood! I was in langollen wales today in a steam train with the kids, a bloke noticed me in my united shirt and we stated to chat, he was a season ticket holder who went to games with his daughter my wife rolled her eyes when we started talking football, it got me thinking how many of us unwittingly have crossed paths? I wandered later if he comes on here and I wished I'd asked him.
My dad had been looking at the trains came over and asked who I had been talking to for half an hour when I told him he said " no mater where you are your never far from a man united fan"
maybe he's reading this.

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31 Aug 2015 20:08:36
Freeing up more wages for big names ????

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31 Aug 2015 20:39:02
O god I hope so

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31 Aug 2015 20:43:56
We can dream mate.

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31 Aug 2015 20:48:59
Delusional again, chuckle chuckle.

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31 Aug 2015 21:21:06
On the wrong page again chuckle chuckle

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31 Aug 2015 19:51:28
And the page has gone into meltdown. Not a bad deal for de gea but I can't help but feel had he signed a contract we would of got nearly double that. What is going on upfront I would of said we needed 2 forwards (a winger and a striker) but we've got rid of 2 and have 3 natural wingers mata and Valencia and 2 strikers one kid who will take time and one passed it has been who offers nothing. Thursday nights channel 5

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31 Aug 2015 20:11:44
But he didn't sign a new contract.

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31 Aug 2015 19:35:34
Wilson off on loan now lads! If true, realistically, who do you think we will sign?

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31 Aug 2015 19:33:15
I am not sure whether ronnie mentioned martial but i think he did. If so, congrats ronnie on being the only one to get that transfer right. Granted he was one of about a hundred players ronnie mentioned. :)

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31 Aug 2015 19:48:29
I think Ronnie had every young player covered

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31 Aug 2015 19:51:51
Ronnie basically bought every ticket at the raffle

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31 Aug 2015 19:57:15
Like it
Keep the faith

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31 Aug 2015 21:17:04
Ronnie could list down names of possible future stars ( belgians of course) that will be born in 2018.

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31 Aug 2015 19:24:21
It feels like a terrible time at the minute with so many departures.but as yet no one has left that i can't see the logic in:
1. DDG - this was always going to happen and it was about getting the right price. If that was 29m and Navas i think we have done well
2. Lindegard - has been a while coming but he never really kicked on
3. Hernandez - He had a good couple of years but i have not seen anything in the past few years to suggest he was going to make it. Shame as i liked him but the Brugge game summed it up
4. Januzai - great talent but I am not sure he is ready yet. Needs game time. The games he was given at the start of the season probably sealed the deal as it was only in glimpses did we see anything from him.

So the question is with a potential net spend of anywhere between 0 and 30m. who will come in in the next 23hours!!!!!!

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31 Aug 2015 19:35:33
Agree Brad.
No problem with any of those departures. Obviously would have liked ddg to stay but was never going to happen.
Janusaj I am sure will come back a better player.
All about who we sign now.Navas, Martial and hopefully a couple more

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31 Aug 2015 19:39:38
Brad it is being reported that the deal is €40m including Navas who was valued at €11m. So about £21m cash and Navas for about £8m.

Sad to see Dave the save go. Had a shakey start, but turned into a fantastic goal keeper. I hope it all works out for him.

We need a top class CB, but doubt any would be available and a proper striker.

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31 Aug 2015 20:19:26
Huggy. i think we are all guessing on price. I have now seen 4 different ones sofar!! Whichever it is anything nnorth of £20m for a player with 1 year and wanted to go is doing well. Agree with the sentiment. sad to see him go was great this,past 2 Years.

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31 Aug 2015 19:11:44
I think we have one more signing to come in. Make it count ed.

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31 Aug 2015 19:25:21
Looks like Wilson may be going on loan so surely, would be idiotic if he leaves and another player or two doesn't come in.

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31 Aug 2015 19:26:36
Hope I'm wrong but think we're done. Would like a centre back tho

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31 Aug 2015 19:51:07
Still need another recognised striker. I would take Dafoe all day.

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31 Aug 2015 20:47:58
Didn't know Willem Dafoe played football GCU, could have sworn he was a big time Hollywood actor?

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31 Aug 2015 21:05:06
Adebayor??

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31 Aug 2015 21:31:05
haha

Jermaine that is. still good and plenty of goals. will probably score 15 this year which is more than any our strikers. At this rate we will have to bring cole and yorks out of retirement. no one left lol

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31 Aug 2015 19:11:43
So what was all the Crerand you will see how big we are stuff and Ed saying we are working on other bigger targets?
Still waiting Ed

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31 Aug 2015 19:11:42
What do we reckon guys, any more incomings??

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31 Aug 2015 19:09:30
navas is a good player imo i think he will be a hit at united

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31 Aug 2015 19:24:02
Tad worried about him being only 6ft but he looked brilliant in the WC

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31 Aug 2015 19:24:33
Agreed Jred, very good keeper and a very good deal for UTD in my opinion.

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31 Aug 2015 19:29:55
Was one of the best keepers in Europe during his final season at Levante.

Personally he was on my list of best options to replace DDG along with Sommer and Lloris.

I think he will he a massive hit with us. Ultimately considering we would have lost DDG for nowt next summer I think its the best possible deal we could have hoped for.

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31 Aug 2015 19:44:46
We got a great deal out of it IMO, its like we got 29 mill for nothing.

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31 Aug 2015 19:52:35
I agree and thnk the club has done well given the DDG circumstances. I also think Navas will be very good and might surprise many people. H splays bigger than his height BTW.

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31 Aug 2015 20:03:19
He's a great shot stopper don't know how good he deals with crosses DDG wasn't the best when dealing with crosses either as long as I don't see romero in goals again I'll be happy would rather see SJ as back up .29 m plus navas is very good business if that is the fee.

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31 Aug 2015 19:05:55
36 mil for martial . i'm shocked to be honest .
watched monaco a few times never really noticed him if i'm honest .
thats not to say he is a bad player i don't know much about him .

but 36 mil for a 19 year old who scored 12 goals last season , the worlds gone mad.

shows there is money there .
shows the club has backed the manager .

for people who have seen a bit of him ( GCU) is he a 36 mill player , is he a better player than berahino?

for people who have been shouting for lvg to buy a striker are you happy now , 36 on a 19 year old is a big statement

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31 Aug 2015 19:37:37
I agree £36m is an incredibly hefty fee, here's hoping he works out. But just wanna throw in there, if you apply your logic to it jred, Benzema has 15 league goals in a very attacking Madrid side, this guy - only 19, has 9 goals in a Monaco side which (with all due respect) aren't half as good as the Madrid side mentioned above, and only made 19 starts, with the rest being substite appearances. So with that in mind would he be a better acquisition for you?

I just wanted to point out how flawed that logic was that you applied to Lewandowski and Benzema.

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31 Aug 2015 20:06:15
Jred

I am every surprised at the number too and waiting to see if there is any truth (just read Dante went for 4 mill and is he not the same player the press were reporting that we wanted and 30 mill was the price, so taking things with a grain of salt, we were also suppose to have sold DDG for 12 mill 6 weeks ago LOL). Our dealings this summer if anything leads me to believe we are being very cautious and can not see us paying this sort of money.

He is someone you buy to play as a third striker behind 2 established goal scorers and give him time to develop. He is very fast and skillful but like most young players can be quite lost in some games aka Janusaj. He has more potential than Depay and Janusaj IMO but the PL is a very hard league and bigger players have failed.

If we are going to burden him to score lots of goals for us then I think not this year and still expect someone else coming in. Finally not sure how LVG's system will suit him at all and the fans better be patient with him.

Finally, I think we are well set up for the next manager :)

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31 Aug 2015 20:13:34
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i haven't seen enough of him which is why i'm asking people what he is like.

i like benzema and lewandowski but i don't think either would score more goals in this united set up that struggles to create chances than they would for munich or madrid .

do you honestly think lewandowski would get more goals for united than in a far better munich team that are head and shoulders above the other teams .

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31 Aug 2015 20:57:08
I can't be certain jred, all we can do is speculate. I was just saying its hard to say Lewandowski or Benzema aren't worth the 40m because they scored 17 and 15 goals respectively for their current sides and hence would score less for us. I don't believe I can make judgements like that, there are many factors to take into account how many goals a striker would score.

Its football after all, how many of us expected Michu to set the premier league on fire for one season, and where is he now? Or, let's say Robbie Keane - he went from a decent Spurs side to a pretty good Liverpool team - by your logic he would have scored more goals in the latter team, but he was given back.

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31 Aug 2015 21:53:52
keane didn't score that many for either.
lew and benzema are both top players worth 40 mill + imo .
but i would still expect lew to score more goals for munich in a less competitive league , in a very good attacking team creating a lot of chances .
than in a united team that can't create a chance , playing in a very competitive league

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31 Aug 2015 19:02:59
Am I the only one disheartened by today's activity at OT?

All the departures has now got me worried. We all knew that the DDG transfer was going to happen but navas??

Please someone put me out of my misery and say that that's not the last dealings? We need arrivals and decent ones so anyone please give me a ray of hope!! I'm sitting here watching this unfold and actually praying tomorrow is a good day and not a disappointing one!!

Thoughts people

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31 Aug 2015 18:59:41
Hi all,
Thanks to the Eds as always, good to see Ed002 with a response here again earlier today!
Looks like today/tomorrow could be very busy for us, 4 players confirmed going out today and two potentially coming in. IMO we are still one short in the final third, that is assuming the young lad from Monaco signs.
Januzaj to Dortmund was a surprise, is it unrealistic to think Reus could come back the other way to United?

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31 Aug 2015 18:57:12
I think we are moving in circles here. The so called transition period never seems to end. If we end of with Navas and Martial we will still have not strengthened. Neither Navas nor Romero is a first choice keeper. Center back needs to be addressed. Right wing and a good striker is obviously needed. And after this season we will need some one in midfield instead of carrick who will possibly overtake sweini in abt 3 yrs time. So that makes 5 players. Not being pessimist here but i think we are being mugged for this french 19 year old.

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31 Aug 2015 19:17:06
I'd would have rather paid the money for Austin. At least he is a proven goal scorer.

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31 Aug 2015 19:22:42
Giggs said we wanted to strengthen the spine. i'm pretty sure we haven't done that any injuries in internationals we will be sweating. there's defo a circus in manchester. Few people said lvg will leve the club in a worse state than he got i'm starting to think they could be right. Just to top it all off we wanted ramos n got navas but then double his wages for the privellege. got to laugh i guess

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31 Aug 2015 19:46:06
Agree that the cycle continues and that arguably we are no further forward in the process. Yes we signed a RB ( who looks excellent) but we have sold pretty much all our strikers. We signed two strong midfielders, but we have not replaced angel Dimaria, we are reliant on a main CB (smallish who despite looking like a different player is rather injury prone and we have sold our best player over the last two seasons.

Not sure that the team looks any more balanced than when we started. I personally think our business this summer has been poorly handled. All the players we wanted should have been signed before the league started.

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31 Aug 2015 18:54:20
GOODBYE DDG hello Navas :-(

Then we supposedly go out and spend £36 Million on an unproven Martial when Lacazette was on offer for £37 million and I know who I would rather. Neither

DDG to Real Madrid with £35 million and a WC premier league proven player called Gareth Bale coming to us.

Last year we had less games and lots of players and this year we have many more games and are very light in 40% of areas. What happens if Smalling gets injured or Rooney I dread to think.

What the hell LVG has experience he should know what he is doing right? Let's hope so because if not he won't be in the hot seat for much longer.

Maybe Giggs might come outta retirement and we can sign Kloop as Manager assistant with a view to taken over. ( WOULD PUT HIM IN CHARGE NOW )

Taughts people

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31 Aug 2015 19:23:35
How about degea + lindegaard + evans + nani + rvp + hernandez + a baloney sandwich = bale
If that's how it works

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31 Aug 2015 19:26:54
Why the sad face about signing navas exactly?

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31 Aug 2015 19:40:09
GDS2

I think we can all agree DDG is miles better than Navas. I put the sad face because I was expecting the deal to be

David DeGea+ £30/£35 million ---->

Gareth Bale

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31 Aug 2015 20:17:07
RED

Bale is a pipe dream. He will be their franchise player for a few years to come. CR07 is ageing and will not be surprised if by the end of this year bale has become their darling. Madrid is a political zoo and perez would not have the b. s to sanction this sort of deal.

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31 Aug 2015 18:52:25
Ronaldo, Bale, De Gea and Ramos all in the same XI. United fans should be careful what they wish for. ☺

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31 Aug 2015 19:13:46
Because De Gea moving to madrid has shocked us all, seriously though I think this might finally be your year, Imagine having Bogdan Milner and Ings in the same starting 11, stuff of dreams that is.

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31 Aug 2015 19:18:09
Mate, I would be concerned with the shower that makes up your first team if I were you.

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31 Aug 2015 19:20:45
I'd have Henderson over any of our midfielders any day of the week.


LMFAO

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31 Aug 2015 19:37:48
Jesus you're all very defensive today lol

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31 Aug 2015 20:09:37
Simonpw
Defensive is what you should have been against west ham

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31 Aug 2015 20:22:35
I love watching Lovren week in week.

BR: "The players have come back really hungry and got the grit between their teeth" :)

The man will go down in the hall of fame of British Football and always looking forward to what he is cooking next:)

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31 Aug 2015 21:18:29
Now that's more like it imbs, that's the kind of comeback both our sides could've done with at the weekend ha ha

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31 Aug 2015 18:50:06
Just want to say cheers to DDG he has served us well and I hope he goes on to be a real legend.

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31 Aug 2015 19:02:48
First Febregas and now DDG has probed that don't buy a young talented Spanish lad. whenever they are ready , they will run away to " home" .
Buy when they feel loyalty, and love of fan is of more important than nonsence talks.
Right age when they are mature enough to understand this broad aspect of game

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31 Aug 2015 18:49:51
Anyone see much of navas in goal,is he any better than Romero

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31 Aug 2015 18:55:05
Tons better mate. He was very good in the world cup.

Romero was number 2 at Sampdoria to a guy who was Arsenals number 3, which i can't recall ever got a game. Both him and Valdez were puzzling signings.

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31 Aug 2015 18:58:34
Monumentally better.

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31 Aug 2015 19:10:46
much better player

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31 Aug 2015 19:20:50
Cheers,thats good to hear.

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31 Aug 2015 18:49:46


We understand that Real Madrid have now agreed a deal with Manchester United for the transfer of David de Gea.

It will be worth £29m and Keylor Navas will head to Old Trafford.

Sly spurts at 18:49

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31 Aug 2015 18:45:02
The people who were saying they don't care about prices we pay are now the ones moaning about Martial, don't worry about it we will see down the line whether it was worth it or not let him at least sign first smh

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31 Aug 2015 19:16:04
Exactly what I was thinking, if you make a post on here mentioning money people just say "it's not my money I'm not bothered" and when we pay over the odds for a player who could be a great player in a couple of years we app go into meltdown.

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31 Aug 2015 18:42:02
Good luck to DDGhe has been outstanding for us so good luck to him except if we play them.
He will also find out that Madrid won't love him like we do

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31 Aug 2015 18:46:08
Like we did.

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31 Aug 2015 18:31:22
Really £36m for a French kid with potential, but questionable work ethic.

Correct me if I am wrong, but was Lacazette not available for around £37m earlier in the summer. One scored 30 odd goals last year and has pace to burn the other didn't and scored a fraction as many goals.

I would have tried to buy lacazette instead.

Still think we need a GK, a 20+ goals a season striker and a CB. That is if Martial is going to play wide right, if not we need a winger as well.

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31 Aug 2015 19:19:53
Don't be surprised to see Lacazette at Chelsea if Remy leaves.

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31 Aug 2015 18:10:38
Lvg to go its are so boring to watch sorry but the guy hasn't got a clue fellini as a striker utd being laughed at all because of lvg and his philosophy !!!!!! Get klopp !!!!

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31 Aug 2015 18:50:18
He has alienated so many players reading the comments coming out and sure more will follow. I reckon unless we are start really clicking and winning games we might see a managerial change come christmas.

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31 Aug 2015 18:01:20
Theory time
Adnan to dortmund
Reus to madrid
Bale to united

I am 33% correct already

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{Ed004's Note - If only... Haha}

31 Aug 2015 18:32:18
The other 66% will be next summer ha

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31 Aug 2015 18:48:23
I said this earlier although very unlikely it could happen. The Spanish window closes at midnight so if Madrid sign Reus by then it could well be ha. But I doubt it

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31 Aug 2015 17:40:35
This has all the feeling of a very expensive Obertan, Bellion, Bebe to me. I haven't seen the boy play to be fair (I wonder how much LVG has), but what a gamble when you think what Sanchez went for last season.

Furthermore, almost every description I read makes him sound like a rawer Depay. Our competitors are signing top class "proven" talent and we are gambling on untested, raw potential. Sure it may be amazing potential, but had Januzaj played for Monaco 2 years ago, no doubt we would be bidding £40m for him now!

I've got no problem buying young starlets, but relying on them to change our whole attacking dynamism - reeks of desperation to me. Hopefully this one works out, but ADM was a flop, Depay looks lost, an even less experienced kid coming in for mega money seems desperado. We need top class ready made talent now and if I were this Martial I would be very worried about what LVG might do to my natural talent.

Welcome to Utd Martial, the pressure is on!

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31 Aug 2015 18:02:48
Well he's a striker for start, and if LVG is to be believed we've been scouting him for a year so I'm sure we're pretty clued up. Interest also from Barca and Arsenal so I think it was just a case of who blinks first, don't write him off before you've seen him.

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31 Aug 2015 18:16:50
C'mon beat we paid 1 mill for Obertan and it was a clear punt. This guy is a very talented kid but needs to fill in and time to get used to the PL. at 19 compared to sterling at 19 he is much better version and more polished if people want a comparison. I am just surprised by the cost if true.

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31 Aug 2015 18:25:19
seriously beast comparing martial to obertan and bebe is as bad as it get mate. I have not watched him, nor did i know much about him, but a bit of reading about him on the net shows him to be a highly rated not just now but since he was 14-15,he was recently linked with a move to barca too. He could be a hit or he could be a miss but this is more akin to a young ronaldo or anderson type signing where there is high potential which side it goes future will tell.

Also tell me which of our competitors have bought proven topclass talent this season other than arsenal buying cech and city buying otamendi. sterling is a highly rated kid not a worldclass player, debruyne had 1 good season at wolfsburg before that a failed move to chelsea. benteke, ings, firmino, origi are potentially good players none of them worldclass and milner is decent at best. Baba rahman comes in same could be good class, falcao is never going to reach his earlier heights. While we have bought established talent in schneiderlin, darmian and schweinsteiger they are not worldclass but they are pretty good, i agree with u that we need proven talent, we trying for bale, muller, lewandowski shows we know that but can't seem to get the job done.

And pray tell me what has LVG exactly done to anybody's natural talent at utd that u are that fearful of it.

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31 Aug 2015 18:25:31
Exactly my thoughts. Plays centrally, likes to drift out wide. Virtually every clip I have seen from him is a defender backing off (which won't happen in the PL) and him cutting inside, followed by a weak save.

I am not a scout, maybe there is more to his game. If not, he will be found out.

I am happy we are a club who can sign players for prices like this, but it looks like we never had a strategy going into the window when players like Pedro, De Bruyne and Sterling have gone for similar(ish) money. All of whom are much more proven talents.

I for one am scratching my head, hope I'm wrong.

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31 Aug 2015 18:32:24
But like you said Covey, you've only seen clips and you're not a scout.

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31 Aug 2015 18:48:29
For crying out loud what is going on on here lately ? This bloody kid hasn't even put a kit on yet but it's already a disastrous signing !there are so many on here that change their tune more than my wife changes her handbag if we paid out big bucks it's obviously because the people who are in charge of these things think he is worth it give it chance for God's sake.

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31 Aug 2015 18:49:17
People slating Beast and in the next breath saying they've not seen him. priceless

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31 Aug 2015 17:36:04
Would be happy with Martial (except the price) and Navas. Would not be happy if we don't get a quality CB, and hopefully another attacking player. If Smalling gets injured we are screwed !! I don't want to spend the next few months waiting for the January transfer window. Let get everyone in now (I know its easier said than done).

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31 Aug 2015 17:28:52
Why are so many thinking martial is a panic buy?.Could he not have been a target all along?How many "fans"knew our supposed targets,the media certainly didn't otherwise man utd have missed out on enough targets to fill three teams or more.Could it not be the case that monaco were difficult to deal with because they themselves wanted champions league qualification and when it wasn't achieved was open to the idea of selling.But because united lost to swansea it becomes a panic buy,I seem to remember LVG said in a press conference that it could be a surprise and martial is I for one had never heard of him until yesterday.

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31 Aug 2015 17:41:22
I don't think he is a panic buy. I suspect though that maybe we have signed him earlier than we would have liked too. That could be because of the fact that others were interested and we moved early; or we genuinely cannot sign anyone else and he was the only viable option.

I still think we need another CF or attacking winger. Now that Januzaj and Hernandez have left, it leaves us pretty light even with Martial.

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31 Aug 2015 17:41:43
36m quid for a 19 year old. We may have been scouting him but paying that price one day before the window shuts definitely tells us it was a panic buy. If not then why wasn't it done weeks earlier?

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31 Aug 2015 18:17:01
Wasn't he being looked at by Spurs in June for half the speculated price though?.

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31 Aug 2015 18:19:58
If you read my post I gave a reason as to why it wasn't/couldn't be done earlier and could of been negotiating for some time.I would think deals are not concluded in a 5min phone call.

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31 Aug 2015 18:30:48
Patzi
I may be wrong but he apparently signed a contract right after that

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31 Aug 2015 19:19:03
I may be completely wrong nelly M, but every bit of this transfer shouts out as a bit of a panic.

Maybe an ed can give us a bit more insight into how he was signed but it seems peculiar to say the least.

Listen, Martial could turn out to be a fantastic piece of business and I hope to God that he is but we need proven quality right now up in the final 3rd.

I still hold hope that we are looking at somebody else to provide that extra bit. Hernandez and Januzaj both gone, add to that RVP and Falcao, it leaves with Rooney (who is just not good enough) Wilson who is so far unproven and Martial who has massive potential but also unproven. It all just seems to be a mess if I'm completely honest and I have not said one bad word about the running of this club. I have always had faith in Ed and LVG but it just seems so strange how we have gone about our business here.

Hopefully they pull something incredible out of the bag. The club and more importantly the fans need it

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31 Aug 2015 17:28:27
The academy players take a hit when managers of a club changes.

I hope we take into consideration LvG's age/performance and our own future plans as a club before deciding to sell/loan our youngsters like Januzaj and Wilson and Pereira.


Januzaj has been loaned so that's good and I hope we loan Wilson and not sell him.


Pereira is good enough to be part of first team imo and should be kept. I also rate McNair potentially higher than Jones.

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31 Aug 2015 17:27:49
Just read that Janusaj is now officially done. If it is any consolation both him and blackett are off to big clubs where most of our other guys get loaned to division one or championship clubs and sometimes don't even get to play.

if they get proper playing time it will be great for their development and both will come back much better players.

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31 Aug 2015 17:24:31
Are we really paying 36 million pounds for Martial or is it euros. I just can't get my head around susch a high figure for a relatively unproven player. Any of the eds have a idea ??

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{Ed004's Note - Nope}

31 Aug 2015 17:38:48
its pounds. the final figure could be considerably higher. (from reputed french media)

brendan

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31 Aug 2015 17:42:44
Best not to worry about numbers mate.

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31 Aug 2015 17:22:58
Question for the Eds, if I may.

It appears that quite a few of the players we've bought were on Moyes' shopping list for United (Shaw, Herrera and now, it appears, Martial). Obviously, managers aren't going to throw away good work done before their arrival, but is this a sign that United are moving away from the manager choosing which players get bought? Or is it fairly typical? Is it likely all managers (and their scouting networks) have the same players on their list?

Thanks.

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{Ed004's Note - Isn't there report saying LvG has been monitoring Martial for the past year}

31 Aug 2015 17:45:53
Hi Ed004

Hadn't seen that. I guess there's a short short list of players to look at in reality.

Big money, but if we're in a world where De Bruyne costs £55m, well.

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31 Aug 2015 16:51:34
Louis van Gaal has given his reaction to today's defeat on MUTV: "I think we were in control for 85 minutes - that's what I have seen. The result was 2-1 to them and that cannot happen." More here: http://bit.ly/1VoYbsd

The comments on this statement were almost universally negative, with maybe 75%+ calling for LVG's head.

I mean come on, in control? Being in control at 0-0 is a myth. We were in control for maybe 5 minutes after we scored. That's it. The man's a fantasist.

The question I would like to ask you all is this. Can a man who sits dispassionately on his seat for 90 minutes ever instill in his team the level of enthusiasm and passion which I believe are as integral as talent to the process of winning?

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31 Aug 2015 17:30:04
:) what i found strange is that he admitted they changed their shape and we could not cope with it. Why was no one up on the sideline screaming out instructions to the players to change our shape to counter their Diamond.

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31 Aug 2015 17:42:07
One of LVG's biggest flaws for me is the way he sits in that seat and doesn't move etc. really gets my goat that.

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31 Aug 2015 16:50:37
If there were obvious 2 or 3 players to blame, our total quality of players still far greater than our opponent in recent 4 games(let along the price tags). I think it's some out-dated gaming "philosophy" neutralized the expected outcome.

Imagine if Klopp to have Mata, Schmidfield, Herrera, Young, Darmian, Luke Shaw, Smalling in his disposal, what would the performance be like in those games?

World class players been tagged that title because they do have stunts to produce. And if you could luckily recruit any of them, be sure to unleash their distinct quality by any means. Or, it would be your credit to lose if they can still proof themselves elsewhere.

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31 Aug 2015 17:12:08
Hi everyone,

From time to time I post here to eulogise about Giggs or patronize you all with my useless french football knowledge. today its the latter :)

Anthony Martial has been touted as a bright prospect for a while now. French football followers first heard the hype with his age group performances with Lyon and France.

-he's quick
-has yet to develop physically so is nowhere near a mature player yet

Anyone who stands out in Lyon's academy has potential to be something special. they love to develop pacey wide forwards. There has been reported interest from pretty much everyone (or at least monitoring) ever since his L1 debut with Lyon. I would speculate that we moved now because of interest from elsewhere but am more than happy to be corrected on this by Ed.

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31 Aug 2015 17:09:05
So januzaj went on loan to Dortmunt do you guys think he'll get enough playing time there ?

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31 Aug 2015 17:33:53
Not on current form and Mikhatarian and Rues are better players but both injury prone.

On another note Gundogan seems to be getting back to his best, watched them thrash a Norwegian side the other night and it was like pay ground football and fun. BTW not impressed with pummels the more i see him.

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31 Aug 2015 17:35:41
Unless Reus is coming to ourselves or going to Madrid (Bale to us maybe/hopefully/begging), then no, I don't think he will.

This strikes me as a very odd move for both ourselves and Adnan. He won't play over Reus/Mkhitaryan/Kagawa who have formed a deadly trio it seems, and are already better than Adnan is. They also won't drop Auba, as he is as good an attacking outlet as they come, with more pace than any other player in the world IMO.

Why would we send him to a club where he won't play a lot and is in a different league, and why would he want to go there as well.

Something just doesn't add up, are we trying to sweeten a deal for Reus? As i'm writing this Hummel's name just popped into my head, but still wouldn't make sense for Adnan.

All very weird, and Lucky Dip esque. Players names have been drawn out a hat for who to sign and sell/loan.

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31 Aug 2015 17:02:33
Can anyone tell me what we have gained keeping hold of de gea and then selling him at the very end of the window?

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{Ed004's Note - Apparently 30 million and Keylor Navas when the original offers weren't even close to half that}

31 Aug 2015 17:21:23
Well it's supposedly navas is in the 30 million not on top of it, what I mean is why we let it drag on what was the point in freezing him out for the last month? Was the plan always to sell him if so why not do it before the season starts?

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31 Aug 2015 17:28:21
That would be an awesome deal for us ed004.

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31 Aug 2015 17:32:02
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because madrid were not paying 30m pounds back then.

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31 Aug 2015 17:36:11
30 Miillion plus Navas Mate. Not done and supposedly we want more money and no Navas in the deal, which leads me to think we have another goalie lined up. Soon we look like the dutch team in Manchester :)

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31 Aug 2015 18:44:19
No the deal is worth 30 million euros so we have to settle for a keeper Madrid don't want. This is not a win for United no matter how anyone tries to paint it

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31 Aug 2015 19:08:10
Navas is supposedly not keen on the move, ADM The Sequel?

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31 Aug 2015 16:49:53
I hate dealing with Madrid. There's a part of me that wishes we told them bo. oc.s or give us one of your top boys. Instead, we are going to end up with their keeper who was never signed to be their number 1 keeper.

The club need to pull something out the bag. A 19 year old kid and a second string keeper doesn't cut it for me personally.

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31 Aug 2015 17:17:55
Navas is a very capable keeper.
Martial has been touted as a future superstar.
What could possibly go wrong :-)

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31 Aug 2015 17:34:46
Anyone ever thought about the possibility that Navas might not want to join?
A keeper who doesn't speak English and who doesn't want to be at the club. Indeed; what can go wrong.

I don't know a lot about Martial other than he is rapid.

The thought of Rooney playing in the number 9 role for the rest of the season makes my food harder to digest.

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31 Aug 2015 17:36:59
We sell Martial for half of what we paid next year :)

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31 Aug 2015 17:47:55
Originally Navas did not want the move(apparently) but money talks in todays footballing world.
The 'what can go wrong' comment was more a tongue in cheek comment but I suppose time will tell.

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31 Aug 2015 18:03:51
Herbie

Just having fun mate. I find today amazing and not sure what to make off it. One thing for sure LVG tenure will be very short if we go tits up before Christmas.

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31 Aug 2015 18:44:14
Im not sure what to make of it all either.
2 weeks ago I thought we looked a more balanced squad than the previous year but now I'm not so sure.
Still plenty of time for things to happen though.

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31 Aug 2015 16:49:41
Common people I am waiting for that player who will eventually "MADE US FORGET PEDRO THING" as per Ed Woodward.
Who else is waiting???

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31 Aug 2015 17:19:15
Hold on to your seat Rodio there's a good chance you may be blown away.

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31 Aug 2015 17:23:25
For me, it is about fixing obvious issues that will cost us points this season if not addressed.

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31 Aug 2015 17:36:15
Yes Herbie, I hear Adebayor is on route lol.

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31 Aug 2015 17:48:29
samthered
Charlie Austin.
:-)

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31 Aug 2015 16:49:02
Ed's or anyone with an opinion. What is the thinking with the Januzaj loan move? I am honestly struggling to see any positive from our point of view. Yes, he was rash and inexperienced but at least he was a catalyst for thinking differently when he played. Grasping at a silver lining Herrera may see more game time. If Adnan can't get a game what chance does youth really have?

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31 Aug 2015 17:24:39
I really wanted it to work out for Adnan but i don't think he has taken his opportunity, even his goal was a bit lucky. I think he needs to find his best position and he won't be given chance to at utd at the moment. Hopefully his loan will make him into a better player, he will grow up and also find his position. As you stated it might mean more game time for Herrera and i would rather keep him.

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31 Aug 2015 17:28:07
You would hope it meant we were doing a deal for Reus but that's very doubtful, maybe lvg just doesn't see him fit in his plans for the season but wants him to go to a good club where he may play more regularly. Also it could mean Reus to Madrid and we get a new no 11 tomorrow (bale) Wishful thinking but stranger things have happened.

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31 Aug 2015 16:38:41
Hi Guys

I know a lot of you won't agree with me but I actually think we will be busy tomorrow.When I say busy I can see 2 more coming in .I say that because although we have brought in Martial we are going to lose 4-5 players.So I can see Navas plus a winger coming in.I'll get my head down now lol

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31 Aug 2015 17:24:17
I hope you're right Bazza.

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31 Aug 2015 16:27:49
So with Januzaj off on loan and Martial coming in, a failed experiment at no. 10, does this mean that Rooney will drop back to number 10, with the new speedy youth up top (leaving Mata out on right?)

OR will Martial cut inside from right, with Mata moving inside to number 10, leaving Rooney up top?

Personally I think first option will be the most effective as we desperately need someone to run beyond defenders - and Rooney's just too slow. He would compensate for his pace with the more creative role behind the striker, effectively linking midfield and attack.

Herrera would be back up.

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31 Aug 2015 16:23:15
Since Fergie left, players don't seem to trust us in winning anything in the near future and I don't blame them. We don't have a title winning squad. Its been difficult for Van Gaal to totally replace the players. It isn't easy to bring players in. We need to show promise in competitions to bring players in. We need to do well in the UCL this year. We can't do that without a few additions though. And I think that's exactly why we need to splash the cash. I would be least bothered at how much United spend beyond what would be reasonable. We need to pay up to keep up to being what we are as a club. So, my suggestion would be to not pull hairs over price tags. The club needs to spend big for its own good. Whether those signings turn up for us, only time will tell. No one can really make any predictions over it. Could things be managed differently? only an insider would know that.

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31 Aug 2015 15:54:17
We better not put an "option to buy" in the Januzaj loan deal. ill be pissed if we let him go.

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31 Aug 2015 16:54:56
Haha, Probably be a clause for us to pay them to get his wages off our books - we are so weak in this area it is unbelievable.

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31 Aug 2015 17:13:14
The papers are reporting there is no option to buy in the deal.

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31 Aug 2015 15:44:15
Being suggested that Keylor Navas to be included as part of De ages deal.

Been looking him up/reviews/stats on Internet. Not too shabby!

Think he'd be an improvement on Romero.

Does anyone know anything about him? One of the better goalkeepers in the world - or prone to weaknesses?

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31 Aug 2015 15:50:03
Initially LVG wanted to sign him but we had De Gea and eventually Real Madrid ended up signing him.

He is a very good goalkeeper, a sure upgrade on Romero but I think Romero was only signed as a back up anyway.

I'd be very happy to have him as our No.1 but I still think we will try and sign Cillesens

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31 Aug 2015 16:15:37
i would be happy with navas

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31 Aug 2015 16:17:50
Thanks AR - his stats for Levante, given an uninspiring defence, were up there with Neuer and Courtois. Great short and long range shot stopper.

Apparently he can be a bit hot-headed though.

Though he got Costa Rica through to WC quarter finals.

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31 Aug 2015 16:39:23
Technically good, however he is going going to take time to adjust to the physicality of the Premier League, expect him to get bullied off the ball quite a lot, a step backwards from DDG unfortunately.

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31 Aug 2015 15:37:41
Looks like DDG will finally be on his way, move looks like it has finally been agreed.

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31 Aug 2015 15:47:35
I hope he's got someone lined up ad we can't go through a season with romero he's hopeless would take navas as a stop gap till end of season.

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31 Aug 2015 16:01:25
Seems that is what is going to happen if Navas agrees to move here as part of the deal.

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31 Aug 2015 15:20:43
A question to Ed, I know broadly how a transfer works from previous responses but why do transfers seem to go to the wire so often? I presume we have made it clear we're interested in x and y player so is it purely the selling club holding out as long they can so the buying club stump up more money potentially or more to do with selling clubs finding replacements first or a bit of both? Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Clubs will typically informally ask an agent (a) if the player is going to be available, and (b) would the player consider a move to the club. There may be some broad discussion on the sort of deal that would be offered. If the answer is yes, it is then necessary for the club to approach the player's club to ask if they would be willing to sell and if they would grant permission to speak to a player's agent and possibly even the player about actually making a move. This will typically involve either broadly (through an offer) or actually agreeing a fee and responsibility for any significant costs (agents fees etc.). Once this has happened the club will be able to speak to the player's agent and perhaps the player himself to look at the package that will be involved. Many players are looked at and discussed at a high-level with agents and clubs; a subset of those have an offer placed; a subset of those involve discussions with the player's club; a subset of those involve discussions over terms, and; a subset of those go ahead.

Toward the end of a transfer window clubs may change their minds about players they want to buy or sell, clubs will look to hold out for more money for players they don't mind keeping and some clubs will be willing to pay whatever it takes to make a transfer happen.}

31 Aug 2015 15:51:39
Thanks Ed very informative, much appreciated, good to get an insight in dealings and it shows how complex they can be.

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31 Aug 2015 14:50:54
Hi Fellow Red Devils,

I had an entire essay written on my feelings regarding the weekend game, LVG, manager post LVG and all such. But being too large, it was put on the "Others page" . Could you all be kind enough to have a read and pass on your comments, if anyone agrees or abuse if disagree ;).

Cheers

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31 Aug 2015 15:53:52
I see your points and can imagine it'd attract negative comments cz of your LVG support. Personally I feel we have good players and sure some are letting the manager and fans down but I think we have good players who are being inhibited and that must come from the system and style they're being asked to play.

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31 Aug 2015 16:03:25
Bang on Welsh Red Devil.

It's almost like the players are being judged on the wrong things. I imagine after the game LVG putting the Stats on possession percentage up on the board rather than the score, with a tally of who gave it away rather than who created something - we have the wrong mindset.

None of us know, but I do know the manager isn't watching the same games I am (nor is he as animated and I'm just reaching for the bottle half the time).

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31 Aug 2015 16:24:33
Unless we sign a genuine striker and an attacking pacey right winger, the system will never truly work.

I will be gutted if we don't bring in at least two attacking players. I know we have one, but he is a kid and will take time to settle.

To be honest, I am quite gutted by what's going on. Not sure how the club have allowed things to get to this stage where we are now actively scratching about trying to sign players.

Pretty abysmal if you ask me.

It seems having Rooney in the team has become a major problem for the manager. The guy should be dropped or moved to the number ten role, but the stubbornness in the manager doesn't allow him to see that it will cost us this season.

Yesterdays game really hammered home to me the fact that Rooney is finished as an out an out striker. On three separate occasions he had just the keeper in front of him and he never even got a shot off. Give a top forward those chances and they score one goal at least.

I can see the manager being outed as a consequence of him sticking with Rooney as the main striker. His inability to score goals will cost us a lot of games this season.

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31 Aug 2015 16:39:14
I agree Beast, 70% possession is great when your creating good chances from it but we're not and LVG seems happy with chances created just as worryingly.
It's like this we up our tempo, we straight away look more dangerous and then it's like 'hang on I'm not meant to do this' and back we go to safety first.
Mata, Herrera, Memphis in holland, Rooney even plus a couple more we've seen come and go all are good footballers who we have seen play attractive football before so it can't be the players ability.
I often wonder what giggsy thinks sitting there next to LVG.

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31 Aug 2015 14:41:49
Pictures on spanish tv showing DDG in Madrid.Thanks for everything Dave the Save 😆😆

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31 Aug 2015 14:47:51
he has been called up for spain duty, if i remember correctly.

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31 Aug 2015 14:50:57
Good luck to the lad, he's been great for UTD and helped to get us back in Europe.
Sad to see him go but I have nothing but admiration for him.

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31 Aug 2015 15:34:40
Another transfer fiasco up there with Pedro say he's not going all window and cave in on the final day leaving us without an even half decent keeper to boot.

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31 Aug 2015 14:43:44
Have to say I like this lad Martial from Monaco. I have known him through football manager and have been following him for the last year. Looks similar to Depay in the sense that he has pace, can dribble but again inconsistent. I have seen him play on both the wings and also as a forward. If he comes to united I believe he will play on the right with Depay on the left. Rooney and Mata in the middle.

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31 Aug 2015 17:29:54
Football manager does not give you an insight into a players ability. Give me the right club on the game and I could train Andy Carroll into a world beater.

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31 Aug 2015 14:18:02
At least we can all trust in LVG when he says there will be a suprise addition in attack. no press etc again had a clue about martial, let's hope this suprise ends up a good one. the fear is its going to be another player that's going to need time to settle which is expected but time isn't on our side with our current poor performances.

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31 Aug 2015 14:50:18
Not like the rest of the top 4 contenders are playing well is it

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31 Aug 2015 14:12:38
I think the view is Martial right, Memphis left making runs beyond Rooney and Mata in the hole creating. Young, Toni, Fellaini, Wilson and Herrera to cover these positions.

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31 Aug 2015 14:22:14
Won't work. Why buy someone who's a striker and play him out of position! Though lvg seems to like this!!

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31 Aug 2015 14:25:46
He can play across the front 3 I think, tbh I've never seen him play but the good thing out of that could be Mata in his natural and best role and pace out wide.

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31 Aug 2015 13:59:52
Provided he plays a decent chunk of time this season, Adnan going to Dortmund could be great for him and us. They could turn him in to the player we all wanted him to become on our behalf. Just hope Ed doesn't do something stupid and agree to a view to buy option.

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31 Aug 2015 13:52:20
Hi ed 002. I know you aren't replying here. but as last hours of window please share your view if u know club is talking with anyone for transfers except martial news

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31 Aug 2015 14:07:06
Ed2 may be back after tmrw IF we all behave, so let's behave ha.

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31 Aug 2015 14:04:37
Ed001
Same as above, do you have any info on players potentially coming in to Man Utd.

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{Ed001's Note - other than Keylor Navas and Anthony Martial, no. Though there was an attempt to sign Felipe Anderson, so I would think that there could be more yet to happen at United.}

31 Aug 2015 13:51:23
Well this isn't how I expected things to go after 5 good signings earlier on in the window. It all seems a bit desperate to me. Letting Januzaj go on loan to bring in an inexperienced 19 year old who's got 10 goals to his name. I'm not knocking the lad, he could turn out to be an absolute mega star for us but £36 mil, if true, is a ridiculous amount to spend on someone so unproven.
This was definitely not the game plan for LVG and Woodward and it's made Manchester United look like a very desperate football club once again.

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31 Aug 2015 14:25:41
Seems a lot of money to pay on unproven talent, but as I've been saying, while City and Chelsea are prepared to spend mega bucks on proven talent, we have been shying away from it for the past 5 years. No ambition and no desire from the top. All they're interested in is make more money.

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31 Aug 2015 15:51:57
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Didn't we pay a record amount for a proven big name. And spent silly money getting Falcao on loan. + 37 mil for Mata etc etc.
They haven't all worked out but it has been spent. This sounds too much fora relatively unproven 19 year old I admit but I am all for buying some younger players sometimes with something to prove

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31 Aug 2015 13:50:56
It guess Antony Martial was the striker that LVG said the press wasn't writing about then.

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31 Aug 2015 14:09:54
big big gamble can he sort out our lack of goals maybe but more than likely not this season and one for the future.i don't see us being any better off with this signing i hope he proves me wrong but we needed a proven goalscorer

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31 Aug 2015 13:29:01
I think our only option was to buy a young potential future great who will be content to sit on the bench. The alternative would be to buy someone like Lewandowski, Cavani etc. who would expect to start every game. The reason for this is because LVG won't drop Rooney unless injured or rested and seems intent on playing one upfront. Personally i would play a world class played upfront with Rooney and change formation to two upfront or drop Rooney if he isn't playing well. I don't want to buy a great proven CF if it means Rooney as number 10 either.

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31 Aug 2015 13:35:49
Or Maybe neither were available and the clubs they play for are not pushovers.

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31 Aug 2015 13:36:02
captain 7
could rooney play 10 behind lewandowski

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31 Aug 2015 13:37:31
At £36+m you would think we was buying the lad to start games with rooney playing behind.

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31 Aug 2015 13:45:46
I don't think Martial has been bought to sit on the bench. He will probably play - IMO - in a front three with Rooney and Memphis.

I can't for the life of me see how the manager can continue with the current attacking set up. Martial has pace and power in abundance. He needs to play.

I just hope we make some more attacking signings. We are light in that area now Hernandez and Januzaj are leaving.

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31 Aug 2015 13:49:41
he might play on the right

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31 Aug 2015 14:12:41
Going on LVG's likeness for playing people out of position he may have been brought in as backup goal keeper.

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31 Aug 2015 14:39:46
I think this is a good addition. Lewandowski isn't available anymore.

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31 Aug 2015 13:23:39
Before I start I'm drawing no comparisons here but we signed ronaldo for 20mil (ish) 12 years ago, now 12 years later and taking into account inflation and the increased revenue in football is 36mil (ish) really that wide of the mark? Is it really that different?

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31 Aug 2015 13:36:35
Ronaldo signed for £13m from memory. Point taken about increases though.

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31 Aug 2015 13:46:48
No it isn't, if it works. But is it a kind of Zaha situation? We're going to throw a kid into the fray before they're ready for it? Is there a possibility that we will destroy him? Will he do any better than Januzaj? We brought Ronaldo into a great team with a manager prepared to take risks, and for his players to do the same. Martial is coming into a team struggling for an identity with a manager whose philosophy seems to be to avoid risk to such an extent that his players are simply trying to avoid losing the ball.

Perhaps, at the end of LVG's 3 years, we will look back and say he's built the foundation for the next manager, but either way I would rather we had spent £50m on Sterling. Hopefully this young man will prove me wrong.

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31 Aug 2015 14:12:48
totally agree i think this signing unless there's more to come today is a massive gamble.looks a great prospect but its a lot of pressure to put on the shoulders of a 19year old.

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31 Aug 2015 14:36:22
Ronaldo was £12m and you could see from the first second that he was going to be a superstar. There were a lot of clubs chasing him.
We cannot heap all the pressure on the shoulders of a 19yr old who will be coming into a new country, a new language, a new culture, a new team, a new tactics,a new philosophy and expect him to succeed straight away.
Martial and Austin will represent good attacking options and will give martial time to settle.

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31 Aug 2015 15:33:46
36m £ is before add ons. Great deal

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31 Aug 2015 13:12:24
Can someone shed some light on where the young Monaco lad plays and how, he will fit in.
Striker, nos 10, right side?
Lvg did, say that he, was looking at, a fotkrward no one had mentioned!!

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31 Aug 2015 13:37:25
He will play on the right if you ask me, plays across the front 3. He will be scary fast if he can cope with the physicality of the pl coming down the right with Darmian. Then again LVG might play him as a holding midfielder LOL.

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31 Aug 2015 13:42:14
I have to tell you, the second half of last season Martial played as a striker. But he can play as a winger. I hope he plays there, but players on the pitch have to rotate. Rooney, Martial and Memphis can all do that. Just be patient. He is a good player.

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31 Aug 2015 13:08:32
The question is wether Anthony Martial is the one and only or is there more to come?

I have a prediction for next summer though.
Aguero and Reus to Real > Lewandowski and Bale United

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31 Aug 2015 12:49:23
So we're signing some kid nobody has heard of for a fee that could get us Reus, and would have gotten us Pedro.

Id prefer Mame for 20M.

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31 Aug 2015 13:11:55
Hope you don't mean Mame Diouf ha

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31 Aug 2015 13:15:26
I would be surprised if the fee is what is being talked about. Let's wait and see. Totally different player to Pedro, Super fast and quite lean and needs to fill in. Reus i agree would be some signing but i don't think he wants to leave Dortmund.

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31 Aug 2015 13:43:27
Mane**

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31 Aug 2015 13:51:45
Why not AND Mane ?

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31 Aug 2015 12:48:14
I'm stunned were paying between 50 to 60 million euro for an unknown 19 year old hoping hel be our saviour there needs to be serious questions asked about Woodward and van gaal panic buying just like last year
As for degea there's no way we shld be even contemplating selling him now keep him and tell him to get his finger out he's under contract so he should honour it and do has job to his best ability the way any of us normal working hard people.

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31 Aug 2015 12:55:34
I'd lean towards money + Navas being my preferred outcome right now however I'm not going to moan if he stays and cracks on. Only problem with scenario two is he leaves for free and we will have to purchase a keeper next year.

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31 Aug 2015 12:55:51
We wouldn't pay so much without extensive scouting, yes it does seem like a panic buy but let's back the board and give the young lad some support and not slate him before he's even signed a contract.

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31 Aug 2015 13:17:01
I agree hope we keep DDG. Looks like we are having a fire sale on keepers with another one going to WBA. Makes me think we have one lined up for sure if DDG leaves. I do hope we get another striker though even if the martial rumours are true.

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31 Aug 2015 13:32:11
If we keep Spanish dave buy a rw and this martial lad we will have had a very good window and then I imagine the cb's will be sorted in the next window.

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31 Aug 2015 12:46:30
The money being talked about with the anthem martial transfer is nothing short of insane.
I would love the player here but for that sort of money? Please tell me the press got the amount Completely wrong. And no, its not my money but we did just reject otamendi and pedro because of their prices. Pedro for a 3-4 million difference apparently.

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31 Aug 2015 12:52:54
*Anthony

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31 Aug 2015 13:02:41
Apparently he only signed a new contract in June and Monaco stated he was unsellable at the time.

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31 Aug 2015 13:09:03
Otamendi came out and said we where never in for him and Pedro probably didn't want to sign seeing how LvG treats his mate Valdes

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31 Aug 2015 12:45:05
Lindergaard is having a medical with West Brom and will complete a free transfer later today.

Another player going for little or no money, however we are stockpiling goalkeepers currently.

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31 Aug 2015 13:17:47
I think his contract was up anyway and he is free to go by january.

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31 Aug 2015 12:15:32
Didier Deschamps has allowed Anthony Martial leave the national team to come and sign for us according to sky sports

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31 Aug 2015 12:33:42
if hernandez is off to leverkusen is there any chance we could use him in a deal maybe for there gk leno. eds/anyone just a thought thanks

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31 Aug 2015 12:10:25
FFF have confirmed on their website that Anthony Martial has requested leave from the French squad to sign for us.

That's about as official as it gets. So looks like another young prospect. Not what we need right now IMO

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31 Aug 2015 12:50:08
I completely agree. We need players who are going to hit the ground running.

There must be more signings imminent. The squad is starting to look thin now with all the players leaving.

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31 Aug 2015 13:06:32
There has to be at least one more signing after martial! Hernandez gone and reportedly januzaj close to a loan move.

It's exciting for deadline day to see who we can bring in but it is an example of the transfers being badly handled. We should have had all of our business done already

I see a quote from gary neville flying about from deadline day in 2012. There he states transfer deadline gives you a clear indication of who the badly run football clubs are! Ironic!!

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31 Aug 2015 12:04:41
romero free
schederlin 26 mil
depay 27mil
bastian 14
darmain 13 mil
valdez free
blind 14
ADM 60 mil
rojo 16 mill
herrera 29
shaw 27
falcao free
12 players bought over the last 12 month 226 mil spent how can people say the club lack ambition .
should also point out we have tried to spend more.

some good players in there , if we had said 12 month ago we where going to buy all them players people would of thought what a squad we can win the league with this squad.

at what point do you tell the manager , right its time to get the best out of this team

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31 Aug 2015 12:40:47
jred i think u need to look at the outgoings too to get the full picture, the spending was partly done as we had fair few older players moving on. Likes of giggs, ferdinand, evra, vidic, rvp have all been moved on.

I am not saying manager must not be blamed but right now it is more players to the blame than manager, LVG is to blame for playing rooney and not buying a better striker, for playing romero and not getting ddg situation sorted out, not buying a cb. But he can't be blamed for rooney missing chance after chance yesterday or playing the poor pass that led to swansea goal or romero being unable to defend 2 simple shots, which any other keeper easily saves.

We haven't yet replaced di maria after selling, we have been chasing bale,muller, lewandowski and yet haven't been able to get the deal done. Same with otamendi,hummels etc, you have to blame the club as well, bcz if figures quoted in media are correct net spend for current season right now is almost nil add to that wages saved on outgoing players and no incoming player this season would be on wages similar to what falcao or dimaria were on.

LVG is to blame for some things that are currently going wrong not all.

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31 Aug 2015 13:08:44
36 mill for 19 year old martial which would again suggest money is there.
cant say the club lack ambition .

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31 Aug 2015 14:19:06
after spending £226 mill are we now in a position to challenge the top clubs and europes elite ? no were not

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31 Aug 2015 14:51:19
john
but you can't blame the club , they have backed the manager .
14 players now in 12 month

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31 Aug 2015 14:53:17
Jred, totally disagree my friend. The club might have spent on players but they've also sold half of the amount worth of players. So the net spend is about the average for a normal club in England. But we're not an average club, we generate massive income and that is not being spent on the top players.
City have just spent £49m, £32m and £56m on Sterling, Otimendi and de bruyne. These players are all reasonable young and are not going in there to make up the numbers, they're going in to make a very strong team, a whole lot stronger. That's ambition and that's how you improve and attract the best players.
In comparison, we have spent modest amounts on schneiderlin darmian and schweni. Our only expense at a possible future star was buying Memphis.
We need established players who will come in and do the job now to help and improve our youngsters too. Over the past 5 years, the club has had a reputation of being mean in the transfer market and to be honest, if I was a top player, I wouldn't be that interested either.

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31 Aug 2015 12:00:51
Eds / fellow posters can some one tell me how good anthony martial is as it seems we will be signing him, don't watch french football much so i know nothing about him.

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{Ed001's Note - I have only seen him once, last season, so I wouldn't feel qualified to give an opinion.}

31 Aug 2015 12:26:14
I said this in other post, but I'll write it here too. Martial is young, skillful, fast. Watched him all season, stil inconsistent, but very, very talented. Better than Chicharito for sure. Hope you like my answer.

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31 Aug 2015 12:35:45
I have watched them a few times last year, he is very young and talented but not the finished product by a long way. Pacey though and people better be prepared to give him time. It will be a shock to his system laying in the PL.

This looks to me a player who maybe was being watched for the future as potential purchase and given our current issues someone has pushed the button and decided to go ahead now.

Looks like a few wild days ahead of us as usual. The biggest story for me is if DDG stays put come midnight tonight.

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31 Aug 2015 12:46:50
thanks ed001 , ziko and gcu much appreciated. Hopefuly he turns out to be the great player for us.

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31 Aug 2015 13:11:21
To add it has been widely reported Barca and Chelsea have been looking at the kid so perhaps we are getting him a season early.

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31 Aug 2015 13:22:08
Forgot to add

Watched him last night against PSG and he got very little joy against their right back but then again they were completely dominated by PSG all over the pitch. Their right back looks very good and a tough nut to crack.

PSG looks scary good and loaded. tThey also got Kurzawa coming in. Reckon PSG/ Barca final in CL this year if they can avoid each other in earlier rounds.

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31 Aug 2015 11:59:57
Reports from sky-sports that martial is flying to England to finalise a move to united.

Excited by the player. Not looking forward to seeing the fee. A bit apprehensive about a 19 y/o sorting out our attacking problems however time will tell.

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31 Aug 2015 12:38:29
Fee will 've high as he only singed new contract in June

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31 Aug 2015 11:59:23
Ok so if Hernandez and januzaj are both on their way out we must be bringing at least one in at a push 2 attacking options. Martial could be on his way don't know much about him to be honest.

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31 Aug 2015 11:54:30
Bit of transfer info on the Liverpool page regarding not just united but in general. Hoping the players we are working on can get done, and of course are in positions we really need.

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31 Aug 2015 13:19:17
Cheers Welsh just saw it I am pleasantly surprised to see ed say we are trying to COMPLETE deals for players plural it could be a very busy day or two I'm also interested in what he said about Chelsea tying to sort significant deals.

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31 Aug 2015 13:29:28
No worries deano, yes I think Ed18 said today they are pushing hard for Pogba. The plural bit hot me excited too ha, hope martial is one of a couple.

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31 Aug 2015 11:34:30
I think we should just get this De Gea swap for Keylor Navas over and done with! Least we'll have a half decent keeper?

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31 Aug 2015 12:28:21
We've got 2 more than half decent keepers in DDG and Valdes, shame someone's arrogance, stubbornness and ego is keeping them out.

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31 Aug 2015 12:36:44
He is pretty good watched him on saturday. He looks very cam and assured and saved a penalty.

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31 Aug 2015 11:33:37
Januzaj to Dortmnd is picking speed. Sly reporting

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31 Aug 2015 11:28:26
Just over 24 hours to go in the window and it's obvious to everyone that we need to bring in new players to challenge for the title. But all the is about out-goings: De Gea to Madrid, Hernandez to Leverkusen, and now Januzaj on loan to Dortmund.

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31 Aug 2015 13:23:19
Maybe we will sell Rooney too and go with no strikers LOL. New system and philosophy :)

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31 Aug 2015 11:28:06
So that's janujaz and Hernandez on their way out along with Evans, and there's also DDG going to RM!. surely I hope to god this means a couple of signings are in place. LVG surely won't leave with one striker in Rooney!

Any ideas who we could sign and please. do not tell me Charlie Austin. that would be suicidal!

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31 Aug 2015 11:20:26
A post further down by "inhope" mentions we have been poor for 3 years under 3 different managers, which I agree with and here is why I think a major part of that is true.

I know it's fashionable to blame Rooney for not finishing or doing much at the moment, but I think he is a major stumbling block for other players as well and has been for the past 3 years. So much of our game has to go through him that it means we are limiting ourselves as an attacking threat and have done for ages.

I won't harp on about LVG/Moyes etc as we have done that to death and I appreciate we have done Rooney to death for recent form, but I don't think we have looked at the bigger picture of what Rooney does to the team as a whole quite as much.

In midfield, he slowed the game down and got in peoples way, as a #10 he doesn't do much other than recycle the ball or give it away and upfront he is anonymous (or a massive liability when we commit men forward en-masse as we saw yesterday). Basically he is trying to play like Michael Carrick does, but upfront, he doesn't have the passing ability or control of Carrick so it's even worse. He is more concerned with recycling the ball than opening up space and taking the game to the opposition, which limits the space for Depay, Mata and whoever is shoehorned into the "second striker role".

He is the captain for club and country and I don't think it's a big coincidence that both Utd & England look very pedestrian and lacking in ideas whenever he plays. He doesn't create space for our players, he is always on his heels in the box and frankly I just don't see what he brings to the table, he is ok at a lot of things, but just ok.

If we are stuck with LVG it seems we are stuck with Rooney and frankly the sell by date for Wayne was 2012, after that he is hampered the whole team, not by being the worst player but by having an average player labelled and treated as the "KEY" player. It means we don't buy alternatives and we shift players out of their natural position to accommodate him and stifle their games.

This is more than him no longer being a predator upfront, it is much deeper than that and LVG is doing the exact opposite to what he should be with Rooney (and many other things besides). On his day Rooney was undoubtedly class, but those days are limited to games against fodder and not even PL fodder now.

If we want to see attacking-fast football both the philosophy and the captain need to be replaced imo. Football is turning into chess and Rooney is our Queen with the attributes of a Pawn.

For the record Rooney used to be my favourite player because of his grit, determination and most importantly willingness to commit players and try things. Anybody could have the first two attributes, which seem to be dissipating with age for him, but the other two have vanished from his game. He plods and therefore the team plods, he is safe with the ball (or tries to be) and therefore the team is safe. We need to cut out the cancer before it spreads further. SAF identified the issue, but unfortunately he didn't have time to cut it out before Mr. Desperado & Mr. Delusional got hold of the managers seat.

One more side point - Depay is this season's ADM by the looks of things, can't help but think Rooney is a key aspect to that happening as well, no space = no excitement and the ball being given away a lot. I wonder how many of our players want to say to the manager "Rooney just doesn't do enough", but they know it will be them that faces the axe if they do, sorry state of affairs!

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31 Aug 2015 11:42:46
and yet we are no better when he is missing ?
there is far more to it than one player .
you will be telling us welbeck will be top scorer in the league and we need to spend 50 mill on kean next .

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31 Aug 2015 12:35:37
He's got a point Rooney has been poor since he injured himself against Bayern. Should move him on next summer

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31 Aug 2015 13:33:01
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I am not in the Rooney bashing camp and my only issue a few years ago was with him asking for a transfer. TBH he has been utter sh. t so far this season and i know you like him a lot but this is when he needs to really show he is capable of carrying us and so far no indication at all he is capable of doing that.

He is the opposite of Aguero for me who is always looking to turn and run at defenders and take a shot and always tries the funky pass or lays it off.

If you look at Swansea's first goal and where rooney was, most strikers would be looking to turn and take the player on and open up an angle for a shot, he instead gave it away for a break away goal.

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31 Aug 2015 11:10:19
Well I watched the game in my local so didn't post straight after as I may have said untrue things but a few points.
1) Blind has been great so far but Gomis dominated him I felt and that's a concern for when we come up against powerful strikers.
2) Rooney - thought the man would of been full of confidence but lacklustre again and just like v spurs (own goal) taking forever to get a shot away, I've said it for 18 months but I think it's telling more so now that his instinct has gone.
3) pass pass pass pass, but no penetration again, possession means nothing if we're not shooting.
4) Romero seemed very shaky from passing it out, his kicking, slow getting down.
5) Memphis needs to stop falling over and prove himself, a game on the bench would do him no harm.

I feel that again the first 15 mins like against Newcastle we looks high in tempo and dangerous but we then revert back to the sideways passing, only Herrera and Memphis seem to want to have a go and there is definitely a fear factor of playing the risky pass, I thought last season it was safety first with our defence but now I fear it's just our style until LVG leaves.
So what conclusions can we draw, at times I feel we're almost there but in honesty I think we are 4 players short of being a top team GK, CB, RW, ST and after all the money spent it's hard to believe we still 4 short. Against better teams we are going to struggle and we've fallen far if we're hoping and praying to recuse a point against Swansea as good as they are, we should be disappointed we're chasing draws. I fear our goalscoring will cost us heavily if we haven't signed a top striker in the coming hours. If things stay the same we can be sure of many 1-0, 0-0, 1-1 games and that won't be enough to challenge.

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31 Aug 2015 11:23:55
Predictable lethargic & boring, that's how my beloved man Utd have become over the last 3 years.Lvg is not the right man,our transfer policy is a joke.All were good at is getting sponsorship deals.Dont get me started on Rooney.If we don't sort out the keeper issue a centre half & a striker 5 th place beckons for us.

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31 Aug 2015 11:56:31
I still think we will finish 4th but it's the way the we will get it. This year we should be lookong to challenge. Possession football that struggles to produce and end product. Rooney of course is a massive issue. He is nowhere near the player he was some years ago. Fergie saw that and knew it was his time to go. He has not impressed since.

His commitment and work ethic on the pitch can not be questioned but it masks the greater issue that is his ability. First touch, ability to run with ball and one of his greatest strengths finishing has diminished at an alarming rate. The Rooney of years before would have taken those 2 chances that he got at Swansea and that would have been the difference yesterday.

I feel like we have left it too late to get in a forward and it will come back to haunt us during the season.

I think LVG has steadied the defence, sorted the CM and we look a much more confident team, but in the final 3rd we do not have that spark. And the chances of acquiring that type of player right now is like going out shopping on Xmas eve! The real present you want is probably sold out so you will have to settle for something else.

I just hope to God that they have something up there sleeve.

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31 Aug 2015 11:09:18
Hi Guys

This may seem a little dramatic but I would sell Fellani.The reason being as soon as he steps foot on the pitch we stop playing football and just hoof the ball towards him.We actually played some nice stuff at times yesterday but as soon as he came on that was the end of that.It may come off every now and then but its not something that reaps constant reward.I want us to play fast attacking football where we get behind defences with slick passing not just hoof the ball from all over the pitch.

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31 Aug 2015 11:21:39
we stopped playing football? what football is this, we play slow and boring,

the thing is we have good attacking players to play fast football just LVG is ficsated on stats.

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31 Aug 2015 11:26:09
Bazza - that is punishing the player for the managers instruction imo. Do you not think the players are doing precisely what the manager tells them to do by launching it to him? We needed Fellaini yesterday because let's face it what would Hernandez have done upfront? The ball doesn't get threaded through and we have zero aerial ability, so we constantly recycle the ball without an outlet up top that has presence. Our best performances have come when Fellaini plays, that's not good.

I agree it's horrible to watch, but I looked at our bench and looked at the way we were playing and genuinely thought, without Fellaini how the hell are we going to even get the ball in the box, let alone attack! Fellaini is the least of the problems we face, but its a disgrace that he is the only alternative the manager has. Not much of a philosophy.

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31 Aug 2015 11:30:51
The thing was as LVG said we couldn't cope with Gary Monk changing tactics, that's a concern in itself. Plan A worked until then but without fellaini we don't seem to have a plan B and without fellaini I dunno what we'd do sometimes. His mere presence causes havoc

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31 Aug 2015 11:37:00
Yep. If in doubt, blame the Wig.

I think he's by far, the least of our worries.

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31 Aug 2015 12:46:48
LOL sell the one player that most think we might get something now with him on the pitch. The delivery to him yesterday was poor and he is far from being the problem.

You have a left winger in Depay who refuses to go down the wing and cross the ball and wants to come inside all the time and the opposition just overloads the middle of the pitch. Rooney is not fast enough to make diagonal runs and when he does and gets the ball he takes for ever to control and shoot. We have nothing down the right wing and I can keep going and going.

Our saving grace this season so far has been the 2 fullbacks as they have been very good to exceptional in most games. The rest with the exception of Mata and Smalling have been so so average.

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31 Aug 2015 10:46:18
Memphis Depay

I watched him yesterday and he looked as though he believed his own hype. He appeared to think he doesn't have to do anything when he doesn't have the ball, becomes petulant when something he tries doesn't come off. He is losing the ball quite often and appears phlegmatic about winning it back. He has been brought in from an easier league where he was seen as a king and for me his attitude looks like he thinks he can just do the same again and it will happen. I believe LvG made a mistake handing him the 7 jersey and he should have had to work for it this season, sadly I think he has been given it all too quickly.

He has talent but needs to understand work and the right attitude to improving is needed, he isn't the finished article he thinks he is. The big I am needs to be knocked out of him if we are going to see him become the player we think he can be.

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31 Aug 2015 11:25:48
Spot on Red!

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31 Aug 2015 11:30:18
He is this season's ADM Red-Man, in a few weeks he will stop working all together. Somebody like Depay needs runners, people creating space, he has Shaw and then that's it, a static box or Mata trying to get there with his legs tied together. This allows teams to counter attack down our left as they did yesterday.

Last pre-season we spent it going with 5 at the back, then converted to the 4 after it didn't work. This pre-season we spent it with Depay in the #10 and then converted. We waste pre-season 2 years on the trot as far as I'm concerned. Schweiny looks just as unfit and we still haven't sorted the GK/CB situation. We are wasting talent.

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31 Aug 2015 11:45:14
beast
dont tell me depay will play well if rooney is dropped

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31 Aug 2015 12:50:39
Depay as of now has two options in front of him.

1.) Be the next Ronaldo.
2.) Be the next Nani.

I think he favors the latter.
Somehow he felt disinterested yesterday, as if it doesn't matter, i am the king.

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31 Aug 2015 10:44:03
Best case scenario DDG Signs a new contract. 2nd best:
£25m + Keylor Navas.

Navas is underrated but I think DDG will end up staying.

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31 Aug 2015 11:18:56
Navas doesn't want the move-it won't happen don't rate him anyway

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31 Aug 2015 11:26:52
De Gea staying could be the worst case tho if he doesn't sign a contract because he knows he wants out, we know we won't get a bean for him and his head won't be in it. Poor management from the powers that be.

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31 Aug 2015 12:58:05
I think if he stays he'll do his job properly. I've seen nothing in his character to suggest he would be unprofessional or become a disruptive influence.

He knows there's a major international tournament coming up soon, and he's not going to be there unless he's playing first-team football, and playing well.

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24 Aug 2015 11:36:38
Eds,is there any interest in stones from United?

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{Ed025's Note - they would like him leahy, but hes not for sale..

31 Aug 2015 09:40:34
Although not speaking to us I see Ed 002 says Bale is available at the right price a.though they were hoping to sign Reus, although he would want to join us at the minute.

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31 Aug 2015 10:16:56
I can't find where he wrote it. Wasnt this some time back and then apparently rafa and perez agreed to let him stay?

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31 Aug 2015 10:27:58
In the Real Madrid page.

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31 Aug 2015 10:28:51
I fear we might lose him to Bayern next season with Robben and Ribery aging and them losing out on KDB. We have to get Bale in the next 30 hours :(

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31 Aug 2015 08:18:05
Having spent my last weekend here before going back to the US with a streaming cold, I had hoped that yesterday's match would bring a little joy. But alas, this is not a United team that brings much of that.

As many contributors have mentioned our build up play is too slow. It is worse than that, it is also very predictable. Everything is weighted down the left hand side, which makes it easier to defend. At least Young gives it a go, so why not play him at right wing.

Gary Neville put it pretty well after the match yesterday. He said no one takes anyone on. No one beats anyone. He couldn't believe LVG was instructing them to play like this - but they are, so why?

Looking at our goal, what happened? Shaw came booming from the back, won a challenge, attacked the space with aggression and we scored. Overjoyed, we sought to capitalize on our advantage. Both our full backs got committed up field (with justification according to Gary), and Rooney, in oodles of space, destroys the impetus of the attack by carelessly giving the ball away. Swansea attack with pace, and we concede. Then the second goal highlighted the very problems we have been concerned about - Blind, who was easily beaten by Gomis in the first half when we were very lucky not to concede, cannot handle a big CF, and Romero is a crap goalkeeper. Perhaps there's the reason we're so reluctant to attack.

Now a little on the transfers. As for Sterling, I still think he's one of the most talented kids around, and was a risk well worth taking. His natural instinct is to attack the space, and he has the acceleration and balance to beat defenders almost at will. I believe that's a decision that will come back to haunt us. Other than de Bruyne there really haven't been many truly high profile transfers. Top teams are holding on to their top players, and, it appears, top players don't want to play for United.

Sorry folks, but whatever the reason, and many have been expressed on this site, since the departure of Ronaldo we have been unable or unwilling to find and invest in top young talent. To my mind, that's the key issue the club needs to address. You can always purchase a few short term end of their career stars like RVP and Schweinsteiger, but unfortunately, while they may fill a void, they cannot carry the spirit of the club. That is what we are now witnessing, a methodical and uninspired team; a club that's lost it's direction. Win or lose it's become a disappointing day out. All hail the Beast.

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31 Aug 2015 08:48:29
Yes. And we have failed to fill the shortcomings in our back 4 and now goalkeeper.
And that definitely is the reason LVG plays defensively as he knows Blind would get caught out.
We should go out and sign a CB so that it remove the thought from midfielder and full backs to sit deep as blind may get caught out.
Otamendi was there for the taking, and we should have got him, I agree he's overpriced, but would have added experienced and been priceless.
LVG, until now, is making the same mistakes as arsene does. Ignoring that he needs a new CB, and a striker and this team would go miles.
Rooney, Mata and Depay are exceptional going forward and all have excellent finishing skills. Its poor they have scored so less between them.
And I am a bit surprised that Periera has been slowly phased out of the 18, when he did come on in preseason and took the game to the opposition.

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31 Aug 2015 09:24:13
I agree with pretty much all of this post Shaw. I am reluctant to give me views on yesterday's game as I will just be labelled a Van Gaal hater (but I will no doubt air them anyway).

One thing you touched on was Sterling who many posters on here call over rated and over priced. Large fee maybe but his talent isn't in question. I would have him over Depay who was very poor and couldn't be bothered yesterday.

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31 Aug 2015 09:01:49
Agreed shaw, I just wrote a long post about this myself. We're horrible to watch. For the first time in my life recently I've considered stopping watching Man Utd. I will always love them but at the minute I get no joy from it at all

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31 Aug 2015 10:10:53
I would like to have seen both Sterling and Memphis at the club. We are seriously deficient in the speed area and with the right manager I believe the two of them could have been the backbone of our attacking options for years to come.

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31 Aug 2015 10:46:07
Great post Shaw, and nice finale.

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31 Aug 2015 11:12:59
Agree with all your post shawthing. I have been saying pretty much the same for the past two years. I think the club like ambition and have done so for many years. Fergie was a genius and the squad and team he built managed to keep going till his retirement, but when he went and they got older, the club was found wanting. We neglected investments in the squad, city bought Silva and Aguero and fergie told us there is "no value" in the market.
We sold ronaldo and replaced him with Valencia! Giggs got old and retired and all we had was Young! Scholesy retired and we didn't even bother replacing him until more or less now.
Whether we like it or not, United are always going to get ripped off in the transfer market. But that doesn't stop us from getting a better chief executive, someone who can negotiate for players. Also it should not stop us from identifying the top talent and actually going for them with intent.
Was Otimendi overpriced at £32m? Was sterling overpriced at £49m? I bet sterling will be worth £70m in two years time.
The bottom line is that the owners lack ambition, and this has been going on for a long time. Our standards have been allowed to drop and now we are going trying to penny pinch over players and are rightly being told to go forth and multiply.
This is a business these days, if a club has a player we need then why should they lower their price, they rightly want to extract every penny from us. We no longer have the power to go and buy whoever we want. And that has been further diminished by the actions of Woodward and co over the recent past.

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31 Aug 2015 08:02:17
The transfer window closes on the 31st of August midnight or the 1st of September midnight?

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{Ed002's Note - Neither.}

31 Aug 2015 08:21:17
September 1st, 6 o'clock in the pm.

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31 Aug 2015 12:08:54
midnight tonight in spain and france,6pm tommorow in england,if de gheas going it has to be today.

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31 Aug 2015 06:56:13
Morning,

With the transfer window closing, and everyone crying out for a RW and/or a ST, I can't see anyone available of the quality people are expecting and furthermore if Reus and Greizmann were available would they even want to join and play for a such a methodical manager who stifles their attacking talents? Ala Di Maria?

It's a change in style that's needed, and I'm afraid if LVG doesn't change he won't be here next year. Does he seriously believe himself when he says 'we created lots of chances blah blah' it's dreadful to watch us attack sometimes.

I honestly think if a player is to come in on deadline day it will be a keeper and I wouldn't hold my breath.

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31 Aug 2015 08:24:50
Agree.

The main obstacle for a world class play to come is not about money. It is more like "vision, "philosophy", emotional connection of the manager/club to the player". LVG has lots rumours against it.

On the other hand, if some world class player could finally join, his ability can be castrated by "the philosophy" again. LVG has records with it.

LVG maybe brought up the best of Young, Luke Shaw, Smalling and Fellaini. But they are helpless during poor team performances caused by lacking of other factors to win a game, which we've talked a lot here.

I can only hope for a shorter "process" to come for his deed of redemption or his sacking.

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31 Aug 2015 08:52:38
You could also add to the argument, the numerous players he's fallen out with over the years!

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31 Aug 2015 16:55:25
The stunt that had restrained here unleashed elsewhere.

Now it's getting clear to me. If you were Angel or Pedro, to know LVG's strictly safe possession philosophy, how can you play with good mood? Would you stay or join?

Di Maria assist that led to PSG goal
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UZhBhDOCLfU

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31 Aug 2015 00:18:33
Schmidfield questioned my hopeful name and I'm beginning to agree. For years I've said we are pedestrian. It goes deeper than the manager, because it has happened under 3 managers. Who was the last United player who picked up the ball and ran at the opposition. We stifle any creativity and play safe, boring football. This goes back years, and needs dealing with. We don't need big names or big money spent, we need to release the shackles that hold us, and date back years.

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30 Aug 2015 23:45:43
I really think rooneys day is gone and after this evenings performance it's not looking good for us!no creativity no excitement I'm lost and can't see us being up fighting for first or second for the next couple of seasons hopefully at the least we will bring in a striker before the window closes I know we have spent a lot of money and brought in Afew players but we need that spark!

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31 Aug 2015 10:28:49
The irony that Falcao has scored more goals in less than half the game time in the league this season at a new club isn't lost on everyone. As for Romero, DDG would have made a better fist of both goals using his legs, awful. Mata and Blind(and Rooney) look like they were running upstairs in a Freddy Kruger nightmare.It will take a miracle for United not to become the new Liverpool, it;s almost a carbon copy.

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