Manchester United Banter Archive December 31 2011

 

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31 Dec 2011 23:34:15
De gea has to be the worst keeper I've ever seen. Think we need to spend money on another in January maybe Wayne hennessey from wolves amazing this season.

Believable2 Unbelievable10

31 Dec 2011 23:18:09
Joint top of the league and you boo your team at half time! Worst fans ever.
On a brighter note, happy new year Mancs.
Ultra red

Believable7 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 22:22:44
I really hate the United fans that are always calling others as City supporters when they criticize the team.

Stop being kids. when we're not good enough, we're not, stop giving excuses every time we don't win a game. Or penalties, pitch, referee, injuries... Just stop it. We are Manchester United and there's no excuses to loose games like this at home.

Basel, Benfica, City, Palace, Blackburn... none of them.

We're far from the best teams in Europe and we need improvement.

Believable9 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 21:44:25
Its in tomorrow's papers,Rooney went out for a meal stephens night with evans gibson and their old dolls...fergie found out and snapped on rooney plus made them train on their day off and big fines,apparently rooney made a joke about fergie kicking the boot at beckham at their xmas quiz night and fergie told him that comment will cost him.

RebelRed

Believable6 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 20:42:56
do you think fergie missing a trick valencia could be new henry play him through middle hes got pace terrific shot genuine trier unlike berbertov

Believable6 Unbelievable8

31 Dec 2011 20:35:05
another soft 3 points dropped as radio commentater said fergie playing round pegs in square holes excuses after game about injuries heavy pitch,this is man utd one of best teams in world defo need 4 or 5 big signings we gotta go spend 40 m on bale, get torres,ozil,wiltshire,show we are a force get linndgard between sticks.have a clear out gibson bebertov diouf macheda not good enough to get in any utd 1st team

Believable8 Unbelievable3

31 Dec 2011 20:33:26
It maybe we have to end up writing this season off. But we've been here before. We've fought off blackburn. Newcastle wasn't even a challenge. Arsenal we beat in the long run. Chelsea was a hard one but we got there although they will come again. The scouse haven't been a threat for twenty years. Three or four good signings needed. Mort

Believable7 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 18:51:02
A request to everyone. Please guys stop comparing to Barca. You guys come with a lot of ideas of how we could get this and that player and they can change positions in buildup and we can also play like them. That all is a load of crap. We are miles away from their style of play as are all the other teams. We cant buy players and expect them to play like that. It requires years of training to do it and they all have been together since childhood except for a couple in their whole squad (Villa, Sanchez). We have our own style and so do all the other teams.

Believable2 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 18:38:10
I think with the players that we had available today i'd of gone for:

Lindegaard
Rafael
Jones
Fryers
Evra
Valencia
Pogba
Carrick
Nani
Berbatov
Welbeck

That would of been a much better starting 11

RedDevil19

Believable4 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 18:35:24
Happy Birthday Alex

Its a good one and will be remembered for a long time down the M62

Ha Ha Ha

Believable8 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 18:32:42
de gea is world class, i cant wait to see if he can maintain his form for years to come at the one and only manchester united!

Believable6 Unbelievable5

31 Dec 2011 18:25:53
Strength in depth none
Imagination in midfield none
Transfer kitty none
Chances of silverware this season...... You fill in the blanks

Believable6 Unbelievable4

31 Dec 2011 18:10:23
In these times of difficulties we come to know who our true friends are. When I was very upset they came and made me feel a little better. Whatever we do they will always be there to support us and follow on our footsteps. Even Liverpool get a win against a strong Newcastle side ( though they share points against weaker ones) But Chelsea are always there to share the spotlight with us. We get beaten badly by City, Chelsea get thrashed by Arsenal. We lose against Blackburn, Chelsea dont leave us in the dark, instead they come with a ray of hope.
Thank you Chelsea. True friends indeed.

I dont know why but when Blackburn scored the second I started laughing. Maybe I thought it to be a joke or maybe I'm losing my mind.

Believable5 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 18:09:53
Anyone think Mateo Kovacic will be the attacking minded midfielder to come in? With Rodwell as the box to box player. That could be the combination we make.

Believable2 Unbelievable3

31 Dec 2011 17:59:05
It hurts dosnt it lads. Lots more twist & turns to come yet for all of us.
BLUE MOON.

Believable2 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 17:54:44
Another Knob. F**k off and support City. RAINFISHTROMBONE


Love your posts mate, I have forgot more about united than you know, and you quite clearly have never kicked a football in your life with some of the tripe you post, either that or your 11 years old, fact is united team is garbage and have been skating by for 3 seasons, no money = no top signings = no success, united have won things in spite of the glazers not due to them, and fergie does to much rotating, look at the team he put out against liverpool, we could have smashed them but he set out for a draw, fergies a great manager but he gets it wrongs sometimes like today, people have the right to criticize and to post f**k off is childish, if you want to support city go for it, no doubt you are a glory hunter mate.

Believable3 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 17:52:58
so reddevil,
7 nil you predicted today, a bit hopeful dont you think (lol) man city going through rough patch and still are top with game in hand.

B o H

Believable2 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 17:48:31
Todays malaise started when MUTV in the ground put the team across the screen ultra quick and didnt repeat it. Then a choir sang the impossible dream and Happy Birthday so the team runs out to almost silence, no build up. The malaise spread to the crowd and the team so we played like the choir that was singing before the game. We need to build games up and move away from sentimental stuff, no matter what our manager does or has done, this is about the club and the team not one man. At Anfield some teams are beaten when they play the walk on music, today at Old Trafford was like a school party. We need to do something to set the scene better.

SAF is not above criticism, a poor midfield selection, Park and Rafael in the middle, poor. Why does SAF always go with experience? If Pogba, who warmed up for most of the first half, cannot start in front of those two then there is an issue. The other point was the malaise up front and little extra effort was put in by any of the front three to close anyone down or get the ball back. Welbeck was poor, Hernandez showed his lack of all round centre forward play and lack of confidence since his injury.
It is not just midfield and attack, the centre of defence needs addressing. Rio has been too injury prone and whilst we bought Jones we also let Brown and OShea go and they could have filled in there so we are short of numbers with no outstanding youth option either. Yak ran right through Carrick and Jones. De Gea made a mistake but he is far from alone. A keeper in a new country needs a run of games but SAF has swapped and changed, which cannot build De Gea's confidence. When is he going to get the time needed to settle? SAF is dithering over the keepers, he bought De Gea , give him a run.

Blackburn had one tactic in the first half, take a free kick into the corner of the box where the monster looks to get a flick on. He went down ultra soft but how stupid for Berbatov to get involved.

Down the years we have got away in games like that but now the back up is not there and SAF does not seem to trust the youngsters. It could not be better timed with the window opening tomorrow. Whether the manager can prise someone away or money out of the owners is to be seen, but it needs to happen in summer as we keep saying.

This doesnt mean we cant win the league but if SAF remains stubborn or is not given the money in the window, refuses to give the talented youngsters any real time then we will struggle to finish first

Many years ago we lost a game 4 1 to QPR and still did well. I expect us to come back but that was a big wake up call and not just on the pitch.

Red Man

Believable1 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 17:48:15
Guys it was a poor result but on a brighter note i think Anderson and Rafael done well on there returns to the first team.
PS anyone see Nanis' hair ?

Walrus

Believable3 Unbelievable4

31 Dec 2011 17:42:09
Can I just say as a Celtic fan watching your game today, just what poor supporters United have these days. 2-3 down with 10 minutes to go, your team pushing for an equaliser and you could have heard a PIN drop. What about giving your team some vocal backing. I hope you all watched Celtic game on wednesday to see how REAL fans back their team. Timalloy

Believable7 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 17:16:56
This is my opinion and only my opinion....

de gea still young and next season wud of gotten used to the prem hopefully plus 18million pounds so there must be quality identified there too early to be writing him off.

For me jones best posistion is rb. id rather have him in at cm then cb. cb requires alot of experience and maybe because hes still young that he may become a better cb then cm i might be wrong but id rather have him play cm because he has a good footballing brain and is great at running with the ball and this solves the martinez situation.

i also belive we need a cb in january nearly as important as a midfielder, vidic is out evans lets be honest dusnt cut it, and ferdie seems to be always injured and today was out with a goddamn cold

rafael fabio dnt know how long we can wait before we dont rate them, they havnt had a good run in the team due to their injuries.

evra for me has lost it completely disentegrated from what he was 2 seasons ago but we hav fryers who at 19 seems hes got potential

HERNANDEZ is a very good player he does whats hes good at perfectly yet ppl on this rip him 1 cos he goes tru a game without doing nything, but chicha requires service this is why when rooney plays upfront they rip defences, today he didnt get 1 through or long ball anytime he got a pass he was on the wing, also with the massive amount of crosses nun of them were great except valencias to berba.
chicha is a good player and if we had a creative player in mf ppl wud rate him higher becos hed score much more goals.

also wtf is up with our deliveries from setplays, i cnt remember the last time we scored from a corner and in this game we had a total of 17 corners and our no.17 can't take a corner if his life depended on it.

also im hoping berba is sold in jan, i knw hes a talented player and givs us sumtin different but he dusnt suit our play and no point havin him rot on the bench and his 100k salary can be used to help get a quality mf.

with the pogba situation i think fergie is trying to force him sign a contract until then he wont start in the premiership.

whats with rooney being rested today aswell, dont believe he had a strain seeing as last game he was benched aswell.

think gibo is gone, kiko looks like going qpr, berba says he wants to stay cnt do nything about that if he digs his heels, hopefuly diouf gets sold or atleast loan.

Also loads of ppl naming players who r not proven like rasmus elm, etc. we need a world class player i wont take nything else no point buying another ando and then waiting 3/4 years for him to fail then be in the same situation.

we need a cb, lb and am in jan if we want to win league i think, i can't see us beat man city away without vidic nevermind a clean sheet.

what do you guys think?

Sulei

Believable5 Unbelievable3

31 Dec 2011 17:15:14
Poor result today-but that is life.What i don't understand is how are our youngsters are supposed to get experience if we don't play them surely when we are short of fit defenders we would be better off playing Fryers than playing our midfielders out of position.

Marky Mark

Believable2 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 17:15:04
haha just a bit of banter its great to return the favour of the abuse we got when blackburn held onto a draw with us Karma can be a cruel mistress.
Carlos79

Believable7 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 17:14:23
We lost this game because we gave up 3 goals to a poor team. Lindegard is a better keeper right now and I wonder if he would be our no 1 if Degea didn't come with a huge transfer fee? I think all of us though the selection was strange for the Wigan game but we won, so now that we lose we all bitch. Lets hope Sunderland can get a point.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 16:54:16
Just want to say to all those who mocked Liverpool when they failed to turn dominance into goals at blackburn.... You were thoroughly out done by a team who are struggling to get out of the relegation zone.. They may be going down this year but they can take with them the day they smashed united! {Ed004's Note - Just like Blackpool took down the memories of their double over Liverpool}

Believable5 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 16:51:40
I would pick Lindegaard over De Gea as De Gea lacks confidence and when our defence has been blighted by injuries the last thing we need is a dodgy keeper.

I think we should go buy a CB and push Jones into midfield as he looks alot more comfortable today as he was a fault for 2nd goal.

Also why did it take Fergie so long to bring Keane on.
He should have been on once score was 2 -2 Wellbeck didn't do alot today.

With the team we had available its not too much of a shock that we lost but more to do with the manner in which we lost i.e individual mistakes.


All it take now is for Ferdinand to be out for a while and we have no leader at the back.

We maybe forced to gamble on these youngsters.

Mad Hatter

Believable3 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 16:44:58
cheer up lads chelsea are 3-1 down to the villa and spuds are currently drawing.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 16:35:43
A question for everyone. When we were 2 down with the same squad if you could replace Park with one midfielder who could have broken the stubborn defense and get the ball past the 10 men who would you choose ? That is the player I would like to see at United.
For me:
Modric: No. If the other team is attacking then he can distribute balls easily to create chances but in such a situation he will be worthless.
Nasri: No
Silva: Yes. But cant get him.
Sneijder: Maybe. Actually not sure.
Ozil: Yes. Wish we can get him.

Feel free to add names.

Believable2 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 16:34:33
3 points dropped that we never expected. Anybody remember what happened last time we dropped 3 points? We went on an amazing run with a injury ravaged squad and we can, and will, do the same. Chin up.... HERBIE

Believable1 Unbelievable5

31 Dec 2011 16:28:22
I don't think we need to panic and there shouldn't be any knee jerk reactions to this result. We have hardly anyone fit, no defenders, hardly and central midfielders. Having said that, not starting Rooney was a travesty - we needed his drive, that was lacking at times.

I do still believe that we need reinforcements, firstly a versatile defender. Two options in that department for me, either Mauro Isla or Jan Verthongen. Both would be under 10 million, both experienced and quality. Isla would be the better option for me. That would leave the defense ticking over nicely.

Midfield wise, If you look at the individual positions you can see where we are most lacking.

Right Midfield= Nani - Class, Valencia - Good

Left Midfield= Young - Patchy, Park - on his way out.

Central Midfield= Carrick - Good, Fletcher - could be done, Cleverly - Could be class, Anderson - not sure, Pogba & Morrison - could be class.

So with the right side sorted, one central midfielder and one left sided player could be really useful for us. I don't think a holding player is needed, especially in the EPL. If we do need a DM we can use Jones, Carrick and hopefully still Fletcher. Perhaps Kwadwo Asamoah, good box to box player would do the job. A box to box player would be great, either Rodwell or Martinez would be the ideal player.

Sneijder - now he could well be an option, but ultimatly is it what we need? Anderson for one is better going forwards from that position, so instead of buying Sneijder then i think that we could be better to go for the box to box player like Rodwell or Martinez. Having said that, i'd be delighted with Sneijder.

The other area we need to improve is on the left side of midfield, Young doesn't cut it in my opinion. Park is on his way out and Giggs plays centrally now, he doesn't have the legs for the left wing. The two dream players would be Hazard or Bale. Preferably Bale, if we were to sign Bale i think we wouldn't have to replace Evra. Bale has the legs to run back, help out, he is a willing runner. Equally he can play through the middle where he is also effective. The same goes for Hazard. I'd choose Bale though as he is British.

Up front we are well stocked, however, Diouf is surplus to requirement, Owen is a waste of money now and Macheda needs some loan experience. With 4 players (Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck and Berbatov) we would have enough, and hopefulyl Macheda will get some good experience and come good. The only way we need another forward is if we could sign Torres or Higuain, someone exceptional - that way Berbatov and Macheda could probably leave. Although i think he is a great player.

Based on that this is the team i'd love to see at Old Trafford soon:


De Gea


Jones Ferdinand Vidic (i hope) Evra


Nani Carrick Cleverly Bale


Rooney

Hernandez


Then with rotation options:

Lindegaard, Rafael, Fabio, Isla, Smalling, Evans, Young, Park(?), Giggs (?), Fletcher (?), Anderson, Rodwell, Bebe (?), Welbeck, Berbatov, Pogba, Morrison, Fryers.

That for me would be a decent young squad, with ability, youth and experience running throughout it.

RedDevil19

Believable0 Unbelievable3

31 Dec 2011 16:24:14
I knew something was wrong about this weekend after all pool won against newcastle but didnt expect us to get beaten.
Did anyone see the post match interview? What did SAF say?

Believable1 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 16:18:30
Winning or not we need improvement.

If we don't get ones, we'll be challenged when we go to play Gunners, Chelsea, Spurs away. We lost 3pts today(just 3), but as you guys says, this can happen to any team, so following the idea, we may loose more pts and we must pray City does too.

Stop with this rubbish about SAF going out. We just need 2 or 3 world class players and get back the injured ones.

HolyUnited

Believable0 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 16:09:33
I'm not coming to mock. Just to say s**t happens to everyone. Don't let it get you down and look forward to your next game.

Rewflo

Believable5 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 15:57:55
after todays performance it's just clear we need some creativity.. without rooney there isn't much going off and the opponents don't fear us, we need a world class CAM, CDM and a striker.

ins:

oezil
martinez
torres

out:
hernandez
diouff
gibson
macheda

______lindegaard______
smalling_rio__vidic__evra
___martinez_cleverley__
luisnani___rooney__oezil
_________torres_______

look at the difference 3 players all 20-25m each would do...
we could swap hernandez for oezil, then we'd only need to spend 50m on torres and martinez...

(place in banter ed thanks) {Ed004's Note - I would prefer Higuain to Torres and Bale for left back. Put Martinez and Ozil in midfield, Nani and Valencia on the wings with Rooney behind Higuain it would be a deadly attack}

Believable4 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 15:55:41
lads on behalf of every liverpool fan i would like yo say hard luck today and its such a pity the prem will be going to city {Ed004's Note - Based on half a season, I know Pool fans are used to having their end of season party now, but we are only 3 points behind IF City win}

Believable3 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 15:50:04
Just got back from the game (Very strange atmosphere right from the start crowd never got going) And it was just one of those games when if it could go wrong it did. Two players pulling each others shirt and a penalty is given. Then we get back into the game after being two down only to throw it away. I come back and read this site and all of a sudden Sir Alex has gone from the best manager ever to someone who hasn't got a clue. I really don't know where we have attracted these mindless idiots who call themselves Manchester United supporters from. Here is a bit of news for you, everybody loses games no matter who they are. Fergie did not pick a team to lose he is looking at the big picture and thought that the team he put out could do a job. 99 times out of 100 they would have won that game. And to see DDG get so much stick just backs up my point. No mention of my favourite player Jones who Yak just ghosted past for the second goal and what about a defence that offered its keeper no protection on corners. I have been telling you for years that the squad is getting weaker and weaker because of the lack of investment from the Glazers but how dare any of you criticise Sir Alex for his team selection. look at the results after the derby and watch us come again. If you have criticised the team or Sir Alex today hang your heads in shame and see yourselves for what you are. What would Roy Keane say about you. Get behind the boys and Sir Alex it is a long way till the end and there will be plenty of more twists. RAINFISHTROMBONE

Believable5 Unbelievable8

31 Dec 2011 15:48:53
after todays very bad result for you , i hope all you utd fans get behind super stevie g and lpool on tuesday when we play your nearest and dearest , i can just hear you all now shouting come mon stevie , come on andy , dont worry we will take at least 1 point of them..............lfc

Believable3 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 15:43:21
"26 Dec 2011 18:02:21
Don't worry lads Blackburn are a great side that won the league not so long ago....or rather they won the league not so long ago if you can remember when liverpool last won it. lol. Don't worry once Suarez is banned i'm sure Carroll will step up to the mark and show us this potential for which you spent 35m on. Or Gerrard may actually go two games without being injured or Carragher may stop giving away fouls on the edge of and inside the box. Agger and Johnson may stop their love affairs with the Physio's room, and you might find a proper right winger rather than playing Henderson out there all the time....btw how much did he cost again? lol. Lucas a player whom every liverpool fan wanted rid of a few years ago has some how become your best player although he to has taken a fancy to the physio recently. So exactly how has Kenny improved this team? He maybe a good motivational manager but he's as good at spotting talent as Benitez was(anyone remember Josemi) and his tactic's are a little out dated. But i do wish you all the best but to improve you may need to remove your heads from your asses.

Shappy"
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You're right Shappy mate Blackburn, are a good side. lol

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Believable11 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 15:39:41
All those who say Rodwell can improve us please tell me how? Is it because he can play in more than one position?
For me he would be just like Gibson, worthless but I would take him for around 5m-8m pounds.

Believable2 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 15:37:01
I cannot understand how Fryers did not play and let Carrick play centre mid or go with Carrick at the back but play Pogba in the centre of the park.
No one can possibly say that playing a more experienced rb is a better option in midfield than a young quality midfield player I just cannot understand that.
Fair enough Pogba is inexperienced but he has more experience playing in the middle of the park than Rafael then why he didnt give the kid the last few minutes I do not know players were getting tired and there was nothing to lose giving him a few minutes.

Rant over !

Devil Dust.

Believable1 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 15:35:01
What really gets me is that Blackburn played youngsters today who onli had 1 game experience in the premier league. So If Blackburn can throw in youngsters against Liverpool and man united then why can't we throw in one against Blackburn? Fryers cud have played cb today letting carrick play in midfield where he's been playing well. Another thing, last season hernandez was the best poacher around, yet this season he's coming deep and shooting from 20+ yards. We defo need to sign someone in January, without Rooney playing we have nobody to create anything. We won't win the league this year no way. Few players need to go aswell! Once again de gea will get the blame, yh he made the mistake that led to the goal but going forward we was terrible, for every shot nani blasts wide do we class this as a mistake? Or maybe it was will keanes fault for blocking the shot on the line?
Big changes needed!!

Big Mac

Believable1 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 15:30:47
''Freyers cb carrick in the middle for a start...''

''Fryers at cb carrick in the middle wer hes been imense giv the young lads a try anything but a rb at cm and a winger. no creativity at all''
______________________________

So Fryers who has so far only made a couple of appearances in the first team, those being at left back, throw him in at the deep end at CB against Yakubu? How do you know that would have gone any better? And let's say it didn't, let's say it was the same or worse, do we yet know if Fryers has the mental capability to shrug off the knock in confidence? I don't know him personally, and I'm sure neither do you.

Same goes for all the young lads. I keep seeing people moaning about them not playing, ''if they're good enough they're old enough'' etc. What everyone seems to forget is that when you play for a club like Manchester United, it's NOT all about pure ability. The change from being in the reserves to suddenly thrust into media spotlight can be extremely damaging. It has to be gradual, and you have to be careful. And Sir Alex is the best at bringing youth through, and he knows the players better than any of us, so when they are playing regularly, it will be at the right time.

APC

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 15:29:32
While no-one likes defeat and usually after 1 we are full of negative thoughts and is easy to go on the rampage and spam the poor eds. Please remember it has been a poor season and we do need help. The squad isn't strong enough, De Gea needs time and some muscle but the last thing we need is Fergie out. Yeah push for world class signings but don't be turning on each other

Believable3 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 15:27:16
I'm afraid Degea is not going to prove top draw in premier league, his frailty in physical situations needs to imrove by 100 percent, which is not going to happen. A disjointed team selection, and below par squad players led to our downfall. A midfield of Park and Rafael?! Need anybody say anymore!

Believable6 Unbelievable3

31 Dec 2011 15:23:27
Look on the bright side , Anderson played well

Believable5 Unbelievable4

31 Dec 2011 15:22:02
I might be called a hater or something but only a really stupid person won't agree that SAF selected poorly or he just believe that Blackburn came to Visit and congratulate him for his bday!

Thanks God we lost, maybe SAF will think better before say that this squad is more than adequate to fight for titles, but I don't believe.

The old man is so proud that even if we need he won't buy anyone.

Rafael, Anderson... How long they've been out?

Pogba? if he can't even play ahead of players that are coming from injuries y don't let him go to play elsewhere? Maybe is just not good enough.

HolyUnited

Believable3 Unbelievable4

31 Dec 2011 15:20:16
fergie taking the bottom teams lightly again. rubbish

Believable10 Unbelievable6

31 Dec 2011 15:15:37
de gea: enough has been said below
Jones:played well no complaints, unlucky not to score at the end.
Carrick: needed him dearly in the middle, would've unlocked the game, he's not strong enough at the back thoough.
Rafael: very determined as usual but wasn't really sure where he was playing at the start? Valencia seemed to be constantly covering him.
Evra: some nice runs, got caught out of position way too much though.
Park: he's got an engine but gave the ball away a fair bit and didn't really contribute anything at all.
Valencia: great 2nd half, decent inthe first, not bad but not great.
Nani: expect a better end product from him, wasteful. But at least he gave it a good go. wasn't good enough though.
Welbeck: nat bad, not great below average though. Didnt hold the bal as well as normal and wasn't getting into the great position as normal in the second half.
Chica: poor, didn't get in to it at all.
Berba: poor defending, liability at the back, but two good finishes.
anderson: played well when he came on considering he just cam back from injury.

It just didnt click in the first half and that did cost us.

redboy

Believable2 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 15:11:38
Its great to see United playing off their skins.

They are one of the worst teams in the last 10 years and still have 40 odd points halfway.

We are over-achieving, and I feel gutted that Pogba wasn't started.
Any manager would have started him.
He in the middle along with Park.
I don't really know what Fergie is thinking.
He is far bulky than Rafael to start.

Rafael was okay, remember he only provided the assist for Berbatov.

And what the hell was De Gea doing? I feel he should be loaned out, that was 2-3 shockers in the game, he was the reason when we were dumped by Basel. He really needs to shave off his hair.

Lindegaard would be the happiest.

SAF - He doesn't really want to buy players to feel in the areas not is he looking to play youngsters there. What the hell is he doing ?
Why wasnt Rafael a right back?

#Tired of seeing United lose, I'm gonna stop watching the matches, unless we buy a world-class player and let Pogba/Morrison shine.

We cant win the PL this season, and City would beat us, and winning Europa is a waste of time. Better to give Morrison/Pogba 5-6 starts before the end of season to help them step up.

Believable2 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 15:10:23
WHAT A JOKE THERE IS NO WAY NOW SIR ALEX CAN SAY HE IS HAPPY WITH HIS CURRENT SQUAD THERE JUST IS NO CREATIVITY IN THE MIDFIELD. AND THE DEFENCE IS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE AT THE MOMENT, I WOULD ALSO LIKE THE OPINION ED HAS TOWARDS DE GEA AS I FOR ONE AM REALLY SURPRISED HE PLAYED TODAY AFTER THE WAY LINDEGARD HAS BEEN PERFORMING


UNITEDFORLIFE {Ed004's Note - I think he will be a world class keeper, he just needs time. However with the naivety of football fans they will all go on a witch hunt to see him leave. I will be the first to put my hands up and say he had a terrible game today but he will improve...}

Believable4 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 15:09:39
First of all, Happy Bday Sir Alex Ferguson!

What in the hell you put Chicharito ahead of Rooney when you play against 2 stronger defenders?
What a kind of formation was this one?

Why he did not used Ando from the beggining? I think that is enough to try to adapt the all team to play all around. I won't be surprised if I see Gea playing as a CB soon!

The honeymoon is over, time to think carefully like a man and realize that we're not the same team when Rooney is playing. I know, too many injuries but loose at home against Blackburn? F****k that.
Is really annoying that SAF is always discovering new things in football useless for us. we played agaisnt 5 in the central park with Rafael(adapted) and Park!?

Say whatever you want, about the positives you'll see in this game, but we lost.

We're Manchester United. I'm f**ng tired of hearing that our team is good enough and we don't need nobody else, maybe this is y we're no longer in the CL, because we're to good to be there.

Happy new year!

Believable3 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 15:09:01
I've just ordered my new home shirt for next season, dont who's name to get printed on the back though?

Rooney course not, Giggs dont be stupid, Carrick !
What am i thinking had enough of these names. Going to have to be Dzecko. Im crossing the divide ta da. {Ed004's Note - Brilliant one less glory hunter leaving.}

Believable5 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 15:08:44
top 3 keepers in the prem-
pepe
hart
schnezy
question , do you think someone send fergie a couple of made up videos of pepe and hart co with de geas head super- inposed on them , he he ...............lfc {Ed004's Note - Hasn't Reina made a few mistakes this year? Fulham for example}

Believable3 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 15:01:23
We have another 3 seasons of these fantastic team selections and all the BS about being happy with the squad. Time to go fergie we need fresh ideas
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One bad result against Blackburn and you want Fergie out? Pathetic fans. Go support someone else please!

G.A.G.U.S

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31 Dec 2011 14:54:25
Once again we make it hard for ourselves. Yes we had injuries but so did Blackburn. Even though Rooney has apparantly not trained much this week because of a few strains he was still fit enough to come on against Wigan when we were 3-0 up and I very much doubt that had we been playing against a title rival that he wouldn't have been in there. However, Even though people will point to the fact that we are missing certain players and we need some new signings for me just as big a problem is the tempo we play with. It's like we need to be a goal or two down to pick up our game and press teams high up the park and put pressure on anyone with the ball. All good sides do it all the time not us though. We have to address that or else freak results like today will happen and could cost us vital points and therefore silverware.

Rjmanutd

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31 Dec 2011 14:52:59
cant belive that! absolute s**te.
poor team selection got it all wrong, fergie thinks park and rafael then andersson whos been out for months can do the job then he most ov serious lost it {Ed004's Note - Who else was there left to pick?}

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 14:52:33
Well now that was a shock, I thought we would have won this comfortably but once again football shows how unpredictable it can be.

I honestly think Nani is at fault for todays result, he was absolutely shocking. As of the 76th minute he had made 24 crosses with only a 21 % success rate which obviously shows that he cant cross a ball to save his life, I dont care what anyone says, he is a "professional" footballer and he is paid very very well to cross the ball and he just cannot do it! He's an overated waster and I would rather replace him with someone better before replacing berbatov.

In fact theres a few who should be replaced before Berba - Park, Anderson and Evra are lacklustre to say the least and would definitely struggle to get into a Barca/Madrid side which is the benchmark if we are being honest, and we are way off that mark at the moment with these players starting games. Anderson just isnt good enough, never was, never will be.

That said I thought Blackburn played very well, Yakubu is in great form and the young lad Hanley was outstanding and deserved to get the winner and I think the Blackburn fans need to lay off their manager because they have just beat the champions and beat them well.

Flimbo {Ed004's Note - So someone who has got the most assists in the premiership last year, has the most assists for us this year and has contributed to a significant amount of goals for us this season should be sold on the basis of one game?}

Believable2 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 14:56:53
Well done Fergie, you've managed to pull it out of the bag again! Big up another underfire manager then give him and his whipping boys a present that will allow him to keep his job for another couple of weeks.
I know the squad isn't strong enough, so do many others on this site, so please stop trolling out this rubbish that you are happy with it. Unless, that is, you are content with a top six finish.
MANC RED99

Believable3 Unbelievable3

31 Dec 2011 14:55:48
We need to buy a decent centeral defender as vidic is out until next season, Gary cahill has to be that signing 7m absalote bargain also we need a decent attacking force in midfield so mario geotze and/or wesley sneijder would be great signings,we should ditch de gea or atleast keep him on the bench for later and start lindegard in goal, he has not conceded a goal in the premier league yet, now thats what i call reliable!

Believable5 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 14:54:56
Thank god for the loss. Just what we needed before going into the transfer market. Maybe this will make SAF realize that without Vidic we do require someone in the back. Playing the players out of position does not help the things.
De Gea might have lost his position the squad for the majority of the season, not even a single save today.

Most importantly Pool fans please grace us with your presence. We deserve some stick from you after this performance so wont complain but please dont tell us that our downfall has begun and we'll be relegated this season and you guys have found your form and will win the league, you also know that it would just be BS.

Believable4 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 14:54:40
DDG, while i have no doubt will be a good keeper, hes just not cut out for the premership atm. He can't handle any physical contact hes either muscled out of it or expects the referee to help him. We can no longer afford gifting teams with goals, get him out and on that ronaldo diet for next season.

Also united's passing and final balls were woeful at times. Again our lack of squad strength is highlighted, i can really hope we get some quality guys to improve this.

Wake up united and some supporters too ! and lose the thoughts of grandeur we ain't the all conquering team of before.

Believable3 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 14:54:34
The performance was just disgraceful,I have to say.If utd don't buy at least 2 or 3 players in jan,I fear we will struggle.and it's not just because of today.i really feel we don't have enough to win the pl.were already out of cl are the alarm bells not ringing fergie.its been extremely disappointing.im sick.

Super red

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 14:51:37
We should sign Bunn , Hanley and YAKUBU.

#1 UNITED FAN.

Believable5 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 14:51:25
Manuel Neuer

we shud of bought him

Believable4 Unbelievable7

31 Dec 2011 14:51:20
Crazy game. Reminded me of the Basel 3-3 actually. Blackburn never looked like scoring and somehow scored 3? Astonishing... didn't they only have 3 shots on target or something? Regardless, poor result that. Nani was very wasteful. And no disrespect to Carrick but he is no CB, he is extremely weak in the tackle.
Jones impressed me a lot, for a 19 year old to battle that well against Yakubu it's got to be pretty impressive.
Anderson was good when he came on, and more importantly looked as if he'd got a lot fitter aswell? Did anyone else think that?
Valencia for me was MOTM.

Never an excuse, but I thought we were extremely unlucky.

APC

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 14:48:17
Well that was eventful, the Yak was quality when he had the ball with him.

I'm not going to sit here and slag of De Gea or make excuses for him. players make mistakes, it happens, deal with it. he hasn't made one in a few months so I'm not too fussed. We lost because we didn't take the game by the scruff of the neck like we're supposed to do at home not because De Gea made a mistake.

I guess all eyes will be on City tomorrow.

P.S - some of the posters are acting like this is the end of the world, why? we lost a game, this happens throughout a season I'm sure both us and City will lose a few more games before the end of the season, it's how it works.

have a good new years guys.

The Moon.

Believable4 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 14:46:44
UTD seriously need to invest in big players! A utd team without Rooney is no team at all.

SteUTD

Believable5 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 14:45:21
Is it now customary to give others presents on your birthday or has Sir Alex started a new trend?

Believable3 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 14:45:32
I used to like de gea and thought we should give him a chance. But no, he's utter rubbish. continues to make ridiculuos errors consistently, if we do lose the title i think he would be at major fault for it. lindegaard needs to be our number one now, at least hes solid and doesnt make childish errors.

redboy

Believable2 Unbelievable3

31 Dec 2011 14:44:12
Oh well guess right.... There were 5 goals!

Jono

Believable1 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 14:42:17
That's it we are done.

The only chance we had of winning this league this year was to keep so much pressure on city hoping that they would crack.

With, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and city away, good night.

Believable2 Unbelievable3

31 Dec 2011 14:39:46
This is all on Fergie, what a crap lineup to start the game, way to spend all that money on Degea, Lindegard is clearly the better goalie and yet because we spent all that money on Degea he plays. Worst result in years!

Believable5 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 14:38:51
Disgusted, got what we deserved.

That was utter s**t and AF is to cleaver for his and our own god. To think that you can just rest players like he has today is a joke.

Blackburn Rovers I ask you.

We will win F*** all this year.

Believable6 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 14:36:22
De Gea has been awful today and has cost is the match! Lindegard had been playing well and is a good organiser why change it?

Square pegs in round holes today and we have totally caught out.

Why not play Zeki at CB instead of Carrick? The play Carrick in CM instead of winger?
Also Pogba could have started in CM.

So disappointing and totally deserved result.
Ajp

Believable3 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 14:32:51
Awesome, our wonderful large strong squad messes up again. Why can't any at united see we ain't good enough and need 3/4 quality signings

Believable2 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 14:29:27
Lindegaard will be the only united player that may smile about something.

JWalk

Believable5 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 14:28:00
Mike Dean has been pretty poor this game, 90% of the time that is a foul on de gea!

UNITED_LEGENDS

Believable2 Unbelievable5

31 Dec 2011 14:14:06
Yep, sure makes sense why so many of you hate Berb and he's top of your lists to go in Jan, yep sure makes sense.

Thank God Utd have activated the extension in his contract.

Some of you must be so upset that the only guy currently finding the net is the player you all want shut of.

Yep he's no use at all is he Berb.........*!$(&!!!

Believable2 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 14:08:47
How can he do it i just don't understand... Playing so poorly then he pulls 2 goals out the bag?!? Credit to Valencia though, having a storming second half!

UNITED_LEGENDS

Believable2 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 14:08:42
Hope all you Berba haters think again, he's absolute class

Sparty On

Believable3 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 13:58:27
Great response. 2 1

RedNdProud

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 13:55:56
Maybe Andersons change in hairstyle will change his form?

Nik legend

Believable1 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 13:48:33
Never come out of the traps quick enough, too many touches, too many pass backs, too many players stationary, just no tempo and without tempo it's difficult to overcome. I would take Rafael off and bring on Anderson. I would also take Park off and bring on Pogba. Shame we didn't have one more fit CB, Carrick would make a difference in midfield.

Sydney!

Believable0 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 13:24:41
Probably take rafael off and play Pogba CM? This is shocking so far...

UNITED_LEGENDS

Believable1 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 13:24:33
Complete rubbish atm, whats up with Rooney

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 13:19:01
Why the heck is rafael playing in the centre midfield ?

MUMBAI_BOY

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 13:08:40
Bonus! I have 4-1 utd.

Jono

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 13:01:01
Where is Rooney today. Why isn't he starting? Is he on the bench?
The Red Manc

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 12:57:30
Can't say that i am surprised with the line up, SAF has always said that Valencia could do a job in central midfield, maybe its a sign he will be another option in there instead of signing someone else?

I hope thats not the case, but who knows with SAF. I think Nani will play wide and so will Welbeck with Hernandez and Berbatov up front. There are plenty of goals in this team and I think SAF wants to go top, regardless of whaat City do - if we can get 6 or 7 then we will be top in our own right probably.

RedDevil19

Believable0 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 12:39:47
No Kiko or Gibson? Seems they are off next month.

Sydney!

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 12:34:48
Well that is officially the strangest team he has ever put out. What is wrong with Rooney or is he just being rested? Happy to see Pogba Fryers Cole and Keane on the bench. Is this just another advertising scheme?

Welsh Dragon

Believable1 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 12:33:58
amazing squad for today 4 wingers and 3 strikers without rooney and carrick in central defence
will be an interesting game

nikhil

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 12:24:30
wots the starting line up today folks

ma ESPN playing up

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 12:21:17
Guy's, could someone please advise where the game can be watched today apart from ESPN.

Thank you.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 12:08:05
Look at the bench for the Blackburn game! Just wish Morrison was fit!

Percy

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 12:07:34
I believe everyone should forget about Modric. SAF wanted him in summer and tabled an offer of 20m which was rejected. I think SAF values him at around 20m and would pay a maximum of 25m which is very less than what Spurs expect. He might have turned his attention towards someone else by now and you can expect a very unfamiliar name.
For all those who say Modric is worth 35m, I believe you all are mistaken. I usually compare Midfielders with David Silva and he came for 25m. Silva is better in distributing the ball, possesses more skills than Modric and can run forward and score too. Modric for me is no more than 18m-22m and his performances this season dont change my opinion at all. Ozil falls in the same bracket as Silva and I woudnt mind paying upto 32m for him.
Anyways does anyone have any news if Cleverly could be playing today? If not then when will he be back?

Believable1 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 12:05:40
It sounds awful, but I hope Park picks up a little injury so that he comes off as a precaution and Pogba gets a decent run out!

#ags 19

Believable1 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 11:58:52
Paul Pogba makes the bench along with Anderson & Rooney.

__________DDG
Rafa__Carrick__Jones__Evra
Toni___Nani___Park___Welb
______Berba__Chicho

Not sure who will play centre, Toni or Nani?

Sydney!

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 11:50:46
Anderson has had his hair cut short and I think he may play some part today? Just a hunch.

Sydney!

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 11:40:29
"I am very, very happy to be in Real Madrid," Mourinho told BBC Radio 4. "It is a great experience for me.
"I believe it is probably the biggest club in the history of football. I didn't want to miss the chance to work here but my passion is England and my next step will be to go back, if possible go and stay for a long time.

"Get me a club in a couple of years, get me a good club."

couple of years could be perfect timing
jred

Believable1 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 11:25:42
linndderrgarrdd smalling vidic ferdinand evra sneider modric cleverley valencia rooney young

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 dec 2011 10:55:23
would just like to say a massive happy birthday to the greatest manager of all time sir alex, 3pts today and alot of goals would be fantastic, and maybe a couple of world class signings in jan

unitedforlife

Believable2 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 10:32:40
According to latest interview with SAF he regards Cleverley as potentially the best CM in Britain.

Be afraid, be very afraid!

I watched the guy in the reserves, he is a talent no doubt but for SAF to say this we know he aint looking for more CM's which is very very worrying.

Guys a legend dont get me wrong but he's lost it on this one.

And before you chew my ear off I'm not slagging off SAF I'm just saying that Cleverley isn't the player we all hoped we'd get in CM but if SAF thinks this then we can stop the Transfer Banter right now coz he wont bring anyone else in now hes said that about Cleverley!

Believable2 Unbelievable4

31 Dec 2011 10:12:07
''Also you say Modric is way overpriced, and Sneijder is not? Don't just look at the transfer fees, look at fees + wage package and comparing both of them, Modric would turn out cheaper''

where are people coming up with the idea that modric's wage demands will be low? Are you forgeting that chelsea(his first choice) have already agreed to tripple his wages? IMO, we would have to match £180k a week at the very least.
So assuming wesley's demands were £220k a week, the additional wages paid to sneijder would be £40k a week.
But remember, modric is valued at £40m while sneijder is now allegedly down to
£25m. Which means an additional £15m in fees upfront for modric.

In Summary, sneijder might cost roughly an additional £2m a year( £8m over 4 years) in wages when compared to modric but modric would still cost an additional £15m in transfer fees TODAY!( not over 4years like wesley).
So whose's cheaper NOW?

Millz
p.s modric will be 27years old next year. Did'nt people here say sneijder was too old to be signed when he had just turned 27. Just checking!

Believable6 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 09:38:19
a month or so ago, i posted that we would sign rodwell and gibson & macheda would go on loan in return, unfortunately i have been told that gibson is no longer a part of this deal, i can only hope this is due to his services being required elsewhere and not as part of our starting line up

i know alot of ppl may not think rodwell is good enough but i think he will in time replace carrick and be used as cover till then
am told he will cost us 17m plus add ons
which i think is a great investment

dags

Believable1 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 09:25:58
I'm getting bored of hearing the same names(sneijder, bale, modric, martinez ect) who will all cost over 30m and we just aren't gonna spend that sort of money on one player. So just for fun and to throw up a few different names heres a little game.

Pretend you've just got the job as Sir Alex's chief scout, he's asked you for a list of 12 players who you think would improve the squad/team but none of them should cost more than 20m as anyone could point out the best players in the world. So who would be on your list?

Mine would look like this:

Jan Vertonghen
Marcel Schmelzer
Emilio Izaguirre
Kwadwo Asamoah
Marko Marin
Gaston Ramirez
Sandro
Sven Bender
Marvin Martin
Xherdan Shaqiri
Andriy Yarmolenko
Shinji Kagawa

Shappy

Believable5 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 09:16:24
Happy birthday to the greatest manager ever, may you grace us with your wisdom for many years to come.

Shappy

Believable4 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 09:08:32
syd, your usually pretty up to date with this sort of thing, which players currently have contracts running up in the summer?
personally SAF saying berbas contract can be extended as late as march is genius, with it he has discouraged suitors to try and sign him on a free and in course sort a settlement, although small, with utd but if no-one now bids he can simply extend and do same in summer

dags

Believable0 Unbelievable0

31 Dec 2011 01:04:30
Happy 70th birthday to one of the greatest managers ever.

G.A.G.U.S

Believable5 Unbelievable4

31 Dec 2011 00:59:54
i don't get why people are saying the sneijder transfer will never happen if he wants money then why leave madrid or not go to city blah blah look at the situation inter milan are in there 5th in the table 8 points off the lead lucky to be in the champions league and playing awful to be honest surely he would prefer to join united with good money and a great club with some exciting football and surely he can see that we are desperate for him in the middle of the park !!

Believable1 Unbelievable1

31 Dec 2011 00:54:49
please please please buy fernando torres .................i know you will all jump on my back but think about it class is permanent form is temporary i think he could rekindle his magic with fergie and team with rooney and the assists from nani young valencia and a center mid that we could bring in maybe oil or sneijder etc torres would be class

Believable5 Unbelievable3

31 Dec 2011 00:38:55
Happy birthday Sir Alex Ferguson, the greatest manager of our generation.... HERBIE

Believable6 Unbelievable2

31 Dec 2011 00:18:19
Happy 70th Birthday Sir Alex Ferguson. The greatest football manager of all time. His like will never be seen again!

Believable9 Unbelievable3

31 Dec 2011 00:12:00
Happy birthday to the boss. Ironic that both him and Thatchers cabinet had the same idea about Liverpool. You have brought us unparralelled joy and have proved since the city defeat why you are so special. God bless you boss and happy 70th.RAINFISHTROMBONE {Ed001's Note - jesus RFT! Ferguson will have a fit if he hears you are comparing him with Thatcher or her cabinet! Don't you remember the trouble he got in for being anti-Thatcher with the FA? He got into real trouble over allowing political rallies against her at United. Love or hate him, he is no Thatcherite and would be absolutely disgusted by a comparison with them!}

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