Manchester United Banter Archive December 31 2014

 

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31 Dec 2014 20:46:40
Hi Guys

To everyone on this site a Happy New Year to you all.
Here is hoping to a very successful 2015 for the Reds starting tomorrow at Stoke.

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Yer happy n years everyone

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Happy new year

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Happy new year everyone and let's see us go in 2015. Looking forward to it.

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:( maybe not lol

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31 Dec 2014 20:24:08
May the new year bring lesser work for our medical department and razor-sharp attacking football.

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31 Dec 2014 20:17:25
Happy New Year, to everyone concerned with this site. Couldn't dodge a night shift tonight. Hopefully won't have to have words with any of you later in person!

Enjoy guys.

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Stevie

Happy new year mate, hope the night passes off quietly.

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31 Dec 2014 20:50:46
Happy New Year, Tony.

Just for future reference, mate. We NEVER use the 'Q' word. You've just unleashed a night of he'll on me now. Cheers for that :)

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31 Dec 2014 21:37:23
Have a good one Stevie mate. U to Tony

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01 Jan 2015 15:42:00
HNY, Chris. Hope this one is a lot less stressful for your family :)

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31 Dec 2014 15:06:00
Happy new year lads.
A thought.
Considering age of Rooney and cap persie and not so bright show from falcao.
Who would fancy a move for Benzema??
Madrid had interest in falcao. They may follow up and fund the move from benzema sale.
I thing considering his age its great deal of business.

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I think falcao just needs a few more games

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I agree jred. I think Falcao looks a really good player. He is known for his goal scoring (I know he has not been prolific for us, yet), but he is an excellent footballer too. He has a lot more to his game than just goals. If he can stay fit and keep his place on a regular basis, I think we will see a truly top player. Having said that, I can't see him doing enough between now and the end of the season to male his loan a permanent deal. That may sound a little contradictory, but with him competing with Rooney ( if he goes back up front when our midfielders are fit):RvP and Wilson, I'm not sire he will get enough games to convince the management to part with the money needed to make the deal permanent.

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Betty
I think when falcao starts scoring he won't stop .
I think rooney will play the 10 or cm this year .

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Jred, I hope you're right but he doesn't look the same player to me so far. Hopefully just a return to fitness issue.

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01 Jan 2015 08:37:22
I personally believe that his return to fitness is only part of the problem. Another significant issue is how slowly we move to he ball forward. He tries to make runs off the shoulder of the last defender, but has to check back two or three times whilst we move the ball out wide and Ashley and Valencia check their run once or twice, before playing the ball into the box. By which time the opposition defence have set them selves.

I think if we play the ball to him quicker he will break through the defensive line and score more.

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Huggy
Thats also a big issue

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31 Dec 2014 13:05:57
I've decided to change what I was originally going to write about in my blog post.

It's not a huge change but I felt that things like Van Gaal, the tactics, etc. should be for a separate post further down the line.

Instead, with the help of a family friend who has experience in scouting, I'm going to write several different scout reports about a whole host of players, some needed, some perhaps not needed at this present moment.

I also won't be discussing the outgoing players just yet, that will most likely be my next blog post.

Have a wonderful New Year!

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Sounds good Jose, when do you envisage having it done?

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Cant wait.

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Hey guys!

So I was looking around the site and for the 3rd time I'm going to change things.

Let me know if you agree on this;

1) I'm going to stick with the original concept the best I can. Maybe tweak some areas of discussion.

2) have something very similar to the player profiles page (which I'm happy to work with if the Editors wish) but for Manchester United players.

It could run in various formats;

a) Looking at 3 players over a 3 game period analyzing and scouting their contribution in each game.

b) A one off style scout based on 2 games via requests by posters or simply players that take my fancy.

c) Based upon positions that you guys, or myself choose a 'top 3' scouting report of the 3 players who would best fit our team and an explanation of why.

Is that something people would be interested in?

I want to start posting again but to be honest the repetitive topics of discussion aren't making me want to post as much as I used too.

Anyway!

Today is a big night! I hope you all have a great time, don't get too drunk, make it home safely and you'll me, and my Analysis in the new year! (By Saturday).

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{Ed001's Note - it is up to you if you want to use the player profiles as we have it, there is (or should be) a place for you to enter profiles on there. I can get it set so that it will automatically also post the profile on to here when you do a new one or update a previous one, if that would make it easier for you?}

That sounds good to me ed!

Once I've finished what I'm currently writing about I'll send in another post and talk about all the player profiles stuff?

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{Ed001's Note - ok mate, cheers.}

31 Dec 2014 08:43:15
hey all. since we are in dire need of a cb, there is a young brazillian by the name of Dòria. he has captained brazil at u21 level and this guy is a beast from what i have seen of him. just wondering if anyone has anymore info about him and if there would be problems gaining a work permit etc for him.

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31 Dec 2014 08:38:57
Does anyone here think that if we had Chicharito, we'd be scoring more goals?

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mbd              

31 Dec 2014 10:04:16
Chico scored 4 goals in 24 games last year, so I would imagine not.

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No, he is a one season wonder, hyped up by the media because of his nickname, seemingly nice demeanour and "baby face", also the fact he comes from a massive country with hardly any presence in the UK. Wouldn't be surprised if the excess hype was all engineered so the Prem could sell more TV rights to Mexico.

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Judging from our ometimes misfiring RvP and Falcoa, Wilson hasn't really had a sniff at goal, maybe Chicha could have made a difference, like he did when he came on for the second half at vila and won us the game.

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mbd              

Beast mate, you really are the ultimate conspiracy theorist, aren't you? Maybe he was just hyped up in his first season because he was a virtual unknown who scored lots of goals in his first season at the biggest and most successful club in English football history. I agree he hasn't developed into the player that we all wanted him to be., but maybe that has more to do with the way we played, and the role we asked him to play. Chicarito is and out and out goal scorer. He doesn't have the skills to create play like Rooney, but give him a chance in front of goal and he will usually take it.

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Hernandez is a good player but he is more of a luxury player, you can't rely on him scoring goals everygame.

He is a very limited player he needs loads of balls fed into him as he can't create space for himself due to the lack of ball playing skills.

If we didn't have Rooney Wilson and Falcao then Chichar
Ito wouldve been usful for us but for his own future he should move to a club that's going to give him maximum opportunity to improve his game.

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Betty - He was massively overhyped, he did well his first season but not well enough to justify all the adulation from the media - his goal in South Africa paved the way and even I was excited and impressed with how he settled in initially.

It is the medias reluctance to admit they called it wrong as to why many fans still think he could make a difference now. Watching his last seasons with us he needed numerous chances to score and frankly we don't create that many now. His all round game is dreadful and to play for an elite team you need to have more to it.

I don't even think he is a natural finisher, although he does get his head on a few crosses for his size. He always seems to be that foot away from connecting with the ball and is often very scruffy with his finishing whne he does actually connect.

I just don't rate him at all mate now. He is like Francis Jeffers in my eyes.

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31 Dec 2014 12:23:22
Bit harsh beast, franny Jeffers!

But yes he was overhyped, he turned up as an unknown and filled his boots as we've seen other strikers do. Cisse at newcastle and Pelle at Southampton spring to mind.

Then he suffered a bit of second season syndrome and defenders had figured him out so he didn't score as much. His third season he did better but not as good as his first. Then came last season.

I think he'd be a quality striker in a league more suited to him, Spain obviously, at a team where he'd be first choice, or Italy or France.

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The problem with Hernandez is his link up and hold up play. He is a good poacher, but so is Falcao and I wouldn't have Hernandez over Falcao who is both a poacher and does things outside the box.

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Beast, would you not class Real Madrid as an elite team then ? They certainly fit that bill better than we do at the moment. I know he is isn't a regular starter for them, but you get my drift.
As I said, I actually agree regards his all round play. But given regular games he will score goals, and lots of them. I don't see his as a United player now, but that doesn't mean he isn't still a decent player. I remember a certain Italian called Inzaghi. His all round game was pretty poor, but he was one of Europe's ngreatest goal scorers for Milan. I think it comes down to 'horses for coarses', as they say.

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The criticism of Hernandez isn't justified.
All the 3-4 years he was there with us, we always lacked a proper midfield.
We brought back Scholes, we played giggs there, and O'shea.
Then for the past 2-3 seasons our wingers were rubbish, no quality from the wings, we played Rooney or Welbeck and even tried the diamond formation.

Javier Hernandez playing in a side like Juventus or Atletico Madrid would certainly be a 20+ goal player.

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Yeah guys it's all speculation with him and I see both sides of the coin, maybe a bit harsh with Franny Jeffers comment, but you know what I mean "fox in the box" haha.

I agree he didn't get great service, but when he did get chances he looked less convincing as time went on, certainly not a top tier player, I'm sure he would do well at a Europa League team.

The only way we would know is if he went to a team where he started, but as I suggested in my first post, he is a marketing mans dream for an untapped market and I suggest that is why he is at Real Madrid now Betty, not because of how prolific he is/was, but that's the cynic in me again.

I did like how he linked with Shinji, just a shame we didn't see more of those two together. Same sort of relationship as Song & RVP.

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Just seen a review of the 10/11 season and Hernandez was immense. Not sure why he didn't kick on and cement a place in the 1st team after that. Interestingly, Nani looked good that year and Scholes and Giggs were still delivering. Also interesting to note that Chelsea collapsed mid season after Wilkins was sacked.

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31 Dec 2014 00:38:31
I know Fresh is a united supporter and infact a very good poster.

I was only pointing out that you can't disregard clubs such as Everton due to their history in english football.

Look at Inter Milan and Ac Milan they have struggled in the last few years but are still massive clubs in Italy.

When a player decides to move he has to make a choice really quickly because a sportsmens career is very short and they want maximum returns on titles and money earned.

When Rooney moved to us is because we were giving Rooney the chance to win every title and earn lots of money.

Just because we can provide players with better chance of securing titles and offering higher wages doesn't make us a massive club.

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Singh, Then what does? If winning titles and attracting world class players makes us an average club then I am confuse? History is not the only prerequisite for a massive club. Look at the worldwide fan base for example. If we are to go by your preamble, then what would we say about Villa and Forest? In my opinion, they may have been massive once, but no longer are!

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Mbd,

I didn't say we are not a massive club, we are one of the biggest clubs.

All i was saying is winning titles is not the only thing in football. There is history to consider, longevity and you have to consider what Everton have achieved in the last 100 years even with not so wealthy owners.

Every club has there own means to measure success. If we reverse the owners of our club and Evertons you would be shocked to see what will happen .

Arsenal haven't won titles for around 10 years apart from (Fa Cup). Does that make them a smaller club to what they were over 10 years ago?

There are more parameters then just wages and titles to judge if a club is big or not .

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Its just like judging a player. If you watch Pub football, you can often hear people say "this guy is top class", but then put him in a Utd shirt and he will be abysmal compared to much better players, does that mean he is no longer top class? Its all about perspective and criteria.

Same applies to BIG Clubs:

Wealth, Star Names (who decides who they are?), History, Stadium, Number of Fans, Merchandise sold, How often on TV, Sponsors, Best Training Methods, Facilities, Youth Development, Titles won, Meaning in local Community, Talked about in Media, etc etc etc,

Biggest can often mean Best, but the boxes to tick is pretty much infinite - to do it in the right way you have to take the average point of view as to what people consider a BIG club. 99.9% of people would say Utd is far bigger than Everton.

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Beast ufcourse we are a bigger club then them considering all those factors, but Everton still are a big club.

They might not be well recognised as us but within the englsh game they have made a name for themselves imo due to their longevity in the english league.

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Football is a results game and most players want medals and recognition. Coleman is not going to get that at Everton, fact.

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Exactly my point Beast.
Singh,
Almost all the EPL and Championship teams have a history. But when you consider other parameters like the ones Beast pointed out, then a clear difference emerges.

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31 Dec 2014 12:40:24
It was more the comment that coleman is far too good for Everton implying he's some sort of super player. Sure Everton have a proud history and were a leading contender 30 years ago. Now their a sleeping giant, but under the right manager they could comeback. They have one of the best academies in the country given the players to come out of it in recent years.

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