Manchester United Banter Archive July 31 2013

 

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31 Jul 2013 23:05:32
Folks just putting it out there with the emergence of zaha. I'd sell young he's muck get a few quid for him though. I really can't see him with us for long.? Secondly saw posters saying we would get 4-5 for ando. Don't get me wrong he's good when and I state When he's fit but who d take him, he breaks down too much. Lastly does anyone else think moyes has a surprise up his sleeve regarding transfers, never saw united so public about transfers?

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Posts like this make me laugh, if young is 'muck' why would anyone pay loads of money for him?

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He didn't say loads GDS, he said a few quid, I'd guess at £3. 50 tbh for Young.

Brendan81

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I reckon we could get around 10 for young, and I would actually keep ando as he seems to be getting better fitness under moyes and no one can deny his talent driving forward, and can still be a great squad player whilst we wait for some of our youth to come through the ranks

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I hope we sell Young more than Nani or Valencia. Valencia is consistent, but never a worldbeater and good defensively. Nani is one of the 10 most talented footballers in the world, but his head gets in the way and he's a very inconsistent but potential elite player. Young, meanwhile, has all of Nani's frustrating inconsistency and Valencia's lack of top-end skill and ability. I never thought we should have bought Young, and I've been eager to see him leave from day 1. Hopefully we can move some of these salaries off the books for mediocre squad players when we bring in a few new signings.

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31 Jul 2013 22:42:43
Fabregas. Modric. Whoever.
Moyes needs a BIG name for his first signing.
We know he can work to a small budget
and buy ok players.
But this is United.
He needs to show everyone HE is the manager.

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Stamped his passport this week, I can confirm he is the Manager of Manchester United!
Dylan

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I'm hoping real massively splash out on bale to give us a chance of bringing Ronnie home, surrely whatever we pay on Ronnie would be made straight back with shirt sales ect. Ect.

19JackC94

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Madrid claimed (up to you to decide if they're lying) that they made the entirety of Ronaldo's transfer fee back in two and a half years of shirt sales alone. Even if we only make a portion of that, it will guarantee at least a 50% return on investment.

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Ronaldo will not be leaving Madrid this year.

Bale/Ronaldo/Isco will be their front 3 behind the striker

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Nike get the money from shirt sales u numpties.

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31 Jul 2013 21:16:37
Was watching Alan Pardew being interviewed on tv last night, he was asked about incoming transfers.

His stock answer was,
- we need 1 or 2 additions and hopefully we can get them soon, BUT
- we must remember that the current squad is good as it is, so we are not too desperate.

Does this sound familiar?

I couldn't believe the number of posts recently on here slating our club, manager and owners just because Moyes gave this same answer. Which manager would ever come out and say 'our squad is weak and we are desperate for additions'?

Not only would that be bad for squad morale but also puts selling teams in a stronger position to ask for more money from the buying club.

I know this has been said before but it makes me sad to see how readily some fans will jump on the back of our club and staff, for no sane reason.

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Gav

Stop being sensible man! It's time to panic. We haven't signed anyone and the window is only open for another month. The world is ending, we're all doomed, I'm burning my season ticket, I can't support the club any more, it's Moyes's fault, why didn't we sign all the players every other club has signed? Aaaaaarrrggghhhhhh

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My finger is on the 'ejector seat release button' as we speak.

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AJH,

Hilarious mate, as obviously over the top as your post is, we are getting at least one post a day with half of them things in it!

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Let's face it we have lost our appeal, there are more glamorous clubs out there who attract the top stars

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No name,

Point proved.

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Misread that as Alan partridge at first

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31 Jul 2013 21:12:31
Ancelotti: "It is not true that Modric will leave, he's a very important player for us. " He also went on to say he thinks Bale is discussing the best solution for him this summer ife always thought they went sell Modric but Khedira and Di Maria are players they would sell


Manred

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I'd take them both, mate.

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Stevie

Not convinced about Di Maria. Not seen huge amounts of him but he hasn't really grabbed me when I have.

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Thought a lot of him when he was at Benfica, mate, and hoped we'd make a move when he left them.

Pacy, direct, more skilful than Young, better end-product and better decision-making than Nani.

You don't get 40 odd caps for one of the top international teams, if you're not pretty decent, and playing with better players at RM has improved his game. He can play anywhere across the front 3 too, so very versatile.

Only thing I don't like, is he goes down a bit easily, but he'd get that knocked out of him over here.

Maybe not the best at tracking back either, but again, he'd learn that. And let's face it, he couldn't be any worse than Nani in that department.

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How many caps has Nani got?

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To be fair DB, it's a lot harder to get 40 caps in the Argie's team.

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31 Jul 2013 20:28:19
Is it true we have agreed a fee with Chelsea for Rooney?

Sydney!

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Hope so

Brendan81

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Wer you read that syd.

CAIN

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Syd. as I was trying to find full day. it seems united will sell for 35m to 40m price. It looks immimemt. I m wondering why suarez who wants to go. bale who wants to go are priced higher than him. sad

Rodio17

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CO is the source of this rumour I think.

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I heard it this morning and now Caught Offs1de are reporting it. So is there something in it? Just wanted to know if anyone had heard anything similar?

Rodio, if £35m-£40m is true then that's a good price for him. Not ideal selling to a rival, but as long as the cash is used well, then we will plod on like we always do.

Cesc Fabregas & Ronaldo would be nice, I suspect it's just a dream though.

Sydney!

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I hope not Sydney we have a knack of signing striker that have reached there peak! Suppose you will be grateful if we take him off your hands

Cfc mike

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Rodio17

The reason why Suarez and Bale are priced higher than our tubby Wayne is because they are both better players than him

Hughesy

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Co is easily the most unreliable website going can't believe people are so daft

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Never thought of you as a a web site reader syd

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Oh okay, Syd never thought of you as someone who would read such an unreliable website

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01 Aug 2013 00:41:31
Was looking through 442 and saw the headline which was similar to what someone said to me earlier. I checked the timing and their story broke around 6pm. So wondered if anyone had heard anything, thought an editor may have confirmed or denied it. Not sure it's any more than a twitter rumour that has done the rounds today. Although the move is probably inevitable.

Sydney!

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31 Jul 2013 20:12:37
Anyone think ronaldo may be on his way out of Madrid. They're obviously going to spend a ridiculous amount of money on bale. Is that to soften the blow to the fans in some way? Just a theory but seems plausible. What would you think if united was intending spending so much on bale?

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I'd be p*ssed,

Brendan81

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An Ed on another site (about a week ago) said Man City were preparing a bid for Ronaldo, hope it doesn't happen!

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Utd couldn't let city sign Ronaldo, they'd have to bust the bank or everyone would start pointing fingers at the Glazers & the debt.

Ronny would also lose his legend legacy if he went there. I doubt it would happen.

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I'd like to think so too DB! but I couldn't be 100% convinced on the matter at this stage.

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I don't think many would complain if we only signed Cesc & Ronaldo this summer and promoted the youth. We are talking about around £120m outlay if you include extra costs. That seems a lot, but if Rooney's salary is off the wage bill it would make things a little easier. It also means £120m will be split over five years. So £24m a year. So FFPR wouldn't be an issue. If we could get the fees paid in installments it would be very possible. Seems doable if Ronaldo was not too greedy personally. I think it's still a dream right now, but it could get interesting this time next season if he has one year left on his deal.

Sydney!

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I can't see Ronaldo leaving even if they get Bale!theres other players they could sell if they needed to!i mean how many top Galacticos or players have played at madrid at the same time?they will not sell on of the best players in the world in his prime. Maybe next season they will cash in but right now, people in Madrid are swarming into the bernabeu wearing madrid shirts with his name on their backs!and they will get huge Shirt sales with Bale also!And if Ronaldo continues to produce the goals, he will get another bumper deal from them if he wants to continue there, but right now he does!i don't believe all this bulls**t about if Bale goes to Madrid, Ronaldo will return!Eh NO!

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31 Jul 2013 20:06:18
We've signed fellani don't no the fee but we have agreed to sign him trusted source

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Um if it was true then how come it not on a website news a just made up source

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31 Jul 2013 19:56:38
If you know football you will understand this. if Rooney goes to Chelski the deal should include Torres.

Think about it.
Peace

Dolphins Blowhole.

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FFS why.

Don't want Torres.

The answer is simple don't sell him to Chelsea, if we don't want to sell we are in the driving seat but don't sell him to a very big rival.

Abroad, or not at all.

A

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Id prefer Lukaku or Ramires. {Ed004's Note - I'd only take Mata, Oscar or Hazard}

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Really Ed?
Id take ramires, Luiz, Lukaku and Cole from them.

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I would take anyone from Chelski including Cech, Scharzer or Cortois

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31 Jul 2013 19:54:35
Hope DM manages a few signings but still gives the youngones a run, could b a good mix, keep the faith, bigred1

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31 Jul 2013 19:04:01
Not united related but why are madrid spending so much on bale. I would rather prefer buying david silva and sergio aguero with that money. espcly when they have benzema as the lone striker.

sid

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Remember the old Premier League stickers we used to trade in school to put in the booklet?

Remember the shiney ones which kids would go mad for?

Well Real are a bit like the rich kid at school who like to show how rich they are by buying the 'shiney' stickers off poorer kids for lots of money.

They COULD get Silva for much less money but that wouldn't be the same level of showing off now would it.

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Probably because they have ozil, isco and possibly modric to fill the CAM role in there team instead of silva.

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31 Jul 2013 19:07:53
Hi, first time poster, suffering transfer inactivity gloom, like most of you on here.
What if, Bale is Ronaldo's replacement
What if we backed off Thiago in agreement with Bayern, so we can go for Dortmunds no 9.
What if we are going for a centre half (which doesn't make sense) because we are going to trade Vidic (isn't Pepe on the City radar).
What will Madrid do if Ronaldo does leave, they will have Bale, Isco, Benzema, Morata, maybe room for another striker (Rooney)!
What if we leave Everton sweating on Fellaini, until we have another midfielder in place, making us look more relaxed about a purchase, preventing us from being fleeced. Much of this would require a lot of patience as well as an inside track, such as Ronaldo's agent being close to us as we'll as being Garray's agent, not to mention Moyes tie in with Fellaini.
Probably all a load of tosh, but something strange about our inactivity to date.
RMc

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Fellaini has a buyout clause for another couple of weeks. so don't think there will be much negotiating between Everton and United.

Flint

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31 Jul 2013 19:05:04
A great victory over the Glazers today. Thank you Trafford council. They tried to oppose us. But Old Trafford is safe for the mean time

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Its only for 6 months and as old Trafford isn't for sale was a waste of time and effort.

Duncan D trying to get hid usual 15 mins of fame in the press.

The guy never even talks about football players and matches just his next scheme to keep MUST in the news and him in the limelight.

Hes worse than levy!

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Old Trafford was always safe Kloot mate.

Sydney!

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If it is so safe why did the Glazers oppose so strongly then. What do they have planned for OT?

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Tried to post the link to the MEN article on it earlier today, but it hasn't got through (Glazer conspiracy?).

Whether it's only for 6 months, or you feel like it's a waste of time, it's the sentiment that counts. Good on them.

It'll act as a wee reminder to the Glazers, that they can't always get their own way, and that life will be made bloody difficult for them if they ever try any shenanigans.

Some things are more important than who's coming or going this summer.

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Thank goodness. I will sleep tonight now.

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Something like this could lead to fluctuations in the market, the share prices could drop. There is no chance the Glazers would build a new stadium Kloot, would it be a bad thing if they did? Not after naming the Alex Ferguson stand and erecting his statue.

Sydney!

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Did you see the Glazers h. ave appealed against the decision

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Kloot, the Glazers never sold OT or Carrington when they were struggling with £800m of debt (excluding their own personal debt). United are safe now. Financially the club has never been stronger.

Do you know if this court order prevents them from modernising the stadium? For example the South Stand?

Sydney!

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31 Jul 2013 18:17:18
Does anybody out there think that maybe just maybe Moyes is going to try establish a team of players consisting primarily of our own Youth Players. The likes of Januzaj, Lingard, Keane and focus on these kids rather than spending big.
I mean it seems to me that we will go for Cesc again which is great but i'm not too sure we need a striker with 4 good strikers there (providing we keep Wazza) and we are spoiled for choice in defence, possibly with addition of Garay we may see someone like Vidic leave or Jones kept in midfield. Listening to Moyes who talked of the quality of the current squad and Rio who backed him up it may be that we are not going to go for a few players and they are already looking at that situation. Yes we can all argue we need positions strengthened and as its transfer time talk a million names and listen to the media every day with a new story but realistically I think maybe Moyes wants his own group of 'Fergie Fledglings' and may focus on that more so than anything else. After all it is what Utd are trying to achieve all the time. Why not activate Fellainis release clause before the price goes up? How would players like Modric feel being our fallback to Fabregas? Would we really offer huge sums for players now when we haven't before? Players like Lingard, Adnan need a chance and maybe its time to take that chance! Players like Kagawa, Cleverly, Ando, Nani, Young need to prove themselves after a bad last season for them and maybe under a new manager they may seize the opportunity. Just some food for thought, opinions welcome.

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Cesc is not a striker, the furthest forward he plays is CF for Spain occasionally and he doesn't look too comfortable there, his best position is in an advanced midfield role or deep lying playmaker.

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Good post.
I think moyes has used pre season to see what he's got including the youngsters and I have to give him credit for that.
I think the players you mentioned will get a chance and yes i'd love to see them given a chance before spending big money.
I do think we need an established CM now though.
you should leave a name next time mate

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I do apologise gents for leaving my name out, I was logged in but it didn't seem to pop up at the end, the name is RedKen, and please gents I only posted for a genuine intelligent conversation as I have done many times before on this site. i'm not arsed with the bitchy 15yr old ridiculous comments.
RedKen

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Good post
Over the next few seasons the following players will need to be replaced for one reason or another
Rio, Evra, Scholes, Fletcher, Giggs, Young, Anderson
Time may well have also caught up with Vidic.
That means eight new faces for the first team squad.
It would be ideal if we can promote four from the younger players and then purchase four top class players.
The four younger players with the best chance are Keane, Powell, Lingard and Januzaj.
I think we therefore need to buy a CB, LB and two CM's and if we can get them we should try and get them this summer.
Garay, Baines, Fabregas and Kondogbia would be my preferances.

Moyes does need to promote from within but this year should be seen as purely an intergration year for them. If we can sign those four names and then loan out the younger players until christmas then bring them back into fold I really think we will have a great side for next 2/3 years no worries

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Some good points there ken.

iv had a suspicion Moyes might give zaha, lingard, Powell, januzaj and possibly Keane a real chance this year. he's obviously not afraid of promoting young players if he thinks they're ready.

whether he'll play them right out the starting blocks or slowly integrate them remains to be seen but I think a couple may feature heavily right from the off.

as for the existing players you mention, if fergie was still manager, i'd say get rid of the lot apart from kagawa who I'm hoping will get played in his proper position.

however, I think we should give Moyes a season to see if he can get some significant improvement out if them.

imo for his first season Moyes should concentrate on sorting out central midfield, get the team playing the way he wants, bring through the youngsters we're talking about and see what he can do about the underachievers.

that's a lot to take on for a new manager and we may not win anything this year while Moyes works through all this.

personally, I can live with that if I can see that by this time next year we're all creaming ourselves at the teams' prospects for the coming season.

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31 Jul 2013 17:59:39
using common sense the fabregas deal won't happen the fellainiand baines deals are almost done and needed a marchisio or eriksen is possible

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If he wants £20m net per year that would equate to roughly £800k per week.

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31 Jul 2013 18:37:44
Okay no name, whatever you say.

Flint

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How have you come to that conclusion?

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31 Jul 2013 17:46:40
Intresting hearing Ramon Calderon on talks**t on the way home. He seems to think Ronaldo isn't as happy at Madrid as he might make out and that he wants 20m net wages a year meaning Real Madrid would have to pay him 40m.

Surely that has to be him trying to force his way out of Madrid, there's no way Madrid would agree to pay him that much.

He thinks Madrids pursuit of Bale is to make sure there is a replacement for Ronaldo if he leaves. He also thinks that it is only a matter of time before Madrid sign Bale.

This is intriging, maybe just maybe the door to sign Ronaldo has been left open just a crack.

Or at least I can dream.

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I'm dreaming that too Shappy, hope the big Bale transfer well and truly p*sses Ronaldo off :-)

Brendan81

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I'm interested to know, do people think that Ronaldo will automatically end up at United if he leaves?

I'm not sure but I certainly wouldn't jump to that conclusion - the money needed to pull it off would be astronomical.

I've posted above a rumour from an Ed on another page that City were preparing a large bid for him. I hope that doesn't happen though, obviously!

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I know it's not a given if he leaves then he'd be coming here. Its more in hope that we ment so much to him that he'd want to come back.

If it's true that he is demanding 20m after tax from Real madrid then I would expect him to want at least as much if not more to go to someone like PSG. I can't see him going to City, and City certainly wouldn't pay him what he's asking for from Madrid.

He must know that Real Madrid will never pay him what he's asking for, so the only reason to ask for it is to make it clear to Madrid he wants out.

I just hope he wants to come home to the club where he is loved. Rather than the indifference he seems to get from the Madrid fans.

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City wouldn't happen, he would end up here or PSG/Monaco, be very shocked if he went anywhere else.

Brendan81

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The only clubs who could afford him are Madrid, Barca, City, Chelsea, PSG, Monaco, The Russian teams and United. Madrid aren't selling to barca, psg and monaco don't offer real football outside of the CL, neither do the russian teams, he won't go to city, and he won't go to chelsea if mourinho is there. That leaves United. (From my mouth to Ronaldo's ears)

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As I posted the other day, when Ronaldo wanted to have some reassurance and perhaps just words to know the club appreciated him they said nothing. Calderon confirmed he asked about a new contract and they baulked him. Then I muse, he is sitting watching the Madrid love in for Bale and all the compliments and perhaps, just perhaps feels these compliments are made to entice the player in the first place but then there is little appreciation afterwards. He may miss the appreciation of the club and the fans that he was showered with at OT. In management it is called giving positive strokes and if it is only given to entice the player in the first place it can be a bit false. From the outside he seems to have had more praise from Madrid recently but only after declaring he wasn't happy. That is usally too late because once you feel unappreciated it is hard to turn back the clock.
Ronaldo may recognise the glowing tributes to Bale from Madrid (also their fans chanting for Bale to sign apparently) and think he can get that from us and he would, with bells on. Perhaps, they suddenly only now, in Ronaldo's eyes, realise his worth to them so he asks for a ridiculous salary he knows they won't pay. Alternatively is this the sort of salary PSG or City have offered or even more intriguingly Nike as a global ambassador to wear the Nike red kit of United? Time will tell

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31 Jul 2013 17:44:01
City look real class right now. time to pull out the trust in moyes hashtag and brace myself for a disappointing season.
Highs and Lows. United for Life.

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Real class right now?

Good job it's July, titles aren't won in July!

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OK, then let's just hand them the trophy. How are you so sure that it's going to be a disappointing season?

Nicolas_United

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How can they look 'real class' during pre-season?

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Regardless of how well they play, I can't see City keeping the right mentality throughout the season to win it, just like last season. They'll forever be in our shadow!

Ozwald

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31 Jul 2013 22:44:32
Why get in his back? He only said they look class?! Stop being defensive! If it was Barca ot Bayern then you'd agree! Anyone that goes 5-0 up against Milan must be playing well. Yes - city had a stronger side out but still played well! We need to stop the way we treat each other on here! Have a good bit of banter but read your post before its sent! It's no wonder the Ed02 won't respond. Nearly everyone is as bad as each other so let's realise we're all on the same side and respect the fact everyone is entitled to their own opinion! It's called 'banter' for a reason. Not 'bullying'. let's all think before we post because as a group we represent united fans and we are making ourselves look childish and silly! Some may jump on my comments but they're not aimed at everyone! Banter is about disagreeing in a humorous and friendly way! For all you know, the person you are 'slagging' off may sit next to you at OT!

Adz

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Adz,

Who was defensive pal? Every response looks like people's opinions to me.

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Damn right Adz!
RumourNo. 1

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31 Jul 2013 17:15:22
Why are some people saying we need a bruiser? If Moyes wanted a proper bruiser, he'd go for Scotty Parker, or maybe even Joey Barton. The game is not how it was 10 years ago. I'd like to have a Roy Keane in our side, but the game is more technical nowadays and the ability to read the game is much more vital than just lunging in and tackling with one foot in the air. Look at Javi Martinez, Sergio Busquets or Sami Khedira, they don't go and tackle everywhere like Parker, they read the game and all top teams close down the opposition. Sir. Alex realized that long ago which is why when Roy Keane retired he did not buy another bruiser, but a player who could read the game and intercept passes, i. e. Michael Carrick.

Just watch the recent game between Bayern and Dortmund, no one went lunging in but teams the two teams were constantly able to get the ball back from one another when they pressed and closed down.

And the midfielder who would suit us nicely would be someone like Modric, or Fabregas.
Michael Carrick can do all the things he was doing for us all these years, read the game, intercept, be the anchor man and give the ball to a more creative midfielder, previously Scholes, now either of Fabregas or Modric.

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And people might argue that we were dominated in midfield last season even by average teams, so we need a fellaini type player. But, that happened because we invited other teams by letting them play and not constantly pressuring them. But under Moyes, as seen in these pre season friendlies, we've started closing down constantly, the players are working very hard. And if that is to continue throughout the season, we would not need a 'bruiser'.

And I think cleverley would be very important for us next season, because he works very hard, tracks back and most importantly his first touches in and around the box are fantastic. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should rely on him for goals or to win us games, the lad has the shot of a defender, but as a third midfielder, along with Carrick and Modric/Fabregas, he would truly excel.

So, all I am saying is instead of signing Fellaini or any other 'bruiser', we should actually be trying to close down, intercept the play and suffociate the opposition by not letting them play.

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Khedira and busquets play in la liga which other than serie A is the least physical league in europe.
Bayern have luis gustavo who does the dog work and also schweinstieger who ain't afraid to put a tackle in while dorund have sven bender.
I see your point to an extent that the game is more technical now but in the EPL its important to have that strength in midfield simply because its more physical than in europe

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Adey, I agree with you to a certain extent. the great luxury of Roy Keane was that he could do both, be the bruiser and play technical football!
Carrick is very good at spreading the ball with good passes but his defensive abilitys or interceptions aren't great and at 32 years of age he is not the quickest and you wonder what Moyes is going to bring to the table for the future in that position. I think we need a player that can do both be a ball winner and break down the opposition and play nice crisp technical football and I feel Arturo Vidal is the answer but I don think he wants to leave Juventus,

SuperRed

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Roy Keane did a lot more than tackle Adey. He was an excellent technical player, hardly ever put a pass astray or got caught in possession. His workrate and positional sense off the ball was exceptional. He was without doubt the most complete midfielder of his generation. SAF said as much. And when Keane left OT after a row with SAF, Owen Hargreaves became the priority to replace him. The next best thing to Keane, and he was brought in to play along side Carrick. Carrick has evolved into the player he is today through necessity and talent.

But leaving Keane aside, I understand your point. We need someone who can do a bit of everything. And Fabregas is an excellent example of that.

Ryan.

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When carrick was at spurs he played more advanced with michael brown then edgar davids allowing him the freedom to create.
Did SAF not sign liam miller to replace keane?
carrick has been a kind of anchor man out of neccesity really but I agree the days of midfielders diving into tackles are gone but a strong, dominating midfielder is needed

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Adey
Good post, said much the same myself yesterday
Jred

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Why do people always play down Carrick's defensive abilities. He's excellent at winning headers, making interceptions, and breaking up play. That being said, he is getting there age-wise and getting a replacement for him is necessary I think.

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You are totally correct adey. Barca started this a few years back, and all the European big clubs have adopted and improved it.
That is why they are having success. I said sometime ago that we should modernise our tactics, and hopefully Moyes will do that.
Nomidfield

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31 Jul 2013 17:14:32
I can't imagine a third bid is being considered unless the is active encouragement from Fabregas himself. You can understand he doesn't want to put in a transfer request, but he must want to come. Otherwise Moyes would have moved on to plan B by now.

Ryan.

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31 Jul 2013 16:40:03
Barcelona's "not for sale" (Fabregas) means not for sale from their point of view, but is for sale from our's. Our "not for sale" (Rooney) means not for sale from ours but is for sale from Chelsea's! Confused? Don't be, we live in a capitalist world, consequently everything / everybody is for sale if the price is right! We offer enough Fabregas is ours; simples!

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31 Jul 2013 15:37:59
Now xavi is saying that "we'll have to see" on fabregas sitution.
I think we ate drawing closer to the deal.

After all the appealing from various barca players without ay of them stating fab qoutes, now the situation is that he may have told them that he wants to move on.

But I think the situation vl rumble on till deadline which we all don't want.

Now hopefully we can sign a proper ball winning dm like vidal or so because I don't see carrick and fab partnshp working at least in ucl matches.

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Imagine us signing Fabregas and Vidal, along with Carrick and Kagawa you'd have a midfield strong enough to match Bayern's midfield!

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31 Jul 2013 17:20:49
I can't help but think - If Fabregas himself wanted to stay like all of his 'friends and teammates' have said then he would have come out and said it by now either via twitter or to the press in some way.

Ozwald

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Ozwald, I would be extremely happy with that out come!i would be so looking forward to the season ahead!imagine Ronaldo then thrown into the mix aswell,
Somebody just wake me up now 8-)

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31 Jul 2013 15:19:56
I am NOT the biggest fan of Fellaini but let's look at his positives:

- Available for 23 million pounds (assuming we have bid today)
- Decent tackler
- Experienced in Premier League
- Defending Corners as well as scoring them


Also imagine we are in Champions League Knockouts against say Barca and need one goal in the last 10 mins or so to go through, we could really use this guy as a striker and hassle their defence and maybe get a goal out of it.

I know its not the most preferable approach to win a game but nevertheless it gives us an additional option to score.

Having said that let's not forget his primary job would be putting in those tackles in midfield and breaking up opposition plays.

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I would have Djemba Djemba back at this rate!

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I agree MUMBAI, I think he could do a job for us. I wouldn't choose him for the team myself but I'm not a manager. He is big and strong and I know his position necessitates getting your foot stuck in but does no one else think he commits to many fouls?

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His buyout clause doesn't end till August 14th it's papers using crap rumours once again and let's be honest moyes will no fine well when it will end that's why there doesn't seem to be any rush

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As a replacement for Duncan Fletcher he is great.

Tho I hope Fletch makes a come back.

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This buyout clause is pointless, there's are reason no club has matched it yet, and it's that no team will pay that much for him. If we want him, and I think we do, then shouldn't Moyes know exactly what sort of bid Everton will HAVE to take for financial reasons?

I think if we leave Baines and Fellaini until the last few days of the transfer window, we'd get them for £30-35m rather than the £40m+ they'd cost right now.

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EdtheRed, I'd take Tosic or djemba djemba back before I'd have Feilaini, he's poxy!

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31 Jul 2013 14:30:28
So Rooney & Nani are both having meetings with Moyes this week. Just wanting to gauge opinion from posters on here about how you all think they will go? Personally my opinion is this:

- Nani will be told that he is part of Moyes plans and that he has 6 months to cement his place.

- Rooney will be told he is still an important player and is staying regardless of what he wants to do. He will be told to work hard and at the very least give us a good season and then decide on his future. He will also be told its a new slate for him under Moyes.

Personally I would be surprised if both left, could perhaps see one leaving. I really can't help but think about what Nani could become. If we are putting our cash into central midfielders then it would be criminal to let Nani leave as he is better or as good as anyone that is available.

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Cannot see Rooney being allowed to leave, could be a huge mistake. Fairly sure we'll turn down any Chelsea bid even if it hits £40m, Rooney will not sit back and refuse to play with the WC next year.

Only minute chance I see of us selling him will be if we sign Bale or Ronaldo.

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31 Jul 2013 14:28:26
Anyone else impressed with Nani?

It would be easy to do a Rooney and cry about not playing regularly and not being loved and being offered all around europe.
But he doesn't sulk at all, always says he wants to play for United and be at his best and play the best he can.

I for my part am impressed. That's exactly what everyone on here seemingly wants, players commited to United.
Let's hope he finds the form from 2010/11!

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Nani is still by far out best winger, sorry not buying into the "if Valencia gets back in form" everyone says e had that good season but I I remember correctly he was poor for the last couple of months and 1 goal 4 assists from a winger at united last season is really an embarrassment even if your not in form our fullbacks were better going forward. For me I would get rid of Valencia and young before nani. I wouldn't be concerned if we didn't buy any wingers as zaha is better then we thought and had massive potential. I can see lingard breaking in the first team at some point in the season.

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I like Valencia, he seems like the kind of guy you want playing for the club and around the youngsters. I'm not one for sentiment but I say give him another season.

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I posted something like this a couple of days ago. I have a feeling this could be a big season for Nani with a new lease of life under a new manager. He just needs the confidence.

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Ryan - you don't buy the "if Valencia gets back on form" argument, I don't but the "if nani gets back on form" argument. New manager, new lease of life blah blah blah, surely the same can be said of Valencia. In my opinion Valencia off form is better than Nani off form and they both spend a lot of their time off form, so let's just call that their form.
Also I don't believe that lack of confidence is Nani's problem, his problem is his decision making which has barely improved since we bought him.
I think we definitely need a new winger and to make room we need to sell one, I would definitely sell Nani first.

Jaxer

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31 Jul 2013 14:13:20
Any one else worried by the lack of signings?

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Yes, I am, I mean if utd keep this up, I can't come on here and give any stick out, about signing the 3 goals a season lsd- modric, larger small drawf, or big hair fellaini, who couldn't tackle a fish supper.
ps, if bale is worth 85 million, then rooney is worth 25 million, don't you think.

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Judging by what you fools paid Carrol, Rooney is wort well over a 100.

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Jesus Christ shut up will you.

It's embarrassing that a Liverpool fan try's to run united down. You're lightyears from us both on the pitch & off it. Pipe down.

We'll sign well in the next week.

& Fellaini would walk into most midfields in the league. He's quality, the people that says he isn't obviously don't see him play very often.

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Hey lfc, nice try, but guess what. I'd actually sell Rooney to you lot, not for 25 million but still. I wouldn't want to strengthen anyone inside the european places, but Liverpool I'm fine with
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If Andy Carroll is worth 35mil, Rooney is worth 350mil

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Good to see you back after last years embarrassment lfc this year will be your year

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'Feilaini would walk into most midfields in the premier league'haha. that's de most ridicules post I've ever seen on this site! jack in the box!

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31 Jul 2013 13:54:16
from a die hard man u fan.
From personal point of u I don't rate carrick as high as his stats show for the last season. although his passing accuracy is good if he is in form.
he doesn't has legs to run onto players faces when we don't have the ball, many times in the previous seasons in ucl and also in the league I can remember we get battered by the midfielders an pushed out of the games.
even in europa league
against ath. bilbao we were no where.
last season we won the league b because of rvp.
and fergie also knew that.
i don't know why we are so reluctant to add steel to our mid department.
almost every play of ours builds from the back.
after hargereves ( spell ) we havnt signed any enforcer.
some times when forward line doesn't clicks against tough oppositons wathing Man United games were very frustating.

we have kagawa who is very talanted an can raise our game on another level but he needs support behind him from a ball winning dm who can run on people like keanes fletchers etc.

If we don't sign any imposing mid player idont think we can pull the best out of him.
then he vl be shifted to the left.
and then I won't be surprised to see him leaving nxt season.
i can not put the names like this player is good an that our mangment would knw well about that.
but if for a another season if v don't add to our mid for the sake of clevs ando then I would be gutted.

Another point I would lyk to mention that people saying that we are nt able to attract world class players to ot that is bcoz of our poor showings in the ucl in recent seasons and nothing else.

we are Man United nt gunners or klop that we should be sathishfied with only good runs but shuld win it.

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I think SAF was reluctant to spend money due to bad experiences : Veron, Djemba Djemba, Hargreaves etc. When he did sign midfielders they quite often didn't pay off. Under Moyes however that is the only area that we seem to be focusing on. We will add quality in there, we just have to wait and see who that will be and when deals will be completed by.

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31 Jul 2013 13:45:48
So a "premier league team" as mad a bid for Fellaini (apparently). I'm hoping it's us. Steely & tenacious.

Fabregas still to come too IMO.

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It is most likely going to be us or Arsenal. Spurs won't go there, Arsenal have tried and failed so it probably isn't them although that is the most likely scenario. Chelsea have more than enough in the middle, City also. If there has been a bid I would put money on it being us.

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Hey man where have you seen this I've looked but can't see the story anywere? Like some on here I think we could do a lot worse than Fellani (spelling). At this point it will be somewhat of a relief that we are adding a midfielder to the ranks.

Utd Dan

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31 Jul 2013 13:23:35
With Lewandowski's interview saying he felt cheated by Dortmund over his transfer, does anyone think it may be worth a punt trying to buy him if we sell Rooney?

For myself faint heart never f***ed a pig I would risk a quiet punt on him

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He ultimately wants to go to Bayern. He would stay a season, maybe two and join up with them so it is sort of pointless even if he would be good to have for a season.

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31 Jul 2013 13:10:26
I've been all doom and gloom recently. But just walked into the megastore on my lunch and then the chippy around the corner. Seeing our history displayed on the walls and the 2013 season review playing on the tv screen. We are Manchester United, we do what we want. That usually means winning a few things. let's have some faith lads!

Fagan

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Nice post Fagan. It's not all bad when we stop to think about it!

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31 Jul 2013 13:05:55
Moon I saw you were asking about Carlos Fierro. As a matter of fact I've seen the kid play on a couple of occasions but most of what I know about him is from my Mexican mate who's the son of Montpellier's South American scout and he shares his dad's passion for scouting.

Anyhow, physically speaking, he stands at 5ft8 but at 19 years old, he might get taller. He can play either as a striker or a centre forward. He has a good eye for goal, is fast, direct amd a good dribbler. He has good vision and is quite creative. If you keep an eye on him during a match you'd see he's always working hard, making runs and just eager to help the team.

His most important attribute imo is his agility. Not only is he fast and has good stamina, but he can also move easiely with the ball at his feet and create enoiugh space to shoot. On the other hand his shooting is very mediocre and so is his heading ability, but all in all he has a good eye for goal.

Maybe by comparing him to henriquez you'd get a clearer idea. While they share a couple of physical attributes, they are very different players.

Angelo, even if he is small, is quite strong and a good header, Carlos is not. And in terms of finishing, they're not on the same level. Give Angelo a chance and he'd burry it, while carlos is not as much of a finisher as he is a creator. They do complement each other nicely.

All in all if we are to get him I wouldn't be disappointed since he will probably go on to become better than Welbeck and maybe even Chicha, and after a couple of loans you might, just might, see him partnering Henriquez in attack but it's a longshot.

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His goalscoring record seems pretty good for someone with Mediocre finish.

I'll take your word for it though, would you say Henriquez is the better prospect?

From what I've seen Henriquez has been a little bit of a let down, both in the reserves and out on loan.

The Moon.

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31 Jul 2013 19:37:08
My mate Javier has got back to me, and he's saying much the same as what Mick is saying. He thinks he needs ti either stay in Mexico for another year or move to a smaller team where he'll get plenty of playing time.

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Moon his goalscoring record is nothing short of great. He scores often but misses even more. If he improves his finishing he'd be on his way to the top

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31 Jul 2013 13:02:57
fellaini is available for a set fee, if, as a lot on here seem to believe, we are in fact after signing him have we not done so already and integrated him into our team during the tour?
there is surely only two reasons.
1-we are only buying one midfielder and he is a last option (or further down the list)if our prefered options don't pan out.

2-we aren't interested in signing him, I personally don't think we are, I hope i'm wrong and we sign fellaini plus one of fabregas (unlikely) or modric.

interested to see other views.

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I saw somewhere a prem club has made a bid for him last night

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Its a very good point. Why would we not pay the fixed fee and get him inside of a week of Moyes taking over. The flip side is, the release clause ends today. So is Moyes thinking that he can get him for less than the £22 million clause?

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Fresh that's a great point that I did not think off, we are waitin to try and go in cheaper, it is of course very possible, cheers.

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Apparently his release clause doesn't expire until the 14th August

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I'm sure Moyes knows exactly when his release clause ends and wouldn't be stupid enough to miss out on it, if he wants him.

We could of course bid lower than his release cause, whether that is now or when it expires so I'm not sure that is the reason. Although that's just a hunch.

The only reason I would think we'd wait to get him would be that Moyes wants to keep fans happy by signings a more recognised player first? He may fear a backlash if his first signing is from his old club? This is a bit far fetched mind and I would like to think the fans would understand if he was our first signing (though from spending time on this site I know that's not always the case!)

I've never wanted Fellaini that badly but I'm coming around to it slowly. Have to admit, IF we got him plus a more creative CM I would be delighted.

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31 Jul 2013 12:35:21
Hi folks just want to ask if you think fellani is good enough for us firstly. Secondly do you think he would improve us in both the prem and Cl. I think he's good in prem but not sure about Cl. What do you think of the player and what are the chances of him signing.

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I think he would be an excellent signing. The good thing is that he see's himself as a more defensive minded midfielder - he has said this on more than one occasion. I don't think he particularly enjoys playing off the striker. Its just that Everton had a very small squad and he was the best they had there. In terms of EPL he would be great especially in the big games we would play a variation of 4-3-3. We would also play this in a lot of CL matches. He would be perfect in a 3 alongside Carrick and one of Cesc/Modric/Marchisio.

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Seriously there must be a myriad of players that would improve our midfield sadly Fletch may never be what he was, Ando well says it all Clevs "the crab", Giggs hopeless in a midfield of 2 in the centre, writing this I'm even tempted to say Scholes would improve it lol

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Fellaini would be a quality signing for us. A window of him, Fabregas & Baines would be out best window IMO.

I think it's realistic too. Can see it happening.

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31 Jul 2013 12:21:13
If we were ever ready to spend huge money on Lucas or Hazard then it would be a good thing to put that money for buying Draxler. I know he has just signed a contract but a bid of 35m and increasing his present salary should be good enough for the club and player to go with the transfer. Him on the left wing would be a great sight. Definitely worth the money.

Chaman {Ed004's Note - I think the right needs addressed first Kagawa and young are better than Valencia and Zaha ATM IMO}

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Nani & Zaha are good though. I think if both found form we would be on to a winner.

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Ed004.
Do u still want to stand by your word considering valancia's horrible form last season? I don't think this statement justify for zaha who hasn't got chance to prove himself at united. He will definatly prove him worth more.


Rodio17 {Ed004's Note - Currently Kagawa is the best of the lot and Young is second to only Zaha he is better than Valencia on current form}

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Draxler is not moving this summer.
He had offers from Real and many other big players offering him some 10 million euros per year additionally to his current wage.

He wants to play in Brazil and stay at Schalke to make sure he has the best chance to go there and play

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Going to be honest but I thought Young looked too predictable and slow in his small appearance on pre season tour. Nani not only scored two against Crewe but he actually looked sharp and fit. I wonder how much that nasal problem affected his breathing/fitness?

I would love to see Draxler brought in as Nani's replacement but only if Nani doesn't show any signs of his former self by January.

Ozwald

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We can only hope Valencia finds his form. When he's firing on all cylinders you'd see a speeding train skipping past// knocking off players and providing pinpoint crosses in the box.

Only a year ago we were talking about Valencia beeing worldclass and he outshone Carrick and Rooney ( who had scored 27 premier league goals if my memory serves ) and single handedly dragged us back to the top of the league.

If he doesn't regain form this season I'd say he's lost his mojo annd he's not guetting it back.

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I have to agree with FRESH. Let's use Nani on the right pumping the ball in and terrorising fullbacks. We always used to operate wingers but seem to have narrowed our play with people cutting in looking for glory. Nani on the right, Zaha on the left, keep all the strikers. Kagawa linking up with some steel behind. Pump the dosh into these midfielders Mr Moyes, whatever it takes.

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31 Jul 2013 13:23:02
Ed you're assuming nani goes then? i'd play nani right and depending on what happens with Rooney. If he stays him centre Shinji left. If he goes Shinji centre and new signing for left. I think nani will stay. MrE {Ed004's Note - Yes I think it is inevitable that he'll leave though I'd love him to regain his form and become consisten}

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Nani? this will be the same one who averages half a dozen decent games a season?
Been here long enough to make his mark and just hasn't managed it. tbh I don't rate young much but nani?
n no name your idea of him pumping the ball in from the right and terrorising full backs is brilliant until you consider that his crosses generally go out for a goal kick or fail to beat the first man and when he does terrorise a full back he then tries to do it a second time and gets tackled.

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I completely agree with Baby Face. Nani has had more than enough opportunities to impress. The idea of him regularly swinging in crosses which actually meet their targets is complete fantasy, 99% of his corners don't even beat the 1st man and that's dead ball situation. Yes he can occasionally beat his man but it's when he decides to take on another 5 that he loses the ball. I agree that on his day he is one of the best, most exciting players we have but his day is only twice a year.
The amount of people who 3 months ago were saying they wanted him gone but now are saying this could be his season to really shine - I'm going to go out on a limb and say it won't be.
Someone, I think Shappy, further down the page said the reason he hasn't improved as much as he could is because he didn't get enough game time. Wrong, it's the other way round, the reason he wasn't getting much game time is because he wasn't improving at all. Can people honestly say that his end product has improved a significant amount in the 6 or so years that we've had him.
Someone else said they were impressed with him saying he wanted to stay at utd and get in the 1st team rather than being a person like Rooney and whilst this is commendable, it is also the reason we haven't been able to sell him for a decent amount of money the last few years.
Basically - my patience ran out with nani long long ago. 12mil (and I think he could be worth more to the right people) and I would be very happy to sell him.

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Thank god somebody else sees it jaxer!
People on here keep saying how good he is 'on his day' but like you said his day ain't that often and at a club like ours we should have players who have the odd bad game NOT the odd good one!

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31 Jul 2013 12:03:47
Ed can I ask why my last 2 posts have been edited out? I asked if yourselves/anyone/JakeH91 (or his contact in the academy) knew anything about our targets for academy signings and whether the reports that we are/were after Fulhams Patrick Roberts were true? Anyway I'll post it again now, would be great to know.

Thanks
Dan {Ed004's Note - I've only seen one other post from you this morning}

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I remember reading both of them or something exactly the same, so I don't think they were edited out.

REDFAITH

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31 Jul 2013 11:22:17
itv sport have said in the last hour moyes enquiring about Claudio marchisio from juventus. some other web sites say we been scouting him since mid june, dunno how true this is but hope it is because he is a quality CMid any thoughts peeps.
JEB

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Top player who is a more of an advanced midfielder. would be a great link for the carrick and forward lines. will give us 8 to 10 goals and quite a few assists.

Many of us around here are a big fan of him but will be tough to get Juve to let him go. De rossi and him would be fantastic additions if the other targets don't work out and we will win the league with them 2.

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31 Jul 2013 11:16:52
Curious if we don't sign either Cesc or Modric. Who would you guys prefer us to sign out of Fellaini and Cabaye?

Ozwald

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I do not want cabbaye

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It depends,

on one hand we could have Cabaye who is no slouch in the tackle and has a creative force.

In a way, a poor mans Vidal, on the other hand we have Fellaini, a player who could be the foundation of our midfield for years to come.

if i'm honest I would love both of them.

The Moon.

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I do want Cabaye.

Cabaye and Vidal IMO would win us the league and make us very difficult to beat in CL.

Well if we get Baines aswell mind haha

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Fellaini for me.
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31 Jul 2013 10:55:21
A lot of talk about the likes of Fellaini, Cabaye, Fabregas, Gundogan and Modric at the moment. Another name I would add would be Vidal. Personally I don't want Fellaini. The reason being, he can't pass the ball well enough and he can't tackle well enough to compensate for his poor passing. His only main attribute is his heading which is not enough of a reason. I actually really like Cabaye though. He can pass the ball superbly, and he can tackle easily as well as Fellaini, plus he can take great corners and allow RvP to stay in the box. Modric would be great, he can also pass the ball superbly, and has very good shooting, and he also can tackle, though he may be a bit light. Fabregas or Gundogan would be perfect, they can pass the ball better than any other, and again they can both get stuck in and tackle properly, especially Gundogan, although Fabregas can probably dictate the tempo and pass better. Vidal would be perfect, a truly complete footballer. For me, any two of Vidal, Cabaye, Modric, Fabregas and Gundogan would be a perfect summer. Fabregas, Modric, Vidal and Gundogan would all cost £30+ million, so two of them would be unlikely, but Cabaye would likely only be £20 million at the most, so him and one of the other would be reasonable.

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Vidal would likely be 35m and Cabaye about 20m to fully sort our CM out with the sale of Ando for 5-8m we would do it for less than 50m.

It would allow us to play with confidence with and without the ball having a bit of assurance we are not getting walked over in CM with pairings of any two of these and Carrick and to snuff out compact teams all three could play and that is a very, very strong three man midfiled IMO.

If only SAF had me ans Shapps on the scouting team we could have had Vidal for 14m already ;)

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Gilly I understand what you are saying about Fellaini and his passing but last year he was used to lump balls upto him in an inferior side and I fully expect his passing would go well over 80% if he was played i. e. with Carrick and Fabregas or his like especially if played deep

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Pardoe, I agree that Fellaini would do a job, since he can pass to Carrick and maybe Fabregas, and he can tackle very well, but Cabaye and Vidal can both tackle just as well and they can pass the ball superbly themselves.

Jono, I was also of the same opinion when Vidal was at Leverkusen. Juventus may look to sell Vidal as well. Well we can hope.

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31 Jul 2013 10:07:58
I get the feeling that this is going to be a huge 10 days in world football. Internally there will be talks with Nani & Rooney. Hopefully Nani stays and Rooney is finally allowed to leave. Nani still has something to offer us where as Rooney is close to a spent force (at United anyway). We then have the situation at left back which will soon need resolving. Does Moyes keep Evra and use Buttner and Fabio more. Or does he sell Evra and buy Baines - which will probably see one of Buttner of Fabio leave.

Then on the international scene. This Bale deal is going to really cause problems at Madrid I think. He and Ronaldo play in the same position. Or if he plays centrally he knocks either Ozil or Isco out the team and if he plays on the right he knocks out Di Maria and will probably not be as effective. It wouldn't surprise me if Real are more willing to negotiate on Ronaldo when they sign Bale. It could be the nail in the coffin for him - not because Bale is better, but because his replacement has been signed.

We will also have Fabregas future decided, this one should be interesting. It certainly looks as though its Fabregas or Fellaini. Hope it is the former.

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Didn't most of Bale's goals come from him cutting in from the right?

R Madrid's front four could look something like this.

Isco Ozil Bale
Ronaldo

or

Bale Ozil Ronaldo
Benzema

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Fresh, agree on a lot of this, but how can you say that Rooney is a spent force? Do you honestly believe that?
If we sell him, I think these words will come back to haunt you.
He is not a spent force, not by a long way. We will find out the hard way when he goes to Cheslea and they wi the league easily.
I hope the club and Moyes in particular, finally see sense and agree a deal with him.
If he was a spent force, will Mourinho want him in his side? Think about that for a second.
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Nomidfield

totally agree that he is far from a spent force BUT I personally don't like his attitude of thinking he has a god given right to play regardless of form and I wouldn't be bothered if he left.
I just don't see his heart set staying with us and its no good having a player like that around. i'm sure if he gets his own way again and a bumper new contract he'l be happy though, if not he'l start demanding to leave knowing chelsea will pay him what he wants

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31 Jul 2013 09:59:35
I can't believe some posters are saying let's offer kagawa in a part exchange for gundogan? Kagawa for me is absolute class, I think he's going to have a great season this year if he's played in the hole. I would be gutted if he left.

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Quality player that will only improve. I hope he remains here for many years.

Sydney!

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I wouldn't even contemplate selling Kags.

We just need more players on his wavelength and we will see the best of him.

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Fully agree.

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31 Jul 2013 09:47:29
Today is Fellaini day. I will be very surprised
if we don't make a move today for £22m.
Everton could be lining up his replacement
in Joey Barton. I don't mean a game winning
replacement I was thinking a tough tackling
replacement. Fellaini would do a good job
us and can mix it with any team who wants
to. Pepe Ramos Pique Masherano Puyol all
quality but if asked can rough up any team
Fellaini is no different.
So come on Utd get it done!!

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Yes, interesting all the rumours in the press surface again now his clause is about to end. Personally I say see Garay, see Strootman and don't believe what you read in the press as I don't think we will make a move at all for the player
Invisible STuey

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Stuey, both Garay and Strootman were SAF targets. It's not media invention.

Sydney!

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Dm will know when the Fellaini
clause is up and will act when
needed which points to today
or at latest tomorrow. Will be
disappointed if he goes elsewhere

Bfro

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31 Jul 2013 09:21:07
does anyone know if rio's testimonial is live on mutv or is it on sly sports?

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Its live on BT sport.

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31 Jul 2013 09:05:11
It's not that I don't rate Fellaini, but he isn't good enough to be a guaranteed starter in CM, which is what we need and what Cesc offers. He would however be very useful if we added two CMs in a certain role. All preseason, as we did much of last season, we generated little when the ball was cleared long or the keeper cleared it upfield. RVP is decent at ball retention, but Fellaini is one of the best in the world at this, and he could be quite useful in a cold wintry day at Stoke where he can bring down long balls for RVP/Rooney/Kagawa. I'd be thrilled with an elite CM and Fellaini, I would not be satisfied if he's the "solution" at CM next to carrick as he's not the most technical player or the greatest passer, which is why I don't rate Phil Jones in CM either, as he's best at CB despite his ability to fill in when needed.

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KG surely 1 midfielder has never been the answer no matter who it is we are in dire need of 2 midfielders one with bit and i. e. a Fabregas 1 will be useless

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If Fellaini is signed I'd think it would be with another CM. someone more creative with flair.

Fabregas saga isn't finished yet.

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31 Jul 2013 08:58:31
United supposedly making a final 40mil bid for Fabregas according to MEN and others. Doubt it's true, or that Barca will accept, but I for one am fine paying that amount for a player that fits our need so perfectly, and is such a rare player in his role. If Bale is worth 80-100, 40mil for fabregas could be a bargain. I'll daydream over the thought of Carrick/Fabregas-Rooney/Kagawa/Zaha-RVP to get thru work today.

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If true I suspect the bid will be made today sometime.

£40m will be difficult for Barcelona to reject. We will see.

Sydney!

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Bale 80 million is all bs imo and no way Real will pay that for him. It is not even close to what he is worth and they are not madmen running Real.

Anyone ever think they are using Bale as a means of applying pressure on CR07 to sign a new deal?

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I was thinking that myself Shahram but also there is some truth in that maybe for next season Bale will be available for them. They have spent loads already and I cannot see an outlay of 85m on top.

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RM do not mind overpaying for Bale as they will make that money back in merchandise like they did with Ronaldo. They also pay in installments and that is probably why Spurs are playing hardball. They still owe money for Modric, what good is £85m to Spurs if it comes in dribs and drabs and they want to go out and spend cash themselves. I think he would be gone already had the cash been offered in a lump sum.

Sydney!

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31 Jul 2013 08:36:03
I don't quite get why people seem to think we need another playmaker in midfield. That was not our problem last season. Carrick made more forward passes than any other midfielder in the premier league last season, he also made more passes than any other player in total.

Carrick is a deeplying playmaker, who sits and dictates the play from deep.

Kagawa is a more traditional No. 10 playmaker, linking the play in the final third making assists and scoring goals.

So we had two central playmakers, we don't need a third.

Our problem was the poor form of our wingers made us have to try and play through the middle more often, this made us predictable and made it easier to defend against us. If we had even one winger on form last year we would have been devastating to play against, as it is we top scored in the league even with our wingers out of form.

If we need more creation in the team then it is from a wider position we need it from.

What was our problem last season was our leaky defence, we had several injuries to defenders. Along with Patrice "i don't run back to defend" Evra. Ment our defence wasn't as solid as it normally is. This wouldn't have been so much a problem if our midfield shielded our defence well enough. Its a telling fact that no team in the top half of the league conceeded even half as many long range shots on goal last season. Where was the midfield who is supposed to close those shots down and stop the attacker getting that close?

Answer is we don't have one. How many times did you see our midfield get over run last season? Most of the opposition attacks started from a central position inside our own half. That isn't acceptable for a team challenging for honours.

So what we need to solve the issues we had from last season is a midfielder who will help shield the defence meaning we conceed less goals, it will also mean we have more possession which gives us the base on which to launch more attacks. We need a LB who will still be attacking but won't neglected his defensive duties. And after that another creative wide player would be a nice added bonus.

If it was down to me i'd sign Schneiderlin, Moreno and Koke.

Adding another couple of Spanish lads will only help to keep DDG happy and settled and will help the two new lads settle.

Bringing in Moreno will allow us to keep Evra one more season to help the transition form Sir Alex to Moyes. We can loan out Buttner so he can get the game time he needs to improve.

Schneiderlin was the best DM in the premier league last season, he also wouldn't cost half as much as some other options and wouldn't have a problem settling in and adjusting.

Koke is one of the best young prospects in the world atm imo. And his versatility means he can play as a deeplying playmaker, as a box to box midfielder, as a central attacking midfielder or as a wide player. Long term he would replace Carrick in the middle but in the short term i'd play him on the right of the three attacking players in a 4231 formation.

That would see us line up: DDG, Rafael, Evans, Vidic, Moreno, Schneiderlin, Carrick, Koke, Kagawa, Zaha, RvP.

Koke has and excellent cross, but is a much more rounded player than someone like Valencia, he is also much better at keeping possession.

Schneiderlin will release Carrick to concentrate more on his playmaking duties, he'll also make us much more solid through the middle.

Kagawa plays in his best position, with Zaha adding that direct running and unpredictability.

Also playing a 4231 means less up heaval and easy to change tactics while Moyes settles in.

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Glad your not in charge of our transfers shappy. Carrick may have made more forward passes than anyone but let's be frank he's not on the same level as Fabregas. Agree on LB. But we should be looking to being in Fabregas or a player of the same ilk, and another CM to sit with Carrick. Someone like Fellaini or Marchisio or Vidal to do the dirty work. Carrick can play the deeper role too and protect. Let Fabregas, kagawa and zaha cause havoc in front of them

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Now Thiago not happened, Koke for me is the ideal signing in terms of age, talent and what he can bring to the team. I can see a touch of the Gattuso/Keane about him passion and engine wise, as well as good technique. Thought he was excellent in the U21s but not noticed so much due to the displays of Thiago and Illaremndi beside him who have of coursed made major moves. As you say he is very versatile as well. I have been surprised not to see his name mentioned far more on forums or by the press as a target. There was supposd interest in him last year from us. Not seen anything this year but in terms of a realistic signing and his age and potential, he may not be the best or most talented option, but he seems the most suitable for me, sadly doesn't appear like there is any interest from Moyes so far
Invisble STuey

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31 Jul 2013 11:58:45
Hughesy, if we are to sign two midfielders an AM and a DM then how are you going to set up the team?

I've said about signing Koke who will add a creative link but he would fit into our team better.

Carrick needs a more defensive player alongside him.

Fabregas looks increasing less likely, so who would you turn to then? And how would you set up the team?

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Shapps

My biggest criticism of Carrick (and not entirely his fault) is his crumbling under pressure when on the ball. He can pick a pass up there with the best of them when in a few yards space but with Clevs next to him offering no get out ball he is forced to turn and head back. I would be interested to see where the stat is for the forward passing mate. Our CM last year was pretty non existant especially after the change in tactics and breaks were where the most goals came from. We should be (with a stronger centre) imposing on teams especially at home and that only starts with a stong combatitive core which we are missing.

I fully agree 4-2-3-1 is the way forward but unlike us previously instead of width I would make it a narrower 3 and make the whole team far more compact. A three of Kags, Fab and Zaha or Toni, Nani (pft!), etc is good to stretch and confuse defenses and allow for CMers like Carrick and Cabaye or Modric etc to get the space to use the skills and free up space to create just like Barca do.

Now I am far from saying 4-2-3-1 will have us playing like Barca but the fundimental purpose of the mobility of the front 4 is to cause havoc with the ball and movement and press when wothout it so the CM two can pushup and consolidate the pressure in the opposition half and the width created by Rafa and Baines ;)

IMO it has to be the formation adopted and a new man in charge is the perfect time to do it.

Not entirely sure on Schneiderlin though big step from championship to Utd in 2 years but I won't knock him as he did stand out allot especially under Pinnochio ;)

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Shappy has finally lost it

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31 Jul 2013 15:54:10
Actually no name I think you'll find I never had it. But if you have it I think they'll give you a cream at the gum clinic to clear it up. Lol.

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31 Jul 2013 08:20:05
At this rate guys I'd take fellaini and/ or cabaye, I don't think a third bid for cesc is the right move. It seems quite clear that he will be staying at Barca for at least this season, maybe next year it could happen which is a shame because I believe him now. The only slight plus from our lack of activity in my eyes is that Powell, Januzaj, Lingard and zaha will get more game time and I'm excited by them. So when anyone says the future doesn't look bright I'm afraid they are wrong, our youths are capable of stepping up.

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31 Jul 2013 07:35:19
I think its time we learnt from real Madrid on how to sign a player who is not for sale.

if they manage to sign bale it will be a masterclass

its not pretty but it gets the job done.

utd should take note

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I'd rather us not sign a single player from now until the end of time than us act like that lot.

It's disgusting the way they blatantly tap players us through the media.

Zidane is a disgrace. We're United & I wouldn't change it for the world.

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Hmmm, and pay possibly around £85 million?
Cracking a nut with a sledgehammer. Madrid will be doomed by financial troubles soon if not already.

Supasub

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I don't think its a masterclass. Pay 125 million euros for a player that is worth £50 million max?

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What? pay 85 million pounds because the player had one good season?.

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31 Jul 2013 07:15:54
A lot of people now mentioning modric as an alternative to fabregas but I really don't see us signing more than one midfielder undortunately so if that's the case it would have to be fellaini for me.
not a skillful, creative midfielder that we also need IMO but more of a neccesity.
modric is a good player but is he going to stop us being bullied and overrun in midfield like we did many times last season? i'd say no chance.
fellaini is obviously not your silky smooth footballer but he's also nowhere near as bad as some people on here seem to think. Hopefully it'l be fellaini plus another but if only one midfielder is bought then apart from vidal or the benders it has to be fellaini I think.
we need strength in midfield

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31 Jul 2013 02:50:21
Can some one please tell me how it is we talk so freely about Fellaini. As if he is joining us when we wave the magic wand. there has been no offer made, his fee is about to double, and Moyes hasn't said once we are interested. Now, I feel he is exactly what we need and would free up our more creative players to move about with protection. He would marshall the midfield just in front of the back four. let Carrick have more freedom and so forth. 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-3-2. Fellaini, Carrick, Kagawa, Nani, Rooney, RVP is solid. Maybe not on all fronts but enough to battle for top spot in the EPL.

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Totally agree with first part of your post. All this talk due to press stories with his clause even though there isn't even any evidence we are interested, which I don't actually think we are. Personal opinion is although he is a better player than many give him credit for, he isn't the right paleyr for us at all and there are many better options, but all opinion anyway
Invisible STuey

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31 Jul 2013 01:59:56
has anybody ever heard of a mexican lad named Carlos Fierro?

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I got told to keep an eye out for him over the next year.

My mate is hell bent he'll be playing in Europe next summer and will probably move before the WC, if he moves after it could be for a big fee.

I thought I would look him up and once I got past the pages of Football Manager links I found some interesting goal scoring stats;

Guadalajara - 37 games - 26 goals.
Mexico U17 - 7 caps - 7 goals.
Mexico U20 - 2 caps - 3 goals.

The added bonus, He's just had his 19th birthday!

I'm hoping someone like Shappy or Mick could enlighten me on this guy.

I would happily take a punt on this guy at anything under £7M or so.

We don't exactly need forwards, but if it was up to me I'd sell Rooney and Welbeck, Loan Henriquez and Will Keane.

bring in Fierro and see how he does.

P. S - has anybody heard about Henriquez apparently feeling homesick and wanting to leave?

The Moon.

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I went Mexico earlier this year and caught a few games on tv. He seemed really good in the few matches I saw, still young and learning, but he seemed to have more to his game than Hernandez or Henriquez. The potential is definitely there. I also read something about AC wanting him but not sure how reliable the source was.
Basically definitely worth a punt, especially if Hernandez has some sort of pull over him

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31 Jul 2013 07:43:03
I've heard of him and have also been told he is one to look out for, but watching mexican football is tricky. So I'm unable to give you much info. What I can do though is I can ask my argentine mate if he know's much about him, he follows a lot of south and central american football looking out for little gems. He's a huge River Plate fan and they buy up a lot of these young players so he likes to try and be abit ahead of the curve. Also living in Buenos Aries makes it much easier to see these types of games. It will take me awhile though to get a reply from him because of the time zone difference.

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A must sign on football manager that's all I know!

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Yes Caolan, Moons mate has been playing foortball manager ;)
Invisble STuey

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A lot of my friends do actually play Football Manager!

although I don't think any of them have ever based a decision on a game haha.

He looks brilliant, I watched some YouTube clips of him last night and he seems very, very talented. although on YouTube Freddy Adu can seem talented.

It's good to see the lad has potential. I shall keep my eye out for him in future, I'll try and catch a few Mexican games next season.

The Moon.

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31 Jul 2013 01:13:05
Some people have posted that Vidic could be sold or offered in part exchange for fabregas etc. I think this would be a huge mistake as he is the only player in our squad at the moment who can throw himself about, protect those around him and tackle hard. This in turn inspires everyone else.
We should keep him and try to get more like him. that's why Fellani would be a good buy, an enforcer (though not my first choice) as it gives us a tough spine through the middle. We have enough of nice clean footballers, now is the time to add a bit of steel to the ranks.

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Vidic will not be going out in any sort of deal mate,

There's no need to sell him to barca for fabregas we have the money and have no reason to get rid of our captain

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If it meant getting Fabregas I would sell Vidic in a heart beat.
Vidic is coming to the end of his career and becoming more and more injury prone.
We have lots of options in that area with Smalling, Evans,. Ferdinand and Jones.

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Vidic will not be sold he is the heart of our defence and our Captain. Complete bs if you ask me.

Shahram

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31 Jul 2013 00:33:58
Seen a rumour lads
May well just be a rumour but, united manager moyes is keen on bringing in German international mart hummels.

Top quality defender young and could well solid up our shaken defence

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He's such a bad defender.

People talk about Luiz being all over the place, I haven't seen a more over-rated CB since Pique signed for Barcelona.

If we're getting any CB from Dortmund it has to Subotic, a real old fashioned hard hitting CB.

Although, with that said I would quite like to see Shawcross come in.

How he's not in the England squad I'll never know. Much better than Cahill and Lescott.

The Moon. {Ed007's Note - I'm totally with you about Subotic.I like my CBs to have that wild, maniacal glint in their eye. I will admit that I do rate Shawcross as well. Is Smalling going to make it at Utd?}

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Great defender but think I'd prefer subitic

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If rio and vidic are our first choice centre back

Then our back ups are better than shawcross, jones and Evans have come on leaps and bounds and everybody know these two hard bright futures, I always believe smalling has the potential to a great centre back, shawcross is very good just not united good

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Bond,

I'm the same, I don't care about my CBs hitting lovely 40 yard passes I want to know how many teeth they knock out of the forwards head he beats him in the air!

As for Smalling, I have my concerns, he's lost a year of progress and with Evans making even more of a case this year and jones being something special I struggle to see where he will fit in.

I would love him to succeed, but I think he'll either end up like O'shea and Brown or he'll be sold on to a top 8 club.

The Moon.

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Shawcross? I think you two are serious as well.

everything if seen from smalling suggests he will develop into an excellent centre half. he's only very young for his position, most of the time he's been played out of position and he's had a few injuries which haven't helped.

I see smalling and Jones as utds future centre half pairing. I think they compliment each other like Rio and vidic.

smalling might benefit from a premiership loan for a season perhaps back to Fulham where I reckon he would get a good run of games

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Ed007 - The season before last I thought This kid Smalling could have become a legend and one of the very best in the world in his position but last season with injuries when he was fit he was all over the place, he just seems to be really shaky. I hope it was lack of game time and confidence but I am

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We should sign Kurt Zouma from
St Ettienne. Total beast and only 19-20

Bfro

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31 Jul 2013 07:52:47
I agree Hummels does tend to lose track of the play every now and then, and he doesn't cope as welk as he should when things get physical. Subotic is the much better defender, plus he already speaks english from his time in america so he'll have no problem settling in. Also we have several ball playing centre backs already, we do need another physical beast.

I also rate Shawcross very highly, the only thing imo that would work against him is his lack of european experiance. I think he would be alittle niave in his first season or two in the champions league until he got used to playing the european style of football.

And I certainly think Smalling will make it, he's just come off of a tough year injury wise. But he has all the attributes needed, he just needs game time now to regain some form and match sharpness. Considering our strength and depth at CB and the possibility of us signing another CB I would look at the idea of loaning Smalling out for a season.

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Smalling has got to stay, he has so much to offer. I think he'll be awesome for us. Let's hope he back on it this year.

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Personally I would prefer Subotic, like the Ed, I prefer a CB that will kill the opponent if he can't tackle him. Hummels is a very good player, but a less consistent defender, whereas Subotic is a superb and consistent defender and still very young.

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Agreeing with what Andrew said. Smalling is quality, especially when he was given a consistent run of games before he got injured. He's probably our tallest player, strong only going to build more muscle and he can pass well not to mention he's pretty quick. He's like a young Rio. I believe Smalling and Jones will be a fantastic partnership, for United and England. They have different strengths which is why it'd work.

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Hummels also speaks English aswell.
DHK

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31 Jul 2013 00:18:37
I personally don't understand why we don't go in for a young forward and take a small gamble, I mean what's the worst that could happen?
By this I don't mean someone who would be obscenely expensive like a Neymar but someone even younger like Bruma or 'the new Neymar' Neilton. We could get BOTH for £7m! That's daylight robbery if you ask me
I understand they'd need time to adapt and they could become homesick very quickly but if we included them somewhat sporadically in the first season like we probably will with Zaha then they really could evolve into a world class talent plus we could get them before their price tags inflate by ridiculous proportions in the foreseeable future
We really need a versatile attacker and taking a gamble on one of the names I mentioned or even both would be such a great idea as they could offer great strength in depth to our already-promising youth system

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Interesting thoughts there, something a bit different. I don't know much about either player so wouldn't want to comment but it would seem a sensible thing to do and hope they turn into top players.

One thing I would say is from watching zaha on the tour I have a feeling he is going to play a lot more than 'sporadically'. I would expect him to start at wembley in the community shield and show the world what he can do.

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I love it "the be neymar", wouldn't we be better off going for the whoever " new Neilton" is?

Supasub

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I said before Zaha joined that I think he'll surprise a few people. Watched him a lot last season it definitely wasn't luck that won him best player in the championship.

Aren't Chelsea supposed to be fairly interested in Bruma who's stupidly tagged 'the new Ronaldo' god I hate it when people say that. haha.

Ozwald

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31 Jul 2013 08:03:41
The problem with young talent is that they needed to be played a lot so they can learn and grow and fullfil that potential. Ronaldo wouldn't have become the player he did if it wasn't for him playing every week with us from the age of 18. If he spent the first three years getting 10-15 apperances a season then he wouldn't be half the player he is now because we would have choked his growth at a key stage of his development.

Zaha will only fullfill his potential if we play him nearly every week so he can make the mistakes he needs to so he can learn from them and grow and become a better player.

If we signed someone like Bruma then he will need to play most of the time also, then we would have two inexperianced young players playing most of the time. This would probably be to our detriment. Ask Arsenal fans, if you have too many young talents in the team then you don't have enough players already top talents to win you titles and cups.

Look at what happened to Nani because we choked his development, he is stilk a very good player but his decision making is awful because he wasn't given enough games at a young age to learn about decision making, now its too late in his development for him to learn it. So we are left with a very talented but sporadic performances from him.

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31 Jul 2013 11:12:23
Shappy
Perhaps you're correct but we also need a LW/forward regardless of who leaves and I think a Neilton would be a fantastic buy and if we played him and Zaha 20-25 a season then we could be some force going forward in the future
I think this is a great alternative to spending �60m+ on a Ronaldo/Bale

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I think spurs had a £7 mil bid rejected for neilton earlier on in the window.


Cork city red!

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