Manchester United Banter Archive May 31 2014

31 May 2014 23:12:44
I think united.will get fabregas
I myself don't rate him that.higly. Edd001 summed him ip perfectly for me if he can recomment when he has a chance.
However he will improve uniteds dire midfield.

I don't think so and believe we will get Vidal before the end of the summer.

Gcu vidal?
I think.your stretching it a bit, barca and madrid.have hot interest in vidal.

Big Al

The summer is long :)

31 May 2014 19:13:05
if we are in for Miranda from atleti, he's old? i'd rather toby alderweireld!

I doubt we are in for Miranda.

Well an experienced CB would be good seeing as Vidic and Rio have gone

I hear she's working on the next series but she would certainly improve the team.

01 Jun 2014 10:09:33
She's a big girl, she'd be like Vidic clearing all the high balls thrown into the box.

31 May 2014 18:34:20
sorry to bother you guys (quite in depth) sorry! BUT one has a questions for you edds?

'x' player is at 'x' club and has a release clause of 'x' amount? another club comes in (cause they want this player) activates the release clause plus some more, BUT the 'player' doesn't want to move BUT the club also the wishes to sell because of the good offer? how does this effect both parties? does the player HAVE to go because its in his contract with the release clause and the club need/want the money? i'm confused.com??

cheers guys, scott.

A club cannot force a player to join another club if they do not want to move. But clubs like RM know how to get their own way.

I believe the player must want a move. The move cannot be forced to the player.

31 May 2014 17:46:16
Eds

Do you believe we have a realistic chance off signing cesc fabregas? Just want an opinion from
The best.

{Ed004's Note - There is a chance though unfortunately I think it is very slim}

Barcelona are making noises regarding Aguero, so I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of swap plus cash deal for Cesc.

If City are Interested we don't stand a Hope IMO, City probably will take him just to rub our faces in it

Would City need fabregas? With yaya leaving I suppose it's a big possibility. But with the like off mata de gea rvp surly they could talk to fabregas on our behalf

I just can't see us getting Cesc. If he goes for the money it will be City, if he goes for sentiment it will be back to Arsene.

We'd have to convince him to buy into our rebuilding project, and even most United supporters have yet to be convinced that the club is willing to spend what is needed to get us back challenging for titles. City can offer immediate success and a shot at Europe. Arsenal can offer comfort, familiarity, and a big confidence boost. All we can offer is the prospect of success further down the road.

31 May 2014 13:02:43
GDS2, you asked earlier if I'd be happy if Liverpool buy Moreno, Lambert and Lallana. I'd be extremely happy, we haven't had a good left back for what 6 years? since Riise left, Lallana will be a great addition, he can play many roles and he'll fit our philosophy, as for Lambert who would you rather have on your bench Lambert or Aspas?

Anyway these won't be our only additions, Ed02 has said we've enquired about Hector Moreno, Lovren and Caulker, so we're clearly showing intent at bring in 1-2 CB's, Ed001 has mentioned we've had a look at a few goalkeepers, so we may see a new one and we've also been looking at a few left wingers.

Would you be happy with Indi, Shaw, Clasie and Depay? (constructive replys, no rants).

{Ed004's Note - I don't think I'd be happy with them four. Only Shaw of them IMO looks likely to be world class}

I don't think Liverpool should be replacing players. I think you need to add players.

I wouldn't mind Indi and Shaw. But LvG will know best and if he wanted Clasie and Depay, then who are we to question it. He works with them and knows their qualities.

Personally I would be happy with that. Although there's a 'lack' of superstar names I wouldn't be angry if they were our only signings.

Indi - Is a very good centre back.
Shaw - Well he has the potential to be a great.
Clasie - He's always been raved about on here and has the potential to be a terrific midfielder.
Depay - He's no Bale or Pedro but he's very good on the ball, very direct and very quick so, yeah I'd be happy with him as well.

My only concern would me that we're only bringing in 1 Central Midfielder.

I'd want to see someone like Carvalho or perhaps even Song come in as well.

Just for a little reinforcement. But if we were to sign Clasie only and then bring in Strootman next summer or January then I'm more than happy with that.

It allows Powell/Cleverley/Anderson to try and gain some form before they're moved on.

{Ed004's Note - I do not rate Clasie highly at all. I could understand Indi instead of Hummels but always thought we should sign Garay, Shaw will be a future great. Clasie just isn't good enough imo. Would just show IMO we can't get our top midfield targets such as fabregas, kroos etc and I'm undecided on Depay. He would certain offer more than our current wingers. Indi, Shaw and Depay along with two midfielders or real quality would be very good (Fabregas/Koke/Kroos and Carvalho/Vidal etc)}

Personally I think Lambert is a good bit of business at the prices being bandied about, not entirely sure about Lallana but time will tell I suppose.
Mereno is a good player and a vast improvement on what you have atm. As for the 4 you have put forward for us I would be more than happy with them as long as we got in a couple of recognised experienced talented players to complement them.

I do largely agree ed. Indi for me is more like Stam who was a huge success. I think Koke and Strootman would be one of the best pairings. Full of energy, drive and some good passing range.

Ed, For me Clasie is as good as Veratti. but because he plays in a less covered league he very rarely gets a mention.

IF we do sign him though we will need a Carvalho next to him.

I didn't ask if you were happy I asked if you felt they would improve you enough to compete in all 4 competitions?

The 4 players you listed would be decent but I think we would need another top centre midfielder to go alongside them to be honest.

I think the difference between united and Liverpool is that uniteds current players can't be as bad as last season, under a new more respected manager there is a great chance they will improve. Liverpool on the other hand had a great season, their players were full of confidence, playing week in week out and performing at a high standard. Can them current players continue at that level with champions league to contend with.

Also the expectation at Liverpool is higher now, the fans will be expecting a title push next season, whereas united fans will be happy if we can get back in the champions league and improve again next summer.

Got to agree with ed about claise. wouldn't be an improvement on what he currently have. Very similar to cleverley and look at the abuse he gets. Claise is another average midfielder who doesn't score or assist enough

GDS2, of course they can, people make UCL sound worse than it is, it's only an extra 6 games before December and an extra 7 after December, so it's only 13 extra games (that's if we make the final), Brendan will also most likely play a lot of our youngsters in the League and FA cup, so yes I do think it'll be enough, I think we'll cope fine.

Plymouth what it means is potentially 13 weeks of playing twice in one week as opposed to 13 weeks of playing just once like last season. Gerrard will not be able to play so many games and injuries will be crazy. It makes a massive difference.

Guess that says it all about your lack of recent experience in the champions league. It makes a huge huge difference especially to older players. They aren't just 6 random games they are 6 games that players need to step up in and prove themselves, leaving tired legs for weekend games.

Then try fitting in three games in eight days. Liverpool looked shattered towards the end of the season last season.

31 May 2014 20:48:43
Sydney

We need to add players, No doubt, But Its the same title we have won 5 times, We are not entering CL for the first time like Spurs or Everton, that we crumble under pressure.
But I got your point.

31 May 2014 10:53:41
Moreno or Shaw? Which would be the better player in the long term?

Shaw, but Moreno is probably better now. Both good players though.

Cant say I've seen much of the other fella but luke shaw in my opinion has the potential to be the best leftback on the planet. the kid has all the tools

Shaw would be the best

That depends massively on the system and the league they're playing in IMO.

Moreno for example is very similar to Marcelo, absolutely incredible going forward but has a little work to do defensively.

Moreno would also be better in a narrow system, like the modern 4-2-3-1 with inverted wingers of a 4-4-2 diamond.

Shaw on the other hand is very similar to (although a RB) Zabaleta, very physical, relatively quick, still offers a lot going forward, is very good defensively.

I actually think Shaw is currently the better of the two, and I think he will end up being the better of the two however, if Moreno moves to Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, etc. then eventually he'll be known as the best LB on the planet - even though hhe perhaps won't be.

31 May 2014 03:09:51
We have all seen the post by P1nk Man Floyd, Which is spot on. Everbody takes Scholesy's slating of players as gospel because he is still connected to Man Utd. Then when Roy Keane talks ill of anyone its down to a grudge he has with SAF.

I.M.O both of them are spot on and yes Roy does have a grudge but LBH he was the backbone of UTD and many players flourished around him. I am an Irish man myself and when Roy left saipan it divided a country. He walked out to OT to flags with Keane adored in Manchester etc. Roy retired from international games as requested by SAF to prolong his MU career. I was at the Ireland Vs France game when he returned to the Irish Team and he won MOTM with a sublime performance against 3 great midfielders which brought memories of Turin flooding back. I believe Roy wanted to finish his career at Utd, I stand by his criticism of the players just as much as he did against the F.A.I. and does Gary Neville speak highly of Roy? I mean we all know what he did for GN in the tunnel against Arsenal.

So let's start a debate on 2 of the best CM to play for UTD.
If you could have either player at the peak of their career in the shirt Of Manchester United this Season! Who would you choose and Why?

PS - a man who could pass the ball through a pin and find a player in a crowd. A man regarded by many greats as the best CM player of their generation.

or

RK - A man who led by example and expected from himself what he wanted from his team mates. A man who was out of the biggest stage in his life. pulled up his socks and dragged Utd to the final

Vote Now - My vote is RK. We have lacked his leadership for almost a decade and not found anyone to fill his big shoes.

With the right attitude players like Vidal can do more than Roy Keane ever did. Last season we needed a RK kind of player. Going forward we need a Scholes. I'd take Scholes over Keane without a second thought

Roy Keane without a doubt. Scholes was a top, top player .But what we currently lack is a leader on the pitch. Roy Keane has been badly missed since he left the club, and we have never replaced him. I posted earlier that I can't think of a player currently is world football that is the equal of Roy Keane in terms of commitment and leadership.
He was THE man for that.

Paul Scholes. Easily the greatest midfielder to walk out at OT

Rk, never gave less than 100%, he would put in a crunching tackle in the 93 minute of a game, a legend and he still loves united, best of luck to him if he gets the Celtic job, the thing people don't get about him is his honesty, he doesn't waffle like other pundits just straight out with what he has to say.and by all accounts u couldn't talk to a nicer fellA

I would say both speak honestly and it is good to hear. Doesn't mean they are always right though. Scholes speaks well and it's funny that now he has retired you can't shut him up. May make a good manager, but there are lots of great players who have been poor managers, in fact very few great players go on to be great managers.
Keane also does obviously have an agenda with Manchester United and SAF. Have to bare that in mind when he speaks about the club.

We have never replaced keane, but since he left won 5 prem leagues, 1 champs league, 2 carling cups and 5 charity shields. Scholes retires we finish 7th. Keane was an unbelievable player for us but can be easily replaced, you very rarely get a player like paul scholes

Keane is a local legend. His drive, passion and leadership qualities are virtually unrivaled in world football, especially at this day and age.

But Scholes is a different beast all together. When it comes to sheer football ability, they're not in the same league.

Scholes goes down as one of the best midfielders in the history of the country, maybe even world football. He commands the utmost respect from opposition and fans alike.

Comparing Scholes to keane is like comparing Xavi to Vidal. Vidal is a leader, all about power and drive, but he never was, nor will he ever be, in the same class as Xavi.

Keane is in the Vidal/ Schweinsteiger/ Toure class, while Scholes is in the Xavi/ Pirlo/ Zidane compartment.

Paul Scholes world class as endorced by the great spainish midfielder. Keane Ince Robson great leaders but only one Scholey

Scholes was amazing but kean would be the first name on the team sheet imo .
If I had to pick a cm pairing for the last 20 year it would be kean and an other

As an Irishman, it pains me to choose. Keane won us so many games by sheer force of will alone.

But Scholes is the greatest midfielder I've ever had the privilege of watching. If he was Spanish or Italian, he'd be a 100 international caps man easily.

Scholes was the better player, but I'd rather have Keane on the pitch in a crunch game.

This is why I love United.

We're debating on who our greatest midfielder is, some great answers for why its Keane and for why it's Scholes.

We've been blessed with some of the best players to play the game, so to be able to say we've had Scholes, Keane, Giggs, Beckham, Ronaldo, RVN, Cantona, Best, Charlton, Law, Irwin, Pally, Edwards, VDS, Vidic, Ferdinand, Neville, Evra, Staam, etc. is such an amazing thing.

So although it's a great moment to look back through history and some of our great players, let's spare a thought to those less fortunate than ourselves, and consider Liverpool, who's only 2 players in recent history with any real talent are Suarez and Gerrard.

What boring conversations they must have ;).

Oh, and I choose Scholes, the best of the best.

But if you want somebody who can pass, run and 'Keane' somebody then look no further than Sir Bobby Charlton.

True, Danny. If the mortgage depended on a result, it'd be Roy every time.

01 Jun 2014 08:37:51
That's a really hard decision. Keane for me. Just.