Manchester United Banter Archive October 31 2013

31 Oct 2013 20:26:46
Evening folks! Just wondering if any of the editors or regulars can give me some info on Sean Goss and Ben Pearson. are these two likely to make the step up to the first team at some stage and what sort of players are they? Cheers!

Pearson and Pereira are very good but still need at least a year or two before they break into the first team proper.

Don't know much about goss.

Andy

Goss has been one of our better performers this season for the academy. He looks very comfortable on the ball and has a pretty good passing range. He drives forward whenever he gets a chance. I made a comment few days ago, after watching the u18 game against WBA, I could find similarities between his style of play and Redondo's. Not saying he will even be 20% as good but couldn't help but notice. I will keep an eye on him.

Pearson should make it at United. Just what we are missing IMHO. He is like a battering ram when it comes to tackling(don't go by his size). Is one of the best passers and controls the tempo from a deep lying position. His touch and close control are what set him apart from the rest. He has come back from Glandular fever and if he can keep away from injuries, I see him knocking on the doors in 2 years time.

Deeps.

Yeah what REDFAITH said. Pearson for me is the one to watch along with Wilson, both English and local lads (I think), but we may see Perreira first as he will be under a more complicated contract and the club may be under more pressure to play him, similar to Adnan. Wilson for me is a prolific Danny Welbeck with far better technical ability. I hope these two continue to develop well and I'm sure they will.

Cheers lads! Fingers crossed we'll have a pretty formidable team within the next 5 years then! Especially with Lingard, Januzaj and Powell having cracking seasons so far! Actually while I think of it, anyone heard how Henriquez is getting on at Zaragoza? I think he's got a great future ahead of him!

Not many people know about Sean Goss.

The lad is class. Left footed, very comfortable in possession, he can drive forward when needed, has a great passing range and his positioning is top notch.

But I cannot stress enough how comfortable the guy is with the ball at his feet, the way he shifts the ball to protect it and then drive forward with it reminds me of Dembele.

All in all I'd say he reminds me of a younger more attacking version of Carrick. He's not the fastest or most mobile player but you can be sure he will be the one controlling the tempo of a game.

Now for Ben Pearson. My personal favorite. People have been comparing him to Paul Scholes for quite a while. He's a good passer, not great, but good for his age. He's a bulldozer when it comes to tackling. Like a terrier, he runs around chasing the ball tackling people and he never shies away from a challenge. This season he has been working on his positioning.

But his most Scholeseque attribute is his movement. With his one touch passing he can run rings around opposing defenders and always free himself for a long pass/through ball even when pressed.

But the player he reminds me mostly of is Cabaye. Plenty of bite to go with his guile. He lacks Cabaye's riddiculous vision but he displays the same attributes.

Mick

I think you are doing young Ben a disservice by saying he isent a "great" passer ;) . Infact when he tries for those Scholesque raking passes, he finds his man. He just does not do it too often. His one touch is sublime.

Sean Goss looks class. His technique is top notch. The WBA game for me was the one where he absolutely tore them a new one.

Deeps.

Well deeps in all the matches I've seen him ( 5 I think ) he misplaced 2 and executed over 10. But he just doesn't do it as often as he should.

I think it might be more about the way he's asked to play. The U18s, and to a lesser extent the U21s rarely play long balls from the back and try to play it from the middle.

I hope This is a direction the first team is going towards. We have a 10 % increase of attempted long balls this season and 15 % attempted crosses.

And considering we have no one in the attacking third who has the physical presence or the aerial ability to control such passes ( RVP is hardly a target man, while Kagawa, Januzaj, Rooney, Valencia, Young, Zaha and Nani are all under 6 ft tall ) we're obviously not playing to our strengths.

And we also have one of the lowest successful crossing percentage in the league while we are one of the teams who has attempted the most crosses. Only 20 % of our chances came through the middle ( over 35 % for Arsenal, 30 % Bayern who have the best wingers in the world ) we're obviously doing something wrong.

I do hope the style of play start shifting more and more towards the middle, because atm, with incredibly average wingers, we still rely on width for 80 % of created chances.

Mick

I agree mate. The footballing philosophy that we follow for our youth football is more exciting. There is an emphasis on playing through the middle. Perhaps that is the reason, Pearson does not put in those insane passes more often. But I will shamelessly admit, I have for massive expectation of the kid. I just thinks its written that he will make it here. Never been excited for a "youth" midfielder as much in recent times. That includes our mutual admiration for Petrucci, I still hope he makes it here. let's hope our playing style for the senior changes sooner than later.

Deeps.

I always thought I was the only one who appreciates Petrucci, who, imo, is up there with Morrison and Januzaj in terms of talent, but the poor lad never seems to get off the treatment table.

I expect Pearson to slowly make his way to the U21s, and a midfield pivot of him and Ekangamene would be interesting. he would need 2 to 3 seasons to start pushing for a spot in the first team, much like Lingard when he comes back from his loan deal

31 Oct 2013 01:02:11
RVP didn't look happy after he scored because he was running back to the centre circle, I wouldn't expect him to be happy after scoring an equaliser against Stoke, he should be determined to go and get a winner.

I am shocked and appalled at people on here saying things like RVP should be dropped, someone earlier said we should sell him and get Lewandowski. Are we serious?

GDS2, whilst I don't agree with the people saying sell him, I haven't seen him play well for us at all this season. And yes he was running back to the centre circle but it was only coming upto half time and we had just pulled level. You would surely think that in those circumstances the scoring player would be happy, and so if you compare that celebration to his celebrations last year, then he just doesn't seem the same to me. Yes it's just one celebration but he hasn't seemed the same at all this season, whether that's his football, or his attitude.
Now as I said in my OP that's if his heads not in the game then he should be dropped, at least until he he can sort out his game.

Were u happy it took us till the 44th min to equalise against stoke at home?

31 Oct 2013 07:24:37
I was thinking we should put in a little bid for him in January rather than Rooney.

Stir it up a bit and see if he'll say yes. Guess what goes around comes around.

Jase

The word fickle springs to mind. The bloke pretty much won us the title last year and you want to drop him already. Perhaps a better idea would be for DM to try an understand what's bothering him and fix it. And in terms. From not playing well. apart from Rooney and Januzaj, who has played well the year with any consistency?

SAF convince RVP to join United who had a choice of other top clubs but said he wanted to win trophys. A year later SAF retires and we appoint a manager who has nothing.
In the league especially where we are 8th we have look less than convincing.
RVP is a proud man maybe he feels that the club have not honour their promise to him

Yeh why dnt u try that Marcellus, worked wonders with Rooney didn't it.
Oh and have u moved that bus off arsenals pitch yet?
How embarrassing is the fact u have spent millions on all these technical little number 10's to play pretty football and in the end the only way u can beat arsenals second string was to park the bus! Oh how I laughed!
Now I await ure ever 'mature' response, maybe u could again google us some stats and attempt to pass them off as your own again? Or u can tell us who is replacing casillias as first choice at Real, even thou Lopez done that 12 months ago (but u knew that, right?)
Please sprinkle us with wisdom from your fountain of knowledge!
Haha, I can already hear the wheels turning in your head looking for a response, or it could be from your taxi, I dunno.
I did say I wasnt gunna reply to you for a bit, but I must admit its to much fun tearing u apart!
Y dnt u go lobbying again on the liverpool or arsenal sites again looking for alies and telling them how great they are along with Chelsea, just to satisfy that niggling doubt in your own head about wot ure team really is!

P.s how the hell did hazard get on the short list for ballon dore? Romand millions at work again?

Lol Chris he REDman

I'm a Chelsea fan and had to laugh at your post.

You lot parked the bus against Southampton.and you couldn't even win the game. haha

I'm really enjoying watching Chelsea at moment, passion, fighting sprit, skill, class, more fighting sprit, more passion, organized and a squad of 23 players that when called up fight for every ball!

Our B team embarrassed Arsenal with them starting 4 of their main players. Ok we played Mata, Willian ect but none of them will play on Saturday, where's Wilshere, Ramsey, Cazorla and Koscielny WILL all play against LFC.

Good luck against them in a week or so, you'll need it.

Hazard>Kagawa

Oh no not another CRB on our page!
Hey i'm not saying u shouldn't be enjoying it, atm ure winning, albeit not very attractively.
Your wrong about southampton too, we didn't park the bus, in fact they have a great manager who got his tatics spot on and fully deserved the draw, they pushed us back for 25 mins in a way I have not seen since barca beat us, full credit should go to them for it!
Kagawa cost us peanuts compared to hazard and I wouldn't want to distinguish who is the better player, better attitude however our man wins hands down IMO,
I was meerly pointing out I can't understand how he is even on the list, although there are a few others too.
If u truly believe he deserves to be there that's ure prerogative, mine is he dnt and those thoughts have been echoed by many (but not just hazard) who I think in time will turn out to be a very good player.
I was also pointing out how I thought after spending millions on intricate number 10's its ironic u now have shifted from that idea back to powerfull direct football, other than Oscar(who I love and think is an amazing little player) who in that role has excelled under mour?
The treatment of mata I personally think is poor, as i'm sure u would agree?
Its just the blind arrogance of Marcellus that's grinds ppl, he makes some very good points (sometimes) but his lack of respect and poor attemps at banter shine a bad light on him, I understand he's prob very young so maybe we shouldn't be so harsh on him and I admire u coming in here to fight his battles mate, I really do.
Gd luck in the future,

DJ, you make it sound like Southampton are a terrible team? When in actual fact they have a brilliant team in great form and only have 2 points less than you.

I think what Chris is trying to say is that, for a team that have spent millions and millions have 2 first team players for each position in attack you don't really look 'all that'.

Yeah Hazard shouldn't be on the ballon d'or list he hasn't done nearly enough. Funny because I actually think Aguero should be instead. Coming from a United fan.

Few points I agree with Chris but not all.

If you take back the comment about us parking the bus against Arsenal then i'll take it back about Southampton. because if u think we "parked the bus" then you certainly did! Football is about defending and attacking. You need to do both to win games.

Don't agree with you on the Mata situation. Mata started off injured, Oscar has started the season superbly! Neither are wingers, both go missing when they play on the wing. (hence why we brought Schurrle and willian, both out and out wingers) So why should Jose drop Oscar and play Mata? Mata came out the other day and said what a great coach Jose is and he'll always get the best out of his players. Has Kagawa done that with Moyes? I personally think the situation with kagawa is a lot worse than the Mata situation. Ok Hazard shouldn't be on the list, Mata should, as he was our best player last year not Hazard.

I would say good luck for the future but you've had enough of that in the past :)

Hi Ozwald

No, i'm not saying Southampton are a terrible team. There doing pretty dam well at the moment! (Still not as good as Arsenal though)

Chris said we "parked the bus" against Arsenal? How? Because we defended well and was compact against a team enjoying it's best spell in YEARS?

No Hazard shouldn't be on the list but I never said he should be. All I said was Hazard>Kagawa :)

Well DJ, your tractors didn't work any better than the bus last season, did they?!

What was the huge number of points Chelsea took off Saints last season? Think you will find it was a very lonely, and lucky 1.

You will have your chance against Saints soon, so get ready with the Chelsea had a poor game excuse.

Really i'm fickle because I've said a player who isn't playing well should be dropped, ok then mate.
I've been one of the few on this page defending moyes and the team recently, I point out one of the negatives I've noticed, and now I'm being accused of being fickle.

Admit u didn't park the bus? Umm no lol u did, and did it very well, but this is hardly a 1 off is it? U done the same at OT, spurs and against city let's be honest u got away with 1 really, jose was taking the draw after 60 mins all day long, untill Hart gift wrapped u a goal.
U say u disagree about mata then go on to qoute him saying how good mour is? what's he going to say in a world cup year when he needs to be playing mate?
If u really think treating Mata the way he has been treated is right then that says a lot about your fans mate, u can't compare Mata's situation to Kags, its totally different, Kags showed tbh very little to dislodge rooney or gain a starting spot untill recently, Mata has single handedly kept u competing for 2 seasons not to mention been ure player of the year twice in that time, so he warrants being mistreated because what? He doesn't drop deep and want to protect a 1-0 lead after 60 mins?
Once again these are just my opinions and if u disagree that's fine, but I suspect, much like young marcellus u have those niggling doubts too :-)

Jase,
I dnt think AJH is not accusing u of being fickle in the sense of your support for the club, more in the sense that our biggest player and at least 50% why we won the league last year deserves more than being dropped, considering he ain't playing that bad really and not forgetting his goals already this season mate thus he shouldn't be the scapegoat to our 'indifferent' start to the season

How's it going Saint Martin?

Do you think Shaw will join us in Jan or the summer?

I'd say the summer, bout 14mil should do the trick! ;)

So WHEN we win the league come may and Mata has been used as a squad player will that be down to him as well? NO! It will all be down to Jose! We was well off the pace in the last two years when Mata was player of the year. So yea if he doesn't track back when were 1-0 up after 60 mins, we go on to lose the game 2-1. Jose has got a very good track record because he knows what he's doing! Same can't be said for moyes.lol

Players love playing for Jose not moyes.

Well DJ, you are constant (last three transfer windows) in your delusion!
To be honest, I am unaware of any need for Shaw to go anywhere, or need for the club to sell or desire by Shaw to leave. (He said he would sign a long term contract on his birthday and you could see him doing so at the Saints pre-season training camp, if you were interested.)Certainly will stay until the summer and then hardly likely to join Chelsea and have to deal with the internal politics of Cole wanting to keep him on the bench and thus limit his chances for the England senior team.
Your £5m of a few months ago is now up to £14m, is it? Problem is you are not keeping up with his development but it is a difficult calculation for you as the media do not give you a lot of information. If it is any help, I would suggest he will go nowhere for at least two more seasons. If Saints continue to progress at the current rate very unlikely he would then. If he was for sale in the summer, you are at least £10m short on your valuation. The days of being able to buy young stars from Saints at silly prices are long gone, so get used to it-you are now dealing with a financially sound club run by a very astute businessman.
Two 18 year olds playing for Saints last weekend, with another on the bench who has already played around half the games this season, and is captain of England's under 19s. If you are a quality youngster, who wants to get a chance in the Premiership with a team that is developing all the time, why would you want to leave-especially if you then had to do the hard graft for a bunch of aging has beens?

Other than that DJ, you appear to be spot on. LOL.

31 Oct 2013 18:13:20
At least he has a sense of humour, Shaw for 14 million haha. Rich owners and no need to sell.

I would suggest asking real Madrid and there players that question DJ.
How quick u disregard 1 of your players just because jose does.
Quite sad really it really is!

I think mourinho is a great manager and obviously had his reasons for not playing mata. But u can see the hunger in mata's face when he is given the chance.
I think chelsea will buy in January and they will win the league. But it is the arrogance of their supporters which frankly shows us all that they have no class at all. You can't buy that, you need to earn it and behave in a certain manner, but that is not the rent boys way.

Well DJ,
You need to revisit you stats the Saints actually went to Liverpool and collected the full three points there so you can not take anything from them. they are a good side at the moment.
susu

Chelsea is not a great team, but they have a great manager.

They have scrapped wins like we used to, while not playing that great. That said, not sure they will get any better. They have an average defence at best, and a poor CM. The fact that fat Frank is still their most influential CM says it all. They do possess some quality Attacking CM players'; but the best of them all is playing second fiddle to the likes of Oscar and Hazard.