Manchester United Banter Archive March 03 2015

 

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03 Mar 2015 22:53:54
Just like to add to the depay debate. I have watched this kid for some time.I told my mates he would have an impact at the world cup and he has been superb for psv in the league and europa. He has pace which we lack and he has a good final ball. I look at Valencia who has gone so far backwards and I look at depay who is confident, quick, exciting. Year on year the kid has got better. Dutch players in general normally take well to the premier league and are for the most part very good technically. I honestly think 15/20 million for the lad would be great business. On a separate note I have heard varane could be sold and could join utd. Would be a great signing because I think he will become the best centre half in Europe. I would take him over hummels. Depay and Varane would be great additions but this will I'm sure be dependant on whether we achieve champions league football.

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03 Mar 2015 20:56:36
Reports suggest that we are interested in the porto RB Danilo.
Anybody seen him play, would he be upto the premiership.
Seems to be heeould cost bit more than Coleman or Clyne

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03 Mar 2015 22:06:40
Too ugly for Real Madrid. Is the realisation that he's not a looker, the real underlying reason for Di Maria's lacklustre performances?

Surely looking at Wayne every day, must give him a confidence boost.

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03 Mar 2015 23:30:23
And jonesy too, the faces he pulls in games are legendary.

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04 Mar 2015 02:32:23
I wonder if that's why Luke Chadwick never signed for Madrid?

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04 Mar 2015 07:44:24
Whilst I wouldn't want to shag him I do think Di Maria is getting a hard time right now. Yes he cost a lot of monetary and yes he is not playing well but some of the articles in the press and the radio have been poor. The guy needs support and time to settle. I believe he will come good.

JMB, if he doesn't you can remind me at the end of the year.

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04 Mar 2015 08:34:52
AJH - no need to remind you mate I think we all know there is a lot more to come from ADM but whether he can provide it consistently in this league is another story. I think a spell on the bench and out of the headlines would do him the world of good.

I think he has been lucky to avoid as much criticism as say Mesut Ozil who was blasted by the media for poor perfomaces at Arsenal following his big money transfer. Journalists were saying he had a cheek to pick up his pay check yet for me Di Maria has been worse than Ozil was or has been. Again though all personal views I suppose.

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04 Mar 2015 08:57:40
I thought this was a spoof article from the daily mash or something, when I first saw it.

I do hope it works out for him here. It's no secret how much I wanted him here.

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04 Mar 2015 11:22:17
Me and you both Noucamp.

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03 Mar 2015 21:50:59
GAGUS, I do believe that's the longest post I've ever seen you put on here. What's happened to the pithy one-liners, or have you shacked up with Shappy now?
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Just saw this. I've been on here about 5 years now. Used to post regularly, not so much now. But I'm always reading.

And no, Shappy is not my type.

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03 Mar 2015 14:54:58
Just seen a stat for Blind and Hererra racking up over 180 passes between them which was 30 more than the entire sunderland team. surely they both start tomorrow and are first on the teamsheet for the rest of season! finally a blossoming partnership to indicate the gel is setting.

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03 Mar 2015 17:49:17
Carrick is back too and LvG seems to rate him too. Not sure what will be the line up in the next game.

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03 Mar 2015 18:38:58
assuming carrick is fit for some of the game i would play him behind these 2.

not the most mobile and exciting 3 in the middle. but this will offer better protection for the 2 cb's and allow the full backs to push on and offer width.

it would then give us the opportunity to test a 4-3-3 formation with these 3 in the middle before some big games that we have coming up where i think they may be needed.

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03 Mar 2015 21:15:07
I love Carrick and I love Blind but I'm not sure we can play both of them. If we do I would have Blind sitting and play Carrick and Herrera as the central 2. Now that's an idea.

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04 Mar 2015 08:47:46
They both can't play. I don't think that they can both play even if one is in CM and the other CB as it sucks so much pace out the team.

It's a tough one because I like Carrick a lot but Blind has been up there with our best players this year and most definitely deserves his spot in the first eleven at the moment.

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03 Mar 2015 12:06:04
Just hoping one of you could point me in the direction of where I can listen to our press conferences live please? Is there a website that has these on them?

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03 Mar 2015 12:34:37
Don't think so mate. I believe it is exclusive to the clubs tv channel, and is then shown on other networks.

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03 Mar 2015 13:06:13
Thanks anyway Sam. I hate how the radio just dips in and out of it, taking things out of context. I'll just wait for somebody to upload it to Youtube or something. Roll on tomorrow night.

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03 Mar 2015 14:15:01
I just saw a few minutes of the press conference. The usual questions about injuries etc, but a few journos are asking about Di Maria. The manager seems far more relaxed today compared to his last few press conferences.

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03 Mar 2015 10:24:21
A question for you eds, if we don't qualify for champions league does it affect the amount of money united get from Adidas

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{Ed001's Note - yes. Almost every sponsorship deal includes a sliding scale of bonus payments for European involvement. It is standard practice so it would not just be the adidas deal affected if the club failed to make the Champions League.}

03 Mar 2015 10:55:41
So potentially other than losing the 30 odd million we get from CL we could be looking at a total of almost 70-80 million of difference?

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{Ed001's Note - it is more a case of not getting the extra. Though it depends on how the club have budgeted for the future, they might well have budgeted based on a top 4 finish, which would put it your way of thinking. I don't believe it would be anything like 70-80m though, more like 50-60m including the CL money.}

03 Mar 2015 10:58:43
Ed001 - in your opinion how vital is it that United don't miss out on the CL places again this year? Seen posters saying it is not that bad if we miss out but I think it would be catastrophic.

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{Ed001's Note - if they have budgeted based on a top 4 finish, adding that to the issue of recruiting top talent without CL football, it would be a serious issue. You would have to pay more to attract players, but would have so much less money available. Each year you miss out makes the issue bigger and bigger. I don't believe it would be a disaster missing out, but it would certainly be a major problem that has to be rectified soon.}

03 Mar 2015 11:02:33
Cheers

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{Ed001's Note - welcome.}

03 Mar 2015 11:07:06
I remember reading something about Adidas in the Telegraph that if we fail to get into the CL for two consecutive seasons it brings down their payments by a third or more for the whole deal. I don't know how certain that is and the Ed's will know more than me, but a lack of CL again could be carnage if that is true.

Just checking it says we must be in the CL by 16/17 season or 30% penalty.

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03 Mar 2015 11:42:57
Thanks ED. After the blowout of transfer spending in the summer I wouldn't be surprised if the board has budgeted with the CL as a given.

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{Ed001's Note - that would be the usual instance at United certainly.}

03 Mar 2015 12:04:21
At one of the recent meetings United announced they have set 2 budgets for next year, one with Champions League and one with Europa League and both would leave us in a good financial position.

So they have not budgeted with CL as a given, that would be extremely naive budgeting.

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{Ed001's Note - what would happen if the club reached neither, like last season? Is it not naive to have not considered that 3rd option as well?}

03 Mar 2015 13:18:11
I did think that myself, but it appears the club are not expecting anything less than Europa League next season.

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03 Mar 2015 13:19:41
You would expect any major business would have budgeted for all outcomes.

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03 Mar 2015 10:21:43
Seen a lot of speculation on here of posters who want us to sign up players like Memphis Depay and Paulo Dybala. If I'm being completely honest I have seen both sparingly over the past year, the latter a little more due to the World Cup, but I have to say I'm not fully convinced on either at the moment.

I am not saying both do not have ability but I would like to think we would be pinning our hopes of restoring glory on more experienced and proven players rather than youngsters.

If for instance Depay was signed as squad player along with an experienced player in a similar position then great but I think the £10million being quoted for him may be closer to the £20million mark in this market. As for Dybala, well for a player yet to make major waves in European football other than a decent half season in a struggling league thus far the price being branded about is ludicrous.

I'm not saying these lads are poor or they don't have ability but I don't think at this moment they are the additions we need. Yes we all know the story of Ronaldo but he took time to get going in a much better team than we have now and is much taller, athletic and powerful than any of those guys will ever be. Like I said I've heard good things but at the moment IMO we need established winners.

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03 Mar 2015 11:03:07
We will be making a mistake by not signing these players now, the value of these players will go up through the roof if they have a great season or two.

We didn't buy Rodrigues when he was available and two year slater he went to madrid for 60 odd mill.

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03 Mar 2015 11:09:38
Depay could end up like how Ox is for Arsenal.

Not a proper starter but yet plays enough to not be classified as a bench warmer.

I would argue that the Arsenal move has affected Ox's development and maybe the same could happen to Depay.

But I would not like if someone came in and stole him from under our nose.

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03 Mar 2015 11:14:02
So we get a quick fix for a couple of years and then what?? These players go on to be superstars at other clubs and were back to square one.

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03 Mar 2015 11:23:52
JMB couldn't agree more. I was saying something similar yesterday. LVG had a problem with no Europe this year, we have a lot of players who have not had nearly enough games, even the injury crisis hasn't helped too much. The last thing we want is to buy yet more "potential" superstars, we need ready made quality, 100% proven at top level. Otherwise we run the risk of under developing players like we have with several of our existing ones this season and in seasons gone by even with a lot more games.

You can obviously strike lucky, but the sophistication and availability of information on players is so high now that you have to pay for potential far more than you used to (Shaw). Ronaldo today would cost £30m not £12m or whatever we paid for him. For every Ronaldo you have 10+ failures where you would be lucky to recoup what you paid and they will be bench warming.

CL is vital, sign players like Depay if we have CL next season as there will be the games, but if not do we want to have Depay pulling strings when our rivals have Hazard, Silva or Sanchez? We need Bale, Robben, Reus out wide for key games not Depay at the moment, (I am guilty of not knowing enough about him to really be saying this, but there is a reason for that I suppose)!

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03 Mar 2015 11:47:52
Putting the dutch league to one side for a moment because people always use that as a negative, this kid Depay has scored 1 goal less than harry kane in the europa as a winger. its all well n good saying we need a hazard etc but when chelsea got hazard he was a depay probably not even as impressive and he too played in a rubbish league.

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03 Mar 2015 11:50:27
That's exactly my point Beast. I am not saying they are poor players by any means I just can't see the justifications in spending in excess of £50million on players who are not experienced enough to take us where we want to be.

Singh - these lads are already going to be expensive. Bearing in mind the postions that need strengthened would you sanction these deals at the moment?

Rzomcr - it's all well and good saying these players will be 'superstars' but what's to say they aren't? What's to say we spend top dollar on them and they flop? At the moment would you rather Bale and Benzema or Dybala and Depay? Money doesn't grow on trees.

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03 Mar 2015 12:13:26
I'd pick the two youngsters, I'm not about papering over the cracks

everyone now wants pogba and he wasnt even playing first team football when juve snatched him up

we tried buying big stars in ADM and Falcao and look how that turned out

I just don't get peoples mentality on here one minute they're saying UTD don't do this and UTD don't do that but then want us to start spending 100's of millions on so called proven stars to keep us ticking over for a couple of years instead of buying the younger players of the future and building solid foundations for years to come the latter is UTD mentality the former is City

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03 Mar 2015 12:21:15
Rzomcr - its a good point but I remember Kezman, Alfonso and numerous others prolific in that league. I understand its unfair to blanket everyone as the same because they play in Holland (Fat Ronaldo, Suarez played there so it proves your point). But Hazard was somebody all of Europe were raving about, I had heard of him 20X more than I have Depay before he went to Chelsea - there were many clubs happy paying top dollar.

I'm guessing if we want Depay we would get him without a fight for £20m, probably £15m - that concerns me. Even the likes of Moura we failed to secure. We have been guilty of shopping in the tier below where we should be for quite a while now, fine margins and Depay could be the next Ronaldo, but the logical money would be on him being the next Nani). We already have Januzaj, having another prospect may be one too many in a key area.

This summer will be the most interesting ever for us I imagine. Can't wait.

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03 Mar 2015 12:32:22
But in hindsight what would be worse £60m on ADM = flop or £15m on Depay = flop

had anybody heard of Ole being touted around or Ronaldo for that matter?

My point being you can't live in a mentality where you think they could flop because they haven't the credentials of somebody whos played for a bigger club, because there is no guarantee that the people with the higher credentials will live up to them

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03 Mar 2015 12:33:22
This summer we splashed the cash but previous to that we have been buying young players with potential .

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03 Mar 2015 12:48:48
In the end everyones entitled to their opinions but I firmly believe this kid is going to be a huge talent I actually believe he already is. With 21 goals already this season 15 league and 6 europa, as a winger I don't care what league you're in that's impressive. Add to that his 2 wc goals (equal to the whole of the england squad) as a sub and his nomination for young player of the tournament which he was pipped to by pogba (probably because pogba played more). For me Depay isn't up and coming punt he's here and doing it and he's only going to get better.

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03 Mar 2015 13:07:29
I hope you are right mate because I would put money on us buying him this summer.

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03 Mar 2015 13:26:57
Depay is a class act in the making. he's been playing in an incredibly strong PSV team but defo pulls his weight. I would also bid for him as agree he is well in his way to being a star.

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03 Mar 2015 13:31:53
Whilst I'm not adverse to signing the bales of the world, and indeed would live bale as a last piece in the jigsaw type of signing, how realistic are those type of signings?

We need a big spend this summer to sort out centre back, right back and midfield so I don't think there would be enough left in the pot to go get a Reus this summer. At the same time we need pace upfront and depay for 15-20 would help out. Its all very well saying he isn't a superstar but the potential is there and can guarantee if we didn't sign him and someone else did there would be complaints on here about missing out.

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03 Mar 2015 17:00:34
It's not like our experienced, proven winners are helping us all that much in attack? RvP, Rooney (not as much), Mata, Falcao and Di Maria have all been below par. What we need is experience in the back line and a couple of young forwards that are energetic, dynamic and have pace. I'd welcome players such as Depay and Dybala. We're United and we should stick with our tradition of bringing in young players with bags of potential.

Has Di Maria alone not given proof that spending a lot of money on a proven world class player does not always pay off? Young unproven players wanting to make a name for themselves are much more likely to show desire on the pitch.

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03 Mar 2015 18:42:41
Ozwald - Fair points of course, but its a risk reward thing. We need a winger, if we are buying one would you it rather be potential or proven? I know its always a lottery but less chance of Bale or Robben being a flop than Depay. We have spent a lot of money on nearly men and we have lost splashing it on big named stars as well. Its just doing dd as best you can.

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04 Mar 2015 07:57:43
Jmb has got a point that we nèed proven talent, and if we can get ronaldo reus or robben then that's fine. But depay and dybala will be stars. Of that there is no doubt.
Also we bought proven talent in the summer and so far, the two most proven have not turned out great.
I think we should be looking to buy players that fit a system and not just household names.

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04 Mar 2015 11:23:14
No Mid. Couldn't agree more!

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