Manchester United Banter Archive May 03 2014

 

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03 May 2014 19:25:16
Back in Manchester for the weekend, and took in my first game for a couple of years and it was a great demonstration of why we need a manager with post-Ferguson ideas.

Reports suggest that Giggs lamented the fact that the team was flat, and that he didn't know why, which in and of itself is a good reason not to appoint him to the position at this time. It has been the same story virtually all year.

I see Van Gaal's abrasiveness and preparedness to ruffle some feathers as requisite attributes if the club seriously wants to turn things around. Re-signing Ferdinand and Evra, as opposed to finding energetic replacements, as Giggs is supposed to be advocating, is surely the most telling indicator of his inappropriateness for the position.

The Ferguson era is over. It cannot be recreated. The class of 92 is but a romantic meander into nostalgia.

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With no meaning left why not put some youngsters in wilson keanne pearson lingurd put a smile on peoples faces the regulers had there chance young nani carrick fletcher mata can't look good without pace and midfielders running past him vidic isn't he going so why play him

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Sorry you had such a cr4p game pea, kind of proves that whilst DM was the wrong choice, our problems run a whole lot deeper. That Giggs made so many changes was a surprise but we need a steady experienced hand now, or a dynamic exciting talent, neither of which is Giggs.

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The basic problem has been the failure to invest in quality midfielders and the responsibility for that lies with the Glazers and/or Ferguson. Carrick and Fletcher were truly awful today; their passing was poor, they failed to cover defensively, and, as has been the case all season, they offered no threat going forward. Jones had an okay game at right back.

Some consolation - it was a lovely sunny day!

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The team was flat because our players are crap. I don't see where the mystery is.

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03 May 2014 18:54:13
With no Europa football next season we can afford to trim down our squad size considerably. 1 match a week should be covered by 18 1st team players + 2 stalwarts backed up with players from our youth.
This will allow for a reduced wage bill to compensate for having to pay new signings inflated wages.
Id keep rio and fletch as the youth guys will need some advice from a familiar face from time to time. I think LVG will not waste anytime in moving on at least 12 of the current 1st team squad and try to bring in 4 kroos reus Cesc Garay (or others of that ilk) top class players and 2 young players with WC potential Shaw Carvaliho
It would be pointless having anymore snr pros than 18 /20 next season without enough football to go around,

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12 first team players is quite the overhaul.

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Ruudinthemood

Your right it will need more for a successful overhaul!

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Although Ruudinthemood when was the last time you saw Macheda Bebe play Young Nani Valencia Carrick Cleverly Ferdinand Evra Vidic is going one of Hernadez Kagawa could leave there's 12 player that aren't needed

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Paddy - Not sure I would quite classify Bebe and Macheda as first team, but I understand your point. There's definitely going to be somewhat of a clear-out, but I would be surprised if it was as drastic as some people are expecting. Valencia and Carrick are almost certainly going to stay, and unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if Young stuck around also. Ferdinand has a chance of getting a contract extension. I would also like to see Kagawa and Hernandez kept by the club but I'm not optimistic.

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Agreed Ken. We need 11 or 12 top new players. It's that bad.

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04 May 2014 12:06:12
So you don't rate anyone in the squad then. We're not city you know with billionaire arab owners. And 12 signings is ridiculous this is real life not fifa.

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03 May 2014 16:34:29
I don't know the full story of why were all on a YELLOW CARD, It seems however that were the biggest whinners and ball ******* because many of us come on here and look forward to some positive answers from mr 002 who is in the know.

Im very sure that Ed does not want or like us to be blasphemous on our page or see negative comments about any of us. but why should he put up with your erratic and egoistic Behaviour. Ed02 has more info than anyone here and the inside knowledge he has is a gift which Is why i'm here. I DO NOT however in any shape or forn question his replies or virtually put my hands on him and shake him for more info. In future if you want to question an answer, please do it quietly as 90% of us tend to us our brain and not question authority. Its almost like are we there yet over and over again.

Ed02. Can we not have a poll on should the Veggies be banned or Muted. The last time you left this place was like a graveyard, I don't want to see that again

Reddevil

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03 May 2014 17:01:09
Hope that knocks all the Giggs for manager stuff on the head. We need someone with experience, authority and a track record because there's a major job to be done on this season evidence

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Only the very naive would want giggly as the next manager and have no clue what we are looking at.

I hope whoever the next manager is given time as this is not a new couple of new players fix and for those who expect that find a new team to support.

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Spot on, Bilko!

For Giggs to say that we were flat and he did not know why, coupled with the very idea of having Ferdinand and Evra for another year, is a clear demonstration that he is closer to David Moyes in thought processes than he is to SAF.
Van Gaal for two or three years is just what the slackers in our first team squad need; anyone who does not shape up, and pretty darn quick, will be out of the door whether they are on £300k a week or not.

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03 May 2014 16:58:08
Well let's hope that puts the Giggs for manager debate to bed once and for all. When I saw our lineup I thought we must have a lot of injuries. It was so defensive. Then I saw the bench. Ryan, we are at home! Attack, attack attack. RVP, Januzaj etc on the bench! Chicho on his own? He can't play on his own up front!
Awful just awful!

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03 May 2014 16:56:19
As much as I admire Ryan Giggs and the class of 92 please don't let sentiment get in the way of making the right decision! We need a big personality . a touch of arrogance. and most importantly a proven winner as a manager! Step forward Louis Van Gaal.

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Gus Poyet would be a better choice .

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Better than who Cheshire?
Surely you mean Giggs and not LvG?

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Poyet you are joking mate. LVG please

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03 May 2014 16:54:47
Hopefully today will end the sentiment of far too many people to make Giggs the manager of one of the worlds biggest clubs with a notable job to do. Let's be honest there was not much on the game for us and Sunderland had both motivation and have been playing well recently. However, Giggs has for me never been the answer. His team selection with Nani and Young was not great today but perhaps meaning that we avoid the Europa Thursday league will be an added bonus.

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03 May 2014 16:53:23
What a performance. So proud. Giggs who? You need me back? Only 77 crosses today? 4 more and you would have won

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David, your influence on the team was zero, do you think any comments you make on here will gave any greater effect on us? Nice try matey ;-)

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Very funny I like that.

All the best David

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03 May 2014 16:09:23
i can not understand why vidic is anywhere near the team he should have been resigned to the reserves months ago
Giggs giving out jobs for his mates
We need someone in with the balls to move players on and start afresh
LVG is that man. No sentiment no old pals acts
LVG put the team before any individual, there will be tough calls made many of which will divide opinion but just like SAF the majority of those tough calls made by LVG turn out to be correct.
If one of those tough calls means that LVG does not want as many or indeed any of the class of 92 on his coaching staff then so be it. All were great players but none have proved anything yet as coaches let them off to cut their teeth elsewhere MU is too big for trial and error. robbo / keane / ole / bruce / hughes etc all have had a go some for more time than other yet none have excelled why would giggs neville scholes etc be any different. if they go and prove themselves they will be welcomed back and all would come on their hands and knees if offered a role in the future if they deserve it
LVG and his team will sort it out they don't need guys in there telling them this is the way we used to do it. the past is the past

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For me Ken, spot on. o class f 92. Great players but zilch when it comes to management.
LvGwill kick backsides, have no regard or the past and move United on. Forget the past. We are not Liverpool, we can't keep looking backwards.
The class of 92 should now learn from the Dutch master and take their positions when they are ready, and right now, they are a mile away from that!

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Ken and OT7 Agree 100% - hope that all this nonsense about Giggs is well and truly kicked into touch!

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03 May 2014 16:13:17
Trying to pinpoint whys team that won the league last year is playing like we are. I think whilst I have always liked carrick ad never said a bad thing about the guy, he is now IMO too slow and not good enough and he was such an important part of team last year.

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03 May 2014 16:35:31
same can be said of evra / rio / vidic / giggs / fletch / young / nani/ chich / vaqlencia / ando has started 1 game since moving to italy and been a sub 3 times so it looks like we will also have to find a different buyer for him

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I was going to post the same thing until I seen this, it is unbelievable how poor his passing accuracy has been and he is very slow and reluctant to shoot as well. It seems to be a thing with our midfielders atm they all seem scared to shoot and we are over playing the ball and ending up out wide then our crossing accuracy is a shambles too so we are very ineffective.

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He and Fletcher are hopeless this season. The amount of times they just stand still, it makes the defenders job so easy. I just kept pointing at Fletcher, saying "watch this he doesn't move, just trots about", The Mrs was even screaming "do something".

The two times carrick & Fletcher did move forward we had our best chances because our attackers had space. This is why we are so bad.

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03 May 2014 16:06:42
How poor has Michael Carrick been this season? Tbf everyone has, but he seems to have lost what little mobility he already had, his passing has been off and he just makes the same repetitive movements time after time. It is clear we need two midfielders, because unfortunately MC seems past it.

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Hes been terrible and for some reason plays every game and never gets taken off. Just shows how bad our midfield really is and Felaini can't surpass him.

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Wow talk about esp :)

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03 May 2014 15:54:05
Why does Moyes select Young? Oh my bad I forgot Giggs was the manager . Is Adnan hurt? Looks like Giggs fancies all the older players, which to me is a waste. We all know that Vidic is gone, wouldn't it be better for the club if Smalling got a run of games. Nani and Young will both probably be gone and if Adnan isn't hurt then that's another strange decision . Next season can't get here soon enough.

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Sort of wish Moyes got to the end of the season at least Kagawa Januzai Mata Smalling Jones were all playing

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03 May 2014 15:47:19
This midfield is so painfully slow

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Bleep test experts.

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03 May 2014 15:46:46
Now that we git rid of moyes who do we blame for a first half like that.

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Jred

It is moyes ghost and I am surprised you did not know that. After all these is a great group of players who are being overtrained and tactically under coached :)

On a serious note what a dreadful performance.

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Giggs out!

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The players and Giggs for picking said players.

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Us - for not making a bigger deal of the awful football we have been watching for the past 3-4 years.

We got results because teams feared us, that has gone and we are now getting punished. This started ages ago, it just took a scape goat or two for us to start making a big deal about it.

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Danny

Lol, you are a trip. o a serious note I am delighted we miss Europe and can ficus on making things right. We do need a manager though and I would like one sooner than later.

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Gcu
There is a very good argument that moyes wasn't good enough.
There is also a very good argument the players aren't good enough

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Jred

We can appoint Mourinho and with this group we will win zero. I hostly believe Fergie left us with a massive rebuild an dour transfers over the last 5 or 6 year have produced very little, which is what the was the Scousers downfall and they seem to be finally coming out of it.

I still believe DM was a lot better than most want you believing on this site and this group of players needs to be uprooted like an old rotten tree and replanted.

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03 May 2014 15:44:40
Is it just me or does anyone else also get extremely irritated when they see Young in the united XI. How is the guy even a footballer let alone a united player. Absolutely terrible offers nothing while he's one of the club's top earners.

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03 May 2014 15:32:11
Honeymoons over.

This is going to be a horrible game now. Sunderland will sit with 10 men behind the ball, instead of 9.

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Its ok, we only attack with 3 men at a time. Camping or not makes no difference.

Comes to something when I would swap Sunderlands defence with our own, where did they get those defenders! Wait there!

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Sunderland didn't. They waited and picked us off so easily. They should have won 3-0!

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03 May 2014 15:18:00
Young and Nani are so poor. I am not sure why we are playing them as traditional wingers either.

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03 May 2014 13:56:19
Spurs are getting whooped by Carroll and Co. Ten men but they are playing like they are only 5 on the pitch. Looks like we might finish 6th after all

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I want European football personally it's a must for United and the majority of players want European football of some sort.

Our squad should more than cope and its extra revenue for the club

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Or maybe not

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No thanks pointless Mickey Mouse cup.

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03 May 2014 13:56:07
I would like to thank Ed02 for still giving us the answers we crave regardless of the people who try to ruin it for the rest of us.

Cheers ed

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{Ed002's Note - You are all on a yellow card right now. Otherwise it will be back to Twitter for you trying to pick up hints and snippets from #WonderDogSparky who is know for giving out transfer hints. Obviously Ed004 will answer any questions that you have if you think #WonderDogSparky has said anything related to Manchester United.}

Can't believe I've been booked, it's like I'm back playing again only this time I didn't deserve it :-)

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Was a bit of a hot head in my day Brendan81 got nothing short of a few red cards In my day quietened down a bit now

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04 May 2014 11:36:46
Ed02, sorry to learn you're getting grief off persons.

There's not much I can do about that but I can offer my thanks and support for your involvement with this site.

Perhaps you can bear in mind that for every dipstick, there are a 100 people who welcome your contributions. Unfortunately we'll never get rid of the muppets, they're just a part of every aspect of life.

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03 May 2014 11:53:44
So we have been recently linked with muller and goetze. I knw it might be just paper talk but do u guys thnk tht we need any of those two. I knw they are big names n have been performing well but I gues kroos is the one we need most as he is the type of player tht our midfield needs

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03 May 2014 09:23:01
If LvG does get the Job I hope to see Nani back to his best. He's one of those players you just know would be outstanding if he moved

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And I hope to see the back of him

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03 May 2014 13:09:48
I'm not sure why he's done almost nothing for the last 4 years. Sometimes it just doesn't work out and you have to cut your losses.

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Nani is more like the harlem globetrotters than an MBA player. he is dumb as sh. t and should be sold in the summer.

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No he wouldn't, he would be woefully inconsistent and drive his next club mad like he has us. Get rid now.

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03 May 2014 09:03:32
I have read that a lot of you (including the sainted
Sir Alex) want Giggs to get the manager's job -BUT
I assume that this was before you saw that he wanted Ferdinand and Evra to get new deals??

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Nope! Didn't and don't want giggs as manager. Maybe in the future if he gets some coaching experience. Hardly had any under moyes and needs to do that first . Lots of people banging on about Pep and giggs being like him he had coached the youth and reserves before getting the barca job he didn't just walk into it from playing.

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It would be a massive risk to appoint Giggs. It seems many are being swayed by the memories of the class of 92 but in my opinion he shouldn't be considered for the job.

Others who have been successful in their first positions at big clubs tend to have had coaching experience at smaller clubs with a couple of exceptions like Guardiola who happened to inherit one of the best squads in the world. Whoever gets the United job won't have that luxury. That's why we need an experienced coach who has managed big players and had success as well.

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03 May 2014 13:15:01
Id like to see the class of 92 kept around in some capacity, say Scholes and Butt in the academy, Giggs or G Nev as first team coach gaining the necessary experience under van Gaal then maybe taking over.

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Where were the class of 82 when we were running riot over the past 20 years? All this sentimentality is rubbish, the best people should get jobs not people that brown nose or who have excelled in other roles that do not relate directly to the job on offer.

Giggs is nowhere near intelligent enough to be the manager of Manchester United. The game has moved on from people wanting to impress their manager or fear them because they were good players - it's not the 80's anymore. All players care about is endorsements, twitter, agents, women and accessories - and having a schedule that suits them when it comes to football.

This isn't a game anymore and I wish people would stop thinking this way. We can't accept anything other than the very best from now on, otherwise we continue to fall.

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03 May 2014 07:32:08
Ander Herrera playing really well for Bilbao at the moment, looks a class act.
But I guess with a new manager and new targets that ship has sailed .

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Always been great player and I have touted him for 2 years now, but unlikely to get him.

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I think he should be our no 1 target personally, great little player, and more attainable than some of the other big names being banded about :-)

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03 May 2014 13:27:16
Wont Bilbao still insist on the release clause though which was the issue last time, not sure he's that easy to get.

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Mr.E

For his age and his release clause he offers more value and quality than some of the names that are Baskin Robins flavour of the week.

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Mre I agree he would be far from easy to get, I think we would have to meet the release clause for a start . I just think he's more of a realistic target than kroos or fabregas and the rest of the names flying about . but ed 2 just said he can't see herrera moving, and he'd know far more than us I think . damn shame, I think he'd be worth every penny regardless what we paid for him :-(

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03 May 2014 17:31:45
Don't get me wrong he's in my top choices, I just think the release clause makes it difficult. I would have kroos but suspect its contract shenanigans. i'd prefer to avoid another fabregas saga and don't think he's come to us anyway.

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Yeah the release clause would be a nightmare, and I think fabregas and kroos just isn't going to happen, but I really do hope i'm wrong about that lol

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03 May 2014 00:17:16
Our U21 performances and specially this one at Anfield is one of the silver linings of a dismal season by all counts. They joy of watching the beautiful game. Atleast the philosophy in the academy is extremely encouraging. Some special mentions.

Pearson and Rothwell - How I would want them to be our future midfield pairing. I know its a long shot, but the way they compliment each other is a joy to behold. It was so visible when they did it week in week out for the U 18s. Rothwell has adapted excellently to the U21s, Pearson after a sluggish start is finishing very very strongly. Tackling, Passing, One twos and what not.

Lawrence - His loan spell at Yeovil has done him a world of good like John said. He is silky, classy on the ball, got pace to boot and a good passer. He has one of the best shots in him and that includes our senior squad. The elegance and the way he dribbles/drfits past players is very encouraging.

Wilson - Enough said, had a quiet game today. I don't think he was 100%

Perreira - So periliously close to being called one of those insanely talented kids to throw it away. Has been patchy throughout the season. But the second half showed, when on his game, he is better than Adnan Januzaj, you heard it. What a goal! If he fulfills his potential (not too sure), he will be excellent.

Warren Joyce - Take a bow son, take a bow. He has literally coached a completely different squad in the second half, yet his teams adapted like it never was the case. Possession, interplay, playing through the middle. everything that we so crave for. I would want him near the first team sooner than later.

I am getting a little carried away for sure, but when the kids turn it on, its a joy to behold. Seeing our first team struggle so much, these kids have been a breath of fresh air. Too early to really call, but the potential is there for sure.

Deeps.

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03 May 2014 01:41:06
looks like our future is secure :)

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Cheers, Pink. Thankful you took the time to write that. I never get around to watching the U21 games so nice to have an update. Being a follower of the youngsters, do you like the idea of LVG getting the job?

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Pink I don't get to watch U21 games here in India but whenever I have seen Saidy Janko he always reminds me of Valencia.

I think Varela is a better RB than him.

What do you think of Janko and Varela?

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Deeps, any update on the injuries? Lot of key players were injured or not 100%.

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Roman - I think LvG coming is not the worst thing when it comes to the youngsters. What we really need is some of the older ones or under performing ones to leave for the squad to have space. Considering his time at Ajax, I don't think it can be a bad thing to be honest.

MB - You are spot on about Janko and Varela. Janko is super fast, powers past players and is very Tony like. Varela for comparisons sake is more Rafael like minus the petulance. I have been very impressed, should get his chance imo against the likes of Hull and Sunderland. Btw he looked great yesterday, nullified their main threat Texxeira( cracking player by the way). If you had to keep an eye on someone, Reece James has improved massively. The Pool RB had a torrid time with Lawrence, James and Perreira combining on the left.

PR - I have no updates on the 3 injuriea. Hope they are alright. Bit concerned about Wilson, didn't look right to me. Chelsea are a very strong outfit with the likes of Baker etc. We will need Pearson, Rothwell, Wilson and Lawrence at full pelt.

Deeps.

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MB
I think Janko has 10 times the tricks up his sleeve than Valencia has, He should turn out to be better than him.
and Janko is suited more to be a winger than a fullback in my opinion, he doesn't mind taking his player on, unlike most of the first team wingers

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02 May 2014 23:54:59
For those of you who think Giggs should get the job, He has just come out and said he would like to extend Ferdinand and Evra next year if he was in charge. God help us if this the direction we are going.

We need to sell and retire players just to be able to fit new players and academy talent into the squad as there is a size limit.

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Agreed. This is why Giggs is unsuitable at this time. We need a big name, confident manager who will clear out the squad.

If Giggs wants to keep Evra and Ferdinand then that alone shows he is not the right man.

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GCU

Whilst we need to move on there is also a need to maintain experience in transition. If Rio and Evra are retained as first choice that is a problem but to keep their experience in a defence that will be much changed next season it could be beneficial. Also I get the impression they are important in the dressing room, long standing highly experienced players which may be needed given Vidic has left. I would be happy to keep them as reserves for experience for one year during transition of the back four.

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Evra should definitly leave Ferdiand I would like to see stay while Michael Keane gets a premier league loan

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Red Man

Their Salaries are huge and unless they are willing to take major cuts and play a reduced role it makes zero sense. Even if they agreed our squad size will be an issue and people have to go if we are trying to bring in 4 or 5 new players and promoting from within.

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Red Man, If we get a Van Gaal, I think he will do great even without the experience of Rio (unless LvG wants to have experience of twitter) and Evra. If Giggs is appointed manager then I think they would come handy. If it was for me I would not have them.

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I would expect them to take lower salaries given age and playing expectation. I think their time as first choice is over but bringing in lots of players at once is challenging and we need the right continuity of spirit around the dressing room. They are both notable characters and I wouldn't be unhappy if they are around as long as the salaries are commensurate with the expected role. I wouldn't be unhappy if they went either and feel we need to get rid of some deadwood. Ideally we should have kept Vidic one more year then could have let Rio go now. The other question is whether Buttner will want to stay as a reserve? If not then I could see logic in keeping either or both.

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This is the reason that Giggs needs to be kept away from the job for a few years. Like Fergie, he is too sentimentally attached to the older players in the squad, and that just isn't conducive to rebuilding. Van Gaal, on the other hand, always emphasises youth and would, hopefully, move on the lads who are well past their best.

A few years down the line, if he proves himself, Giggs could come back in without the burden of having to get rid of his friends. Personally, however, I would like to see if Giggs has the chops to manage at another club before we even consider him.

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Agreed we can not have 3 left backs assuming one is coming in. Buttner is 25 and on low wages, I can't see how Evra will take a pay cut from 90 or 100k to 25 k that is what Buttner earnsI believe.

If lVG comes in he might prefer Buttner given the above issues.

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I'm not exactly sure about the concept, but can't they be given a pay as you play sort of deal?

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Does rio look like the kind off guy who will accept pay as you play. These are some fat cats with mega egos and not easy to please.

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