Manchester United Banter Archive April 04 2013

 

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04 Apr 2013 23:03:50
Please explain why we are after Begovic when we have the best keeper in the premier league? Is de gea leaving? Big biggest if this teansfer goes ahead

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04 Apr 2013 20:00:15
Eds do you see Sergio Canales still being of interest to United? I think he went to Madrid but then his career seems to have stalled. He'd be a good midfield option to play alongside Strootman if signed and possibly not cost a fortune.

Other than Strootman do you know of any interest in midfielders from Manchester United? Wouldn't mind someone like Gago arriving.

Adz {Ed002's Note - No.}

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Wanyama and Cirigliano are the ones of interest I think.

Fresh!

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04 Apr 2013 20:51:48
Just wondering after we reinforce the midfield then I would imagin we would look at reinforcing our attacking players. Now we've been linked to players such as Lewandowski Rodriguez and Lamela. Now we won't have unlimited funds to spend, and it looks like we are looking at left footed wingers and strikers. So considering we'll only have 35m at most to spend on this area would you rather sign one of Rodriguez or Lamela for nearly all that budget or would you rather sign Lewandowski for 18m AND someone like Gaitan for around 16m?

So Rodriguez or Lamela for 35m or Lewandowski and Gaitan for 35m?

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Rodriguez. We've already got good strikers and we don't need poor wingers, we've got enough.

TRUMORS

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Shappy

Why would you think Lamela is worth 35 million.

Gaitan and Lew for me

Shahram

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Shahram, he ain't worth 35m but neither is Rodriguez. At the end of the day you don't pay what someone is worth you pay how much the person/s holding their contract wants for them. In the case of Lamela it could well end up costing close to 35m. It is my understanding that Roma and two other parties all own a certain amount of him so you need to negotiate with all of them and there will be several agencies involved and other legal cost which would push his eventual cost beyond the 30m mark maybe as high as 35m. Roma as is my understanding only own 35% of him so of a 30m fee they would only get 10.5m do you think they would be happy with that? that's why although personally I think he would be the best option (even over Rodriguez), he remains a very unlikely signing.

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Schoolboy shappy buy this buy that

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Shappy cowboy supper you would know more about

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Is this the worst attempt at trolling ever? If you wanna slag me off, fair play. I have slef esteem to deal with it. But please could you at least make sense? Cowboy supper? What the hell are you on about? Lol. At least you made me smile.

I'd be more than happy to know why i'm a schoolboy though? Or is that your fantasy?

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Haha, they told you Shappy ;) Sreiously, worst attempted put downs, ever!

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Shappy I agree he is not worth 35 million and no one even at his end would be expecting that sort of a umber. I also don't believe, we would be interested to negotiate anything around those numbers for someone like him.

The numbers are Goatze, Ozil territory and they are miles better than this kid.

Shahram

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05 Apr 2013 17:54:30
Shahram, I think Lamela will be one of the best players in the world in a few seasons time. He isn't mentioned in the same breath as some of the more media pleasing players but the lad is top class. Barca first tried to sign him when he was 15 and they have been trying ever since. They really want this lad, and if he was to become available they would want to be front of the que. But as I said as much as i'd like to see him signed, his contract situation will prevent us from entering the fray. Shame as the lad is top class and will be a worldy.

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Interesting, I guess we will see how he develops in a few years.

Shahram

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04 Apr 2013 19:36:35
apart from the odd game United have been far from convincing this season, however they are still fifteen points clear of last seasons champions, this tells me two things, first Sir Alex has worked wonders in galvanising the squad after last seasons disappointment and second any team that wins twenty five times in thirty games can't be that bad! Cheetham Lad.

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Can only beat what's put in front of ya but let's not kid ourselves. Premiership is a weaker league these days. Appreciating we've just about won it in a canter.

Europe is where we should judge ourselves. Nani incident aside I doubt our one man midfield would have got us to Champs League glory.

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No one said premiership was weak when city and united were bulldozing over everyone, so how come it has suddenly gone weak because united are winning comfortably. Stop listening and believing the media, if city were winning by 15 points, they will be hailed as the team of the century!
Nomidfield

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A league can be more competitive and weaker at same time, ie teams can be getting closer together whilst overall the league they play in may not be as strong as elsewhere. As my original post said you can only beat what's put in front of you. Clearly United, with the inclusion of RVP, have improved markedly from last season. City by contrast have gone backwards. If we played in a league that included Barca, Real, Bayern, Dortmund, Juve, Inter to name but a few do you really think we would top it? You are welcome to your opinion if you do. However deluded it is. Prem is getting weaker. Get over it.

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04 Apr 2013 19:01:17
Just my opinion. but selling Rooney is a step backwards and tbh a load of horse rubbish. when Scholes does retire I personally think Roo will b the man to replace the ginger legend. and young Nick Powell will b blooded into that role as Roo comes to the end of his united career. There is no doubt in my mind Rooney can do the job in cm. he's played there before and done a sterling job and we all no when he played up top he loves to drop deep and spray the ball. So if this does happen I believe we should sign a striker. oh yeah all this talk of Hernandez going is also bull hockey. he loves utd and the fans love him he'll b at old Trafford for many many years. mark my words. Peace and one love. UNITED!!

Mr (P)

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I don't think that he will leave or be sold. He'll sign a contract extension.

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He's played there how many times exactly?

And done how well?

Scholes has over 600 games in the position for the club and is regarded as one of the greatest players of his generation by his peers, players like Zidane and Xavi.

Playing Rooney in midfield would be the step backwards. There is simply more to playing in midfield than "dropping deep and spraying the ball" For starters you need a good first touch and an ability to pass it short which Rooney has lost. Also some pace helps. And pinging 50 yard balls to nowhere like he usually does isn't anything like Scholes either.

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Not a chance, he is simply not a midfielder

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Interesting Mr. P you obviously watch a different game than I do. But since we are on the subject when was the last time rooney played there, which game and please enlighten me.

Shahram

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The only way Rooney could play in midfield is if he was the furthest forward of a three man midfield as he simply doesn't have the touch, consistancy of passing or awearness to play there. Too often have I seen him playing further forward (where you get more time on the ball) losing the ball due to a heavy touch or a lack of knowing where his marker is or a poor pass choice. You can get away with making these mistakes on the edge of your opponants box but you will get punished again and again if you do them on the edge of your own box.

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Rooney is a driving force for sure when on form but he is no natural born midfield star. That's what we are crying out for. Until we invest in world class midfield talent we ain't going to be winning European Cup anytime soon. Sadly.

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I think he'll probably stay but in his usual role between the midfield and forwards or no. 10 if you will. He's not technically sharp enough for the heart of midfield IMO.

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And if we keep playing him in an advanced central midfield where, in my opinion, he is unsuited, where does that leave kagawa?
If Rooney is being touted as part of our new midfield, then we might as well give up.
Nomidfield

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04 Apr 2013 16:17:14
i don't know why but I m missing the cameo appearances of paul scholes
wish to see a few more moment of brilliance from him before he retires

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He was fantastic when he came back last season but seems to have struggled more to keep up with play this season. Let's hope we can put the league to bed ASAP so we can see a bit more of Scholesy before he goes (as well as our youngster's).

HBadger

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04 Apr 2013 16:10:37
Also I think Klopp should be seriously considered as a replacement for SAF. The way Dortmund play is very good.

Their focus of their every move is penetration and not just possession. We have seen Arsenal/Barca just roam around the 30 yard box just pinging passes to each other but the Dortmund team tries to penetrate into the box.

Lastly how good is Gundogan? He was brilliant yesterday.

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Am a huge admirer of Klopp for many reasons:

1) bringing youth through
2) some fantastic bargain signings
3) exciting brand of football
4) built a top squad for very little money

But I just don't see him coming unfortunately :/ The German League is an exciting place to work for the time being and I'm sure he'll have many attractive offers when he does become available.

HBadger

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04 Apr 2013 16:06:40
Don't get me wrong I know that stats are not everything, far from it in fact -

But I do wonder what some poster's on this site would have made of Rooney if he hadn't scored in 9 games, like RVP.

Thank god we've had someone in scoring form over the last 2/3 months or we wouldn't be 15 points clear in the EPL that's for sure.

I'm a massive fan of RVP (above Rooney) and this is in no way slagging him off because he has a lovely touch and can link up play even when not scoring - and I hope both him and Wayne can finish the season strongly BUT I thought I'd take this opportunity congratulate Rooney on picking up these vital goals (like the one against Fulham!).

I'm not intending to start a Rooney debate here either, we all know he's had a dodgy season it's just a straight forward thanks for his recent goals, seeing as we were all speaking of RVP as our saviour at the start of the season.

HBadger

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No problem Badger. Thanks for the support. Wayne x

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The main difference being that when RVP isn't scoring goals, his touch and his passing are still top class where as Rooney loses possession countless times in a match.

TK-Red

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Like I said TK, I'd prefer RVP and wasn't starting a Rooney debate - but without his goals since December we would be in trouble. So I thought I'd make the point and thank him.

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Gav

Some people can't do nothing right, whereas some people can't do no wrong. I agree if Rooney had a 10 game barren spell, people would have gone berserk over here. And when both of them are not playing well, there is a major difference, RVP is not involved in our play as much, doesent keep asking for the ball as much as Rooney does and isent trying to ping thru balls in. And can we have RVPs pass completion?

All said and done, RVP is a brilliant player and we are lucky to have him. But there are some on here who can;t find anything wrong with him. For me they are one of the best attacking pairs in club football. For the records YES Rvp has a better touch than Rooney.

Deeps.

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You're right RVP isn't involved as much as Rooney. He is further up the pitch doing his job instead of dropping into midfield and giving the ball away every 2nd pass. A more efficient player by far.

Gav, I take your point mate but when you mention Rooney on here then you can expect nothing less than a debate to ensue ;)

TK-Red

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04 Apr 2013 15:49:12
Anyone see the Madrid Galatasary game last night. I won't even start on the Benzema challenge which clearly shows rules for some and rules for others but there was a great looking player for Galatasaray who would fit into our midfield nicely, I think his name was Shniydure.

Supasub

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That joke might have worked had Sneijder not looked like a bag of sh*ep last night and being taken off at half time.

TK-Red

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Please just go with it TK, just thought it was a bit of a slow news day.

Supasub

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Sorry mate. I must've woken up in an unnecessarily belligerent mood this morning :)

TK-Red

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04 Apr 2013 15:47:35
I remember one of our best performances this season was Newcastle away when we played the diamond formation.

With all of our winger out of form, wouldn't it be recommended to give the diamond another try?

I would love to see Carrick, Cleverley and Anderson all in a 3 man midfield with Kagawa behind RVP and Rooney.

I could imagine that the link up between RVP, Rooney and Kagawa would be thrilling to watch and with Cleverley and Anderson chipping in with the attacking force.

I have been thinking this because our wingers have been so poor and it seems pointless to be starting them at this current time.

Just think about it, if Strootman was in there instead of Anderson the side would look extremely strong. Especially if Vidic, Rafa and Evans kept fit too.

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04 Apr 2013 17:56:31
i completely agree and think that we should use that line up on monday, no doubt we will go with the same old valencia on the right and young or welbeck on the left and create nothing, be slow boring and predictable. i'd take anything we can get and aslong as we win the league I don't care how bad our play has been this year but for next season I hope things change and get some excitement and flair back in our game

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I've been saying for so e time that we need to modernize our tactics. Instead, it will be the usual two crap wingers and city will have lots of possession and penetration.
Saf, please do something about this.
Nomidfield

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NoMidfield, fair point, but how were our tactics against Madrid? SAF seems to be able to figure it out when needed, but. Agree he sometimes sticks to the same old same old

AJH

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04 Apr 2013 13:51:51
Did anyone see Benzema's high challenge last night? what a liberty, not even a card to go with it. It just adds to the feeling we were well and truly robbed against Madrid.

Keyz {Ed002's Note - Suck it up and try not to be so embarrassing.}

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Wise words.

-JakeW

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I agree with Ed002 you sound like a self pitying scouser

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Simply gratuitous Rainfish

Puzzled

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04 Apr 2013 11:48:37
With rumours of us targeting players such as Gotze, thiago and Rodriguez does anyone else think that we could make a move for a young high profile attacking midfielder/winger in the summer? And maybe a new centre back with Jones looking likely to be moved into midfield and vidic's ongoing injuries being a worry, maybe hummels, garay or varane? Just hope we don't sign lewandowski upfront because we have 4 good strikers and it would be such a waste of money when we could do with players elsewhere. In my opinion what we have is a great team but not many world class players which is why we could do with spending money in the summer but not to the extent of city or Chelsea. We should invest wisely on players we can get some good years out of and who will take us to New heights. {Ed002's Note - I assume you have never read any of the posts at all before?}

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I Think we will make a move for Benfica player but your guess is as good as mine and I don't believe it is a defender.

Rumours going around we had a bid for rodriguez turned down last week. Ed002 is that true?

Shahram {Ed002's Note - I would not be so sure about Rodriguez.}

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04 Apr 2013 10:30:51
Hi Guys

Can I just discuss something that is really winding me up about these pages recently. Why is everyone talking like the title race is over. And then going on about summer targets. City are back to full strength and have by far the easier run in. We have to play them, Chelsea and a struggling Villa at home as well as having to travel to Stoke, West Ham Arsenal and West Brom.

I don't want to appear a doom mongrel but who like me has a horrible feeling of de ja vu here. People even themselves writing them off to ease the pressure off them. The good column can be turned round in a couple of games, and who has really come away from the Reading and Sunderland games feeling invigorated. We look gone to me

This title race is by no means over and anybody who thinks otherwise is a rival hoping they are wrong or a very naive person. Don't be one of them.

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Don't want to get too depressed or worried unduly, but our recent form certainly doesn't fill me will confidence. 3 points dropped against Citeh plus another slip up elsewhere and it will definately be squeaky-bum time again. Let's hope lightening doesn't strike twice! I know where you're coming from Mike and like you am nervous but let's trust in SAF.
RedSince68

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The reason why people are quite complacent about it is because a result against city and by that I mean not losing and 2 wins regains the title.

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I for one think its over as as it stands in the remaining 8 games, even if city won every single one, no draws even against us we would only need 10 points to make sure they couldn't catch us. On a brighter note if we beat them we would only need 4 points from 7 games to put the league out of reach for them

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Mike
I am equally concerned and posted a couple of days ago about the real importance of the City result and that we need Rooney playing

The recent standard of our performances have fallen off and we seem to have hit a wall. Mondays game is a lot bigger than most realise

Red Man

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Mike,

I agree 100% the title race is not over and the people suggested it already is in the press and on TV are doing my head in. They are making out like it is so easy and we don't need to celebrate when we win it. Look how city celebrated last season, we should be celebrating like that on the day the title is clinched (if we clinch it).

I am pretty confident that we will now but until it is mathematically impossible for them to catch us I will not be celebrating or discussing any summer transfer dealings.

Some people on here need to concentrate on the present rather than what is going to happen in 3 months time, I get the feeling some people have been spoilt with winning titles and supporting United.

The premier league is not an easy trophy to win, whatever the scousers and other fans try and tell us about how easy it has been this season, if we win it we deserve it and 25 wins from 30 games would suggest we have been the best team all year, we just need to finish the season off professionally.

Come on you reds!

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Red Man, I always feel more confident when Rooney's name is on the teamsheet. The team seem to have more confidence when he is playing. He has had a good couple of week's rest and RvP would have had a week's rest too. We are always pumped up for the derby so i'd expect at least a draw and that should be enough to seal the 20th league title.

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I expect a draw at best and would not be surprised if we lose. We will still win the league though no matter what the result is this weekend. It would be good test to see how we play, as I don't believe there will be any shortage of desire or motivation. Let's see if our football matches our desire.

Shahram

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Don't worry mike I have a cunning plan my luck at the bookies has been non existant this year so I, ve just put a tenner on city to win the prem at 80/1 so were bound to win now and it will be the best tenner I, ve ever lost
Onecut {Ed003's Note - Why not just put a quid on ;P }

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04 Apr 2013 09:51:28
Watched Lewandoski again last night and again I was not impressed. For a top class striker he misses far too many chances and does not seem to offer much of a physical challenge especially in the air. His movement is good and this appears to be his main assett, as with another former centre forward of ours, Garry Birtles. Just hope the rumours of a possible summer transfer are off the mark.
Raffa

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I told u not to hype lewi too much. He's not as good as people make out, and certainly not as good as Hernandez.
Nomidfield

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04 Apr 2013 09:51:16
Whilst scrolling down the page I saw a post that said our goalkeeper now is better than Peter Schmeichel. I know he's had a good season but he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Schmeichel! Next you will all be saying cleverley's better than scholes in his prime!

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04 apr 2013 08:28:01
ed this is my 4th posts now asking the same question, why are my posts not being placed on the main thread?
is what i'm sending not approved of?
please tell me why.

pj {Ed002's Note - You haven't posted anything for two days at all and aside from the usual whining, the "I want Manchester United to buy ...." and the list of teams I don't see much worthy of the Rumours pages. Your posts like everyone elses of the same ilk go on the Banter page where they belong. The lists of teams go on the Teams page where they belong. Your constant bleating and whining is irritating and you need to stop it or I will stop it for you.}

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PJ,

Are you deliberately being an person? Every day I come on here and see you moaning, surely you have realised that by doing that you are annoying the Ed's and that is probably why they don't get posted.

Post something sensible and it will get posted, if it doesn't get posted (4 posts asking the same thing are unlikely to) then get over it or go to a different site. This is a banter site not a PJ moaning site to advertise your blog or whatever you do.

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Someone tired

Ross

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Kapow right in the kisser

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Yeh and Ed002 has answered your Q time and time again!

If you can't read the replies there's not much point posting in the first place.

HBadger

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04 Apr 2013 05:43:17
Hi Ed002,

I know that you didn't have a very favourable opinion of Strootman and prefer other targets over him.

I see that you refrain from making a comment on him nowadays, has he done anything to convince you?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea where you got that idea. Point me at the posts where I have said anything of the like.}

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Japs, it was Ed 004 who didn't rate Strootman too highly, with his lack of pace a major reason for that.
But with us constantly linked to Strootman, he seems to have gotten around the idea.

Mick

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Hi Ed002,

My bad. got mixed up with the nos. there.

Thanks Mick for correcting me on that!

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04 Apr 2013 06:54:38
Watching an impressive Dortmund last night it struck me that they have a lot of good players, but more than that, they play well as a unit.

I have read that we would like Hummels, Goetze etc. Perhaps the biggest prize to get from Dortmund would be the manager?

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That's whom I want to replace fervid when he leaves, look at how good the Dortmund team is then remember in his reign they have only spent something like 25-30 mill as he focuses on promoting youth.

With our current crop of daelhi januzja Wilson vermijl van velzen etc I think that this guy would be perfect

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04 Apr 2013 03:50:35
What that the same Gotze that people here have been praising for the last few weeks?. some of you even said we should sell Rooney and buy him?. Lad's atrocious, he is young, I grant you, may go on to become world class but will NEVER replace Rooney. Had 2 great chances in the game, hit both straight at the keeper + he will take at least a season to settle if he comes to the PL. SO NO, we cannot sell Rooney, not now, not today, not ever. End Of!

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Ah ok so not that you are making a snap judgement but you are basing this on one game? I am guessing if you watched Rooney quite often this season you would see him hit 4 or 5 shots straight at the keeper and have no baring on the result of our matches.

Can you not see how ridiculous your post is, we cannot sell Rooney because you watched another player in one match and he was rubbish?

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I would be soooo happy if we brought goetze
Chris the REDman

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It always amuses me when people use the term "end of" at the end of a post, as if that is suddenly the debate settled.

TK-Red

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I will take that shit player goetze, I am sure we can give him a few games a season as a squad player behind our superstar midfielders :)

Shahram

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04 Apr 2013 01:08:13
Well in light of the recent critisisem many of our players have been subject to, I would like to point out something SAF said. Apparently Antonio Valencia is the only player who actually worked hard enough in our recent match against Chelsea.

He played 2 full games for Ecuador, than flew back to manchester, started the Sunderland game and 2 days later started the Chelsea game. 4 full matches in 10 days.

He might not have reached the impossible standards he put last season, he might be struggling with injuries, a loss of form, and an obvious loss of confidence, but Antonio Valencia is one hard working, dedicated professional.

No player goes through a whole carrer without suffering during difficult patches: Pirlo at the end of his Milan days, Giggs arpund 2001-2002, Scholes in 2009-2010, Rooney in 2010, Xavi when he replaced Guardiola and many more. These are some of the finest players of their generationa. We can't expect every single one of our players to be on top form every season. Valencia, despite lacking the talent these guys have, is going through a very difficult season and he is still the fittest most hard working player of the squad.

So those who want him gone, and would rather have Nani because he is more talented, I would like you to point out a single game where he worked nearly as hard as Valencia does. Having players like AV, Chicharito, Cleverley, Welbeck and even Young, who are just happy beeing here and do their best every time they are asked to play, is what seperates us from the likes of City and Chelsea. Even if we don't think they are good enough for the starting 11, having squad players is necessary. It's not their fault Saf is not buying more quality, they are happy to be squad players and understudies. So let's not turn on our own players and criticise them for not beeing part of the elite talented footballers. For all we know they work as hard as anyone else and are just happy to be given a chance. They are still essential to us. Now if the Glazers are not giving Ferguson the transfer kitty we would like, our dedicated players should not suffer the wrath of our dissapointment.

Mick

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Great post. United has always had a core of hard working, behind-the-scenes sort of players that make the team tick. For people to want him gone after one poor season when he was player of the year in the previous campaign is ridiculous. Out of the three wingers, I would honestly hope to see Young sold, but I'm pretty sure Nani will be making way in the summer.

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Agreed. But you can't win titles by just having a squad full of hard working players. That's why we have players with different skills

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I agree with a lot of wot u said apart from they are happy to be squad players, how do u know that? And tbh I would hope there not happy, granted know one can fault there attitude in regards to not rocking the boat, but they are supposed top players, joining Manchester United should only be the start of there careers not the height, as I have said about toni, the lad is entitled to an off season but young, nani etc should now be pushing every game to be first choice not just settling for the bench and a game every other week. Its not there fault fergie didn't buy big but fergie put his trust in them when paying good money for them and tbh they haven't delivered.
Chris the REDman

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I agree on Valencia and have never advocated we should sell him. But Nani and Young have been a waste of money for first 11 or even squad players.

Shahram

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