Manchester United Banter Archive August 04 2013

 

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04 Aug 2013 22:46:21
Does anybody else think Barca are trying
to force us to make a fresh bid for Cesc
its as if they want his transfer money to
go and get a defender and stop us
targeting any other midfielders

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04 Aug 2013 22:41:36
People need to keep calm, for one thing all this panic is giving the scousers and the chavskis the time of their lives.

We are becoming a joke to them, and it's not due to our lack of transfer activity but because of our reactions as fans.

They are revelling in all this "Moyes doesn't know what he's doing" "why haven't we signed anyone" "Our team is crap" ect ect ect.

We have a very good squad that brushed everyone aside last season without getting out of second gear.

We have some excellent young players who will only be better and stronger next season. Players such as DDG, Rafael, Fabio, Jones, Smalling, Micheal Keane, Cleverley, Welbeck, Hernandez, Kagawa, Lingard, Januzaj, Zaha ect.

Moyes is a very good man manager and repeatedly gets the best out of his players, and he is a good tactician. He will grow into his new role and have a good career with us if we give him a chance. He is also very good in the transfer window, this season is going to be tough due to the lack of time he has had to prepare for it.

There is still 29 god damn days left in the transfer window, learn some bloody patience. It is more important that we sign the right players rather than we just sign some body quickly. We signed Djemba-Djemba and Bebe quickly because other clubs were supposedly moving for them, we signed Kleberson on the back of a decent world cup without properly scouting him. If rushed we could end up making some expensive mistakes.

All this panicking is just showing us up as fans and showing our club up. let's learn alittle patience and wait at least until the end of the transfer window before we moan about the quality or lack of our signings. Because the scousers are having a whale of a time watching us squirm.

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Couldn't agree more Shappy.

Ozwald

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Everybody knows what we need despite the young players coming thru! If we don't buy a great/world class (influential player) we'll struggle!

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Shappy while I do agree in theory that all this panicking is extremely counter productive for the fans and is giving us a bad image in regards to the rest of the top teams, you have to concede that it is getting slightly worrying.

Fair enough you say there's 29 days left in the window, but equally we're on day 36 of it with nothing but a young RB to show for it and Zaha who will be a great player, but won't be making 30 odd appearances for us this season.

We don't need to go back over the areas that need strengthening, anyone who reads this site or watches United know what needs to be done.

Eds just for the purpose of banter and to reply to Shappy's post, I want to include a team line up. so hope you post it!

Right now, with no additional signings or exits. this is, IMO, our strongest team: DDG, Rafael, Vidic, Evans, Evra, Carrick, Cleverley, Kagawa, Rooney, Young, RVP (Young gets it over Valencia as I think he's the more fluid player). Now there's some big names in that team but contrast that to our biggest rivals for this season, Chelsea: Cech, Ivanovic, Terry, Luiz, Cole, Ramires, Lampard, Hazard, Schurrle, Mata, Lukaku. For me, that Chelsea midfield 5 is stronger than ours. in fact the only place I think we're stronger is up front.

Add to that the other names that Chelsea can call on. Oscar, Cahill, Torres (who I think will be sold though), Van Ginkel, De Bruyne, Bertrand. yes we may have depth, but the quality of our depth is not as good I believe. Nani, Rio, Anderson, Fabio, Valencia. again the only place we excel is up front with Hernandez.

It's the same situation with City. Navas, Negredo, Fernandinho and Jovetic will all make an instant impact. and that's what we desperately need. Thiago and Strootman would have made that impact, Fabregas certainly would. Di Maria, Ozil, Rodriguez etc etc.

While I am confident we will sign players, I am genuinely worried we are leaving it very late to conduct business. I sincerely hope there's a lot of work going on behind the scenes (and I'm sure there is). I think if it gets to the middle of next week without any signings, it really will be squeaky bum time!

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Amen, brother. Amen.

StevieK

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Shappy
Was there someone actually moving in for djemba x2 and bebe?
Of course there are a few weeks left till the transfer window, but we play Swansea away, city away and Chelsea home and liverpool away in our difficult start to the season.
It will be great if we have a defensive midfielder before we play these teams.
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05 Aug 2013 10:30:26
Andy, its just the way things have had to pan out this summer. From the moment Sir Alex retired it was obvious that our transfer activity was going to take longer than usual.

Moyes had to settle in and assess the squad before any movement could be made.

I'm honestly not worried, we coasted last season and finished 11 points clear. If we keep the same squad and up the level we play too then we will get more points next season than we got last season. Plus we have a lot of young players with world class potential, there is no reason why one or two of those won't step up and realise their potential.

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05 Aug 2013 10:40:01
Nomidfield, supposedly there were other teams interested which prompted us moving for them.

And yes we have a very tricky start to the season. But the league isn't won or lost by October. Everyone has to play the same fixtures over the course of the season. Yes it would be good to get a good start to the season, but its not the end of the world if we don't win all our opening games.

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04 Aug 2013 21:41:11
hi guys, the players from team's like sevilla, atletico madrid and porto, they sign 4 top teams but we where not after these players. players we want play's 4 top clubs like real and barca and they are difficult 2 get because of I think they fear us because we are a big brand and we are rival's, we fitgh against them 2 show they world witch club is the biggest so they are afraid of strengthing use so maybe that's why they play hardball. hope not. zee:)

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I would of taken Moutinho, Rodriguez etc in a heart beat. Moutinho was one of my favourite picks.

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Zee and fresh, u are both right. Fresh, I said a year ago that moutinho is a superb player. He took on the Spain midfield on his own during last world cup and Portugal should have won that game. He went for a reasonable amount of money, and yet we didn't even try to sign him. He is good in the tackle, excellent passer, and is tactically aware.
Now, we are trying to chase untenable targets by the looks of it.
Nomidfield

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I hope we sign some good player's soon, fresh, nomidfield who do u guy's think we will get, I hope we get cr7 back he was the world's best player he won everything with us, i'm 100% sure if he know he will not win a lot's of thropys in spain and that he will always be nr 2 in spain because of messi then he would have never left. back back home cr7, in spain they cheat, barca are nr 1 on diveing and drug useing, they became nr1 without playing fair but karma are hunting them now, and it is not finished with barca, chelsea, gurdiola, bayern and some teams have been taking by karma like the team's from serie a (juventus) so I just wanna say every thing going to be allrigth. united. united. have a nice day, member's of the red army, and ed's hope u guys have enjoyed the summer, :) zee

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04 Aug 2013 18:52:45
So Neymar has a 'blood condition' (Anaemia apparently). Seems quite strange to me that this was only picked up after his move to Barca, who have been linked to blood doping for a long time.

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Anaemia is a decrease of the number of red blood cells in the body.

Blood doping consists of actually taking blood transfusions in order to increase the number of blood cells in the body.

Your logic is extremly flawed

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04 Aug 2013 21:01:48
Barcelona director claims united have given up on fabregas.

Oh well wonder what the odds on fellani joining us are now

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04 Aug 2013 20:50:37
Who agrees with Schmeical that Ibrahimovic would be the perfect Manchester United signing? To replace Rooney? He is a fantastic player but I'm not sure that I agree on this one!

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Nearly 32 and on a wage that makes Rooneys look small
Jred

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No chance ill give the Danish goalie benefit of doubt he should know Uniteds success was built on team spirit not just talent.
No wonder he's never managed no people's skills
Dylan

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Ummmm no in a word. He is the biggest egotistical nightmare on the planet. He would expect to start ahead of RvP and would want more wages and would still cost a lot from PSG.

based on pure ability their are few better, but when you consider the cost, his age and the fact that you will also be nuying his demons then no he would be a awful buy.

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I wouldn't sign him but he is a quality personality for a laugh.

When probed (by a female journie) if rumours about him being gay were true he replied 'come to my house and you will see if I am gay, and bring a friend!' Classic!

She probably went too ;)

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Swapping Rooney for Ibra would be criminal. I agree with Jred.

Sydney!

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04 Aug 2013 20:24:44
can someone give the details of the fantasy league

website, pin etc.

Thanks

TRUMORS

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I have resigned myself to the fact that we will start the season with Carrick and Giggs in CM. Anything else is a bonus.

SLred

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TK-Red posted this

For the fantasy. premierleague.com league I set up the code is:

15522-6942

TK-Red

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Anyone got a sun dream team league set up please?

Malito!

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Thanks!


TRUMORS

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04 Aug 2013 19:57:26
Is it me or has every post on a sunday ended with 'it should be a very interesting week'? I think you are all secretly jinxing us. Also every rumour is just someone reading the gutter press and posting it as their very own source. Come on guys!

1redarmy

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I know there are lot of people posting on here that we should get rid of Anderson, but personally I think this team would do the business: De Gea, Rafael, Rio, Vidic, Baines, Carrick, Fellaini, Anderson, Kagawa, Rooney, Van Persie playing in a 4-3-1-2 formation. Anderson in my opinion will be back to how he was when he first signed. ( Remember v Liverpool, we battered `em for 90 mins AND Gerrard hardly touched the ball, Ando was all over him like a rash. Man Of The Match by a mile. His injury appears to be behind him now & I hope he plays a big part for us.

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We will not get both Baines and Fellaini, Everton will just not play ball with us. We may get 1 of them but not both.

Rooney will submit a transfer request and like it or not he will be off to Chelski.

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Anderson has played around five good matches in 6 years. So don't get your hopes up.
Do you ever see him playing for Brazil?
Nomidfield

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04 Aug 2013 19:38:05
With hope on Fabregas seemingly dwindling, Marchisio wanting to stay at Juventus, Modric not being allowed to leave Madrid (yet) and Schweinsteiger not being an option we may have to turn to Cabaye or Fellaini. If we get either I will be very happy as both are good players, but which would be better for our current squad? My plan would be sign Fellaini and then move for Gundogan next season.

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Agreed, Gundogen would be used as replacement for Carrick who will be playing less by next season due to age. Fellaini, if brought in, must play his natural position of DM, we have Rooney and Kagawa who can play in the hole behind RVP. Well that's if moyes is going to go with 4231. wouldn't mind 433 with Nani Rvp Zaha up top, just to see how they play together.

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Thats a tough one. Fellaini is closer to the type of midfielder I feel we need. And Cabaye is the better player of the two and is a very good all round midfielder.

Personally i'd prefer Cabaye, he is the better footballer and the more rounded and there for more tactically flexible.

There are much better technically gifted DM's about available for much less money.

If we got Cabaye and one of Lars Bender/Schneiderlin/Romulo then we would be well placed in midfield. Then we just need a more reliable left back and possibly a creative player to play futher forward. Possibly we could insist on Mata being involved in any deal for Rooney to go to Chelsea, that way we wouldn't be strengthening a rival by selling them Wayne as we would be taking one of their key players away in turn.

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Gundogan is our best option, if we have to wait a year then so be it. In the mean time get Fellaini who offers us something different to every single player in our squad.

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Until the player himself declares he is going no-where, I still think there is a chance. It could be that Barca just want an amount that is well over his actual value; so if we want him, we will have to pay more than the guy is probably worth:They have something we want, and they will make us pay through the nose for it. That's just modern football.

Slred

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Carrick playing less by next season due to age? Are you for real?

Ryan.

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Duh, clearly Carrick will be 1st choice until he is 39

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" Carrick playing less because of age"

I thought he was 32 not 50

Carl

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Gundongan is another unrealistic target. Dortmand will not be selling any more players.

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04 Aug 2013 19:24:22
So barca claim we understand their position on Cesc and have moved on? I will believe it when I hear it from Moyes' mouth. If both sides confirm it, then it is obviously true, until then its just a game of cloak and dagger imo.

I think a lot will become clear before Rio's testimonial. We are in for a very interesting week regardless.

REDFAITH

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I get the impression Barcelona are trying to hurry a final MU bid for Cesc. They keep talking about him and us. I think we are making them stew and little before we make a final bid. Well at least that's what I am hoping anyway ;)

Sydney!

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The silence from Fabregas has been important and he has said nothing when one tweet would have ended it and that may happen of course. What it may mean is that if he wants to leave he will have to ask to and forfeit his loyalty bonus.

I find it hard to believe we would put such time and effort in to just give up but stranger things have happened.

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It was the sporting director, and not the Chairman.

They keep talking about the transfer when we have stayed silent. That tells me that they want to conclude a deal, as they fear we might have latched on to other targets.

Slred

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Slred, I agree. I think Barcelona are waiting for our 3rd bid. I hope they take it seriously as I think it will be our last. MU seem to have been making them stew for well over a week, I think Barcelona need the money and hopefully will accept the next offer. Then it's in Cesc's hands. AW has said to his knowledge and he smiled while saying it, his knowledge is that he will do one more year at Barcelona. So if MU do agree a deal at least his excuse for not entering the race is sealed. I think now is a good time to get a bid agreed due to Arsenal wanting Suarez, I don't think they will buy both.

Sydney!

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04 Aug 2013 18:10:16
The Barca chairman has come out and said that we have given up on Fabregas. mind games, truth? What are your thoughts! Have we had another bid turned down without it going public?

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Maybe when they said he wasn't for sale they meant it

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I think it was always a stretch and looks like back to the drawing board for us.

Should be a few interesting weeks ahead of us.


Shahram

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It's not over yet and the mood music from Barca has clearly changed. It looks as if the ball is in Cesc's court now and if he wants to join us he'll need to make it clear. If he thought Ronny was coming too then that might persuade him.

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Not a peep has come from the actual player so now I am thinking that Barca are sweating a bit. From what I have watched like everyone else they always seemed to be holding all the cards but now it all seems to have changed, I believe the player wants to come to us, Barca cannot pursue further targets and the they are trying to screw every penny out of the deal. I think he will probably know he is basically pimped for the best price and would jump at the opportunity to join us. As for a return to Arsenal no chance!

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04 Aug 2013 17:46:57
Zubizarreta (director): "We count on Cesc, we're delighted to have him. United said they understand our position and won't try any longer. "

Manred

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So now we go for fellaini and even some of the fans who wanted a big name signing will be quite happy because at least we got someone.
Add baines and then then the announcement that Rooney is staying is fit and chomping at the bit and most fans are happy even though all we have done is get the Everton manager and 2 of his players.
Quite clever really

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Jred, no one's that stupid surely? Saying that Baines & Fellaini is half the job done. A left-winger and a creative midfielder is still needed.

Sydney!

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Jred I hope what you're saying doesn't happen.

Singh

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Syd
read some of the posts on here over the past few days, people maybe are
Jred

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Sing
I hope I'm wrong too.
Honestly I would be quite happy with one world class creative cm but we are running out of options imo
Syd
I would like a top class lw but I'm starting to think zaha will get a chance and maybe nani
Jred

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Jred, who would you like for left-wing? Barring Ronaldo of course.

I do like Draxler and Reus, but neither are available right now. Sadly.

Sydney!

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Syd
We should of broke the bank for hazard.
I like reus, draxler is quality but I think he will end up as a acm.
Maria is a top player and could be available could do well in the EPL would be very good in Europe.
But I would go for Pedro, underrated good on the ball quick and scores goals also could be available
Jred

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Why on earth are papers linking us with Schweiny? We're more likely to sign Santa Claus.

Getting fed up with this transfer window now.

Ozwald

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04 Aug 2013 21:53:29
You seen Ed02's intersting post yet Sydney? If not check the rumour oage here and check martins postnfrom yesterday and red the posts!

Manred

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Jred, I agree with ALL of that.

Sydney!

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Manred, yes mate. I get the impression he means Liverpool could bid for Kokorin. As he mentioned big names in football, but he isn't one. As he was initially talking to a Liverpool fan I think it may have been a hint to the Liverpool fans.

Sydney!

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04 Aug 2013 18:00:24
Not saying signing Ronaldo wouldn't be great, but I don't see it happening, if its going to be anyone from real Madrid, it will be modric, or if the bale deal goes through, possibly di maria. but ultimately I think moyes should give up on fabregas and go after marchisio, as the fabregas deal hinges on lots of different factors, fo example, arsenal still have first option even if we agree a fee.

MOYESBOYS

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Been saying for a long time Real have the players we need! Modric, Di Maria, Khedira, Coentrao. I would take 3 of those happily.

REDFAITH

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04 Aug 2013 17:39:34
ed, why did the predictions get deleted? {Ed029's Note - I am told because they should have been on a different page.}

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04 Aug 2013 17:32:06
Anyone know of any interest in will Hughes of derby? Looks a class act!

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I think he'd rather play week in week out than not play for us, but a deal that is triggered in a couple of years time could be great.

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He'd get on our side atm that's for sure!

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04 Aug 2013 17:30:32
my mates dad works in a French restaurant and he says that Monaco are going to bid for Ronaldo.

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That rumour is going around in france, but there's no chance of it happening.

monaco don't have enough poll to lure the likes of Ronaldo. Falcao, yes but not players like Ronaldo. They don't play in the champions league and would have to pay him astronomical wages in order for him to move, and with the FFP already on their behinds, it just doesn't make sense from either sides

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Are you being serious lol

shahram

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It's plausible if Ronaldo does not get the pay rise he's after from Madrid, but that won't happen for a couple of years.

He will leave on a free, take a big tax free signing on fee and a huge salary to go with it

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04 Aug 2013 17:21:18
So realistically who do you think we will get this summer? I personally think that if by aug 8th we haven't signed Ronaldo i'm not sure we will. Aug 9th has been rumoured for some time to be a big day for united and I feel it will be a big signing! I feel Fabregas will either be signed this week or not at all, apparently a 35 or 40 mill bid ready but we will see! If Fabregas doesn't come then expect a bid for fellaini but I think Reus could be an option. Baines has been rumoured but we don't need him, we have evra, buttner and fabio, I don't think anyone else will come though. I think this week could be big for united for some reason let's wait and see if moyes and woodward can do anything

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04 Aug 2013 16:52:47
Will Hughes of derby looks like he'll have a bright future ahead of him

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Just came on here to write something very similar. Good touch, quick feet, eye for a pass. Not seen much of him to be honest but read a lot of praise on here. Still very raw and playing at a lower level so bound to stand out, but played well today and I'd like to think he's on United's radar at least.

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04 Aug 2013 16:01:07
why not. valencia + plus 10m for marcisio. rooney + nani + 40m for ronaldo, cleverly smalling and anderson for baines and felani. 35m for febregas. spend 85m. sell evra and hernandez recoup 25 m. net spend 60m''''' final squad gk,, degea, amos, lindergard,, right backs de silva twins, left backs baines, buttner, centre backs jones evans ferdinand vidic. midfield febregas, carrick, felani, marcisio, januzai, giggs, forwards young ronaldo zaha rvp welbeck lingard. great squad with only 60m spent. and a reduced wage bill overall. all in a perfect world

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You want to get rid of 8 players from the first team squad and keep rio and giggs? That would be an absolute disaster but obviously all opinions welcome. Just glad you aren't in charge.

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Why u want to sell smalling and hernandz both of them are future of united

sid

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You couldn't even do that on FIFA h

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Juventus have no interest in Valencia, Madrid have no interest in either Rooney or Nani, noone is interested in Anderson, should I go on?

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You forgot kagawa?! And why sell Hernandez?
Nomidfield

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Can't understand the people here who would get rid of Smalling, he's going to be class in 2-3 years. In the 2011-12 season he was immense at the back when he got a good run of games, scored important goals against City and Chelsea!

Ozwald

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It looks like we don't have any players that clubs would be interested in.

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03 Aug 2013 22:21:56
Ed I see they are getting everyone to register on liverpool site, is it going to become mandatory on here?
I hope so, also if it is, is it likely we will see the return the much missed Ed02? {Ed029's Note - Right now just Liverpool.}

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03 Aug 2013 20:39:59
Guys this was posted on the liverpool page should we be worried?

Not reelly a conspiracy theory but nevertheless good publication for the tv on perhaps a slow day? {Ed02's Note - Not deliberately "favouring" Kev but the high profile clubs will always pull more headlines. And Liverpool has a lot of fans who are vocal with their opinions - hence the responses. People care about the "big name" transfers so Suarez, Falcao, Rooney, Kokorin, Cavani, Tevez, Khedira, Higuain, Negredo etc. will always be top of the list. I am sure it will be easier next week when Manchester United fans are being "vocal" about the headlines Kev. }


Red91 {Ed029's Note - I think he was simply saying that Man Utd will be in the headlines sometime this week. When asked he said he could only give examples, but it might be because of Chelsea's new bid for Rooney or Ronaldo signing a new contract at Real Madrid or an off for Marouane Fellaini.}

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Either way at least we will see something happen hopefully!

REDFAITH

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03 Aug 2013 20:39:15
Such a shame that people ruined this site!
I mean it's still a good read and I still read daily but I always felt Ed02 was a such a good replier and seemed to have a great incite to united. (No disrespect to other eds, because I love all the replays you guys give!)
But since people was disrespect to the eds and others for me it just hasn't been the same.
Miss the old days.

Thanks in advance for the goss and rumours people.
UNITED WE ARE!

BowlDonBowl

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04 Aug 2013 14:29:15
So as people have pointed out we are a club not known for doing the big signings but for turning gems into world class. Well if that's the case let's target the likes Classie Vilhenna Hughes Adryan all players we have been previously linked with, all you and promising and would be cheap and I'm sure would snap our hand off to come wear the shirt

19JackC94

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I'd normally agree but we have a stack of peole with potential. Right now we are crying out for proven class.

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Jack,

Unfortunately moyes isn't going to be given the time by the fans to buy players like this and build stars. He needs to hit the ground running, buy top quality players and start off like a house on fire.

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Gds2 is right, we need to start very well especially with the difficult fixture list we have. I hope we can pull off two major signings this week as our midfield needs strengthening before the start of the season.
Nomidfield

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04 Aug 2013 13:57:48
More than the players we'll sign, this season we must change our gameplay! We can't be so slow and boring even against weaker teams. We need to play more attractive football and of course, winning games.

More than have superstar players, we need to play a Manchester United football way. No Barca, no Bayern, we need to do our way, so that other teams can look at us and try to copy our system. Not just play until the 80's and wait for the luck shot.

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Spot on, rumour had it Berbatov was sold because SAf wanted to play a faster more fluid game. We didn't really see it last year when a lot of games were pedestrian and one paced. I'm delighted we won the title and always look for the positive but there were some games last year when I was bored.

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Reason being is our midfield has no energy. We need to address that.
Nomidfield

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Perhaps you should change your name to Noenergy?

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04 Aug 2013 13:31:42
So then guys, what are your fantasy teams so far?

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04 Aug 2013 13:22:32
Interesting that with every day that passes without a top quality signing or any signing for matter and people are more and more coming round to the idea of keeping Rooney.

I keep reading that without a top signing then selling Rooney would make us weaker. That is true if you are only looking at it from a playing ability point of view.

But what about a personal point of view?

Imagin now if your Kagawa or Hernandez or Valencia or any member of the squad for that matter. And you are working hard, trying your best and helping contribute to the team. Then you look over at Wayne Rooney, a player who isn't working hard, who isn't contributing or trying his best and the reason he isn't is because he no longer wants to be on your team, he doesn't want to be your team mate and as such he can't be bothered to do the work needed. And to rub salt into the wound he is getting paid more than anyone else at the club.

How would that make you feel? How would that effect the team morale? How damaging could that be to our title aspirations?

If Rooney is going to stay then it can only be if he is willing to put the work in, he will have to put in 100% effort.

Forget us fans for a minute, he will have to win back the dressing room.

If he can't/won't do that then he will have to be sold for the good of the club.

If we look across the city to Man City, they were poor in the first half of the season but came stronger after January. This is after they sold Balotelli, from a playing ability point of view they should have been weaker, but because they removed a bad influance in the squad they were stronger.

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I think the priorities should be Leftback (that can defend) and a defensive midfielder.

Rooney should stay, under Moyes' fitness training I think he could come back to the leaner Rooney we saw in 08.

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Shappy

Even Rooney (looking like not working hatd) scored 15+ goals and 15+ assists, so, it does not matter in wich way we put it, we'll be weaker if he goes!

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04 Aug 2013 13:55:58
Its got nothing to do with fitness its about whether Rooney WANTS to stay, if he doesn't want to it doesn't matter how fit he is. With a lack of motivation he will have a bad effect on the team morale.

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Not sure about the effect on team morale, he seem a very popular player in the dressing room.
Also it world cup year so a good season for him is vital
Jred

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I think if he's told he's playing regular and is first choice (in the hole) then he will be fine Shappy.

JK92

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04 Aug 2013 14:19:15
If Rooney doesn't play then someone else will do, we won't just play with 10 men because Rooney isn't here anymore.

Kagawa could step up and get 10 more goals and 10 more assists then he got last season.

Valencia, Nani and Young could rediscover some form and get 15 goals and 15 assist between them.

Zaha, Januzaj and Lingard may get 12 goals/assists between them this season.

RvP, Hernandez and Welbeck could all get more goals next season than they got last season with increased playing time.

Any or all of these things are likely to happen next season, all of which would easily replace the goals/assist that Rooney brought the team next season.

And we may well yet buy another attacking player.

Alternatively we could keep an unhappy Rooney who could upset the team morale and then get injuried and be out for most of the season.

Forget about what he brings on the pitch, this post is about whether keeping him could destroy the dressing room. If it could then he will have to go regardless of what we lose on the pitch.

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I think you know the answer to the question already. Posters who like him are willing to overlook everything under the guise of we are better with him and will argue for keeping him. If he stays get ready for an average and poor rooney but then off course they will defend him being sh. t that he is not motivated or fit.

In a way I hope he stays so we can just close this chapter and if dm starts subbing him and starting others then we know its the player and can't be the manager as some here like to think.

shahram

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Completely agree shappy.
I honestly can't believe how many people seem to think that losing him would be a disaster, yes he contributed goals and assists last season despite not playing well but I agree others would step up and fill the gap if rooney left like chicho and kags.
Iv made my feelings about rooney clear before and that hasn't changed but it still amazes me that some on here think he's done no wromg and that the club is at fault.
Apparently he is popular in the dressing room but any uncertainty at a club can damage team spirit and we don't need that.
My worry is that if he gets an improved contract now it sends the wrong message to the squad and if he doesn't get one by christmas we could have the same situation as 3 years ago which again would affect the squad.
He doesn't love the club and people need to realise that for him its all about wayne rooney. don't get me wrong he's not the only player to put himself first but the fact is we want players who want to play for the club. personally I don't think he'l push for a move as he'd have to lose any loyalty bonus and his money spinning testimonial next year! I really hope he doesn't become our all time leading scorer either as the way he held us to ransom and questioned the ambition of englands most successful club and manager disgusts me still and to have a player like that holding such an honour would be a disgrace

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Shappy,

You notice the number of (?) marks in your post. You are waiting for way too many of your assumptions to fall in place for us to offset the loss. Wishfull thinking I will say. I have only a couple of points to back my side of the debate.

1)He is an extremely popular bloke in the dressing room. Read what Kags has been saying about him. So the concept of team morale being affected is b*******.

2)It is WC time, Wayne has to pull his sh!t together. He has got no other option but to perform. So anyway you look at it, him staying will certainly not be bad.

There is hardly anything that he has said about the entire thing. Your entire post is quoting murky tabloids. We are being precious here I think, believe what we want to believe. I think its a non issue, if he stays, am sure he will do well. IF he goes, Best of Luck!

May be a lot of issues that you are talking about don't even exist!

Deeps.

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Sorry shappy, while I totally agree that every player must give their all, one thing we could never accuse of Rooney is his commitment on the pitch. He gives his all.
Of course I agree that he should be doing the same in training, but once on the pitch, he is fully committed.
I think there is no doubt that if he goes to Chelsea, then they will be strong favourites to win the league, and I don't think we can replace him as easy as people think. One injury to rvp and we will struggle badly.
Nomidfield

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04 Aug 2013 15:54:07
I know I do Shahram, i'm just trying to guide others towards the answer.

JK92, do you think any player in the squad should be told they are definately first choice? RvP has said that he expects to have to fight for his place and earn it with performances on the pitch and with the work he puts in during training.

If RvP expects to have to earn his place then why should Rooney just be given his place by good grace?

Rooney's big headedness makes him feel he should be the first name on the teamsheet regardless of how much effort he puts into training or how he's performing on the pitch. In essciense he thinks he's bigger than the club. And we know what happens to players when they think that.

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Shappy
Kagawa welbeck nani young zaha etc.
I think I would rather have Rooney

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Deeps,

He is a very popular guy in the dressing room, but things can change. If it's true and he seriously doesn't want to be at the club how do you think that will effect how the other players see him?

He was sent back from tour for an injury, let continued to play golf and seemed uneffected by this injury. We now find that he played a game behind closed doors the other day and will play a part in the game on tuesday meaning he got over his injury 2/3 weeks ahead of schedual. Although it is abit of guess work it's not beyond the realms of possiblity that he wasn't injuried and he was sent home because of his attitude and Moyes was worried about it effecting the squad. With the injury just being a cover story.

The fact that Wayne hasn't said anything officially speaks volumes for me. Last time when he held the club to ransom he came out and said he was questioning the clubs ambition. But this time he seems to be keeping quite looking down and shuffling his feet nervously. Why has he gone so quiet?

And yes it is world cup year, but lest be honest. England have no chance of even getting to the semi finals, infact I expect us to go out in the group stages. None of the english footballers really believe we can do anything in Brazil. And on top of that Wayne has no competition for his place in the england side. So he knows he can cruse next season and still be first choice.

Nomidfield, Wayne Rooney didn't have the same commitment on the field last season. I lost count of the number of times he just slopply gave the ball away then made no attempt to win it back. It seasons past if he gave the ball away he'd chase it back all the way back to his own goal line to win it back. Now he either shrugs his shoulders or shouts at someone as if it's their fault that he can't pass the ball 10 yards.

Also his tackling and interception stats for last year were the lowest they've been since he was 19 years old. The average distance covered was also much lower than its been in recent seasons.

These show that he isn't working as hard or putting in as much defensive work. Which is shocking concidering he was played deeper last season so should have put more defensive work in as he would be in amougst the action that much more.

Reading between the lines I think Rooney's biggest bug bear is his playing position.

During his career he has mentioned on several occasions that he doesn't like playing out wide but is happy to do a job there while he learns.

He has also said that he sees himself playing deeper later in his career.

But he has said he is in his peak now, and earlier in his career he said he doesn't mind playing wide or deeper while he's learning but he wants to play in his best position when at his peak.

The season before last Rooney had his best season infront of goal, he has said many times his best position is as a striker.

I think he is unhappy as he isn't our main striker anymore. And he isn't our main striker anymore because he isn't our best striker anymore.

So the only way to keep Wayne happy is to play him ahead of RvP or play with two strikers.

If were not going to do either then he won't be happy here. If he's not happy then he won't play at his best. He may also effect the team spirit which we can't afford to happen now Sir Alex has stepped aside.

So to all those Rooney lovers out there, what is your solution. Do we either drop RvP for Rooney or do we play with two strikers and either lose the extra man in the midfield or lose our width by droping our wingers?

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04 Aug 2013 17:49:37
"Came stronger after January".

lol

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Shappy
Lol
On his injury United said he would be out about a month he's been out 3 week Rooney said at the time it wasn't as bad as first feared.
There are people who love Rooney people who hate him.
I find all your above posts above quite biased to be honest I think there is middle ground on the Rooney debate and your a long way from it.

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Shappy

I know this phrase is cliched, but football is a squad game. I think last season SAF stuck with RVP even when he was knackered and was clearly out of his depth. The 10 game barren spell that he had, Wayne came up with the goods.

So the Rooney haters, what are we going to do when RVP gets injured? What is the guarantee that Persie will be able to start from where he left and come flying out of the trap. I love Hernandez, but its evident he isent the same while starting games. The 4th striker that we have, well if we depend on him to get us the goals, I would rather call Ole in from Molde.

Kagawa hasn't taken the PL by storm. Last year he underwhelmed. I am not too sure if he will be the same player he was with BvB because of 2 reasons. Our style of play and the league's physicality. On last years productivity, I would definitely pick Rooney over Kagawa. Ideally they can interchange.

Talking about team morale. Rio Ferdinand seemed to have got along really well with everyone in the dressing room post his rendezvous with Peter Kenyon, that too post his suspension. Evra has been angling for a move but stayed put only because of Fergie. He seems to have burned no bridges. Vidic's wife hated rainy Manchester, didn't make a difference. See my point, these are professional footballers, not sons and daughters of Mother Teresa. I think they will just be fine.

Deeps.

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Lol

Shappy people here have avery polarized view and nothing is going to change that.

I still believe he is going so all this debate will end up being pointless. We will sell if we get 40 million.

Shahram

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"Then you look over at Wayne Rooney, a player who isn't working hard, who isn't contributing or trying his best and the reason he isn't is because he no longer wants to be on your team, he doesn't want to be your team mate and as such he can't be bothered to do the work needed. "

Are you kidding me!

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No Ruud mate i'm not.

I lost count of the number of times Rooney either miscontrolled or misplaced a pass and lost possession and instead of chasing it down like the Rooney of old he either shouted at someone or shrugged his shoulders.

I watched many matches last season where Wayne just seemed like he couldn't be bothered.

Here's an interesting fact for you, did you know Wayne covered less ground last season than he had in any in his career where he had played more than 30 games in a season.

Long story short he either couldn't keep up physically or couldn't be bothered.

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Shappy

perhaps Rooney was instructed to save his energy?

if Rooney was agitating for a move then I think we'd have heard more from him or his people via off the record leaks ala bale or Suarez

I can't imagine Moyes would keep him if he thought he would be a disruptive influence. if we start the new season and he starts being a pain in the arse, he could always train with the reserves and be shipped out in January.

my view is we should play him as a striker alongside rvp in a 4312 with attacking fullbacks, or play 433 with rvp, Rooney and Mr AN Other as a fluid front three.

Rooney will always create and score goals so the more he is given on the pitch to do just that, the happier he will be and we will all benefit.

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Shappy

youre wasting your time mate.
No matter what facts and stats you put forward there will always be the rooney lovers who can see no problem and just look at the goals and assists chart and think he's irreplaceable despite the fact that hernandez only scored 2 less league goals from far fewer minutes on the pitch

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04 Aug 2013 13:19:10
I don't get why RM would sell ronny after they have bought bale. They are a club that buys superstars and want a squad full of them thry didn't sell kaka when they sign ozil. They won't sell ronny if they buy bale. Its just not a sensible move for them they want to win an they know they need ronny aswell as bale so I think an this is my opinion but ronny will stay at madrid.

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04 Aug 2013 11:42:36
For all those 'diehards' who slate everyone panicking at no signings, saying there's plenty of time left in the transfer window, are you really happy that even if we do sign some players it will be at or after the season start, when they will have had no time to gel and settle in? Loads of massive deals have been made all around Europe, and weeks ago, and they have "superstars" already playing pre season games with them.

Those who say transfers take a long time to conclude and to be patient, you are only saying that as it takes United longer than anyone to conclude a transfer. any potential signing of note becomes a long saga, usually with the wrong outcome. Other big teams who want a decent player, you hear about it and a week or two later, bang, he's signed up. What is it about our negotiation style or approach that makes us so inefficient at transfers?

If you make the agents fees etc argument, that we refuse to go down that road, I admire the principle but in reality you have to move with the market or get left behind. You have to spend money on class internationals (not substandard England internationals) to make money.

Ed 004 I'd also request your views on this please.

Rave {Ed004's Note - I agree in a year were there is no world cups etc its best to get all your signings made early on as it allows you to hit the ground running. I firmly believe if Ferguson had stayed on for a year we would have signed Garay, strootman, and thiago by now. They were all his targets though atleast it shows Moyes will be his own man}

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04 Aug 2013 13:50:44
I don't "slate" people for panicing, but I do try and put some perspective into the situation.

We had a new manager come in and he had two options, just blindly sign the players who Sir Alex had lined up regardless of how he wanted the team to play, or to take abit of time and access the players he had and then look for the players he needs to make yhis team play the way he wants them too.

Garay, Strootman and Thiago were the players that Sir Alex wanted. The fact that two of them have moved on without us making a move for them shows that Moyes will pursue his own targets so I doubt we'll move for Garay now. Although its not totally out of the question.

So we have had to start our summer transfer all over from scratch, and that process will have started some time in mid July. Most other teams will have started their disscussions and moves maybe as early as March. So we're a couple of months behind at least.

The important thing isn't how quickly we sign the players we need just that we do sign them. So we still have 29 days yet.

Yes ideally we would make moves for players earlier, but would you rather sign the wrong players early in the window or the right players later in the window?

So keep calm and enjoy the good weather. Lol.

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Shappy

I have no issue with Moyes wanting to be his own man but if he doesn't buy the right players then I will be less than impressed. I know there's almost a month left and who knows what he will pull out of the hat but so far it has seemed a bit amateurish.

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AJH, In what way has it been amaturish?

Surely he has done everything in the right manner. He hasn't rushed in and panic bought. He has sat back looked at what he has then made calculated decisions on what he needs. Now he is trying to sercure those targets.

In the past we have scouted players for two year before we sign them. Moyes has had to bring in his own chief scout and get him to work on new targets in a matter of weeks when none of these targets are playing competitive football for which to scout them at.

We are getting all worked up here about signings. But the team that makes the best signings doesn't always win the league, but the team that plays the best most consisitant football through out the season does.

I get the impression that most fans on here will have made their mind up about David Moyes as a manager by the start of september. And will be basing that purely on who he buys.

We all felt that altough we won the league last year that this group of players could play far better than they did. If Moyes can get ALL of them playing to their full potential then there is no reason why this group of players can't retain their title without anyone else coming in to add to the group. But we will add to the group, we will have a stronger squad than last year.

Lets just sit back and relax, the fans from every other club are laughing at us panicing. I can assure you that every liverpool fan gets more joy when they see a panic ridden post on this site than they've had from watching their team at any point over the last 5 years. And we're the ones that are making them happy.

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There seems to be as many people ready to big moyes up as there is ready to knock him down.
Imo the jury is still out he wasn't my first choice but I can see why United got him all though a 6 year contract seems a tad long to me.
AJH
I agree the transfers attempts have looked a bit amateurish but that's Woodward as well as moyes

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Here here, Shappy regardless of what happens this window if DM gets the best from our SQUAD then we will be ok.

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I'm not bigging Moyes up, he wasn't my first choice to take over. But we have him now, and it's only fair that we give him a fair crack at the whip.

He was chosen by Sir Alex who over his career has been found to be an excellent judge of character.

Lets all give Moyes a fair shot, personally I think two seasons if a fair amount of time. But that's a different debate, the minimum amount of time need to give him is a season.

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Come on Shappy, whilst our rivals have been signing people we have been pursuing Fabregas who is not available. Both Strootman and Thiago would have improved us significantly but here we are with Rooney wanting to leave and no midfield additions. I don't want to join the doom mongers but our strategy is unclear

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AJH, obviously neither Strootman nor Thiago fitted into Moyes plans.

Yes they would have improved us but if they didn't fit into the long term plans for David Moyes then it would be money wasted to a certain extent.

And yes our strategy is unclear but would you rather Moyesy just hand over all our plans and info to Mourinho and the rest of our challengers?

We've never known what Sir Alex was planing until players were unvailed, so why so impatient with Moyes?

Personally i'm starting to think that maybe Fabregas was a smokescreen, make it look like something was happening while they get the real deals in place without the eye of the world on them.

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Let's not forget fergie didn't win anything for five years!

when he came in he had more issues to address than Moyes does but you can't expect Moyes to get fully up to speed in a month.

that said, there is the obvious need to make immediate improvements in central midfield and there are many players out there who I reckon we could sign to do that.

hopefully he sees that as his no1 priority and even if fabragas doesn't come off, we'll at least see some quality players come in ike Gustavo or Marchisio.

alternatively, if Moyes thinks he can get massive improvement out of cleverley and Anderson, then I'm happy to trust his judgement and see what happens.

either way, there's plenty of time left in the transfer window so let's stay patient, give Moyes a season or two and see where we're at

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04 Aug 2013 13:00:44
I have got to say that with every day that passes this Fabregas deal looks more and more likely. I think Moyes is a good manager who knows his way around a transfer after all he did some incredible business at Everton with a budget of zilch. So I for one am quite excited maybe we will have a transfer deadline day that we can enjoy as much as the rest:).

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04 Aug 2013 12:48:27
The press really do talk some nonsense, for Schweinsteiger to ever play for a club other than Bayern is just total nonsense. It just would never happen. As for Fabregas, that has got a whole lot more likely. And to be honest, him leaving this summer is plausible because he will want to get first team football for the world cup next year. And then of course Ronaldo, that will probably drag its feet right to the end of the window but I have a feeling that it will go through now - every football club is a business after all and even Real need to make money to spend money.

As for Rooney, well I don't think he will ever play another competitive match for United again. His sale will facilitate one or two big moves and so be it, he is not worth the money anymore and he doesn't want to play for the club.

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04 Aug 2013 12:19:42
Interesting over on the liverpool page Ed says our fans will be very vocal about headlines then when a poster asks should he get Rooney on the back of his top ED says it might become collectable Chelsea to sign Rooney this week then?

Freddie

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04 Aug 2013 12:12:46
Can some one please post a link and code for the fantasy football league?

Cheers

Jamesmack8

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04 Aug 2013 09:01:51
A week out from the Community Shield and 2 weeks out from the 1st league games, how about some predictions for the season ahead? Here's mine

1. We will finish in the top 2.
2. Top 6 will be the same clubs albeit with some movement within there
3. Liverpool will finish 7th.
3. Aston Villa will finish in the top half.
4. Hull to go down along with Norwich.
5. Bayern will struggle in Europe - I'm yet to be convinced by Guardiola and I think he will mess with a winning formula.
6. Everton will struggle this year and finish around 12th.
7. NoMidfield will have to change his name after Moyes signs Fabregas, Schweinsteiger, and Sneijder on deadline day.
8. Boarshawred wins the lottery but still finds something to complain about
9. After failing to land Ronaldo, Fresh enters the Priory for treatment for Ronaldoism
10. Shappy signs a book deal for a series of short stories, each one no more than 12,000 words.
11. GDS's head finally explodes after 1 too many negative posts from someone who doesn't leave their name
12. And finally, we all carry on having a good craic

Of course, some of these are much more likely than others

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04 Aug 2013 14:05:38
I don't think Norwich will go down, they've quietly made some fantastic signings, Van Wolfswinkel and Fer are top young players. As well has Redmond Olsson and Hooper. They will be much stronger next season.

I think it will be Hull will definately go down then it'll be two of Cardiff, Palace, West Ham or Stoke City.

Sunderland and Norwich could be pulled into it, but I think they'll be safe.

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I would not agree with bayern struggling in europe but they will not win the cl. RM will win it.

Shahram

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Two of your predictions contradict each other.

Everton were in the top six last season - so they can't stay in there AND finish 12th. Personally I think they will finish in the top six again!

Norwich shouldn't go down and Villa will probably not finish in the top half. Seventh seems about right for Liverpool and I can see Hull and Cardiff going down with West Brom being the surprise team to join them.

redseven

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Red Seven

Good point, hadn't seen that, I guess I meant the top 5. Perhaps the red Scousers will over achieve and finish 6th.

Shahram

When I say struggle, I don't think they will make the semis. Given how dominant they were last year, I think Guardiola will tinker and they will not do as well.

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Think I have more chance of winning the lotto than united making a signing the way they are performing at the mo

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AJH

The cl is always a coin toss and depends on the draw after the group stages. I would not be surprised if they make another run at it but they will not win it. They are too good off a team and with too many good players to struggle but over 2 legs against a big team can come unstuck.

Hey you never know we might be the team that knocks them out :)

Shahram

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04 Aug 2013 10:48:11
Would I be right in thinking that people would be more open to signing fellani if we signed fabregas/ronnie first?

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Yes, I think so, looking at a post a few weeks ago on here most people seemed quite happy to sign Fellaini as it is, he just isn't first choice.

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I see Fellaini as a new paint job for a car - with Fabregas being the car.

On its own - the paint job would be useless; but on the car it would look quite nice!

redseven

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04 Aug 2013 09:55:51
Barca release another statement saying Fabregas won't be allowed to leave, still no statement from the man himself. The fact that Real have said we are interested in Ronaldo is old news, Everyone knows we would be interested at the right price. It's frustrating but something must happen soon surely.

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04 Aug 2013 09:24:27
A lot of debate over Rooney staying or leaving. I firmly believe that we need to strengthen. Anything that makes us weaker is a bad thing.

I would only be happy to see him leave if we had already strengthened. Clearly we have not done that yet.

Whatever Rooney wants should be a very secondary concern to that of what the team needs. I expect Moyes to treat the situation in this manner.

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04 Aug 2013 09:03:50
If we didn't sign anyone and just used januzaj in a cm role what would all you think

I would like lingard zaha and januzaj to be in fist team and just develop them!

Forget the big signing let's get these players with potential actually a chance

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04 Aug 2013 08:48:59
This week is the defining week for me!

ok yes we do have unitl end of august etc but we need a top signing for a first 4 games I would say just to give us the umphhh.

Player wise who we could buy. ronaldo not this year
fabregas? why would he want to leave when he played such hardball to join them?
Baines is not wanted in my opinion let fabio and buttner develop.

All the rest is the usual nonsense eitha how mufc forever for me

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04 Aug 2013 08:35:48
Right, I'm getting really worried now, Moyes still hasn't signed and were now into the transfer window!

and have already spent on someone I once saw on the telly box.

If we don't spend £150m on 4 players and ship out half our squad I'm not going to renew my season ticket (I don't have one)!

DM just needs to buy BVB, take their best players and replace them with our cast offs. IT COULDN'T BE EASIER - FACT!

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04 Aug 2013 08:03:42
Hi folks just putting it out there. People on this site saying moyes will keep the fergie legacy going at the club which in my view is fair enough. But my question is will fergie remain in the background or will he interfere with the team. Lastly would moyes tell fergie to back off

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04 Aug 2013 07:46:28
Love the stupidity of the story in the Mirror this morning.

If we are unable to get Cesc Fabregas from Barcelona we will turn our attentions to the only midfielder who will be harder to sign, enter Bastian Schweinstieger. Really? Come on guys I know you need to fill collum inches but could you at least come up with a mildly beilevible story, maybe one about Dragons and magic. Lol.

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What's more funny though Shappy is when people jump on board this story and get carried away it.

Mad Hatter

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Maybe we should sign that young promising midfielder Thiago Alcantara from Bayern ;)

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04 Aug 2013 05:29:59
IMO

Fabregas - has been back at Barca now for 2 years. It's his home, it's his home club, it's where his family are and where he, apparently, is building a very nice house on the coast. I think he will give it 1 more year at Barca to establish himself.
WITH THE WORLD CUP LESS THAN 1 YEAR OFF, HE WILL NOT BE MOVING THIS YEAR.

Ronaldo - has been at Madrid for 3 years, it's his boyhood club. With Bale on board, Madrid will be going all out for their 10th CL and will do whatever is necessary to keep Ronnie.
I SEE RONALDO GETTING HIS PAYRISE AND STAYING AT MADRID.

Rooney - has reached a stage in his career where he wants to move on. He wants to be the striker for both club and country and is partly influenced by the World Cup.
I SEE ROONEY MOVING TO CHELSEA.

The Rooney issue may upset some of you, but to counter your arguments, are you suggesting that the club should be his prison, his Colditz. I for one would give him the motorbike and let him have his 'Great Escape'.

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Oh so 3 things that happen that are negatives for united, definitely not somebody on a wind up are you no name.

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Chelsea can??
Ronaldo won't play second fiddle to Bale. He has to be the sta4 player. Madrid need to balance the books for regulations as they are cleary spending way beyond their income should they take bale on top of the recent acquisitions.

Rooney has said nothing since Saf claimed he wanted a move why?
All media outlets at the time claim rooney has said he never made that request. So now chelsea are after him they are now swinging it the other way inorder to sell papers.

fab I just don't see right now. Too much prating around for my liking.

Monk

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Glad I read this post because I was starting to panic we would loose roo and sign no-one. Phew!

We will not let Rooney go anywhere if we ain't signed someone because we would be going backwards and woodward and moyes can't let that happen.

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Thank you for brightening my morning with your insightful, mind-nummingly, tedious doom-mongering.

I bet, if you had a name, you'd really gather a crowd at a party!

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I don't follow your logic? Rooney will leave because it's a World Cup year and he doesn't want to spend the season leading up to it being played out of position - that's fair enough. but Fabregas is in the exact same position (being played out of position week in week out) and yet you think he will STAY because it's a world cup year?

redseven

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Oh - and you also forget that Rooney is the best English striker by a mile and so will probably play up top for England no matter what.

Fabregas, on the other hand - has a lot of competition. If anything the fact that a lot of that competition comes from the Spanish players at his own club (Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets) would make leaving a better option than staying.

From Del Bosque's point of view; if the coaching team who deal with Cesc on a daily basis think he is worse than Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta - why shouldn't he?

With players like Cazorla, Mata, Silva, Thiago, Alonso, Pedro, Villa, Torres, Navas, Martinez and Isco also looking to take up a spot in the front 6 - that makes 15 great players (including Cesc and the 3 aforementioned Barcelona players) vying for 6 spots.

Fabregas NEEDS to be playing in his best position as often as possible. We can offer that. Barcelona can't - unless they sacrifice Xavi or Iniesta who at this moment are better players.

redseven

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04 Aug 2013 05:00:11
A lot of people have been slating Rooney and for several months.

Suddenly, faced with the prospect we may not get that 'marquee' signing, those same people are now saying Rooney is not that bad at all, infact people are saying he's one of our best players and if only. blah, blah.

Rooney has reached that stage in 'ones' career/life where a change is needed. I say good luck to him and let's all move on.

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04 Aug 2013 04:52:23
I am concerned about Moyes transfer activities and targets.

Activity - nothing concluded
Targets - Bale, Ronaldo, Fabregas and now Schweinsteiger.

All very good players but are they achievable.

Is the club trying to cover up Moyes lack of ability/experience by buying a marquee signing?

Is the club supporting the acquisition of a marquee signing because they realise SAF overachieved with an 'average' squad?.

In my view Fabregas is not a marquee player but for some people he carries that 'Armani' badge that would entice them to buy the shirt. For a club that boasts how big and successful our scouting network is, we seem to be spending too much time standing in front of the shop window looking at the badges.

I don't consider this to be scouting.

The sad fact about all this is I don't see any of the above players as achievable and this will be confirmed by the last minute panic buy of Fellaini and or Baines. Players we were allegedly looking at some 2 months+ ago

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No name,

Your last sentence contradicts itself. If we were looking at Fellaini and baines a couple of months ago and then we sign them now how are they possibly panic buys?

I think moyes is showing that he really isn't panicking, he seems calm and relaxed to me and taking his time trying to get the players he has pinpointed as massively improving our first team.

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Fellaini and Baines would not be panic buys they would be smart additions to our already strong squad.

Moyes is right to go after the big names in footy because we are amongst the biggest name in football and he's not new to being a manager and knows what he's doing.

Would love to see Mourhino keep a team like Everton in the top half of the pl with the squad Moyes left. He couldn't. Jose buys teams. That's easy. Moyes can build a team that is hard.

So have faith and more to the point patience. Every paper carries a different story so ignore the rags and just wait for what the club announce and they will. They, ve not just put all their eggs in one basket because they know they can, t so just wait and see.

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04 Aug 2013 02:38:09
I'd like to weigh in on the Rooney argument if that's ok with the regular posters, I am too very disgruntled with Rooney with the way that he has treated the club but back in 2010 or whenever it was he asked for the first transfer request but I have to admit without Rooney ( he carried us and I felt sorry for him at times) in there upfront we wouldn't have got very far and at the time he was worth the contract he got. Time will tell on the second one wether he actually asked for or not but regardless he is still a top player for us. I'm a season ticket holder and I don't see any rhyme or reason to think we could get another striker that Rooney offers for the 30 35m pound In the world to replace him let alone selling him to another English club, mourinho knows that he would only weaken us and strengthen Chelsea. Also if I may, I have confidence in moyes he's a manager that has identified our weakness's for another club (Everton) and exploited it to beat us on more than one occasion, he knows from experience what we need.

Redrum182

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Redrum, at last some sense being spoken. We cannot let Rooney go to Chelsea at all. And if Moyes insists on selling him then why £40m when Suarez being quoted at more, bale with one top season in the PL, is being quoted at £100m.
If Chelsea get Rooney at £40m, it will be the bargain of this transfer window. A lot of people think he's finished. Some people even say that he's played crap for the past 2 seasons. But didn't he score over 30 goals two seasons ago, only to see city pip us on goal difference. He chipped in with 16 goals last year when he was injured and played out of position.
So pls, let's not be to hasty and sell one of our best assets to our biggest rival. Will Chelsea sell us Mata or Hazard for £40m? I doubt it. And non of those score and contribute like Rooney does. Remember mata two years ago had a bad season, but he came back strong last year. So let's give Rooney a chance, you might even be surprised! Before we sell Rooney, we can bet rid of nani, Anderson, young, to name a few.
Nomidfield

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I don't think Rooney will go this year unless he asks for a transfer. Really bored this morning could Shappy please write another of his versions of war and peace? :)

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He only managed to beat one of the established top four on one occasion (ourselves last year), in 11 years he couldn't beat us or fathom a way to win anything, like laudrup and martinez managed in a fraction of that time with similar budgets or less, does cause some concern but saf picked him so hopefully he is more a RVP than a kleberson.

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04 Aug 2013 02:14:31
If MUFC would get Fabregas at a price of 35 mill and CR7 at a good price, I'd jump at it, it is rumoured Ronaldo having problems with bale signing, I think personally we would be unstoppable with them two! GGMU, MUFC, CR7, # inmoyeswetrust

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For some unknown reason whenever people put GGMU I always end up saying/singing "Go Go Power Rangers"

Please continue

Jaxer

and yes those 2 make a very good summer

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So without these 2, where will we be?

For a club that everyone has been saying has the best squad, why are we so intent on getting a couple of Marquee signings?

Sounds very contradictory to me

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It's alright Jaxier, I think the OP had a bout of Tourettes at the end of their post, could of said anything. Go Go Power Rangers makes just as much sense ;)

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No name,

Most people are in agreement that the squad is very good, one of the strongest squads we have had, but what we are lacking is a couple of top quality players in the starting 11.

Players like cleverley and welbeck are good players but should not be regulars in the starting 11 at united. They are valuable squad members. We need top quality to play in the big matches and in the latter stages of the champions league.

What we have at the moment is enough for us to challenge in the premier league and get to about the quarter final of the champions league but no further. We want / need a couple of players that pull us up to a higher level.

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04 Aug 2013 01:58:18
That reflective glass paper really is an embarrassment we will go for schweinsteiger if fabregas bid fails because he's going to leave the Best team in the world where he's been all his career. He's probably the best cm in the world and it would be 3-4 years too late.

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