Manchester United Banter Archive January 04 2013

 

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04 Jan 2013 22:48:35
Most of you's would sell your granny up the river. Sell Rooney this, Rooney that.
By the way Rooney has carried us on his back since Ronnie left. Short memories.
Tony v for what it worth you could get a
player to protect rafa and stand on one leg for a lot less than 17m

Stagmufc

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Totally agree. A lot of short memories.

Might get hammered for this from some of the older die-hards, but despite Waz's lacklustre recent form he did carry us post Ronnie - he even kissed the badge away at Everton.

Put that in perspective & you'll see what I mean.

Tony is obviously injured & not top form, but still works his ass off for the team. Would you rather Nasri, money grabbing scrot no passion no loyalty other than his fat wage slip. Tony without a doubt earns a lot less, but I bet my baby producing nuts Tony would buy into the ethic of the team vs Nasri's self indulgence.

I get the expectation of near perfect performance individually every week as we are THE most followed club globally, but I can't help but feel sometimjes some miss the fact that a player may have to sacrifice personal accolades to ensure RVP has the maximum opportunity to score/dictate play.

No offence intended to anyone in particular no matter what age, I just think sometimes we get wrapped up as fans & forget that situational variances, mental state & peak physical fitness contribute to performance. Look at when a boxer has the " mental " edge.

All aside I love this site & the opinions that go with it, and Ed002 has the dry wit a la toned down Frankie Boyle.

Eds keep up the good work, KLOOT Syd et al keep up the opinions.

Moog

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I agree. Ed002 is a cool customer. lol

Patzi

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Moog, with all due respect mate, kissing the badge doesn't mean diddly-squat.

I now have a rule, where I instantly distrust any player I see doing it.

StevieK

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StevieK

Don't be so mean, or harsh. Too many haters, not enough love.

Moog

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Nothing to do with short memories or being ungrateful. Look at giggs and scholes, great players at one time and servants to the club but it's time for them to go. Just individual opinions on how the team can improve on where we are today.

Rooney is always going to be very polarized discussion with some believing he is great and untouchable and myself believing IF we could get the right fee and IF can replace him with the right players, the team would be better for it.

That is a lot of if's and will probably not materialize. I also don't believe anyone will pay 55 million for him as there are few select players out there today that have that sort of valuation and they are all in peak form.

I tend to agree with Sydney that there is something going on behind the scenes with him and Fergie. SAF is a very smart and a manipulative guy and every press conference lately he can't say enough good stuff about RVP and not a word on Rooney.

Finally, there is one certainty that this team will go through a major transition over the next 2 years with scholes and giggs, evra, ferdinand and potentially vidic being replaced. That itself will dictate were rooney fits in as he is not a midfielder and depending on the new personal and our style of play, is he the best no 10 for the team or are guys like kagawa a better fit. Either way something has to give as I can't see how everyone fits in.

One thing for sure imo, if he ends up staying and gets a new contract, I can't see us renewing him on his current wages.

Shahram

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Who mentioned nasri sure wasn't me

Stagmufc

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I am a lover Moog, but getting cynical in my old age....

StevieK

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04 Jan 2013 21:43:52
Rooney will not be leaving in january. However in the summer he will either leave or sign a new contract. I havent heard this from my uncles cousins dog, its just common sense. We dont do much in january and we wouldnt find a replacement without there price being over-inflated. In the summer he will only have two years left on his current deal so something is bound to happen then. I do however agree with Sydney and dont believe he has an injury right now. If it were up to me i would sell him in the summer. He would probably fetch around 35/40 milion and i would replace him with Lewandowski and a box to box midfielder. Thoughts?

Ozzy

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04 Jan 2013 21:33:57
Leicester extend Keanes loan to end of transfer window

Pardoe

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04 Jan 2013 20:56:02
Sneijder being offered to QPR was made up arty was lying again. It was a rumour that was started on twitter. The Sun for some reason thought it was true and reported it. It just goes to show how much of a joke that paper is.

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05 Jan 2013 01:28:49
Not true, the sun have quotes directly from Harry redknapp, who writes for them. The twitter page are claiming they fooled the sun when in fact it was being reported today anyway. But they managed to fool you with that one so i guess it worked.

Ah well I guess any way to get Wesley sneijder on our page again despite this being nothing to do with united.

GDS

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05 Jan 2013 09:13:30
GDS Its TRUE look at the BBC sport web page if you don't believe me. Harry probably had to go along or lose his little my earner writing a column fir the paper. Sneijders agent has said there is know truth it what so where. Harry is the one who is famous for telling porkies such as when he was asked if he was signing anyone on transfer deadline day he said no. Van Der Vaart truns up.

Andyp MUFC

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04 Jan 2013 20:34:12
there will be no signings this month, the only way that would change is if a potential summer target is being pursued by another club and fergie fears missing out, i.e maybe lewandowski, baines, strootman, even then its hard to see us splashing out.

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04 Jan 2013 20:30:17
New ferguson would be p'eed off about the fryers deal. He's got a point about levy tho pure snake that man

GD

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Well he should have accepted the £3m Spurs offer or gave Fryers a new deal. As soon as he went to Liege I knew he would be at Spurs the following summer, didn't think it would be this soon though.

Sydney!

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Lol fergie aint got a leg to stand on! the only man who always gets the better of him! think berbatov has just said fergie met him when he wasn't given permission! anyone is a snake then its fergie loooool! fergie, you've just been levy`d

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I know what your saying syd but i bet theres alot of managers and chairmen without a good word to say about levy

GD

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Fergie is trying to get his money back on overpayment for Berba and Carrick. Be a long road trying to get back £20m though.

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Shame after the dealings we have had with Tottenham we havn't got a better relationship really, both Bale and Sandro would improve our squad immensely... Relations are way beyond that ever happening now, and over money grabbing Fryers!

DodgyBanter

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No name, are you suggesting Carrick who has won the champions league and a number of premier league titles was overpriced at 16 million??

GDS

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How did we overpay for Carrick you clown look at what we have won since we bought him. I AM KLOOT

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04 Jan 2013 19:48:07
with talk of rooney going to real madrid who would like coentroe/marcelo and kheidra plus 20 million

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Well sedrick said Rooney was worth 21mil so I cant see madrid valuing coentroe/marcelo and kheidra at just 1 mil

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Great deal. Sorts out 2 of the areas we need to work on, and we also have Kagawa to take over from Roney..

Fresh!

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Heres one for you why not ask for modric ferguson was always using the media to try tap him up why not ask for him to be part of the deal!

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04 Jan 2013 19:46:00
All I have seen on here for the last few days is Sneijder hating.... It is silly, how do we know what happened ? Sneijder is still a very good player and I would love to see him join if he reduced his wage demands a bit.... All you had to do was watch him in the Euros in a very average Netherlands team imo and you can see RVP and him stand head and shoulders above the rest and they link up sublimely.

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But where would he play? I'm struggling to work out where kagawa and Rooney will play in the same starting 11, let alone sneijder.

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RVP had a horrible Euros. Maybe he was tired after a long season with Arsenal, but he was a flop. Sneijder on the other hand was the only Netherland player who was actually making a decent effort.

Mick

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I have argued this before about his position he would be bought and played in CM 2 like his Ajax days and be the deep lying playmaker that scholes replacement we have been needing.

He was my top pick for the job in 2011 and a few didn't think he would play that role but in the hole instead but I think he would fill in there if and when needed but primarily play CM. I have since changed my top choice for that role to Cabaye and now hope we don't take the cut price deal of WS instead of a bigger outlay for Yohan but it seems there is little interest from us in Cabaye....sigh.

Jono

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Why not play like Chelsea and Man City do with Sneijder, Rooney and Kagawa flowing in a fluid 3 behind RVP.... Or give him a chance dropped a little deeper in a centre mid pairing with Carrick. He has not done this much but he may be willing as he is goung towards 30 and needs a new club.

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Jono,

If you like cabaye so much why do you never mention it? This is the first time you have ever mentioned him ;)

GDS

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GDS

It's just a new name I thought I might put out there!

Bandwagon anybody?

;-)

Jono

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I actually share Jono's admiration for Cabaye ( maybe to lesser extent ), and I would love to see my fellow countrymen in the red of manchester!

Mick

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04 Jan 2013 19:43:17
Just a quick question.... If Rooney was sold in this window or the summer one for say £55 million.....Which of these would you do...

1) Play Hernandez as the main striker with RVP behind and Kagawa on the left.

2) Play RVP up top with Kagawa behind him and a left sided player bought in.

3) Sign another top striker and play RVP behind them and Kagawa on the left.

I would pick option 3 and sign Lewandowski to play as the main striker. Obviously there would be money to buy other positions etc but I was just wondering which of these people would prefer. {Ed004's Note - Option 2, however I would sign a Nani replacement as well and try to adopt a formation similar to the one Borussia play. Imagine a front 4 of Rodriguez, Gotze, Kagawa and RVP}

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Option 2 and would like to see us play with 3 at the back and a 5 man midfield of Carrick, Strootman, Kagawa, Rodriguez, Goetze.

and rvp and lew upfront.

Net spend 30 million.

Shahram

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RVP and Hernandez for me

Pardoe

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Ed004 - That would be sensational but I would rather have a 4 of Rodriguez, Kagawa, Ozil behind RVP. {Ed004's Note - If we signed Ozil I would rather have Gotze instead of Rodriguez}

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04 Jan 2013 19:40:06
On the issue of Sneijder,

No doubt he's a talented player, I don't think anybody could say that he's rubbish, etc. because he IS better than anything we currently have to offer in midfield.

In fact i would be pro Sneijder providing his wages were around £110K PW and not £150+PW like Rooney and RVP.

So yeah, quality player and I would take him as long as he isn't going to be on City wages.

The Moon.

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The problem is he wants City wages which is why we are not signing him!

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Moon, no, no, no...and no. I realise its all rumours but he had the chance to come and wanted too much money apparently. Discussion over. He may be a good player but...

AJH

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AJH

Blanc had multiple chances but came in the end, granted none were down to the supposed money but we got him after a few attempts.

Maybe he has blown it or maybe it was the agents fees we all know sAF hates to pay or maybe with enough compromise there can be a deal struck. 100kish and it's a very good deal for the next 3-4 years IMO.

As moon said he is far better than what we have and fits the bill of proven talent and could be a cut price deal leading to more cash for other problem areas.

Jono

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04 Jan 2013 19:39:54
The Official Man United page have just uploaded pictures of today's training (Ironic after what SAF said in the interview) and Ando is back in training!

Hoppy

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Great news, with Rooney out I hope he gets a chance in the attacking midfield position next to Kagawa.

Mick

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04 Jan 2013 19:36:32
Sorry ed but any that are saying about united selling Rooney are mad, why would SAF sell one of the best players, just because RVP he's injured get over it guys!

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IMO SAF is seriously considering it.

there is no way in hell SAF has forgiven him for his outburst a couple of years ago, however at the time we only had him as our game changer, our world class talent.

Now though, things have changed and I think SAF may just show him that you don't F**k with United.

So that is why I believe most people think Rooney will be off in the summer and rightly so IMO.

The Moon.

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Careful Moon with that sort of talk....Darren-Bermuda is watching you......

StevieK

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04 Jan 2013 19:17:45
@PATZI,
Drogba was nowhere at welbeck's age. (i grew up in guingamp) when he signed from le mans he couldnt make the bench he was awful to begin with, in fact it was a running joke for a while. he came out of nowhere once malouda and him had a run in he guingamp first team, got his move to marseille and kicked on from there. while we are on the subject, him and malouda used to celebrate at a local pub called cambells and would have a chat with us. top blokes
bren

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Drogba scored 20 in 45 appearances for Guingamp, and 19 in 35 for Marseille. Now that's not a bad return?..

Patzi

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04 Jan 2013 19:14:05
is there a credible source for where these [people] are getting there info on a rooney sale

i personally have only heard of rooney being sold on this site

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He's on eBay apparently.

AJH

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I saw him on gumtree

oxred

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04 Jan 2013 19:11:46
Edd tell me did the manager say there was a possibility that we will sign a player if he isn't cup tied or he said definately no signings at all in January, for I'm afraid we may be disappointed come 31 january midnight..., What were exactly his words Edd? {Ed004's Note - I don't know his exact words unfortunately.}

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04 Jan 2013 19:11:18
Question for the Eds...do you all edit all pages or do specific Eds edit specific team's pages? I ask because whilst we have to put up with Puzzled and lfc, trying to post on the Liverpool page tends not to work as if the sensitive scousers are being protected by the Eds. Areposts screened and ignored (not rude, not offensive, just banter)?

AJH {Ed004's Note - There are different Ed's for different sites however some Ed's can edit more sites than other Ed's or different sites etc. I mainly edit united posts but I could edit on other pages if there are a tonne of posts waiting. Different Ed's react differently to posts}

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Perhaps the Ed thought you were AJ and he's been causing loads of abuse over there? ; )

Sorry, couldn't resist

Gav

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Then I shall take it up with their Eds. Poking them with a stick is fun, particularly in response to an insult but most of the time the responses never get published.

AJH

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Personally I can never get posts on the scousers pages but I understand they are the busiest of all, plus I think theres a smidgeon of protection for them as they are sensitive

Pardoe

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AJH - you've got a nerve - you are on the Liverpool page more than anyone (liverpool supporters included)

Puzzled

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You are welcome anytime Glynn

Puzzled

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04 Jan 2013 19:10:31
If we lose out to arsenal for the signing of strrotman i will be really pissed off. Would show we were never in for him since why would he choose a club who are battling for fourth rather than a team challenging for titles

James

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Has Arsenal put in a bid?

Shahram

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04 Jan 2013 19:09:08
Enough with the Sneijder stories. He is leaving Milan because he won't take a pay cut. Tells us all we need to know. Can we start arguing about Rooney or Cleverley again instead?

AJH

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Kind of unfair in Sneijder
Would you be loyal to your employer if he told you to take a paycut, although you have a legal contract, or not work at all?
I sure wouldn't!
I'd try to get out and find some new job at equal pay, sorry if I sound greedy, but please use common sense at least sometimes

Thx

Jonny8

P.S.: not saying he is not greedy or we should give him whatever he wants, but I can see his motiv for wanting to leave

I'd sign him, if he could be incorporated into our wage structure, below our top earners, until he proves he is one of the top performers at the club

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Johny8

Don't go ruining things by making some sense :)

Shahram

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Surely Inter are (at least partly) at fault for offering him the contract in the 1st place? I can't think of many players who have willingly taken a paycut mid contract, at the age of 28 (basically still in his prime).

Not saying he is a saint but I don't understand the notion that he's being greedy just because he wants the terms of his contract fulfilled.

Gav

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Gav stop it you are making sense e now too, this is too much.

I personally think he should be flogged and thrown out into the street. I mean imagine the audacity of the guy and why won't he bend over and take it :)

Shahram

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Gav, Sneijder was offered a contract extension by Inter so that Inter could get a bigger fee for him last summer. It all backfired when no one would pay him the same Inter salary and then Inter were stuck with him.

I do not blame him for not taking a pay-cut, but I do think he was a greedy fool for not dropping his demands to join another club. At 27 football should have been his priority and not an extra couple of million a season. What's the difference in retiring at 35 with £70m in the bank or £90m in the bank. He is not going to spend it all so for that reason I think he was foolish.

Sydney!

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Shahram

I just don't think we should take someone who didn't want to come just because he's now been asked to take a pay cut. I don't care if he is a good player...

AJH

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AJH, how is it Sneijder's fault if he is not willing to take a paycut? Why would he?

Mick

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Mick, maybe to put his footballing career before personal gain and his greed?

Sydney!

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I have no issue with him not wanting to take a pay cut. But...apparently he wanted huge money to come to us last year which we wouldn't pay. Now he has been asked to take a pay cut but his agent is hawking him around. This may all be maliciious rumour of course...

AJH

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AJH

I would agree with you if he did not want to come, i would not want him at the club. My only issue is, who knows what happened behind the scenes and it is all hearsay.

In all honesty can anyone say they know what the nature of any discussions are in a high profile transfer?

Look at the Hazzard saga this past summer or the supposed bid we made for Witzel, we will never know the exact details of the stuff.

To be honest, I am praying we sign a top quality midfielder and guy like Sneijder is better than our entire batch of current midfielders.

If does not happen I am ok with it but won't slag the guy as being no good etc etc and hope we buy at least one midfielder in the Jan window.



Shahram

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I see your logic Syd, but taking a pay cut to stay with Inter might not be what's best for his career.

Put yourself in his position, he is with a struggling club in a struggling league, and on top of that he is beeing asked to take a pay cut when he can just move to another team willing to pay just as much for his services. Even if he moves to PSG, he will be joining a team challenging for the Champions league title, albeit in a similar/ slightly weaker league.

If Rooney was asked to take a paycut, do you think he would take it gracefully?

Mick

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It's not directly a pay cut he's being asked to take, His pay cut is due to higher taxes in Spain which he wants the club to cover

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05 Jan 2013 10:28:58
he is in italy not spain

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Mick, I agree with the Inter thing as Inter should honour their contract, it's refusing to lower his demands to join another club that is the issue. Footballers have a short career and football should always come before money. It's not as though he would have been on chicken feed at United, City or Chelsea.

Sydney!

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Syd I agree but the money we are Savin on the original transfer could be used towards his wage ..... Why not.... If he publicly said I want united over city people would be screaming to get him here ...

CAIN

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CAIN, he is being unrealistic with his demands. What he wanted made City and Chelsea cringe. What he wants is more than Rooney & RvP are being paid. Sorry, but he is not worth that amount. £120k a week, perhaps even £140k a week, but not £200k+ a week. Sorry, but he isn't worth that salary.

Sydney!

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04 Jan 2013 18:32:13
Just to back up Sederick's posts.There are many rumours about rooneys agent beeing spotted in Madrid and its reportedly to agree terms for a money+khedira deal for the summer! FREDO {Ed004's Note - How much money would people want for Rooney plus Khedira? However if we were to get a madrid midfielder I would opt for Modric as he hasn't settled in well at Madrid}

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04 Jan 2013 18:50:37
But he also has other clients he represents and there is more than just Real based in Madrid so its just a case of 2 + 2+ 7 for me.

Modric wouldn't be a bad shout ed.

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If we were to sell him we'd have to go for as much as we could get and squeeze every last penny out of it. We have no need to sell so £50m + modric + coentrao would do.
sparky {Ed004's Note - I doubt we would get that much but it would be impossible to turn that down}

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For Rooney alone, i'd take £50-60m, so say £55m. Then with Khedira i'd want £40m. If they were willing to iffer him, he wouldn't be valued at £20m in rheir eyes, so £40m sounds about right in my eyes.

MPez

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FREDO, where are these many reports then? Are you Sedrick?

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - He isn't. Different Ip's}

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If Madrid were that serious about trying to get Rooney I would take Modric and £30 million or Khedira and £40 million...... If they were desperate for him I would ask for Benzema, Coentrao and £20 million.

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As part of a swap deal I'd take any 1 of, Ozil, Modric, Coentrao or Khedira. Or ofc we give them ca+ rooney for CR7.

Fresh!

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Same as MPez. If Khedira is included then I'd take £40million. I'm not entirely convinced by Khedira personally though. He seems a bit hit and miss for me.

TK-Red

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Ozil and Coentrao straight swap and buy lew in this window.

or

cr7 and cash

Shahram

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04 Jan 2013 20:28:59
Sydney, it was all started from supposed 'agent' on twitter.

-JakeW

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04 Jan 2013 20:29:28
Ed004, just not seen any of these Rooney stories, is it twitter? No offense FREDO.

Rooney is a £50m player no problem. But his value will start to drop considerably over the next few years.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - Must be twitter Ed 2 has said nothing about it}

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How come noone thought about Rooney + cash for Cristiano? Id offer 40 mils + Rooney and get Ronaldo back home. Imagine a firepower of Ronaldo, Chicharito and RVP, with a midfield of Kagawa, Anderson and Carrick creating goalscoring chances. Our attack would be the envy of any team in the world.

Mick

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04 Jan 2013 23:40:05
Jake, people need to wise-up mate. These "twitter agents" come about every window and then they reveal themselves at the end calling their followers gullible tools.

Sydney!

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04 Jan 2013 18:17:11
for me perfect couple of transfer windows would be: in baines, strootman, mccarthy, zaha, isco and maybe lewandowski. Out evra, nani, macheda, retire giggs, Scholes, fletcher.

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Not that it will happen but anything over £40M would be fine for me as long as we brought in Lewandoswki or similar quality.

Rudderpost

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Not sure we'd sign all those but 4 out of 6 would be good, realistic outs as well.

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04 Jan 2013 16:19:03
Sneijder's agent said he was interested in a move to a top premier league club. I know you'll all say he's had his chance and we should move on, but he's undoubtedly got some class and getting him for between 9-12 million would surely only be a good thing?

Luke

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We should snap him up ...... Have a feeling he could be wearin the shirt soon.....

CAIN

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04 Jan 2013 16:53:11
he's just a dutch charlie adam

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It's not his fee that's the issue, it was always his demands and they do not seem to have changed. His agent is offering him around to anyone so it still looks like money is his real motivation. Shame if you ask me.

Sydney!

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04 Jan 2013 17:42:55
although i find the dutch charlie adam comment funny its inaccurate. Surely it should be dutch david beckham. Was good once but is now on the decline, makes moves for money and has a media obsessed wife.

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What is it with the no names and off the wall comments.

Shahram

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Chelsea and Arsenal have rejected the chance to sign him apparently. His looking for 130k a week rumour has it.

Andyp MUFC

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Agree with Syd, if we were interested his agent wouldn't be advertising his services in the media. It's not like SAF will read the quotes, then go "go on then I'll take him" isit?

Gav

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04 Jan 2013 18:41:14
sorry shahram forgot you don't like your favourite player being criticised. Still wouldn't sign him though. In honour of another pro sneijder fan you can call me kermit ;)

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Andy, he will be wanting significantly more than £130k a week. That is probably what he wants after tax.

Sydney!

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For 130, 000 a week for a 28 year old who was the best player for the dutch 6 months ago at the Euros and that included RVP being on the pitch is a no brainer.

I also thought it was an agents job to talk to clubs when a player is looking to leave when his contract is not being honored by his existing club but I must be just too old and mature for that kind of thinking, I wonder which one of our players would put up with that if we did the same.

Sorry boys I will have to go against popular opinion here and question anyone who thinks this is not a quality buy given the state of our midfield.

I love the washed up comment by the no name poster, real quality post I must say with lots of content :)

Shahram

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Andy MUFC

Chelsea and Arsenal don't need Sneijder and have different requirements that they need to sort out in this window.

Shahram

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Gav, I think we are interested, but I think the manager is keeping a watching brief. I am sure if Sneijder dropped his wage demands to a realistic amount we would sign him. I don't think we have made any moves for him this month, but I think if he drops his demands for another club, we may go in for him and hope he will lower his demands for us too.

Sydney!

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Shahram, I think that's £130k net.

Sydney!

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So Sydeny would you sign him of 10 mill and 130, 00 wage?

Shahram

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Shahram believe it or not but some of us don't actually rate Sneijder all that much. Doesn't make us wrong or anything its an opinion. Mort

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Sydney

130, 000 after tax is a big number and not worth it but if it was a gross number, the guy is worth it and probably can give us a good 4 to 5 years and make a difference in the CL.


Shahram

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04 Jan 2013 19:55:08
Shahram I didn't say Chelsea or Arsenal wanted to sign him. He was offered to them by an agent.

Sydney he really wants out and has dropped his wage demands significantly. This will be his last hurray at a top club before moving to America where he will earn some big money.

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Shahram, If it was £130k a week gross it's a no brainer. £250k/£260k gross which I suspect it is is ridiculous.

Remember it wasn't so many months ago that Chelsea and City were flabbergasted by the amount he was asking for, things clearly haven't changed, if anything with a lower transfer fee hw could demand more.

Sydney!

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Mort

Fair enough and respect your view.

Shahram

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04 Jan 2013 16:16:49
Harry Redknapp has said, an agent offered him Wesley Sneijder....

He said yes, but he won't come here as he wants 200k in wages and QPR ain't paying a high wage structure.

Looks like Sneijder, better cut his demands or rot on the bench..... Could there be some deal like the joe cole to west ham handshake..

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If he is all about the money let city have him....

A player who plays from the heart with love for the game is worth 10 of him the greedy so and so....

I could think of far better players with less wage demands... He should look in the mirror he is past his best
REDDEVILFAN

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04 Jan 2013 15:37:11
Snow white and the 7 dwarfs were walking through the jungle when all the dwarfs fell into a deep hole. Snow white looked down into the dark hole, and asked "Are you alright?"
"Liverpool are still a top 4 club" came the voice from the hole.
Snow white thought, "Well thank god at least Dopey's still alive!"
LOL
SK.

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You need to work on your inferiority complex

Puzzled

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Hillarious. Did you hear the one about Old Trafford moving to London? It will make it easier for the fans to get to! BA-DUM-TISH! {Ed004's Note - Yeah heard it many a times not the funniest Tbf}

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Yeah ok Puzzled. That would sound more convincing if you weren't constantly talking about United. Now go home and come back with some better banter.

TK-Red

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I've just stolen this :)

StevieK

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'inferiority complex'

says the Liverpool fan who just happens to be on the United page....

Gav

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04 Jan 2013 15:11:09
About welbeck,
I think the lad will be a top striker: has great technique, strength, speed and can pass too. He frustrates me sometimes on the ball i think he needs to learn to act/think quicker, he gets closed down very often as he is about to pull the trigger(as did Rooney at the same age). Once that clicks for him I think he will go right to the top.

Bren

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04 Jan 2013 16:49:39
some strikers peak to early like owen or brazilian ronaldo. Some peak later like drogba. Not saying he's in that class but give him the chance.

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Hmmm, Drogba was smashing it for guingamp then marseille to be fair...

Patzi

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He does have strengths and he does deserve time, having come through the academy. My worry with him is, can you really LEARN to be clinical? I'm not sure. Tbf though if you can, you couldn't get a better teacher than RVP!

Gav

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Ronaldo joined Madrid when he was about 26 after having some bad injures at inter and had a few good years at Madrid. Agree with you about Owen but I think he would have maintianed his form if he had not had the injures.

Robbie b

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04 Jan 2013 18:57:35
Robbie it was playing too much football to young that led to Owen's injuries and also i suspect to Ronaldo's as well. He was good at RM but at PSV and Barca he was immense, the pre '98 world cup Ronaldo is probably the best striker thats played the game in the last 25 years.

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04 Jan 2013 14:39:47
I have no inside information, but PSV are lookinmg to bring in Adam Maher a central midfielder from AZ in January, he is touted as Strootmans replacement.

Bazza

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I have no inside information either but my work collegue who has friends in Holland and regularly visits told me today there are rumours in Holland going round that a bid for Strootman is expected from United next week?!

Don't take this as gospel, purely passing on a rumour I have heard.

Bazza, if what you have said is true then potetially they preparing for his departure, fingers crossed it's to us.

Ports

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Ports fingers crossed.

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They have been looking at maher for quite some time and that is nothing new. I still don't believe we will see him move till the summer.

Shahram

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I've got my fingers, legs and toes crossed....

Ouch!

Gav

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I have no inside information but my Auntie's hairdresser's father's parrot told me that Strootman wants to join us next Summer.

AJH

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04 Jan 2013 12:23:37
Bad news :

BA transferred to chelsea for 7.5 million
Very less txr fee
V should also have got him in exchange of D.Welback

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If we wanted Demba Ba we would have signed him for £7m. Welbeck would cost double that amount.

Sydney!

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04 Jan 2013 13:40:42
why would we want Ba? He'd probably struggle to get in our team ahead of van persie, rooney and hernandez. Down there he's only competing with torres until the summer.

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Sydney

To add, Ba has a significant degenerative knee condition which is the reason that his fee was at that level. He was allegedly paid partly on appearance. I think we had a warning with Hargreaves on knee issues so for the OP to even suggest Ba instead of Welbeck is a strange idea, and I am not an admirer of Danny

Red Man

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If Sturridge, Henderson, Downing & Zaha are being sold or for Sale around 15-20m Mark I think Welbeck would be around that valuation. Scoring goals for England & playing well for the best team in the Prem.

Ince & Powell 5-6m & they've done nothing top flight wise yet.

Ba is nearly 28. I'm sure a 22yr old Welbeck will be even better than Ba is at that age.

TJ

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In what world would Danny Wellbeck cost £14million - the lad is unlikley to cut it at United and will probably end up at somewhere like Sunderland or Newcastle with the likes of Simpson, Cambell, Richardson & Bardsley. Chelsea have just signed a proven goalscorer who has had 3 years in the Prem for a steal, take off the rose tinted glasses.

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No name ba got relegated wit west ham an had one good season wit Newcastle this season he has not being great at all the three seasons you are talkin about he has had one season of good fortune I think you will find it you who needs rid of his ba tinted glasses

CAIN

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So a 22 year old England striker with four years on his current deal wouldn't sell for £14m? get a grip lad.

Sydney!

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13 goals in a bad season.sounds like you know loads about the beutiful game looser

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Maybe if is name wasnt danny overated welbeck

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Such insight Cain.... pity your always wrong. 7 goals in 12 games for a West Ham side who were relegated, 16 in 34 last season and 13 goals so far this year.....'one season of good fortune' genius!

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04 Jan 2013 11:32:20
i think rooney will be back for the liverpool game and Fergie is just saying he's out for 2 more weeks to make liverpool prepare without him.

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Kind of how valencia was supposedly injured but started in the city game.

The Devil

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If his head isn't right, i'd prefer him to miss the game, however, if he is fit and the kick up the ar3e (if he got one at all) has worked and fired him up, that kind of Rooney would be welcome back!

Dishforth Red

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Sly Fox Fergie. I'm sure Rooney is playing a behind doors full on match against the reserves as we speak.

Rooney brace against Liverpool 2-0 anyone?

TJ

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Yeah right

Puzzled

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04 Jan 2013 10:59:15
There is a lot of speculation on here about players leaving, especially Rooney. So I would like to add my two pence into the argument.

Firstly, I don't think Rooney will retire here. I do think he'll play in a different country at some point and we will sell him as he gets older and his value in comparison to what we pay him gets worse. Right nowm if we did sell him, he would be missed, however I feel Kagawa is capable of filling the gap or perhaps even surpassing what Rooney did.

If we did let Rooney go we would definatly sign Lewandowski I think - which isn't a bad replacement.

Fresh!

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Fresh! You have put Kagawa on a pedestal there mate and to be quite honest, i have yet to see him set the world on fire. I did say yet, i know he has been injured and has needed time to adjust, however, he needs to start showing his form from the last two seasons with BD for us consistantly, so far we have only had glimpses.

Dishforth Red

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Dishforth
I saw Kagawa play for BD last season and i wished he'd come. He was fluid, I saw about 15 matches and he looked better than the likes of Silva and Mata playing in the hole. That was perhaps because that was a team pretty much playing around him, playing very very fluid football. When united does shift to a bit more fluid system of play, you will see hoe pivotal Kagawa will be for us. He is class. Give him time, and let the team get to know him better.
SK

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I agree DR, my one concern is that when Rooney is back where will kagawa play? If he is played out of his favoured position will we ever see the player of the last two seasons!
Nathan

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I think Rooney WILL slot into that Paul Scholes roll next season. Against many people's/fans judgement I know. There seems to be clouds of smoke & fire regarding Lewandowski which isn't going away. So maybe Lew, RVP, Chich & Welb will be our 4 strikers. W.Keane & Henriquez will get a full season loan in the Prem. Scholes will coach the midfield next season cause I'm sure he'll retire. This will improve the likes of Powell who WILL get games next season as a possible replacement for Scholes. I just think Rooney will fill in for Scholes until Powell is ready. I sincerely believe Petrucci is being ear marked as the replacement for Carrick in 2 seasons time. Maybe a Prem loans next season beckons for the young Italian.

In 2 seasons time could this be our formation?

-----Petrucci-------
Powell----Cleverley
-----Kagawa-------
Lew----------Roon

Carrick will be 33 cover for Petrucci
RVP will be 32 cover for Rooney
Fletcher will be 31 (might have retired)
Anderson cover for Pow/Clev
Jones cover for Petrucci
Rooney can swap with Kagawa to play Chich or Welb upfront.

Fergie has a plan in mind. I think the reason we haven't bought a midfielder & we are always linked with strikers/wingers is because Rooney will drop. We won't miss his goals. Lew/ RVP/ Chich are all capable of 20 each.

TJ

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SK i agree, however, until he gets the chance to prove himself to be as effective for us, i will reserve judgement. I certainly will not be putting him on a par with Roo......yet!

All the best.

Dishforth Red

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I agree with that. I think this guy is world class;)

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As SK said bd are a very fluid team compared to us, we seem to ship it out wide where kagawa has no influence i wish we were like bd there style of play is amazing to watch.

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Kagawa will be awesome, he's just adjusting at the mo. The German press were saying he would be worth £40mil if he had 3yrs on his contract.
Patience is key. It took Silva a season to get used to the prem. They are very similar players.
I'm sure we will all be delighted if he is as good, ecstatic if better...
He can do it Gangnam style too don't forget...

Patzi

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RVP will be Rooney's back up at 32? Rooney will be 30 himself and my money would be on RVP still being a better striker at 32 than Rooney is at 30.

TK-Red

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04 Jan 2013 18:01:23
No I had to on the rumour site. The one I posted last night has gone missing.

Andyp MUFC

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I will be amazed if Rooney is here at 30.

Sydney!

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I would tend to agree Syd! without wanting to sound like a broken record, we've both made our thoughts on Rooney known on many occasions on this site.

TK-Red

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04 Jan 2013 10:48:25
Where has my previous comment gone about zaha? Its not on here anymore.

Andyp MUFC {Ed002's Note - No idea.}

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Its on the rumours site, not the banter site

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I took it an if you don't give me 20000 by tonight .........wel there is nothin I can really do ....

CAIN....I mean secret person...:)

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04 Jan 2013 10:35:22
Rooney is out for another fortnight, meaning he will miss the Liverpool match.

The story fits well with the rumours of Rooney leaving, but I reckon he is just injured and SAF if taking his time with Rooney as we will need him in the run up to May.

RedDub

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Or SAF is talking rubbish and hoping he'll actually be ready for the game? We'll have to wait and see

Gav

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04 Jan 2013 09:50:24
apparently lampards agent has said he is certain to leave in the summer, does anyone think he is worth getting on a free? maybe a 2 year contract?

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I think chelsea are daft to let him go, still a decent player but no, i wouldnt want us to bring him in. We have older players that need moving on as it is. We need to blood younger lads and sign a top notch ctr midfielder to go with thm.


Parks.

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No name,

Do you think he would come to us? What could he achieve with us that he hasn't achieved already?

Also, we complain we are playing old players who are past it, and that is exactly what Lampard is and will be even more in the next couple of years.

GDS

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No! We want a cracking young player who can make an immediate impact, and continue making that impact for years to come. If we sign Lamps we will use it as an excuse not to sign a young CM.

Luke

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No! We want a cracking young player who can make an immediate impact, and continue making that impact for years to come. If we sign Lamps we will use it as an excuse not to sign a young CM.

Luke

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04 Jan 2013 09:26:19
I think SAF is right not to sign any player in this transfer market. Even if we lack a bit in the midfield, i think we have the players in midfield. Carrick, cleverly are the No. 1 midfield pair with fit again fletcher and Kagawa adds a bit of flair in the midfield. Not to forget about Scholes to chip in 20 to 30 mins. Anderson, if he comes that makes Six midfield players plus Tunnicliff, Petrucci, Powell. I think we are more than OK in this department. 4 Strikers are perfect, no need to sign Lewandowaski. Only in the Defence, Jones place is not yet confirmed. I think he could be a good CDM or RB (with competition from Rafael) but not CB. Wootten has the potential to replace Ferdinand. What do you think guys. Any signings required?

Red Devil

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I would like to see a midfield 2 of carrick and strootman.

JK92

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I think we will probably add a midfielder, Strootman? This depends on whether Milan make a move though, if they do, then we will have our hand forced. If a midfielder is brought in then Powell will be loaned out.

As for Wooton, I don't see him replacing Ferdinand - he is good but he isn't that good.

Fresh!

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Don't think Wooton will be good enough... Michael Keane however could have a massive future at the club

RedKnight

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Fit again Fletcher? So you haven't seen him play then?

We need at least 1 midfielder to replace Fletcher and a left back who can actually defend, as we do not have one in the entire squad. Well we do, but he is playing in London..

GDS

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Jones is primarily a CB

Patzi

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Drawback is if Carrick gets injured we are proper f**ked

Pardoe

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Jones will be a CB long term, I firmly believe that.

I doubt we'll sign anyone too TBH, but would be delighted to bring in Strootman. He's the most likely it seems, if anyone at all.

Gav

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Red Devil

Half the midfielders you have mentioned are nowhere ready to play(Tunnecilff, Petrucci, Powell) or they would have gotten some or more game time.

It is really a carrick, cleverly and Anderson midfield with scholes good enough for 20 minutes against certain teams. Anderson is more often injured or unfit and Kagawa can't get into the team because rooney plays in that position.

The only way kagawa and rooney can be in the starting line up is by dropping young and that leaves us very exposed as young works his ass off defensively and holds the ball up better that Kagawa.

The moral of the story is we are very short and exposed in midfield.

Shahram

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04 Jan 2013 09:16:01
Hi guys, Sedrick again. Seeing as I got slaughtered last night for posting about Rooney's imminent move to Real Madrid, I thought I would elaborate and add to what I already know.

A mate of mine is a baggage handler at Manchester Airport and informed me that Paul Stretford (thats Rooney's agent btw) was seen checking in this morning for a flight bound for Madrid. This is undoubtedly to negotiate a contract for "Wazza".

Just passing on the facts.

Sedrick.

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Sedrick why do you waste your time posting garbage
do you think Paul Stretford only looks after Wayne Rooney?
get a life
ARB

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Yeah I was gonna slaughter you too but alot got in front of me ........ Couple of questions does this guy only rep Rooney or has he got other players on the books an if Rooney was not happy that we had not signed a world beater in the last few seasons then RVP comes an now he wants to leave jus don't make sense ......... But I do feel Rooney could leave

CAIN

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So you have contacts in spain and a friend who is a baggage handler at manchester airport, fancy that! No doubt you know a taxi driver in Madrid who will just happen to pick Rooneys agent up and drive him to the meeting with Madrids money men!

Get a grip pal, If Rooney is going it wont be in jan and it will be for a much bigger fee.


Parks.

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If you were just "passing on the facts" as you say then why did you claim the deal was for 21m euros yesterday when today you say your info comes from a baggage handler at the airport. To know a value you'd have to be in on the deal, not some randomer at the airport.



Shappy

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Nice powers of deduction Shappy, I will now call you Sherlock Shappy.
Flyhalfmitch.

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Holy sht sedrick I have only seen two of your posts an you have being tore apart see peeps on here love facts that can be backed up by people in the know not people in the airport ....... I hope the slating your gettin won't stop you from posting in future but try be clear on Wat you are sayin cause it's a good topic laced wit bad information ......

CAIN

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I saw Paul Stretford buy a pen from WH smith the other day, this no doubt means he will be using it to sign the contract in Madrid.

Del boy!

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I love the use of the word 'undoubtedly' in the original post!

GDS

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LOL

Good posts Park & Shappy, couldn't have put it any better!

Gav

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04 Jan 2013 09:01:04
Just a thought. If the rumour is correct about Zaha, I mean, doesn't that affect the progress of the likes of Brady or Januzaj or even Daehli. Very much worried about the future of Petrucci. I think he could be farmed out like Pogba. What do you think guys.

Red Devil

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04 Jan 2013 08:26:07
Wigan boss Martinez: Man Utd's Henriquez will start in FA Cup

This will be good for the lad... Really hope he plays well and I for one will be keeping an eye on their game.

Oxred

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From what I've seen on MUTV this guy has something, strong with a lethal shot

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Forgot to tag MUTV comment above

Patzi

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04 Jan 2013 07:43:42
I see the silly season is upon us with rumour after rumour being voiced with little or no fact. I know it's great fun but you wonder where all the nonsense comes from. If United signed half of the players we are linked with we would have a squad of 40. De Gea is going, Nani is going, Rooney is being swapped, Hernandez is unhappy. The only one of these that appears to be credible is Nani. As for all the players we are going to sign, let's remember SAF has usually surprised us and it's not often we have signed somebody that we were all aware of and discussing openly for any length of time. I remember we had 'signed' Modric and Sneijder according to the press. I know it sells papers but the only person who knows what's going on is SAF...and let's be honest, I don't think any of us can second guess him right now.

Personally, if we sell Nani we need to replace him and we also need to strengthen central midfield. I wouldn't sell anyone else from them1st team...unless it meant bringing Ronaldo back which I still think is very unlikely.

Anyway, Schneideler anyone?

AJH

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I want sneijder here going cheap loads of experience an the younger lads will learn from him

CAIN

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How is 200k a week cheap Cain?

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No one in the premier league will pay sneijder 200k a week
johndenton

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No name his fee will be cheap his wages can be worked out an for his experience 200k is not all that bad but I would say the wage could be 160-180 wit bonuses an add on's bringing it to 200k so in my estimation a much cheaper deal than we offered already how some people don't see this as a good deal bugs me ..... If we had paid 30mill an 200+a week an he had a good season nobody would batter an eyelid now we can get him for cheaper than phil joneses fee a ready made master of the midfeild top star an some of you muppets don't want him ..... You lads are hilarious ..... I'd rather spend 12 mil on WS than risk it on zaha..... So no name that to me is cheap much like your comment ..... Next time leave a name so people can take you serious

CAIN

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I think the man is a fool, he could be in the centre of our midfield now if he wasn't so greedy. Unless he sorts out his future and puts football before money he could end up a Michael Owen or Joe Cole and his footballing career at the highest level could fall prematurely.

Sydney!

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04 Jan 2013 13:38:45
he's just a dutch charlie adam

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CAIN,

We are muppets for not wanting to pay a player £200k a week who has stopped playing for his current club because they won't pay him the exact amount he wants?

Lets do some simple Maths. Zaha would be on about 20k a week, so in his first year would cost 1 million in wages. Sneijder would cost 10 million in wages, then if he has a good season and demands an increase in salary or he will leave then what do we do?

If both players cost the same and had the same attitude then of course we would have Sneijder over Zaha, but to suggest everyone on here is a 'muppet' because we have a different opinion to you is laughable and I would suggest makes you the muppet.

GDS

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Syd he is a fool for wantin more money then Wat is Rooney he held the club to ransom for more money an all the BS about him being put up to it do we can higher the wage cap doesn't wash wit me cause who have we signed that commands that sort of money ......... As I said before he wanted the move an went about the wrong way fair enough shame on him but should we cut off our nose to spite our face no we shouldn't we should sign him up ASAP an put him to work ............ Picture him in a united shirt dinking clever balls forward settleing our mid field ..... He is class end of those of you that don't see it don't want to see it .......... Him or Scholes .. Him or Giggs .. Him or carrick.. Him or nani .. Him or ando ..... The list goes on there is no doubt he would improve us....

CAIN

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GDS if you can't see that taking sneijder is no huge risk an zaha is then this conversation won't get anywhere you cannot tel me that you would spend 12mil on zaha when we could have sneijder for rthe same mony minus wage of course..... An Wat do we care about wage anyway ..... Zaha could be great sneijder is great ....... Doesn't take a genius to work it out....

CAIN

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Oh an GDS people who cannot explain why they don't want him instead of "he had his chance" crap are muppets the bandwagon has being going for awhile read posts properly before commenting an try see the sense in it ....... Cause these are things muppets say if you agree then you my friend are also a muppet cause you know Wat makes sense f&k the popular opinion .......

CAIN

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"GDS if you can't see that taking sneijder is no huge risk "

You don't think it's a risk to pay a 28 year old, going on 29 around £8-10m per season, bearing in mind his poor injury record, age and the fact he's never played in the EPL.

Sneijder is world class, no doubting that. And if we'd got him a year or two ago - I'd have been over the moon. Now, I think it's too late, too much of a risk and above all - he's not an out and out CM'er which is what we need above all else.

Kagawa and Sneijder play a similar game and I'm not sure SAF would play them both at once anyway. He likes wingers too much.

Gav

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04 Jan 2013 06:20:44
Interested in peoples view on how Newcastle is able to sign a top player like Debuchy for 5.5 mil as a right back and I know we don't need a rightback, but we spend 5 million on buttner as a back up for left back, who IMO is not good enough for united and a waste of money.

Why we are unable to buy a quality player at a reasonable fee that actually plays and not just window dressing?


Shahram

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Every played is priced on their own merits, what their club values them at, how long they have left on their contract, and unfortunately for us, how big the buying club is. United will always pay a premium because clubs know we have the money available.

GDS

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Newcastle have a terrific scouting system headed up by Alan Carr's dad of all people! It makes me wonder how Utd as the biggest club in the world dont unearth more talent cheaply like Newcastle have done....Tiote, Ba (ok he was at West Ham but still), Cisse, Cabaye. Hernandez is our only really succesful bargain of late.

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Shahram, with all due respect to Newcastle they are not Man Utd and it is easier for them to get a decent price. I would guess if we bid for him or the like, the price would be more like 12 million. Thats where the "no value" comes from mate.

Dishforth Red.

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Shahram, regarding an earlier post. Buettner cost £3.5m (5m euro) and some of that is potential add-ons based on appearances. Probably why he hasn't featured a lot this season. The club will try and keep his fee down as much as they can. I think he will end up costing under £3m. For a 23 year old on the fringes of the Holland team it's not bad. Debuchy at 23 was very similar to Buettner. Lets hope he can develop to a similar standard.

Sydney!

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04 Jan 2013 03:32:19
"This is meant for Sydney! or better still, anyone of you guys or eds"

Fmy

Sorry Sydney, and I don't think Fmy meant any harm by it, but the 'or better still' comment cracked me up :)

StevieK

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Anyone of us guys is better than Sydney!

Thanks FMY ;)

GDS

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04 Jan 2013 02:33:04
Is there any hope of Man Utd signing Cristiano Ronaldo? I heard we were offering Nani & De Gea. But today I hear Real Madrid are offering a 15 million per year contract?

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Apparently it is not a contract issue and he does not like playing there as the dressing room is a split camp and no camaraderie in the squad. If they don't get him to sign a new contract before the summer, he will be sold for the right fee and Real will see a change of many players coming in and many leaving.

Shahram

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04 Jan 2013 00:04:04
All these short loans are quite good for a young players development. Bigger crowds, different training, better competition, harder tackles ect.

Do you think these call backs mean others could get a short spell on loan.

LOANS ENDED OR RECALLED JANUARY 2nd.

Amos, M.Keane, McGinty, Giverin, Lingard, van Velzen, Cofie.

With these players coming back to play in the elite u21's.
It could now be a great opportunity to send these players out for a month or till the end of the season.

Johnstone, Vermijl, Blackett, Cole, Barmby & Petrucci.

Johnstone has had a short spell at Scunthorpe before. The others haven't had that opportunity. They could do with
proper league competition to see if they can cope with the on field battles.

TJ

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