Manchester United Banter Archive July 04 2018

04 Jul 2018 23:24:49
got to laugh at what i have read jose critisizing england players for play acting and then going on to defend neymar time to get rid he is going senile.

05 Jul 2018 01:01:04
The Jose bashing starts before pre-season this year, makes a change🤷‍♂️.

05 Jul 2018 09:26:26
Thought we were over the Jose bashing? Can’t we just enjoy the World Cup and look forward to the new season without having to moan about something?

05 Jul 2018 10:37:48
Park it's pretty hard to look forward to next season without getting in a Jose bashing mood.

05 Jul 2018 11:46:46
Who's Jose?

05 Jul 2018 13:22:46
Maradonas comments? Oh the irony. Still in my top 3 favourite players.

04 Jul 2018 23:05:40
Ed002, are we maxed out on our wages? I remember you saying FFP had a word with us about them being too high. We had until March to make them happy hence Zlatan leaving then.

Would one of our top earners have to leave to accommodate a potential incoming player who would demand similar wages?

{Ed002's Note - The club has to stay within the parameters. It cannot keep adding without taking away.}

05 Jul 2018 05:41:17
Makes the sanchez deal look even more ridiculous.

05 Jul 2018 06:20:24
I’m sure their highly qualified accountants can add up and worked out the Sanchez figures.

05 Jul 2018 08:06:34
Yes but was that a position we needed to strengthen in. Probably not.

05 Jul 2018 09:43:44
When Sanchez comes on the market at £35m given today’s prices it was a no brainier.

05 Jul 2018 09:55:48
Yep 3 goals in 18 games. No brainer.

05 Jul 2018 10:17:35
DSG,

Good job we signed him for more than 18 games then isn't it.

05 Jul 2018 10:29:08
Does that make him bad player? When he was looking likely to join City, people were questioning why utd is not interested, He is at utd you want him replaced by Rinaldo.

05 Jul 2018 10:35:09
Id imagine blind, rojo, Darmian, Shaw add quite a bit wages wise with little to zero contribution pitch wise. Jones, Smalling and Mata too. Would've added Fellaini but alas.

05 Jul 2018 10:51:16
If anyone else played as awfully as sanchez, i doubt they wpuld get 18 more games consecutively.

This supposedly from a manager who doesn't do favourites and only judges players on performances and mot reputation.

05 Jul 2018 11:05:00
Kenedyandy, i don't want ronaldo to replace sanchez, i want the players who were performing well, certainly better than sanchez in the left wing position before he joined to come back in.

05 Jul 2018 18:05:43
we got Sanchez in a straight swap for miki, sanchez is a miles better player.

he may be on more wages but he's not on a ridiculous amount more than mik.

04 Jul 2018 21:21:27
James Garner going on the tour according to his dad on twitter.
A great prospect, young centre mid.

04 Jul 2018 22:24:30
What, himself of the rockford files?

05 Jul 2018 00:49:49
I can just hear the theme tune now co82 lol.

05 Jul 2018 05:31:06
I couldn't resist, the mrs always says i'm the spit of his father in the programme, i took it to mean, a wisened, worldly, chiselled good looks, cheeky, charming type of character, she laughed and said more like a miserable, nosey, cranky old feck who gets on her nerves! -bloody cheek, still, i know she cares, every year she keeps increasing my life insurance policy and tells me not to worry, while still allowing me to eat greasy food, go out on the lash and doesn't mind if i have a cigarette or 20 every day, its like she's encouraging me too, see that's the love of a caring wife there, so it is!

04 Jul 2018 19:02:16
Every summer the Ronaldo transfer speculation always hots up. This year I think there might be something in him leaving. If the €100 million is an accurate price, in today's market it's not a lot for what you'd get.

He's adapted his game to be a pure machine in front of goal. Whatever front 3 we play they could interchange mid game. Get 2 years out of him, bring the premier league home and have a proper cracking at the champions league.

I can't see it happening but a man can dream!

04 Jul 2018 19:18:05
Would rather pay 70m for a 29 yr willian and even that wd be through gritted teeth but at least he is more what we need.

04 Jul 2018 19:44:24
I do like Willian but is he going to be the difference between us catching City? We need another forward that can ad goals to our team, that's not Willian. He's very good on the ball but his final ball isn't great. He'd be a good addition but if Ronaldo is available it's a no brained!

04 Jul 2018 19:51:07
Can’t pass up on Ronaldo at that price. Yes he’s 33 but he is like no other 33 year old. He has adapted his game and if we play him and Lukaku up top then we will challenge for the title. We surely cannot be letting Juve have a free run at him. He’s not the same player he was a few seasons ago in terms of dribbling but he is an absolute goal machine. And scoring goals has been our problem for a number of seasons.

04 Jul 2018 20:19:29
I doubt he would go juve . He will probably end up going to Psg with either Neymar or Mbappe movin the other way.

04 Jul 2018 20:16:40
Absolute must if ther3 is a chance he is moving. Forget the Willians and mandukic. Ronlado will 2in us th3 league and make us challenge for the champions league. He will also be a benchmark for some players and they will learn a lot from his attitude.

{Ed002's Note - Juventus have not, as of eight this evening, made any offer to Real Madrid for Ronaldo. They have however spoken with his representative, Jorge Mendes, about what it would take to get the player and whether or not he would be interested (given that there is aplan from Real Madrid to utilise him elsewhere in a transaction).

So would you get rid of Pogba and not use the money to buy Sergej Milinkovic-Savic and strengthen, but you would spend that money and a great deal more on a 33 year old with no residual value?}

04 Jul 2018 20:54:15
If i think with my brain i would use the money to buy Savic.

Based on past experience Utd haven't used theeir brain often.

Thanks for the update.

04 Jul 2018 21:11:57
Ed,

Just out of curiosity has anyone shown inerest in Pogba, i know we are looking to move him on but there needs to be someone interested. 😂.

{Ed002's Note - He has been offered to three sides but none have bitten just yet. A relutance to discuss players in a more creative way by MU would hinder Real Madrid interest which might just be there.}

04 Jul 2018 21:56:57
Ed out of interest why are Utd offering Pogba? Has Jose seen enough and wants rid?

{Ed002's Note - It would be a way of raising money and critically removing wages. But right now it looks like he will stay.}

04 Jul 2018 22:14:36
Interesting Ed i reckon the players they probably want to diwcuaa would be the likes of Casemiro, Kroos and Bale.

04 Jul 2018 23:01:53
the fantasay ship with ronado sailed years ago build for the future not a one of season then have to start all over again as for willian he has been the worst right winger at the world cup.

05 Jul 2018 08:29:02
dazw, which of Panama or Tunisia's right wingers would you rather sign, out of interest?

05 Jul 2018 12:28:59
For me Ronaldo did not impress during the WC. Oh yes there were little cameos from the past, that Is past.
If it were an option I would rather have Bale who would be coming to have the whole team disrupted to revolve around him trying to live past glory days.
CR7? Thank you but leave the past where it is.

04 Jul 2018 12:51:04
I'm not english but for the first time in decades you guys are fun to watch, finally you have a modern day manager who wants his players to feel comfortable in possession, you do lack a little more creativity in the middle of the park but the way this english team is playing is the right way to try to win international cups.

if only Shaw never got injured and continued with that very good form at the start of the season under Van Gaal i think you would have more chances because almost all of your attack comes from Trippier's side (whom i must say have been superb) .

But even if you don't win it i believe Southgate and his philosophy are right for england and if he gives your world champions youth a chance then you will be protagonist in the next 2, 3 world cups.

04 Jul 2018 13:22:38
Reman - Maybe it's entertaining for the neutral, it sure does get the heart going as an England fan. But our actual performances have been pretty poor for me, we need to lift it a few gears if we expect to win the whole thing as the other nations in with a shout are all playing very competitive games.

Tunisia we were fortunate to win in the end, likewise with Colombia and obviously the Belgium game was not real. But Panama was a bit of a trick for the confidence, we didn't play that well as a team, we just punished them from set-plays and they were truly awful. We have created so little in open play, Kane has been anonymous aside from the goals, 3 pens, 1 deflection, and 2 poacher'esque goals and he will walk goldenboot, pretty crazy stuff.

I'm waiting for us to click, because yesterday was too negative. It's a lot like watching Utd at the minute to be honest, we know the tools are there, but the individuals aren't doing their stuff on the whole. Sterling, Lingard, Alli, Kane all were well below par yesterday. Walker and Young offered nothing as well. We can get away with a couple of players being off, but not half+ the team being below standard.

04 Jul 2018 13:45:21
I thought last night England hardly went at them at all after the first 15 mins. the south americans were very cynical but England stepped back and i thought we re very directionless for a lot of the game. Was it 2 shots between 2nd half and first period extra time?

Maybe they will now push on but I can see them just as easily going out than going through.

04 Jul 2018 13:57:20
Beast,

I genuinely have no idea why you watch football.

Kane was far from anonymous yesterday, he tired as the game went on but some of his hold up play was fantastic.

04 Jul 2018 14:13:57
GDS2 - You worry about why you watch it and I'll worry about why I watch it mate.

We haven't played very well, or should I say, I expect us to play better and I think we need to play better if we intend to win it. We have lacked a lot of creativity and it is very similar watching England to watching Utd at the moment for me. Each to their own mate and I'm suspecting we will kick on after that scare putting Sweden to the sword. But our overall play has been below standard, we are lucky with who we have been up against so far.

04 Jul 2018 14:15:34
Last night we had 7 corners and Colombia made 23 fouls, let's say at least 15 of them were in areas where we could deliver. We had 7 corners v Belgium and they made 14 fouls, let's give 8 of them in areas to deliver. We actually only had 3 corners v Panama and they gave away 13 fouls so 7 in areas to deliver and finally 7 corners v Tunisia and they made 14 fouls so let's go 8 within delivery. In total that is opportunities to get 62 chances to deliver the ball at least into the opposition’s box. With the likes of Kane, Henderson, McGuire, Stones all 6ft+ it would be naïve of us to not play to our strengths and with VAR being the way it is why not get balls into the box.

The point is, although our chances aren’t coming from open play, we are creating chances to get deliveries in to the box through the runs in behind from Lingard especially and working the ball into good positions for Young and especially Trippier from open play. So for me, we are attacking well, we are getting into good positions and we are punishing teams (Belgium being an exception) when given these chances.

As for Walker being off, he is not in the team now for his attacking ability as he is part of a back 3 so apart from his mistimed back pass, he came across and cleared up well on a few occasions because of his pace. Young defensively was strong and delivered some good balls and Harry Kane was immense last night, holding the ball up, doing defensive duty and getting the pen again and scoring.

If we score 3 more goals for the rest of the tournament and win the games 1-0 and all goals are from a set piece, I for one will not be complaining.

It’s coming home.

04 Jul 2018 14:20:11
For me the biggest problem last night was how deep Kane ended up playing. He is our big goal threat, and favourite for the golden boot. He needs to be closer to the goal of he is going to get those g.

04 Jul 2018 15:26:29
The reef was awfull last night.

04 Jul 2018 16:33:24
I think our problem has been putting teams away. We dominated against Tunisia, played some great stuff int he first half but nicked a win at the end. We smashed Panama, then our second 11 lost to Belgium. Colombia are half decent but we made hard work of it.

We are looking like a team that means business and I love Southgate’s attitude and demeanour. I’m going we click against Sweden and put them away early.

One other quick point, how big are Rashford’s balls? 20years old, steps up to take the second penalty, top kid.

04 Jul 2018 16:36:35
He was indeed, I thought he went to pot.

04 Jul 2018 20:39:07
Spot on Tony, It was an incredible penalty by rashford. I was so shocked that he stepped up and the finish was world class. The boy has serious cojones and it was great to see.

04 Jul 2018 07:10:42
Good morning guys

We can't be changing Sterling for Vardy and Alli for Dier while leaving Rashford and Loftus Cheek on the bench when we need to WIN the game; Kane and Vardy are similar in that they both want the ball played into feet. Worse still is having a midfield of Henderson and Dier. What was that? Did he think that Lingard would do the running alone? Seriously, use that against a better team and they'll thump us. Please get the message to Southgate; When a game is poised such as the last one, you need to bring in pacy and creative players who can increase your lead rather than rest on your laurels. Just my two cents.

{Ed001's Note - Vardy doesn't want the ball played into feet, he wants it in behind to run onto, completely different thing.}

04 Jul 2018 07:54:37
Hi Ed001, That may be the case but he still lacks genuine pace / dribbling skill to take him past defenders; maybe the odd one.

{Ed001's Note - pardon? Have you ever seen Vardy play? He is one of the paciest players on earth. He is almost purely about pace.}

04 Jul 2018 08:03:35
Kenny. You answered your own question. Apart from Lingard, England do not possess a creative midfielder. Instead of dier, i would've taken Wilshire, as he's the only english midfielder who can create something.

04 Jul 2018 08:06:41
Perhaps I haven't seen that from him then, I remember when he messed us up under LVG in Leicester's 5-3 win but other than that I haven't been so keen - Fair play to Southgate then? Though I still think playing him and Kane without any creativity behind them doesn't do much for the team.

{Ed001's Note - how have you not seen his pace? That is almost all his game is. I can see the thinking behind what Southgate did, but it was a mistake, he would have been better to try and keep possession and play out time as Colombia were awful.}

04 Jul 2018 08:12:54
AAA, I have gone through the final 23 squad severally to try to identify creativity; unfortunately you're right; England doesn't have creative players like Pogba, Silva, etc. If Mata was English he'd have certainly made the team.

Ed001 - Agreed, exactly my point.

04 Jul 2018 08:16:27
The dier sub was understandable as he wanted to protect the 1-0 lead, didn't work on this occasion but better managers have tried this and ended up giving up the lead. For example mourinhos fascination with bringing on john obi mikel on to protect a lead in his second spell at chelsea.

Dont see any problem bringing vardy on late in the game. Either him or rashford against a tired defence is going to be useful for the team with their pace.

04 Jul 2018 08:59:56
Jeez, and I thought we won.

04 Jul 2018 09:38:25
Were Kenya playing last night?

To be fair if the only time you have seen Vardy play was in September 2014 it's not really a surprise you don't know much about him.

What a night, what a win, it's coming home!

04 Jul 2018 11:54:23
I agree with you the subs unbalanced the side, and i would have done the same replacements as you. But vardy is a greyhound, the ball is the rabbit draw your own conclusion.

04 Jul 2018 11:57:34
That was fantastic.

Vardy for the last three seasons - hit the ball in behind the defence and I’ll use my pace to run in behind and score.

KenyanRD - that sluggish Vardy just wants ball to feet.

04 Jul 2018 12:47:11
Wilshire would probably be on crutches by now so wouldn't add anything. Alli an Sterling were awful and gave nothing. Subs were understandable at the time. They didn't work. Colombia were awful and weren't interested in playing football.

04 Jul 2018 12:05:41
Dier had a shocker when he came on, all he did was give the ball away and foul. Really struggled to get into the pace of the game.

But then he tucked away that spot kick and all is forgiven, could have kissed him!

04 Jul 2018 13:07:44
The only problem with the subs is that they were too late.

We were getting kicked in the middle of the park and needed to add the strength of Dier and / or RLC earlier on.

Vardy or Rashford again was the right call but it was 20 minutes too late. Sterling should've been subbed much earlier.

But we won so who cares! IT'S COMING HOME!

03 Jul 2018 22:55:07
I thought Sterling was shocking tonight, my 12 year old son has better touch than he did. Really thought Southgate would have pulled him at HT for Rashford, I believe ENG would have been up a couple goals at the half should Sterling not started.

04 Jul 2018 09:40:11
You wanted a city player taken off for a United player? I can't believe it!

Thought Sterling was steady last night, caused a few problems. He isn't the player he is for City but England don't have De Bruyne and Silva creating the chances for him.

04 Jul 2018 10:32:02
GDS2, lol I know mate but honestly Sterling’s first touch is shocking. I felt that Rashford has the pace the Stering is there for and he certainly will link up better with Lingard.

Cracking win, happy for the boys, but I’d like to see a change at that position.

04 Jul 2018 10:40:56
Rashford can't control the ball either though half the time.

04 Jul 2018 11:58:05
Got to agree with 77,

sterling should have been swapped with Rash in the second half. Colombian defence on yellows and looking suspect get Rash to run at them with some simple balls over the top, in my opinion we let Columbia off the hook and allowed then back into the game. We need to learn and move forward and smash sweeden! . come on England.

04 Jul 2018 17:16:09
Stirling is nothing short of woeful in an engkand shirt offers absolutely nothing cannot control his own feet and hardly runs at players. Hasn’t scored for almost 3 years in an England shirt should be impossible to start him.