Manchester United Banter Archive March 04 2013

04 Mar 2013 22:38:16
I cannot wait until tomorrow I can't be the only one. Have to wait the whole day before the whole thing gets going, I will be so nervous.

This is the day I've been looking forward to since the draw was made, the reason being a football fan is so exciting, the reason we all spend our days on this site hoping we can remain a massive club.

Manchester United v Real Madrid at the Theatre of Dreams, let's get behind the boys and make the atmosphere electric.

Come on you reds!

I'll admit GDS I am excited as you about the game but seen as my pessimistic Views on the first game served us so well I'm going to predict we will get beat ;)

By the way we are a shocking 21/10 to win tomo! These betting sites have no faith haha

I am going to be my pessimistic view as well :). I do rate our defense better than theirs and it will be decided by who can control the middle and feed their strikers with quality service as both sets of strikers can rip teams apart.

I hope I am wrong and will gladly take sh. t from everyone,


Shahram

Jono,

After last time you can predict a 5-0 defeat for all I care ;)

Cannot wait!
Perfect night would be Shinji Kagawa following up his hat-trick over Norwich with a crucial goal tonight, silencing me for the rest of the season!

I'm really nervous about the lack of Jones though. Nobody else can do his job against Ronaldo, IMO.

Our midfield need to really stand up, be counted and prove to us doubters that they are the men for the job.

RED_SKY

United will fall behind by two, come back late and tie the match at two-two. Sadly United will go out on away goals.

04 Mar 2013 21:42:22
how many of the regular posters on here are season ticket holders or go to most games? i'm not doing a kloot here by the way and saying your not a true fan or anything, just generally interested

I am mate

I am a real fan zee:) I always follow manchester UNITED

Unfortunately, I had the misfortune of being born far from Manchester. But it's my dream to get to Old Trafford someday. And I'm secure in being a real fan. Weekend matches at dawn, weekday matches in the middle of work, and until the last few years it required luck on a computer or determination to find a bar with a satellite to see every United match. 15 years and counting, haven't missed one. Not hating on those at the matches at all, I'm jealous in fact. Here's to an incredible match tomorrow, and hopefully one we can celebrate and enjoy for a very very long time. Have fun.

ST holder :)

I've been season ticket holder since 1970
Nomidfield

04 Mar 2013 20:53:54
sorry it was tevez on top, thst norwegian website is rubbish, btw poor villa they are down 1-0 but they are playing good so hope they can turn the match around and good night guys and ed004 and the other ed's, zee:) {Ed004's Note - Good night Zee}

04 Mar 2013 20:18:50
With jones out injured, who will do the job on ronaldo?
Without jones I think we will lose

Sulei

Good to see some positivity.

If we are clinical in front of goal we will win, if we are wasteful then we will lose.

Sydney!

Not sure but fergie has known for long enough that jones might be unavailable so will have a plan b I'm sure.

Come on man have some faith and get behind the lads, we aren't going to lose because one player can't play!

If he is 100% out and not a trick. Its not like Fergie doesn't have previous.

Im trying to be positive but the 1 posistion in our whole squad that we lack in the dm posistion, only jones can play there! and without him and leaves a huge void against madrid. None of cleverly, anderson or carrick can do the job. Do you think fergie would play 1 of the cbs in the dm role possibly rio?

Sulei

It is strange that Fergie declared the day before a major game that one key player isn't fit when he goes out of his way to hide it nearly every other time

Exactly RM, I think its mind games.

Personally I am hoping we get out of the traps quickly and put in a first half hour like the tie against Munich in 2010. Then if we can convince Rafael not to get himself sent off then job done ;)

TK-Red

Jones will be missed, but I think someone like Evans might be a good option to track ronaldo. That will also mean that we can play Rio and vidic at CB's. Evans has a good head on him and has pace and control, so he'll do a good job if required. Let's face it, the way Rooney performed in the first leg, we were playing with ten men so I'm all for packing the midfield and stopping ozil and khadeira from playing.

Funny I was thinking the same yesterday about Evans but did not want to post. He is not a natural midfielder but a pretty decent passer and has an engine on him. I hope fergie is bluffing and jones makes a remarkable recovery in the last 24 hours :)

Shahram

04 Mar 2013 19:58:17
put your money on borussia dortmund to win the cl, great side with the best current attacking manager in europe.
ps, or if you want a long shot, put your money on utd.

Haha good joke (sarcasm) but in all seriousness Dortmund are very impressive. Apparently their net spend over the last decade is less than £20m which is incredible considering the fortunes being spent these days.

At least Utd have odds, Liverpool's are non existent. Just like the possibility of scraping yourselves into at least 4th next season.

Well I will not be betting on Loserpool to win anything: Champions League, Europa League, FA Cup, and EPL. Amazing how you come on here slighting our club when your club is so insignificant.

04 Mar 2013 20:55:46
yes honeybadger, I think jurgen klopp has shown us at lpool the way to go, young players, attacking teams, offcourse there is more to it than that, but it proves money is not the most important thing in football, I think utd will beat real 3-2 by the way, but dortmund or bayern to lift the cup.

Dortmund also openly admit to be a selling club (or have been in recent years to get where they are) - cashing in on the likes of Sahin and Kagawa (for big profits) to ensure finances remain stable, then keep bringing through promising youngsters and bargain transfers. So if Liverpool want to follow that model, perhaps it spells the end for Suarez?

04 Mar 2013 22:16:57
i hope not honeybagger, luis would be hard to replace, but don't forget that next season the tv money doubles to around 3 billion in the premership, so maybe lpool can increase the anfield capicity and hold on to thier good players over the next few seasons, this together with our good youth system, and a good young manager in br, will maybe make us a real force again, I really hope this is the case anyway.

I don't think a Geman club will win, when it comes to crunch time I think they'll be left wanting. For me Barca, Real and Man Utd. Maybe even PSG are all a step ahead. Juve outside bet.

Barca are going out

04 Mar 2013 19:14:08
guys and ed004, what's wrong with valencia does he suffer from a injury or something, he was good last year, zee:) {Ed004's Note - Think he has very low confidence}

Hasn't he got 1 leg longer than the other due tio his ankle injury? And its causing issues.

I've got one leg longer than my others ;)

Supasub

Whoever 'agree'd with Supasub's post - how do you know? ;)

It was me - it tickled me.

His comment, not his leg :)

04 Mar 2013 22:33:08
supasub is a ghetto superstar

04 Mar 2013 18:36:49
Alright Red Snapper

Are you up for a beer tomo night to catch the game?

04 Mar 2013 18:06:43
hi ed004, who do u think saf should use for tommorw's game. zee:) {Ed004's Note - 4-2-3-1. Ge Gea, Rafael, rio and Evans, Evra, Carrick! Cleverley, welbeck, Rooney, kagawa and RVP}

That's the side I tried to post earlier ed, I think Kagawa will play down the middle Rooney will back track more left/ welbeck will be right both helping the full backs. The only change I see being to that side is if Anderson starts ahead of cleverly but I can't see it.

Supasub

I think valencia might start.

shahram

It looks good, hope saf plays 4231, thanks ed004, zee:)

I think there is 2 Possibility

More Likely one is

Rafael Rio Evans Evra
Carrick Cleverly
Valencia Rooney Kagawa
Rvp

That will allow Valencia to help and track back with Rafael. I think Saf might even bring Jones out of his hat.

Rafael Rio Evans Evra
Ando Carrick Cleverly
Kagawa RVP Rooney

The 2nd one would be safer and would contain the midfield. And on 2nd half depending on the score and how the game go. we can decide to bring any of Valencia, Welbeck, Nani, Giggs, Young or Chicha

I think welbeck will play on the left and nani on the right -----------------------de gea----------------------rafael--evans----rio---evra------------nani---carrick---cleverly---welbeck-------------rooney---r v p---------------

Rafa Rio Evans Evra
Kags Carrick Giggs
Welbs RvP Rooney

Sydney!

No Clevs Sydney!? ;)

No, I think that will be the line-up mate.

Sydney!

04 Mar 2013 17:37:01
hi guys, I have a wierd feeling about the game tommorw and don't like the feeling think i'm just nervous, hope the feeling fades away by tommorw. hope we win, its a important match for us tommorw I hope we win 4-2 or we get a draw 0-0, cheers guys, zee:)

04 Mar 2013 17:18:36
Glad Norwich game is out of the way. Good win. Now for Real, I'm sure saf will be saying to our players to go out and win the game, I don't think we can go in with a negative attitude to get a goalless draw. We have to get on the pitch and win the game.
So I think saf will start with an attacking formation, so be prepared for a lot of goals and a lot of finger biting.
Good luck to the Reds.
Nomidfield

04 Mar 2013 16:07:43
As Ronaldo is back in Manchester again I was thinking about our squad next year and summer transfers. If Real were to sell Ronaldo with him supposedly deciding not to sign a new contract, if he came to us what would that mean for us transfer wise and squad wise next year. Here are my thoughts.

We should have the usual £50 million kitty plus money from sales.

Ronaldo would cost approx. £60million I would guess and then we would need the box to box cm people have been crying out for so that would require another £20million or so I would guess. Our outlay on these 2 would be approx £80 million.

Sales wise I would say Nani (£15m) will go as he won't agree a new deal. If we are bringing in a new cm I would say probably Anderson (£12m) may move on also. These 2 will bring in approx £27million to add to the £50m kitty so we would only need £3million extra to bring in the 2 players above. This would be made by selling bit part players and younger players like Bebe, Macheda etc. Wages would be saved by selling the above plus Scholes retiring, possibly Fletcher too so this wouldn't be a problem.

The depth of cover we would have in each position would then be as follows.

GK - DeGea, Lindegaard, Amos
RB - Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Valencia
LB - Evra (1 more year), Buttner, Fabio, Blackett
CB - Rio (1 more year), Vidic, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Keane
CM - New signing, Carrick, Cleverley, Jones, Powell,
Giggs (1 more year), Kagawa
LW - Ronaldo, Young, Giggs, Kagawa, Welbeck
RW - Valencia, Ronaldo, Young, Welbeck
CF - Van Persie, Rooney, Ronaldo, Hernandez, Henriquez,
Keane

I for one would be very happy with this depth per position next year plus we would have brought back 1 of the best players to ever grace our fantastic club. We would then have to address Rio, Giggs and Evra leaving summer 2014.

Now, I am not saying that I think this will definately happen but if it were to happen I think we would be a lot stronger next year than this year and we are doing amazingly well this year so we would be in a great position. We also have some very good youngsters coming through in the Keanes, Daehli, Tunnicliffe, Lingard, Blackett, Januzaj etc so we may not even need replacements for Evra, Giggs and Rio and could wait and replace Vidic at a later date who knows.

If this were to happen would people be happy? I'm not wanting to see everyone elses perfect scenario as let's face it we have no idea what Fergie will do but all I was interested in is if he decided the above would you be as excited as me for next season?

Meant to add that I have Welbeck as covering the wings as I don't think he is currently good enough for a central role. He has lots of energy but his touch and finishing aren't currently up to standard.

Brendan81

No we still look too weak in midfield.

3 out in Scholes/ Fletcher/ Anderson and only 1 in. Not enough for me i'm afraid, I think we need 2 if those 3 all go.

No name there is one thing that everyone can be certain of and that is that Fergie won't buy 2 midfielders this summer no matter who else we buy. He may keep Anderson for the 6 games a year we get out of him but personally i'd get rid, Fletcher hasn't played in ages anyway, Scholes is a bit part at the minute aswell. I think you might see Tunnicliffe getting more game time next season alongside Carrick, Cleverley, Powell, Giggs, Jones, Kagawa and the new signing that i'm pretty sure we will finally get. I personally think we will be ok with this and want to give 1 or 2 younger guys a go as we have some useful players coming through.

Brendan81

We will have a good £60 million to spend I think. Nani leaving will fetch £15 million. For a squad next year:

GK: De Gea, Lindegaard, Johnstone.

RB: Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Fabio,

LB: Evra, Fabio, Buttner.

CB: Evans, Ferdinand, Vidic, Smalling, Jones.

CM: Strootman, Carrick, Cleverly, Anderson, Jones, Powell, Giggs.

RW: Valencia, Kagawa, Zaha, Welbeck.

LW: Ronaldo, Young, Kagawa, Giggs, Welbeck.

CF: Van Persie, Ronaldo, Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck.

There will be youngsters included of course. But I think the Keane's will get EPL loans. Petrucci and Tunnicliffe might be let go, same as Lingard. However Blackett and Januzaj may step up until January before going out on loan.

Budget allowing, Begovic to replace Lindegaard.

That would be my plan anyway. {Ed004's Note - I would love to see Ronaldo signed though think it is unlikely. However a summer of Rooney, Nani and possibly one of Valencia or young sold with Rodriguez, Strootman and possibly Baines being covered by the fees for both Nani and Rooney then spend our whole budget on Ronaldo. A front four of Rodriguez kagawa Ronaldo and RVP would be brilliant.}

Tunners will be on loan either full season in the Championship or half season in the Prem. If he stays he'll only play cup games depending on the draw.

Powell will also most likely get a Prem loan.

Giggs has shown this season he can still do a job on the left but not in the centre.

Kagawa will play No 10 not in midfield.

Anderson should go.

I think we'll sign Strootman, but I have to say that we could do with 1 other if Scholes, Fletcher and Anderson all do depart

04 Mar 2013 15:52:37
So with news that Jones is not available, who takes on the role? Cleverly?

Shahram

Must not get too fixated with cr7. Real have got a lot of other good players. My thoughts, if we go out and play to our strengths then we should be OK and can get the win we need.
I don't think real have got a great defence, so let's test them.
Nomidfield

This is where we are short, Strootman would be just what we need now.

Sydney!

If Jones doesn't play then Cleverly must start IMO. Not a straight switch obviously but then we don't have a direct replacement for Jones.

The post was not about CR7 but a who will do the bruising midfield work against Alonzo and Khedira. in the first game jones put himself about and gave us some muscle in the middle of the pitch and he has great pace for a big guy.

I am very nervous and worried. Whatever happens I hope we give a good account of ourselves and stand proud.

Shahram

04 Mar 2013 15:07:04
Due to work, I found myself in Dudley today so I took the opportunity to visit Dudley cemetery and pay my respects at the grave of Duncan Edwards. I would recommend this pilgrimage to any United supporter as it is a very moving experience. There was a beautiful bunch of red and white flowers in a vase and still plenty of messages from the 21st. There is also a big statue of Duncan in Dudley town centre as well as a pub and a street named after him. God bless you Duncan

I was working in Dudley last week too, it never even occurred to me to go look around wish I had now I would have loved to have payed my respects to the lad. Never forgotten.

Is the grave easy to find Kloot? I am in Birmingham on business in a few weeks and was going to take a detour on the way back to go while I was down in that area as thankfully I don't have to go often.

Thanks

04 Mar 2013 16:59:50
Apart from when you're in Dudley. ; )

Whistler.

Whistler, had to read that 3 times to get what you were going on about. Had me institches when I worked it out!

Kloot, good post. Your knowledge of United's history is always good to read (if not some of your other posts ;).

Went to Uni in the area so walked past the staue most days. The grave is nice. If your in the area its worth a look.

04 Mar 2013 12:19:04
Just read that city is targeting pogba. I am sure lots of people in here can remember the fear I have shown after his transfer that its viera behind the scene for this and he wil take him to city. As he can't move there straight away juve wil be the stepping stone then he will move to city so he don't suffer fan's wrath. Viera still has great relation there and how he engineered that move.

Last year I have posted this. Now rumours are started gathering that he may join city.

I know its peper talk and far from real but still looks like my guessing could be true here.

Rodio17

Pogba could have moved straight to City in the summer if he chose to. He couldn't give a monkey's about the fans.

Sydney!

Nobody. Cares. About. Pogba.

We have a match against Real Madrid tomorrow and the biggest 2 weeks of our season coming up, and people are still banging on about a player who made 3 sub appearances for the first team.

Sorry rodio this isn't just aimed at you as I know you did say stuff about him and city a while ago, but it's not the time to be discussing players who didn't want to be at the club and there are posts about him on here every time he makes a 30 yard pass.

Rodio don't listen to these two. You make some very good points. Pogba will turn out to be a fabulous midfielder just in the mould that we needed. Unfortunately for whatever reasons he had, Sir Alex wouldn't play him and brought Scholes out of retirement and put him in the team in front of him. Paul was very happy here and will always have a place in his heart for the club and supporters I just feel he feels insulted by the way he was treated and the wages he was offered. Sydney I am surprised by you. You normally are so knowledgeable about our youth sides and I am sure you know about the policy to have them on low wages and the problems this has caused. Pogba was not treated well by the club and there has been some very clever press leaks to make it look like he was being greedy.

So how much do u think we should pay an unproven 18yr old KLOOT? Wot ever happened to earning the right to wear the shirt u go on about so much?
Chris the REDman

Syd.
If u remember whn rooney was uncertain with his contract hooded people threatened him from joining city. So I guess pogba or viera didn't wanted off field trouble for the lad so he moved to juve. whr viera was playing at sometime.

Nw whn he is juve player he can move as we all say money talks.

Rodio17

Klooty boy has to try to make everything into a Glazer / SAF hate fest, surprised you didn't try to blame Rooney (spurred on by that nefarious Mr Gill)as well!

Yes you are so right Mike what we pay players and our youth strategy has nothing to do with the Glazers. Would you like to buy some magic beans or how about London bridge

Lol Mike, now you mention it I too am surprised Pogba leaving isn't somehow down to Rooney's poor first touch (according to the mighty one).

HBadger

Kloot, Pogba treated badly? Offered £25k a week to stay, nearly £10k a week more than any other United youth graduate has ever been offered at this club. Listen to the editor, he has already said playing time and a weekly salary was not why he left the club. He was badly advised to leave the club by his agent. He was hawking him around Europe long before Scholes come back. He was always going to leave the club.

That being said he is what we are missing and he is a magnificent player. He will be the best on this planet for his position within 2/3 years.

Sydney!

Pogba left because we didn't give him game time. I can't believe someone saying "unproven 18 year old"! You could see that pogba was the real deal, saf just would not play him! Then he tried to keep him by which time it was too late.
If he now goes to city then we only have ourselves to blame.
A lot of posters want to pay millions for cabaye, strootman, wanayama etc, while we had pogba here and he would have cost nothing.
Big cockup by saf and the club are trying to make out that pogba was greedy etc. They should just admit the mistake and get on with it.

No name, so if it was down to playing time then why was his agent hawking him around Europe in the summer time a year before he left? Did he have a crystal ball and did he foresee the manager not playing him?

Pogba is good, but he isn't a psychic.

Sydney!

No name above, that was me that said he was unproven, prove me wrong then, what did he prove to u in the 3 years he was with us except he was a really good reserve team player? What a muppet u are! If we gave huge contracts to every exciting youth player we have we would of been skint by now!
You know not all players that look really good in the reserves can make it at top level, ok pogba has had a good first season with juve, I really couldn't care less mate, he didn't wanna stay, went chasing the quick £'s instead of showing any commitment to our club and fighting and earning a first team spot.
As kloot has said many times u have to show u are worthy to wear the united shirt, and as sir alex says if u work hard show commitment and improve the money will come to u!
The whole pogba saga left a bad taste in my mouth when we took him from le harve in the first place and tbh having an agent like riola only spells trouble anyway so in a way i'm glad he gone, although he is going to be a very good player it seems atm, but let's give him 10 years before we start ruing our loss!

04 Mar 2013 17:49:12
KLOOT,
I can't believe such drivel from someone who clearly knows a lot about United in general, utter cr@p but then I think you know that deep down.

My favourite bit - "Paul was very happy here and will always have a place in his heart for the club and supporters". LOL when did you become such a sap? So Pogba was playing for the shirt was he? That is a classic.

Also, was Pogba starting games before the January when Scholes came out of retirement? What has Scholes to do with anything.

Does an 18 year old with hardly any first team experience deserve a wage of £30k+ p/w or should he not have to prove he deserves it first?

In the words of SAF "When you play for Manchester United the money finds you". In other words, perform well and you will be rewarded with good wages. Perform better and you will be rewarded with better wages. Surely this is the only sensible way to run a football club.

I find your opinion on the Pogba situation highly hypocritical given your opinion on Rooney! Would love you to explain that one but I know you can't.

The answer is clearly - whatever you can use to have a swipe at the running of the club you will. Whether that be a player who's greed we should not give into or a player who's greed we shouldn't!

HBadger

Noname you're talking rubbish. As per Syd's reply. So when Giggs and Scholes emerged as future stars did we offer them silly wages higher than that of some of the first team? Or did we offer them a decent wage for youngster's THEN reward them AFTER they'd proved themselves? There's a difference between PROMISING and PROVEN you see. Dear me.

I'm sure he'll be a good player but if that's his attitude and with that agent it'll come a cropper at some point.

Meanwhile i'm sure we'll find some other kid somewhere just as good to get over it.

04 Mar 2013 08:02:18
"The age I am at now is the time when most players start to peak, " Rooney said. "From now and across the next four or five years. Hopefully that will be the case and the team will benefit from that.

"I haven't played as many games as I normally would have at this point in the season and I do feel fresh and ready for that battle until the end of the season.

"It has been a bit of a stop-start season for me with a couple of injuries, which has been a bit disappointing. I just want to keep myself fit until the end of the season now and play a part in as many games as I can to help the team be successful. "

Come on Wayne you know as well as the rest of us that you peaked a long time ago. The medical staff and sports scientists at the club would have told you this, that is their job after all. It's time to adapt my friend, if anyone has the ability and talent to do it you can.

Sydney!

Syd
You go on and on about Rooney peaking years ago, in fact I don't think there has been a single thread on Rooney this year when you've missed the chance to say it.
I personally think it's a far bigger question, he hasn't reached the level a lot were expecting but his game has changed a lot but I've gone through this a lot defore and have no wish to do so again.
I was wondering why it's so important to you that he peaked years ago.

Also you keep going on about selling him and if it's true he only has 2 years left on his contract (I find it strange that this hasn't really been mentioned if it is true, compare it to all the talk about ronaldo) a decision will need to be made.
But have you seen any sign that fergy is going to sell Rooney, any sign that Rooney isn't one of the first names on the teamsheet. Any talk of contract issues or any talk that United are thinking about selling Rooney.

My work is done ;)

Sydney!

Syd
It was a genuine question pal, of to work now so it doesn't matter

Jred, I was just trying to get you to bite, it was silly of me really. Not much happening on this fine Monday morning so I was being a bit of a nuisance.

Sydney!

04 Mar 2013 13:07:18
Whilst at the club Rooney will always be one of the first names on the team sheet. I think Fergie publicly forgave him for the good of the team but privately is a different matter. I suspect Fergie will have the last laugh. Mort.

Sydney you were right we saw the best of him a long time ago

Kloot, I still think Rooney has a lot to offer and I do feel more comfortable with him in the team, but I agree that we have probably seen the best of Rooney.

Sydney!

He'll go on summer break and come back a stone too heavy and we'll be talking about the same subject next year, unless we do then right thing and sell him.