Manchester United Banter Archive October 04 2014

04 Oct 2014 20:03:10
Carrick plays tomm and captains the side I say.

Personally I would look to Blind as Captain in the next three games. They said Keane was SAF's representative on the pitch, likewise Blind knows LvG and what he wants. When we went down to 10 men Last week I watched him cajoling and organising. Captain in football isn't as important as cricket by a long way yet there should be a leader and loudest voice on the pitch and Blind could do it.

I also think Blind should be captain, makes perfect sense.

05 Oct 2014 10:24:27
Very unlikely at a club like United to give the captaincy to a new relatively unproven 24 year old, regardless of whether he knows the manager well. Just can't see it.

04 Oct 2014 06:04:53
All this talk about Wellbeck is just ridiculous. Credit to him for sure but, he only scored a couple of goals and suddenly everyone is hyping it up and saying he will outscore Falcao, Rooney, RVP - really? Those 3 guys have "been there done that" and scored lots of goals and some sensational ones as well. And when these guys are on form, does Wellbeck really stand a chance of outscoring them, not really.

Wellbeck may have the pace, strength and a few skills on the ball but, if you are a striker - first and foremost you need to be clinical in front of goal. Falcao, RVP and Rooney are not only clinical but, have a touch of magic about them and they have been consistent at what they do.

For Wellbeck to be considered as one of the best strikers, he needs to be decisive, clinical in front of goal and be consistent and score 20+ goals every season. Until then he is just a potential.

I can understand the centiments of the United faithful - a local lad who everyone wanted to do well but, it didn't work out. He certainly added pace and energy to our side and did admirably well in a couple of matches, when he was at United. Unfortunately he was never going to get enough matches ahead of Rooney/RVP and even if he did he wasn't as decisive and clinical as the other strikers in the squad. With United's current situation and finishing in TOP 4 a must, we got Falcao in and Wellbeck really needed to move on for his own good.

Wellbeck is now gone, good luck to him. Instead of just lavishing praise on him everytime he does something good, let's move on and talk about our own players for a change - McNair Debut, Januzaj's goal. Let's move on from the past.

He is still bambi and glad he is gone.

"Centiments" = very precisely measured emotions.

In my opinion he had his chance with us, form is temporary class is permanent

I don't get the phrase "form is temporary, class is permanent." Surely players must come into good form to be considered to have class?? Look at Sturridge before he joined Liverpool. Does Fernando Torres still have class?

04 Oct 2014 03:29:00
The whole discussion about selling players which includes the likes of Rooney/RVP/Mata is quite interesting. Given the fact that we will be challenging for top honours in the near future, IMO we need to keep our experienced top quality players in the squad.

As others suggested, I would say first get rid of the likes of Anderson, Young, Valencia, Cleverley, Nani, Fellaini, Smalling/Evans and others who are not in LVG's plans, which should free up enough space and give enough gametime to keep everyone happy. Bring in quality CM, CB and a winger(similar to DiMaria) - would prefer players with some real pace. That should complete the squad.

Even if we need to sell the likes of Rooney/RVP/Mata, we need to have a replacement in place already - especially our strikers. Both Rooney/RVP are clinical and can get us 20+ goals a season so, if one of them was to go and say for eg. Wilson was to step in as replacement, initially he should bring in say 10+ goals atleast. Mata's position would be the most under threat, with Rooney already taking his place and the likes of Janujaz/Perriera/Herrera who can also play in that position, it is a complicated situation. He is a pure no.10 with lots of experience and too good to be on the bench. If he feels undervalued and doesn't get enough gametime, he would eventually decide to move on.

IMO, Rooney is pretty much safe, he does score goals and is versatile enough for LVG's tactics. RVP - if he keeps scoring goals, can't see LVG letting him go anytime soon - by the time he is gone, hope Wilson is ready. Mata - a lot will depend on how much gametime he is afforded and if LVG sees him in his plans.

On an another note, really pleasing to see the young lads getting a chance and they are making the most of it. Hope they get more gametime this season and can't wait for Falcao to start banging some goals in.

Next summer rvp will have 1 year on his contract and be 32.
would you give him a new one

No, maybe like old days one year extensions but nothing more that is if he is still scoring goals.

I would be very surprised if RvP hasn't got a clause in his current contract where MU could secure him for a further year if they wished to. Similar to what Berbatov had, similar to that of Evra and all of our signings this summer.

There is also very high loyalty fees built into RvP's contract so it's much more likely that we will let his contract run down. I think it's fair to say that he will probably have 1-2 more seasons at the club. We will see :)

{Ed007's Note - Nice to see you back, Syd, I hope everything's OK pal.}

Syd
I don't think its much more likely he will stay for another couple of years.
If he has another injury hit season i think he is gone .
if we play 4-3-3 next year which i think we will falcao will be our striker.
I also think if some one offered him a 3 year deal (which united won't ) he might well be off .
Juventus, milan maybe inter

007, I am okay mate thanks.

Jred, you could well be right, but I think he still offers a lot. Even now whilst he's hit a poor patch he still gets goals. Injuries could well be key to LvG's decision, but financially it could be better for MU to keep him than let him go. If rumours are accurate then a £10m loyalty fee payout is what he will receive if he is sold. He wouldn't sell for much more than £15m due to his age. It may be better to let his contract run down.

{Ed007's Note - Good stuff (y)

Syd, good that your back.

Thanks guys, I'm glad to be back, HMP Dartmoor just isn't the same as home :)

{Ed002's Note - Welcome back Syd.}

Syd
It all rumours but i read he got the 10 mill if he saw his contract out .
But that's all ifs and buts .
time will tell but i wouldn't be surprised if he left

Welcome back Syd!

RVP will NOT be in a United shirt next season. He's off. Which gives a bit more 'why' to the Falcao deal.