Manchester United Banter Archive April 05 2014

05 Apr 2014 22:23:16
I for the first time am actually going to defend Moyes and say hats of to him he has got his tactics spot on against Newcastle West Ham Aston Villa and Bayren maybe with a little confidence he can pick the team up and win every game from now to the end of the season I mean in the league for those of you who thought I was thinking we would win the Champions League which in my mind isn't impossible as it looks

05 Apr 2014 19:59:48
Good result with plenty of positives to take from the game. Really pleased to see Lindegaard get a game and play well when called upon!

Also really enjoy the Mata/Kagawa connection two really smart footballers, unfortunately I don't believe DM will stick with Kags next season.

I am really looking forward to the summer hopefully some real quality is brought in. Just hope no repeat of last year.

And here's to hoping Mr Fellaini comes good *Its good to dream* haha!

Up the reds - Buzzing for midweek!

Cheers folks

JR

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05 Apr 2014 17:45:13
great performance from the lads today. fellaini? stil not convinced. but plenty of the lads gave the manager something to think about from GK all the way to the striker

05 Apr 2014 17:31:47
Who was your man of the match. Mata? Kagawa? Jones? Lindegard? For me it has to be Shinji. he's in quite some form, hope he starts against Bayern

Mata and Shinji dominated the show, they both play better when the others on the pitch because they're so similar in the way they play that it's easier for them to find space and harder for the other team to track, constantly wondering all over the pitch. You can tell they both rate each other highly.

05 Apr 2014 17:08:26
Don't know about you boys but thought some of the football we played, was sublime and great to watch.

I realise some will say Newcastle was very poor but I prefer to look at how well we passed the ball and just killed the game.

Everyone played very well with the exception of Evra, however he looks like he is starting to break down given the volume of football he has played this year.

A very good win against a tricky team! We're clearly growing and improving each game. Well done to the boys and the Manager today.

Agree cgu! I think that is the best I have seen us play this year. We passed it very well and it was good to see players one touches and moving the ball quickly which is in total contrast to what we have done so far this season.
Kagawa and mata were at the middle of all good things and I thought fellaini played well too as did fletcher. Januzaj was a vast improvement on young. And we have to keep chicaritto as he gives us a different dimension.
Well done to the players and the manager. A vast improvement on what we've seen so far this season.

Nick86/nomid

Mata and Kagawa give us 2 excellent creative players and it seems like there is always one involved in everything good that we did. I thought Hernandez was also very good with his movement.

I thought fletcher and fellaini were very good and it looks like fletcher is finally getting his legs back.

It will be interesting to see what we do come wednesday and who plays. Bayern lost today for the first time in yonkers but fielded a second string team.

I hope we do not play Evra, he looks like his legs are gone.

Ev's legs went 3-4 seasons ago.

I hope we can use this kind of formation in the last games. We need to have criativity up there in front to be able to score goals.

One of the biggest problem this year is that we always tried to avoid defeat even against smaller teams and got exactly what we deserved.

Now we have nothing to lose, so, 3 criative players behind the striker and 2 behind the 3 will score us plenty of goals and consequently we'll win games.

I still think that with this squad, 4th place should be the lower we should get. But right now this win against Newcastle was really delicious.

Way to go.

I think the fact we have to score against Bayern will be good for us and make us more positive. So it should be a good game. Bayern are very good but they're not invincible.

Nomidfield

Agree, also momentum is important and Bayern seem to have lost theirs after winning the league, whilst we have a little from the last couple of games.

What are the chances of us getting away with Mata playing against Bayern in Rooney's shirt wearing a shrek mask?

It is funny but I am of the opinion that if we have a transfer window in January then anyone who has a permanent move at that time should be allowed to play in any competition regardless of whether they have played in it for someone else previously. Otherwise it isn't a true transfer window.

05 Apr 2014 15:50:06
Mick1 lallana is a superb player that should be playing CL football. I cannot rate him highly enough. Not better than kawaga? i'm not wasting my time on a such a poor and incorrect conclusion. The boy loves Southampton and both he and club are happy as things stand

All I see you do is talk the team down, so I had a little click on your name and you certainly don't seem to be a Manchester United supporter, or not a very good one at least. Something tells me you have a thing for Liverpool.

That said - this season, perhaps due to playing time and Lallana fighting for a world cup place whilst Kagawa pretty much has his cemented, he is performing better than Kagawa. Ultimately, Kagawa is a better player than Lallana.

I think both of you are exaggerating your points.

I've followed Lallana since his loan spell at Bournemouth and he's a terrific player.

He's by far England's best winger and I would go as far as to say one of the best wide men in the league.

He's a different breed of player, what you tend to find is that players either have god gifted talented or incredible work-rate. It's very rare you find a player with both. Well, Lallana has both. his footwork is sublime and his passing, finishing and general all round play is pin point.

I would love him at United. My only concern is that his best position this season has been on the right handside, when we're most in need on the Left.

Is he going to be on par with Ronaldo? hell no. But I believe he's certainly good enough to make the sort of progress that Sturridge has made at Liverpool (although a different player, in a different position, I'm talking about the way he's stepped up).

Would I take him? In a heart beat.
But I wouldn't pay a penny over £20M.

Hoping Moyes takes note of how well Mata and Kagawa are playing in this formation.Definately the way forward.Why buy Lallana?Sure he's an excellent player but we need other positions filling.Imagine a Vidal, Rakitic, Kroos or, dare I say it, Pogba playing in this formation.Chuck in a quality left back and a couple of defenders, definitely exciting. But how On earth do you accommodate van Persie and Rooney.Rooney hasn't been missed today has he?

When you have the likes of Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj, even Nani in the team, they will put some nice stuff together. In all likeliness Nani and Kagawa will be sold in the summer, both will go on and be exceptional players in their new teams. It's a real shame that we have started playing some nice football this late into the season. If only Moyes trusted Kagawa from the start. With a few good signings this summer and RvP staying fit, we will be a stronger side next season.

{Ed004's Note - I think Kagawa will stay now tbh}

Ay3,

Just read some of Als posts as well, he seems to be a fan or Liverpool and Southampton, certainly not a united fan and seems to take great pleasure in having a go at our fans and making out we are all stupid for having a differing opinion.

What point are you trying to prove al, are you a united fan or just a terrible WUM?

Great win today, we have finally hit some form a bit late in the season, such a shame we aren't in a position to finish top 4, I think we are going to finish pretty close to it and be gutted we dropped point against west brom and stoke etc. The games against the big boys are the reason we aren't winning the league but if we had played better against the smaller teams I think top 4 would be right in our grasp.

Mata showed us how he can play and the one touch football was superb, maybe we should sell Rooney and rvp, clearly don't need either of them ;)

004, I don't think Moyes judges whether or not he is going to keep a player on a game by game basis. I think Moyes may have already made his mind up. We all know what Kagawa is capable of and if we bought very attacking fullbacks, he is the perfect player to have alongside Mata and Rooney.

@Sydney!

I think Kagawa might stay.

To get the best out of him you need players like Mata, Nani around him who like playing one touch stuff. We didn't have that at the start.

This is getting ridiculous, Kagawa is a 2 time bundesliga winner, best player for 2 years running in Germany ahead of players such as Lewandowski, Goetze, Gundogan, Kroos, Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, ( should I go on? ).

Before coming here, Kagawa was a world class player. We were actually having a discussion over whether we should get Kagawa or Hazard ( I recall my opinion at the time was that Kagawa is the better player, while Hazard is younger and has more potential ).

And since I can say that I watch the bundesliga quite often, and I have been for the last 5 odd years, I can fairly say Kagawa is/was a much better player than Lallana.

Ferguson wanted to bring Kagawa and build the team around him, with Rooney as a striker, but then RVP became available and we a know how that turned out.

Just because Lallana has performed better than Kagawa this season it does not mean he is a superior player, ot means Kagawa is struggling to adapt to the league, and more importantly, to David Moyes.

IMO Kagawa is not going anywhere syd. Rebuilding is about bringing in better players and keeping your good players.

I am looking forward to the summer and genuinely think we will get some high quality players.

{Ed004's Note - Anyone else beginning to think Cleverley could be sold? There were rumours Martinez and Everton were interested. He is hardly featuring ATM and I think Moyes wants two midfielders such as Carvalho and Kroos/Gundogan}

I think Ferguson wanted to sell Rooney.There was definitely interest in Lewandowski.As it turned out, he chose Bayern and van Persie became available.The rest is history.I would of loved to have seen Kagawa AND Lewandowski at United.They are a top quality partnership, almost telepathic.We would of smashed the league this year with them up top and the money from Rooney's sale invested in the midfield, things would be very different, with or without Moyes.
It is going to be interesting to see how Moyes takes things from here.Some players have sent a very strong message.I hope Moyes listens.

Ed004

Are you teasing us because you know what some of us think about Mr. Cleverly around here :)

Watching Fletcher take responsibility for moving the ball forward and not being scared of holding on to it and being positive, makes me wonder when and where cleverly will play especially after the summer with the additional players coming in.

The only reason we keep him would be if we are short of our quota for home grown players. We also have Powel coming back.

{Ed004's Note - Oh I know of nothing concrete just a suspicion. Hoping Moyes plan for next season is Carrick, Fletcher, Fellaini covering Vidal/Carvalho and Gundogan/Kroos. In an ideal world I think a perfect summer is one if each of Benetia/Garay/Mangala, Shaw/Carvalho, Vidal/Bender/Carvalho, Gundogan/Kroos/Rakitic/Koke, Reus/Di Maria/Sanchez/Griezmann. Btw each are in order of preference. Though Gundogan only if he is 100% fit and Sanchez if barca ban is retracted or appealed}

ED 004:God I hope so, I really do.I feared that the pathetic petition might have caused Moyes to back Cleverly to the hilt and give him a silly money, five year contract.I think he needs the move really as he isn't progressing at all.Good luck to him if he does go though.

004, no I don't think he will be sold. In fact I think he will sign a new deal.

Shahram, I think Kagawa will be sold if a decent enough offer is made.

But just because Moyes would sell him doesn't mean he will be sold.

Same goes for Hernandez. I think both will be available for sale, but could stay.

Ed004

That is some list mate and I don't see it happening but even if we got 4 players in Lb, CB, CM, LW I would be delighted.

I don't think Vidal will happen because Juve will sell Pogba and keep Vidal.

Carvalho and Kroos and I can also see us moving for Reus. CB Mangala or Garay and Shaw at left back.

There is also a good possibility that 1 or 2 PSG midfielders who will be available.

It will also be interesting to see what Uefa does about the City and PSG financials and what I consider related party transactions that stink to high heaven.

{Ed004's Note - it is some list I don't think many are possible ie Benetia, Vidal and Sanchez etc won't be. Just offering back up options. I feel we could be seeing quite a few departures Rio, Vidic, Evra, Cleverley, Anderson and Nani, along with possibly Nani, Young, Kagawa (Hope and praying he won't go wouldn't blame him) and Hernandez with possibly Rooney/RVP leaving. A player who has impressed me massively this season is Sneiderlin}

Ed004

Speaking of our targets. Watching sporting against paco. Carvalho scored but this is a really poor league and for his size he can move pretty good.

Bebe has had a couple of screamers and the boy can shoot.

I know people might laugh at this but bebe has gotten better and we will get a better price for him when we sell him.

I think Herrera and Pjanic from Roma would be good options as well.

05 Apr 2014 13:09:29
I'm feeling a new found optimism, the Bayern performance was pleasing, Mata has his first goal and things are looking on the up. Just wanted to bring up Lallana, do the eds think that we might go in for him? I don't think we will have time time this summer to sign a big names forward, but could someone like Lallana top us up for a bit? He would probably become a bit like our version of James Milner but would be a good addition to the squad.

I hope not. Don't get me wrong, he is a very talented player, just not talented enough.

He's a bit like Kagawa, with inferior vision, pedigree and technical ability. The only thing he has over Kagawa is the manager's trust, and he is on better form right now. But Kagawa is a superior player and replacing him with Lallana might just be one of the stupidest things we can manage to do this summer.

I don't want anyone to replace Kagawa, he's becoming more important to us by the game.

Fresh, lallana top united up top for a bit? s that a serious question, is there any united fan on here with some sense or knowledge

05 Apr 2014 09:19:50
Pardoe

Down the page you say you didn't see much of Kroos against us? We're you watching the same game?!

He absolutely bossed the game, we couldn't get the ball off him! Apart from Swiny's goal he was totally out classed by Kroos.

The biggest complement I can pay him is that it is like watching Scholes aged 34. He is so intelligent with the ball, he sees everything quicker than anyone around him, and seemingly never makes the wrong decision. He also tackles better than Scoles!

Could you imagine Vidal and Kroos together in a 4-2-3-1, would be the best midfield in world football imo.

Shame, can't see us being able to sign either of them.

Dodgy banter

I agree, I thought Kroos passed the ball beautifully and that it was like watching Scholes. Still not sure if we are being used to get an improved salary though

Gavin

Thiago Motta is more like scholes than Kroos. Beautiful player to watch. Kroos shooting though is better.

Agree with you GCU. Motta was so calm and composed against Chelsea.