Manchester United Banter Archive April 05 2018

 

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05 Apr 2018 20:26:15
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05 Apr 2018 19:36:29
I haven't seen a Scouser this more excited over one leg since Paul McCartney met Heather mills 😀😀😀😀.

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05 Apr 2018 22:32:29
This is funny?

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05 Apr 2018 17:02:00
Hey fellas, hope you all doing great. Been watching videos of strikers and oh my how improved is Lukaku.
He reminds me of Adriano "Imperatore". At this rate he could be better. Anyone have examples of strikers in that mould? Pace, power and shot?

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05 Apr 2018 17:18:57
hes been our best player this season, he's a few goals off scoring 30 goals in his first season and we haven't exactly given him a sack full of chances.

he did go threw a sticky patch but for me he's been good this season.

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05 Apr 2018 20:25:39
He's really stepped up to the challenge of playing for a big club. It takes balls to do what he has.

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05 Apr 2018 21:07:53
We need more like him. You can see that he gets the club.

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05 Apr 2018 15:11:00
I've not been to Old Trafford in a while as I don't live in the country anymore. But I was back last weekend for the game against Swansea and noticed a few things that one might not notice watching on tv.

Firstly, you just don't realize how good Lukaku is until you see his off the ball movement. How silly do those who said he wasn't intelligent enough look now? He would score so many more if our midfielders would pick out his runs well.

Secondly, Jesse Lingard and Sanchez's effort and energy on the pitch is unreal. They give their 110% and chase the player down towards our own half if they lose the ball.

Contrast to that Pogba's effort was constantly lacking. For someone who plays in central midfield the busiest area of the pitch his workrate was quite shocking. He just walks around the pitch and gets caught ball watching. Going forward he lacks the brains to play the right pass and struggles to understand when to keep possession and see how the game could develop 2-3 passes further ahead like a top CM should. He constantly tries for the Hollywood ball and to be flashy and too smart. Also the ease with which he can be pressed into losing possession and we will get punished against the top sides playing someone like him in CM. He looked our weakest link all game.

Matic, alongwith Lukaku is the reason we've improved from 6th to 2nd. Top player and calm on the ball and even better positioning without it. Has the personality, brains and character Pogba lacks.

Lastly, after watching Ashley Young's effort on the pitch, I now completely understand why Jose picks him over Shaw.

Also it was very clear that we sit deeper because Jose doesn't trust our center backs without Bailly in the team.

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05 Apr 2018 17:00:47
Top post Redfaith. Pogba just looks too slow to me or he just doesn't bother.

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05 Apr 2018 17:53:54
Thats what i've been saying for a while now, he lacks effort. that's why even young Mctommy looks better than him with half or even less the talent pogba has. I even see his lack of effort on the french national team, kante plays at a different level than pogba and anybody else who plays central mid. You can see the big difference kante does for france when you put lazy mids around him.

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05 Apr 2018 22:27:26
Spot on Redfaith.
I just feel that Pogba has had too much too young, like so many footballers nowadays.
Think they forget the r aeons why it is that they are famous and so well paid.
There is no excuse about not putting in the effort on the pitch.
Pogba has great talent but currently little effort and motivation. He should be a box to box CM who dominates the midfield and runs games. He also had the luxury of a great player alongside him in Matic who can cover when he surges forward.
Think he wants out deep down.

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05 Apr 2018 22:28:16
Excellent post Redfaith - a number of valid points. Matic is such a class player; everything goes through him. Best buy!

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06 Apr 2018 08:35:39
Good post Redfaith. I have been shocked by the lack of effort pogba displays. And I've been critical of his off field activities and the need to post on Twitter every 3 seconds, or the change of hairstyle every day, when he should be concentrating on his football and his fitness and work rate. How many flashy footballers do you see make it to the top. Ronaldo is the only exception and he has a clean image. Ronaldo also has priorities in the right place. He works and trains and plays very intensely and the off field comes second.
I'll be delighted to sell pogba and replace him with Isco and veratti or Kroos.

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05 Apr 2018 14:34:29
How do you think city will approach the Derby game ed, do you think pep will think the Liverpool tie is beyond saving . His team selection could be influenced by how he sees it, there's a couple of schools of thought beat utd take the tittle go into Liverpool game on a high or it's a derby there may be tackles flying in, the league's in the bag anyway and he needs all his best players fit, not injured and ready to throw the kitchen sink at Liverpool . Obviously you can't read his mind but what do you suspect.

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{Ed002's Note - As any other game. He certainly won't see any game as beyond saving.}

05 Apr 2018 13:04:22
Youhave applaud players regardless of who they play for. Salah has been phenomenal this season.

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05 Apr 2018 13:14:10
It's between Salah and De Bruyne for player of the year. Ederson has also made a huge difference to this City team and Stones has really stepped up. Which is something I didn't think he would do, but he has massively improved his defensive game this season.

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{Ed001's Note - the Stones that has been dropped for not being good enough, that Stones? He has not stepped up which is why he got dropped.}

05 Apr 2018 13:32:43
I hope salah tears it up at emptyhad too, with maybe liverpool getting madrid or Barcelona in semis, salah scores the goals, the Madrid or Barcelona take the win. Then in summer Madrid can come in get salah the dream move he was fishing for in jan.

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05 Apr 2018 13:38:18
Couldn’t agree more ed I think stones is so overrated. He can’t get into the city team, although Kompany and otamendi are good players. I feel that stones got his move to city far too soon. He would have benefitted far more from learning the art of defending and positioning from a Dyche type of manager and then learnt the distribution from pep. He would had a much stronger foundation and understanding of the defensive side of the game. Would have been some player.

Salah has been unreal this year. Hats off to the lad I never thought he would be like this. It’s very painful to say but you have to give credit where it is due.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly what I think with Stones, right coach for him, but just not the right time.}

05 Apr 2018 13:49:41
It's great that he can play out from the back, it's not that he has a dropped bollock in him. (God that sounds awful)

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{Ed001's Note - his passing isn't good enough. He dawdles on the ball, rather than plays out from the back. People seem to be confused by any centre half who takes their time on the ball, into thinking that makes them a ball playing centre half. Most of them are just a hindrance who end up losing possession, like Stones. He does not have the range of passing to do what Pep wants, which is why he is dropped. Good technique, first touch etc, but his passing is not that good.}

05 Apr 2018 14:18:00
Stones been good this season right up until his injury .

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{Ed001's Note - if you say so.}

05 Apr 2018 14:37:44
Stones was always overrated.

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05 Apr 2018 16:29:37
he was a liability for england.

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05 Apr 2018 18:22:30
Stones is still a player with potential. Not done anything yet to justify the hype and fee. Been poor for 2 seasons now but does have time on his side. Will he ever make a really top player? That depends on a lot of factors but he still looks well short so far.

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05 Apr 2018 15:04:14
I thought so too jred.

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05 Apr 2018 20:20:36
Any defender will look okay in that in team because of the amount of possesion they have.

The majority of their defensive hard work is done by the players infront of their defense such as Fernandinho.

Even Delph has looked okay in that team and he's not even a defender.

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05 Apr 2018 22:33:33
Stones is great on the ball but can’t defend.
He has made mistakes for both club and country.
Probably a player who is more suited to a back 3.

Walker is quick with a physique but he can’t defend and is regularly out of position. He gets into good positions going forward because of his pace but rarely delivers an end product. Trippier defends better and also has better delivery. Spurs must have been laughing when they got over £50M for Walker.

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05 Apr 2018 11:11:04
Now Jose do you sit back against man city, more than likely.
Or do you do the right thing and press them high up the pitch.

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05 Apr 2018 12:29:19
He'll sit back, he just doesn't trust his defenders, doesn't care about entertaining and will most likely never change his outlook.

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05 Apr 2018 12:43:27
Your midfield isn't mobile enough to press at a similar level as ours.

Think about it, Pogba? Mata?

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05 Apr 2018 12:45:24
What have we got to lose. We sit back and postpone city's title for another week by getting a draw.

Just let the rains off

We might get beat but at least make it harder for them to win.

Maybe learn a few things for next season.

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05 Apr 2018 12:56:57
Random Red, I think we have players such as Herrera, Lingard and Sanchez who can all comfortably press teams. Pogba in theory should easily be able to as well, he is quick and mobile. Martial, Rashford and even Lukaku are all mobile and quick enough to effectively press.

I agree there are some in our team that aren't suited to a pressing style, Matic, Carrick, Fellaini, Mata ect. However, we don't need to play those players, we have enough good quality players who can press a team. It's just a matter of our manager not wanting to.

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05 Apr 2018 12:58:38
Cities main defensive weapon is they have the ball for such long periods they rarely come under much pressure. I feel pep likes playing teams who sit back as it allows a massive possession advantage for his team . Jose is maybe the best at setting up to be hard to beat but it's still a style I think pep likes to play against . Klopp has not taken this approach now and in the past and had some success and pep is aware his team will press and attack and klopp seems the only coach who has been able to influence peps team selection, centre half at left back instead of a midfielder comfortable on the ball and Stirling removed for a more solid gundogan . I'd like to see us plant the seed we will attack them next season and make pep not know what to expect in future as he can have a really educated guess at the minute that we will sit back and let pep go with his plan A .

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05 Apr 2018 17:07:47
Just like in boxing styles make fights. Liverpool are all wrong for city. Unfortunately we are not we are like sitting ducks to them. Hopefully we give our all and try to win the game. Can’t ask for anymore than that as things currently stand.

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Review Of The Day 5th April 2018

05 Apr 2018 07:21:51
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 5th April 2018

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05 Apr 2018 09:22:47
Good review Ed.
Although I must say Liverpool played well and won against a team who didn't turn up. Unfortunately, the victory was marred by the "welcome" from the fans. Such dumb actions totally make the supporters look stupid. It could have been a gentlemen victory but no, they chose to make themselves look like hooligans. Now it gives the Citeh supporters to do the same or worse when scousers visit Citeh. I am quite confident it turn very ugly if Citeh should lose the 2nd leg.
Credit where due, well done Liverpool.

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05 Apr 2018 07:11:57
How many on here are hoping that Laporte starts at LB on Saturday?

Marcus would be licking his lips.

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05 Apr 2018 09:01:18
Sometimes logic just doesn't work in football.

Salah has probably been the best player in the league this season, beating players for fun and scoring a hat full of goals.

He is Liverpool's big threat.
So you can understand Pep's thinking in playing a quick strong centre back at LB to stop him. In theory it makes total sense. Pallets is very quick so should be able to keep up with Salah, he is physically stronger and as a centre back has good reading of the game and we'll honed defensive skills. He should be an ideal candidate to shut Salah out of the game.

Whereas, Ashley Young a right footed winger who is in the twilight of his career and who has never been considered to be defensive sound playing out of position against the league's in form player sounds like a hiding to nothing.

Yet it was Young who had Salah in his pocket, and Laporte who Salah had on toast.

Sometimes football just doesn't make sense.

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05 Apr 2018 09:17:07
Well said. Haters will hate.

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05 Apr 2018 07:07:25
Incredible performance from Liverpool and whilst a difficult game to watch there was some enjoyment gained from watching City finally getting a smacking.

However, looking at the Liverpool team, how much better are they man for man than United? Henderson and Milner in midfield, 2 very young full backs, Lovren at CB, a GK who remains unconvincing. That’s over half the team I wouldn’t touch and you can also argue about Lukaku over Firmino, and I still don’t particularly rate VVD. But, Klopp has them playing a fast aggressive pressing game and their front three are fast direct and on fire. Hats off to him, they are great to watch and if they keep this up who knows how far they will go?

This brings us back to the point that keeps rearing its head. We may have players who are “not good enough”, but so do Liverpool. Yet Klopp seems to be getting the maximum out of his players while Jose isn’t. Yes, “but we’re second “ I hear you say. So let me ask you this. Finish second playing as we have, or finish third playing joyous football and getting to the ECL semi finals (at least)?

Jose can buy as many players as he likes, but if he can’t get them playing to their potential then we will be stuck on a buying and selling merry go round. It isn’t just the players fault, a world class best in the world Manager should be able to get the best out of what he has, and I look at other Managers who are doing this - Klopp, Howe, Dyche, and even Hughton and Benitez, and then I look at Jose who simply blames his players. There is no room for a narcissist in this game and particularly not at our club.

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05 Apr 2018 07:50:49
Well said Tony. I for one, think we have massively underachieved this season. Pogba, hererra, martial, Rashford have gone backwards. But on the bright side Mctominay and Lingard have improved. The team still looks unbalanced and that's a worry, as we've had several windows to address the fullbacks, midfield and wing issues.
Pep and Klopp and Poch have got tgeir teams playing as teams and working hard for each other, working hard to press the opposition. Mourinho has us playing slow defensive football with no pressing at all and no urgency.
He might be a winner, but he'll win nothing this or next season by which time, he would've been sacked.

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05 Apr 2018 08:10:47
Did we not just beat this great team a few weeks ago?

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05 Apr 2018 08:21:31
Angel, yes we did, but answer the questions, which do you prefer, and is Jose getting the best out of our players the way others Managers are?

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05 Apr 2018 09:14:25
Jose is doing a decent job, he has spent a huge amount. I read somewhere that he has already spent over two thirds of what Sir Alex spent in 26 years. I know inflation plays it's part but Jose has only been here for two years. Sir Alex broke the club record for signings many times over the years.

However, I don't think he is getting the most out of what he has. Oddly though I feel even if he was able to get the most out of this squad we would still be second to City this year. They are breaking records left right and centre and they do clearly have a better squad that we do.

So I feel if Jose got the most out of this squad we would be around 8 points better off and we would have played more entertaining football this season. But still be second place. We would however still be in the UCl, as this squad should have easily overcome Sevilla, although Bayern would probably have a little too much for us atm. But it would be close if our team was playing at their full potential.

I'm on the fence, and won't be happy or sad when Jose does leave. He has done a decent job but he needs to do better. I also worry about his handling of Shaw and Martial and his reluctance to play Mata regularly.

The question is who replaced him, Pochettino gets a lot of love atm, and I like him. He could be a good option, Tuchel and Jardim would be my top two candidates though.

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05 Apr 2018 09:34:00
Good post Shaps, I agree with all of that.

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05 Apr 2018 10:08:52
Done ok Jose about par for the course but this is a far better squad than we have seen .
Could definitely be playing better footy with these players.

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05 Apr 2018 10:17:33
I asked the question about who realistically could replace Jose. A name not mentioned at all but who’s record is equally as good as Guardiola’s at Barcelona and got them playing some outstanding football is Luis Enrique.

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05 Apr 2018 10:44:50
Ports, I'm not sure what to think about Enrique. He had Barcelona playing good football, but then so has every manager dating back to Rijkaard. Which ironically is when a certain Argentine started to make his way into the team.

Over the last decade Barcelona has had one of the best squads in world football along with arguably the greatest ever player. It might be harder to get them playing poorly than well.

Enrique's Barcelona were entertaining, I liked how they transitioned quicker from front to back, sometimes almost bypassing the midfield, which at the time was running out of legs with Xavi not being at his peak anymore. Busquets and Pique making longer passes down the channels. Of course when you have a front three of Neymar, Suarez and Messi you want to give them the ball as often and as quickly as possible. But was anything Enrique did revolutionary? Not really, he has done okay in other jobs without being outstanding. Had he never played for Barcelona would he have ever been offered the job as manager? I doubt it. I get the feeling he was kind of the right man in the right place at the right time. Could he do it elsewhere? Maybe, but he hasn't proven it yet.

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05 Apr 2018 11:28:06
Good post Shaps can’t argue with any of what you have said regarding Jose. I echo your views on the current situation for us. I feel we have to press city high up the pitch like Liverpool did very well last night. On paper we have the players to do it but tactically Jose is not setting up correctly. You could argue we have more depth in our squad than the likes of Liverpool but I do think city have a superior one to us. I like the idea of Tuchel or jardim being our next manager. Massive fans of Both and with their style of play and the attacking players at our disposal, I can see us being a force. Would love to have a strong end to the season and win the FA cup. Then address the glaring issues at full back and midfield and we go again next season.

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05 Apr 2018 12:18:00
Barcelona were very good not brcause of Messi but because of Xavi, Iniesta and Puyol.

Just look at Barcelona now Messi is playing deeper because he doesn't have Xavi and Iniesta is on his last legs.

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05 Apr 2018 12:20:27
You guys are having a laugh if you think Tuchel can do a job.

Tuchel will melt under pressure and wouldn't be able to handle egos, don't know much about Jardim to comment bhr think he too woukd be too inexperienced to jump in a managerial role at our club.

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05 Apr 2018 12:46:41
I'd prefer to finish higher up the league - means we're closer to the league title.

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05 Apr 2018 13:27:58
Singh, Tuchel is under serious consideration for the Bayern Munich job for a reason. Bayern have a good habit of picking out top coaches.

Tuchel's style is exactly that of United's. Quick offensive football, vertical passes rather than horizontal ones. Quick transitions and try and score as often as you can. He has a history of giving youth a chance and helping them develop and flourish.

I don't agree with this idea we need a vastly experienced manager, sure we can't give the job to a rookie but as long as the managers ideas and the clubs align and he has a track record of succeeding then I don't think we need to be looking at someone who one the UCL 20 years ago.

We have hired three experienced managers since Sir Alex has left, Moyes and LvG were disasters and Jose who was the youngest of the three has done okay.

Sir Alex was able to keep United at the top for so long by regularly changing his assistant manager and bringing in someone younger with new ideas. It kept things fresh and relevant. It is no coincidence that the clubs football started to go down hill when Sir Alex chose he safe older styled option of Phelan over a younger more dynamic assistant.

The football landscape is a constant changing one, 10 years ago it was all about possession, now its pressing. The football changes and the managers need to change with it. However, this is hard for a manager who has had loads of success doing something a certain way. So these managers don't change but they fade and become less relevant. Look over at Arsenal if you want to see what happens when a great manager doesn't adapt to the changing football landscape.

That's why I don't want and don't think we need a manager with 20 years experience, I feel a younger more dynamic manager will be able to do a better job. Tuchel fits that bill.

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05 Apr 2018 13:21:42
Disagree completely singh. There is a reason why top teams such as Bayern PSG and Chelsea are chasing Tuchel. We have gone down the ‘experienced’ manager route in our last two appointments and it’s hardly been a raving success. These appointments have also been managers who are perceived to have the ego to manage united. Jose I think has it but he is a defeat away from implosion it seems. It is time to appoint a manager who is in keeping with the modern style and tactics. Tuchel has Dortmund playing attractive football and got sacked because he butted heads with the wigs at the top. Jardim won the league against a PSG side with an open chequebook. I think there is pedigree and ability there for him to make the step up. My picks would be Tuchel, jardim and Poch.

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{Ed001's Note - Tuchel was sacked as performances had dropped.}

05 Apr 2018 13:40:41
Took the words out my mouth shappy couldn’t agree more. My mistake Ed was not aware of that. But I do think Tuchel is a very good manager and would be a great fit at united. Unfortunately it seems he will be going elsewhere. Do you have any information on where he is likely to end up?

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{Ed001's Note - I would say Chelsea is more likely but I do not think you have missed much. He tinkers constantly and tries to be clever, usually ends up outthinking himself and gets his tactics wrong by doing so.}

05 Apr 2018 14:11:11
Ed001, who do you rate as the best young up and coming managers?

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{Ed001's Note - Nagelsmann, Gasperini, Jardim and I would put Dyche in there because he has impressed me massively with the job he has done with Burnley. Would love to see what he could do with a bit more spending power. Potter is another who has worked a minor miracle but could do with proving himself with a bit more money to spend.}

05 Apr 2018 18:06:19
Tuchel is the mini version of Guaridola who thinks they are too smart and tweaks too much like Ed says.

We need a older head because Manchester United is more then just managing a team. There is a lot more to it just look at Jose eveen he looks under pressure.

Right now we have the best manager available and that is Jose.

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05 Apr 2018 18:20:06
Bayerns already confirmed Tuchel isn't going to them.

Id probably go Jardim or Dyche.

As an outside has any manager truly done anything revolutionary in the last 30 years? Or are they just rehashing/ adapting things from older periods?

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05 Apr 2018 15:01:20
Tuchel all sounds a bit avb to me.

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05 Apr 2018 16:27:49
Ed001, I like Nargelsmann too, I want to see him go through a rough patch and see how he handles it. He does look destined to manage Bayern at some point.

I have no idea how old you are but I wouldn't have thought you were old enough to consider the 60 year old Gasperini young. lol. Although I agree he has done a fantastic job with Atalanta.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry I never bothered checking ages. My mistake. Though compared to Ed025 he is a child.}

05 Apr 2018 00:21:52
I hope when he gets home and has something to eat, kyle walker has a great big fat portion of humble pie and a nice bitter glass of cranberry juice to wash it down with;then he might realise he's not QUITE as good as he believes he is-the spoonhead!

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