Manchester United Banter Archive January 05 2014

 

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05 Jan 2014 23:48:44
The sooner DM brings in the players
he wants and let's face it he needs
about 8 the better .All this Moyes
Out rubbish is gathering pace but
will never happen. Maybe this last
week might speed the whole thing
up.

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05 Jan 2014 21:38:26
Ed02, for all the doom and gloom around here at the moment, can you shed any light on the situation at all, are we currently in talks with any clubs / players?

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{Ed002's Note - I will try and summarise again in the coming days.}

05 Jan 2014 23:40:10
I want to keep Moyes a little longer and continue to back him, it sounds optimistic I know but if we give him the time and support he needs we could slowly but surely see the old United come back.

We have been terribly unlucky with injuries and losing the main man RVP has been a huge blow. Anyone who has 2 brain cells can see that our starting 11 has been poor for years! Moyes needs atleast 1 or 2 more seasons to build his team.

Confidence is currently rock bottom and the last thing our club needs is fans not backing the lads. We need to keep our heads high and continue supporting Manchester United or we may fall down a deep dark hole and it may take a very long time until we get out of it.

January is progressing, let's see what Woodie and Moyes do with this window. Then we can finally review the future of this club.

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05 Jan 2014 23:19:34
Serious question, top four although not out of the question looks a tough battle. If we are to miss out on top four would you rather finish 5th and get Europa league or finish 7th and miss out on europe altogether?

I'm on the fence, I feel the europa league is a unnessisary distraction and puts you at a disadvantage in terms of the league as you have to play on a thursday night. But a lot of players would be put off if we have no european football at all as its not looked at in the same derogitory way abroad as it is here.

So if we end up with no champions league football would you want Europa league or not?

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{Ed004's Note - I'd want to finish as high as possible tbh}

Europa league because the winners next year get champions league football the following year

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I'd like to spend a load of money in the summer and bring in about 5 top quality players.

I'd then like us to go for a win OK in the Europa cup and a top four finish.

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06 Jan 2014 08:06:16
People Forget, Once you out of the CL spot, then its very very difficult to get back in. Ask any Scouser.

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05 Jan 2014 22:13:37
I've got to admit Sydney! In the summer when you couldn't stay away from the Liverpool site you was annoying but now looking back you saying that United would finish 30 points above us makes this league so far even more sweet! So thank you! Were all missing you on the Liverpool site btw :(

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05 Jan 2014 23:05:27
Well guys, this has been the weekend from hell for me, I've torn my MCL on Saturday and possibly damaged my cruciate too, and today we get dumped out of the cup at home! I honestly do not know which was more painful, my knee or that performance. Then we listen to moyes after the match saying the players he wants won't be available, but surely given our current state we have to make these players available with a large offer? I honestly think moyes is not cut out for this job, I honestly hope to be proven wrong but, if things aren't better this time next season I don't see him at the helm. Sorry for being so negative here guys but just had a shocker of a weekend to end my Christmas holidays.
P.s guys could you just keep my friend in your thoughts and prayers who broke her neck. I would appreciate that greatly

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{Ed007's Note - I hope you and your friend get well soon Caolan, God Bless you both and your families.}

I'm really sorry to hear about your friend who broke her neck. The sister of my friend broke her neck in a trampoline accident about 40 years ago and she has found life rather difficult ever since, even with great help from Stoke Manderville.

Please pass on my very best wishes
Red Setter

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{Ed002's Note - From here we all wish her well man.}

Hi caolan_2, lfc fan here in peace, not here to take the micky out of Man U today but just to pass on my best wishes to you and your friend hope you both get better soon, I done my ACL 3 years ago not nice so all the best pal

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Caolan hope you and your friend make a speedy recovery, kinda puts things in perspective there's us depressed about football while a young woman has a broken neck.
However going back to Man Utd.We have witnessed a poor team walk the league last season and now the same team has become a shambles.No spirit, desire and will to win, all qualities that we had in abundance.I have tried to convince myself the Moyes would come good but now I don't think it's possible.He looks so far out of his depth it's almost laughable.
So where are we going to go from here?can anyone really believe that we will sign players of the quality that we need to try to stop the rot?January is not the best time of the year to do so.Even if he did manage to get a couple of decent players in would he be able to turn things around?
It might suit Moyes to take a step back look at the mess he is in and get a decent coach who knows how to play the Man Utd way.
Also strange that RVP came thru last season unscathed now all of a sudden he is injured.The whole scenario looks wrong.
P.s wish someone would get rid of that "in Moyes we trust banner"

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06 Jan 2014 07:11:06
ngiak will send her his spiritual well wishes
His thoughts are with them
gan

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05 Jan 2014 22:39:48
hi guys, just want to say I don't think it's saf fault.he had a transferlist and told moyes to keep the staff, but no, moyes want's to be his own man.had we gotten strootman or thiago we would have not been in this mess.have a nice nigth :)

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05 Jan 2014 22:36:41
I would put todays defeat in the 'Blessing in disguise' category

Press are massively overdoing the hype around how bad Moyes is meant to be doing but with what he inherited, what else would you expect. Transfers aren't all down to him, but people seem to be laying it down as fact that he is. Problem with transfers is Woodward who's not experienced so poor on the Glazers for a bad transition

Can someone tell me what other manager they would have actually preferred over Moyes?
Klopp - BVB have a much better squad than us. Would have been my first choice if we could have got him though
Mourinho - Awful, easily worse than Moyes
Martinez - No experience with a good team.
Ole - No experience with managing in the prem
Guardiola - Joke of a suggestion if you think we could have ever got him, only goes to monopolies

On another note, wouldn't mind seeing Zaha get a game even if it is to appease fans, though there must be a reason he's not getting a game

Lets see what everybody thinks when we beat City in the Capital One cup final! Heres hoping

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05 Jan 2014 23:22:58
Mourinho is alwful? Seriously mate? How ridiculous

Billy-yeah54

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{Ed004's Note - I think he is talking about his manner what he has achieved is phenomenal and well earned though his personality, ie his scrap with the barca coach and arrogance is not what this club needed}

Not sure if you're serious? Mourinho not good. Klopp has a good team? Of course he does, he bought them all for less than we paid for fellaini and turned them into a super team. That's what u call a good manager.

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Sorry. You cannot be serious. A blessing in disguise???
Red Setter

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Nomid

Klop spent plenty of money on the armenian, the french lad and is also having a very poor season and for some reason can not get players to extend contracts at his club and one after another seem to be leaving. Be carefull with being a fair weather fan and blowing where the wind blows.

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06 Jan 2014 06:37:44
Alright ed, yeah makes sense, hope you guys do well for rest of season

(Chelsea fan)

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I think the name "trustinmoyes" says everything about the poster!

i would think one of the happiest people must be Bill Kenwright, there was him thinking losing his long-term manager would move them for a mediocre mid-table team towards the relegation dog fight zone.

imagine his surprise when he finds out with largely the same squad his team becomes champions league potential after employing an "inexperienced" manager. amazing what a dynamic forward thinking manager can do for a mediocre team!

perhaps after Moyes has turned us in to Everton we might think about bringing in Martinez?

p.s Moyes dream January signings; Leon Osman, Leighton Bains, Steven Pienar, Tim Howard?

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Ed kind of but you look at what he's actually done. Yes he's won lots but each time he's basically had the best team in the league and with an absolute load of money thrown in. Very little skill required to do so imo
Also, you look at his tactics this season and they've been set up to defend whilst hoping someone like hazard or oscar come up with something brilliant for them to win. Could you honestly say he would do the same with our team? Pahh

Nomid, Klopp is an awesome manager but why would he leave something that he has spent years making only to be back to square 1 with us? Yes we have a better chance of winning the league than they do and we're certainly more prestigious but if you had a team packed with talent like that, would you leave it to go and follow SAF and know you'd struggle to do better?

RS, how is it now a blessing in disguise? FA cup would be nothing for us this season. We need to concentrate all our attention on the league and with our injury list ever-growing, more fixtures would increase the game time for our first team which is unnecessary and tire us for league games. Who would look back and say we didn't get top 4 but at least we won the FA cup.?

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06 Jan 2014 10:00:10
Trust in Moyes.
Mate, Crashing out in the 3rd round against Swansea in any competition is just a disaster. I am happy we we would be concentrating on the league, But the way we played yesterday especially at home in the second half was nothing short of Terrible.
We never looked like scoring, we never had anything.

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TIM

You don't need to put down other managers just to defend Moyes. Is ridiculous.

You and GCU are trying to make up things that you don't even believe.

In terms of personality Mourinho is crap, but in football terms, all the managers above mentioned are better than Moyes and their CV doesn't lie.

If you believe that Moyes is the right man for United, it's your opinion but he's not near Kloop, Guardiola or Mourinho quality to be even compared to.

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05 Jan 2014 20:20:15
Ed can you set a new poll up, asking us fans whether we think that United will finish in the top four this season, as I think that's what we should be aiming for in the league the way things have gone for us.Thanks in advance.

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{Ed007's Note - No probs, here it is here:

www.manchesterunitedrumours.co.uk/poll14.html

Dear All.

This is more in sorrow than in anger.

I watched today's game and saw a team that was even not a pale shadow of the teams of the past 50 years. Who is responsible for its selection? David Moyes.

This is the 5th home defeat this season. To lose once would have been unfortunate and in years ago unimaginable, but to lose 5 times with a team that bore little resemblance to the best team
looks like stupidity and incompetence, especially when the league looks like a forlorn hope.

Who chooses the teams? Mr Moyes. Who failed totally to strengthen the team properly before the start of the current season? Mr Moyes. (Oh, and Mr Woodford, don't overlook your incompetence either)

I am just a mere supporter. BUT the time has for resignations. David Moyes - be honourable. Recognise that the job at United is too big for you and resign before you and your team inflict irreparable harm to MY beloved team. Mr Woodford, Macclesfield Town needs your skills. Maybe not, they drew with Sheffield instead of losing.

Today was the FINAL straw.

Oh yes, there will be excuses. There will be soft words and explanations. Sorry, Mr Moyes. Goodbye. JUST DO IT NOW. and Sir Mr Ferguson, please do not return to management. We all know what happened when Sir Matt came back.

This is not intended as a rant, but deep felt passion and a call to arms. To all of you fellow supporters, the time has come for you to make your views known. I had hoped that the results in early December meant that I could become Red Sunrise, but that was not to be. We are fast following the path of Liverpool 5 seasons ago, and heaven help us, even Leeds.

Red Setter

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05 Jan 2014 20:46:36
Ed04, Do you Believe, SAF is also responsible for this mess we are in?

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{Ed004's Note - partially yes he can't receive all the blame as he won us the league and I think he had signings already in place for last summer (Garay, Baines, Thiago, Strootman and Di Maria)}

It was reported that SAF recommended Moyes that he should keep the existing backfill staff and a list of transfer targets.
Moyes decided to bring in his own back room staff and go for his own transfer targets and to his credit be seen as very much his own man.
If we were playing and doing really well he would take the credit so trying to shift the blame in someway on to SAF only clouds the truth

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Attitude I can only blame SAF for DM.

I was not impressed by the start that DM made but then he seemed to have learned a little but now on reflection I think it was the players fighting for their pride, giving their swan song.

How on earth can anyone blame SAF and try to deflect the blame from the current management?

The squad was aging and needed some new faces, SAF had even drawn up the list but no DM did not want that.

He clears out the winning, experienced coaches and replaces them with his own men, big move.

He ditches SAFs transfer targets and has his own list, big move.

So now we have a new inexperienced backroom and no new faces of proven quality, Fellaini for the price should hit the ground sprinting for £28M but hey no he needs time to bed in wtf!

DM requires time to get the premiership champions playing in a winning way! Let us not forget the same team was on the verge of knocking RM out of the CL but for a poor refing decision as well as leading the prem by a country mile.

I said early on that I did not think DM would be able to adapt quickly enough and in fact it appears worse he has taken the spirit out of the squad, I know we have a lot of injuries but we have not had to play Carrick as a CB this season like in the previous two.

I am shocked at how bad we are, I find the nose dive we have taken alarming, even if we spend big and invest in some quality players can this management team use them effectively? Personally I think not, I really really hope I’m wrong, I'd like a large slice of humble pie.

Oh and before I get off my soap box, Son of Sir Matt, Rooney wasn’t holding back the team today!

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No. Despite our team not being the best last year SAF knew that he could get the best out of what he had and proved it by winning the league. He left us with some good young defensive players and arguably the best strike force in the league (even if he did try and push Rooney out of the door).

Last summer we needed signings and he'd lined up a few which would have left us with one of the strongest starting 11's in the world (see Ed004's list). Moyes chose to ignore them and sign Fellaini.

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Fergie deserves some of the blame, the midfield has needed new blood for at least 3 years and he did nothing, he even brought scholsey out of retirement we were that poor.he also left a very old squad with players past there best rio, vidic, evra, giigs, and a decent player in carrick who is now over 30 and some useless squad players nani, anderson.i didn't want moyes but he will get the blame, everyone says he inherited a title winning team, it just shows how bad the rest were last season, unfortunately they have all strengthened while we have stood still.

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Johndenton - I honestly could not agree more with you, we have been left with too many players needing to be replaced at once. It is the same as what has happened at Inter and AC Milan, they let their better players to age and didn't blood any young players or bring in players to eventually replace them and ended up with pretty much a whole squad of players needing to retire. IMHO Evra, Rio and Giggs should have retired in the summer Vidic should be used every other game or so and Carrick should not be our midfield general at his age. We should have a spine of our team with players in their prime years not past their best. We need investment and we need it now!

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05 Jan 2014 19:02:54
Ed04, Is Fellaini Injured?. I haven't seen him play from quiet along long time.

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{Ed004's Note - Yes}

I haven't seen him play for a long time either, last season maybe! Biggest waste of money ever!

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05 Jan 2014 19:54:35
This is tongue in cheek, but seeing Big Sam try his hardest to get sacked and pick up £5mil, it got me thinking:

Setting - Pub in Glasgow

SAF - Thanks for coming Dave, I want to look after you and I know a way you can make a fortune for a few months of hell, interested?

Moyes - Sure am Alex, what do you have in mind?

SAF - I can get you a 6 year contract at Utd?

Moyes - Wow, isn't it a bit too big a job for me, not sure I could do it justice?

SAF - Don't worry mate, you can't do the job, truth is nobody can, the team is rubbish, I'm leaving a royal mess. Anyone taking the job will fail, so why not you? Are you a good actor?

Moyes - I once was second pick for the bad guy in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, I'm pretty good! But you just romped the league?

SAF - Let me spell it out, you have no credentials, but you are of the same mould mentally as me and whilst a reach, most fans will give you support if I back you publicly. I can swing a 6 year deal for you, no problem. The team has been built on a house of cards, and it is about to blow a hurricane.

Moyes - Ok, what next.

SAF - You do what you do best, play negative football. The fans will gradually get fed up and you will be sacked.

Moyes - I will be hated.


SAF - Don't worry I will be there in the crowd so I get some of the flak for picking you (chuckle). The team will lose more than we win with your approach Dave, trust me.

Moyes - So I don't have to lie, just act like I know what I'm doing?

SAF - Exactly, do your stuff, get the sack, get 6 years worth of money up front. Job done.

Moyes - I like the sound of that, how do you win Alex, there is always something in it for you?

SAF - Basically I don't want to be found out, or have my legacy damaged by a manager that will blow the whistle on the fact I have done bugger all for the past 3 years. A top manager like Klopp would blow the whistle and besides, they may actually sort it out eventually, which could mean I'm forgotten!

Moyes - Done deal mate, count me in. I'll do my best and bring mop head with me, that should spell out my intentions, haha.

SAF - That's the spirit, good luck mate - you'll be sacked by March if you do what you do naturally.

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Very funny.

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Cheered me up after today lol

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Very good very funny Rmg

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Rooney Must Go

I understand that's tongue in cheek, but reading SAFs book, you would actually get a feeling he recommended Moyes because he was Scottish. A few lines from the book, make of it what you want to.

"They wanted a new man in place within days.

A lot of Scots have a dourness about them: a strong will. When they leave Scotland it tends to be for one reason only. To be successful. Scots don’t leave to escape the past. They move away to better themselves. You see it all over the world, in America and Canada especially. Leaving the homeland creates a certain resolution. It’s not a mask; it’s a determination to get things done. The Scottish dourness others talk about sometimes applied to me as well.

The Scotsman abroad doesn’t lack humour. David Moyes is not short of wit. In their jobs, though, the Scots are serious about their labours, an invaluable quality. People often said to me, ‘I never see you smile during a game.’ I would reply, ‘I’m not there to smile, I’m there to win the match.’

David had some of these traits. I knew his family background. His father was a coach at Drumchapel, where I played as a lad. David Moyes senior. They have a good family feel about them. I’m not saying that’s a reason to hire someone but you like to see good foundations in someone appointed to such high office. I left Drumchapel in 1957 when David senior would have been a young boy, so there was no direct crossover, but I knew their story."

Fergie should never ever have been allowed to pick his succesor. I am fully behind Moyes, even though he was not even in my Top 5 wishlist. Fergie sold him down the river. No one more than SAF knew that this team is average at best. Nothing done after the Barca humbling part 1 and 2. let's blame Moyes as much as we can and yes he deserves some stick, but ask yourself. Is this not a case of "The chickens have come home to roost".

Deeps.

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Its true, honestly

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05 Jan 2014 19:44:04
Just in case people think January transfers are not possible just remember that we bought Nemenja Vidic and Patrice Evra in January 2006!

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I love those two and I hope we buy, but I think even they struggled to adapt for that few months if I remember correctly. If we buy it will be a big gamble, because we can't afford to drop more points during the settling in period - but again what do we have to lose, it can't be much worse!

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05 Jan 2014 18:39:55
Won't be long until this David Moyes fella get a place at the apollo, he's a right comedian.

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05 Jan 2014 18:38:21
Inept owners and management
Another embarrassing home nonperformance. Best we can hope for is for the situation to get worse and for the owners to sell up and we get someone who spends 500million on the squad not the debt
I am in shock at how quickly and how far we have fallen
If this doesn't knee jerk some new signings then nothing will

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05 Jan 2014 18:36:58
More upset by the second half performance than the defeat itself, absolutely clueless with zero creativity. Teams understand you can come to OT and stick 9 men behind the ball and we won't have the quality to break them down.

With all the injuries, not to mention suspensions (Fabio, that was dumb lad) being able to concentrate on the league is about the only positive from a Kieron Dyer day.

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05 Jan 2014 18:35:19
Well that was tragic:( thank you Fabio!

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05 Jan 2014 18:27:05
No panic buys for moyes. I think he should start panicking now.

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I started panicking when he was appointed. Not seen anything thus far that calms the nerves either.

This season a write off obviously but think lack of activity in Jan will be a pointer as to whether the Glazers will back Moyes longer term or not. Back in May it was an entirely different dynamic. The greatest manager in the world was calling the shots in terms of who should replace him. That got Moyes in the hot seat but he'll only stay there based on results. I think we can afford a non Champs League qualifying season once but that's it. I think Moyes has until say end of October to pick up. We are likely to finish 6/7th which means no European football at all if I'm not mistaken. If we are still languishing in a similar position by 31st Oct I think Moyes will go. Giggs and poss SAF take the reins til the new year when a new manager and new transfer window would hopefully be able to put us back on track.

Whilst Moyes has the personal security of a 6 year contract I'd be amazed if there weren't some fairly chunky performance related clauses in there. We need to pick up results now for obvious reasons but what concerns me more is our style of play. It's not exactly the free flowing attacking football we all want to see at OT is it?

I'm concerned at best.

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Why end of October? Doesn't seem to make sense. Need sorting long before that as that will be two seasons out of the trophies.
United are built on success, so I think the board should be meeting as we speak.

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05 Jan 2014 20:45:37
Nicholas

We can concentrate on the league. We are Manchester United not Newcastle United with all due respect to the Geordies they are nowhere near the size of our club.
You need to go to the opticians mate we were awful, just because we kept the ball for long periods doesn't men we played well.
We are clueless going forward just like the old Everton side under moyes.
Look what happens when the shackles are removed look at Everton now virtually same group of players but a forward thinking manager who gives his teams freedom,
I think dithering Dave and big Sam are twins separated at birth.lol

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05 Jan 2014 18:25:59
We were outplayed, out passed and made to look so ordinary.

5 defeats at OT, no pace in our play. We just look so dire and we can't string any threatening passes together. How many saves did their keeper have to make today - answer none. No shots on the Swansea goal, nothing that showed that we wanted to win the game.

Sadly SAF has left us with a very poor team and choose a successor who is quite simply not up to the job. The empty seats and boos ringing around the stadium said it all.

Out of the FA Cup, out of the league. We can't even be confident of even beating Sunderland on Tuesday night. I beat even Olympiakos will be looking at the CL fixture against us, with real relish.

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Just got back from the game and would love one of the moyes huggers to tell me anything positive, after just paying £44 and sitting through that excuse of a football match.out fought, out played, out of the cup.absolute disgrace and I don't blame just moyes he isn't good enough for a job of this magnitude, fergie deserves the most flack for the piss poor quality of squad he left him.

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United were by far the better side until Canas came on. Not sure what game you were watching lad. Even their 1st goal was against the run of play. It's the same old story for us, plenty of possession, but no cutting edge. We need more in the final third. Even when Rooney has been playing we have been poor in the final third. We need Van Persie to return and we need a decent left winger. Today's result was a blessing in disguise. We are struggling with injuries and we could do with concentrating on the league. We will beat Olympiakos, but it will be difficult beyond then.

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Were we really outplayed?We had clearly most of possesion and although we didn't create that many chances, I think we deserved to win.There were some good individual performances from players like Buttner, Smalling, Fletcher and Clevs.I'm sure that if Fabio hadn't been sent off, we would have at least got a replay, if not have won the game.Swansea did not look dangerous at all until after the sending off and never deserved to be infront for me.

That is not to say Moyes should be relaxed though.It's more than unacceptable for our team to lose in the Theatre of Dreams 4 times in 6 matches.Drastic changes should be made soon.We need reinforcements.1 or 2 signings in January will do.At least we can hope that with FA Cup being out of the way, we will start doing better in the league.Another positive is that we have plenty of injured players to come back and I thing they will make us much better than we are looking like now.Let's give the manager more time and if he fails to bring results when he has actually built his own team then sack him, but until then let's be patient;there will be even more results like that.

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Completely agree.

All of a sudden it feels like Ron Atkinson's in charge again. Though to be fair to Big Ron he did actually give us 2 FA Cups!!

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05 Jan 2014 19:06:41
Sydney

I don't which game you were watching we were poor in The second half. And Swansea were pretty good.
TBH, I thought it would have been a draw if fabio would have been on the pitch. But I had 100% belief, we won't be winning.

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Possesion means nothing unless you make it count with goals.there goalie didn't have a save to make, we were second to every ball, we had no creativity we were so slow at building attacks all so predictable teams know how we will play and set up accordingly.i said early in the season we wouldn't finish in the top 4 and unfortunately what I see week in week out hasn't changed my opinion.not good enough I've been there when we were poor pre fergie and I don't mind us losing as long as we go down fighting were now going down regular with a wimper.too many average players who are not good enough to be in utd, s 1st eleven and some not good enough to be squad players.i would much rather play more u21 players than some of the crap were paying a fortune too each week

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Sydney, I was watching an abject performance. 2nd half was dire and the first half wasn't that much better. just like the defeat to Spurs for 60 minutes in that game we did not attempt to play until we were 2-0 down.

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Sydney I wouldn't be so sure of beating Olympiacos, they have a better midfield than you.

You're predictions also seem to backfire, didn't you say you'd be top by mid November?

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I just disagree we were 'outplayed'. Swansea were pretty poor IMO and we were better than them in the middle of the park up until Canas. If we were better in the final 3rd we would have won comfortably. Problem is we cannot create a crumb and finishing is non-existent. Even with Rooney we have been toothless this season. We need Van Persie back and we need some better attacking players. One centrally and one from the left.

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05 Jan 2014 19:55:15
Sydney what game was you watching

I thought your fire drill went well

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Sydney, I can't remember their goalie making a save, what game were you watching?
The stats mean nothing as we were passing the ball in our own half most of the time. Swansea passed it very well and fully deserved to win.
Even my wife sat here patiently watching the match and halfway thru uttered 'united are not very good, are they!'

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Blind faith?

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05 Jan 2014 20:29:04
Sydney.

You are at home against a team who hasn't won since decades. what you expect them to do at OT?
common. or you want Swansea to have an 80-20% possession?.

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Too much jack daniels I think syd :( lol

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Blame anyone but the players, isen't it? When its apparent week in week out, that we are not a top top side anymore. People come and talk about how Kagawa ripped the Bundesliga a new one, but alas, let's find excuses and say that he is brilliant, just that noone plays as well as him. He may be a good player, but definitely one of the most over-rated players to have played for us. When will he grow a pair?

How many sides in the EPL will have sleepless nights imagining a front 4 of Welbeck, Valencia, Chica, Kagawa? The keeper did not even have a save to make except for the Buttner free kick.

Our full backs keep getting skinned and can't do the basics of defending. Their positional sense is sunday league. But no, we have a very good squad and the 4th place trophy should be automatically Fedex-ed to us.

Whenever someone from midfield picks a ball up looking for options, all of the others are hiding. Scared to get the pass and look like fools on the ball. They are so further apart that the only option is a hoof ball.

Our defence keeps marching backwards allowing midfield runners to storm into our penalty boxes. Yes, Moyes will have to take some blame, but the players wearing the shirt need to get a kick up their rear. But no, let's trot out our "this squad won last year", "we will finish 4th no matter what" lines time and again.

Deeps.

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05 Jan 2014 21:18:14
We were poor today and had no creativity but we wern't outplayed. We are just missing that bit of creativity to open teams up that would turn results like this and the other narrow losses into draws and wins.
Once we buy a player to give us that our confidence will start returning and we will start to get results.
Its bad at the moment but a signing or 2 will turn it around.
The sending off cost us the game. Silly tackle just too eager to impress on a rare outing.

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John Denton, why do you pay £44 to see the same old crap play with the same second rate actors who can't be bothered giving you a performance for your hard earned money.

I can't be arsed with any of it until there's some investment to bring entertainment back to old trafford

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If people had bothered to read what I wrote. I clearly said we lacked anything in the final third. We have been lacking all season without RvP. But in our general play we were far from outplayed by Swansea. We were by far the better side up until Canas.

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Will Red, exactly. At City we were outplayed. We done everything right up until the final 3rd.

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05 Jan 2014 18:25:31
Taxi for Moyes.

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Yeah, with the brakes removed

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05 Jan 2014 18:25:14
MOYSE OUT! enough is enough.
he should hand in his resignation tomorrow morning
total disgrace

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05 Jan 2014 18:24:41
Absolutely shocking, Moyes needed the FA cup at least if he isn't going to be getting top 4, serious recruitment needed, we just looked dead that second half.

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05 Jan 2014 18:23:55
". So that's it. End of FA Cup, Next to go down would be at League cup. and then the PL.
Moyes. and Players. You guys are Brilliant. "

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I think the PL has long gone. Fa cup gone. CL was never realistic target.
Leaves the Carling cup.
In Moyes we trust?

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05 Jan 2014 18:20:21
I must say that Canas recovered really well and quickly after appearing to almost require and amputation.
Actually happy we are out. Wouldn't normally say it but as is our injury list, we need to focus on top 4.

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It was a stupid, stupid tackle. Not sure what Fabio was thinking, maybe trying to hard to impress or just plain old stupid. Not a disaster being out.

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Im never happy to go out of the FA cup, tbh we deserve better!

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It is still touch and go wether he will make it but from what i'm hearing his hair cushioned his fall(and multiple rolls);) on a serious note it was a red:(

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I can't agree. I understand the reasoning of course but we are Man United. We should be god enough to challenge on ALL fronts.

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I would normally but that's why I mentioned injuries halesini.

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05 Jan 2014 18:12:43
for a manager to come into a top team like united and be in 7th place in the league in jan is awfull. now all you moyes suportters are going to start kicking off at that comment. If he was a quality manager he would be able to come in to this team make decent signings and have us at least 3rd of 4th at least. if we were a lower team I would expect to be alittle of the pace in a managers first year in charge.
But we are not we are Man Utd. I like many suporters is finding it diffcult to watch our team play at times. we are far to predictable and some players are playing far to low standard wise for use. Improvments are needed and fast. I want moyes to have the benifit of the doubt and get surport but if we finish out of champions league position then I think his position needs to be looked at. i'm sorry but it does!

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05 Jan 2014 18:33:16
100% Guaranteed City will beat us handsome at home and 75% guaranteed Liverpool too would beat us at home.

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It needs to be looked at now. The job is to big for him. We are so slow and predictable. We can't pass, we can't create chances and more worryingly to many players were just going through the motions again.
I can take being beat, if we play with passion and create chances, I can't take it when we create virtually nothing and don't know how to attack the opposition anymore.

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At this rate united will be lucky to finish 7th

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05 Jan 2014 18:11:55
We are really suffering with injuries this season. Rooney, Young, Jones, Nani, Rafael, Van Persie. Vidic & Ferdinand have struggled with injury. What does Zaha need to do to get a game? We can also see exactly why Fabio hasn't been playing.

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We have been missing the direct running at defenders we have had over recent years. Zaha and Januaj are really the only players that can do that, imo he should have been involved since the start of the season.

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Just believe syd and everything will be ok

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If fabio got more of a chance to play he would feel he has to rush round trying to impress

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The injury list is insane but there are a few teams in the same boat at the minute but still how can you perform well with so many influential players out? very dissapointed today I hope ngiak is right this time! 2 in would change everything.

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We suffer with injuries every season Sydney. We have too many light weights, as soon as the going gets tough, we lose our bottle and most players are hiding now.

This is a vicious cycle and unfortunately most of our players don't know how to cope.

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I agree, we are really plagued by injuries this season.And I think Zaha should have come on instead of Januzaj.

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Welcome to the real world, Mancs! Glory glory Moyes United!

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That wasnt swanseas 1st eleven today there missing a lot of 1st team regulars so the injury theory doesn't wash

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That wasnt swanseas 1st eleven today there missing a lot of 1st team regulars so the injury theory doesn't wash

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05 Jan 2014 18:06:05
If You can't beat Swansea at home (No Disrespect to Swansea), Then we should give up.
Ohh Wait. we have been beaten time after time here.

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Get used to it its just the beginning

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05 Jan 2014 18:14:09
For me today highlighted again how poor cleverly is and he also looked shattered after 60 minutes.

Also buttner cannot defend whatsoever and that's his job first and foremost. Like Evans said, do the basics first.

Valencia is obsessed with coming inside all the time and cannot cross a ball. Hernandez a had a few good chances to score and took only one. Also no shots from outside the box.

If Rio is badly injured i'd say he'll retire.

Januzaj hardly touched the ball when he came on. And I think the red card was harsh.

I honestly don't think there were many positives apart from fletcher and Evans.

Our squad is so depleted and lacks quality back up. Poor zaha.

We just buy this window it is as simple as that. Blindingly obvious.

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05 Jan 2014 18:34:44
Nozzla.

So where you in a blind belief, Cleverly is a top top player?

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If he was not on loan, I would rather have Nick Powell in that midfield instead of Cleverly. There is no way he is ever going to improve.

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No I've always said he's rubbish.

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05 Jan 2014 18:01:29
Watching cleverly in this game, a couple of times he hides where he moves behind another player so he can't receive a close pass. Non existent. Fletcher controlled most of first half and Kagawa trying to link things together.

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Clevs isn't good enough maybe even some of his biggest fans are starting to see that

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05 Jan 2014 17:19:28
a lb is essential, buttner is horrendous, his final ball is poor and his positioning isn't great either.
Really feel for zaha. feel he should have his chance over valencia, who, imo has now been figured out by every team. I may be hated by this but i'd prefer nani over valencia. although unplayable sometimes, its very rare now for valencia and its frustrating to see him constantly use his right foot in left foot positions and stopping for like a minute before just darting forward playing a poor ball hoping for the best.

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To be fair, buttners crossing in this particular game has been exceptional

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It still makes me laugh that loads of people on here were saying Evra was way better than Baines and we even have cover with Buttner!.Where are you all now and do you still believe that?.Seriously just because a player plays for United does not make him better than an Everton player.Where does this logic come from?.

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{Ed004's Note - I don't think many if any said that at the start of the year. Everyone on this site wanted Evra replaced. Some were doubting whether Baines was value for money or if there were better targets.

No Ed I remember people on here saying Evra was better than Baines and remember one comment in particular saying Baines couldn't lace Evra's boots!.Don't get me wrong I think Baines is overpriced for someone of his age and Shaw is the best option imo.

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05 Jan 2014 17:11:05
Fletcher is looking so classy on the ball. Calm and composed and some beautiful passes. Really happy for him. I hope he gets up to speed quickly.

On another note is Buttner Cleverly's evil twin! Great cross BTW. Take a note Tony.

Deeps.

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What was that thing everyone says "Form is temporary but class is permanent" Glad to see in Welbeck's case it is true.

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Deeps, Tom Cleverleys twin is an American actor lol. Just google Lauden Downey from the film A Few Good Men. Dead ringer.

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For me Fletch is taking way too many touches on the ball and slowing every attack down.

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Fletch started great, but had the life zapped out of him by our negativity.

Love the Evil Twin and CGU he definitely committed a Code Red!

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Denis wise ripping Cleverly and Welbeck apart on Al Jazeera, saying they have done nothing today for being so called international players.

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Lol at the A Few Good Men reference. Only thing I'll read today that will put a smile on my face lol.

Same actor also appeared in an excellent flick opposite Cuba Golding Junior and Brian Dennehy called The Gladiator (boxing film).

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Yeah, saw him in that too. He's called James Marshall I think. Spitting image of TC, even had same haircut. Wonder if he can play "soccer ", maybe we could sneak him in to improve our MF.

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05 Jan 2014 16:51:45
So once again we see Buttner's ability to cross a ball. He is the best deliverer we have apart from perhaps Rooney and RVP. Why not try him in front of Evra on the wing where he used to play before he was converted to a left back. He would help out Evra a lot more and would also help with balls into the box as our crossing seems to be really poor.

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Problem is who do we cross to?

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05 Jan 2014 16:50:14
He may not be the best defender, but Buttner has put in the 4 best crosses this season in the first 17 minutes. Just shows how bad our wingers are really.

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Ive said since we signed him he's not a left back. He's great going forward. Can score. Quick. Can put in decent crosses. Can dribble a bit aswell but he can't defend!

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05 Jan 2014 15:56:48
Has anyone bought the Sun newspaper today? If so can you tell me what the holiday token word is please. Thanks.

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Token 2 is "RACE" Syd. Have you done a Sun Holiday before mate, and if so was it any good? We have done a couple in Devon and Dorset and have been pleasantly surprised.

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Thanks mate. Yes I have done several Sun holidays. Each peak season weekend holiday costing just £80 (excluding spending money), I am doing three this year. May, June & July. Take my own food and booze and the holiday is pretty cheap. Well, the kids cost a fortune in the arcades, but other than that I buy pints of coke all night and top it up with a little JD :)

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Syd,

Where have you been if you don't mind me asking? We have found the Haven sites the best, although cost more in "add ons". Also went to Pontins a couple of years ago, and it was on Watchdog 2 weeks before we went lol. Not good!.

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One of the best one's is Devon Cliffs in Exmouth. There's a lot to do and there's stuff to do in the town centre/beachfront. It's pretty close to Crealy, so the kids will have a good one.

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Yeah, been there twice Syd. Really nice, will be trying for there again this time along with Haven Littlesea in Weymouth. Hopefully we can use the priority booking for previous customers to get our prefered choices. Good luck with yours!

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05 Jan 2014 15:11:11
I received some twaddle about us going for Pastore due to Pjanic staying at Roma?
What is that about?

Any murmurs Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - What do you think I am here for? To interpret Twitter for you?.}

05 Jan 2014 16:18:49
So if we believe a bid was made for Bale, then why not bid the $70M required to activate Suarez's buy out clause?

Has his problems for sure. but outstanding football talent. true world class with proven premier experience.

Thoughts?

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{Ed004's Note - Never. Wouldn't want the player at our club}

And why not? We have young who's a diver, Anderson who's totally unprofessional. Nani who's been pathetic.
So what's wrong with Suarez? He's been an person. But so were a load of united players in our time. Remember Keane? He didn't behave like a pro on many occasions, yet he could do no wrong in our eyes.

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I only care about what a player brings to the team. and world class footalling talent, is world class footballing talent.

I'll leave the moral high ground to others.

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05 Jan 2014 17:22:36
Ed04, I strongly Disagree. He was awful last season, as a person, still managed 20+ goals. He has been brilliant on and off the pitch this season. Just 2 yellow cards in 15 games and 20 brilliant goals. let's be honest. I don't wanna him at UTD, We need someone like him. A PURE WORLD CLASS PLAYER, who would make things possible out absolute Nothing.

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05 Jan 2014 15:44:02
Lindegaard, Smalling, Ferdinand, Evans, Buttner, Valencia, Fletcher, Cleverley, Kagawa, Welbeck, Hernandez.

Banter please Ed.

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{Ed004's Note - If you are going to do a job Syd don't do it half right... Subs De Gea, Fabio, Anderson, Carrick, Giggs, Zaha, Januzaj; would rather Fabio start right back and Smalling in for Rio in centre back so we could push forward. Can't see us winning with Rio as we will have to defend on our own 6 yard line, hoping Welbeck out left}

I would hope to see Zaha at some stage.

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Got to feel for Zaha, Moyes won't cut the lad a break. Games like this are perfect to get him on the pitch.

I imagine Rio is there for experience, However Fletcher is there for that. Its not too weak a team though

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Ed004

I agree, I am really dumbfounded why fabio is not selected.

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Why can't Fabio get a game, Buttner is terrible and Smalling isn't a right back. What has the lad done wrong to be behind Buttner?

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That cross was far from terrible. But yeah defensively he is poor lol

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Agreed guys.
Ps did anyone see Moyes face when we equalised? He didn't even smile. That's great Mr Moyes! Is this guy for real?!

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I don't really blame him for that. Things just keep going from bad to worse for him.

Defense caught short again. Rio to blame? Chico's Swing and a miss. He was losing AGAIN at home. So we clawed one back. great.

If I was him i'd not be celebrating just yet

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NM

On the contrary Moyes' face just showed the amount of pressure he is in. Quite frankly its not good viewing. Football is a sport, its not meant to take the fun out of life for a lot of people.

Deeps.

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I think Fabio should play on the right back and smalling move to cb. Rio not great and I think he is in retirement mode and truly cooked.

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Let's sack him

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HMM

Maybe not a good idea for Fabio to play. What a silly challenge. When it rains it pours as they say.

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05 Jan 2014 15:32:34
{Ed004's Note - So we have 1 defender and midfielder all but signed and working on another 1 midfielder and defender? Just clarifying what you wrote}
Dear mr ed004
Yes sir, ngiak has been told in his circle that the finances have been finalized and that the legal paperwork is just about done
It apparently would be a huge disaster if it's not completed
Also the other two as you mentioned are still being thrashed out in the early stages
ngiak wonders if you know who these candidates or players may be
gan

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{Ed004's Note - Honestly have no idea though I hope you're right about 4 signings especially if they're good enough for first team}

I highly doubt we'll sign 4 players in January.

Maybe 2 in January and 2 being done for the summer?

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More like the new offiicial tyre sponsors in azerbaijan.

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05 Jan 2014 15:07:53
Hoping for a Nani plus cash for Vidal very soon with Juve.
Also a swap deal of Young for their canteen chef, heard she does a mean lasagne!

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05 Jan 2014 14:30:47
To all those worried about Moyes' recent comments regarding January transfers it's important to note two things.

Firstly (as has been pointed out); he does not say that we will not be signing players. He mentions that 'most' of the business will probably be done in the summer which implies that some will be done in January.

More importantly people should think back to the last window. Moyes talked about top players coming in and then signed Fellaini for a ridiculous price at the last minute.

If Moyes came out talking about us signing two top players and we were unable to broker any deals like last summer he would get crucified by the fans. He'd be adding pressure on himself to bring players in and other clubs would potentially use that to bump up prices a little. If we don't sign anybody it doesn't look like the club has been unable to sign top players like it did last summer (although it does make Mr. Moyes appear a little clueless as to the needs of the club).

If, on the other hand, he is able to sort out deals for Vidal and Coentrao (for example); fans will be happy having come to accept that it was unlikely that we'd sign anybody.

He's trying to lower the expectations of the fans - to protect himself from criticism and set himself up for praise (depending on whether or not deals can be struck).

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05 Jan 2014 14:51:52
Moyes have been Poor whenever he has been with the Press. He knows, the whole world know, We need some additions. Fingers crossed.

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Redseven I take your point, but as usual, it smacks of us trying to get players on the cheap.
We know we need midfielders and LB and Can and winger. More importantly, so do all the selling clubs. So let's give the selling clubs a bit of credit as they're not thick. They will want to get as much money as they can from us. They will not be screwed on price.
Problem is our arrogant owners actually think they can dictate who they buy and how much they pay for them.
The sooner they change their attitude the better.

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05 Jan 2014 14:09:31
Question. If Utd don't strengthen there squad do you think we, ll finish in the top 4 I still believe we will . What your thoughts

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Very unlikely. I said at the start of the season we'd be battling it out with Spurs for fourth. I'm now thinking we will be battling it out with them for fifth unless by some miracle Suarez leaves Liverpool this month.

We need five or six first team players (2XCM, LW, LB, CB and maybe RW). If we can sign two of them in January(Vidal and a top left sided player) we should be able to finish third (or fourth if Arsenal sign a top striker).

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Honestly, 5th.
The squad we have now will not finish above one of Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal or City.

If we were to sign a LB and a CMer this window, I reckon top 3.

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If we have a healthy squad without injuries that are concurrent for multiple players yes we will.

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Oops: meant are not concurrent

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05 Jan 2014 14:54:13
GCU,

Don't think so, Injuries have hit us, But more was the quality. you simply cannot compare our Full flogged side with any of the top side. We are well short in terms of quality. We should be signing some players. Or else I don't see us anywhere near top 6.

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We all agree that we need big time strengthening in our squad. But the players we Av if they was all fit I personally think its good enough to finish in the top 4. So if we finish 4th mybe a trophy would fans class it a good season for moyes people my think what a stupid question but iam just curious lol

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Not a chance. As I said all along, 5th spot is the best we can hope for. Unless we strengthen considerably in January. If we do, then we might have a chance of 4th spot.
If you watch arsenal. City and Chelsea, they are on a total different level from us. Leaves us fighting with Liverpool, spurs and Everton. And at the moment, we are not as good as any of them.

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05 Jan 2014 13:03:04
Just been reading graham hunter twitter, yes I know, I know, but interesting he makes a comment saying he doesn't believe Moyes thinks coentrao is good enough, or koke is ready for utd, this with thinking alcantara wasn't up to the prem league, I wonder which players he would have signed, I don't believe he would have signed de gea.

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A CMer running the rig in La Liga and Europe, isn't ready to replace Tom Cleverly in the centre of our midfield?

Coentrao not good enough, yet Moyes wanted him on the final day (on loan).

If this is true, Moyes seems to be finding an excuse not to buy anyone.I'd love to know who he would like to buy, or who he thinks is ready to improve a team languishing in 7th place.

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Worrying if true. Especially when you consider his track record, ie judgement seen thus far:
-Double bid fiasco for Fellaini and Baines.
-Fellaini not covered himself in glory thus far. That on top of paying £4m more than what was required just weeks earlier.
-Herrera debacle
-Coentrao loan move not being completed in time
-Varela not seen at all - appreciate he's one for the future tho.
-Zaha not given a chance in spite of some v average wing play in front of him.
-Ozil not needed apparently.
-Alcantara not prem class but good enough for best team in Europe.
-Strootman passed on also yet he's contributing to a resurgent Roma in Serie A.
-Public pursuit of Fabregas when it seemed obvious he would stay at Barca or if likely to move would have gone home to Arsenal.

Surely I'm not alone in thinking the only major managerial decision Moyes has got right thus far has been playing Janujaz? Which looks to have been a no brainer!

Anyone with eyes can see we need to be bidding for Shaw or Coentrao at LB and Vidal, Koke or Gundogan for midfield as a minimum.

I know we all think we could manage better than Moyes and I have no doubt that I for one do not have the pre-requisite skillset to take on what is one of the biggest jobs in world football. However, and this is what a lot of us will come back to especially when the going gets tough, is seemingly neither does Moyes!

I hope the United Board understand the level of investment that's required in top class reinforcements that can come into the first team now in order for us to become competitive.

I hope I am pleasantly surprised however I fear that the board may not back Moyes in January and we see the usual no value in the market diatribe.

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05 Jan 2014 14:56:08
I am still not over from the Fabrigas saga. We just made a joke of our self. 25, 28 and then 30 for Fellaini. Unbelievable.

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I'm with you Attitude. You's did make a joke of yourselves

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Halesini, we don't think so, we KNOW we can do a better job than Moyes, anyone can. He's a total waste of space.

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To be honest, its difficult to know who to believe. You watch arsenal, city and Chelsea and they are so much better than us. Even Liverpool and Everton are better.
Then you hear these comments from our manager and you don't understand the thinking behind them.
The fact is, if we don't buy, then we're gone. And I would change Moyes while we're at it as he has done absolutely nothing right so far.

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05 Jan 2014 12:56:41
So Moyes now being very vague about bringing players in. The words he uses suggest he doesn't have much to do with it. Claiming he isn't sure if we went as far as bidding for De Rossi. I'm starting to worry about him already.

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05 Jan 2014 12:45:30
So DM as come out and said no business will be done in January regarding transfers. Either this is another very silly move and he is going to stick it out with our current lackluster squad or he is doing the opposite to what they did in the summer and keeping things quiet so they can actually get some business done rather than putting it public. Another Manchester United forum are reporting a €35 million bid to be made for Reus! Any of the eds heard anything?

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{Ed004's Note - Nope}

05 Jan 2014 12:44:25
With our frustration over the form this season and the fiasco of a transfer window last summer, where we were made to look like fools bidding for cesc who was never going to leave barca.plus Moyes saying he needed to assess the squad before he made any changes when everyone the world over knows changes were needed. Followed by Moyes saying we have a few injuries but we won't be panicked into buying.
HELLO!
What ways do fans have of making our feelings known to him
and the club, no one can get to anyone and ask the questions we have been asking all season. MUTV dodge the difficult questions as you might expect.
Is it possible to challenge them to a fans a Q and A or a more critical press such as fans forums and supporters groups.
For the life of me I cannot understand why he isn't getting more grief from those present on match days, I know we need to support the manager but it cannot be unconditional.

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If the owners won't support the man financially, why should the fans support him? Support goes both ways, fans will make a stand if the product on the field continues to deteriorate.

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05 Jan 2014 14:58:21
I believe, When Moyes took over the Squad He underestimated Other Clubs. Spurs were signing for Fun. Liverpool were signing. Chelsea bought Jose and Willian. City's best signing was their Manager.
We simply cannot compare our squad with any of the top teams.

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Everyone can make their views heard during matches, especially, if they were voiced collectively.
The owners have been taking us for a ride for years, and it is up to us to continue to line up their pockets without complaints, or to show our displeasure.

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05 Jan 2014 12:37:21
Rooney Is right 2 do this over the past few seasons teams like man city and chelsea have signed around 6 class players were we have signed 1 rvp we have moved so far behind its unreal RegTheRed

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So you think players should now dictate to the club and the manager what we should do. Next thing you know they will want beer and pole dancers in the locker room at halftime

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Not a bad idea gcu, I will supply the half time sliced oranges.

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I will bring the oysters and massage oil :)

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What a great idea, its the only excitement we'll have at OT!

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05 Jan 2014 12:36:24
RIP Eusebio. one of the all time greats!

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Well said Andy. I am in Portugal at the moment, and everyone is very sad at his passing away. Great player and a gentleman.

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05 Jan 2014 12:00:08
all manchester united fans know we need some new players, my proposal- if wayne rooney is unhappy again and won't sign a new contract, we swap him for juan mata + cash. we sign falcao who is an absolute beast, has scored goals in every league he has played in and tore apart chelsea in the super cup(from memory) and sign coentrao from real madrid, send nani+ cash to juventus for vidal, if only.

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Novel Idea

Mata+ Plus Cash for Rooney- Ahem not happening. (btw if there is any truth to the rumor he does not want to stay, I would personally do a swap even up). Remmeber Rooney's wages makes him a very expensive total deal and it is not just about transfer fees.

Falcao- He just signed For Monaco not happening.


The last 2 are probable depending on valuations of Vidal and Nani by both clubs and players wanting the move.

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05 Jan 2014 12:49:54
GCU.

Spot on.

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Any of the Eds know if Monaco or for that matter PSG players are unsettled due to French tax changes, ie super tax that was mooted?

Prospects of players such as Falcao, Verrati, Moutinho, Rodriguez moving on May not be as distant as would first appear. Whether they would come to us is a different matter of course.

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{Ed002's Note - You are clutching at straws.}

05 Jan 2014 11:39:11
ngiak hears that 2 almost done and 2 more in the process
It's tough getting clubs to buy some of our players ngiak hears
Moyes truly may have been dealt a poor hand
But ngiak sees that the tide may slowly be changing
One in defense and the other in midfield done and likewise in the process
It is seriously hoped that this talk is true because a novice like moyes will not be able to handle and reverse the inevitable downward spiral if fortunes of the club on the field are not reversed ASAP
It's a real high pressure situation. A now or doldrums for a long time situation
They do realize it. Moyes has to stand up and be counted
Very soon ngiak believes
gan

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{Ed004's Note - So we have 1 defender and midfielder all but signed and working on another 1 midfielder and defender? Just clarifying what you wrote}

Unfortunately I doubt it gan.

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Sorry Gan but Notes has stated there will be no transfers in this window. The only hope us we are doing our business now ready for the summer transfer window. But I doubt it.

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Your sources are telling you fibs. We're not signing anyone soon. If at all,

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05 Jan 2014 11:33:32
This is a part of the interview:
"Most of the business will be more towards the summertime, rather than January"
"We'll keep looking but if one of the targets comes around, or one of the targets that we're looking at changes in January, then great."
David Moyes.

Not really no signings in Jan is it?

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Supasub

Exactly, he is saying that if the signings we want become available we would try to buy them. I think the problem is how Moyes started the comment about whether we would buy by saying "I don't think so" and that probably brought the negative side forward. Moyes needs to think about the words he uses, if he had just said for example "we will see" it would have put it differently.

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"Most of the business in the summer /more business in the summertime" Their is from this I presume something already agreed with at least 1 player for January. But that could be outs as well as ins. Or could just be exits but I'm guessing at least 1 player is already coming. Vidal hopefully but I doubt it's him. It also suggests that at least something is in place for the summer too IMO that is probably already agreed.
Based on recent quotes has any body come out on one of our potential targets and said something like "they/he won't be leaving in January" and not said anything beyond? I know Moyes has said this about one of our own (Hernandez).

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I think it's obvious that most clubs including our own prefer to do business in the summer. But if a summer target was to become available, then the MU board will act. For example, if say Liverpool were to look to Konopyanka this month, then the MU board may need to act now. Just like we acted when Spurs wanted Zaha or Arsenal wanted Smalling.

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Maybe we should have let spurs take Zaha and not acted:)

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05 Jan 2014 10:30:31
Moyes as said no signings in Jan do you think its the truth or just side track . What's your thoughts ed

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

05 Jan 2014 09:52:22
Ed moyes has come out and said no signings in jan. Is this the case or is he being careful what he says after the fabregas episode?

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{Ed002's Note - It is actually a secret message. You need to listen to his exact words and then should be able to decipher it.}

Thanks ed, what was your impression of the message and how many if any do you think we will sign.
First time poster by the way but been following for years, spot on site

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{Ed002's Note - I found the message very interesting.}

Spill please ed.

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{Ed002's Note - All but the must dumb of fans will clearly see the hidden message. Listen to the words - write them down accurately - you will see the message.}

Ed stop you're terrible! :)

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Look at the post above and read the actual quotes. Its not hard is it.

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LOL, Hilarious.

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Is this a piss take or am I actually one of those dum ones you were on about?

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C'mon Ryan, its bloody obvious. can't you work it out?

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05 Jan 2014 08:45:04
Edd is the Coentrao deal rumour true

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{Ed002's Note - Is it on Twitter yet?}

05 Jan 2014 05:08:18
Thanks for that post ed002 I know its a rumour site(btw I'm a Long time reader and it's a first post from me) apart from Vidal and possibly coentrao who are we realistically after.I think moyes should get a decent chance to put a team together 2-3 seasons at most I just hope he has the backing of the glazers and gets the right money to invest.We would do great with just one midfield player and a left back at the least.

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{Ed002's Note - The Glazers have always made money available.}

05 Jan 2014 11:20:02
If money has been avaliable, how come we haven't signed a world class player? Really confused.

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{Ed002's Note - That is because you live the life of a fantasy football manager player.}

05 Jan 2014 03:34:48
Hi eds if the Sunday papers are correct, and moyes dosent sign anyone this January or if we don't get in top, do u blame Rooney for not signing a new deal. IMO we won't make top 4 thoughts please

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{Ed002's Note - Of course not.}

Rooney signing a new contract or not has very little to do with us making top 4 and another red herring in this ongoing saga. Plenty of players move on irrelevant of European football and plenty stay irrelevant of European Football.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that and what you read in the press does not provide the full story. It generally comes down to money, contract terms etc etc.

I was told by 3 premiere league managers he wants Mega money given his age and this being his last contract that he has some leverage.

They tell me in 2010 he had a deal with city that with all the add ons was almost 400k, I don't know if I believe it but that is what they said.

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If £400k pw was offered by Citeh I'm amazed Rooney is still here. Seems highly plausible our recent form and length of time left on his contract, plus the fact other teams will offer more cash and potentially Champs League etc ( which we may not be able to guarantee), will create a perfect storm for Rooney leaving.

So, appreciating it's adding 2+2 together but a Mata / Rooney swap has to be plausible.

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That was in 2010 when he asked for a transfer and he was in awesome form.

I doubt anyone would be offering that now but swear it came from PL managers, who know SAF very well and in some cases have close ties to the Club.

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05 Jan 2014 01:01:51
And so it begins the words none of us wanted to hear

Asked if he would be making any signings, Moyes said: "I don't think so. I think most of the business will be more towards the summer rather than January."

Either Moyes and the entire united board are blind or deluded or both or there isn't money being made available.

I understand there is not always value to buying in January because of players being cup tied etc. for the champions league but there are players who "could" be available.

Vidal to use one example as Juve are out of the Champions League.

Benfica need money too, Garay, Gaitan, Matic any of those 3 would be an improvement on what we have.

Gundogan, not signing a new deal has made that clear to Dortmund prob would be avail at the right price.

Coentrao, apparently been told by Madrid he can go.

Di Maria, only used sparingly by Madrid surely would jump and the chance to play every week esp in this a world cup year.

I hope this isn't a case of the Glaziers being tightfisted, there was a time when the big transfers were happening or the best young talents were being made available then Manchester United would be at the front of the queue but that has not been the case for a long time.

Look at the list of almosts its shocking, Hazard, Lucas to name but 2

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I have not heard the interview or read the 'quotes' but I am assuming that this is moyes just playing the game and talking rubbish in his press conference. He has realised you cannot say anything as Manchester United manager without the press printing it in 700 different ways so might as well just deny everything and let them print that.

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Well, That is really bloody discouraging. I realize guys like Vidal and Koke might be one step too far in this window, however if Coentrao does move and we sit around and do nothing, It will tell us a lot about the manager and the owners.

I wonder where SAF sits on all of this being on the board and I assume they would need to sanction any spending, supporting spending or defending this lot as being plenty good, after all it is his team.

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Yeah I wouldn't read anything into that comment.Moyes used to say that every window at Everton.Players will be bought although I can't more than 2 being brought in.

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I hope this is a smokescreen but I fear not. Oh well Ill keep dreaming.

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It's an absolute joke, there's plenty of players available that would improve this squad. Moyes must now deliver champions league qualification otherwise there's going to b a big backlash at United.
Not happy!

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We should likely take his words with a pinch of salt. Moyes does not know how to handle the press at the level he is at. Take a recent quote, "I never talk about players at other clubs, " said Moyes."That's my stock answer. I don't think it is right. "I didn't do it in the summer and I certainly won't do now."
I think Moyes forgot his summer comments about the Fabregas pursuit.
Therefore the latest may just be the way he thinks he now needs to play the press. However he doesn't appreciate the impact he is having on the support. There is also the possibility that his fixation with Baines is a problem and the Glazers won't support him with the amount Everton want, or the players we need have taken a look at our non Champions league spot and won't make a leap of faith, or even that Moyes isn't sure about the players. Everton fans called him dithering Dave. It should be born in mind that if we don't sign anyone this window it could also be that the Glazers are not supporting him financially. Let's remember Moyes didn't go with SAFs summer targets and we have seen the result, so would the owners be holding back because they are tight or because they want to take stock of where we are in summer and have money to spend if they brought in a new manager. The Glazers saw their Tampa Bay outfit struggle under an inexperienced coach before sacking him recently after his second season. They then appointed a new appropriately experienced coach so they may have recently realised the value of experience. Let us also remember that neither Woodward or Moyes has any experience at the top end of players which may hamper us. Whatever the case we need to buy this window and I haven't given up on strengthening yet, let us judge on 1st Feb, yet we said that all summer but have the club learned?

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RedMan

I do agree with Moyes needing to curb how he answers reporters an some of it taken out of context and some of the stuff he says is just bad.

I don't believe it is a matter of the owners not trusting him or backing him but more a matter of what he wants and the availability of those players. I also don't believe we have not changed overnight and have never been known to pay over the odds and that might be a stumbling block in deals in January.

Finally, I follow the NFL and have done so for yonkers week in week out. The Buchs have been a disaster for god knows how many years and they have changed coaches many times in the last 10 years. Contrary to village tales on this site they have the 9th or 10th highest payroll in the NFL in a 32 man league and it is not for a lack of trying. They are like many other NFL franchises who just cannot get over the hurdle just like my beloved browns :)

If anything they have been guilty of constantly changing coaches and direction. They have also had lousy draft picks and bad luck with career ending injuries and players who have tested well in the combines but have not worked out in the NFL. Remember the average NFL career is 4 years.

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GCU

Thing is mate, if we don't make top 4, those targets aren't going to be available anyway. They won't want to join us as we'll be seen as a risky option with no CL football.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place and it didn't need to be like this if we'd done our business in the summer. We'd be top 2-3 by now.

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RED_SKY

I do agree we should have done a lot more business in the summer and royally screwed up but then again a lot of people did not believe we needed to do much given last seasons results, including many on this site.

This idea of players not joining because of cl stuff is bs with the exception of a few players mate. Look at Monaco, Roma this past summer, PSG a few seasons ago. Players joined them as long as you are willing to do business with the selling club and meet players wage demand. Look at Chelsea a few years ago or City when they were called Projects.

You should stop listening to some of the stuff as it is just pure opinions and not fact what so ever. A bad season will not be the end of United and 99% of players would give their left leg to play for us.

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GCU

Your looking at it through the eyes of a United fan mate. Majority of quality foreign players couldn't give a stuff about a club's history or reputation, just how good they are at present and how much they're willing to pay.

"Players joined them as long as you are willing to do business with the selling club and meet players wage demand."

Yeah, because we've been good at doing this recently haven't we?

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05 Jan 2014 00:06:37
Evra has been a liability this season.

We tried signing Coentrao on loan last day of the last window.

Coentrao was so upset, he needed to be consoled by Nani and Ronaldo.

Coentrao is a LB, can also play LW and CDM.

Coentrao is available for £12million.

Why isn't Moyes sat opposite the lad shaking his hand already?

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FFS RED_SKY, don't you know how long it takes to get to Spain in a hot air balloon?

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