Manchester United Banter Archive July 05 2015

05 Jul 2015 22:52:14
Our targets should b IMO, otamendi and/or Ramos, Coleman, Schneiderlin and Lacazette.

If De Gea leave then either Lloris or buy Bernd Leno and have Valdez as our number 1 for next season with Leno playing cup games and taking over the season after.

06 Jul 2015 08:57:01
Loris for me, Valdes will get picked on like ddg used to with crosses and expect a few howlers from him. Good shot stopper but not the best to deal with set balls and crosses into the box especially if crowded.

05 Jul 2015 21:13:27
Ed's, De Gea has been quoted as saying "Real Madrid? I have to return to Manchester United for pre-season" surely if the transfer was going to happen it would have by now? If he is going then united will need a better goalkeeper than valdes next season.

05 Jul 2015 21:20:24
if he does leave i think we will sign a new gk

05 Jul 2015 21:21:45
if it wasn't happening why has dea gea not come out and said he's signing a new contract.

05 Jul 2015 21:37:26
spd
why hasn't ramos

05 Jul 2015 22:54:21
Why would he come out and bang on about signing for Madrid when there's a chance it might fall through and he'll be hated by the fans for it all, the lad is being smart if it does fall through then 'it was all rumour'.

06 Jul 2015 07:26:22
I did say this will drag out for some time. I get the sense we will see a big deal between madrid and us involving several players.

06 Jul 2015 09:06:26
jred. but ramos has said he wants to leave.

06 Jul 2015 09:07:00
add to the fact ramos has a much longer contract that dea gea so he has no need to sign a new contract yet

06 Jul 2015 09:54:44
spd
has ramos said he wants to leave ?

06 Jul 2015 18:11:27
If you wanted to read things into his turn of phrase he says i have to return not i am or will be returning. Might mean nothing and equally could mean i have to return due to feelings he owes the club/fans loyalty or similar reasons. Unfortunately for us if he worded his response deliberately in my opinion the former is more likely.

{Ed007's Note - I thought you were talking about KLOOT until I read the thread back.}

06 Jul 2015 18:58:04
Ha ha i remember kloot and also his earlier rft name but rarely agreed with him the banter was good with posters. Although i welcome anyones return i'm sure he wouldn't be offended to know i haven't composed a post about his reappearance.

05 Jul 2015 19:38:03
For all those worrying about the silence coming out of OT on transfers please remember last summer, we were very critical of the club for there statements (Woodward leaving the tour on transfer business) and claiming it is not the normal Manchester United way.
Now we are doing it that way we are complaining about the lack of noise.
Have faith, LVG knows who he wants, I am sure plenty of deals are being worked and hopefully the right ones will come off.maybe not the big name ones but possibly the right ones.

05 Jul 2015 20:12:10
That's not how it works Brad, every day is another day nearer Armageddon with all our preferred targets signing for other teams. Being serious for a moment, whilst there is no need to panic like some are I do find some of the reports a little concerning. If we have now bid for Ramos basf on him falling out with RM, what has happened to our original target (presuming there was one). I know he's a great player but I would have hoped we have a clear strategy that we are working towards. Who knows, we may well have but in the meantime the press will stir up all sorts of stories about our targets

05 Jul 2015 21:02:55
I agree AJH. LVG said that he wanted targets wrapped up early so they could bed in during the pre-season. But it doesn't seem like we have a clear plan outlined for who we want to bring in. The Ramos saga on top of the nonsense with Alves means that we are still nowhere near sorting out our two biggest defensive issues.

05 Jul 2015 21:09:12
That is pretty much my thoughts AJH.

05 Jul 2015 22:23:16
I can agree on some points but who says that our preferred players have signed for other teams. Maybe the fans preferred but we don't know who LVG wants.
We are only just,at pre season stage, if we are 2 weeks further on heading to America I would agree but it is still early days.
Copa America may be holding up deals? They may be in place just need finalising? Selling clubs may be playing hard ball?
Patience and faith.

05 Jul 2015 22:01:10
It all feels like the Cesc Fabregas and Thiago Alcantara situations from 2 years ago. Maybe we could've got Thiago but I never felt we had a chance with Fabregas. I feel the same about this Ramos nonsense. Otamendi is the one we should be after, not Ramos.

05 Jul 2015 21:59:55
My personal opinion is that we have all but wrapped up deals Otamendi and Schneiderlin. These are the key signings. And I'm pretty sure they will both arrive before we set out on tour.

My feeling with the Ramos interest is we are playing a clever game. Ramos and Otamendi would work well together, so could both be bought. But my opinion is we are trying to get the best deal out of Madrid for DDG, and using Ramos' unrest as leverage. It could go either Madrid agree to pay for DDG what we want or we get Ramos and Madrid save a few million on Dave.

Either way I don't think we've put all our eggs in one basket, I think we will wrap up the Otamendi signing as well as Schneiderlin soon. Then we will see what the outcome is with DDG/Ramos before maybe bringing in a RB, ST and maybe a GK. In the mean time Varela Wilson and possibly Henriquez will be given a chance to prove their worth.

{Ed004's Note - I think within the next few weeks deals will be completed for a centre back (Ramos preferably though probably Otamendi), a right back (Fabinho, Coleman or Darmian) and Schneiderlin. Hopefully Di Maria gets a chance to play centrally again with Depay signing they could alternate. Don't want to brake up the Herrera and Mata relationship}

05 Jul 2015 22:57:54
ed 4 to play di maria in cm we do need a perfect dm and schneiderlin is not a dm . do u think we will sign a dm in this window.

{Ed004's Note - I think Schneiderlin could adapt to the defensive midfield role and Herrera will improve more defensively as well. That and we will be playing a higher line so not as much risk.}

06 Jul 2015 02:43:55
Henriquez won't get his chance. He has officially been sold to dinamo Zagreb. Clearly LVG did not fancy giving him a chance on tour to prove himself.

06 Jul 2015 07:26:15
I reckon Di Maria will be sold if decent offer comes in.

He didn't settle, was more of a statement signing, doesn't understand why LVG didn't play him - and we have Young and Depay (and even Gaitan!) on the left wing, with Rooney, Mata, fellaini and Januzaj - and Perreira - to play more centrally.

I think we should bit off PSG's hand if they offer decent money.

06 Jul 2015 08:43:32
Otamendi scares me. didn't give a great account of himself in the copa, and sanchez ran rings around him in the final. not sure anymore

06 Jul 2015 09:00:09
Sanchez runs rings around most defenders mate and when he is on he can be unplayable. I prefer Ramos but Ottamendi is a big improvement on Jones and will help smalling.

06 Jul 2015 07:43:24
Ed004
I don't know why you would want adm to play centrally. Yes, he's an excellent outlet but in our particular system(lvg), he's the anti-equation. In possession football, the last place you'd want to lose the ball is the middle 3. This is partly why rooney does so terribly in that position. With adm, it worked for madrid because they usually have so much space to work with because of their front three.
I think adm should play right wing and cut inside on his left foot. If we do want someone to play the adm-real madrid role in the midfield, then we need to get another cm.

{Ed004's Note - Were would you play Mata then if Di Maria was to play out wide. Mata was fantastic near the end of the season and with a better right back we will probably have the best right side in the league next season.}

05 Jul 2015 19:19:37
Since tomorrow is the first day back in training, could it be the day where Van Gaal tell's some players to find a new club?

E.G: RVP, Evans, Powell ?

05 Jul 2015 19:48:02
May well be the case!

06 Jul 2015 07:28:46
Wasn't there a rumor that LVG told players about there futures just before jetting off to his holidays.
RVP, Evans and others already did know their futures.

05 Jul 2015 10:33:41
Hi eds, any chance you could fill me in on whether we're still interested in Bernard mensah and upamecano? Both players have been said to be potential stars and were heavily linked with us. Not heard anything for a while, we still after them?

{Ed004's Note - I haven't gotten any new info on the players. Upamecano looks like he will be joining. I doubt the other is}

05 Jul 2015 17:35:21
Ok thanks for your reply, let's hope if upamecano does sign he'll turn out as well as people are saying!

05 Jul 2015 15:44:39
Assuming that no new signings will be unveiled until August 1 because of addidas shirt deal, why don't Addidas payout Nike what's worth one month of money Nike pays for United and bring forward the deal? I am sure Addidas can easily earn more on shirt sales in United's pre-season tour with new signings. I know that is non that trivial but just asked out of curiosity. I also want to know upto what level of matches United should wear jerseys with sponsors on it?
'Level' here means seriousness of competition.
A PL match, An exhibition match, like that.

05 Jul 2015 16:05:35
I don't think our new signings have anything to do with Addidas or Nike . It is because we are negotiating . It really amazes me when people tell me that we not signing players right now is because addidas does not come to effect till august 1

05 Jul 2015 16:19:07
Yu really think we will not sign anyone because of an Adidas deal LOL.

05 Jul 2015 16:45:46
It's quite ludicrous to assume that a sponsorship deal has anything to do with when we announce signings. The deals that we are involved in are for higher echelon players which means they take time it seems that some believe Woodward just rocks up to the selling club with a briefcase full of cash , hands it over spits in his hand and then shakes on it done deal!! It's bollox for a deal to be done it's this window probably 100's of hours has already gone in to it were on day 5 of the window it's a bit frustrating but if we want the RIGHT players we must be patient.

05 Jul 2015 15:34:23
Another proof of how the media cooks up news:


Today when Arsenal is linked to Benzema the price quoted is some 18-20mp whereas about 2 weeks back when he was linked to United the price was 35mp.

Looks like Benzema lost a lot of talent and ability in 2 weeks.

05 Jul 2015 15:49:09
Whenever you see MUFC name linked or mentioned everyone adds on 15 million .

To be honest the press are a joke and utd are making a mockery of them by making sure there is no leaks! which i'm actually happy about,

06 Jul 2015 16:45:03
that's easy, Benzema was a lot fitter two weeks ago!
He's been on holiday and probably completely out of shape, that's why his price dropped so much.

:D

05 Jul 2015 15:01:13
All of us here are concerned about the lack of signings in areas that required immediate attention.

A drawn out transfer saga like the one we are seeing with Ramos and DDG does not really help the mood at the club.

Hopefully we can get in the players we need and have a good pre-season where hopefully we will see the 'philosophy' setting into the team.


My signings:

Ramos/Otamendi/Hummels (any 1)
Coleman/Fabinho/Darmian (any 1)
Schneiderlin
Kane/Benzema/Lacazette (any 1)
Begovic
Depay (he will be a star)

Come on LvG now I have given you a lot of options. Go on make it happen. ;)

05 Jul 2015 15:57:05
i take ramos coleman and kane

05 Jul 2015 19:24:42
Its not LVG that needs options i'm sure he handed his options to mr woodward long before the season ended but mr woodward seems to be incapable of sealing a deal unless a) The player forces it through or b) an agent is already touting a player around. I do wonder how long it will be until the board decide to bring in someone who specialises in transfers and keeps mr woodward doing what he's good at, sponsorships.

05 Jul 2015 14:19:26
Begining to wonder has van gaal finally lost it allowing a 20 goal striker leave utd we bought him for a pittance so why not give him a try if it doesn't work out we can actually sell him for a pittance the player i'm talking about is chile's enriquez any body agree or not

05 Jul 2015 14:34:40
29 goals in 37 games this season, I know it's not a great league but surely it warrants a chance.

05 Jul 2015 14:39:30
If not a chance, then surely Atleast another loan to pl or championship club

05 Jul 2015 14:50:08
Strange one, he must have someone big lined up and must see more potential in Wilson.

05 Jul 2015 15:03:12
It's a bit harsh to say LVG has lost the plot. Henriquez has had 3 different managers at Utd and failed to impress. They can't all be wrong. He's an average striker hence he's banging them in at an average side.

05 Jul 2015 15:32:48
What makes me laugh is the meltdown on twatter, mainly from foreign fans it has to be said, about selling him. Sure it was a good goals to games ratio but in a 4th rate league. Obviously must be someone coming in. Unless Cole and yorke have really impressed in the legends games ;)

05 Jul 2015 15:50:51
There could have been an agreement where the Zagreb could buy him at the price that was decided before the loan. They obviously exercised it and United perhaps did not have any say in it.
Also he looked sharp yesterday but so did Eduardo Vargas(QPR player) so I don't think it's a massive loss for us.
Rooney, Wilson, another signing/RVP ahead of him and quite possibly Chicharito, he would not have started a game this season with one front man formation. And he wasn't particularly great on loan to wigan. He is in a similar situation as that of Mame Biram Diouf some seasons ago.

05 Jul 2015 16:18:33
Henriquez leaving is no shock, however, it does highlight how we like to use media also. If Chile had not got through to the final he would have never come back and been available for the USA tour before finally signing for Zagreb.

05 Jul 2015 20:01:38
It's about time he had a decent run even if it means loaning Wilson out for the season then make a judgement on him. He had a great season and did ok in copa America as a sub. Defo keep him for now

05 Jul 2015 13:28:40
Just read on the MEN live blog that Angelo Henriquez has moved permanently to Dinamo Zagreb. Another striker gone? Makes me wonder whether LVG has a big fish waiting to be signed.

05 Jul 2015 14:06:51
I think he has someone lined up. Lacazette appears to be available, Benzema is too, Cavani is possible. But I think the one everyone at the club wants is Kane.

05 Jul 2015 15:56:13
Kane won't leave Spurs this year for United. At the risk of being on the bench half the season and the euros coming up. Plus he's a boyhood spurs fan. He won't leave this season and quite frankly for the fee it would take I hope he's not even thought about

05 Jul 2015 16:01:43
fresh i like the cavani of napoli but he lost it for the money psg want from him i will never go near him . benzema good but then rooney will sit in bench and lvg like tall striker who can work hard and be back up to rooney kane tick all the above .

05 Jul 2015 11:55:47
Really pleased to see us make this alleged offer for Darmian. In mu opinion he is a better option than Coleman as we won't get fleeced. He has the potential to be a world beater and is of interest to Bayern so can't be a bad player!

05 Jul 2015 12:19:12
i would rather coleman , i think he is a better player and EPL proven

05 Jul 2015 12:49:33
I haven't really watched darmian. How good is he ?

05 Jul 2015 13:26:01
Darmian has the potential to be a far better player for half the price and half the hassle - makes sense to me. Can also cover left back.

05 Jul 2015 13:42:30
Obviously Darmian is the flavour of the day today instead of Ramos, Otamendi and Hummels. I wonder who will jump on the fancy name train rather than stick with the best option (ahem, Colemen).

Ah Fresh, I see you have bought a ticket for the fancy name train today very early. Coleman is heads and shoulders above Darmian. Behave yourself.

05 Jul 2015 13:55:16
fresh
i would have to disagree and he is coming up 26 so i think the time for talking about potential has passed

05 Jul 2015 14:26:27
Jred the two best right backs in the league currently both improved massively from 26-28.

05 Jul 2015 14:51:50
Darmian is quality jred, it isn't a fantasy football wishlist so you behave yourself. Darmian represents a far better deal than a £30 million deal for Coleman which could detract from any bid we make for forwards.

05 Jul 2015 15:14:55
fresh
like i say i disagree, he is a decent player but he is not a better player than coleman imo.
if he is such a good player i'm surprised you hadnt mentinoed him before we where linked with him in the paper

as for cost coleman will cost more as he is a better player and EPL proven.

05 Jul 2015 16:27:33
I would take coleman, half these foreign players are a bust in the PL and Darmian seems to be flavour of the day today.

Just look at Quadrado who last year was on everyones list and the LB chelsea bought from Athletico. Much higher profile and still can't get into that team.

Only thing worth a read today and got my attention is the Goetze story and before ed002 took his break he had said he might get moved. That is a great player imo and if true would love to see us move for him.

05 Jul 2015 17:19:50
Darmian starts for italy. Say no more.

05 Jul 2015 18:15:25
Phil Jones starts at RB for England.

{Ed004's Note - If I was a betting man. I'd have money on Fabinho currently}

05 Jul 2015 10:50:11
Hi Guys

Does anyone know why we haven't got a woman's team and are we likely to have one.I have watched quite a bit of the world cup and have been quite impressed.It would be good to see us dominate the women's game.

05 Jul 2015 11:10:52
Bazza

We used to have a women's team until about 10 years ago but disbanded it if I remember correctly. There was little interest in it from memory, yet the women's World Cup has ignited interest for now. The rugby World Cup win did the same yet rugby hasn't taken off like football. I know the decision was due to be reviewed at United on a women's team because SAF's successor mentioned it but nothing has happened to my knowledge.
The cost , will it get the coverage and hence sponsorship to cover those costs is the issue, otherwise it could potentially be expenditure taken away from the men's teams. Simple questions are whether there is any money in it and would people turn up to watch it?

05 Jul 2015 11:45:27
I don't think there's a huge interest in women's football mate. Globally I mean. Perhaps the powers that be at Utd feel it wouldn't make much business sense right now to have a womens team. Are you honestly impressed by the standard of the women's game? Personally I don't think it's great.

05 Jul 2015 14:04:38
Hi Benny

I'm not impressed with it as a finished article I meant there were aspects of it that were better than I expected it to be.It will never be as competitive or as good as the mens game.

05 Jul 2015 15:43:23
To be fair the games I've seen in this year world cup were largely entertaining. It has come on a lot in terms of quality in recent years but like you say it probably will never reach the heights of the mens game. But it's wrong to compare them eh.

05 Jul 2015 16:05:27
Uniteds girls team (Centre) is run by The Foundation which is basically the clubs charitable organisation.Until recently The Cliff was used for training and the Academy pitches in Salford were where they played all their home matches.The facilities were the best within the northwest by a country mile and over the last few years United have produced some of the regions very best players.Rene Mulensteen was a big advocate and would take the odd training session at Carrington and attend some of the games.The Centre finishes at under 17s and having won their respective league against other premiership girls teams for the last 4 years Uniteds girls are snapped up in minutes. This i know as my daughter played for United between 8 and 17 and now currently plays for one of the premierships WSL clubs although her and others over the last cpl of years were devastated to have to leave.I hear that UEFA and the Premier League are trying to exert pressure on the club for them to introduce a womens team but word is only until they see some revenue being generated will they entertain the prospect.Daft thing is Citeh now have the best financed WSL clubs in the country and yet don't have any Centre of Excellence girls teams at youth level.

05 Jul 2015 09:48:54
Just had a quick look at Henriquez performance last season. 29 Goals in 36 appearances!!!! that's some return. The permanent switch seems to be off, if he can give half that return for us that would still be classed as a very good debut season. Could we be sitting on a diamond here? What are peoples opinions? Has anyone seen much of his games last season?

05 Jul 2015 11:29:26
I think we'd be stupid not to give him a chance, had a few nice touches when he came on for Chile last night an with RVP rumoured to be going we need the cover.

05 Jul 2015 11:33:20
I think given our lack of a striker signing so far LvG might use the pre-season to judge if Wilson is ready or does he need a loan.

I assume since Henriquez has been playing(and winning) the Copa he would probably join the squad late. That won't help his cause with LvG.

05 Jul 2015 11:55:09
RedAndy would you gamble on giving Henriquez a chance or would you prefer to sign a proven world class striker? I haven't seen enough of Henriquez to judge if he's good enough for us and I'm sure nobody on this site has been glued to the Croatian league. We should do what the other top teams around Europe do- sign proven top quality players.

05 Jul 2015 12:09:48
I understand the croatian league isn't the best but its got to be more competitive than the u21s.

05 Jul 2015 12:25:35
If rvp goes we definitely need to bring in someone who we know can challenge Rooney for his spot and get 15 goals a year, then henriquez and Wilson are good cover for those two, will be needed this year as we are in Europe so the fixture list is a bit longer

05 Jul 2015 12:35:44
True enough Depay. He's now got the benefit of a full competitive season as well.Will be interesting to see how he does pre season if he gets a chance. I still believe we need a proven front man tho. If I could sign 1 player this summer it would be Lewandowski.

05 Jul 2015 12:43:13
As an example, Rooney, Kane and Henriquez could be enough with Mata, depay, di Mari and Herrera chipping in from midfield. Loan Wilson for some experience.

05 Jul 2015 07:07:05
According to the daily papers Van Persie wants a £12 million pay off to leave, if true then he has gone right down in my estimations.
Fenerbache apparently offered £5 mill AND £250k per week.

05 Jul 2015 07:21:40
Would of thought he may of gone to Monte Carlo herbie to play for Monaco, sorry couldn't resist

05 Jul 2015 08:33:11
It does look pretty bad, but i think the papers got it slightly wrong, he had a 10 mil loyalty bonus written in to his contract which he would pick up at the end of next seasons if he stayed, so my guess is that he is asking for that, which i think is quite understandable, he would be mad to let that go especially when he probably doesn't want to leave and it looks like its Utd that want him to leave.

05 Jul 2015 08:53:24
I see what your saying Murph but the words "if he stayed" says it all, he's getting sold so the loyalty bonus shouldn't come into it (sold before the contracts up).
Its like we have to pay a transfer fee to get rid of a player, it don't make sense to me.

05 Jul 2015 09:04:12
Herbie
But he may not want to go. We might be the ones pushing him out. At that point, he legally can't ask for loyalty fees but he can try still.

05 Jul 2015 09:31:08
Personally I would be hard pressed to find someone better, who is available, in the current market than RVP on his day. If LVG is such a fantastic coach then work with RVP and get him back to his brilliant best. He has never depended on pace and I am positive he has no lost his technique and flair over night.

05 Jul 2015 09:34:12
imightbesomeone

Lets just hope he gets refused it then, football players have far to much power over clubs these days.
No loyalty unless money's involved.

05 Jul 2015 09:35:05
If United are pushing the player out, which seemingly we are, then RVP has every right to dig his heels in. He can effectively get his £10m bonus this time next year for warming the subs bench and collecting his £250k per week.

If the club want him out that much they should pay his contract up.

Credit to RVP if he wants to go and prove he can still play as there are plenty who would just warm the bench and wait for the money.

05 Jul 2015 09:39:49
The loyalty bonus was put in by us(Utd) as incentive for him honor his contract, he has not asked to leave in which case we won't have to pay.The press are making a big thing about this but Utd know about this and if they didn't want to pay it now it will cost them 22mill by the end of next season + he leaves for free.So by doing it now we save money.I for one will have mixed feelings if he leaves as i still believe he had a lot to offer.what ever he decides i wish him all the best.Deals in football are very complicated and sometimes you scratch you head and think we are getting robbed.

05 Jul 2015 09:53:00
I hear he is still very undicided about a move to Turkey due to all the trouble in that part of the world.

05 Jul 2015 10:12:17
Jmb
Strangely enough, i agree with this too. Imo, rvp is still a better out and out striker than rooney.
Our service was so poor last year that any striker would have looked poor. Amd if we do need a striker who is pl proven, MAY not feel like he has to start every match and is an excellent finisher then we already have him.

05 Jul 2015 10:27:01
Totally agree with JMB. We knew his injury record when we bought him we can't start morning at that, fact is when he's gone and we thinking oh if only we had a striker full of composure, technical ability, flair, clinical was here we'd have got rid of such a striker. When fit RVP is still one of the best around.

05 Jul 2015 10:50:19
JMB

Sorry I don't buy the "we would be hard pressed to find someone available who is better than RVP on his day"

I bet there are few if any Premier league teams who would buy him now and not the top echelon of clubs. He may have a good day against a Watford next season but his time at the very top is gone. He is not a Sheringham and RVP's injury record bar his first season with us has been poor. He was bought as a last hurragh by SAF and did that job well but it was short term thinking. Now is the time for a top striker (and several other areas) or 4th will be the best we can hope for and that is not a good enough ambition.

05 Jul 2015 12:57:01
The loyalty bonus is paid if the player doesn't ask for a transfer. As we're the ones pushing the transfer we owe him money.

05 Jul 2015 00:11:52
Being realistic l see us getting Scheiderlin, Darwin and otamandi, shopping finished.

05 Jul 2015 04:14:42
Maybe Darwin will be able to explain to the United fans why Bebe never evolved.

05 Jul 2015 09:00:04
Well played Sailor, top knotch :-)

05 Jul 2015 11:21:20
Have to disagree, the biggest transfer of the summer for us will be a striker.

05 Jul 2015 14:30:45
Agreed! It's got to be a striker! Either, Kane or my personal preference Lacazette! Lacazette should be cheaper too!