Manchester United Banter Archive June 05 2013

 

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05 Jun 2013 21:31:50
I would even love if we pay 30m euros plus Rooney for Ronaldo


Aly

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I take it that you skipped school alot. Your grammar is poor.

Mad Hatter

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Add an "It" and it would make more sense, leave the poor guy/gal alone mad hatter.

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Says somebody has poor grammar, doest know how to spell a lot.

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Also 'alot' is wrong. Its 'a lot'.

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How dum of you mad hatter slating your own

I take it your just a kid or you have not grown up yet {Ed007's Note - Why do you way us to arrange a play date? A creche is something we are looking it. Gettiting Kloot pointing and saying 'HA!' consecutively is proving difficult.

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Wat iz it wit peepul and der poor grammir?

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Just thought I would add the fact that it is you're, not your Mad Hatter :)

1redarmy

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NOPE IT IS 'YOUR' NOT 'YOU'RE' AS SAYING 'YOU ARE GRAMMAR IS POOR' IS ALSO WRONG.

NOW SPELL WESLEY S.

MS85

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05 Jun 2013 20:30:36
Seems that people are making a big deal about city's new recruits but it's not like they have spent all there cash on theses 2 players.
It won't bother them what they have spent and if both players can settle I think they will do well.
I also think city may sign isco who I think is going to be a top player a top class CF and possibly a top class CB

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No one's making a big deal of anything, just commenting on a very high transfer fee or two. City do not have an endless pot of cash as they are trying to take the FFPR seriously. They will make a couple more signings, but they are expected to lose some good players too. Personally I cannot see City topping the 85 points tally from the season before last. So that should be our target next season.

Sydney!

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I'm not ridiculing them and they're certainly both good players who will improve the squad but they could have made signings which would have struck more fear into me TBH, given their massive funding. If they get Isco they will have a great squad, will be interesting to see if Silva stays or whether Isco becomes his replacement.

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HB
I was told last month Silva was going or more to the point his wife was.
navas is a good player and if he settles I think he will do very well in the EPL.
If I'm honest haven't seen enough of the Brazil lad to have an opinion.
Isco will be a good signing and I think they will prob buy a real top CF.
If I was them I would also buy a cb.

Syd as I discussed with you at the end of last season I think the best signing city could of made was getting rid of manchini and getting a top manager and I think they have done that.
Are they taking the ffpr seriously, I don't think we will know untill the end of the transfer window but the fact they have spent so much on these 2 and most expect them to spend more on bigger names would suggest they r not to bothered about ffpr

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Jred

That's how I see their summer going too. TBF that would leave them with a really god squad and a good manager. I still contest though that 1) given their finances they could have bought players which would have had more of a psychological impact (if you know what I mean), and 2) given all the changes it may well take a bit of time for them all to 'gel together'.

No doubt they could be building something very special over time but I'm hoping we can keep up with them at least for next season with a few good signings of our own. Then who knows what the distant future holds.

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Hb
I think it will make it a better league
Its been discussed in the past but I think it was s poor league this year

Jred

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Would have to agree with that, jred. I'm expecting it to be tight at the top next season.

HB

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A lot of people in the game are saying Pellegrini this, Pellegrini that. A lot of people on this page have already place him on a pedestal. WHY? What has he done to deserve this high praise? Answers on the back of a stamp please.

Sydney!

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Got Villarreal to 3 in la liga, then the semis of the CL the following year and then 2nd in la liga the year after that (not many teams split brace madrid at the top )
Then moved to madrid and came second in the league to a very good brace team by 3 points. Set a record points total for madrid
Done well at Malaga and was very unlucky not to through against Dortmund.
But most of all his team's are well organized and play attractive football

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Exactly, not much to shout about then. Not sure why people are giving him so much respect.

Sydney!

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Fair point IMO Syd,

Pellegrini comes with a good pedigree and a good career but nothing to be overly worried about IMO. I might have been more worried about City over the next 2/3 years under Mourinho. Having said that, I think Pellegrini could build something special at City given a bit of time.

Jred - his career so far is pretty impressive but TBF Rafa Benitez probably had a better CV when he came to Liverpool and I don't think of him as one of the greats these days.

HB

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Why are 2nd and 3rd places in La Liga rated so highly yet getting into the top 4 in a much more competitive EPL with Everton on a shoestring budget not rated as an achievement?

REDFAITH

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05 Jun 2013 20:11:28
If we can get Ronaldo or Bale what about El Shaarawy? The guy is 20 years old and scoring goals for fun in Italy. He also plays left wing where no dowt Ronaldo and Bale will be put in the team. El Shaarawy will cost half of what Bale and Ronaldo will cost aswell.
NorthRed

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El Shaarawy would cost a lot less than half of Bale or Ronaldo. More like £20million.

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He probably doesn't want to leave Milan in the near future.

Nicolas_United

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His goalscoring dried up in January after Balo moved there and El Shaarawy stopped being their focal point. Still a good player mind.

redseven

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El shaarawy will cost a lot more than 20million
He is the current star of Italian football

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05 Jun 2013 19:18:22
Who would u have CR7 / OR BALE!!


super7 {Ed004's Note - For the same price over 60 mill then Bale for the same price at 50 or under Ronaldo}

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Ronaldo without a doubt, fair play to Bale a couple of pretty good seasons but not in the same league as Ronaldo IMO

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Both please. Time for the club to make a statement at an important time in the clubs history. Give Moyes every chance and make the other spenders worry early on.

Add in Thiago and Strootman and focus on youth coming trough later.
Thiago replaces Scholes, Strootman replaces Fletcher. Needed to do that anyway.

Nani goes and gets replaced by Ronaldo ( we only loaned him for a few years), just an upgrade and Bale is the signing for this years pot at a crucial

Keep Anderson I still think he will make it.

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Ronaldo despite his age will GUARANTEE you at least five years of top quality football. I couldn't give a monkey's if Bale is four years younger, Ronaldo is a class above and I would pick him every time.

Sydney!

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Here here Syd!

Brendan81

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Syd
How can you guarantee that
Jred

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RONALDO!! Bale nowhere near. Ronny will keep going for yrs, and is a constant threat. Whereas Bale has moments. IMO

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For me ronaldo had a few very good seasons at United and one stand out season there is no doubt for me he has played better for madrid than United.
Ronaldo made the step up from a great player to something really special.
Can bale do the same, well no one really knows.
Ronaldo is the better player at the moment so you would have to pick him on football reasons alone.
But as none of us know how much bale or ronaldo will sell for or how much wages they will want it is very difficult to work out who would really be the better signing

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Jred, since Ronaldo was 20 he has had an exceptional season and stayed at the peak of his physical fitness and staying pretty much injury-free.

Bale is injury-prone and had just one exceptional season. I would say Ronaldo joining would pretty much barring a catastrophe guarantee you top quality football.

Sydney!

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Ronaldo. I don't even think I need to explain why.

redseven

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Syd
Spin it round the other way and you could argue ronaldo has played an awful lot of football and the body can only take so much.
I think it is difficult to guarantee what you said

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"Spin it round the other way and you could argue ronaldo has played an awful lot of football and the body can only take so much"

LOL the irony, Ronaldo has shown absolutely zero signs that he is slowing down or his body is struggling. He is still playing as like he was 18 year's old. Rooney on the other hand has been showing signs of decline for three season's now and ironically you haven't noticed it. Talk about Rooney tinted glasses ;)

Sydney!

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Syd
I have not once said ronaldo is showing any signs of slowing down in fact I said he has shown and played his best football at madrid over the last few year.
I just don't see how you can guarantee what will happen over the next 5 year.
Just because you think something will happen doesn't make it fact.
Have a good day on the site I'm off to work
jred

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Syd
Don't forget it wasn't that long ago you were arguing bale was only good enough to play left back or that we would build our team around a potential world-class cleverly.
So it just goes to show it very difficult to predict what's going to happen never mind guarantee it.
We all like to predict what nay happen just most people realize there opinion isn't fact and they may be wrong ;)
Jred

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I think I may pop to the beach. Good day for ducks ;)

Sydney!

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Jred, except I never said either of those things. But whatever makes you feel better.

Sydney!

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05 Jun 2013 19:01:06
We can mock City for the amount of money they paid for Fernandinho but he is a very good player as we will all see next season. A midfield of Fernandinho and Yaya Toure is a top midfield and will be hell to play against. Navas if his head is right is a top player. City have just up graded their team a huge amount. Barry and Milner replaced by Fernandinho and Navas add that to a much much better manager in Pellegrini plus the other signings they will make and City will be a much tougher prispect next season.

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Shappy

I have to disagree about Fernandinho. He's an utterly bog-standard midfielder and isn't much better than Barry. The price they've paid for him is a joke. Add to his bog-standard nature the fact that it's a big big risk putting him in the Premier League and it's one of the most bizarre deals I've ever seen.

Navas might be alright but is a big risk. He's hardly pulled up trees for Seville when I've seen him this year.

I would have been absolutely gutted if we'd signed Fernandinho.

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You're right shappy. Fernandinho is a super player, and with yaya and silva will make an excellent midfield. Hope we're in for two major signings in midfield. We lack presence in that area.
Nomidfield

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I bet if we signed Fernandinho for £7m, people on here would be kicking off that we bought a old, cheap players from a crap league.

Sydney!

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Fernandinho, Navas and Isco. Big upgrade there peeps!

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Really? Nasri, Tevez, Dzeko leaving. Possibly Silva. Aguero perhaps will stick around for one more season. City have done nothing to worry me yet.

Sydney!

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They're both good players - but I wouldn't have spent more than £30m for the pair.

redseven

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05 Jun 2013 21:44:57
Without a shadow of a doubt they've over paid on them, but they are both up grades on what they have. Sure they will lose players, Nasri, Silva, Tevez and Dzeko look likely to leave. But then they will look to sign more top players any way. Isco looks likely, plus they will look for another striker.

But as Jred has said, they've already made a huge signing by getting a new and far superiour manager. They will be much more compact next year, while also having a more potent attack. I think they will be a handful next year, and with Chelsea getting Mourinho back and will likely get a couple of signing they too will be a tough opposition to over come.

Next season will be our toughest season in many a year, and we will underestimate the opposition at our peril. Personally I feel the title next year will probably be decided in the games between us City and Chelsea.

Its going to be a bumpy and twisty road between here and next May, let's hope we come out on top again.

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For those of you dismissing Navas you are way of the mark. One of the best wingers around and will make a monkey out of most left backs. I posted a few days ago that city will be the team to beat and there are 3 more players coming in.

Shahram

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Navas is not an improvement on Silva or an on form Nasri. Both of who have a goal threat. If Navas was so good then why is he at 27 not playing for one of the top Spanish sides? He is a good player, but he isn't an improvement on either of the other two wingers and he remains a major risk due to his panic attacks.

Sydney!

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05 Jun 2013 18:55:54


Interesting {Ed004's Note - I thought so too.}

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Me too.

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More like fascinating.

Andrew b

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Oops! There was supposed to be a link?

Is it there now Ed? {Ed004's Note - The link is filtered out G.A.G.U.S not your fault lol}

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What link was it? The one were Graham Hunter is talking about Ronaldo?

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05 Jun 2013 18:55:38
City paying £34m for a decent 28 year old CM, Ronaldo would be a bargain going by that figure. Ridiculous.

Brendan81

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05 Jun 2013 18:48:07
I cannot find this Graham Hunter interview anywhere, would someone be kind enough to link it me or tell me which website it is on?

Thanks. {Ed004's Note - Just use google shouldn't be hard to find took me 3 seconds earlier}

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The headline for the video is 'Hunter: Ronaldo will not renew his contract' should make it a bit easier to find if your having trouble.

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I can't find it anywhere either!

Coombesy!

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Well too marks to you ed for speed.

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05 Jun 2013 18:44:08
This might be a bit out of the box, but why don't we have a look at kroos from munich. His playing time is going to decrease as he will be behind gotze, muller, schweinsteiger and martinez. He is proven at all levels, and has played in a deeper role at munich sometimes, which he can do with carrick. Also he would want to play in the world cup next year and with players like gotze ozil reus schweinsteiger gundogen and the bender brothers fighting to be in the final squad in midfield, kroos might want regular playing time.

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I am a huge fan of Kroos. He would be a good signing.

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05 Jun 2013 18:37:33
Amazed by the speculation about CR7 possibly returning, all sorts of nonsense about house sales, Nike, strange legal firms, medicals etc. The reality is that Real would only consider a sale if they had already signed a replacement, such as Bale. That hasn't happened so why don't we all relax until at least July. Even then I really can't see it happening, why would he come back to a club where he's already achieved everything he possibly could? And would we pay £80m or thereabouts fora 28 year old, admittedly a fantastic 28 year old.

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There are many reasons why he might want to come back.

IMO; there is very little chance of him winning the Ballon D'or again as long as he is playing in the same league as Messi. He does not get on with the majority of his Spanish team mates at Real and will constantly be carrying his team in an endless battle with a dominant Barcelona team for club honours.

Had he stayed with us - he (and we) would have won a hell of a lot more. When it comes to football; money and trophies are a sign of how successful a player has been once he hangs up his boots. Real certainly have the money to offer him - but I'm not convinced that they're strong enough to recapture the league (especially as I expect Barca to be significantly stronger next year) and believe that they are miles behind Barcelona and Bayern in Europe.

I agree that him coming home this summer is unlikely; but I can see why he might be inclined to do so.

redseven

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05 Jun 2013 18:21:02
Why would announcements about new players have to wait until Moyes is in? Does anyone seriously think we will sign both Bale and Ronaldo? Some of the numbers being quoted as 'available to spend' are simply made up. Sheesh, it's the start of June and I might have to take a leaf out of Gav's book and take a week or two away, not sure I can stand the frenzy for the next month.

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Perhaps the club feel announcing signings beforehand would undermine the new manager in some way? Or perhaps the deals just aren't completed yet. I don't know who we will sign. I know who I would like but that is about it. All we can do is sit tight and wait. We can all dream in the meantime ;)

TK-Red

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05 Jun 2013 18:20:48
Anyone think usain bolt will make the mufc team I think he would be a decent player like a winger because of his speed your thoughts edd?

Gingernut {Ed004's Note - No}

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Unless you're 7 years old you should be ashamed of yourself. So you're honestly asking can someone who isn't a professional soccer player play for one of the best teams in the world.

Jomu

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Might be fast but for all we know he probably can't kick the ball

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Probably better than Walcott.

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I reckon he could be a Tony Daley type (from the villa in the 80's). he didn't have a clue where he was going but still nobody could catch him. he might make a decent centre half either. he is 6'5''

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Ha! usain bolt bringing the ball out from the back at a million miles an hour.

that's something I'd pay to see.

Andrew b

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05 Jun 2013 18:19:41
I know that this topic has been talked to death, but I was just thinking about Rooney's situation and as hard as I think about I'm still completely undecided as to whether I want him to go or not.
On the one hand I don't think anybody can ask for a transfer request twice and still be at the club, he is often fat, appears to have lost some of his touch, pace and gained a few pounds around the midrift etc and we could get a better player if he were to go.
On the other hand, this year when we haven't been playing well, he has often been the difference between us and them if only due to his work rate. On his day he can be one of the best players in the world, and I believe that he often brings out the best in those around him.
I know I've not mentioned all of his good or bad points but all in all I think that he should stay, unless we can guarantee that his replacement is world class.

Jaxer

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Pretty much agree with all of that

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05 Jun 2013 18:17:18
If ronaldo does come then chevrolet could play a part as they want him as they think that if he plays for man united they will get a boost in sales as a lot of the Americans love him and then they would be buying the united shirt. Have a listen to graham hunter he explain it better. Ed what do you think? {Ed004's Note - I don't think he will sign}

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05 Jun 2013 18:16:30
Eds do u think ronaldo is coming ome? {Ed004's Note - No}

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05 Jun 2013 18:14:14
With City splasing 34 mil on an untested brazilian from Ukraine, yes he has been good in the champions league but so have lots of average players. I am just thinking, when people are saying oh yeah we will get 25 mil for rooney. how on earth can we not get a lot more? I'd say we could easily make 36-37 million on him

Fagan

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Fagsn. He is not untested and he is not average. You'll be surprised by how good this guy is. Him and yaya will boss most midfields and they will certainly boss our midfield.
Nomidfield

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Nomidfield - The same guy who can not get in to the Brazil midfield?

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05 Jun 2013 18:02:12
who do you think no9 shirt is saved for this season

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05 Jun 2013 18:17:23
IMO Welbeck

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U r joking right he carnt score agoal he 4th in forward pecking order mate get reel

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06 Jun 2013 08:10:42
Who else could it be?

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05 Jun 2013 17:28:13
Just wanted to see what you guys think about Gomez from Bayern. He would be free to move on and might be a good option if Rooney moves on and we don't sign Lewi. Well built for the PL, great in front of the goal, hardly loses possession. If he wasn't injured during the start he would surely be in the Bayern first team. I find him to be better than Rooney to be honest.

DD

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05 Jun 2013 18:27:35
He's moving to Napoli to replace Cavani.

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05 Jun 2013 17:24:20
With SAF's retirement I think the club will realise that a statement of intent is needed to reaffirm the position as one of the world's top football teams.

Obviously Moyes replacing SAF isn't a stellar name but with premiership experience and the support of the board & players he has the opportunity to do well.

Consequently I feel that we may be more active in the transfer window than most anticipate, and wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Ronaldo return to replace the fear factor lost with SAF retiring. Sydney! is probably one of those best placed to comment upon the financials of the club, but with the increased revenue streams, the new kit deals and the new TV rights financally we should be able to spend a significant sum and get our targets.

Adz

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05 Jun 2013 16:43:38
I know this is highly unlikely and would only happen in dream worlds but I was thinking, if we where to get finance from nike for Ronaldo and did also sell Rooney and and the others mentioned along with our reported transfer budget would we not still have enough finance to bring in bale Aswell?

It would be a huge amount spent in one window but you could not denie we wouldn't be dominating English and European football with that plus taking reals top man and top target to replace said man

Just food for thought ;)

19JackC94

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05 Jun 2013 16:28:15
If Moyes was given a kitty of £35m plus any money generated from sales, what would people think of the following if we presume he will use a 4231 formation?

Outs - Lindegaard £4m, Evra £6m, Young £10m, Anderson £10m, Nani £15m, Rooney £30m, Macheda £2m, Bebe £1m
Total £78m

Ins - Shaw £8m, Garay £15m, Strootman £15m, Alcantara£15m, Ronaldo £60m Total £113m

Outlay after sales would therefore be £35m which is less than we have spent in recent summers.

In a 4231 I think our 1st eleven would be -
DeGea. Rafael. Garay. Vidic. Shaw. Strootman. Carrick Alcantara. Kagawa. Ronaldo.
RVP

I'd love Kagawa in the number 10 role and I think Ronaldo would prefer to be out on the left cutting in. Obviously all four up top would be able to move around continually with Ronaldo up top, Kagawa on the left, Alcantara in the number 10 and RVP on the right at times etc. Then we have Zaha, Valencia, Welbeck, Giggs, Hernandez, Henriquez to interchange in the lesser games and cups and if injuries occur. Next summer we could then get another CM as Carrick isn't getting any younger and maybe another striker depending on Keane/Henriquez.

Before people come on having a go, I know this is very very very very very very very unlikely, but, if the above happened would people be happy?

Brendan81

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And who would provide width

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Bren, that does look like a very good lineup.
But unfortunately I don't see us going for Shaw and Ronaldo, though Garay and Strootman look likely.

Alcantara would also be a good signing. But where does that leave Anderson and Clevs?

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We are playing a 4231 so wingers aren't needed, if we need to change it we have Giggs, Ronaldo, Zaha, Valencia, Welbeck who could all do that job.

And cleverley will interchange with the midfield depending on the game and The Colonel aka Anderson would leave for £10m as I said.

Brendan81

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I hope Moyes gives Anderson a chance, I'm intrigued to see how a Super fit Anderson will play. We all know he is capable of being a cracking player if he can avoid injury.

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05 Jun 2013 16:13:36
Afternoon guys,

Been awhile since I posted but have been keeping an eye on things here.

Just thought I'd throw my thoughts in regarding possible ins and outs.

I'm shocked that we are looking at another cb. I think we are covered there. Jones and Smalling need time in there favourite postions and I beleive they have the potential to come good. Evans also had a brilliant season and between them and Rio and Vidic, I can't work out why we need to move for a cb now.

I think Evra will have one more season. This is just to see if Buttner or Fabio will make the step up. Buttner is very raw and Fabio has potential and playing in a settled team will only make him better. His brother has become a top top right back and I hope that will drive Fabio on.

Midfield is the main place that we all agree needs work. If we are to play a 4-2-3-1 system that people beleive, the two holding players will be, in my opinon, Carrick and Strootman. Not much of a shock there I know but I have heard from people north of the border, that Moyes looked at Wanyama when he was at Everton and was very keen.

I beleive that Van Persie will be the lone striker and will rotate with Hernandez, depending if we need someone to play of the last defenders shoulder. Wellbeck will also play there and not on the wings.

If rooney stays, I think he will play on the outside left of the 3. Kagawa is a really intelligent footballer and deserves a chance in his natural position though the middle. Valencia will be given another season and I really hope he recaptures his form and confidence. He may be direct but when he is on form, he gives defenders nightmares and stretches defences, which will give others space to do what they do best.

Our dream signing will be Ronaldo and if Rooney goes for the reported 30mill and with Nike apparentley very keen on the idea, I can see it happening. I hope so but I'm not holding my breath. i'd say 60 mill and Nani?

So my outs and what I think they are worth are Anderson 7 mill
Nani 15 mill
Young 12 mill
Lindegard 4 mill
Possibly Rooney 25 mill.

Thats a 63 mill return possibly. I don't expect Moyes to go crazy on spending as the board won't be keen on giving a new manager that kind of money starightaway but it does depend on the Ronaldo situation. I'd expect us to have a budget of around 25 mill before sales.

This is just my opinion, apart from the Moyes scouting of Wanyama last year - but wether he thinks he could do a job at united is a different story.

I really think that next years epl will be the most exciting in years. Roll on August!

jamesmack8

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I only think Garay will come in if its part of an exchange deal for a "big player". The hairy muppet from Chelsea seems to be off to Barca. Can't see spuds appealing to Vidic. So could it be a Ronnie to United, with Vidic and money in exchange? (Seems unlikely). With Rio also only likely to be around another year, this is the only way I can see us going for Garay. Otherwise I agree, we don't need another CB.

Kuala.

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05 Jun 2013 16:03:25
�70m on Navas & Fernandinho. Why are City paying such silly fees?

Sevilla boss said they were well surprised by how much City offered.

Newspapers in January reporting fees of £7m for Fernandinho.

Flabbergasted.

Sydney!

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This sugar dadies are spoiling the game. but this early moves by big spenders are good. because later no1 can give us " no value in the market" stuff.
" right player was not available " can come though.

Rodio17

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Lol, they could of got better players for that price.

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His buy-out clause was around £42 million euros. Very good player and will be big in the premier league.

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Desperation signings.

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More money than sense?

I have to say both seem like good players and will no doubt improve City's squad BUT these are not players that make me worry that City will dominate next season. Let's hope they keep splashing silly money on this type of player and we make a few key signings that keep us up there.

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How does signing Fernandinho when you have Garcia, Barry and Rodwell to play in the same position make any sense I really don't know.

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This is a player who cannot get into the Brazilian squad. Ridiculous amount of cash if reports are accurate.

Rodio, if these signings are to go by then there isn't value in the market.

Sydney!

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Syd, Rodio;

It is difficult to find value in the market these days and it does come down to the silly spending of certain clubs, which is a shame.

It's not impossible to get good value though - Bayern showed that with Goetze who I think will more than pay off. If Lewandowski goes anywhere for less than £20-25m (which is likely due to his contract) then that is good value. Strootman if we can get him for under £18m is decent value IMO and even RvP and Kagawa were good value last season. In this day and age we have to work much harder to find the value, through better scouting, partnerships, youth set-ups etc. but we must strive to keep finding it!

Having said that, if things continue at the current rate it will be nigh on impossible to find good value within 10 years IMO. Only FFPR can help in the long-term and that seems a bit of a shambles TBH.

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Lols. sir sydney fergusion.
No value in the market

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RVP was fair value for his age and injury plagued career, but Kagawa (recently voted as number 1 target for Dortmund fans to replace Goetze) was worth £40m according to the German press if he had more than a year on his contract.
I truly believe Kagawa will kick on next year, in the way a certain David Silva did.
Fernandinho, Navas and Isco will improve city greatly. Although £34m is very pricey

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05 Jun 2013 15:45:14
I'm getting really frustrated here, so I'm gunna vent and from what I've read I think Ed004 agrees.

Anderson is a terrific player once he has confidence and is fully fit. He is not overweight, the guy is an absolute tank, just look at him when he swaps shirts.

But I will admit given he didn't show much this season, there is a case for him to be sold. HOWEVER, we are in no position to let him go. We have a distinct lack of CMs, and we cannot afford to sell one.

I think for Anderson to leave we'd need to see AT LEAST 2 more midfielders come in, even with the assumed Strootman signing.

Basically, we can't sell him. {Ed004's Note - Yeah I agree though I think he is carrying abit too much weight tbh}

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This is what I m crying for 2 seasons. let him be a squad player. we definatly need in mid field. Still people slate him by considering a stater. He is a good rotation available

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05 Jun 2013 16:42:01
I agree to a point, he is carrying abit too much weight. But he certainly isn't a Razor Ruddock yet.
My main problem with Anderson is where he plays. He isn't a central midfielder, he is and attacking midfielder.

He needs to be played in the final third of the pitch, preferably in the LAM position of a 4231. That was where he played for Porto and it was his performances in that position which encouraged us to spend as much on him as we did.

By playing him deeper he has to cover more ground which he hasn't the stamina for. This leads to him tiring and ultimately when you push your body that close to its limit injuries are very likely.

I think if he was played in his best position he would be injuried less and play better.

It was something Sir Alex liked to do quite often. Sign players then play them in different positions. Hopefully this is something Moyes does differently.

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Change the bloody record about Anderson and his fitness issues.
He's been sh*t for 6 seasons, how many more chances do you want the united fans to give this waste of space.
If we manage to get even clode to 10 million pounds which I doubt very much I will be extremely pleased.

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Agree with Jake on this one

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05 Jun 2013 17:08:11
Anderson ia s in pretty great physical shape when compared to a normal guy walking around in the street. But when you compare him to other players, or any sort of professional athlete, he is overweight. Anderson's body fat percentage stabds at around 16-17%. Most professional footballers vary between 7-8 ( Cavani, Ronaldo. ) and 12. Same goes for Rooney, who is in even worst physical shape than Anderson ( about 18 % ). that's just too much for a professional athlete, even ones with an endomorph bodytype ( stalkier than others by nature ).

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If we get another midfielder on top of Strootman we can afford to sell him, if not then we need to keep him for one more season IMO.

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Shappy

it was fergie's main foible IMO. Rafael in midfield was the pinicle of some of this idiocy, although he did ruin veron by playing him as a holding midfielder with Keane ahead of him lol.

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Apparently Ronaldo is like 5%

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I'm another Anderson sympathiser, I think he should get a shot under Moyes. I completely disagree wiv Simmo on this 1. I think he shows class when fit, but is very frustrating wiv injuries and setbacks.

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Mick how do you know that? Plus my body fat percentage is just 8%, but I am not that fit. Poor shape, does not mean poor fitness, just like good shape does mean good fitness. Plus, Rooney is actually much fitter than you think.

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05 Jun 2013 14:59:05
I like the new kit, its clean and classic. No messing around like the v kit or the gingham.

The collar adds a touch of class imo, and revokes memories of a certain frenchman.

All and all very happy with it. {Ed004's Note - Shappy on your post yesterday when you said Rooney RVP and Ronaldo would not work do you think Kagawa, RVP and Ronaldo would? Kagawa would bring in a bit more energy?}

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If I may, Kagawa, RVP and Ronaldo would work superbly. However, Rooney could also be accommodated in a 4231 with Carrick and Strootman in midfield, Ronaldo, Rooney and Kagawa ahead and RVP up top although obviously this is all dream stuff ;)

TK-Red {Ed004's Note - I thought that as well but it would only work if Rooney regained his lost form, touch and fitness. He would be expected to link up play massively something I think Alcantara may be more suited to doing as he would be able to link up with Kagawa perfectly. Would also give us the option of switching to a 4-3-1-2 formation quickly}

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05 Jun 2013 15:41:07
He would certainly add more energy and invention to the line up. I still think it needs someone to do the unseen work in the final third of the pitch. There are two ways you can balance a team. You can either have everyone in the team do their fair share of work or you can have a player who ignores his defensive and off the ball work but place a player or two in the team who will pick up the slack. If you look at Dortmund for example they play Blasakovski (spelling) to do the dirty work, Bayern get Mandzukic to do the work so that those behind him gain the benefit.

I'm not so sold on a 433 per se as I don't think we have the depth in midfield to cover that kind of formation. If your trying to fit Ronaldo into a line up then maybe a 4231 would be the better system to use. Play RvP up top with Ronaldo Kagawa and either Welbeck or Valencia who would be able to pick up the work rate that Ronaldo lacks. If you went with Welbeck that would allow much more freedom and fluidity as he can play any of the forward roles so can fill in anywhere allowing Ronaldo and Kagawa to roam and cause havok. {Ed004's Note - But Welbeck can be clumsy at time and lacks the final ball the majority of the time}

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Oh yeah, of course, Ed. Any talk of Rooney staying comes with an expectation that he needs to regain his fitness and form. If he continues to play as he has of late then I don't see a place for him in any formation and we should be looking to replace him. If we were to have a side with Carrick, Strootman, Thiago, Ronaldo, Kagawa and RVP could interchange between any number of formations.

TK-Red {Ed004's Note - Yes I was thinking that I suppose it would start of as a 4231 and if we are being out crowded in the midfield Thiago and Kagawa could drop deep and if teams are trying to push up on us we have Ronaldo's pace for over the top balls or even Hernandez}

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05 Jun 2013 17:02:31
He can be at times, but I feel this is his best position. In an ideal world we'd sign Thiago as well and play Carrick and Strootman in midfield, with Thiago, Kagawa and Ronaldo behind RvP. But could we afford Ronaldo Strootman and Thiago? It would certainly mean keeping Evra for another year.
It would also allow for Thiago to drop deeper if we were under the cosh to give us a three man midfield. That I think would be amazing. The only issue I see is I really don't believe Ronaldo will be coming back. I think he is trying to wring every penny out of Madrid for his last big contract.

Ah well, we can dream. As for Rooney I can't see much of a future for him at our club. He seems to have lost his spark and has said only today that he wants to play as a striker next season, which means well either have to play a system with two strikers or we will have to drop one of Rooney or RvP and we've seen last season who gets dropped when its a choice between those two.

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If Rooney starts next season out of shape he should be made to walk round OT at the first home game in his underpants while info about his weight and lack of fitness are displayed on the big screen.

he should then be presented with his weight watchers membership card by bobby Charlton.

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05 Jun 2013 14:10:08
Now. I know Tw*tter is a pathetic source for any information but a friend of mine pointed me to ManutdRedCafe on there as there were a couple of interesting things posted

"I can understand the frustration and impatience of many fans but I think with all the developments it will be worth the wait. "

and then

"Most things are in place. From what I've heard any announcements will have to be official after Moyes is in. Not agreements. Be on standby"

Personally, I bl**dy hate Tw*tter for rumours so i'm not advocating this as gospel but it interesting to think that most of the potential deals are sorted. There are threads suggesting that there may be no 'stellar' signings and the same poster says that some will be happy and others won't. typical of any signings I guess

I've taken this with a very large pinch of salt but would be interesting if anyone else followed them and if there was any accuracy in it

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Well we know Strootman and Garay are close. None of us really know for sure what is going on with Lewandowski. Anything that happens with Everton would be completely tight lipped. So fingers crossed that we announce a few signings in one go between now and July 1st.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - In a dream world imagine waking up to news on the 1st of July that Ronaldo and Lewandowski had signed to replace the departing Rooney and Nani though you then wake up and find it's Di Maria and an unknown}

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We do tend to keep things very close regarding transfers. Here's hoping that you're right Syd and we do announce a few in one go. Personally, I can see players being unveiled at DM's first press conference for the club - that would be some statement, first day of work and sat next to two (or more) new signings, most likely Strootman and Garay

Ed004 - if I woke up on the 1st July to that news I would have to slap myself to be sure I was awake, but even if it was Di Maria and A and other I would still be pretty pleased

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05 Jun 2013 13:42:41
New home kit launched and rooney is modeling it he must be staying

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Isn't Reina & Suarez modelling Liverpool's kit? I do not think it really matters whether Rooney is modelling the kit or not. If he goes he goes, if he stays he stays.

Sydney!

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Park ji Sung was on our website's splash screen last season.

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05 Jun 2013 13:26:54
New kit just revealed. Don't like the collar much.

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The collar is what I like the most in this kit. Overall it's one of the most beautiful kits we have ever had imo.

Nicolas_United

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Best home kit we've had for a while in my opinion

shane

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Really like it, simple and quite classic. Not that I care too much what the kit looks like TBH but I think it looks good.

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05 Jun 2013 13:24:48
Everyone who wants evra to leave is stupid he is still one of the most consistant best left backs in the world

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Consistently out of position and at fault for the other teams goals?

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Why is someone who expresses his own opinion stupid?

Nicolas_United

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Nicholas,

Because people who leave no name on this site feel they can abuse and slag off anybody they like. I think it's called trolling.

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05 Jun 2013 13:09:42
So many rumours flying around today! A lot has seemed to happen this week without anything actually concrete happening (silly season as per). But target wise, I just want to have a quick look at the ones who we seem to be targeting.

The list seems to be as follows: Ronaldo, Varela, Baines, Strootman, Thiago & Di Maria.

Obviously all of those will not be signed. Also, how much budget will we have? Usually we have around £50 million as a starting figure, however I think we can perhaps add £30 million to that given that we did not sign Moura or Hazard last summer - the money seemed to be there to get them but they went elsewhere. We then have player sales. I for one am on the fence about Rooney as my previous post two days ago explained. I do think however that he will stay and Moyes will play him in his right position. Once we have made midfield signings there is no need for him to start in a deep midfield role. I think he was played there given our lack of options this season. So let's assume that Rooney stays. Other departures. Well Nani is gone I think, that will be £20 million to Monaco, Evra also to Monaco for up to £8 million, Lindegaard or Amos will leave fetching a couple of million. They are the definite departures as far as I am concerned. We then come to the 'maybe' players who are expendable. Firstly, we can afford to let either Valencia or Young leave - personally I would keep Young and get rid of Valencia. This may be what Moyes decides to do given that Young is far more versatile than Valencia.
You cannot be sure either how Valencia will react if Ronaldo takes his shirt. Anderson I think WILL stay for at least 6 months.

So departure wise we could be looking at Nani - £20 million, Evra £8 million, Lindegaard £4 million, Valencia upto £20 million. That could add another £50 million to the transfer kitty which would give us around £130 million to spend on new players.

Arrival wise, as the ed says, Garay & Strootman are nearing completion. The Strootman fee today has been quoted as little as £10 million, whilst Garay is closer to £17 million. That's £27 million gone. I would pay up to £15 million for Baines which would leave us around £100 million left to spend. I am not convinced that Thiago will come in to be honest, I just get the impression that Moyes will give Anderson a chance to prove himself. Also if Garay is signing then Jones moves to midfield for a season. So that would be Jones, Carrick, Strootman, Cleverly, Anderson & Giggs as options. Realistically it could be Thiago instead of Anderson but I don't think that is likely. The big question now is, would people be happy with a deal for Ronaldo of £50-65 million plus Vidic? That is what it is likely to take for Madrid to part with him.

So could we possibly see:

INS: Ronaldo, Baines, Strootman, Garay, Varela.

OUT: Vidic, Nani, Valencia, Lindegaard/Amos, Evra, Macheda (etc. )

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Can you be my accountant?

Your numbers are staggering. I love it when 130- (10+17+15)=100. And the way you arrived at the figure of £130mil to spend on players, incredible. Not to mention making £52mil off Nani, Valencia, Evra and Lindegaard.

I think you've been far too ambitious with all your numbers. For me, net spend of £50mil sounds realistic (if not already too high). And of course I will be delighted if that figure rises dramatically due to the purchase of one Cristiano Ronaldo.

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There is no way we would have 130 million to spend, what planet are you on?

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I'm sure our annual transfer budget is listed at £25m - but would not be surprised to see Moyes given a little extra to put his mark on the team. That said some of this summer's budget was spent on Zaha in January.

My guess is that Moyes will have about £40m to spend and that this will be bolstered by another £27m - £34m through player sales (Nani at around £15m, Ando at around £12m and potentially Evra for about £7m). Let's say at best he has an even £75m.

Strootman, Garay and Baines (who will be essential if Evra does go) will eat up around £45m of the budget leaving us with £30m to spend (a little less that the £100m you have at this same point).

If there is some possibility of us doing a deal for Ronaldo at say - £40m + Chicorito then I am sure an extra £10m could be found. If, as you seem to think would be the case, we'd need to spend £65m + a player - then the only way I see Ronaldo coming home is if he and Strootman are our only signings.

redseven {Ed004's Note - Bare in mind there is the possibility Rooney will be sold and he will bring in a significant amount and if Anderson leaves I reckon we would need 2 new midfielders}

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Fresh! We won't be spending £130m this summer IMO and the way you got to that figure is not how our club is run, I'm pretty sure of that.

We will look at what players we need/want then see if the money's there to pull the deals off. There may be a rough budget in the background but we wouldn't just 'add the £30m form Moura/Hazard' (that's if those rumours were even true) I doubt it works like that.

redseven - I think it was said in a presentation for the flotation that they foresee our average NET spend as around £25m per season. I think it will be higher some seasons, especially now with the new TV deal but I'm with you, I don't think we'll be spending £50m NET every season, let alone well above that figure.

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05 Jun 2013 13:02:50
Just looking back at our old Kits and the best kits we have ever had IMO is the 07/08 kit, especially the black away kit. {Ed004's Note - I agree completely with that though I liked our white one this year}

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The white away kit this year was the best away kit we have had in years. The new home kit I actually really like. I prefer the collared kits you can actually get air in instead of it wrapping around your neck plus it looks classier.

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05 Jun 2013 12:47:11
Angelo Henriquez enhanced his growing reputation after netting a hat-trick of headers on international duty last night.

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Maybe Wigan should have played him more eh?

Brendan81

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05 Jun 2013 12:38:43
I really like the new home kit. Plain, clean and simple. 8/10 from me!

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05 Jun 2013 12:20:44
Anyone else seen Mourinho taking a cheap shot at Ronaldo saying "he thinks he knows it all" and that they had fallen out towards the end of the season? So I think we can take Chelsea of the list of possible destinations IF Ronaldo doesn't sign a new contract. I think it's simple if he signs a new contract he stays if he doesn't he leaves and United being his most likely place he will end up.

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05 Jun 2013 12:08:34
How can people want bale over Ronaldo seriously? Bales a very good player but if messi wasn't around Ronaldo would have won 5 ballon d'ors. He and messi are on another level with the likes of gerd muller, Diego maradona, George best and pele. We would be very privileged to get Ronaldo back and should do everything possible to make it happen.

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People have different opinions that's what makes this site so good.

You ask 'why' people would choose Bale, well as devil's advocate some reasons might be:

1) age - he's around 5/6 years younger which is an age in footballing terms and means he'd have (prospectively) a longer impact on our team;

2) wages - whatever the relative transfer fees Ronaldo's wage demands would no doubt massively outweigh Bale's, taking up more of our budget/overall wage bill;

3) sell on value - at the end of a 4/5 year contract Ronaldo would be old with little sell on value whilst Bale would be at his peak with lots of s. o. v. Whilst some supporter's might not care about this which is fair enough, football is a business these days and with such a massive outlay the prospect of getting some of that back is a big factor. It would affect our future budget.

Obviously Ronaldo is the better player but there are pros and cons to each side of the debate.

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05 Jun 2013 11:16:32
It's only the 5th June and all these ITK accounts on Tw*tter are already p*ssing me off. This could be a long Summer.

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05 Jun 2013 14:28:48
Don't go on twitter, that'll solve your woes!

I had to quit this site for a week or 2 because of the 'negative ninny's' dragging me down - but I couldn't stay away lol.

HB

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05 Jun 2013 10:16:28
Rumours today that evra is joining monaco this summer and Moues will bring in Baines. what's your thoughts ed? {Ed004's Note - Hope it happens}

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I'd rather take Luke Shaw over Baines if its possible

IHaveNoName!

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Hope it happens. I've lost count of the number of times we have given away cheap goals due to Evra.

REDFAITH

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If evra went for 8m and we bought baines for 12m it's basically paying 4m for baines which is a great deal, also knock a few thousand pounds off the wage budget as I'm guessing evras on a fair bit.

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I believe Evra has been a mainstay for 2 reasons in these past seasons.
First a lack of alternatives, but more important because he seems to be a big influence in the dressing room.

I believe it might be good for him to stay for this reason. Moyes is ripping everything up already as it is, and one of our major strengths has always been team spirit.
I can see that suffering with the changes done already!

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And Baines will come in for less wages than Evra? Doubt it. Evra has been very good last season, he had one bad season and everyone wants him out.
Shall we get rid of Valencia as well in that case?

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Vera did talk a good game precisely why SAF installed him as vice captain but his voice shut up on the park and his positional play was terrible. He won a few fans over with some goals this year but those were like his first few for 5 years!

Anyway I think he is defo gone as moyes targeted our FB all the time as the weakness. Rafa with pienaar and baines and Evra with tony hibbert!

Says it all really haha

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Noname - I personally believe Evra to be on something close to £90k p/w whilst I think we could get Baines for £75k p/w or even less maybe. So in answer to your Q - YES he would come in for less wages than Evra IMO, if signed.

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05 Jun 2013 09:45:34
Has anyone seems liverpools away kit?
As if their team wasn't embarrasing enough.

TRUMORS

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Its a xmas jumper my nanny knitted

ms85

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It is magnificent, saw it this morning haven't stopped laughing since.

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05 Jun 2013 12:52:28
It looks like what happened when they left the work experience kid in charge

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05 Jun 2013 09:36:02
What do people make of the 'leaked' home and away united strips for the 2013/14 season?

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Well if those leaked images are true, the home 1 is reaLly plain but its not that bad and the away 1 looks hideous. Seems like Nike are running out of ideas. I'm disappointed! Nike seem like they don't care how it looks because all United fans would still go buy it no matter how it looks.

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05 Jun 2013 08:55:02
Edds. When do you think we will confirm the signings of Strootman and Garay? (I am under the infulence that these are done deals) thanks {Ed004's Note - They are not done deals yet and I do not know}

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05 Jun 2013 08:38:53
Very unlikely but please imagine this, strootman and garay are both looking highly likely now so imagine If we sign them two along with a marquee signing of Ronaldo with vidic other way. We could then deploy the 4-3-3 we had a few years ago with Rvp instead tevez and play Rooney Rvp and Ronnie.

This has the potential for 60+ goals from them 3 alone, however if Rooney was not to regain form in Pre season and was sold I would like to see Lamela brought in despite his ownership issues

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05 Jun 2013 10:51:54
I don't think it would work as well as it did before. First off Rooney's loss of pace would limit his impact playing slightlg wider. Then although RvP has better vision and finishing ability he doesn't have the never say die attitude or work rate of Tevez which was key to it working. That system worked so well because of the work rate and attitude of Tevez and Rooney made up for the lack of work Ronaldo did. But with how Rooney is now and RvP I just don't see there being anough of the dirty work being done for the flair work to be given a chance. Plus with just Garay Strootman and Ronaldo coming in to play in a 433 system, you have a front three of Rooney, Ronaldo and RvP but who would be your midfield three? Carrick and Strootman obviously but then who else? Anderson? Cleverley? Maybe Jones? With just Strootman coming in for midfield then we would have limited options for midfield especially if your going to try and play a midfield three. {Ed004's Note - I would sell Rooney and buy in another winger with the money he is sold for and play Kagawa! in the midfield 3 Shappy.}

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05 Jun 2013 12:21:20
Kagawa in the midfield three is a possiblity, but he is better used higher up the pitch.

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05 Jun 2013 13:42:56
Sanchez Ed? Seems to be the best of what's available. If he's available. {Ed004's Note - I'd like Lamela as well but he is complicated to say the least}

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I agree with what you say shappy but I think the midfield 3 would be strootman and carrick whilst having kagawa playing a more attacking role slightly in front of them.

As for Rooney I am hoping that moyes will have him on a new diet and training to regain what he's lost or at least some of it plus I think he will be coming back trying to prove to us supports that we should love him again. If not sell and get Lamela ;)

Rvp I agree does not have that same work rate but let's not forget his age and remember we have Chica and welbeck on the bench whom may not be no where near as good as Rvp but both poses the work rate required

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05 Jun 2013 08:29:50
In the highly unlikely situation we do get Ronaldo for 65m + a player would we still be able to afford the rest of our targets ie Strootman and/or Thiago.

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It depends if we sell Nani Rooney Anderson will should make up £45/50m. Thiago release clause is 18m Euros and Strootman is price at 17m Euros. I do believe it could happen

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Bale instead of Ronaldo. ?!
Seriously?

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05 Jun 2013 11:00:31
If we sell Rooney, Nani, Anderson, Fabio, Evra and Lindegaard then that could raise 65-70m. Then sign Ronaldo for 65m, Strootman and Thiago for 15m each with maybe Baines or another LB for 5-12m and the out lay would only be 30-40m. More than plausable. But in saying that I doubt very much that we will sign Ronaldo. He seems like a pipe dream.

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05 Jun 2013 08:24:00
Personally, I would prefer Bale instead of Ronaldo purely because of age and Real Madrid want too much for ronaldo! what does everybody think?

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Tottenham and levy will bargain to the last penny

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Bale is a world class player

Ronaldo is from another planet.

If there is the slightest chance we could bring ronaldo back - I hope united jump at the chance.

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Have a word my son

Ross

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We wouldn't pay any more for Ronaldo than Bale, do people not remember how Levy does business? Bale will never be as good as Ronaldo either so has to be Ronaldo all the way for me.

Brendan81

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You don't think Spurs want a lot for Bale.
DHK

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I'd go for Bale too but both are pipe dreams IMO. Hope they both end up at Madrid if we can't have them!

HB

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Think most of you are forgetting what the player wants! And that's to stay at spurs at least one more season THEN go abroad, united are NOT on his agenda

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Brendan81

How can you even say Bale will never be as good as Ronaldo?
Who knows what will happen in Bales career, he's still only 23 and is only going to get better.
I think Bale is absolutely perfect for us on the left or right just drifting inside. If he came to united believe me within 1-2 years he would be on another planet.
Ronaldo is nearly 29, no way should be be even thinking or forking out 80 million pounds for a 28 (nearly 29 year old player). It's absolutely crazy money no matter who they are.
I think Ronaldo is absolute pure class and I would love him back but for 80 million pounds. No chance, it's to much money for somebody that age.

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Simmo in my eyes Bale has 2 main attributes, pace and a good shot. Now we all know that pace deteriorates as players move into their late 20's, when it does I honestly don't think he will be half the player he is now. Look how it has affected Rooney's game.

Ronaldo is quick too but he has a better shot than bale, he is a much more skilful player, better in the air, better deadball delivery and all round he is on another planet to Bale. I like Bale a lot right now but he will never be a Ronaldo and definitely not at the prices quoted.

Saying that, I wouldn't pay £80m for Ronaldo now either. Around £55m would be my max or wait a year and it will be around £40m.

Brendan81

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Simmo, it's easy, Bale will NEVER be as good as Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a couple levels above. Ronaldo at 23 was a level above.

Sydney!

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Bendan

He will never be a Ronaldo because he isn't tha same player as Ronaldo.
whjy are you obsessed with comparing everyone against Ronaldo, thare is only one Ronaldo like there is Messi, Bale, Roonety etc.
However I do agree with you on the transfer fee.

Simmo

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"Think most of you are forgetting what the player wants! And that's to stay at spurs at least one more season THEN go abroad, united are NOT on his agenda"

Noname,
1 - things change in football on a weekly basis, let alone from one season to the next
2 - players and managers have been known to lie from time to time (in fact regularly)

I doubt Bale will ever end up at OT but to think you know how his career will pan out is ridiculous due to the 2 points above.

HB

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Sydney

Get a grip for god sake and take your silly red blinkers off.
You can't determine how good a player is going to be, it's just plain stupid!
How do you know what Bale is going to be like in 3 years time?
He might be better than Ronaldo in 3 years time or he may not improve one bit but one thing is certain you just can't predict these things.
Just like last season when you predicted that we would DEFINATELY BUY A CENTRAL MIDFIELDER! Guess what we never did.

Simmo

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Simmo, we bought Kagawa and Powell last summer. Both central midfielders.

I think you have been reading too many newspapers where they keep reporting RM will bid £85m for Bale.

Bale is nowhere near as good as Ronaldo was at 23.

Sydney!

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Simmo the question was who would you prefer out if the 2? Therefore to answer that question you have to compare them don't you or how could you possibly make a decision??

Brendan81

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05 Jun 2013 07:35:35
What about Remy cabella and youness belhanda two young players talented affordable as replacements for young and andersson cjwales82

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Syd
It's very difficult to say how much a player will improve.
It wasn't that long ago you were arguing bale was only good enough to play left back
Jred

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05 Jun 2013 07:13:16
Ports I hope nobody tells you that Santa isn't real. Your child like innocence is great

I AM KLOOT
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Woah, what? He isn't, he isn't real?

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Cheers Kloot! You've ruined my christmas! ):

-JakeW

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KLOOT, what do you mean I'm not real?

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Funny guys! HaHa

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KLOOT you'll be saying i'm not real next!

Easter Bunny

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KLOOT just holds a grudge from waking up every Dec 25th to a lump of coal!

HB

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05 Jun 2013 11:07:54
KLOOT,

I'm coming for you, can't believe what you've done to these innocent souls.

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