Manchester United Banter Archive May 05 2019

 

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05 May 2019 22:24:41
Where do we go from here?

First and foremost we must stick with the manager, at least for the next three transfer windows to allow someone the chance to build a team. At the moment we have so many players liked by so many different managers it's impossible to form anything coherent.

The squad needs ripping apart. Ed002 mentioned five new players in the summer, I think that's a good start and a step in the right direction. A centre back, right back, defensive midfielder, attacking midfielder and right winger are clearly needed. That's phase one.

Phase two would be a rotation option at left back and a striker. Maybe even a keeper if Dave moves on.

Who would I like to see leave in the summer? Ideally, everyone. Realistically - Young, Valencia Smalling, Darmian, Jones, Rojo, Sanchez, Mata, Pogba and Lukaku. Yes, Pogba. His mind is elsewhere, his attitude embodies the team and he thinks he's far better than he actually is. I don't buy this 'he's better with better players around him' nonsense. He's sloppy, arrogant and slows the positionally undisciplined.

Ten out in the summer. Five in.

My preferences would be Wan-Bissaka, Koulibaly, Rodri, Bruno Fernandes and Sancho. However, realistically I think we will see Meunier/ Trippier, Milenkovic, Rice, Bruno Fernandes and Douglas Costa. I also think we desperately need a number 9. Icardi would be a car crash, I'd love Lewandowski or Cavani if the transfer fee was reasonable. If not Jovic, Andre Silva or Piatek.

Phase two clear out would see Matic, Fred (unless he improves second season) and Martial (attitude) .

Maybe Ed002 could comment on developments with Bruno Fernandes. Please could you let us know if he is indeed City bound? His numbers this season are phenomenal.

Would love to know your thoughts guys and if you heard anything about a new number 9?

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{Ed002's Note - Manchester City remain very keen on BF Fresh.}

05 May 2019 22:40:01
It would be nothing short of a disaster if we allowed them to sign both Fernandes and Felix, one of whom I imagine replaces David Silva.

We are so find behind and that would compound the problem. Don’t see many other attacking midfield options who we could reasonable take.

Queue a ridiculous bid for Isco or Kroos no doubt.

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{Ed025's Note - i think its time to concentrate on utd rather than what the noisy neighbors are doing fresh mate..

05 May 2019 22:42:20
Also presuming the serious Madrid interest in Pogba is being reported correctly? I can’t see him being here for many more weeks - not that I care particularly.

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05 May 2019 23:02:02
Where do we go from here?

I say we follow city and liverpools recruitment policy where you get one good player with ability and then a second, third fourth etc.

Our recruitment has been poor and we are feeling the effect of short term recruitment over long term planning.

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{Ed025's Note - very much so DSG, there just does not seem to be a definitive plan in recruitment or playing style mate..

05 May 2019 23:05:15
Agreed 25, very difficult to watch though. A well run world class club versus a mismanaged rubbish show.

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{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that mate..

05 May 2019 23:06:21
Thats exactly my point . The last two tim3s we tried taking players under their noses (Fred, Sanchez) look what happened to us.

We need to hoover our house first before worrying about their green lawn.

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06 May 2019 03:51:41
Singh not only those 2 look at what happened with jorginho, I would really steer clear of signing any city targets. Pep clearly knows his voodoo.

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06 May 2019 10:05:35
We need to go back to basics. Young premier league proven preferably British players augmented with giving the academy a chance and topped off with a couple of top class signings from abroad.

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06 May 2019 10:06:08
Very true CSM but they might just get one right at the end!

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05 May 2019 21:49:15
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Newcastle United v Liverpool - A Liverpool Perspective

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05 May 2019 21:04:16
Can somebody please tell me how any manager (Ole, anybody) can be judged so harshly given the resources he has to hand in such a short timescale.

It's quite staggering that with the worst squad, easily for 30 years, that some on here are suggesting Ole should be sacked when:

1. He hasn't had a single transfer window to be judged by.

2. He is managing the laziest squad in the PL, which is also arguably also the unfittest.

3. He has had to try numerous formations to accommodate the issues in 2.

4. He is arguably now playing regulars to demonstrate how inadequate they are.

Ole has done nothing wrong. yet. I'm not suggesting he's the messiah, however the rash conclusions being spouted on here are unfair and illogical. On the one hand the squad is not fit for purpose however on the other Ole should be achieving more! How? Seriously. Just how!?!

The players are getting a free ride. The same players that downed tools on Jose have done exactly the same since Ole was appointed permanent. The evidence, results and quality of performances, is beyond any doubt. So the question is why? My belief is many do not want Ole because they fear what he represents. That being the end for many of them.

For the love of God give the guy a break. He's being managed by the worst football 'CEO' in the history of United whilst also having to manage one of the worst squads I've seen in my 45 years as a United supporter. He is literally surrounded by s***!

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05 May 2019 21:09:10
Good post.

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05 May 2019 21:29:54
Personally I think they should sack solskjaer and then replace him with interim manager ole gunnar solskjaer.

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05 May 2019 22:33:03
Good post, BRD. Even better one, GB :)

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05 May 2019 23:08:49
The players aren't getting a free ride, most on here want the club to sell half the squad lol. The only players getting a free ride are the “home grown” players in the media. Players like young, smalling, jones, shaw, lingard and rashford never get digged out by the likes of neville, scholes and rio. Quite convenient that.

The fans should be questioning whether a managers whos previous managerial experience is at molde and cardiff is ready to do this huge job.

We need to recruit efficiently and effectively, a style of play needs to be introduced and youth players need to be integrated into the first team squad.

What from oles previous experience suggests he can do that?

Just saying “we are man yanited” and being a club legend has a very short shelf life.

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06 May 2019 04:34:38
Ok so let me understand this right. The same squad that finished second and were in the FA cup final last year and were apparently being mismanaged and held back byJose Mourinho and under achieving? They are now so bad just because Ole is incharge? The poor performances were used as a reason to sack the manager so why not now? isn't it the manager's role to motivate these players and get the best out of them anymore? We just keep shifting the goal posts to argue our narrative.

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06 May 2019 10:14:16
The likes of Young, Jones etc actually look like their bothered in fames compared to some. We all know they're not good enough. Just because Scholes and Neville haven't criticized them doesn't mean others haven't. There's been plenty of pundits and journos on twitter saying how are they still at United.

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06 May 2019 10:23:00
UA no one is going to sack a manager 2 months after being appointed. It would be a farce.

You mention last season coming second and the cup final. Good achievement. And yes Jose mismanaged them and held them back. Towards the end of the season you could see the effort starting to go down. Then Jose nuked the squad in the summer with his transfer tantrum, said they were all crap. Look at the performances from the start of the season to Christmas. No effort.

Ole came in and got the new manager bounce. I think some of them thought " great he's gone, temporary boss, best put some effort in and look good for the next sap who comes in. " I think they underestimated Ole, thought he's a nice guy not a tyrant like the last one, thought they could play him. So they responded to the atm around the shoulder. When it looked like he might actually get the job and made noises about moving them on they reverted to type. Now they've gone back and suckered people into calling for another sacking.

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05 May 2019 20:27:44
Martial, Rashford, Shaw, Smalling, Jones, Lindelof, Dalot, Mctominay, and Pogba all joined us as young players. Are they, as a unit, going to carry us to glory? This idea that we can simply rely on going back to promoting youth is a complete fantasy. It's going to require so much more than that. The whole philosophy of the club needs an update. People suggest we need to return to our roots by acquiring young British and Northern European players. Poppycock. That was then, this is now. In the top clubs in England where the competition is most fierce it's questionable whether it can be done. The top English teams are not relying on youth talent to win them anything. If one or two players emerge every few years that's as much as they expect.

It is now 6 years since SAF retired. The cracks and the gulf in class between us and Barcelona were obvious before he departed. We have made zero progress towards fixing it. Zero. In fact we've gone backwards. It has absolutely nothing to do with the toxic fans who still pack OT every week and who make the treks to the away games.

Every team goes through cycles, institutions are reluctant to change a winning formula even when it's not winning any more. My main culprit for the malaise at United is Woodward. He'd be my first on the list of people out the door. There are surely others who could handle the marketing and business aspects of the club. As for the players, their shortcomings have been done to death, although I do believe some of them have been exacerbated by the lack of management ability on and off the pitch.

I've been a United fan for over 55 years and I'll die one whether we get back into the mix or not. I wish Ole luck. He's got an enormous task at a club where expectations are always extremely high. He starts out without any of the structural issues addressed. The players in the squad are ill-suited to competing with the likes of City and Liverpool who actually play as a team, and whose squads are blessed with skillful players who run far more than United do.

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05 May 2019 23:13:55
Top post Shawthing. Not sure who disagreed with you?
I too have been saying that unless the club structure and hierarchy is changed, then no manager will succeed.
We are in a worse mess than when we got relegated in the 70s.
And for what's it's worth, OGS is not the man to move us forward.

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05 May 2019 19:21:09
The last game against Cardiff I would like to see abit of youth in the team give them a run out carnt do any worse than what we seen today and got nothing to lose now at all. I'm not saying all youth but a good mixture.

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05 May 2019 19:50:14
Hope most of them are dropped.

Get Garner, Chong, Gomes and Greenwood all in. Take Rashford out the firing line for now, play Herrera and McTominay.

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05 May 2019 20:09:00
Embrace the fact that Rashford is mediocre, we need a proper number 9 who will score goals consistently. I would like to keep the youth away from the first team action and not put any kind of unnecessary pressure or expectation on such young shoulders.

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05 May 2019 16:24:17
EDs Ole seems to be suggesting that an announcement will be made by the club on the Technical Director soon, have you heard anything, will woody be making another mistake?

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained the options before, and yet again the fans are blaming someone without any knowledge of the structure of the club.}

05 May 2019 19:44:24
Its on the rumours page, just search for wan bissaka or milenkovic.

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06 May 2019 20:39:40
Thanks Ed, I’m presuming you’re alluding to us blaming Woodward when maybe he’s just the public face of the board and there are other structures going on that we are not aware of, such as scouting, coaching, psychology, youth development etc.

Perhaps the need for someone who can oversee everything and pull it all together into a cohesive and progressive unit has never been more needed.

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05 May 2019 13:24:04
Hi all,
Thanks to the Eds as always.
Any chance of a Summer transfer (s) overview, Ed? Would be greatly appreciated. A lot of names being mentioned, would be nice to have a clear idea of what exactly is/ isn't possible in terms of ins and outs.

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{Ed002's Note - I have previously done this.}

05 May 2019 13:25:23
Ed004, would love to know your thoughts on transfers this summer.

Who do you think we will bring in.

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{Ed004's Note - Dont think todays the right time to comment on this. We need a rb, cb, cdm, cm and rw as priority. Then if Pogba goes a replacement for him and I dont think Lukaku is good enough either. Theres about 20 players I wouldnt be fussed to see leave}

05 May 2019 17:55:54
On the basis of today we probably need a left back today as well.

Shaw struggles in his defensive work, can't cross and hardly ever overlaps the winger.

Good passing ability though.

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{Ed004's Note - Even the players I have as first choice next season you can question whether any of them are world class or not}

05 May 2019 18:10:05
I hope that we are structured in our recruitment and there is some cohesion. If that's olly and Woodward or new DOF just have a plan for the next 2 seasons with this summer as part 1.
We the need to be patient as fans of there is a solid plan.
I agree on the positionsEd sets out. But it could be any of departures happen.

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{Ed002's Note - That is not how it works.}

05 May 2019 18:15:03
Good post that Ed and finally people can see Lukaku isn't the forward that qill win you titles. I am also having doubts over Rashford and his attitude lately.

Its like some of them are too big for their boots and they need a strong personality to sort their heads out.

If we are going to consider a quick fix then i would go for Cavani for a year or two until some of our young strikers can work on their finishing.

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{Ed004's Note - But we have went down the route of signing older players on high wages and it hasnt worked out. Ive no idea where we go from here. We have no leaders in the dressing room and we are being ran shockingly by Woodward}

05 May 2019 19:42:21
I agree we have no leaders ed004 and I'd love to see us sign some but I don't see too many viable options. Who would you suggest would be good options. I'd like a commanding CB that organises the defence and a midfield general that has the effect of a catalyst, improving those around him by his presence and example.

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{Ed004's Note - The rumours about who the club are targetting is encouraging such as the likes of Wan Bissaka, Milenkovic, Fernandes etc. But Ive no faith in Woodward competing them deals tbh. Tbh I would be happy with a rebuilding season next year. Play the likes of Dalot, Tuanzebe, Garner, Greenwood, Rashford etc along with a few new young signings and look to build for the future. Hopefully secure a potential star in either Sancho or Felix}

05 May 2019 20:00:44
Now we are in the europa league and we have ole as manager there is no reason the youngsters should get a good run.

If you can establish 2 or 3 of them as first team squad players and one of them as a first team regular. It makes recruitment a lot easier.

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05 May 2019 20:10:05
Yeah I'd like those 4 in the squad next season and for them to get game time in cups/ against weaker opponents in the prem if they are playing + training well. BUT Rashford aside we haven't successfully brought too many through the academy to be first team regulars or seen much improvement in players we have bought in. It begs the question is there a problem with our coaching? If there is that needs addressing otherwise it doesn't matter who we sign or promote.

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05 May 2019 15:55:30
GDS2 I implore you to show me the positives. You wanted me to post positivities. Tell me what. Tell me what Ole has done for me to be convinced that he is the man for the job. That was a relegated team, 20th position.

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05 May 2019 15:59:36
That was dross if Jose was ere we would be calling for his head.

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{Ed025's Note - your dead right eric..

05 May 2019 16:03:36
I’m with you, I see no positives. I wouldn’t let OGS rebuild but the club probably will and like it or not the world class players will want Champions League, we will be looking at second rate players, or mercenaries being offloaded by the clubs that are rebuilding.

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05 May 2019 16:07:31
they already are eric, he is going to be on a hiding to nothing next season. If we don't start well he will be gone by next December just like Mourinho. The bigger problem though is who gets rid of the moron who appointed him.

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05 May 2019 16:07:39
I am calling for his head, but I hope it is sold as Ole realising he is totally out of his depth.

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05 May 2019 16:13:27
Yes because these players aren’t to blame it’s the manager. Give it a rest, this is a pathetic bunch of cowards not Manchester United players.

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05 May 2019 16:18:24
How on earth are players like jones still at the club, Sanchez even starting, why do we let rashford still take free kicks, he seems to think he is Ronaldo, stop him please, and I think his attitude has been poor lately, .
If we let Phelan become Technical Director it won’t get fixed, far too many mediocre players at the club.

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05 May 2019 16:18:57
Just watch all the media experts who championed Ole for the job now change their tune and question the logic in appointing him. Redknapps the first to abandon ship. Experts my arse. Lovely man but this is the toughest job in world football at the minute. Don't think it will end well for him but who's the man to change things?

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{Ed025's Note - thats the $64000 question porche..

05 May 2019 16:27:16
Porsche like it or not we had the man for the job till 6 months ago but we backed these players against the manager.

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05 May 2019 16:47:01
Red man, I thought you said we can't keep bowing to the players and we need to get behind the manager?

Two-faced much?

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05 May 2019 16:48:36
Yes because its all his fault that certain players make no effort.

The positive is that with each game maybe just how crap these players are sinks in with Woodward and he realises the scale of the mess he's made.

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05 May 2019 17:00:46
Players are absolutely wqck and thr manager is out of hid depth. It dorsnt matter if he is a legend or not, this is Manchester United and he shouldn't have been appointed on emotions but i still believe he should get the backing just to get rid of the players which are not good enough and then we consider changing him next year.

It doesn't matter what manager comes, we will not win anything with the players we have at our disposal.

Id get rid of the whole team apart from Mata, De Gea and that is how bad the first team is.

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05 May 2019 17:02:55
AAA, well done for prediciting that we won't win today, i actuqlly thought we would won by a few but i guess this is a new low in a must wn we end up drawing against the team that has won only 3 games.

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05 May 2019 17:09:23
Shappy

The right manager definitely, I never called for Mourinho to go because he had demonstrated in prior roles, he knew what it took to sort it out but OGS has no pedigree whatsoever to give us any confidence he can sort this out. This isn’t just a few players not playing, this is having no obvious method, framework or structure in what we are trying to do on the pitch, not managing during the games and that is the managers responsibility. OGS has tried all different methods according to Neville but is that the work of a tactician or just someone who doesn’t know what is needed at that level, learning on the job. It isn’t good enough to just trust in someone, we need experienced hands who the players, those who are still here next season, trust and know will get it right because they have done it before. We failed to do any process, just appointed him after a few games, didn’t seem to consider anyone else and now we are paying for that decision. We wouldn’t appoint him now, we judged him on a few results and we need to realise the potential damage that is going to be done if he stays.

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05 May 2019 17:18:37
RedMan there wasn't anyone else. The only other contender Woodward had in mind turned the job down. Says it all really.

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05 May 2019 17:27:31
I can't deny I'd take poch now in a heartbeat. But I don't want ole to be sacked, I want him to quit and say he isn't up to the job.

This last few weeks has been so frustrating. We've had so many chances to claim top 4, more than I ever thought we'd get, and we were too pathetic to take it. Change needs to happen, and a lot of it. I don't see how we get top 4 next season. Best bet is europa league win which gives us champions league football the following year. That's huge pressure next season. I don't see the club in its current form succeeding and honestly don't know if this can even be turned around.

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05 May 2019 17:29:26
Red Man, I must have missed it, but as your such a Jose expert could you point out when Mourinho has been a success during his third season at a club?

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05 May 2019 17:32:54
No one would be a success with this team. Jose wanted to get rid of the rotten tomatoes but he didn't get a chance and toxics got thier way again.

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05 May 2019 17:40:25
We took a chance taking ole on a full time basis. He should have got the job if he achieved anything which he hasn’t. Now the most important thing is to get the players out that need to go. Also identify the correct players that aren't just a quick fix. Its going to be difficult and there will be lots more days like today. Its infuriating watching the last few weeks but its were we are. We don’t deserve to be at the top we need to fight our way back. Ole needs to get a system in place that the players buy into. a lot of work to be done but we are united n we need to believe.

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05 May 2019 17:42:39
I understand your annoyance and frustration redman. I also understand your point of view.
For me its just not fair to judge him in these players.
He has been tinkering with formations doing and trying all sorts in order to keep us competitive.
The players and squad he took over cannot play the way he wants then too. In fact just as jose told us they can't play any way . They are extremly poor players in the main. Technically tactically and physically. And mentally to that list also. Add morally to that list also. A poison running through the squad. The worst squad we've seen for 30 years.
Ole has no experience of a job of this magnitude he should not have been appointed until his trial was over.
But he has been.
Can he fix it? only time will tell but i think he should be given the opportunity to implement his ideas with players that he has coached pre season.
I ve been saying for 3 years that inheriting this squad was worse than the squad fergie got in 86.
Its rotten with big time charlies living the celebrity life thinking they are better than they are, when in fact they aren't even half as good as they think they are.
I'm gong to back ole until he rids himself of some of these players.

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05 May 2019 17:46:04
Shappy

This isn’t about Jose, this is about who should be manager of our club now.

Mort, I seriously do not buy for one minute that there was no one else for the job. That was the same old argument used for Moyes appointment. Are some saying unemployed Antonio Conte would not want the role? He would have been better than the ex manager of Molde and Cardiff. He has less on his cv than Moyes.

The defence of a legend is admirable but he just is not the right man for such a job, he is out of his depth. I hope he walks away, sacking blemishes him but walk away now to let us rebuild from the top down.

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05 May 2019 17:53:44
Ken

I agree on the players.

There is nothing to base supporting Ole on, we have no idea if he can turn this around. He hasn’t demonstrated tactical acumen nor leadership, nor has he extracted himself from SAF’s shadow. Do we just blindly carry on with our fingers crossed? Or be decisive now and get a manager who we have seen a piece of work showing they know what they are doing?

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05 May 2019 18:13:43
I agree Redman, what sort of choice was he? It was all about sentiment.

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05 May 2019 18:15:27
We don't do anything redman. Ww support imo. The decision has been made. Imo his job really only starts at 6pm next Sunday. From then on ill be happy with steady and consistent improvement in many aspects.

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05 May 2019 18:19:51
Hes the wrong man shappy, full stop.

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05 May 2019 18:20:53
Red man, but for you the only thing you need to succeed is a good CV. That's probably why you're putting Conte forward as an option.

But Jose had the CV, as did LvG. It didn't help them be a success.

So clearly a good CV doesn't guarantee a success.

I, like you see the problems at our club being a lot higher up than the manager.

Unlike you though I feel the way to solve that is we need to back a manager who has the clubs best interests at heart. At the moment we have allowed the owners and Woodward off the hook each time by turning on the manager. They get to sack him and hang all the club's failures around his neck.

What if we did something different this time? What if we back the manager and turn on the people who are the problem?

Or we could turn on a club legend, drive him out of the club and let the people who are the real problem off the hook again.

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05 May 2019 18:26:19
I don't see what a pre season would do. Ole would obviously be teaching tactics and playing style. What on earth has he been doing for 6-7 months then? Pre season is important when a new manager is appointed after the season ends not when he has been here for half a season.

What is his style? What will he sell in the summer to recruit new players?

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05 May 2019 19:06:20
You're blinded shappy. OGS is in way above his head. For someone who was so critical of Jose, I am very surprised at how you believe OGS might be the answer.

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05 May 2019 19:20:36
Sure appointment another defensive ex Chelsea manager. Great idea. How did Conte do again when the dressing room decided they'd had enough?

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05 May 2019 19:42:11
Shappy you keep calling Jose a failure but you do remember that he won us 3 trophies and a second place and an fa cup final with this hopeless lot. If that isn't success than i am afraid you will not see anything with Ole unless ofcourse good interviews in the press are success for you.

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05 May 2019 20:00:48
United Addict, he won two trophies with us. Let's not drop so low as to actually accept the Charity shield as an actual trophy. It's a glorified friendly to open the season.

Also let's not be Liverpool fans and celebrate losing finals.

Language is the key. Jose had success at our club. But you can't say he was a success. The season we have had is entirely down to Jose. Our season was over by Christmas. He failed. End of, pull your nose out of his backside long enough and you'd see that.

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05 May 2019 22:45:52
The simple fact is that Ole is pulling on the heart strings, the emotional sentimental choice. There can be no other reason for retaining him

In answer to Mort, I didn’t suggest Conte but it destroys the idea there was no one available. The actual point you made was about losing the dressing room yet people are on here saying the players need sorting out. Conte won the league yet the powers that be didn’t stand by him and preferred the players. Get the right manager, stand by him. We don’t have the right manager.

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06 May 2019 03:28:52
Get the right manager, and stand by him. But that's only a manager that you think is right, obviously. Otherwise, no backing. Ok, then.

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06 May 2019 07:32:07
I could counter with the same for you Shappy. Better that you pull out your nose out of Ole's ass to see facts. You are championing a man who took us from a low lying 6th position and took us to the dizzying heights of 6th. His last 5 months have been worse than Jose's. See facts. If you want to say that he took us on the longest winning run then also see facts that he has now been incharge of the worst run in 40 years. Obviously it is all about Jose that we have had this season. We could have finished 3rd but what happened? The messiah failed to motivate the hopeless lot? Failed to teach scoring goals to the boy wonder? Failed to play Pogba in his favored position? Stuck with Young? Kept playing Shaw? Held back Dalot? Played Lindelof out of position? didn't play your only striker who actually knows where the goal is? Called out Martial publicly?

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05 May 2019 15:44:41
I hope Ole’s feelings for the club run that deep that he will realise he is out of his depth, his unraveling at Cardiff should have been enough for the club to realise that. The football is absolutely terrible, no passion, intensity or belief in each other. I would not trust him to rebuild the team, legend yes, manager no, he needs a one way ticket to Molde.

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05 May 2019 16:01:33
I’ll judge him on signings and see what style of play he brings next season. Sadly though I believe your right.

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05 May 2019 13:29:14
Looks like an example is being made of Martial.

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05 May 2019 13:43:23
About time to. Hope he is sold.
Only 2 players in our squad cover less distance per 90 mins played jones and ddg.
He converts less ground than any other attacker or attacking midfielder in the league.
Rotten attitude.

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05 May 2019 14:06:47
Best finisher at the club, hope he is persevered with.

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05 May 2019 14:20:02
DSG he can only be preserved with if he shows an improvement in attitude.

Ken, that's a shocking stat considering one of those is a keeper an Jones usually does most of his movement on his face.

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05 May 2019 14:25:26
He will never reach his potential and actually irritates me whilst he is on the pitch. All the talent in the world but shocking attitude and massively overpaid no doubt.

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05 May 2019 14:44:39
Do these stats really matter? People see what they want to see. Martial runs less sure, but he has the best goals/ minutes played so no one is going to mention that because the narrative is lazy rubbish martial. The same stats show pogba is the 3rd best player at the club in terms of distance covered per 90, is that going to stop people from thinking he is a lazy player who doesn't work hard enough?

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{Ed001's Note - does distance covered on stretchers count? Jones would be top then I reckon.}

05 May 2019 14:59:39
I hope we preserve him too Mort - I’m pickle Martial.

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05 May 2019 15:07:46
CSM - Pogba is 9th in our average distance covered stats, behind every other central mid. He has spent more time walking than any other player in the league.

The reason people say that he’s lazy is because he is.

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{Ed025's Note - no punches pulled there danny..

05 May 2019 15:15:55
When Fellaini is ahead of him in average distance covered, there’s no place for pulled punches ed025.

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{Ed025's Note - yeah mate your right, uniteds midfield seem awfully slow moving the ball for me danny, its all a bit predictable and basically boring to watch..

05 May 2019 15:32:28
I always said Pogba looks slow and doesn't bother running around.

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05 May 2019 15:41:20
Danny the other midfielders don't play 90 mins most games, you can't compare per 90 stats of a guy who plays 85 mins on an average to players who play 60 mins a game on an average. I was comparing those who have played atleast 1400 minutes this season.

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05 May 2019 15:54:49
CSM defending the indefensible.

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05 May 2019 16:08:35
dropping martial is doing wonders ain't it angel.

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05 May 2019 16:46:06
What difference would playing Can't Run Won't Run have made today? We create nothing for him to finish.

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05 May 2019 18:07:00
We have 4 players that i think cv ould well go on and thrive elsewhere. Lukaku pogba ddg and martial.
I couldn't care less if martial does well elsewhere. Its what he does here that counts.

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05 May 2019 18:21:40
I was talking about pogba. But yeah martial's been crap and shouldn't be at this club either. dropping a player for one or two games isn't going to do anything with this current crop. It needs quite a large overhaul and a management team at the helm that are capable of putting it all together.

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05 May 2019 18:24:28
The stats on pogba show he walks or slow jogs most of that distance CSM. And has hardly any runs or sprints.

More to the point he constantly loses his man, or let's players run off him. Don't need stats for that, just watch him.

Real are welcome to him.

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05 May 2019 12:42:48
Although this season looks like being a damp squib there's surely hope for the future .
There's loads of things we can improve hopefully starting with buying a specialist right sided attacker who can beat a man on the inside or outside and be supported by a new full back, I hope we stop playing strikers or number tens or fullbacks or midfielders out wide it's been pretty fruitless and we buy what we need and a specialist .

A couple of midfielders with good technique and ability to be comfortable on the ball, able to retain possession and dictate a game better would see us look much better as would a CB with a bit class and speed .
I hope no more older players looking for a big pay day who quickly decline and then cause issues over their salary and have little resale value . Offer bigger money to players actually performing and not what they may do in the future or have done in the past . Surely we have a world wide scouting network and hopefully a hefty budget.

To be fair this all sounds obvious and the case in previous spending, a little more accountability for poor buys maybe a good idea.
If we did these changes I hope we have the balls to actually take good teams on next season rather than retreat against the likes of city as nearly everyone bar Liverpool and maybe spurs do, which duznt work and yields city enormous points totals .

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05 May 2019 13:15:11
We have some excellent prospects at the club, in the first team currently we have Martial, Rashford, Dalot, McTominay and Lindelof. All of which are young players who could improve. Then there are the academy prospects, Gomes, Greenwood, Tuanzebe and Garner are in my opinion the most likely to make the step up to the first team.

That's 8-9 players who could be key first team players in 2-3 years.

The key is to bring in the right people to complement them, while also enabling them to flourish.

There is potential for a bright future. But we need to have the vision and the patience to build towards it.

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05 May 2019 13:52:14
Assuming we are out of top 4 at the end i'd sell pogba ddg lukaku and martial. Probably 300m there to start a rebuild.
If we do get top 4 i'd fight hard to keep ddg but still look to sell the other 3.
Along with the exits of herrera valencia darmain rojo one of smalling jones or bailly and possibly mata we can then begin to look at to the future.

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05 May 2019 13:54:25
Read the page today Shappy. Patience?

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05 May 2019 11:34:48
In two and a half hours we kick off against a relegated team, but there is a negative air hanging over the club, to such an extent I have no idea whether we will win. I think we might, certainly should, but confidence on how we will play is not high.

There is no excuse whatsoever of using the managers bus parking standard tactics of sitting back and hitting them on the break. I hope young players get a chance to put a bit of fizz back in the team, but Ole has shown he goes with experience when it mattered before.

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05 May 2019 11:39:47
Agreed RedMan, i for one think we're going to under perform with a dull and slow performance. And Huddersfield will be fired up for their fans.
On paper, we should beat them easily. But truth told, we won't match them for effort and we'll lose.

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05 May 2019 12:05:33
I don't think we will lose. We will win 3.0 today.

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05 May 2019 12:13:44
The season shockingly, could somehow still end up positive. Smashing Huddersfield today coupled with Chelsea losing points, we go into the final day with a chance. Let's do this.

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05 May 2019 12:40:07
We need to score a minimum of 6 today and hope other results go our way.
Then we need to score another 6 next week and hope results go our way.
Its the longest of long shots.

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05 May 2019 13:32:01
There seem to be a few on here contributing to that negativity. This OP, being a case in point. Self-fulfilling prophecy?

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05 May 2019 13:58:33
Only Chong involved. Disappointing.

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05 May 2019 15:42:33
Ken, thing is, on paper we have the quality to do that.

It’s too late now. Players have underperformed and have no fight. We have two games left against teams that are already relegated. Yet we’re barely looking forward to either fixture.

What a difference a couple of signings could make. We need to be looking for leaders and specialists in their position.

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05 May 2019 16:04:51
What a pathetic effort, no shape, no passion, no organisation, little or no change made to influence the game, just meek acceptance. Some players need selling but I just can’t believe people refuse to see there is a major problem in structure and in the choice of manager. The club needs to act on the manager now or be irrelevant next season and we will have to fight for sixth with ambitious teams like Everton and Wolves.

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05 May 2019 08:49:38
Well OGS aim next year is to not drop out of the top 6 next season.

What's our thoughts on that as ambition?

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05 May 2019 09:00:57
With the way Wolves are playing and they do not loose thier best players they will be closer again.

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05 May 2019 09:05:23
Well let's back him in the summer and give him his pre season to develop the players' fitness and get his messgae clear to the players on how he wants to play next season to have us challenging for the top of the table under the top 5.

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05 May 2019 09:33:05
Hopefully he can steady the ship, and keep us safe from relegation over the next five years.

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05 May 2019 09:42:04
He must have watched smalling and jones try to pass a football and still be in shock from that.

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05 May 2019 10:10:56
Not at all what he said. Thanks for hosting another MourinhoFC reunion though.

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05 May 2019 10:50:56
I love it. 😂😂😂.

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05 May 2019 10:53:56
Angel how about reading the article rather than just the click bait headline.

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05 May 2019 11:03:59
"We have to make sure that we are getting closer and moving that way up the table and not looking over the shoulders because there are big clubs, good clubs wanting to chase that top six.

“You’ve got Leicester, Everton, Watford, probably Newcastle, you’ve got clubs that want to chase us. We have to make sure that we are ones who chase those ahead of us. ”

Oh Nathaniel, get over Mourinho. he's gone now. It's about the future. And unfortunately the future does not look bright.

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05 May 2019 11:27:51
At Manchester United the manager should not be mentioning teams like that at all, they shouldn’t be in his thought process, unless we are playing them next. Where is the positive thinking? Will top transfer targets and even our existing players be enthralled by the opportunity to keep Watford and co at bay, really? Is that the same team and players that some on here were saying should have won the league under the last manager. The Ole fan club will defend him at all costs but no matter how you look at it, it reveals his mindset, one established as the manager of Cardiff and Molde. What a mess.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is not the right manager for Manchester United and not just because of these comments alone. The club need to deal with it, now!

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05 May 2019 11:46:59
Agree red man, too much sentiment coming out of OGS. I love the guy as he's a legend, but he'll be like a rabbit in headlights next season.
Transfer targets rumoured are people like dembele.
City are close to buying the best player in the Portuguese league in Bruno Fernandes, he's a class act, scored nearly 30 goals from midfield in a poor Sporting side.
We need OGS to grow a pair and step out of Fergie's shadow. De Ligt will be my top priority, and build the team around him, fighter, leader, tough, cultured at 19yrs old. From there, we can rebuild the team.
We need to be looking at how to catch Chelsea, Spurs, not how to stay in front of Leicester and Everton.

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05 May 2019 11:58:56
I would not read too much into it. He is just easing the pressure on himself and board. Also not giving to much hope to world class fans. if he achieve more. he can give thumbs up.

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05 May 2019 12:04:57
AAA

City are also rumoured to have met the parents of Joao Felix.

I am not confident at all about next season with the present manager and structure above him.

If the club want to be successful, the board need to appoint a director of football who reports to the board directly, not to Woodward and immediately task them to start a process to review who would be the right manager.

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05 May 2019 12:11:32
Exactly guys. I am sure w3 don't hear managers of Real madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Juventus, Psg talk about how they want to be ahead of Valencia, Getafe, Hoffenheim, wolfsburg, Torino, Florentina, Angers and Bordeaux but this is the level we ar3 currently at. I understand this is a different league but with th3 resources we have we should be aiming much higher.

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05 May 2019 12:15:26
One of the Red Devil

Easing the pressure on himself? This is Manchester United, not Cardiff or Molde, if that is the reason, he should be given his P45 before today’s game.

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05 May 2019 12:26:02
Ole also said “Hopefully we can produce better performances and they (City and Liverpool) can produce worse and we’ll get closer. ”

Hopefully.

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05 May 2019 13:05:50
Amazing how people are twisting Ole’s comments to suit their whole bias.

He’s saying we shouldn’t be looking at the teams below us, we should be focusing on getting ahead of the teams above us.

Somehow that’s interpreted as we are scared of Everton and Watford 🙄.

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05 May 2019 13:30:32
for me i think the turning point was the Liverpool game where Ole realised the team are so unfit and not made for his style of play.

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05 May 2019 13:33:45
This is just getting plain embarrassing, now.

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05 May 2019 14:02:28
Dont wry Stevie, it will get worse next season.

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05 May 2019 14:21:47
Been embarrassing for quite some time now stevie.

We have a bad captain steering a rudderless ship.

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05 May 2019 14:35:47
Not so much aimed at you Angel, more the willingness of some with their replies, to twist quotes to suit their argument. Though at least there was an actual quote here to misquote, as opposed to just taking any aul garbage from the rags, and using it to make an OP.

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05 May 2019 15:56:07
I just saw what he said and thought the way he was talking was all wrong.

Unfortunately poor ole is way out of his depth and his attitude has changed dramatically since his first few games.

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Review Of The Day 5th May 2019

05 May 2019 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 5th May 2019

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04 May 2019 23:50:46
Mention in some tabloids of swap deals with Madrid for Pogba, Kroos and Varne named. I would stay clear of all of them and get in young hungry players who will work hard and be ambitious.

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{Ed004's Note - I assume you mean Varane... He would be a brilliant signing for us. His recovery pace (like Bailly vs Chelsea) would allow us to set up 10/15 yards further forward on the pitch. Additionally he is a presence a set pieces which we are missing. I would avoid Kroos like the plague though}

05 May 2019 10:53:21
Apparrently it is either ktoos or Varane we want in any deal and the price set for Pogba is very high for interesting parties. I wouldn't go near Kroos eithet but wouldn't mind Varane. Another player which will be good for us would be Isco but i don't think he is available as he was the furst choice for City and they have told them to look elsewhere hence their sudden inter3st in Fernandes.

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05 May 2019 11:37:15
I'd take varane and isco in a exchange for him would instantly improve us.

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05 May 2019 11:57:00
I will more than happy if get Varane + cash for Pogba. That sorts out our CB demand in long term. Pogba has shown replaceable class, nothing more.
But if they want us to get in trap with Bale and Kroos. I will stay wide of talk.

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05 May 2019 11:58:44
I'm still not convinced with Varane's injury record. The last thing we need is another massively paid injury prone player.
Imo we should go all out for Koulibally, who is made for EPL.

In regards to swap deal, Casemiro would be a good signing.

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