Manchester United Banter Archive October 05 2012

05 Oct 2012 22:26:11
Picking up on a point made a bit further down the page that went something like 'Petrucci must be the oldest youth player ever'. This may be a little of an overexaggeration, however, one has to think, 'what does he have to do?'. I am sure that he himself must be thinking of that. He is the reserve team captain and is a stand out player. Sydney will argue that if he hadn't got an injury then he would be in the team by now, however would he? We see that Powell has come in and made a couple of first team appearences in Cup Games, is Powell really that much better than Petrucci? Petrucci is pushing 21, will soon have to be squad registered so is he going to make it here? Under the current management I am tempted to say no - no doubt he has the potential, but it seems clear that SAF as well as other staff members don't feel he is ready yet - how long can he play reserve team football? I feel that he will leave soon enough...and we'll regret it as we will with Pogba.

Fresh!

He's an incredible talent who should be getting opportunities in the first team, I think he's more talented than Powell.

Percy

Lets compare petrucci and powell shall we
- short range passing : Petrucci
- long range passing : Petrucci
- vision : Petrucci
- creativity : Petrucci
- dribbling : Petrucci.
- set pieces : Petrucci
- tackling : Petrucci
- Physical presence : Petrucci
- keeping possession : Petrucci
- Long range shooting : Powell
- Short range shooting ( finishing ) : tie.

Now a regular of the reserves would know that petrucci is twice the player Powell is, and the only one the later is better at scoring from outside of the box is because he tries more often. Now Powell is guetting more gametime than Petrucci because :
- Powell is english, and we all know how overated english youngsters are
- Powell came with a 4 million price tag, so he HAS to get games.
Im not slamming the kid, he is obviously a great talent and might go on to reach worldclass levels and become much better than petrucci, but atm petrucci is much more accomplished and deserves a chance, but im 90% sure he will be regretting the day he refused a contract from inter this summer. He didnt go even when his contract was over and he could have signed with inter for double the wages and game time guarantee. This is how his loyalty has been rewarded.

Mick

Petrucci is a great player. If u go to Moss side or watch him on MUtv u will see his long/short passing, his ability to hit shots from range, control & tekkers u can't deny the lad IS A TALENT. His only is his pace. Petrucci can't get away from players just by a bursting run. Okay, many of u will say that is not his game.
So in away Powell, Tunnicliffe & Lingard are not in his way. They are more mobile midfielders that can pass & move & make driving runs into the box. Petrucci is more of a sitting deep passing midfielder now. Granted he used to be more attacking in his Roma days ala Anderson at Porto.
So Petrucci is actually waiting for that position in the team of a deep lying midfielder. Picking the ball up in space from the defence & pinging a ball 40yards to the wingers ala Scholes or sideways & backwards like Carrick.
In short, it's Carrick & Scholes that are ahead of Petrucci in his playing style role. Not Powell or even Lingard. Different type of midfielders all together.

TJ

You hear all the players say it... "reserve football is a million miles away from the first team" obviously Petrucci is not YET good enough to compete at first team level. Just look at pre-season he played left wing, fergie obviously doesn't think he is ready and will need a loan spell first to bulk up.

I remember last year Sir Alex and Warren Joyce both commented on him when they said that because of his horrible injuries he was behind all the players at that age having missed 1-2 years of football his physical development is lacking. I just think that injury spell has cost him at a vital time in his career. Hopefully not. And to add to the post from Mick I don't agree with that at all in those comparisons that is just a bias conclusion you have created

RedKnight

Just look at what happened with pogba, wasnt getting a game and pissed off to juve...ppl said why is he going to juve he wont get a game there but hes already got more apps with juve than he got here..3 league apps and 1 euro app...everyones gonna be sickened when hes a world class mid in a few years and we're still waiting for a top mid to be signed........think some of the younger players should be given their chance and see how they cope or are we just gonna bring class young players through the youth system and reserves and then let them piss off somewhere else and then few years down the line realize rubbish theres one that got away.....SMINKY PANTS

TJ
i agree that petrucci is more of a dlp than an attacking midfielder but he can hold his wn in a more advanced position. Sometimes he plays as the cam in a 4-2-3-1 and he is extremly dangerous in and around the box. His dribbling is remarkable and you always feel that he is gonna make something happen out of nothing, his through balls are fantastic.
Redknight
if you watch the reserves regularly you d see what i am talking about. Petrucci is simply head and shoulders above everyone else.

Mick

05 Oct 2012 22:19:55
Wait, so you lot think daehli is better than suso?. I watched a few videos of daehli on youtube, and its is pretty obvious that he has nothing on suso. Go on youtubeand watch a vid called liverpool's suso fernandez; the new fabregas. Its the most recemt one. Then you'll see that you lot are talking nonsense. You cant be the main man in spain's u19 team without being pretty special.

Hounsred

YouTube? You're a real scout aren't you? I have no doubt in my mind that Daehli is a bigger talent than Suso and Sterling.

G.A.G.U.S

Daehli is possibly the most talented player in his age group in Europe, if not the world. He's magic. Suso isn't on his level.

Percy

Erm he's not the main man in the Spain u19 team which includes Torres, delafeou and Rodriguez.

Supasub {Ed001's Note - actually their coach was saying in the summer how he built the team around Suso as he is a gem or peach or something like that. I would guess he would know a lot better than you who is their main man!}

Daehli was voted number 2 in the world at his age group behind Viktor Fischer who is in and around Ajax first team,


Daehli will be a star, and you won't be bigging Suso up when one of the top Spanish clubs come calling. And P.S don't say "he turned down Madrid" there was an enquiry but never any serious offer" so that is not an excuse

RedKnight

Actually he had agreed a deal with madrid but chose us at the last minute. He said himself.

Hounsred

Spoilsport ed

Supasub

Lets not forget that Suso is 18 months older than Daehli. There is a lot of development to be done in that time so it is pointless comparing the 2 players. Lets wait until both players are established first teamers. Both are very good but very different players.

TK-Red

He's hardly going to come out and say he'd rather of signed for Madrid is he! Not going to make him a fan favourite is it! Don't say Aguero said it either, Aguero's an established world class player who won city the title so they'll love him forever!

Ports

Dont you get it? he picked us over madrid. google it if u dont believe me.

hounsred

The kid is not a tool, he knoows he wouldnt get a chance at madrid so he moved to a club where first team football is much easier to get. But considering he's spanish, and considering that liverpool are not what you can call one of the big boys atm, its very likely that he will move back to spain when if he establishes himself as a huge talent.

Mick

You have to slate 18 year old spaniards with awesome hair just to make some of your youth players look nice? if he's so good, enjoy him! he's #2 at his age class? why do you have to compare him, then?

05 Oct 2012 20:58:31
All the Liverpool fans coming onto our page made me think, y dnt i go on there's and see what they are saying to each other, i must say i found it very predictable but funny aswell, here's one to make u smile.
''I think BR is fantastic the way he has us playing is excellent the only 2 criticisms are,
I think sometimes we over pass and out build up play is to slow allowing teams to get players back and flood us then hit with good counter attack as our defence is to far up the pitch trying to support midfield as they try to keep the ball.
Defensively we aren't as tight as we should be.. leaking goals. like Brendan said last night we shouldn't have to score three or 4 goals in order to win a game!
Love watching us play at the moment tho... it is pretty beautiful.
----------------------------------------------

It will take time. But the future is more promising than it has been for many years.

How funny is this, the fan says he really likes BR and the way they are playing but he only has TWO problems with it, they dnt score enough and concede to easy, and are slow at build up play lol.....um..... and they like that?
And the reply is just amazing,we had better worry because next year or the year after it will be there year
Chris the REDman

05 Oct 2012 17:54:11
with a fully fit squad we will be a hell of a lot better surely? defensively we have been terrible this season, I'm not clinging on to some false optimism here by thinking when we get our defenders back we will be a lot stronger? I know that sounds like a stupid question but with all our defenders fit how much would Jones and Smalling play? because I just feel Rio is past it and vidic isn't what he used to be! Evra should not be in the team I don't honestly know if buttner is much better but he couldnt be any worse surely! my point is this... I'm trying to be optimistic about this season but when I watch united I just have this fear we wont be able to keep pace because we are terrible defensively and I have no confidence in either rio or evra and they are both first choice players aren't they? maybe I'm being too harsh I don't know maybe they aren't getting enough cover from midfield I'm no expert clearly I just think we are so fragile defensively and even with a fully fit squad I fear we are not going to be good enough!

Jamal

05 Oct 2012 16:16:51
UNITED TO OFFER REAL A PEA

If you believe in such a thing as a momemtum of stories building in the press then Javier Hernandez could well be heading towards the exit door of Old Trafford.

For a few days now there have been mumblings and murmerings that United have decided Chicharito is no longer for them, and will try and offload him onto Real Madrid.

However, they don't want cash in return, but rather a Real player, and if The Star is right then they don't appear to be that fussy.

The papers report: 'United have previously been linked with defenders Raul Albiol and Raphael Varane, with the Premier League side also closely monitoring Sergio Ramos's current troubles with Mourinho.

'Fergie's dream target would be midfielder Kaka, after he aborted a bid for the Brazilian in the summer.

'And the temptation to wreck Liverpool's hopes of tying up a permanent deal for on-loan star Nuri Sahin is becoming increasingly attractive, following the Turkish international's recent impressive performances.'

DeLaRusso

1. Its the St*r, so not very reliable.

2. Get rid of to Madrid? So we get rid of tat we don't want to the most prestigious club in the world. If he's not good enough for United [Incidentally he is] then wouldn't he be not good enough for Madrid.

3. Albiol? Really? Varane turned us down once so dount it. And Ramos, your having a laugh, there would be about 6 clubs in front of us in the race.

4 Kaka is past it and wouldn't last 5 minutes in the English league. Also why would we want an injury prone old crock anyway.

5. Sahin hasn't eexactly looked a world beater so far has he.

6. The only player we should be asking for is Ozil, and the day he wears a red shirt is the day ol Nick skates to work.

Funny that! sahin, 4 games, 3 goals, 3 assists! though hes not set the world alight eh?

ian the red

Sahin is yet to perform the level that he is expected of him..........playing against norwich nd a europa league tam dosent make u world beater....

05 Oct 2012 15:47:55
I'm gonna say it again. For a team that aspires to European dominance, you are distinctly ordinary. Sure, you've been quite successful domestically, but it wouldn't be unfair to say that that's largely been down to the game and standard of the teams in the Premiership.

The true test comes when you come up against the continenal sides. These are games in which you've been found out.
Virtually every good to half decent technical-inclined continental side has outplayed and wiped the floor with you.
Barca, Bayern, Bilbao. Even the likes of Wolfsburg, CSKA, Basel have toyed with you in your own ground.
Just a couple of weeks ago you barely beat a manifestly 3rd rate Galatasaray outfit, in YOUR OWN GROUND with virtually all your "star" players.

Recently we've even seen domestic sides like Fulham and Wigan bossing you, in YOUR OWN backyard. Spurs could and would have walloped you by a much bigger margin had they not bottled it.

The point here's that, you are an average, very average footballing team that owes the bulk of its success and survival to individual brilliance, fortuitous happenstances and, moreover, dubious refereeing.

You are particularly unimaginative and uninteresting as a football and make for sore viewing. I particularly sympathize Kagawa. I can't say that I'm surprised by it. Under the tutelage of the prehistoric, tactically naive, one-dimensional Ferguson, players like Kagawa face a tall order tyring to prosper and improve their game.
He must wished he was out there on the pitch for BVB at the Etihad.

Honestly, I don't see going any further than the last 16. This season the CL is full of the sort of teams you hate playing: those that can play football, and they are vastly improved this time round.
Really, your team is not very good, to put it mildly.

I also see that you've had lots to say about my team's game last night.
Well, my own take is that we had some great spells and created good chances but failed to take them. A very decent Udinese side acquitted themselves well and took their chances and won the game. Simple.
I don't see what particular significance them being 14th in the Serie A has.

I seem to remember one Blackburn Rovers clobbering your buttocks at OLD TRAFFORD good and proper. Blackburn, by the way, were relegated that same season. Jep!

The Italian isn't the pinnacle of European football, but Udinese are a decent side. They lost their big players such Alexis and Inler, and yet finished.
They were always going to be tough customers, especially against a team featuring no less than 6 non-regulars.

And to be fair, last night's result wasn't particularly significant, in the grand scheme of things.
We are completely rebuilding. This season for us marks the beging of a transition, a huge transition. It's gonna take a heck of a lot of time, but it WILL come together.

A new manager, implementing the new philosophy and style, new players, phasing out the old guard, integrating the kids etc. That's this season marks the start of.
So considering all those factors, any sober-minded and objective observer would see that LFC is actually making some important strides.
Yes, the defence, particularly at an individual level, has been singularly erratic, indeed abject.

But one could argue that, as the players' understanding of each other and the system and also their technical ability and composure improves, such flaws will soon iron themselves out.

Of the six games we've played this season, we completely and utterly dominated all, except Arsenal and to an extent WBA.
It wouldn't be unfair to say that, on another day, we would have got all three Against City, Sunderland and you, with perhaps a draw at WBA.
Arguably, only Arsenal
have bettered us in terms of enterprise and imagination going forward.

And to say that really is a positive, considering all those aforementioned, due to which I expected us to struggle.

As LFC fans, we know where we are right now. We know the team isn't finished article yet, far from it... and to be fair, no LFC fan has sought to contend otherwise.
No one of us is under any illusion about our league prospects.
None of us is expecting our great club to win the league. And there's no genuine expectation CL qualification.

Trust me, we are fully aware where we and are under no illusions.
Though I can't say the same about you. Talk of European domination is pathetically laughable.

In terms of genuine footballing quality, you aren't even the best team in your City, and England.
You've been outplayed by decent to half-decent team that can play football. You are technically challenged, can't keep the ball, are one-dimensional and unimaginative, lack genuine class quality (save for RVP), have old has-beens as your key players, tactically naive, prehistoric manager. It goes on and on.

To top it all, and this is the most telling part... you're all clamouring for Ashley Young's return, yeah, Ashley Young.
Nuff said.

Mes Trengove

I love the amount of time you spent on that post and the fact no-one here cares! I read as far as the first sentence and could'nt be bothered with the rest.
Now get back to jobsite and remember to turn up smart for that potential interview.

Supasub

You spend way too much time fixating on our club, every time you have a bad result you lot come on here telling us how our team isn't good, it's comical.

"In terms of genuine footballing quality, you aren't even the best team in your City"

Somewhere I can hear a pot and a kettle having a major argument.

But in all honesty there is nothing as pathetic as the Liverpool fans who come on here to criticise United because the long to feel relevant. Blur and LFC are on here more than United fans. And why? Because they know they only success they can possible hope for in the foreseeable future is that another club fail to win. Is that not the saddest thing that a football fan can do? In the space of twenty years Liverpool have gone from the undisputed kings of England to a small club, with a small club mentality and a giant chip on its shoulder.

You will always be dwelling on past glories and telling everyone that your future success is just around the corner. Because that's the only thing that a small time club with stations above itself can do they make itself feel like it's still a major player.

Danny Pughnited

You never know it could be your time next year oh no wait a minute that was last year no the year before last or was it 2 years no its groundhog day
johndenton

Lol, do u remember when u played in europe's top football comp? No me too...., i love the way u slate our team then go on to try justify your teams LOSS.
You say u feel sorry for kagawa, well i hope u feel the same for gerrard as by his stupidness he has won nothing to shout about apart from a flukey CL, arn't worldclass players supposed to win loads?
Still dont worry im sure u will finish in the bottom half of the prem way behind fulham,spurs,everton(lol), newcastle,sunderland,maybe even stoke and wba lol and then point out how your improving under paul jewell (opps i mean bredan rodgers), because we know as i sure u do that LOSING alot of games in the league in accepted amoung ure fans lol, the most exciting time about your home games is when ure fans get to sing YNWA then u settle down on your bin lids and watch a slow and painfull loss at your own ground! The same one i might point out that Queen kenny turned into an away teams easiest ground to get points, no fight, heart, and spirt but at least you are going in the right direction, much like stoke and wba, u never know if u can win a few at home and draw a few away u might get a 10th placed finish. u might laugh at me and say i dont think but ask any real football fan what they think of liverpool and they will tell u some harsh truths, we might not be perfect, but we are closer to the top than u are to 6-7th, and that the sad realitly of your poor poor team and u know it.
So by all means keep coming on here to try and justify to yourself another loss by trying to wind up our fans, im sure u will get bites, but just remember what you say about our club is in bitterness because u wished u had our success, and what we say about your club is what every football fan is thinking about your club, i mean come on a game against norwich was a 6 pointer lol.
we all laugh at you.
Chris the REDman
(Not arrogant, just better)

Oh for gods sake citizens

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

mike

05 Oct 2012 18:58:21
Mes Trengove, best post I've seen on here for ever, I loved how supasub said he only read the 1st sentence....yeah course he did!!! lol. You know what they say. Truth always hurts. Still laughing at the thought of how many nails you hit on the head. Blair's got his work cut out to better that one.
Stoner

I was going to respond to this, but I think you've just about covered it Chris the Red man.

Liverpool fans all like to think they don't. Hold bitter feelings... They do though don't they though ;)

DodgyBanter

I had to laugh when he said we are not the best team in Manchester when Liverpool is not the beat team in there city either !

Dio

Absolutely brilliant post mes trengove! to the poster who said that we are fixated with your club, funny that considering all your songs some how aim abuse at scousers! every song you sing mentions scousers so find it a little hypercritical that you say we are fixated with your club the last thing we sing about is you lot... no wonder your team is as crap as it is when all the players here from the terraces is songs about liverpool haha forever in liverpools shadow!

ian the red

05 Oct 2012 15:24:15
Looks as though Scholes, Giggs and Carrick will all play some part against Newcastle, as well as Ferdinand and Evra. Same old United team, be prepared for a same old slow tempo performance.

Fresh!

05 Oct 2012 15:10:47
So, the usual suspects are playing on Sunday it seems. I'm sure every single one of us knew that.

Predictions?

A draw or a loss.
SAF to badmouth the team's performance in a drab, tired post-match interview.
Same team plays again the next game.
Rinse and repeat.

RED_SKY

05 Oct 2012 12:55:05
This is my opinion on who we will see on Saturday against the Geordie's.

------------Lindegaard------------

Rafael-Ferdinand-Evans-Evra-

---------Carrick--Scholes--------

---Nani-----Rooney---Welbeck-

---------------RVP----------------

Now there is a difference between the team I think Sir Alex will pick (Above) compared to the team I want to play (Below

----------------De Gea-------------

Rafael-Ferdinand-Evans-Buttner

------------Carrick-Anderson-----

--------Nani--Rooney--Kagawa-

------------------RVP----------------

Evra/Buttner: I think I speak for everyone here when I say.... SIR ALEX, WHY DO YOU PERSIST ON PICKING EVRA? he really has just fallen off the cliff, getting beat by premier league average wingers but getting ripped by a winger from Romania is just laughable. Get Buttner in or Ben Arfa Vs Evra there could be blood spilled on Sunday.

Scholes/Anderson or Cleverley: I think Carrick will be in the team purely for the height battle as Newcastle will continue on from last year, long ball back to front and Carrick will be needed to help the battle. I just feel against Tiote and Cabaye we need energy to combat it and Anderson and Cleverley could compete and set counter-attacks up for the front 4.

Welbeck/Kagawa: It just feels like one of those games when he will throw Welbeck in left wing like he did against Everton. The height he brings will also be an advantage defensive and offensive. I would prefer Kagawa as he was effective against Spurs as because he was cutting in off the left it was hard for them to pick him up and would also give more energy going backwards to combat Danny Simpson and help out Evra.

RedKnight

I like your team - but would swop Cleverley for Carrick

Mike

I would swap nani for a plastic cone it would do more work
johndenton

05 Oct 2012 12:38:57
AJH I bow to your superior wit which always has me in stitches whenever you post on this site but please tell me what i said that offended you so. I appreciate that your wife and your mum have both said you are sensitive well I think it was sensitive or maybe always soft, but dont worry they are lovely ladies and surprisingly friendly to each other If you like I will send you the photos. I AM KLOOT

That's just insults you're throwing now RFT. You post a couple of good posts (for you) what I mean by that. Is the spelling is nearly correct. Get some fans attention and then insult them.

FFS, grow up mate. You turn 17 this week. Start acting it....

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

There you go, proving my point. How utterly hilarious you are. If you can't figure out what is offensive...

05 Oct 2012 11:32:36
They finished 4th in Seria A last year Ed, we had our b team out. And we still should have got a result. You seriously know nothing about football Ed if you think that Udinese are not better than Cluj. How you got an Eds job, ill never know??

PSG are struggling in Lique 1, with the season only starting. By your genius conclusions and superior (useless) football knowledge. They must be a bad side too. Just like Ac Milan, Anzi and REAL MADRID. Who have all started poorly in their domestic leagues.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

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Muppet!

PSG are 2nd in the league only behind Marseille. Struggling in league 1? Pretty clear that your knowledge about football is "F**k All". Or do you think its soccer ehh?

If you can't understand the difference between a side which has sold its star players and is lying 15th in the Italian League and PSG/Madrid etc, you are a petrified forest.

I will tell you what a struggle means. Lying 14th in the EPL with only one win in six games. 2 teams have a game in hand over you. You can't score goals and Jon Jo person is the next best thing you lot have got. Before you question ed004, i would suggest go and get a life or better watch a NFL match.

How have you got access to a keyboard and internet is beyond me.

Deeps...

05 Oct 2012 12:32:39
So only when you lose players like Shelvey, robinson, borini etc are below standard?

That's right you tell the boy

Ross

What's wrong with the NFL, Deeps mate. I'm a massive fan of the New England Patriots. So be careful what you say next time buddy, or I'll have you removed from this site...

Cheers

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

05 Oct 2012 14:35:55
I think you should stick to talking about NFL then. Just dont talk about football, ohh i am sorry "soccer".

Removed from this site?.. I appreciate you are thick skinned and take a lot of stick from both 'Pool and United fans. Just curious, is there something wrong up there? Ohh i guess your brains are in a state of "transition" for the last 20 years, just like your club.

Cheers Mate

Deeps... {Ed007's Note - Nobody removes anyone apart from us Eds, even if a complaint is made about a post and we don't see a problem with it nobody will be banned. We are meant to be all adults here, well except Blur of course.}

Don't worry about me, Deeps mate. All the marleys are still rolling, in the same direction.

Ed007

I would appreciate it, if you called me by the name my mama gave me (Blair).

Cheers

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed007's Note - Post in a copy of your birth certificate and I will gladly call you Bliar.}

The funny thing is, if he went and watched an nfl game it still wouldn't have as many downs in a game as a liverpool game when suarez is playing.
Chris the REDman

Very good Chris mate, very good indeed. lol lol

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

05 Oct 2012 18:07:46
Sorry Bond, if i went overboard with any of my posts regarding Blair. Banter is always welcome, but it becomes hard to keep your wits about you when someone comes up with an incorrect fact and then slag an Ed off and talk crap on a forum which is by the way not even for the team he supports.

Completely agree with you, abusive posts and trolling is something we all can do without.

Deeps...

05 Oct 2012 09:45:14
a lot of reports of chica to madrid today
jred

He would be deadly in La Liga. I do not believe we are interested in Kaka though. Sahin or Ramos yes, or even Ozil, but not Kaka.

Sydney!

05 Oct 2012 10:26:27
wont happen, hes not good enough

I actual think chica's showing signs of finding his form again , i think he might start scoring goals again very soon
jred

05 Oct 2012 08:05:51
B Dortmund and the M City match has shown that if David Silva and Yaya Toure are kept under a tight leash than City can be susceptible. Dortmund played a fantastic game and it was sheer pace of their attack and tackles that made City look very ordinary and if it hadn't been for Hart's exceptional keeping City would have been badly humiliated.

I watched the match twice to see the tactics of Jurgen Klopp, he just kept it basically simple and direct, "give no time and space for Yaya and Silva on the ball". In the entire match Yaya just entered the Dortmund box only for the set pieces rest of the time he was pinned in his own half. In the entire match he was not allowed to move forward more than 4 strides, he had players charging at him the moment he received the ball and was forced to pass back or sideways and hence had no contribution in forward movement. Gotze knocked him of the ball and onto the ground three times so did the other midfielder. The Dortmund players bullied and bossed over Yaya in his own half.

Silva did slightly better with his ball control but he too was hustled by two players when in and around the Dortmund box and was mostly confined to his own half to get the ball up, he was given only four opportunities to enter the opposition box and that too they crowded him out in no time. City without the influence of Yaya and Silva are never effective and that's was the plan played to perfection, "cut the life line (supply) and bleed them dry".

I think our payers must be made to watch this match so that they learn how to put a tight leash on players like Yaya, Dembele or even Fellaini. Lewandowski too got the better of Kompany with ease on a number of occasions; he has the strength, control and the speed to pass any quality central defender, the likes of Kompany. Gotze was phenomenal in his movement on and off the ball, for once Clichy was made to look like Evra, the way he got around and beyond him. B Dortmund have real quality and intelligent players in all position and could give any team a run for their money. I doubt they miss Kagawa who had been their key player for two seasons.

Their goalkeeper is world class, so too Hummels, Subotic, Gotze, Piszczek, Reus, Blaszczykowski Schmelzer and Lewandowski. Even Gundogan is not far off and his long range stinger that Hart managed to tip over was just too good. I sure Jürgen Klopp should be given a lot of credit for the fantastic play and tactics of B Dortmund. Manchester United would surely benefit with his expertise. Am I dreaming ?

No-name, good post.
Without a doubt Dortmund are a very good team. Their best attribute is their youth, because it gives them drive and passion.
For me, Giggs, Carrick, Rio, Evra, Scholes, etc have done it all so they are not as hungry, and even if they were, they do not have the legs for it.
We really have to tip our hat to Mislintat, the BD head scout, if it is him along with Kloop in bringing (and losing) through so many fantastic players.
Their willingness to play at such a tempo and work so hard as team-mates is a credit to Klopp.
Could you imagine Klopp putting up with Evra? he would have been sold 2 years ago. I look at us compared to BVB and the only way I can describe us is 'stale'.
From the players to the coaching staff we need something new and fresh.

----------------DDG---------------
Rafael -- Hummels--Smalling--Buttner
---------------M'Vila---------------
---------Goetze------Powell--------
-----Rooney------------Kagawa----
---------------RVP----------------

Or, if it's SAF's plan to introduce youth within the next 2 years.

------------------DDG------------------
Rafael----M.Keane---Smalling----Buttner
---------------Tunnicliffe--------------------------Powell------Cleverly----------
-----Rooney-----------------Kagawa----
---------------Henriquez----------------

J Bones.

J Bones

Very much true, without youth we lack speed and our tactics are surely outdated and could do with a change at the coaching level.